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Wednesday, March 08, 2006
  The Second Attack On IDRF

Posted by: Amber G. Sep 6 2003, 01:40 PM

There is an article in sulekha (www.sulekha.com) by Dr. Rao. http://www.sulekha.com/column.asp?cid=305867 worth a read. Let us compile here, related news and possible next steps from well wishers of IDRF.

Posted by: acharya Sep 6 2003, 02:00 PM

From the sulekha article-

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During the last nine months, a number of new initiatives have been conceived in response to the challenge of Hindu nationalism both in India and here. These initiatives are inspiring in that they explore new spaces in which resistance can be situated, in institutions of higher learning, in work places, in non profits, in civic institutions and in state institutions and in households.
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thumbsdownsmileyanim.gifg We at the Campaign To Stop Funding Hate take strength from the fact that a group of 320 faculty members in American universities have not only endorsed the campaign wholeheartedly but are actively working on critical educational projects related to South Asia.
not a good sign mad.gif
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Similarly, a group of developmental organizations are working towards sharing resources and ideas to generate a critique of Hindutva from the standpoint of non-sectarian development. Besides these, India based secular groups are on the verge of publishing a hard copy of the Foreign Exchange of Hate report in India. We welcome these initiatives and hope to see them multiply. We will share with you more news as we get to know more about them, and offer suggestions on how you can contribute towards them.

Posted by: acharya Sep 6 2003, 02:10 PM

Mathew and his supporters assert that, “Such questions do not originate in the media but come from the larger society. Our response was to argue that legal exactitude and formal equidistance from all religions were misleading ideals that overlooked fundamentally unequal power relations.

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Hindutva is backed by the state in India and it is a self consciously nationalist project unlike Christian evangelism and Islamic fundamentalism.”
So what they are looking at Hindutva is a political movement which is disproportionatly bigger than other religious denomination.

Posted by: acharya Sep 6 2003, 02:12 PM

thumbsdownsmileyanim.gifg mad.gif Sabrang gang say - They say that maintaining equidistance from all religions and legal exactitude is not relevant. So, Hindus as the majority in India deserve to be targeted and distanced, and the Hindu minority in the US needs to be distanced and demonized because they are part of the majority in India? This is a dangerous trend

Posted by: Viren Sep 6 2003, 02:33 PM

n3.gif's link: http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/sabrang_faq_meets_reality.html

Posted by: Amber G. Sep 6 2003, 06:45 PM

This is from the e-mail making rounds from the Sabrangi cabal. Please do read the discussion in sulekha (the link given in the first message).

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From: Campaign To Stop Funding Hate August 6, 2003 Dear Friends, Thank you for the large number of emails not only supporting the idea of the monthly newsletter, but also offering help. Being a small group of volunteers, we can always use your help, and as and when we need it, we will certainly call upon those of you who have offered to help. The monthly update of the Campaign To Stop Funding Hate (CSFH) will be mailed to you in the first week of every month. Its purpose is to keep you informed of the developments in the campaign and to seek inputs from you. Nine months after the campaign began today, we are poised to move in several different directions. Constraints of time and other resources force difficult choices on us. Saffron Dollar # 1 aims to bring you up to date on: 1. Hindutva response to CSFH 2. Corporate response to CSFH 3. Media response to CSFH 4. New directions 1. Hindutva response to CSFH: IDRF, exposed by the CSFH as a funding conduit for the Sangh Parivar in India, has been unable to refute the charge. But true to the Sangh Parivar design, within the first few days, http://www.hinduunity.org, the virtual Bajrang Dal of the US, known for its admiration of Nathuram Godse, Gandhiji's assassin, mounted a picture of one of the campaigners and the addresses of other members on its black list. Supporters of Hindutva sent hundreds of hate-filled emails to individuals who were seen to be active in the campaign. Attempts were made to harass supporters of the campaign through their employers. Closely following on these intimidating tactics, the Sangh Parivar set up a counter campaign http://www.letindiadevelop.org displaying a picture of Gandhiji and launching a counter signature campaign. (It is only in the twisted imagination of Hindutva that it is possible to appropriate Gandhiji to serve Godse's vision!) Several weeks later, Hindutva began to mobilize academics and analysts of dubious standing to refute our contentions. While most of them concentrated on labeling the campaign as anti-Hindu, communist, anti-India, pro-Muslim and anti-US, Ashok Chowgule, a spokesman for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad who authored one of the refutations, candidly admitted that IDRF is part of the Sangh Parivar. He went on to argue that there is nothing wrong with being part of the Sangh Parivar. In a private correspondence with a correspondent, he went so far as to say that the distinction between IDRF and the Sangh Parivar is merely legal. He devoted two entire chapters, one each to portray Biju Mathew and Sabrang Communications as anti Hindu. The latest refutation released in India last month several weeks after being first released in the US, picks on one inadvertent error in the Foreign Exchange of Hate Report, and asserts that IDRF supports poor people in India. In addition to direct and indirect threats of physical violence from various Sangh quarters, office bearers of the IDRF, in concert with different Sangh Parivar organizations, have attempted to intimidate the publishers of the FxH report and members of CSFH with threats of lawsuits both in India and the US. The fourth and the most creative phase of Hindutva appears to be about to unfold now. Late in June, the IDRF website was given a facelift and was inaugurated by the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh Chandrababu Naidu. This is obviously done in the hope that endorsement by a politician who is known to be Information Technology savvy will give IDRF some purchase among Indian IT professionals. 2. Corporations' response to CSFH: The main goal of the campaign is to expose the overseas financing of Hindutva. However, in the process of doing this, we discovered that many American corporations are contributing a sizeable part of the funds generated by Hindutva. These monies come in the form of matching grants to the money donated by Indian employees to IDRF. Thus, some of the campaign's energy was focused on corporate accountability. The campaign contacted over 30 corporations and donation portals, with the evidence provided by the foreign exchange of hate report. Responding to both external media pressure and internal pressure from employees, two IT giants -- Oracle and Cisco -- placed their matching grants to IDRF under suspension. As a supporter of the campaign, you can thank yourself for this well-deserved victory! Our campaign with corporations and donation portals mainly focuses on the fact that their giving policy requires their grantees to be secular and non-sectarian, a criterion which IDRF, through its association with the RSS, does not meet. 3. Media response to CSFH: Over the months, we have noticed three distinct approaches by the media towards the campaign each driven by an ideological disposition. 1. Positive and critical support came from the progressive and secular minded sections of the media. 2. A very small negative and critical coverage by Hindutva supporters. 3. But a third type of response was supportive of our concern for secularism but critical of our stance towards Hindutva. This last response came from a variety of sources, some concerns about India's national image being sullied in the US, some concerns over offending what was thought to be Hindu sensibilities, and some genuine concern that the campaign was silent on other religious fundamentalisms and the role of money in general in religious propagation. Some of the questions raised from these quarters were: 1. Is there water tight legal evidence that links IDRF funds to violence in India? 2. What is wrong with Hindus raising their own funds? 3. Why doesn't the campaign investigate Christian and Islamic organizations and their fund raising activities? Such questions do not originate in the media but come from the larger society. Our response was to argue that legal exactitude and formal equidistance from all religions were misleading ideals that overlooked fundamentally unequal power relations. Hindutva is backed by the state in India and it is a self consciously nationalist project unlike Christian evangelism and Islamic fundamentalism. For a detailed campaign statement on this issue read http://stopfundinghate.org/actions/press/030403.htm. 1. New Directions: During the last nine months, a number of new initiatives have been conceived in response to the challenge of Hindu nationalism both in India and here. These initiatives are inspiring in that they explore new spaces in which resistance can be situated, in institutions of higher learning, in work places, in non profits, in civic institutions and in state institutions and in households. We at the Campaign To Stop Funding Hate take strength from the fact that a group of 320 faculty members in American universities have not only endorsed the campaign wholeheartedly but are actively working on critical educational projects related to South Asia. Similarly, a group of developmental organizations are working towards sharing resources and ideas to generate a critique of Hindutva from the standpoint of non-sectarian development. Besides these, India based secular groups are on the verge of publishing a hard copy of the Foreign Exchange of Hate report in India. We welcome these initiatives and hope to see them multiply. We will share with you more news as we get to know more about them, and offer suggestions on how you can contribute towards them.

Posted by: Viren Sep 7 2003, 02:34 PM

Will somebody/anybody please call n3.gif here if they have his personal email. We can benefit from his expertise on this topic. I hope this thread has a take away for members in terms of what/how/when to be done in countering this malacious propoganda.

Posted by: Amber G. Sep 7 2003, 03:03 PM

I have sent Narayanan a e-mail. He prob. is very busy paticipating in Sulekha. The user comments are sure worth a read.

Posted by: AJay Sep 8 2003, 01:23 PM

QUOTE(acharya @ Sep 7 2003, 02:30 AM)
During the last nine months, a number ..
Acharya I hope you are quoting from some other article and these are not your views. Please clarify.

Posted by: detroit_desiji Sep 9 2003, 02:40 PM

For anyone interested, IDRF thread archive: http://djdetroitdesi.50megs.com/idrf

Posted by: acharya Sep 9 2003, 04:24 PM

QUOTE(AJay @ Sep 8 2003, 08:23 AM)
QUOTE(acharya @ Sep 7 2003, 02:30 AM)
During the last nine months, a number ..
Acharya I hope you are quoting from some other article and these are not your views. Please clarify.
It is from the sulekha article. nothin different

Posted by: AJay Sep 11 2003, 08:39 AM

QUOTE(acharya @ Sep 10 2003, 04:54 AM)
QUOTE(AJay @ Sep 8 2003, 08:23 AM)
QUOTE(acharya @ Sep 7 2003, 02:30 AM)
During the last nine months, a number ..
Acharya I hope you are quoting from some other article and these are not your views. Please clarify.
It is from the sulekha article. nothin different
Acharya I have gone through that particular article Sulekha web site. The portions you have quoted are from a letter from the Sabrang gang as quoted in the article. The article itself, which is written by Ramesh Rao actually goes to a great length in deconstructing and refuting what this letter from Sabiju gang says. I think it is a good idea if you preface your previous post to saying that these are lies from Sabrang gang (I am convinced - after reading several posts of yours on BRF and here - that that is your intention of posting the quote from that letter as quoted in that article). Otherwise, your post reads as if you are supporting the Sabranig view and asking people on this forum to help the Sabrangis to bring out the hardcopy report of their FXH report.

Posted by: acharya Sep 11 2003, 10:59 AM

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I think it is a good idea if you preface your previous post to saying that these are lies from Sabrang gang
I was a little lazy

Posted by: shyam Sep 15 2003, 10:34 AM

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/6775637.htm Posted on Mon, Sep. 15, 2003 Clinton set for event on India unrest By Matthai Chakko Kuruvila Mercury News Former President Clinton will headline a charity fundraiser tonight in San Francisco in an effort to combat the ongoing sectarian violence in India -- a contentious issue that has divided Silicon Valley Indo-Americans. The event signals a dramatic shift on the part of the charity, Milpitas-based American India Foundation, which until now has stayed out of the debate over the rise of Hindu nationalist and Islamist beliefs on the subcontinent. Perhaps nowhere outside India has that discussion been more tempestuous than in Silicon Valley, where wealthy, tech-fluent Indo-Americans can connect to their homeland through the Internet and travel. Local mosques, Hindu temples and other gathering places have been the source of fundraisers, forums and national conventions about ending the most recent violence, which began 19 months ago when ethnic tensions exploded in Gujarat, India, resulting in thousands of deaths. Even the valley's most prominent tech companies have been thrown into the fray, after allegations that their charitable contributions to a Maryland-based Indian foundation supported Hindu nationalist activities in India. Trying to navigate the turmoil, the American India Foundation hopes today's benefit will demonstrate its inclusiveness of all Indo-American interests. Organizers say Clinton's speech about ``social development and communal harmony to preserve the secular fabric of India'' will not blame either side. But the event may do little to quell the political divide. ``There's always pressure -- we're finding out,'' said Lata Krishnan, a Fremont resident who is the foundation's president. ``It's always difficult to please everybody.'' Clinton's first fundraiser with the foundation two years ago is, in part, why both factions are critical of the charity's new $2,500-a-person private event at the home of Gordon Getty. No one questions the legitimacy of the 2001 fundraiser, which helped raise $5 million to help the tens of thousands of victims of a magnitude-7.7 earthquake in Gujarat. But Indian Muslims wonder why the foundation didn't organize a fundraiser a year later for another Gujarat disaster, when Hindu mobs killed more than 2,000 people, mostly Muslims. Tens of thousands fled their homes. The Hindu nationalist government was implicated as having played a role. Manzoor Ghori, president of the Palo Alto-based Indian Muslim Relief Committee, said he repeatedly tried to organize an event with the foundation. But he says he was always turned down. The message, he said, was clear: ``They were not ready to work with other minority groups, other secular groups,'' said Ghori, a Palo Alto resident. ``If their goal is to help people in distress, why can't they do anything when, in the same area, thousands of people get killed.'' Krishnan said the foundation declined the offer because it was still trying to formulate its mission. Krishnan said the foundation gave $50,000 to help relief efforts after the Gujarat riots. Hindu nationalists are upset with the foundation over a donation after the Gujarat riots. They say the group gave $25,000 to an event organized by EKTA and the Coalition Against Communalism, both of which explicitly condemn the Hindu nationalist government in India. ``If the American India Foundation sought to remain above controversy, they shouldn't have collaborated with these groups,'' said Mihir Meghani, a Fremont resident who is a member of the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh and who served on the governing council of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America, two key groups in the Hindu nationalist family. Meghani and other Hindu nationalists also point to the 2001 Clinton fundraiser in San Jose and say the foundation disrespected India and Indians by having the event at the evangelical Jubilee Christian Center, which talks of converting India's non-Christian followers on its Web site. Referencing the pantheistic Hindu faith, which represents about 81 percent of India, Jubilee's Web site says: ``In the land of a million gods, multitudes live in confusion and spiritual bondage with no knowledge of God's goodness.'' Jubilee claims to have converted nearly a million Indians, including 800,000 in Hyderabad, a city with a rich Muslim heritage. ``It's a pattern of these things,'' Meghani said. The ``American India Foundation is either not aware of the people they're involved with or they are not being upfront about it.'' ------------- Contact Matthai Chakko Kuruvila at mkuruvila@ mercurynews.com or (408) 920-2722. mad.gif

Posted by: O Vijay Sep 25 2003, 01:06 PM

Anybody see Gen. n3.gif?

Posted by: Amber G. Sep 26 2003, 07:45 PM

Vijay .. well ..From an e-mail ... >>>> Mildly edited e-mail follows >>>>> Yes, that Sulekha thread is a good place to post some things. As far as action items, well... what I would like to do next is to fill out the info in this document: http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/critlook_2.html If we can calmly collect the links, we can publish that on the web as a complete "Report" doing to the commie-pakis what they tried to do to IDRF. I have not had time to revisit that document for a long time (tough times at work) but a lot of interesting things have happened - like L-e-T arrests, Islamic "charities" convictions, etc. etc. This document will not find open participation from some co-authors on the "rebuttal report" because the contents and intentions are too harsh for their gentle tastes. Anyway ...young faculty members, who have a tough time surviving in the liberal arts fields already, with all the hostility from the commie-pakis .... .... I think there is enough evidence to make a case for openly calling these people agents of Pakistani terrorism - as well as commie terrorist supporters. Need to generate a professional-looking report, naming names very carefully and with solid evidence - and circulate it. Give them something to really worry about. Anyway, this is the action item needed. Help is welcome. If someone can take sections out of the attached document, put them in Word, and fill in as many new items as possible (length no bar on the internet) we can get moving again. >>>>>> So guys .. how about some help?

Posted by: O Vijay Sep 30 2003, 08:22 AM

Amber G, contact me at o_vijay at yahoo.com, I would like to help out any way possible.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 5 2003, 06:54 PM

This is United Way season There is a form called Donor Option Write-in, which is available at the HR office Please get it and do a write in for IDRF that way, your United way money goes to IDRF In addition, IDRF offers a no-fee Platinum mastercard through IDRF Please get rid off all your other credit cards and make all your purchases through this card MBNA gives 1% of all your purchases to IDRF

Posted by: Kaushal Oct 30 2003, 07:24 AM

This may not be the most appropriate thread for this IDRF Essay Writing Contest Proudly Presents 2nd Annual Essay Writing Contest (For all age groups) Category Essay Topic College/Others: India-US relationship in 21st Century (Max 2000 words) High School: My role in India's development (Max 1500 words) Middle School: My Trip to India (Max 1000 words) Elementary School: Indian Personality I admire (Max 500 words) Participation Fee: NONE!!! An “IDRF Writer of the Year” will be selected in each category. (Cash, Trophies, Gifts, Merchandise worth more $1000 to winners and Certificates to all participants) Last Date for Submission: Dec. 31st , 2003 All essays will be evaluated by independent group of experts and will be posted on IDRF's website. For further details, rules, guidelines and participation, please check out http://www.idrf.org, email essay@i... or call us at (978) 807-1864. --------------------------------- IDRF is a 501©(3) tax-exempt non-profit organization supporting grass-root level non-governmental organizations (NGOs) in India working in the areas of Education, Healthcare, Childcare, Women Empowerment and Tribal Welfare. IDRF is an entirely volunteer-based charity with no administrative overhead. IDRF disburses 100% of your donation to the needy and disadvantaged people. Visit http://www.idrf.org for more details. K: Made some formatting cleanup - Viren

Posted by: Mudy Jan 4 2004, 12:14 AM

up...

Posted by: rajesh_g Feb 1 2004, 12:21 AM

http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=326090 Bangalore NGOs hog lion’s share of foreign funds A Home Ministry official says most of the NGOs who utilised the funds have not been able to make a difference to the lives of those for whom the funds are meant. By NINA BENJAMIN DH News Service, BANGALORE As many 618 Banglore-based Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) received a whopping Rs 362.2 crore funds from foreign agencies during 2001-02, according to the Union Home Ministry’s latest annual Foreign Inward Remittance Report. Among the cities in India, Bangalore tops the list of recipients, followed by Chennai with Rs 313.6 crore and Mumbai with Rs 298 crore. Christian organisations are the largest beneficiaries of this foreign funding. As many as 1,192 NGOs in Karnataka, registered under the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act-1976 (FCRA), received Rs 534 crore from foreign funding agencies during 2001-02 while the tally for the previous year was Rs 486 crore. Of this amount, Christian NGOs alone received Rs 471 crores. The Protestant groups received Rs 288 crores and Catholics Rs 183 crore. Hindus, Muslims and others together got only Rs 63 crores. According to the Home Ministry sources in New Delhi, the following NGOs are some of the major beneficiaries of foreign funding in Bangalore during 2001-02: Church’s Concern for Child and Youth Care (CCCYC) Rs 30 crore, Campus Crusade for Christ Rs 24 crore., Mysore Resettlement and Develoment Agency (MYRADA) Rs 17.5 crore., Indian Society of Church of Christ Rs 14.5 crore., Habitat for Humanity in India Rs 5.7 crore, Christian Church in India Rs 4.5 crore, Bridge Foundation Rs 4.5 crore, Karnataka Jesuit Education Rs 4.2 crore, and Veda Vigyan Vidya Pita Rs 4 crore. Others included: Outreach Rs 3.8 crore., Samuha Rs 3.7 crore, Humanistic Inst Rs 3.6 crore, Biblical Baptist Institutions Incorp Rs 3.5 crore, and Bangalore Rural Education and Development Society Rs 3 crore. While Helping Hand Welfare Society of the Seventh Day Adventists received Rs 2.8 crore, Precious Blood Ministries, Partners in Child Development and “Search” received Rs 2.5 crore each. SAIACS, Stewards Association and Southern Asia Bible College got Rs 2 crore each. ACTS Ministries, Oasis India and Eternal Ministries received Rs 1.65 crore, Rs 1.5 crore and Rs 1.3 crore respectively. South India Baptist College, Ceylon and India General Mission and India Mission Association received Rs 1.25 crore each. TAKING THE CAKE States Delhi Rs 794.4 crore Tamil Nadu Rs 695.5 crore AP Rs 559.6 crore Karnataka Rs 534.0 crore Cities Bangalore Rs 362.2 crore Chennai Rs 313.6 crore Mumbai Rs 298.0 crore

Posted by: Harshavardhan Feb 28 2004, 08:25 AM

Hi, Recently, another damning, fully-researched, not-at-all crap report has been authoritatively published by leading 'South Asian' activists, showing, with acute factuality, that Indian charity organizations do, in fact, fund hate in India. Sound familiar? Check out http://www.awaazsaw.org/ibf/index.htm These impartial intellectuals even use some of the same choise phrases from that 'other' report, verbatim. In 'fact', the "Awaaz – South Asia Watch would also like to acknowledge the insights of the report The Foreign Exchange of Hate researched by groups in the US." Needless to say, our South Asian-AmeriKKKan comrades are going positively orgasmic over the news: http://www.stopfundinghate.org Is this something we can counter, and how do we go about doing it? I suggest we can use this thread in a similar way as the olde BR social-politicale forume: to collect information about the political motivations and associations of the accusing parties, and to discuss the substance and worth of the claims made. For reference, here is the BR IDRF thread archive. (Just click on "threads"): http://djdetroitdesi.50megs.com/IDRF/ Peace, Harsh

Posted by: Viren Mar 3 2004, 08:56 AM

Posted by k.ram in another thread: The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate - Press Release Date/Time: March 01 2004 The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate (CSFH) thanks the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) for its statement of February 27th, 2004 clarifying that the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) is indeed a "Hindu organization", closely related to the Sangh Parivar. That has been our claim all along. In contrast to the current RSS statement, the IDRF continues to mislead the public by claiming to be a secular, broad based organization funding "development" and "relief" programs in India. It is nothing more than a US fundraising front for RSS groups in India. Just as the Foreign Exchange of Hate (FxH) report published by Sabrang in November 2002 showed that IDRF was RSS' s funding arm in the US, so also the recently released British Report by Awaaz South Asia Watch (www.awaazsaw.org) shows a comprehensive connection between Sewa International UK (SIUK), HSS and the RSS. Just as the IDRF did in November 2002, SIUK and HSS have over the last two days claimed that they have no connection with the RSS. Mere assertion, however, proves nothing. If the RSS/IDRF wishes to refute the core findings of the FxH report it must do so with evidence. The meticulously detailed FxH report's (www.stopfundinghate.org/) main findings are: * Over 80% of the funds available to IDRF for disbursal between the years 1992 and 2000 were distributed to organizations which form part of the Sangh Parivar. The close links between IDRF and RSS were not acknowledged during that period and have yet to be fully acknowledged by IDRF. * IDRF is misleading the public by claiming to raise money for development and relief projects. Many of the charities extensively funded by the IDRF are heavily engaged in promotion of Hindutva. For example, Sewa Bharati MP, which received $77,050 from IDRF in the year 2001 [1] writes in its report to IDRF, dated 11/03/2001 [2]: To cultivate faith in our religion in the minds of Tribals Sewa Bharati has picked up 23 Tribal youths and 4 tribal girls, they were sent to Ayodhya to undergo training in "Shri RamKatha Pravachan" (Discourses of Ramayan). This training lasted 8 months under the guidance of special Saints and Mahatmas. Now "Anubhav Varga" has been formed at Jashpur Nagar, from where groups of two will visit 5 days in each five villages. They will live in the villages and propagate "RamKatha". IDRF is directly implicated in violence against minorities because of its long and continuing support of the various Vanvasi Kalyan Ashrams. The FxH report highlighted the case of Swami Aseemanand, of Vanvasi Kalyan Parishad, Gujarat, who was instrumental in creating the atmosphere of terror and fear amongst the Christian communities in the Dangs in 1998, 1999, where he conducted forcible conversions of Christians, and also organized large-scale rallies on Christian religious days. After the Gujarat carnage of 2002, the Swami has resurfaced in the Dangs again, as the head of the Mata Shabari Sewa Samiti and is reportedly holding Ram Kathas which are accompanied by extensive anti-Christian pamphleteering by the VHP, and have been attended by Narendra Modi and his cabinet minister, Karsan Patel, amongst others [3]. The IDRF has yet to explain its relation to Vanvasi Kalyan Parishad which is listed as "IDRF supported project in Gujarat" and is part of the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram family, which received $63,205 from IDRF in 2001 [4]. If the RSS/IDRF wishes to refute the above findings, they will have to place before the public evidence that contradicts the main findings of the FxH report. Instead of directly challenging any of the claims of the FxH report, IDRF/ RSS have been content to question the motivations of the authors of the report, and label it as "malicious propaganda." This pattern is again evident in the RSS response to the UK group Awaaz-South Asia Watch's report on Sewa International UK and its ties with the RSS. Each time the practices of RSS and its front organizations are brought into focus, RSS tries to shift the focus from the claims and contentions, onto the people challenging the RSS and their motivations. We welcome the media to check our credentials—the CSFH collective consists of professionals and academicians from the Indian diaspora, belonging to different religious faiths and political persuasions, who have a long history of being actively involved in many struggles for social and economic justice. However, we feel that the interests of the public are better served if the focus remains on the data presented in the report, and an examination of its conclusions, rather than the credentials of the authors and supporters. ---------------------------------------- [1] Form 990, Return of Organization Exempt from Tax, 2001 filed by IDRF, available at www.guidestar.org [2] Letter from Vishnu Kumar, Kshetra Sewa Pramukh, Sewa Bharati dated 11/03/2001 http://www.idrf.org/appeals/GujEQ/docs/mp_report.html [3] Gujarat mantri threatens Dangs Christians, by Deepal Trivedie, Oct 23, 2002 available at http://www.sabrang.com/gujarat/23oct02.htm , Dangs' tribals get a dose of Modi's Hindutva by Tanushree Chakraborty, Indian Express, Oct 23, 2002 http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=11842 and VHP pamphleteering worries Christians in Dangs, by Manas Dasgupta, The Hindu, Oct 25, 2003 http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/10...002102506051100 .htm [4] Form 990, Return of Organization Exempt from Tax, 2001 filed by IDRF, available at www.guidestar.org

Posted by: Viren Mar 4 2004, 03:58 PM

http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/sabrang_faq_meets_reality.html

Posted by: Mudy Mar 4 2004, 06:37 PM

thalapathi, Check these sites to get true and complete information on Dr. Biju the great traitor of India. http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/attack_on_idrf_by_mathew.html http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/biju_mathew.html http://mumbai.indymedia.org/en/2003/01/2845.shtml

Posted by: thalapathi Mar 4 2004, 08:26 PM

Mudy, Thanks. Am already aware of some of it. But some help is needed to condense all the information there and make it in about 10-15 bullet points backed with references ( probably in those websites) so that it can be passed onto people who would otherwise not have the time or interest. If someone familiar with the whole storycould make such a presentation it would be very useful. I would love to do it myself but I am not fully familiar with the situation and do not have the time right now.

Posted by: acharya Mar 8 2004, 03:04 PM

With the Indian election coming they are trying to whip up anti-India sentiments. --- The Campaign To Stop Funding Hate's latest press release follows MORE LIES. ----------- http://stopfundinghate.org/resources/news/030104SFHPressRelease.htm The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate P.O. Box 20136 Stanford CA 94309 Press Release Date/Time: March 01 2004 The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate (CSFH) thanks the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) for its statement of February 27th, 2004 clarifying that the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) is indeed a "Hindu organization", closely related to the Sangh Parivar. That has been our claim all along. In contrast to the current RSS statement, the IDRF continues to mislead the public by claiming to be a secular, broad based organization funding "development" and "relief" programs in India. It is nothing more than a US fundraising front for RSS groups in India. Just as the Foreign Exchange of Hate (FxH) report published by Sabrang in November 2002 showed that IDRF was RSS' s funding arm in the US, so also the recently released British Report by Awaaz South Asia Watch (www.awaazsaw.org) shows a comprehensive connection between Sewa International UK (SIUK), HSS and the RSS. Just as the IDRF did in November 2002, SIUK and HSS have over the last two days claimed that they have no connection with the RSS. Mere assertion, however, proves nothing. If the RSS/IDRF wishes to refute the core findings of the FxH report it must do so with evidence. The meticulously detailed FxH report's (www.stopfundinghate.org/) main findings are: * Over 80% of the funds available to IDRF for disbursal between the years 1992 and 2000 were distributed to organizations which form part of the Sangh Parivar. The close links between IDRF and RSS were not acknowledged during that period and have yet to be fully acknowledged by IDRF. * IDRF is misleading the public by claiming to raise money for development and relief projects. Many of the charities extensively funded by the IDRF are heavily engaged in promotion of Hindutva. For example, Sewa Bharati MP, which received $77,050 from IDRF in the year 2001 [1] writes in its report to IDRF, dated 11/03/2001 [2]: To cultivate faith in our religion in the minds of Tribals Sewa Bharati has picked up 23 Tribal youths and 4 tribal girls, they were sent to Ayodhya to undergo training in "Shri RamKatha Pravachan" (Discourses of Ramayan). This training lasted 8 months under the guidance of special Saints and Mahatmas. Now "Anubhav Varga" has been formed at Jashpur Nagar, from where groups of two will visit 5 days in each five villages. They will live in the villages and propagate "RamKatha". IDRF is directly implicated in violence against minorities because of its long and continuing support of the various Vanvasi Kalyan Ashrams. The FxH report highlighted the case of Swami Aseemanand, of Vanvasi Kalyan Parishad, Gujarat, who was instrumental in creating the atmosphere of terror and fear amongst the Christian communities in the Dangs in 1998, 1999, where he conducted forcible conversions of Christians, and also organized large-scale rallies on Christian religious days. After the Gujarat carnage of 2002, the Swami has resurfaced in the Dangs again, as the head of the Mata Shabari Sewa Samiti and is reportedly holding Ram Kathas which are accompanied by extensive anti-Christian pamphleteering by the VHP, and have been attended by Narendra Modi and his cabinet minister, Karsan Patel, amongst others [3]. The IDRF has yet to explain its relation to Vanvasi Kalyan Parishad which is listed as "IDRF supported project in Gujarat" and is part of the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram family, which received $63,205 from IDRF in 2001 [4]. If the RSS/IDRF wishes to refute the above findings, they will have to place before the public evidence that contradicts the main findings of the FxH report. Instead of directly challenging any of the claims of the FxH report, IDRF/RSS have been content to question the motivations of the authors of the report, and label it as "malicious propaganda." This pattern is again evident in the RSS response to the UK group Awaaz-South Asia Watch's report on Sewa International UK and its ties with the RSS. Each time the practices of RSS and its front organizations are brought into focus, RSS tries to shift the focus from the claims and contentions, onto the people challenging the RSS and their motivations. We welcome the media to check our credentials - the CSFH collective consists of professionals and academicians from the Indian diaspora, belonging to different religious faiths and political persuasions, who have a long history of being actively involved in many struggles for social and economic justice. However, we feel that the interests of the public are better served if the focus remains on the data presented in the report, and an examination of its conclusions, rather than the credentials of the authors and supporters. [1] Form 990, Return of Organization Exempt from Tax, 2001 filed by IDRF, available at www.guidestar.org [2] Letter from Vishnu Kumar, Kshetra Sewa Pramukh, Sewa Bharati dated 11/03/2001 http://www.idrf.org/appeals/GujEQ/docs/mp_report.html [3] Gujarat mantri threatens Dangs Christians, by Deepal Trivedie, Oct 23, 2002 available at http://www.sabrang.com/gujarat/23oct02.htm, Dangs' tribals get a dose of Modi's Hindutva by Tanushree Chakraborty, Indian Express, Oct 23, 2002 http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=11842 and VHP pamphleteering worries Christians in Dangs, by Manas Dasgupta, The Hindu, Oct 25, 2003 http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/10/25/stories/2002102506051100.htm [4] Form 990, Return of Organization Exempt from Tax, 2001 filed by IDRF, available at www.guidestar.org

Posted by: manju Mar 8 2004, 04:51 PM

Request for those posting. Can you please make a few comments when you post an article or reference an article. It could be just a phrase.... for e.g for the last post on this thread... The commies continue lying or something like that. That way, the reader will have some perspective. This is espcially for the benefit of new commers. Most of the article are authored by those whose views are not appreicated or opposed by many of us here on the forum. If we just post an article here without comments it may appear that the poster is in agreement with the author of the article.

Posted by: Viren Mar 15 2004, 04:15 PM

Not sure if this is the right thread - may deserve a thread on it own. http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20040301&fname=awaaz&sid=1

Posted by: Mudy Mar 30 2004, 06:11 PM

Meet John Prabhudoss, who is organizing anti Hindu COngressional hearning on 31st March, he is also against IDRF and funds to Hindu temples. http://www.pifras.org/Sheikh_Rabiah_Mohmed_Al_Habib4.JPG http://www.pifras.org/Reports_Articles/2nd_trip_to_Iraq/Hussein_Al_Sadr/Hussein_Al_Sadr_and_John_2.jpg

Posted by: k.ram Apr 17 2004, 07:27 PM

'Hinduness' with vengeance: Schools offer Indians way out of poverty, lessons in religious bias Jehangir Pocha, Chronicle Foreign Service Friday, April 16, 2004 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/04/16/MNGFV6530M1.DTL Gonasika, India -- The students singing a timeless Hindu hymn in this remote tribal village have no idea that they are pawns in a political experiment driven by ancient Indian hatreds and funded by donated U.S. dollars. To pupils and parents, most of whom are "tribals," or aboriginal peoples, the school is a ray of hope in a life of desperate poverty. "My family sent me here because they couldn't afford me," said Dyneswar Juang, a seventh-grader. "Here I get everything for free. I have a future." But human rights organizations in the eastern state of Orissa say the school and others like it are political tools in the hands of India's foremost Hindu nationalist organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). In the past several years, the RSS and its allies, collectively called the Sangh Parivar, have built a network of more than 30,000 Hindu religious schools, called shishu mandirs or "temples of learning." Most are located in remote tribal regions where government schools are few. Using the promise of free education and housing, the shishu mandirs have enrolled more than 5 million impoverished youths, including many orphans. In class, students are "subtly indoctrinated into the RSS Hindutva ideology," said Sudarshan Das, president of Agami Orissa, an umbrella organization of nongovernmental organizations working with tribal peoples. Hindutva, or "Hinduness" is a nationalist ideology that asserts history, science, politics, economics and other subjects should be viewed from a Hindu perspective. Hindutva proponents say Islam and Christianity have divided India and caused its decline from its glorious past. With India facing Islamic separatists in Kashmir and aggressive proselytizing by evangelical Christians, the RSS believes their sovereignty and identity are under a renewed threat and Hindus should turn secular India into a Hindu state. Subash Chauhan, the Orissa state secretary of a group that runs hundreds of shishu mandirs, concedes the schools' goal is to "make sure the Hindutva mood is created in Orissa." In a recent report, Teesta Setalvad, a civil rights activist, chronicled how the shishu mandirs promote anti-Islamic and anti-Christian sentiment while lionizing the RSS. Students spend hours studying Hindu religion and culture and their history textbooks recount how "Muslim invaders killed our (Hindu) forefathers like flies." Willy D'Costa, national secretary of the Indian Social Action Forum, an organization associated with Christian groups, says the Sangh Parivar also is leveraging the devotional fervor of the students and using them as shock troops in violent anti-Muslim and anti-Christian pogroms. They point to the Hindu-Muslim riots that rocked the western state of Gujarat in March 2002. Witnesses and human rights groups reported that tribal areas where the RSS was most active experienced the worst violence. Paramdara Pillay, a teacher at Juang's school, says his colleagues in Gujarat were "forced to send their students to fight or else they would have lost their jobs and funding for their schools." Significantly, a sizable chunk of funding comes from Indians living in the United States, says Vijay Prashad, director of International Studies at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., and a founder of FOIL, an umbrella organization of Indian leftists. "At least $6 million has been officially raised in the U.S and sent to these schools (by) U.S. branches of Sangh Parivar organizations," said Prashad, who along with several scholars and activists co-authored a report on such funding for South Asia Citizen's Watch, a human rights group based in France. "Often the funds are raised through charitable fronts, (and) donors have no idea where their money is going." In India, fundamentalist religious organizations have long used foreign- funded schools to groom adherents. Saudi-funded Muslim madrassas are fertile recruiting grounds for extremists in Kashmir and elsewhere. And the Sangh Parivar accuses Western-funded Christian evangelists of using schools to lure vulnerable groups into Christianity. But what makes the Sangh Parivar's schools different is the fact that nearly all of the enrolled students are not Hindus, according to Maj. A. Somnath, of the Dalit Solidarity People's Party. "Because they need our votes, they are trying to make us Hindus," Somnath said, referring to tribals and Dalits (untouchables) at the bottom of India's caste system. "It's a kind of social engineering that has very dangerous effects." The debate reflects an age-old social schism that has long haunted Indian politics. About 2,000 years ago, Indian society organized people into a hierarchy of castes based on "ritual purity.'' Brahmins (priests) were followed by Kshatriyas (warriors), Vaisyas (traders), and Sudras (peasants). Tribals and some non-tribal groups, who now call themselves Dalits, were considered too impure to belong to any caste and became untouchables. Excluded from mainstream Hindu life, the untouchables developed their own system of worship. Tribals typically follow animist beliefs, praying to trees and stones while Dalits pray to supernatural forces and Earth goddesses. Since tribal religions have no religious texts or grand places of worship, they are often ignored by other faiths. The Sangh Parivar insists that tribals and Dalits - as well as Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains -- are simply waylaid Hindus. "This is not conversion but assimilation," said Ajay Sahni, executive director of the Institute for Conflict Management in New Delhi." And despite the theological arguments, he says the goal is completely political. Tribals and Dalits make up about 35 percent of India's 1 billion inhabitants. Traditionally, they have joined India's Muslims, who represent just 12 percent of the population, in voting against the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party, a Hindu nationalist party. With new elections on Tuesday, pollsters say the BJP needs tribal and Dalit votes. Das says the shishu mandirs convert tribal students to Hinduism by teaching them to worship Hindu deities, and break tribal affinities with Muslims and Christians by demonizing both communities. Chauhan says the assimilation of tribals into Hinduism is less socially disruptive than their conversion into a foreign religion like Christianity. He says Christian groups have made India a prime target for their proselytizing and that about 2,000 tribals have been converted in recent months. "If Hindus do not unite, we will soon become a minority in our own country," said Chauhan. Though census figures do not support his argument -- India's Hindu population has held steady for decades at about 82 percent -- the Sangh Parivar has been effective at using it to rally tribals. "Yes, we are Hindus," said Lahuri Juang, Gonasika's tribal priest, who minutes later performed an animist sacrifice that involved beheading a chicken and anointing his forehead with its blood. All around Juang, the cracked mud huts and bloated bellies indicated that his village is not on anyone's development map. There is almost no sign of modern life anywhere -- except for an official notice advising residents how to update their voting records on a wall in the community warehouse filled with grain. With elections looming, Das worries that the kind of violence that rocked Gujarat could break out here. In the past year, according to local police, several churches have been torched in the state and at least 30 Hindu- Christian clashes have occurred. Local police, human rights groups and opposition parties have accused Sangh Parivar of complicity in the violence. "The Hindu right does not want any rival religion in India," said Maj. Somnath, the Dalit activist. "They tried to destroy Buddhism all those years ago, now they are doing it to us."

Posted by: narayanan Apr 30 2004, 07:50 PM

Joyous Tidings for "International Scholar" Comrade Dr.Vijay Prashad, Prafool Bidwai, Orundhoti Roy, etc. etc. , plus Kaleem Kawaja of IMC and his buddies the Khalistan terrorists. http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/apr/30us1.htm

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US adds 4 Indian outfits to terror list T V Parasuram in Washington | April 30, 2004 22:32 IST Stepping up its war against terror, the United States has designated as terrorist organisations four more outfits operating in India, including two Naxalite groups and Babbar Khalsa International. The Naxalite groups brought under the terrorist list are the Maoist Communist Centre of India and People's War Group, whose activists are mainly operating in Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar. Besides Babbar Khalsa International, International Sikh Youth Federation has also been added to the Terrorist Exclusion List, the State Department, which released its annual report on Patterns of Global Terrorism, said on Thursday. Being listed as a terrorist group means that the State Department has identified the group as practicing, or it has significant subgroups that practice international terrorism. Members of such outfits, if found in the US, would be deported. The US has already designated as terrorist groups Al-Badr Mujahideen, Harkt-ul-Jihad-e-Islami, Hizbul Mujahideen and Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen, the outfits active in Jammu and Kashmir. The terrorism report also retained Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Tayiba, all active in Jammu and Kashmir, in the list of Foreign Terrorist Organisations. Pakistan-based groups like Hizbul Majahideen and Jaish-e-Mohammed, and other Kashmiri outfits operating in Jammu and Kashmir continued to carry out attacks in the state even as India remained an important US partner in the global war on terror, the report said. "India continues to be the object of attacks by foreign-based and Kashmiri groups operating in Jammu and Kashmir, " said the report. "Nevertheless, " it said, "Indian counter-terrorism authorities could point to significant progress in areas of legislation, finance and investigation." The report said that India remained an important US partner in the global war on terror, and 'the US hopes to continue to strengthen this relationship'. It said the Indian government stepped up its efforts to counter the activities of various groups. "In Jammu and Kashmir, killings of civilians by foreign-based and Kashmiri militant groups continued, including the murder of numerous political leaders and party workers, " the report said.

Posted by: vishal Jun 21 2004, 02:43 PM

Discussion on leftist attack on IDRF http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/column.asp?cid=286920 Comments: http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/columncomments.asp?cid=286920 One of comment : Posted by prana on Jan 23, 2003 Interesting observation about Christianity's evil designs on Hinduism/India some excerpts.. John Vorster (1915-1983)right-wing Nationalist politician, prime minister of the Republic of South Africa “”White man will always rule” he said in The Hindu, Madras, November 18, 1974 *** In India, the Christian Church continues to be controlled by aliens who still feel that the white Christian man has a divine (Christian) mission in India. India is important – very important both to the USA and to the Christian Church. Both must, therefore, somehow win over India to their side. If the Hindus of India did not accept Christianity it was going to prove disastrous both for imperialism now masquerading in the name of democracy and for Christianism which has been parading the world stage wearing a special mask of love and godliness. Will the Hindus Oblige? In the past the Christian Church and her missionaries have used every artifice to decimate Hinduism. They have used force, fraud, deception, coercion and offered material inducements to convert the Hindus of India to Christ. But they failed in their endeavors because Hinduism had an inherent strength to withstand these attacks for which reason it has firmly stood its ground to the great discomfiture of its adversaries. The Hindu does not now live in a fool’s paradise. He has been disillusioned. He has discovered the Christian missionary who pretended for too long to be a friend, and in some cases, a benefactor of Hinduism. The Hindu now knows it to be certain how and in what subtle manner Christianity has been, and is, trying to denigrate, denounce and decimate the Hindu. The Hindu is, as a result, now on his guard. In carrying out operation Christianization of India and Christian Church has been running a great risk the gravity of which Christiandom does not seem to realize at the moment. Religious fanaticism prevents leaders of Christianity to see beyond their nose. They continue to attack Hinduism not realizing that Hinduism is the strongest, and perhaps the only bulwark in the world against atheism. But in doing so the Christian Church and her crusaders continue to sow seeds of an ism which might sweep Christianity clean off the face of the earth. Mahatma Gandhi understood this situation very correctly when he said: “Why should a Christian want to convert a Hindu to Christianity and vice versa? If the morals of a man is a matter of no concern….insistence on a particular form or repetition of a credo may be a potent cause for violent quarrels leading to bloodshed and ending in utter disbelief in Religion i.e. God Himself.” The possibility that the Christian Church might go on sowing the seeds of atheism has since been recognized by several other well meaning people. Arnold Toynbee described people who had given up faith in their ancestral religions but had not accepted in its place Christianity as post Christian Christians. Such people had perhaps been influenced to some extent by Christianity and Christian propaganda but they firmly refused to accept Christ. They fell easy victims to atheism of one or the other sort. Mountstuart Elphinstone thought that “while any attack on their faith (Hinduism), if successful, might be expected in theory, as is found in practice, to shake off their reverence for all religion….” Hon. George Peel fully and frankly recognized the possibility of India becoming a nation of atheists if Christianity succeeded in killing Hinduism in this land of the Rig Veda. He said: “She was dead or sleeping. But the sleeper will wake.” People who have eyes to see below the surface already know that the Hindu has begun to shake himself out of stupor into which he has been forced by compulsion of times. Time is not far off when “the corpse of the Indian body politic will spring to its feet” and with it Hinduism will also come back into its own with a speed and vigor which the Christian Church does not, and possibly cannot, at the moment realize. Will Hinduism ever lay prostrate at the feet of Christ? Will the Hindu ever be conquered by Christian missionary constantly masquerading as his friend? The answer was given by Hon. George Peel himself. He admitted: “Enough to conclude that at no date within the range of present consideration, will Christianity win India as a whole.”He goes a step further and confessed: “if we kill their faith, they may try to kill our faith too. They will have no Metz.” Christianity and Nationalism Why does Christianity want to convert Indians to Christ? If one were to analyze Christainism in depth one would reach the inescapable conclusion that since Christianity is a totalitarian theo-political creed she has joined hands with capitalism to make India a slave once again. As an imperialist religion, Christianity cannot tolerate any other religion, theistic or atheistic, to exist. As a result both the Christian Church and world imperialism have been working together hard to destroy Hindu religion and Hindu nationalism. In a study covering “major forces affecting human developments in India and Pakistan its author, an American, made a significant observation which has direct bearing on the subject. He owned that “colonialism is on the way out, but whenever we appear to be on its side, we strengthen communism by throwing it and nationalism into alliance.” It establishes firmly the charge often laid against the USA that inspite of veiled protestations to the contrary the USA is in truth on the side of colonialism and as such is opposed to nationalism of the people of erstwhile colonies which in the recent past were held in bondage by Christian colonizers. The USA has, therefore, been trying though only covertly to destroy the nationalism of these people. As with the Hindus his nationalism is an article of faith greater than his religion it is not possible to destroy his religion without first destroying his nationalism. The Christian Church has endeavored, therefore, all along to destroy nationalism of the Hindus. India shall not be slave again unless and until both the religion and nationalism of the majority population of India get successfully destroyed. The Christian Church has endeavored to destroy both by converting the Indians to Christianity and “it is not unusual to find Christianity synonymous with denationalization and Europeanization. The Christian Church abhors India’s nationalism and the Christian political states consider nationalism of the people as the greatest hurdle in their way once again to hold colonies. The nationalism of India, China and of Japan, of India in particular, rankles in the heart and eyes of both the Christian capitalism and imperialist Christianity. (source: Christian Conversions and Abuse of Religious Freedom in India – By Brahm Dutt Bharti p. 18-37)

Posted by: Sudhir Jul 9 2004, 09:20 AM

NRIs have to decide whether to contribute or not to the RIs via IRDF or decide if they should worry about bag of rice at local desi store is made in Land of Mice Schidt or not RIs have it so good these days sigh sad.gif Talk about having a cake and eating it too ! Then blame someone for all those freeking calories dry.gif

Posted by: narayanan Jul 10 2004, 04:13 PM

Ah! A shame that particular line of discussion got cut off where it was developing. But - no fear. Let us start with a proper classification, superseding the obsoloscent RI/NRI nonsense. From www.swaveda.com

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first of all, I regard myself as "I" (which stands for myself or "Indian") and resent all this "NR" labels. I would rather be called a Gypsy or Nomadic Indian than a "non-resident". How about a classification of "TI" vs "NTI" (Non-Thinking Indian) or SD vs. NSD (Non-Snooty Desi)? FDs vs NFDs (Non-Fascist Desis), where, in general, SD == NFD == NTI As for this "cultural assimilation" stuff, that hasn't made much sense to me either. Many of the most "cultural" SDs have turned out, in my experience, to be NTIs. ... And then again, there is the NNNNNYNUOGBTSOBOD "Nah-nah-nah-nah-Yaar-no-use-onlee-go-back-to-scratching-one's-behind-onlee-desi" smile.gif
Now that the nomenclature is established, let us discuss above problem. The SD/NTI/NFD does not encounter the grocery story decision issue for the simple reason that s(he) does not GO to the grocery store - sends naukar / chaprasi instead. Then the bavarchi does the cooking, and the SD/NTI/NFD simply eats it, unware of its Land-of-Mice-Schidt origins. Thus s(he) balances out the efforts of the NSD/TI/FD who donates hard-earned money to "IRDF" - by contributing to the wealth of the TSP MiceSchidt Mughal who promptly passes 10% of the profit to the Lashkar-e-Toiba. This indolent life-style of course leads to the high middle-age death rate of SD/NTI/NFD, due to the high calorie count. The one saving feature is that the very high MiceSchidt content of TSP-origin "basmati" leads to frequent diahorrea etc., which is why so many rich SDs also look thin. Q.E.D.

Posted by: Ashok Kumar Jul 10 2004, 05:33 PM

n3.gif, Please check the activities at IISC in the 'Indian Politics -> Monitoring Indian Communists'. The similarity with SABRANG's malicious map-making are amazing. I wonder which replicator these drones get manufactured in?

Posted by: Sudhir Jul 10 2004, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(narayanan @ Jul 11 2004, 04:43 AM)
The SD/NTI/NFD does not encounter the grocery story decision issue for the simple reason that s(he) does not GO to the grocery store - sends naukar / chaprasi instead. Then the bavarchi does the cooking, and the SD/NTI/NFD simply eats it, unware of its Land-of-Mice-Schidt origins.
That's because the SD/NTI/NFD might be too busy making his phriends and phostors in the phavourite phorums C-ing and showing "prakash" onlee tongue.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Jul 16 2004, 09:18 AM

http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=32&page=8

Posted by: narayanan Jul 16 2004, 11:37 AM

OK, that merits full publication: Please find out the email addresses and phone numbers of the morons mentioned there (office-bearers of these idiot organizations) and lets ask them to explain their actions, and go Flush.gif themselves. Enough is enough - these guys are kissing up to the damned Sabrang/FOIL liars too much.

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July 18, 2004 Page: 8/40 http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=32&page=8 Home > 2004 Issues > July 18, 04 IDRF’s Vinod Prakash denied award A sectarian approach From Our Correspondent The Federation of Indian Americans, National Capital Region (FIA-NCR) kicked up a row recently while celebrating the Asian-American Heritage month. In focus yet again is Vinod Prakash of Indian Development Relief Fund (IDRF). The FIA-NCR has in the past recognised and awarded Indian Americans who have excelled in various fields, including social work. According to reports received from Washington, this year around, one of the nominees, Vinod Prakash was denied the award even after formally inviting him to receive the award. An eager Vinod Prakash went to the function with his wife Smt. Sarla Prakash and was duly escorted to a reserved table. After this year’s recipients, Kumar Barve and First Lieutenant Shiby Chacko received their awards, [b[Hari Har Singh, chairperson of the awards committee,[/b] took the podium and announced guiltily that Prakash’s nomination was not approved and hence he would only be recognised on stage. A visibly upset Shri Prakash, while speaking to the India Post termed it as an insult. “They had no reason to call me and treat me like this,” he said, pointing out that an e-mail was sent to him by Hari Har Singh that read as follows: ‘On behalf of the Federation of Indian-American Association, it is my honour to inform you that you have been selected to be the recipient of FIA-NCR Social Service Award, 2004 during the APA Heritage month celebration on Sunday, May 23, 2004 (5:00 to 9:00 p.m.) at the Potomac Community Centre, Potomac, Maryland. You are invited with your spouse to join us in the celebration and receive the award in person.’ Shri Prakash lashed out at Smt. Ann Pillai, president, FIA-NCR, who according to him had spoken to him on the previous day. “Smt. Ann Pillai called me to let me know that she was going to present the FIA-NCR social service award to me at the next day’s function. The phone conversation lasted 35 minutes as she informed me that my selection was controversial. Of course, the cause of controversy was the blind faith in the outrageous attack on IDRF by the report, The Foreign Exchange of Hate: IDRF and the American Funding of Hindutva. I assured her that despite the massive propaganda (especially through e-mail and print media), no government agency has taken any adverse action on IDRF. For instance, IDRF’s tax-exempt status under IRS and IDRF’s registration in various states in USA remains intact. Further, IDRF had duly filed its 2002 tax return to IRS, and it had a clean audit report for the year 2002.” Shri Prakash further added, “Smt. Pillai did not have, I presume, enough moral courage to call me once she had decided to over-rule Dr Singh and delete the write-up about me as an awardee sent by him for inclusion in the programme booklet.” A senior board member of FIA said that at the recommendation of Satish Misra, Prakash’s name was chosen. However, Hari Har Singh, who chairs the awards committee and is not a board member, sent an e-mail to Prakash without consulting the FIA board. Whatever be the reason, though Prakash was not given the award, FIA chose to recognise him and he decided to accept that recognition.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 16 2004, 11:47 AM

Ann Pillai Name tells complete story, what else one can expect from her.

Posted by: Viren Jul 16 2004, 12:02 PM

Goggling for http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Federation+of+Indian+Americans%22%2B%22website%22 brings up a page "The protean forms of Yankee Hindutva" by Biju Mathew, Vijay Prashad ohmy.gif ohmy.gif What does Google know that we don't sad.gif

Posted by: narayanan Jul 16 2004, 12:08 PM

Dear Shri Pillai: I am one of the co-authors of a report which investigated, in depth, the "charges" made against the India Development and Relief Fund run by Dr. Vinod Prakash and his team of volunteers by a gang describing themselves as "Sabrang", the "Forum of Indian Leftists", the Pakistani-supported "Friends of South Asia" and the communist, foreign-funded "South Asian Citizens' Web". Our report was published over a year ago, and is available in book form as well. You can see very quickly what we concluded, as well as the full scope of the investigation, at http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/attack_on_idrf_by_mathew.html Concerted Attack on the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF)Exposing Biju Mathew, A.K.Sen, Sabrang.com, and the "Campaign to Stop Funding Hatred" and http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/foilies/ Organizations Funded by IDRF - Sabrang/FOIL claims vs. Reality Please convey to Ms. Ann Pillai my outrage at what I see in the article cited below. Intelligent people can understand why the uninformed might be suckers initially for the propaganda of professional liars. However, assuming that what is reported below is accurate, you folks have no excuse at this point to continue to be so ignorant, and to commit such atrocities as what you did to Shri Prakash and Mrs. Sarla Prakash by your organization. By copy of this email, I am requesting that others who are aware of the facts, take action to deter such cowardly actions as are reported in the article. I expect to see prompt, enlightened action from your organization to quit being proxies for liars, apologize to Shri Prakash, accept the truth, come out as decent people and stand up for truth and decency, and for those who are trying to help the weakest and most deserving of Indian society. Regards Narayanan Komerath ************************************************************************ July 18, 2004 Page: 8/40 http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.p...e&pid=32&page=8 Home > 2004 Issues > July 18, 04 IDRF’s Vinod Prakash denied award A sectarian approach From Our Correspondent The Federation of Indian Americans, National Capital Region (FIA-NCR) kicked up a row recently while celebrating the Asian-American Heritage month. In focus yet again is Vinod Prakash of Indian Development Relief Fund (IDRF). The FIA-NCR has in the past recognised and awarded Indian Americans who have excelled in various fields, including social work. According to reports received from Washington, this year around, one of the nominees, Vinod Prakash was denied the award even after formally inviting him to receive the award. An eager Vinod Prakash went to the function with his wife Smt. Sarla Prakash and was duly escorted to a reserved table. After this year’s recipients, Kumar Barve and First Lieutenant Shiby Chacko received their awards, Hari Har Singh, chairperson of the awards committee, took the podium and announced guiltily that Prakash’s nomination was not approved and hence he would only be recognised on stage. A visibly upset Shri Prakash, while speaking to the India Post termed it as an insult. “They had no reason to call me and treat me like this,” he said, pointing out that an e-mail was sent to him by Hari Har Singh that read as follows: ‘On behalf of the Federation of Indian-American Association, it is my honour to inform you that you have been selected to be the recipient of FIA-NCR Social Service Award, 2004 during the APA Heritage month celebration on Sunday, May 23, 2004 (5:00 to 9:00 p.m.) at the Potomac Community Centre, Potomac, Maryland. You are invited with your spouse to join us in the celebration and receive the award in person.’ Shri Prakash lashed out at Smt. Ann Pillai, president, FIA-NCR, who according to him had spoken to him on the previous day. “Smt. Ann Pillai called me to let me know that she was going to present the FIA-NCR social service award to me at the next day’s function. The phone conversation lasted 35 minutes as she informed me that my selection was controversial. Of course, the cause of controversy was the blind faith in the outrageous attack on IDRF by the report, The Foreign Exchange of Hate: IDRF and the American Funding of Hindutva. I assured her that despite the massive propaganda (especially through e-mail and print media), no government agency has taken any adverse action on IDRF. For instance, IDRF’s tax-exempt status under IRS and IDRF’s registration in various states in USA remains intact. Further, IDRF had duly filed its 2002 tax return to IRS, and it had a clean audit report for the year 2002.” Shri Prakash further added, “Smt. Pillai did not have, I presume, enough moral courage to call me once she had decided to over-rule Dr Singh and delete the write-up about me as an awardee sent by him for inclusion in the programme booklet.” A senior board member of FIA said that at the recommendation of Satish Misra, Prakash’s name was chosen. However, Hari Har Singh, who chairs the awards committee and is not a board member, sent an e-mail to Prakash without consulting the FIA board. Whatever be the reason, though Prakash was not given the award, FIA chose to recognise him and he decided to accept that recognition. ***************************************************** Some of the worthies named there are listed below on the internet: NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDIAN-AMERICAN ASSOCIATIONS (NFIA) & ASSOCIATION OF INDIANS IN AMERICA (AIA) ((http://www.nfia.net) Niraj Baxi (408) 973-9161 nbaxi@nfia.net Budh Dev Manvar (516) 876-2118 Parthasarathy Pillai (240) 461-9340 ppillai1@aol.com Piyush A Agrawal (954) 389-4465 sudhacpa@aol.com CONTACTS: Rajen Anand (562) 537-1077 Radha Krishnan (248) 682-2106 Narinder M Kukar (516) 938-4965 Nirmal Mattoo (516) 671-1619 Rohit Vyas (516) 504-6784 Mahendra K Shah (301) 549-1080 Rajendra K Jain (504) 887-8242 Pramod Kamdar (858) 538-0666 Jay Joshi (301) 424-2538 Nirmal Saini (301) 469-8349 Ratee Patel (703) 525-8979 Archana Patel (703) 750-9192 Hari Har Singh (301) 428-0428 Yogendra Gupta (301) 428-1783 Ann Pillai (301) 935-5321 Manmadhan Nair (972)393-6833 Gope Gidwani (781) 575-1045 Mukund Agashe (240) 453-0580 Mathen Chacko (410) 519-6339 Sam Bathena (301) 949-5207 D.G.Patel (301) 424-1687 Narindra Rastagi (301) 983-3057 Anil Mathur (301) 262-6531 Kamlesh Shah (301) 838-9778 Gabriel Roy (703) 352-0485 Vijay Bhalala (703) 817-0308 Raj Kurup (410) 480-2838 Sundi Khanna (516) 752-1444 Om Sharma (301) 26207239 Natwar Mehta (301) 441-8598 Vijay Sazawal (202) 468-7222 Raj Mallick (202) 812-3456 Harish Shah (301) 365-9445 Angela Anand (703) 642-3156 Benoy Thomas (301) 572-7855 Kamal Thakore (301) 570-1656 Pradeep Ganguly (301) 860-1144 Dinesh Seth (301) 989-6111 Prahlad Mathur (301) 949-0866 Lal Motwani (718) 470-1026 Bhupendra Patel (301) 977-1248 Piara Singh Ghumman (703) 449-1235

Posted by: rajesh_g Jul 16 2004, 01:43 PM

Is FIA same thing as federation of indian american organisations or something like that ? There was this guy who spoke at a funeral I attended recently - am wondering if its the same thing then maybe I can try and get in touch with him personally and give him a mouthful ? Mudy, Do you know Ann Pillai ? I have never heard of her/him before this ?

Posted by: narayanan Jul 16 2004, 02:32 PM

Rajesh, yes, apparently so. Pls convey my best wishes to him. Pls note that not all of the FIA is bad - only some bad A(nn)pill(ai)s. Any help inciting them against each other is most welcome. An organization that pulls THAT bad a stunt needs to have itself Flush.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 16 2004, 04:58 PM

Dear Shri Pillai,Niraj Baxi I am disappointed to know IDRF’s Vinod Prakash denied award and given humiliating treatment by your organization. IDRF doing great job providing funds to soldier’s families who died while protecting common citizens from terrorist and securing India’s borders, opening Eklya Vidalaya all over India and lot of other projects. I was under impression your organization is a representative of people of Indian origin but I was shocked that you are mouth piece of communist and groups e.g FOIL/SABRANG/SINGH who are supporter of recently declared international terrorist group PWG/naxalites/Maoist under US terrorism law. What ever your group ideology please remove word “Indian” from your organization, because we Indo American don’t want to victim of harassment because of your support to organization which supports terrorist and their ideology. Thanks xxxx CC: US Homeland Security Department Indian Consulate- San Francisco United Nations

Posted by: narayanan Jul 17 2004, 05:41 AM

Who is this worthy dictator of "FIA-NCR"? http://modelminority.com/printout449.html

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Four days after the 9/11 attacks, Balbir Singh Sodhi was gunned down at his gas station in Mesa, Arizona. The man who killed him exulted: "I am a patriot. I will stand up for my brothers and sisters in New York." Sodhi's brother, Sukhpal Singh, also died in a shootout in Dale City, California, a year later, but the police concluded that it was not a hate crime. The Indian American community is 1.8 million strong. Among the immigrant groups in the US, it happens to be one of the most affluent. Some Indians feel that this level of prosperity itself could make the community vulnerable to attacks at a time when the US economy is in the doldrums and Americans are losing jobs in a big way. But Ann Pillai, a community activist living in the US since 1969, believes that hate crimes are not that many now and should not be blown out of proportion. A former hospital administrator in Boston, Pillai says she never encountered any racial ill-feeling in all her 34 years in the US. guitar.gif Rajwant Singh, chairman of the Sikh Council on Religion and Education, holds a different view. "The number of incidents may have come down, but undercurrent of fear is very much there," he says. Singh, however, is relieved that the White House remains sensitive to hate crimes and the FBI readily takes up such cases.

Posted by: narayanan Jul 17 2004, 06:02 AM

More on the "FIA-NCR" circus: http://www.hindustantimes.com/2003/May/14/5967_253193,001600060001.htm

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HindustanTimes.com » Indians Abroad » NRI News Indian Americans squabble over reception for Narayanan (no relation to above postor.. tv_feliz.gif ) Indo-Asian News Service Washington, May 14 Rival groups of Indian Americans are out to settle scores over a reception for former Indian president K.R. Narayanan who will be here on a private visit. Despite advice to refrain from public squabbling by Indian embassy officials, some community leaders belonging to rival outfits in the greater Washington area have decided to boycott the reception. Narayanan, who will be here on a private visit, will stay in Indian Ambassador Lalit Mansingh's official residence in Washington DC. His engagements here include a visit to his daughter, who lives in the U.S, and a medical check up. The Global Organisation of People of Indian Origin (GOPIO), a New Jersey-New York-based group, is organising the reception. What has upset local leaders of the National Federation of Indian Americans (NFIA) and the Federation of Indian Americans (FIA) is that GOPIO founder Thomas Abraham has decided to ask Narayanan to inaugurate a GOPIO chapter here that will coincide with the community reception. This they feel would steal the thunder from them, as it would overshadow other events planned by the NFIA and the FIA for Narayanan. Chief among them is the 90th anniversary of the Gadhaar Party in California. Besides this, the NFIA and the FIA are totally opposed to a GOPIO chapter being opened on their home turf -- the nation's capital. Incidentally those openly involved in the squabbles are expatriates from Kerala, the state Narayanan hails from. All of them had developed close links with Narayanan when he served here as Indian ambassador to the U.S. Using these ties, Abraham is believed to have extended the invitation to Narayanan to visit the U.S. when the GOPIO head went to New Delhi during the Pravasi Diwas celebrations. Several meetings were also held between the NFIA and the GOPIO representatives to sort out the problems regarding the reception, but in vain. NFIA and FIA leaders even met Indian Ambassador Mansingh on May 5 to seek an amicable solution, which according to them was for GOPIO to give up its idea of opening a chapter in DC. Anil Chowdhry, the community affairs minister in the Indian embassy, who was present at the meeting, told IANS that none of the Indian American leaders asked Mansingh to boycott the reception. They had only come to express their displeasure, talked about their differences and also sought the embassy's help to keep GOPIO out of the Washington area. Chowdhry said he told them the embassy has no role to play in their affairs. He, however, suggested that they rise above their differences and participate in the reception as a show of strength and unity for the entire Indian American community. Parthasarathy Pillai, a well-known community leader, told IANS that GOPIO is trying to "hijack our" function. Pillai said GOPIO is an offshoot of NFIA and is based in the New York-New Jersey area and is not a local organisation. According to an unwritten convention and understanding, he said, GOPIO looks after the international agenda of Indian Americans, while the NFIA takes care of the national agenda and the FIA is entrusted with the local needs of the community. This has been followed strictly for the past 13 years. "I am not against any individuals or groups, but certain norms need to be followed," he added. But Sambhu Banik, another community leader associated with the Indian American Forum for Political Education (IAFPE), told IANS: "There are so many Indian associations in the area. One more, that of the GOPIO, is not going to make any difference." Hari Har Swarup, another community activist, who is involved in the GOPIO organised reception, told IANS that no association has any monopoly over an event in the Washington DC area. Moreover, if the GOPIO wants to open a chapter here, "it can do so because this is a free society and none can object to it". The reception is being overseen by Renuka Mishra, former president of the India Cultural Coordination Committee (ICCC) who has now became a member of GOPIO.
Note: "Gadhar" is the name of the FOIL's "journal", right? Commie to the core.

Posted by: narayanan Jul 17 2004, 06:12 AM

And a followup to that. It turns out that, boycott or not, Pillai does not believe in getting left out of the feeding trough. tv_feliz.gif http://static.highbeam.com/i/indiaabroad/june062003/galareceptionfornarayananisasellout/

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Haniffa, Aziz India Abroad June 06, 2003 The gala dinner reception accorded to former President K.R. Narayanan by the metropolitan Washington area's Indian-American community May 25 in the Grand Ballroom of the DoubleTree Hotel was a sellout. Narayanan is in the United States to participate in a conference on the 90th anniversary of the Gadar movement's founding in California and to undergo a medical checkup. Notwithstanding a boycott campaign by National Federation of Indian American Associations' immediate past president Dr. Parthasarathy Pillai, over 350 people attended the dinner, despite the Memorial Day holiday weekend. Several area organizations, including the Association of Indian American Muslims (the first organization to agree to co-sponsor the ev...

Posted by: k.ram Jul 17 2004, 06:14 AM

For what its worth, here is a site to Museum of Communism www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/museum/musframe.htm Perhaps, we can copy "Commie" related events to this website owner. I did get in touch with him few months back, and he had no clue about Commie involvement and role in India. He was going to read up on some articles and stuff I sent him.

Posted by: Amber G. Jul 18 2004, 01:25 PM

This is outrageous.

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IDRF’s Vinod Prakash denied award A sectarian approach From Our Correspondent The Federation of Indian Americans, National Capital Region (FIA-NCR) kicked up a row recently while celebrating the Asian-American Heritage month. In focus yet again is Vinod Prakash of Indian Development Relief Fund (IDRF). The FIA-NCR has in the past recognised and awarded Indian Americans who have excelled in various fields, including social work. According to reports received from Washington, this year around, one of the nominees, Vinod Prakash was denied the award even after formally inviting him to receive the award. An eager Vinod Prakash went to the function with his wife Smt. Sarla Prakash and was duly escorted to a reserved table. After this year’s recipients, Kumar Barve and First Lieutenant Shiby Chacko received their awards, Hari Har Singh, chairperson of the awards committee, took the podium and announced guiltily that Prakash’s nomination was not approved and hence he would only be recognised on stage. A visibly upset Shri Prakash, while speaking to the India Post termed it as an insult. “They had no reason to call me and treat me like this,” he said, pointing out that an e-mail was sent to him by Hari Har Singh that read as follows: ‘On behalf of the Federation of Indian-American Association, it is my honour to inform you that you have been selected to be the recipient of FIA-NCR Social Service Award, 2004 during the APA Heritage month celebration on Sunday, May 23, 2004 (5:00 to 9:00 p.m.) at the Potomac Community Centre, Potomac, Maryland. You are invited with your spouse to join us in the celebration and receive the award in person.’ Shri Prakash lashed out at Smt. Ann Pillai, president, FIA-NCR, who according to him had spoken to him on the previous day. “Smt. Ann Pillai called me to let me know that she was going to present the FIA-NCR social service award to me at the next day’s function. The phone conversation lasted 35 minutes as she informed me that my selection was controversial. Of course, the cause of controversy was the blind faith in the outrageous attack on IDRF by the report, The Foreign Exchange of Hate: IDRF and the American Funding of Hindutva. I assured her that despite the massive propaganda (especially through e-mail and print media), no government agency has taken any adverse action on IDRF. For instance, IDRF’s tax-exempt status under IRS and IDRF’s registration in various states in USA remains intact. Further, IDRF had duly filed its 2002 tax return to IRS, and it had a clean audit report for the year 2002.” Shri Prakash further added, “Smt. Pillai did not have, I presume, enough moral courage to call me once she had decided to over-rule Dr Singh and delete the write-up about me as an awardee sent by him for inclusion in the programme booklet.” A senior board member of FIA said that at the recommendation of Satish Misra, Prakash’s name was chosen. However, Hari Har Singh, who chairs the awards committee and is not a board member, sent an e-mail to Prakash without consulting the FIA board. Whatever be the reason, though Prakash was not given the award, FIA chose to recognise him and he decided to accept that recognition.
From:http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=32&page=8 Added later: Sorry did not see previous posts .... It had already been posted.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 18 2004, 10:00 PM

Response to someone's letter [http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28&view=findpost&p=17403] Dear xxx, What the hell are talking about? Please check your facts very carefully and explain to us the precise nature of your complaint. NFIA has done no such thing. I f you do not know anything about the NFIA, we will delighted to educate you, provided you are willing to learn. CHECK YOUR FACTS. Rajen Anand Who is Rajen Anand [ http://www.asianamerican.net/bios/Anand-Rajen.html]

Posted by: Amber G. Jul 19 2004, 08:32 AM

FYI - Other spectators ,,

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Those who attended the event included Deputy Chief of Mission, Embassy of India, Rakesh Sood, Congressman Al Wynn (D-MD), Congressman Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Maryland House majority Leader Kumar Barve, and Samuel Mok, chief financial officer, U.S. Department of Labor.
And About Rajen Anannd: The news: (July 19th)
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Rajen Anand Named Kerry Delegate, Revives IAPA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By MICHEL W. POTTS Special to India-West Long-time Democratic Party activist Rajen Anand has been elected a John Kerry delegate in the 46th Congressional District and has revived the Indo-American Political Association, an organization he founded in Southern California in 1987. A total of 241 delegates and 40 alternates were elected in 53 congressional districts in California. Anand told India-West he believes he is the only Indian American delegate elected from California, if not also nationwide, to the 2004 Democratic National Convention, scheduled July 26-29 at the Fleet Center in Boston. The full story appears in the print edition of India-West. To subscribe, click on the Subscribe link on the India-West Web site or email info@indiawest.com.
Also someone should check out their e-newsletter/Bulletion Board at NFIA@yahoogroups.com

Posted by: Amber G. Jul 19 2004, 08:51 AM

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Note: "Gadhar" is the name of the FOIL's "journal", right? Commie to the core.
Not sure: user posted image picture of the event lists as
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Nfia's 90th Anniversary of Gadar Movement, Ribbon Cutting Left to Right: Inder Singh, Ujjal Dosanjh, Mrs. Dosanjh, Ambassador Bhishma Agnihotri, Haresh Panchal, Niraj Baxi

Posted by: narayanan Nov 3 2004, 03:46 PM

What goes around, comes around.

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NGO forcing me to lie: ZaheeraAdd to Clippings PTI[ WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2004 03:49:24 PM ] AHMEDABAD: In a sudden turnaround, prime witness in the Best Bakery case Zaheera Sheikh on Wednesday accused the NGO that was helping her in the case of pressurising her into making statements, police said. Zaheera has also sought police protection from Teetsa Setalvad, an activist of the NGO. "Zaheera today said that what she said in the Fast Track court in Vadodara during the trial was true and that the NGO activist Teetsa Setalvad was pressurising her to name innocent persons during the retrial at the Mumbai court," Vadodara police comissioner S K Sinha said. In an affidavit Zaheera filed with Vadodara Collector, she asked police to protect her from Setalvad and also during the on-going re-trial in the special court at Mumbai, the commissioner said. Zaheera claimed that she was forcibly taken to Mumbai by some locals at the behest of Setalvad and also made to sign several documents that were in English. The crucial eyewitness also said Setalvad had "threatened her with dire consequences" if she did not cooperate with the developments in the case and had closeted her in Mumbai, Sinha said. Zaheera also accused the Mumbai Police of siding with Setalvad and towing her line in the case, Sinha added. Unlike her previous statements, Zaheera on Wednesday denied even meeting BJP MLA Madhu Shrivastav. She had earlier alleged that Shrivastav had threatened her against stating the truth before Vadodara Fast Track Court. She also told mediapersons that the judgement passed by the FTC judge H U Mahida was "correct." Zaheera was the key witness in the case who had moved the Supreme Court for its re-trial outside Gujarat. Following her petition, the apex court had ordered transfer of the case to a Mumbai court and also rapped the state government regarding protection to riot witnesses.
Bacho: Pls give this due publicity onlee. Teesta Setalwad, sponsor of FOIL, Biju Matthew etc. is terrorizing innocent minority wimmens in Mumbai. Incidentally, the dorks above are lying as usual. Ms. Zaheera has NOT "changed" her story. Every time she has testified in court under oath, she said the same thing: the poor folks being tortured by the police and put on trial in this horrible case are all innocent neighbors who tried to protect the victims. Sounds like the actual rioting murderers were Teesta and her terrorist buddies. tv_feliz.gif

Posted by: Mudy Nov 3 2004, 07:58 PM

Teesta of FOIL an anti India and Hindu group saga continues.

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Teesta forced me into changing my earlier deposition. She threatened me with dire consequences if I did not follow her instructions," she told reporters in her hometown Vadodara. "When I told her (Teesta) that she could not force me into a wrong case and that I would lodge a police complaint against her, her friend Rashid Khan told me that I would be killed if I did not co-operate with them," Zahira alleged. "Rashid told me that his men in Vadodara would keep a watch over me, and that I would be lynched if I went there," she stated. Narrating her first meeting with Teesta earlier this year, Zahira said, "My brother and I were forcibly taken into a van and driven to Mumbai by an unknown person. There I was produced before a woman who identified herself as Teesta Setalvad." "When I asked her what she wanted, she said, 'You have to fight for your community, for which even if you have to tell lies, you'll have to tell lies before court.'" Zahira said she had requested Setalvad to spare her the false legal case. "When I said I didn't want to fight for the false case, Teesta told me that she would keep me under her custody until the case was over. "Teesta locked me in her house. Later she put me in the custody of her relatives in Andheri (in Mumbai). She didn't allow my mother or other relatives to see me," she alleged. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/909753.cms "I do not know English and could not read them. When I asked Setalvad why she was taking my signatures, she told me it was to get the bakery property transferred in my mother's name," she said. Zahira claimed she had told Setalvad that she did not want to testify against "innocent people". She claimed she even felt like committing suicide because of the stress. She also made allegations against the Mumbai police, saying even they were not neutral and were pressurising her to name those arrested as the killers. Zahira claimed the Mumbai police used to work in accordance with Setalvad's wishes. She declined to comment when asked to give her thoughts about the testimonies of other eyewitnesses who had identified the accused before the Mumbai court.

Posted by: narayanan Nov 6 2004, 06:40 AM

Hey, this is getting VERY interesting. How can we help the SC by pointing out certain facts about Teesta's loyalty to the concept of India? I mean http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/sabrang_foil_sacw.html Its really atrocious that this person is being allowed to run free and terrorize innocent riot victims, given her blatantly anti-Indian credentials. Aren't there any awake lawyers in India to present this to the Supreme Court and ask for a CBI investigation of Sabrang and its possible terrorist links? www.rediff.com

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Zaheera's volte-face: Setalvad moves SC November 06, 2004 15:52 IST Social activist Teesta Setalvad, accused by the Best Bakery prime witness Zaheera Sheikh of forcing her to make false statements, on Saturday moved the Supreme Court seeking a probe by the Central Bureau of Investigation into Zaheera's volte-face. In an application filed with the apex court, Setalvad said the Best Bakery trial was transferred from Gujarat to Mumbai on the basis of an affidavit filed by Zaheera detailing a complete lack of cooperation from the investigating and prosecuting agencies. * Gujarat Riots: Complete Coverage | Best Bakery trial: Zaheera recants Setalvad, who runs the Citizens for Justice and Peace, an NGO, has questioned in her application: "Who arranged for the press conference [in which Zaheera retracted her statement]? What was the Baroda police commissioner doing when the prime witness in the Bakery case was turning hostile?" Terming Zaheera's allegations against her as baseless, Setalvad said that all the affidavits written in English were translated into Hindi for Zaheera before she signed them. * More news reports On November 3, Zaheera had accused the CJP of 'pressuring' her into making statements and naming 'innocent persons' in the ongoing retrial in Mumbai. She had also sought protection from Gujarat police.

Posted by: narayanan Nov 6 2004, 06:45 AM

My questions about the above news report. 1. If the "Affidavit" is a true and complete account, in Zaheera's words, of what Zaheera said, WHY WAS IT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH AND HAVE TO BE "TRANSLATED" FOR ZAHEERA TO UNDERSTAND?" Did Zaheera say her evidence in English? Wouldn't any honest affidavit be written in Gujarati, Hindi or Urdu (whatever Zaheera speaks) and then translated for the benefit of the illiterate judges? 2. WHY is the Supreme Court being asked to intervene in the middle of a case going on in the Mumbai High Court? Teesta suddenly has lost faith in the Mumbai HC where her poppa probably runs the show? Or the SC knows that the Mumbai judge (whom they appointed) is not dependable to do what is just and fair? Could someone tell me if there is something here that I am not seeing onlee?

Posted by: Mudy Nov 6 2004, 08:47 AM

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Citizens for Justice and Peace
http://www.sabrang.com/tribunal/ Printed copies of the 2-volume, 540-page report are now available for distribution against a recommended contribution of Rs 200 plus Rs. 25 to cover postage charges. Delivery against receipt of Demand Draft or Money Order ONLY, favouring ‘Citizens for Justice and Peace’ After 4Oct Sabrangis are lost in unknown http://www.sabrang.com/cjp/best/factfile.htm

Posted by: Mudy Nov 6 2004, 08:54 AM

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Terming Zaheera's allegations against her as baseless, Setalvad said that all the affidavits written in English were translated into Hindi for Zaheera before she signed them

Posted by: narayanan Nov 6 2004, 04:09 PM

That's what I mean, Mudy. The "affidavits" were cooked up by someone who was Angrezi-ejjikated, and then [i]translated[I] for Zaheera to "sign". So the affidavits were what Teesta and her gang WANTED Zaheera to say - which confirms what Zaheera says about coercion by these terrorists. That single statement from Teesta's gang would seem to provide grounds for arrest - to keep them from harassing and terrorizing Zaheera. Where is justice in this? I hear that Teesta has immunity from Indian law because her poppa is a famous lawyer, and her drinking buddies include certain Admirals etc. who have vast amounts of money from backsheesh in arms deals.

Posted by: Mudy Nov 6 2004, 04:41 PM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1093889,001301170000.htm

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Khan said that he had left for his native place in Uttar Pradesh after the incident, and had returned to Vadodara only after seven months of the incident. He said his visit was casual but he got a job in another bakery where he was approached by some policemen. Khan said that the policemen took him to some place and asked him to tell the court that he had been assaulted from behind and that he had not seen anyone assaulting him. He said he visited Mumbai a few months ago and met "Didi" who got his thumb impression on a document, which was sent as his affidavit to the Supreme Court. Khan was unable to name "Didi" but when Jambaulikar took activist Teesta Setalvad's name, he said that it was "Teesta madam." Khan was also unable to recall Jehnab, Shabnam, Babli and Sugli whom he has named as victims of the carnage in his police statement.
Here is another example of legal leftist terrorism. Teesta and her father Atul Setalvad are well connected corrupt lawyers. They knew before hand they can buy Bombay judge or judge is already in their pocket. Dawood connection is very much possible.

Posted by: Mudy Nov 7 2004, 07:10 PM

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Another witness accuses Teesta Mumbai A day after Best bakery case witness Zaheera Sheikh sought police protection from social activist Teesta Setalvad, an accused in the case on Thursday claimed Ms Setalvad had "threatened" him while being taken out of the court. Dinesh Rajbhar, the accused, told Special Judge am Thipsay that Ms Setalvad had warned him on Wednesday evening that "hum tum sab ko dekh lenge (we will see you all)." The court has taken the complaint on record. biggrin.gif http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front% 5Fpage&file_name=story4%2Etxt&counter_img=4

Posted by: narayanan Nov 7 2004, 07:38 PM

I noted another interesting snippet. Read about the Godhra investigation. The murderers met at the house of one of the big thugs where they collected the petrol etc. The name of the house? "AMAN" was mentioned. Am I imagining things, or are Teesta and gang, with their obvious ISI loyalties, the real organizers of the Godhra atrocity? Coincidence about this AMAN? Why should we believe that?

Posted by: narayanan Nov 9 2004, 08:25 PM

Teesta Setalwad counts chickens coming home to roost. Wonder if they'll ask her about the "AMAN" map of the http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/sabrang_foil_sacw.html Anyway, enjoy: from www.OUTLOOKIndia.com tv_feliz.gif

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NATIONAL BAKERY-LD TEESTA Teesta moves Bombay HC for anticipatory bail Mumbai, Nov 9 (PTI) Social activist Teesta Setalvad, facing accusations of pressurising the prime witness in Best Bakery case Zaheera Shaikh to tell lies before the trial court here, today moved the Bombay High Court seeking anticipatory bail. The petition would come up for hearing before justice R S Mohite tomorrow. Teesta said in view of Zaheera levelling criminal charges against her in an affidavit before Vadodara collector, she apprehended arrest if FIR was registered against her and in that event she prayed for anticipatory bail. Teesta, who came to the court with her lawyers Satish Maneshinde and Sayaji Nangre, has denied Zaheera's allegations saying it was a "fabricated" story. However, Teesta and her lawyers refused to talk to reporters outside the court. Zaheera had alleged she was forcibly taken to Mumbai by some locals at the behest of Teesta and also made to sign documents in English. Zaheera further alleged Teesta had "threatened her with dire consequences" if she did not cooperate with the developments of the case in the trial court and had closetted her in Mumbai. Zaheera also accused Mumbai police of siding with Teesta and towing her line. Seeking police protection from Teeta and also during the ongoing trial in Mumbai court, Zaheera said she had told lies before the fast track court in Vadodara and that Teesta was pressuring her to name innocent persons as accused in the Mumbai court. At the instance of Zaheera that the Supreme Court had ordered retrial of the case in Mumbai. Teesta had then stood solidly behind Zaheera in her fight for justice. guitar.gif
Incidentally, I too am curious onlee about why Mumbai police haven't arrested the damn traitors who posted the "Aman" map.

Posted by: Mudy Nov 10 2004, 09:42 AM

n3.gif she is sheltered by Big mom in India- Antonio maa.

Posted by: rajesh_g Nov 10 2004, 10:01 AM

http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/nov/10guj.htm

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A group of Muslim intellectuals on Wednesday defended human rights activist Teesta Setalvad's role in the Best Bakery case and demanded a high-level probe into the circumstances that made key witness Zaheera Sheikh retract her statement. The Intellectuals' Forum for Secular Democracy, comprising mostly academics from the Aligarh Muslim University, in a statement urged all "right-thinking citizens" to rally behind Setalvad and "expose the designs of those who have contempt for the rule of law and are now celebrating the sudden shift in the stand of Zaheera Sheikh."

Posted by: rajesh_g Nov 10 2004, 10:17 AM

Edit from Samachar.com http://www.samachar.com/features/101104-editorial.html

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Zaheera Sheikh revisited That the key witness in the Best Bakery case, Zaheera Sheikh, has become a political football in the fight between professional secularists and alleged communalists should be crystal clear to anyone other than the purblind partisans on either side of the religious divide. Like vultures a couple of high-profile self-styled secularists had pounced on Sheikh to exploit her story for self-glorification and personal advancement. That would explain the emergence of a battleaxe of a Mumbai-based woman megaphone of pseudo secularists who saw nothing wrong in accepting tainted funds for her `cause’. On the other hand, some people in the majority community might have come to feel the need to keep Sheih in good humour since her eyewitness account in the gruesome incident in the wake of the Godhra train torching provocation could have a vital bearing on the ultimate outcome of the trail in the Best Bakery case. But it is possible that the truth, and the path of sanity, lies in between the two extreme positions. Now that Sheikh has recanted her earlier statement and openly accused her self-styled protector, that is, the selfsame Mumbai-based woman battleaxe, of having kept her in forcible confinement for long months, and for having allegedly tutored her to mislead the court, the latter’s role needs must be investigated fully. And her sources of funding laid bare so that any doubt about the origins of those funds are fully removed. Unfortunately for the cause of justice to prevail without let or fear, the urban-centric media and the judiciary invariably tend to give undue weightage to these false prophets of spurious secularism. That would explain the failure of both these vital institutions of our democratic nation to examine the role of the activist whom Sheikh has named as her tormentor in a sworn affidavit. That would also explain the promptness by which the latter has been allowed to approach the highest court in the land to seek a further inquiry into the circumstances in which Sheikh had accused her of dirty doings. Instead of clarifying her role, instead of getting the accounts of her outfit examined by an independent body, instead of explaining how she had come to access crores of rupees in the 1998 general election, the said activist, feigning innocence, has sought the intervention of the apex court to seek action against Sheikh for the latter’s act of alleged blasphemy in laying bare her self-assumed protector’s nefarious role in co-opting her and other victims of the tragic communal conflagration in the wake of the Godhra train torching provocation in her own little games. Her motives do not become pure merely because she says so. Meanwhile, the high decibel noise over the Best Bakery and other such riots cases in which members of the minority community were on the receiving end of the communal violence will only fuel further the resentment in a large section of the population that the charge of appeasement of the minority community was not without foundation. Neither the media nor for that matter the activist judiciary seems to be overly concerned about meting out justice to the perpetrators of the Godhra train burning which consumed 56 Hindu pilgrims returning from Ayodhya. While ordinary people are told daily in the minutest of details the latest developments in the Best Bakery and other such cases, little is known as to what was happening to the miscreants held in the torching of the Sabarmati Express coach which burnt alive 56 innocent men, women and children. No secularist or even a human rights organisation would embrace the cause of the victims of the Godhra train horror or their survivors because there is no percentage in espousing the cause of the majority community. The payoff in being a bleeding heart secularist is almost always quick and can take the form of both Indian rupees and petro dollars. Lest the above get every pseudo secularist hot under the collar we will like to make it amply clear that we stand for sanity in both private and public life where religion is not used as a tool to garner votes en bloc of one or the other minority community. The majority community, it may be noted, does not, and cannot, vote on communal lines because for very strong spiritual and historic factors it has internalised true secularism, not of the pseudo variety as mouthed by the vote-seeking politicians but of the `Sarv Dharma Samman’ kind as enshrined in our holy texts. The true champions of the minorities would exert themselves to eradicate their illiteracy and ingrained prejudices. And not incite them with or without provocation to aggressively wallow in their own false sense of victimhood. Mainstreaming the minorities without in any way whittling down their faith in their own religious and cultural practices should be the mission of true secularists. Unfortunately for the self-seeking secularist warriors, it has come to mean little more than grandstanding in the media and the courts with or without encouragement from the sections of these two vital institutions of our democratic polity. Send in your comments on this article to samachareditor@sify.com

Posted by: Mudy Nov 11 2004, 10:34 AM

xpost http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/nov/29varsha.htm

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In September, India Today wrote: "According to media planners, the ad campaign should have cost some Rs 75 lakh," money Teesta claims to have raised 'from a wide spectrum of well-wishers including corporates, trade unions, women's groups and NGOs'." Really? But didn't you inform the Express that no other NGO contributed...? Can we see documentation to prove that Sabrang didn't use foreign funds? That it is not a front for foreign powers working against the "Hindu nationalist fundamentalist party"? After all, entities like the Vatican, the ISI, American evangelists, Arab countries, etc, have plenty of moolah to disperse. This NGO business is very tricky, indeed. In January 1997, Seema Mustafa wrote, "The points in the [Kashmir] strategy developed by the US planners is sinister for three basic reasons. One, it wants to generate Congressional support that will reduce the international support for the elections in Kashmir... Two, its focus on NGOs coming out of the realisation that these can testify before the Congress, furnish latest information about the situation in Kashmir, generate pressure on the Indian government from within (again the Pakistan-India People's Forum for Peace and Democracy is one such obvious outfit set up for 'people to people' contact) and act as catalysts, when required, for political dialogue between the concerned parties." Teesta Setalvad is a core group member of the Pakistan-India People's Forum for Peace and Democracy.
http://www.hvk.org/specialrepo/hate/4.html
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This interview took place after the elections were over. While the election process was on, Setalvad was asked about the source of finance. In The Asian Age (September 4, 1999), Setalvad had said that the support comes from four political parties, some corporate house and certain NGOs. In India Today (September 13, 1999), she said it was "from a wide spectrum of well-wishers including corporates, trade unions, women's group and NGOs." There is an axiom that it is very hard to be consistent when one is telling lies. The reports also said that Setalvad and her team for this campaign operated from the residence of a Congress leader, and worked closely with the media cell of the party.
Javed Anand, who along with wife Teesta has edited Communalism Combat for ten years, tells Jyoti Punwani ....
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Q There were allegations that the Congress sponsored those ads. A We couldn’t have run those ads without sponsors! The Congress was one of the sponsors, and we feel no shame about associating with the Congress. We’d do it again.

Posted by: Mudy Nov 23 2004, 09:14 AM

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=38720

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In the vanguard of those fighting Hindu fundamentalism was Teesta Setalvad’s magazine, Communalism Combat. It won awards, went from strength to strength, received laurel upon laurel until, recently, when Teesta’s protege Zaheera Sheikh condemned her for exploiting her for money. When she made these charges I remembered other charges that had been made and contacted Teesta’s husband and partner, Javed Anand. He requested a list of questions which I sent and he answered, albeit in hurt tones that I should ask the same questions that had been raised by the ‘‘saffron brotherhood’’. In answer to a question, he said the magazine did not need to be registered as an NGO because it was not one. It was a private limited company, he said, that rendered accounts to the Income Tax Department. Fine. Though communalism is an odd subject to make a profit out of. This is not about Communalism Combat or the fight between Zaheera and Teesta. What it is about is the number of magazines and NGOs that have thrived on maligning India for being a country as fundamentalist as our Islamic neighbours. Is it not time to ask where their funds come from? With Hindutva gone for the foreseeable future, can we now please start dealing with the more serious problem of radical Islam? And can we hope that the magazines who thrived on painting India as a country of fanatics will now concentrate on exposing communalism of the other kind?
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Posted by: vijnan_anand Jan 2 2005, 11:10 PM

Even as we speak a new attack on IDRF has been launced, Ra Ravishankar has started an email campaign against IDRF and has sent press releases to many newspapers (the anti-semetic pakobserver has published the release a couple of hours ago, I am not posting any links as I do not want to provide free publicity to the scumbags). In the next few days we should be seeing articles in various newspapers attacking IDRF, it is imperative that we huddle together to stop this nonsense once and for all. Let us use this thread to thrash out a strategy and collect facts.

Posted by: Viren Jan 3 2005, 07:40 AM

from: http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=22&x_article=771

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Columnists like Mariam Sobh or Ra Ravishankar have repeatedly printed fabricated lies and quotes taken out of context from obscure sources and attributed incorrectly to Israeli leaders. After an extensive campaign waged by CAMERA and others, Sobh eventually printed a complete apology for printing a fabricated quote allegedly by Ariel Sharon.

Posted by: k.ram Jan 3 2005, 03:03 PM

http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/10rajiv2.htm

Posted by: narayanan Jan 4 2005, 04:09 PM

People: As u know, on BRF one has to tread v. lightly. ur help is needed to counter the criminals who have again started their lies. This time of course they have made the huge blunder of having their "appeal" appear so quickly on PakNews.com. But as before, some decent research is needed, to increase the "yield" of articles hitting back at the criminals.

Posted by: narayanan Jan 4 2005, 04:19 PM

Folks: Shri Malhotra is speaking in gentle terms of generalities. We deal in specifics. Newer members here may not know of the Epics, so some summaries are in order. Please read up: The Lashkar-e-Pinocchio Rides Again http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/Lashkar-e-Pinocchio.html The Sabrang/FOIL/FOSA “FAQ” Meets Reality http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/sabrang_faq_meets_reality.html A Critical Look at The Organized Labor of Hate Part 1: Any substance to their five-year “foreign exchange of hate? http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/critlook_1.html Part 2: Part 2: SPOTLIGHT ON THE ATTACKERS http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/critlook_2.html It may be time to expand Part 2. However, consider what is said in the "Lashkar-e-Pinocchio". The Commie-Pakis have pretty explicitly revealed their Paki /ISI connections. We can accordingly take the gloves off. Please join the fun.

Posted by: rhytha Jan 5 2005, 03:51 AM

QUOTE(narayanan @ Jan 5 2005, 04:39 AM)
People: As u know, on BRF one has to tread v. lightly. ur help is needed to counter the criminals who have again started their lies. This time of course they have made the huge blunder of having their "appeal" appear so quickly on PakNews.com. But as before, some decent research is needed, to increase the "yield" of articles hitting back at the criminals.
What help do you need, we can arrange for voulnteers?? rocker.gif

Posted by: k.ram Jan 5 2005, 05:52 AM

QUOTE(narayanan @ Jan 5 2005, 05:56 PM)
4. Dig a bit into the Commie linkages of "Ra" Ravishankar. I note that he denies having any.
http://ghadar.insaf.net/MainPages/editoriateam.htm https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ro/www/SouthAsianCollective/ [Connection with Biju Matthew et al and talk of "Hindu Fundamentalism"] and as all activist crooks, need a visible cause, therefore http://www.bhopal.net/gda.php and this in his own words about hindutva fanatics hijacking alternate media http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-india/2003-September/001023.html {Time to get back to work laugh.gif }

Posted by: Viren Jan 5 2005, 08:58 AM

n3.gif: http://www.illinimedia.com/di/opinions/1388 Has anyone sent this @#$ the response posted on the charcha website? His email: ravishan@students.uiuc.edu Ofcourse 'meaningful' for one many not be the same for someone else. The guy has clearly lost it "IDRF does seem to have blood on its hands" http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/7768/index.php, can't IRDF sue him for the smear campaign mad.gif

Posted by: narayanan Jan 5 2005, 10:58 AM

The university must have to pay. You guys need to join forces with the Jewish kids who are likewise targets of the "Daily Illini".

Posted by: subhendu Jan 5 2005, 11:37 AM

n3.gif - you mentioned that the People's War Group, a US SD listed foreign terror group, and that A Roy and Purefool B are in cahoots with them. Since the US Patriot Act actually allows the US Govt to go after indivudials and groups based on their past activties, there is no grandfathering clause, should we not try a legal punitive route as well? I am sure these commies and leftists and terror sympathizers will quieten up rather quickly then.

Posted by: narayanan Jan 5 2005, 01:12 PM

There is little point in trying to "quiet" them - as "Ra" so clearly demonstrates, they are completely devoid of intellectual honesty and scruples. I do think some US citizens should write to Homeland Security about the PWG associations, and the well-known ISI funding of the "Kashmir Researchers". The reason AID is in such a hurry to cover up its DYFI and SFI ties, is that American law still prohibits Marxists from entry. I bet all these criminals lied on their visa applications about their being Commies. Look at "Ra" for instance: Part of the "editorial team" of "Ghadar" which now has morphed into

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The Forum of INQUILAB Leftists
(used to be Indian leftists, but now the name has to change to reflect the ISI funding). How does something like that get into the US except by lying?

Posted by: Krishna Jan 5 2005, 02:17 PM

QUOTE(narayanan @ Jan 5 2005, 06:26 AM)
7. Do we know anyone at UiUC School of Electrical Engg - to get some background? Letters need to go out to UIUC's President, Dean of Engg and EE School Chair demanding to know why they are slandering relief organizations - "Ra"'s email came from a UIUC email address, and "Ra" is listed as an "academic" with UIUC. The university bears responsbility for damages - and needs to minimize that by promptly and publicly disassociating itself from Marxist, anti-Semitic liars, terrorists and other criminals. This will take a few hundred letters.
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Ranganathan Ravishankar - ravishan@uiuc.edu alias: ravishan name: ravishankar ranganathan pretty_name: ranganathan ravishankar first_name: ranganathan last_name: ravishankar email: ravishan@express.cites.uiuc.edu student_program_name: PHD:Electrical Engineerg -UIUC phone: (999) 999-9999 office_phone: (999) 999-9999 address: beckman institute : 1217 bi : mc 251 : 405 n mathews : urbana, il 61801 office_address: beckman institute : 1217 bi : mc 251 : 405 n mathews : urbana, il 61801 title: grad res asst department: coordinated science lab type: person phone student ews

Posted by: Krishna Jan 5 2005, 02:19 PM

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ro/www/HinduStudentsCouncil/index.html

Posted by: arindam Jan 5 2005, 04:32 PM

I think that there are 2 different issues that keep coming up and need to be handled slightly differently... 1. targetting AID: Exposing their communist links (to DYFI, SFI) are required here in the US (especially to the Americans), but we also have to realize that groups of all political hues, are raising money - some of them may make DYFI look tame. But, overall, as N3 keeps pointing out, we should never fall into the trap of asking people not to contribute. 2. targetting CSFH - I would not be surprised, if this were a Pkistani front and all their connections to Pakistanis, must be mentioned in all emails in as many forums as possible. These guys are much easier to target than the AID folks and I do not believe that outlets like PakObserver and PakNews carrying CSFH circulars is a coincidence. thoughts?

Posted by: narayanan Jan 5 2005, 07:29 PM

The link between the Pakis and "CSFTH" has now become blatant. The Pakis are posting their garbage as if the Pakis own India. The note from the hate group appeared real-time on Paknews.com, showing that they have uncritical, instant access to the Paknews site.

Posted by: Viren Jan 7 2005, 02:04 PM

Can anyone guesstimate the $ or % loss to IDRF because of the sleaze peddled by lowlifes? mad.gif

Posted by: narayanan Jan 7 2005, 03:39 PM

My theory is that the lowlife's efforts may reduce contributions from the clueless. This will impact the Designated Grants that would otherwise go to asorted entities - which are actually items which cost the IDRF folks money to disburse and monitor properly since they are unplanned projects. OTOH, the lowlife serve a very useful purpose in putting the name "IDRF" prominently as

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People who are successful in getting aid to and disbursing aid at the grassroots level. People who are NOT Commies or Pakis People who won't misuse the money to Save Souls or buy AK47s. People who are certainly not anti-India.
IOW, its like a Character Certificate. ONE contribution per year from someone who is impressed with that commitment would wipe out the "losses" from any number of clueless types. Of course IDRF has to be forthright and careful to stay on the straight and narrow. As far as I know, they do. Example I saw in the last 2 years is Ekal Vidyalaya project. The Commies and the Soul-Harvesters HATE that - and as u know, have been running a huge campaign against it (see Amitabh's visceral hatred for it..) OK, last year, there was a fundraiser in Houston for EV - organized by MDs. It was widely advertised by the Malayalam Patram out of New York - a paper which is certainly not anti-Christian - most of its people are Xtian. After the fundraiser, the paper again ran a fine feature on it - over $400K had been collected. There was a fundraiser in Atlanta recently for EV. One donor came in and gave $365K. Another is looking carefully into giving something much bigger. These are not people who would invest their money in something without careful perusal and thought. And what sells there, no doubt, is commitment and determination in the face of all these garbage hate attacks from the lowlife. Some time we need to send a big THANK YOU! to the lowlife. In due course -- maybe after they have gone in to enjoy permanent government hospitality for what they are doing in the SINGH Foundation, AID etc. But,.. I would be interested to see the answer sought above. No doubt, the ignorant will be swayed by the whining of the FOIL, AID etc. I know several AID volunteers around my workplace - they look fairly normal and ought to know better, but don't.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Jan 7 2005, 03:57 PM

To my knowledge IDRF has not lost any donor Meaning no donor has complained to IDRF about being misled I would say 99% of donors know the links of IDRF and thats why they deliberately contribute to IDRF Most donors of IDRF were looking for a charity that matched their beliefs On the contrary the 'secular' charities hide their links to commies, evangelists and islamists One of my cousins contributed to AID not knowing its links and she woke up when alerted by me

Posted by: Viren Jan 7 2005, 04:26 PM

Not related to topic but it's the same dork tongue.gif Ra says: http://www.illinimedia.com/di/opinions/1773 A student's response: http://www.illinimedia.com/di/opinions/1879

Posted by: bgravi Jan 7 2005, 06:25 PM

QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Jan 8 2005, 04:27 AM)
To my knowledge IDRF has not lost any donor I would say 99% of donors know the links of IDRF and thats why they deliberately contribute to IDRF Most donors of IDRF were looking for a charity that matched their beliefs On the contrary the 'secular' charities hide their links to commies, evangelists and islamists
GS, you are absolutely right. I donated to IDRF because of its idealogy, not in ignorance of it. And so were some of my friends. I had almost decided to donate to AID too, but held back for some unknown reason. I am now glad that I didn't donate to AID.

Posted by: k.ram Jan 8 2005, 07:07 PM

Commie attack on Hindu charity. --------- SACW/CSFH Collective, January 08, 2005, Saturday Protest BBC's inclusion of an outfit of the Hindu right on their list of Tsunami relief organizations This is a call for help. ACTION ITEM 1: Please take a minute of your time to write to the BBC protesting their inclusion of a Sewa International front group (Hinduforum.org) on their list of Tsunami relief organizations - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4131881.stm. PLEASE WRITE to the BBC online at: [Admin :deleted] ACTION ITEM 2: Consider volunteering for regular, short letter writing efforts to various media. We will send you an alert with all the information needed. Typically this shouldnt take more than a few minutes of your time a week. While we are presently concerned with the misuse of Tsunami relief, the media effort may also extend to countering Sangh based efforts on other fronts, and also monitoring the press for news stories. If interested please write to info@stopfundinghate.org As you may know, various fundraising fronts of the RSS [India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF), Sewa International USA, Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America, etc.] have once again embarked on exploiting a tragedy to raise funds for RSS activities in India (www.stopfundinghate.org). Unfortunately, the BBC has also fallen into their trap. In "Asian disaster: How to help" [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4131881.stm], the BBC has ended up indirectly endorsing Sewa International (SI) for relief work (The BBC links to http://www.hinduforum.org which prominently lists SI). You might remember that the British group, Awaaz South Asia Watch had brought out a report [In Bad Faith: British charity & Hindu extremism] exposing SI's links with the RSS[Admin :deleted] According to Awaaz's latest press release "Sewa International UK /Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh UK are currently under investigation by the Charity Commission in relation to the funds raised in the UK following the Gujarat Earthquake in 2001." Looking at these facts we urge you to write to the BBC at [Admin :deleted] and let them know that they can't legitimise organizations like SI. Once you've submitted your feedback, please also write to us at [Admin :deleted] so that we have an estimate of the feedback BBC is getting. In a similar vein many media groups in the US have been giving coverage to the IDRF and SI-USA. Given these organisations hideous record of using such funds for sowing hate, it's incumbent upon us to alert potential donors as to the real nature of these organizations. Here, we could use a LOT of help. If you're interested in being part of a media campaign please write back to us at [Admin :deleted] The campaign would involve one alert a day with a list of links to media reports which promote the 'relief' work of RSS fronts without giving the reader any knowledge of their hate driven ideology. You would then be required to write to these media agencies to counter such promotion of hindutva forces by US media.

Posted by: narayanan Jan 9 2005, 06:04 AM

OK, so how do we write to the BBC? Need to let them know exactly what these Paki morons are. tv_feliz.gif

Posted by: narayanan Jan 9 2005, 06:29 AM

Hey, I did what the criminals asked: I wrote to the BBC.

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Thanks for your list of organizations that are helping relief efforts in the tsunami-affected areas. Your list is fair, extensive, and accurate. I refer to http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4131881.stm I note from the emails circulating, that a bunch of Communist criminals are once again doing what they do best - making a lot of noise complaining about the inclusion of the most effective grassroots relief organizations in India, such as SEWA International. I'm sure you will have received "feedback" from their gang already. In 2002, the "CTSFH", "Sabrang", and the "Forum of Indian Leftists" came out with a "report" alleging that SEWA and its affiliates were funding "hate" or "violence". I am one of a citizen team who researched these allegations in depth, and thoroughly debunked and exposed the lies from the FOIL and their gang. With all the resources that they poured into a media campaign, they could not come up with a single factual "allegation" that made any sense - they were all exposed for lying. Just one link to let you know of what I write, if I may: kindly check out http://www.letindiadevelop.org You'll find much to enjoy there. We also exposed the Pakistani ISI funding links of the FOIL gang - from Pakistani newspaper reports. The same authors are also found in anti-Semitic and anti-UK, anti-democracy, generally anti-human rants all over the 'net. More recently, "AWAAZ" (in Hindi, that means "NOISE", quite apt), a UK-based gang related to the same bunch, attached SEWA in Britain. They had no basis for their noise. They were just earning their pay from their Pakistani / Saudi masters. These people are fronts for international terrorism. They know quite well that they are lying, and have been exposed for lying. They've been given enough patient hearing for their "allegations" and other nonsense. Its time for them to quit lying, or if that is congenitally impossible, to be ignored or exposed again. Thank you. Best regards Narayanan ... ......., USA
Please do write, too. http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ifs/hi/newsid_4000000/newsid_4000500/4000545.stm

Posted by: narayanan Jan 9 2005, 06:37 AM

Ramji: Could u post these "updates" from the gang with the full info - not here, but at u-no-where. Need to help them out in this worthy cause.

Posted by: k.ram Jan 9 2005, 06:56 AM

QUOTE(narayanan @ Jan 9 2005, 07:07 PM)
Ramji: Could u post these "updates" from the gang with the full info - not here, but at u-no-where. Need to help them out in this worthy cause.
Just got some updates and info in "u-no-where" rocker.gif

Posted by: k.ram Jan 9 2005, 07:03 AM

How can I upload files in "u-no-where"? blink.gif Thanks

Posted by: Kaushal Jan 10 2005, 08:26 AM

I contributed my first 365 after the initial IDRF brouhaha. AS N**3 says IDRF can now wear their certificates like a badge of honor.

Posted by: Amber G. Jan 10 2005, 03:30 PM

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Can anyone guesstimate the $ or % loss to IDRF because of the sleaze peddled by lowlifes?
In my case, I came to know about IDRF after these criminals published their "research"! I personally know a few people who made IDRF their "primary " charity after that report mainly because when did some checking, it turned out better that one can possiblly hope for. Narayanan - As always, http://www.india-forum.com/Columns/Narayanan_Komerath/Of_Winners,_Wave_Rats_and_Whinos/26/

Posted by: Viren Jan 10 2005, 04:02 PM

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Maoists 'admit' to Pakistani links Source: IANS. Jagdalpur (Chhattisgarh), Jan 10: Two Maoist leaders of Chhattisgarh have claimed that they received arms from foreign militant groups, mainly those in Pakistan. The "admission" by the Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist) leaders comes in the wake of Chhattisgarh Home Minister Brij Mohan Agarwal's charge Sunday that Maoists used Pakistani and Britain-made bullets for killing three state police personnel in Sarguja district on Saturday. Maoist commandoes Kosa and Aaytu told reporters Sunday in a hideout in the state's southern Dantewada forests, about 420 km from state capital Raipur, that they exchange notes with Pakistani militants on methods of war and accept modern weapons from Pakistan. Kosa said: "The way we made a base in Bihar, Jharkhand, Andhra Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and have been progressing in Orissa, Uttar Pradesh, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh and West Bengal, we will be able to capture 30-35 percent of India by 2010." The Maoist stronghold in these areas was due to local support, he said at the press meet organised by Maoist leaders ahead of the three-phased assembly polls in Chhattisgarh Jan 14. Aaytu said: "The police or the army cannot compete with us as we take care of the locals' daily problems and are equipped with modern weapons." The CPI-Maoist has called for a poll boycott in Chhattisgarh. The police have little jurisdiction over some areas in villages of the state's Bastar region, including Kanker and Dantewada districts.
Sigh...comrade A Roy, comrade Sandeep Pandey, comrade Prashad, comrade Vinay Lal etc.. must be so proud of these chaps. Would Sulekha types define this help from our Paki neighbours as 'matching' funds?

Posted by: Muppalla Jan 10 2005, 05:20 PM

I just got a mail from IDRF with an Appeal/Press release dated jan 3 2005 IDRF expands the reconstruction/rehabilitation operations to Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Malaysia besides India. some of prospective NGOs based in these countires are: 1) Chinmaya Mission od Sri Lanka 2) Tamil Rehabilitation Organization of Sri Lanka 3) Yayasan Keluarga Besar Chinmaya, Indonesia 4) Malaysia Hindu Sangam 5) Karuna, Sri Lanka More power to IDRF

Posted by: utepian Jan 13 2005, 09:33 AM

and now the Atlanta Journal Constitution also joins the bandwagon. Posting in full as site requires registration. http://www.sulekha.com/news/newsitem.aspx?cid=412293&com=y#focuscom Two hate-group watchdogs — a U.S.-based network of activists called the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate and the British group Awaaz-South Asia Watch — have warned donors to steer clear of any group affiliated with Sewa International or its parent, Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh. They say the groups are part of an umbrella organization that has funneled relief donations into the hands of Hindu fundamentalists following past natural disasters in India. Full Text follows: ----------------- By BRIAN FEAGANS The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 01/13/05 A largely dormant relief organization based in Duluth sprang to life just days after the South Asian tsunami disaster. Using its contacts in the Indian-American community, Sewa International USA began soliciting donations in a dozen different states to finance tsunami aid. Teams of teenagers held phone-a-thons. Next month, the charity plans to hold a volleyball fund-raiser at Mercer University called the "Tsunami Cup." And Sewa International USA says that's just the beginning. "We want to be big," said Srikanth Konda, a Duluth resident and the nonprofit group's national organizer. But the grand humanitarian aims and Konda's easy smile belie accusations dogging Sewa International, Sewa International USA's sister charity in India. Two hate-group watchdogs — a U.S.-based network of activists called the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate and the British group Awaaz-South Asia Watch — have warned donors to steer clear of any group affiliated with Sewa International or its parent, Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh. They say the groups are part of an umbrella organization that has funneled relief donations into the hands of Hindu fundamentalists following past natural disasters in India. The UK Commission on Charities is nearing the end of an investigation into Sewa International and HSS. A report is due out in February, said Rebecca Drake, a commission spokeswoman. Sewa International USA isn't the target of any probe. And Konda, a former head of the HSS chapter in Atlanta, said the accusations against Sewa International USA's affiliates are baseless. He said the critics are "Marxist intellectuals" bent on discrediting Hindu charities. "We make sure whatever the groups we are supporting in India, they don't discriminate against anybody while doing the service," Konda said. Sewa International USA has raised $40,000 so far, with another $60,000 in pledges, Konda said. Its pitch: With little administrative overhead, more than 96 percent of the funds go directly to groups already on the ground in India, Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Thailand. The initial round of checks sent to the group's post office box in Duluth will help buy fishing vessels and nets for coastal villages devastated by the tsunami, Konda said. "You know the old saying, 'Don't give them fish. Teach them how to fish,' " said the 37-year-old Konda, who owns a software company in Norcross. Even so, nagging questions surrounding Sewa International make the already complex web of relief options even more confusing for Indian-Americans in metro Atlanta. The outpouring of sympathy for their native country, which lost up to 8,000 people in the deadly waves, isn't likely to ebb soon. And as the U.S.' wealthiest immigrant group, Indian-Americans have much to give. But the relief money is headed to a country with a long history of Hindu-Muslim violence. Christians and Sikhs also have complained about violence by Hindus, which make up more than 80 percent of India's population. The modern political landscape is hazy for many, particularly Indian-Americans who left the world's largest democracy two decades ago. "We need something like Consumer Reports for charities," said Narsi Narasimhan, founder of the Indian Professional Network in Atlanta. Narasimhan said even when a watchdog barks, it's hard to tell if the watchdog itself has a hidden agenda. So unless British, Indian or U.S. authorities issue a warning about Sewa International USA — which they haven't — the group deserves a spot on the list of tsunami relief charities Narasimhan sends to professionals around metro Atlanta, he said. A February 2004 report by Awaaz-South Asia Watch alleged widespread misuse of funds collected by India-based Sewa International for victims of a 1999 cyclone and a 2001 earthquake. The money actually helped fund Hindu nationalist schools with anti-Muslim, anti-Christian teachings, according to the report from Awaaz, a coalition of Indian academics and attorneys in Britain. Temples were rebuilt while mosques were left in ruins, Awaaz said. And the funds fomented sectarian hatreds that fed riots in Gujarat in 2002, Awaaz concluded. Nearly 2,000 people died, mostly Muslims, after a Muslim mob attacked a train full of Hindus in the Indian state of Gujarat. Ra Ravishankar, a spokesman for the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate, said Sewa International is one of several groups affiliated with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, which has supporters at all levels of government in India. He said RSS fronts have a history of using natural disasters to raise money. "This is when people get very emotional about these things," he said. "They don't check out where the money is going." Ravishankar, a University of Illinois engineering student who was raised as a Hindu in India, said the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate is a coalition of students, professionals and intellectuals who share a common concern about groups exacerbating sectarian hatreds in India. Konda said he's yet to encounter a potential donor concerned about the criticisms, which he said shouldn't slow donations. With no offices, Sewa International USA is operating out of its volunteers' homes and offices, Konda said. The nonprofit group has similar fund-raising operations under way in a dozen other states, from Alabama and Florida to Texas and California. Its goal is to have a presence in nearly every U.S. state by the end of the year, Konda said. The nonprofit group's pleas have appeared in newspapers, TV station Web sites and Indian-American Web sites around the country. Sewa International USA also has created an 11-person advisory committee that will help decide how to use the funds. Members include Subhash Razdan, former president of the National Federation of Indian American Associations; Shiv Aggarwal, owner of the Global Mall in Norcross; and Mukesh A. Patel of the Shakti Mandir Hindu Temple in Lake City. Aggarwal, who chose the Global Mall name to connote inclusiveness, said RSS-inspired groups have been doing good around the world for more than 80 years. He said the advisory committee will make sure the same is true of Sewa International USA. "They're not just there to help one sect," he said. "Our goal is [to help] the overall human race."

Posted by: Viren Jan 13 2005, 01:43 PM

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The UK Commission on Charities is nearing the end of an investigation into Sewa International and HSS. A report is due out in February, said Rebecca Drake, a commission spokeswoman.
From the Atlanta fishwrap itself laugh.gif Oh well, expect all sorts of red worms, maggots and low lifes crawling out of the woodwork between now and then dry.gif

Posted by: Viren Jan 17 2005, 11:19 AM

This http://www.tarksheel.com/asia.htm wink.gif has a list of the 'usual suspects'. Enjoy - and please don't forget to report back anything of interest you might find there.

Posted by: Mudy Jan 17 2005, 11:28 AM

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This Links "of interest" has a list of the 'usual suspects'. Enjoy - and please don't forget to report back anything of interest you might find there.
All criminals are on one page. No surpise here. I still can't believe such a huge list of anti-Indian scum bags.

Posted by: Viren Jan 17 2005, 03:50 PM

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Full Text follows: ----------------- By BRIAN FEAGANS The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 01/13/05 A largely dormant relief organization based in Duluth sprang to life just days after the South Asian tsunami disaster. Using its contacts in the Indian-American community, Sewa International USA began soliciting donations in a dozen different states to finance tsunami aid. Teams of teenagers held phone-a-thons. Next month, the charity plans to hold a volleyball fund-raiser at Mercer University called the "Tsunami Cup." And Sewa International USA says that's just the beginning. ..............
Came via email from someone who wrote to the Editor of the Atlanta fishwrap..
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Dear Editor, A little due diligence would have saved Mr. Feagans from being used as a mouthpiece for an unwarranted Communist attack (Jan. 13) against the tsunami relief efforts of Sewa International. Had he heeded the caution from a community leader to check up on the people making the noise, he would have found what we all know - the so-called 'Campaign to Stop Funding Hate' (CTSFH) is a hate campaign led by the Forum of Inquilab (Revolution) Leftists (FOIL). The FOIL is a Marxist Communist organization which attacks all democracies – while conducting propaganda for the Taliban, the Iraqi bombers, and anti-Israel terrorists. In 2002, the same entities attached the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF). The "evidence" they presented to "prove" anti-Islamic "bias": that the IDRF had sent $25,000 to help the families of New York firefighters killed in the 9/11 terrorist atrocity. Their reasoning: "The victims were mostly non-Muslim, while the perpetrators were Muslims". The latest attack from the CSFH was first published on the website of PakistanNews.com. Next to another gem: "4000 Israelis escaped WTC on 9/11" The CSFH also made a lot of noise in the UK, forcing the UK Charities commission to look into their charges. The Commission exonerated Sewa International and has since ignored the communists. Due diligence. Its all there on the internet for Feagan to have spent 30 minutes finding. The CSFH was thoroughly debunked and laughed off, as "Ra" Ravishankar, who now abuses his U. Illinois email address by sending slander, is perfectly aware. As columnist at the 'The Daily Illini' and member of the "Editorial Collective" of "Ghadar", the journal of the FOIL, Mr. Ravishankar is well known for his anti-Semitic and anti-US rants. Caught lying by other students, his co-columnist has apologized; "Ra" is still to find the honesty to do so. One wonders what "Ra" wrote on his application for a non-immigrant student visa about the reason for being allowed into the US, and his communist associations, but the fact is that he appears to be spending his time attacking Israeli PM Ariel Sharon, U.S. President Bush, and all other democracies. It is a shame that a fine city like Atlanta is belittled by the quality of journalism in its largest newspaper - Feagan has allowed the AJC to be used as a gullible platform for Communist propaganda. As for Sewa, we know that they are exactly what they claim to be - a charitable organization which believes that Service to Humanity is the highest form of Service to The Almighty. Of course "Ra" doesn't believe in anyone mightier than Comrades Lenin and Mao. Sincerely,

Posted by: Amber G. Jan 19 2005, 12:07 PM

Will someone please take timeto write to the editors : http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/bal-te.md.rivals18jan18,0,214173.story The same story is picked up by others too eg: Baltimore Sun.

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Questions about groups' agendas have popped up on South Asian Internet discussion forums. AnThe Campaign to Stop Funding Hate has warned against contributing to certain organizations. d some South Asian immigrants have taken to forming their own nonprofit groups to avoid even the appearance of being political. The underlying concerns are the same - that billions of dollars, if funneled into the wrong hands, will be used to push a particular political agenda. The concerns are not limited to Sri Lanka. B]The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate, an international coalition of academics, has focused its attention on Indian organizations.[/B] On its Web site, the coalition appeals to donors to "ensure that their well-intended donations do not end up in sectarian hands." "It is our combined responsibility to ensure that this tragedy does not provide another opportunity for communal/hate groups to gain a foothold in a plural society," it says. One of its targeted groups is the Rockville-based India Development and Relief Fund, a national group that has raised more than $14 million since its inception in 1989. But the Coalition to Stop Funding Hate contends that most of IDRF's local partners are affiliated with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Hindu fundamentalists accused by human rights organizations of inciting violence against Muslims. "If you look at the organizations that are recommended by the IDRF, you're going to find some well-known RSS groups," said Ra Ravishankar, a member of a coalition that produced a 2002 report on the IDRF. "The links are pretty obvious. They're just doing what they've always done." Vinod Prakash, president of the organization, dismissed such accusations, pointing to a study it commissioned dispelling the charges. The group has received more than 2,000 donations and has expanded the scope of its mission to Sri Lanka and Indonesia, Prakash said. "We've already sent $20,000 for relief out of our reserve funds," Prakash said. "We're not just here for relief and rehabilitation," but also for the long term.
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Posted by: G.Subramaniam Jan 19 2005, 12:14 PM

The author of this is a Sumathy Reddy

Posted by: Viren Jan 19 2005, 02:10 PM

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Sulekha's webpage lists the contributions ostensibly collected for the relief of victims of the recent tsunamis. The catch is that the "matching fund" was created by halving the contributions received by sulekha.
Rajesh, Got this in mail...
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Per their technique, I figure that I paid for the whole Federal budget. I gave $10, and it was matched a trillion times from Matching Donations. I multiplied by money by a factor of 10**11
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Posted by: k.ram Jan 20 2005, 06:52 PM

A Glaring Omission of Hindus contributions to Tsunami Victims HICAD Promoting Diversity, Pluralism and Tolerance Date: January 19, 2005 Ecumenical News International Tel: (41-22) 791 6088/6111 PO Box 2100 Fax: (41-22) 788 7244 CH - 1211 Geneva 2 Email: eni@e... Switzerland Dear Editor: Ecumenical News International Daily News Service of 14 January 2005 reported under the headlines “World gives for tsunami recovery, but urged not to forget other crises” (ENI-05-0027 ) By Peter Kenny: “All over the world Anglicans, Baptists, Lutherans, Orthodox, Pentecostals, Presbyterians, Roman Catholics, the Salvation Army, Seventh-day Adventists and people from other denominations and faiths like Baha'i, Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims have opened their wallets and given generously.” While I agree with the statement that those faiths and denominations listed above have indeed given generously, I am appalled to note that the Hindu faith is not mentioned in the list at all. I am left wondering if the omission is deliberate or if the writer is simply ignorant of the fact that the third largest faith group on the planet is Hinduism. From the time of the tsunami disaster, Hindus from all over the world have donated many millions of dollars for the victims. Here is a short list of Hindu organizations in New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania area that have been collecting and sending funds to India, Sri lanka, Thailand and Indonesia. AIM for SEVA, Saylorsburg, PA Asian Indian Chamber of Commerce BAPS Care International Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan Gayatri Pariwar of NE America Hindu American Temple & Cultural Center IDRF (India Development & Relief Fund) Indo-American Seniors Organization of NJ Jersey City Asian Merchants Association Mahatma Gandhi Center & Hindu Temple PMVS – Vraj and Indi Corp Share & Care Additionally, please see attached a glimpse of charitable activities of several Hindu organizations in India who reacted immediately and offered boundless help to all victims. Ved P. Chaudhary President - HICAD Attachment: charitable activities of Hindu organizations in India “By 10:30 on Sunday – 90 minutes after the first waves struck, with the waters still high and turbulent, volunteers had moved out to the stricken areas[i] – saving numerous lives. By noon, eight tents and seven shamianas were erected on a field near one of the Auroville communities[ii]. “Two portable 5,000 litre tanks, two generators, a field kitchen with four cooking ranges, were put into service. Three of Auroville's load carriers, two tractors and two buses to pick up refugees were also commissioned... By 2 pm, 750 people were fed. Another 1,200 people were fed in the evening. Blankets were arranged as the night was cold and windy.” By the 27th, Sewa Bharathi volunteers had distributed nearly 26,000 food packets in villages. 5 medical camps, over 50 temporary relief camps, medical vans, 700 Sewa volunteers removing over 1500 bodies, joined efforts with the Ramakrishna Mission at Kolachel, and the Vivekananda mission at Kanyakumari. Large amounts of purified water packets, food, clothes and blankets were trucked to Nagapattinam. Women in Bangalore[iii], the city that ships software and engineers all over the world, hand-rolled, cooked and packaged 25,000 chapattis per day into ready-to-eat meals “(three in a pack along with sachets of sugar and pickle”), and putting them on the 7pm express bus across to the east coast. Dr Thanammai of Kolachel’s hospital went into action at 10:45 on Sunday – and at last check had been going 4 days with 3 hours of sleep each. Bharati Prasad of Delhi has been running her telephone and ham radio from Port Blair reuniting families separated by the disaster – she had taken 3000 calls in the first few days. Dandapani Kadirvel, district engineer, is at his desk from 7:30AM to midnight, assigning donations of relief supplies to truck drivers. By December 30, AID-INDIA volunteers had started relief efforts[iv]; helping to coordinate relief supplies, drive delivery trucks, concentrating on 7clusters of 30 villages in South Tamil Nadu and around Chennai. They also provided gloves and masks to those removing the dead. A week after the disaster, the catamarans of Nagapattinam were on the sea again, put back in business by Indian Army engineers. The Army also brought in mobile desalination plants, built bailey bridges, and cleared roads. Helicopters were taken in through Myanmar from where they could make the hop into the Andamans – a job that must have taken some intricate diplomacy. The huge change that we saw was the swift common sense of cooperation: “The Administration has requested us to take charge of two relief camps[v] in the vicinity of Port Blair.” Web “blogspots” simply posted information. “There are only 14 camps and around 40000 people are housed. All these camps are being run by us.”[vi] Volunteer organizations sorted out priorities: “Compared to other districts in Tamilnadu the damages suffered by Chennai city is on a lesser scale. But Media and NGOs are concentrating only on Chennai. Therefore Volunteers[vii] are engaged in relief work in areas like Pazhaverkadu and Kovalam...” “Chennai has never seen anything quite like this before. Lawyers, doctors, IT professionals and chartered accountants are taking one and two months of leave to clamber on trucks piled high with relief material and head to remote tsunami-struck villages to help volunteers find, lift and bury rapidly decomposing bodies. Young people are packing knapsacks and hitching lifts to the coast to offer both brains and brawn in an attempt to help devastated villagers. Students from city schools and colleges are sitting up late, sifting through and meticulously cataloguing the never-ending flood of food, vessels, clothes and money, coming from all over the world, everyday….In the slums, men and women, who can barely afford a daily square meal, are collecting Rs. 5 per head to help the tsunami victims. Teenagers from poor housing colonies are going from door to door, raising tens of thousands of rupees in the process. Along the coast, in every colony, people are collecting money to help neighbours who have lost everything” --------------------------------- [i] “Summary of IDRF / Sewa Bharathi relief efforts in South India. Dec. 26 : Relief efforts by Sewa Bharathi volunteer groups started by 10:30 am on 26th December”. http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/4ea313418939c31185256f7a00615235?OpenDocument [ii] Francois Gautier, “Auroville rallies to help Pondicherry”. Rediff, December 30, 2004. fisherfolkhttp://www.rediff.com/news/2004/dec/30franc.htm [iii] Deccan Herald News Service: “Chapati mela all over City: Adijagatguru Sri Shivaratreshwara Bagavatha Jayathi Mahotsav Samiti has decided to send over 1.5 lakh chapattis to the tsunami-hit areas.” Dec. 31,2004. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/dec312004/s4.asp [iv] Association for India’s Development: “AID begins relief efforts in tsunami hit area. Appeals for contributions towards relief and rehabilitation. For Immediate Release: December 30, 2004.” http://twiki.aidindia.org/pub/Tsunami2004/WebHome/AID_PR_December_30_2004.pdf [v] SEEDS for disaster resilient communities: http://www.seedsindia.org/ [vi] Indian Development and Relief Organization. http://www.idrf.org/ [vii] SEWA International. http://www.sewainternational.org/

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 21 2005, 02:59 PM

This BS continues..Written in Tribune by Ashish Kumar Sen in section "Washington Diary". http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050119/edit.htm#6

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AS non-resident Indians dig deep into their pockets to help the tsunami victims, there is a heightened concern that sectarian groups are exploiting the tragedy for their own divisive goals. Secular groups across the United States and Britain are specifically apprehensive about the US-based India Development and Relief Fund; and overseas chapters of the RSS, Sewa International and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad. Mr Chetan Bhatt, a reader in sociology at Goldsmiths College, University of London, has studied the proliferation of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh affiliates in the NRI community. He says in India the RSS is trying to “penetrate the southern states” under the guise of providing tsunami relief. “The RSS has had little success in South India and it hopes to spread its influence like it did in Orissa after the cyclone (in 1999) and in Gujarat following the earthquake (in 2001),” he said, adding that, “There is a pattern where you have a natural tragedy, the RSS launches an appeal and this is followed by a dramatic expansion of Sangh activities in the area. This expansion has invariably been accompanied by violence.” Established in 1925, the RSS advocates Hindu nationalism and seeks to convert India into a “Hindu Rashtra (Nation).” The RSS has been banned thrice in India, most recently in 1992 after the demolition of the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya. The RSS is not permitted by the Government of India to accept funds from abroad. Instead, US affiliates, which include IDRF and HSS, serve as fronts for organisations like Sewa Bharati, Jana Sankshema Samiti and Vivekananda Kendra in India, all of which are intrinsic parts of the RSS operations and subscribe to its anti-minority ideology. An ex-employee at the World Bank and a former member of the RSS, Maryland-based IDRF founder Vinod Prakash has in the past said IDRF has given “absolutely no money to the RSS.” In 2002, the US-based Campaign to Stop Funding Hate (CSFH) documented links between IDRF and RSS affiliates in India. Biju Mathew, a professor of business at Rider University and a member of the campaign, says of the long list of organisations that IDRF claims to support, only Sewa Bharati (Tamil Nadu and Kerala), Jana Sankshema Samiti (Andhra Pradesh) and Vivekananda Kendra (Tamil Nadu) are clearly identified as RSS affiliates. “Sewa Bharati [in Tamil Nadu] is housed in the same office as the Southern Region branch of the RSS,” said Mr. Mathew. In London, the Charity Commission is investigating Sewa International (U.K.) and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad following a number of complaints, including one from Lord Adam Patel of Britain’s House of Lords. “Lord Adam Patel claimed that not all the funds raised by the Gujarat Earthquake appeal (by Sewa International and the VHP) were applied in accordance with the appeal,” said Sush Amar, public relations manager at the Charity Commission. She said the commission has not placed any restrictions on fund-raising campaigns by these groups during the course of the investigation. Mr James Bishop, director of humanitarian policy and practice at Washington-based InterAction — the largest alliance of US-based international and humanitarian non-governmental organisations, acknowledges a precedent in which humanitarian tragedies have been exploited by “certain individuals and groups that posed as legitimate charities and engaged in fraud.” Mindful of these incidents, the Chicago-based American Institute of Philanthropy, a non-profit charity watchdog, has instructed Americans to send tsunami aid “to only those charities with an established track record of helping people in this region.” “During a highly publicised crisis, it is common for disreputable, fly-by-night ‘charities’ to take advantage of the public’s generosity,” the institute cautioned. Complaints about unequal distribution of aid in the tsunami-hit regions in India have started to pour in to human rights organisations. Brad Adams, Asia Director of Human Rights Watch, says the New York-based group has received reports of discrimination against Dalit communities in India by the authorities as well as by some aid groups and local communities. Noting the presence of a significant Dalit Christian population among the affected communities, Mr Mathew said the RSS, through its Tamil Nadu front — the Hindu Munnani — “has been trying to divide that community along religious lines for the last decade.” “The Hindu Munnani is most active in Tamil Nadu amongst the fisher folk communities,” he said “With an influx of funds, the Munnani will be able to launch an aggressive campaign against the Dalits. The region is prone to a fairly bad communal situation.” The emergence of Sewa International (US) and its role in tsunami relief efforts, Mr Mathew said, “is a matter of concern but also shows that IDRF has been affected by negative publicity and the Sangh felt the need to float a new front.” Secular groups have, in the past, been criticised for focusing on the activities of the RSS and its affiliates. After IDRF’s links to the RSS were exposed in 2002, a group calling itself Friends of India put together “A Factual Response to the Hate Attack on the India Development and Relief Fund.” Defending IDRF from charges of being discriminatory, sectarian and deceptive the Friends of India report said: “If indeed IDRF wanted to be deceptive, would it put up all the details of funds received and distributed for everyone to see on the Internet?” The group also noted that accusations that the RSS’ accounts are never audited publicly “does not have any meaning because audits are conducted of individual organisations that handle money. A group of people sharing common ideals has no need of any ‘audit’ except in communist or Islamic dictatorships.” In defence of its work, CSFH said: “While it is important to oppose all sectarian organisations, including fundamentalist Christian and Muslim groups, who wait in the wings to pounce whenever tragedy strikes, it is far more important to confront and expose the RSS in India because it is exponentially more powerful than any other such exclusionist organisation.”

Posted by: narayanan Jan 22 2005, 07:02 AM

Seen in the email. Authors says - feel free to post anywhere. To Tribune India editors Re: " Taking advantage of public generosity" by Ashish Kumar Sen Dear Editor: His Maosters' Voice for the Red Chinese Communists, Ashish Kumar Sen again does what he does best - unfounded innuendo, misrepresentation and blatant political propaganda. Mr. Sen is welcome to his politics - but not to lie about others in an attempt to put sand in the mouths of orphans, leprosy patients, poor tribal kids, and all the other innocents served by SEWA, IDRF and other organizations which he keeps slandering. Lets see: 1) The "RSS" is not just "trying to enter the south". In 2002, Sen published an unfounded attack on the India Development and Relief Fund. As he knows, several of the projects funded by IDRF in the past decades are in Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka - last I checked, these are in the "South". Vivekananda Medical Mission, Krishi Prayog Parivar, Aurobindo Ashram, Ramakrishna Mission, to name a few off the top of my head. All "hate" organizations in Sen's view. 2) By 10:30 am on Dec. 26, it was the "RSS" and "SEWA", working with other brave volunteers, who were pulling survivors and victims from the water - not Sen and his Mao-worshipping goons. Sen's "secular" charities - the Association for India's Development (AID) - claim to have "started" relief efforts with their Naxalite-linked Communist buddies the DYFI, SFI etc. on December 30. Four days later. More may be seen on their ethics, tactics and violent terrorist links elsewhere. Sen of course fails to mention any of that - why depart from a long tradition of terrorist-supporting dishonesty? 3) When Sen speaks of "secular groups across the US" he means his Comrades "Professors" Biju Matthew and Vijay Prashad - Communists living off private colleges for the rich in New Jersey and Connecticut, the Pakistani ISI-funded "Kashmir Researchers" of the "Friends of South Asia" in California, and their "Forum of Inquilabi Leftists" comrades in Illinois. These define Indian "secularism" about as well as Sen's conduct defines "honesty". 4)As always, Ashish Kumar Sen does not produce a SINGLE fact to indicate that anything done by the SEWA or IDRF has in any way been bad. Being attacked by Sen and his Communists and Paki terrorist ilk is usually a sign that one is a good human being. 5) The Friends of India Report debunking the lies of Sen and his Communist-Pakistani buddies said a great deal more than what Sen says. It disproved all "points" in the Commie report, and sorted them out into lies, whines, and laughs. 50% were best categorized as "laughs", being such outrageous lies. You can find it on the 'net, free. See www.LetIndiaDevelop.org 6) The Daily Illini, the University of Illinois student newspaper, fired Sen's buddy and FOIL report co-author "Ra" Ravishankar after other students pointed to his standards of honesty. Don't hold your breath waiting for OUTLOOK to show any such standards about Sen and his ilk. 7) Sen lies when he describes Comrade Biju Mathew as a Professor. Biju has never got promoted to the rank of Professor - not even at "Rider University". In the US, we thank AK Sen, Biju Mathew et al for a huge service: They are the best advertisements for the IDRF and SEWA. They converted thousands like me to a new perspective, based on careful examination of the activities and standards of Sen and Biju, and those of the organizations which they attack so desperately. Best regards *********** Co-author, Friends of India Report debunking the hate attack by Ashish Sen's buddies Biju Matthew, Sabrang and the Forum of Indian Leftists. ******* USA

Posted by: chandramoulee Jan 22 2005, 08:56 AM

RSS and AIM for SEWa were the first organisations to plunge into relief work even from 10-30 AM of the 26th as Narayanan says. Yet they were systemtically ignored by the media. there were ocasions when the cameras were turned off and away when the identity of the relief workers were found to be RSS ! But these chaps were not after publicity and went on with their work. 'CHO' Ramaswamy of Thughlakh was so incensed about it that he devoted a page in two consequitive numbers of his magazine just to highlight the service being rendered by RSS.

Posted by: narayanan Jan 22 2005, 12:08 PM

Any way to get copies of those pages from Cho - w/ or w/o translation?

Posted by: chandramoulee Jan 22 2005, 10:20 PM

Articles about the service being rendered by RSS and similar organisations appeared in the 'Thughlak" magazine of Cho on the issues dated 12-01-05 and 19-01-05. I do not think there is an 'on- line' edition of this magazine. I shall try and translate these articles; but this may take some time.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 22 2005, 11:10 PM

Chandramoulee-ji, Even if you can scan the whole article here then somebody can xlate ?

Posted by: chandramoulee Jan 23 2005, 08:37 AM

Rajesh ji, I have translated the first part. Here goes: I am sorry that I do not have the equipment to scan the pages of the issues. However I can do a fast and faithful( I hope) translation of the article. In the issue of the Thughlak of date 12/1/05 the editorial deplores the manner in which politics enters even human tragedies. Titled POLITICS EVEN IN THIS Cho concludes his piece thus...in all these wrong approaches some NGOs, along with other independent voluntary organisations including RSS (yes, because the print and visual media are bent upon hiding their efforts, we are particularly mentioning RSS)are doing laudable work..... Now to the article under Tsunami relief, Titled, Work Done By RSS (RSS aatriya paNi) We are being flooded with news regarding the havoc wrought by the Tsunami.The TV channels and print media have various news stories. Sometimes they make us puzzle about their veracity. Various organisations have engaged themselves in relief work. At the same time efforts are also being made to ignore and deliberately hide the parts played by some of them. Yet the fact that so many individuals and organisations engaged themselves in bringing succour to the affected proves that human compassion is not dead yet.. Organisations such as the Rashtrya Swayamsevak Sangh, Ramakrishna Mission,the organisations of Swamy Dayananda Saraswati and that of the bhakthas of Sri Sri ravishankar have all pitched in to help. The affected fishing commucity says that the work of RSS is laudable. While the Tsunami struck the entire coast line of Tamilnadu nine districts were particularly affected badly. The concerned authorities admit privately that it was the RSS spondored Sevabharathi which did yeoman work everywhere. Politics forbids them to acknowledge this in public! Before the Central and State Governments and other political parties realised the seriousness of the situation Sevabharathi had entered the field. There was an earthquake on the early morning of the 26th. The Tsunami struck by 8-45 AM. By 10 AM the volunteeres of Sevabharathy started their relief work. Relief camps have been started at Tondiarpet in North Madras and Tiruvallikkeni in South Madras. The affected were given shelter there with lightning speed. RSS volunteers engaged themselves in taking the injured to medical centres at the same time. Centres were started for those willing to help. People were sheltered in Marriage Halls before 12 Noon. By 1-30 feeding the refugees had started. Blankets were issued by the evening. While Sevabharathy was busy in such relief work at Chennai, its volunteers were engaging themselves in relief work in other regions of Tamilnad. It so happened that in some districts the District authorities themselves invited the RSS workers to come and help as some of the District Collectors were aware that RSS is known to offer such service during calamities. Sevabharathy of the RSS was the first to enter the field in all the places. 2500 volunteers of Sevabharathi have rendered service in 208 places in 9 districts. The affected fishermen communities, though brave were disoriented by the enormity of the scourge. Many officials were clueless about how to meet the situation. Even the people who were concerned with sympathy to the affected were frozen by the suddenness of the attack. Because Sevabharathy started this operation hundreds of lives were saved. Valavan, Sastry and two others saved 78 persons from death at Nagore.Danasekaran retrieved 25 persons at Kilinjalmedu,near Karaikal.Ramesh and Mekkavan saved 4 on the Palar firth near Kalpakkam. At Kilinjalmedu again Ganesh and another volunteer boared a floating boat and entere the sea to save six fishermen struggling for life. Sevabhaathy had started rehabilitaing people fleeing from the waves losing their houses, boats nets etc., such as feeding them, settling them in dry places etc during the first day itself. Medical relief was also made available in all those 208 places spread over 9 disticts. On the morning of the 26th it was feared that hundreds might have lost their lives. But as the day went by news about stupendous loss of life satrted coming in.The task of even taking the dead bodies to the mrdical centres appeared too daunting. It was Sevabhaathy workers who dared to venture into seashores and retrieve the bodies. From the beginning of the calamity on the morning of the 26th upto writing this on the 2nd January the number of dead retrieved by Sevabharathi is 2469! There have been occasions when some have been rescued alive while searching for bodies. In Knyakumari District while trying to retrieve some bodies stuck in a thorny bush a moan of a girl was heard. This girl who was struggling for life for two days was saved and admitted to hospital by them. The persons who were in the forefront of this mighty releif operations were Keshav Vinayagam Bhaktavatsalam and Sthanumalayan who are State Officials of the Sevabharathy and the joint Secretary of the Akhila Bharatiya Vidyarthiparishad, Sri Surendran. In addition to the RSS volunteers of the affected districts, RSS workers from various other districts have also got themselves involved, Like minded persons such as students from the Madras Vivekananda College, Sona College of Salem, Government College of Coimbatore and their compassionate friends have also entered into the relief operations. Like the above, people from Lucknow, Agra, Bangalore, Orissa Pune and similar such places have thrown themselves into relif work organised by the RSS. The problems encountered by them, the obstructions, blockades, neglects as well as the help offered during the operations are legion. The behaviour of some Political parties and Government Officials as experienced by these volunteers remains embedded in their memory. Above all the exemplary behaviour of the affected fisherfolk is in their treasured memory.. ( the article is written by Vasanthan Perumal and is only the first part appearing in the issue of Thuglak of 12-01-05)

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 23 2005, 11:23 AM

rocker.gif May God bless the RSS guys !! We should hold on to the magazine - this might be helpful for people who write articles on this in future.

Posted by: arindam Jan 23 2005, 12:34 PM

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rocker.gif May God bless the RSS guys !! We should hold on to the magazine - this might be helpful for people who write articles on this in future.
The article needs to be scanned in and made available on some website -then, quoting it would be very effective.

Posted by: narayanan Jan 23 2005, 09:03 PM

Yes, if chandramoulee could mail it to one of our authorities in Chennai (hello Admins, pls help him here..) or if one of the admins / users in TN could please get this issue - we REALLY need those scanned pages, esp. for the images. Translation is not a big issue - I can put my own slightly-dramatized-forTV translation under it. Trouble so far is that a) the on-site reports in Angrezi / mainstream media are dominated by commie dorks like Dilip "Please Invade India, or at least Kick Me" D'Souza, the AID goon Amit Sinha, and other total oiseules. b) I am not having much luck trying to advise the worthies running the LetIndiaDevelop website on the simple matter of posting some images of Sewa work. Said worthy eventually posted a whole gallery of images - of people posing on deserted beaches with an organization banner. Or of politicians giving speeches. rolleyes.gif c) Sewa International site has a lot of good images, but its not the same as being able to cite independent, local sources, esp. local language publications.

Posted by: chandramoulee Jan 24 2005, 07:57 AM

I have got both the articles scanned and the CD is expected to be delivered to me in the morning. Shall transmit it as soon as I receive it.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 24 2005, 07:42 PM

http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=63243

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[India News]: Nagapattinam, Jan 21 : The RSS Seva Barathi, Gujarat, today handed over 108 temporary relief shelters it built at the fisheries complex in this town, to families of fishermen, whose homes were destroyed in the Tsunami. The Seva Bharathi, which has been undertaking relief work in the worst-affected Keechankuppam and Akkaraipettai villages in the district since December 27 with 500 volunteers, has constructed these homes under the first phase of the programme. Dr Umanatha, sub-collector Nagapattinam, who presided, lauded the Seva Bharathi for the services rendered to the victims. The organiser of RSS Seva Barathi, Balasubramanian, said they proposed to erect 1,420 temporary shelters for fishermen at Keechankuppam, of which 1200 would be in the fisheries complex. The remaining would be erected, as soon as a suitable area was identified, he said. PTI

Posted by: chandramoulee Jan 25 2005, 05:50 AM

I have sent the scanned pages of the Thuglak numbers regarding the service rendered by RSS, by separate e-mail to Rajeshji--not knowing how to post them in this Forum here ! Meanwhile the second article has been translated and is being posted for what it is worth: "The fisherfolk have lost many lives--their properties-their habitats-their profession-the means used in their profession such as nets etc--above all they seem to have lost faith in the sea itself which was their sole means of sustenance... So only bare usual relief efforts will not be able to alter their status"---say Bhakthavatsalam, Sthanumalayan, Surendran and similar activists of RSS engaged in these relief operations. They add: "For instance out of 57 seashore villages in the Nagappattinam District about 21 villages are completely destroyed. Over 7000 have lost their lives. Over 20,000 have become destitutes. there is no news of about over 4000..no one knows whether they are dead or alive somewhere else somehow..perhaps they are dead?.. "Government servants have not even entered such places as Keechankuppam and Pappakovil. The places were so bad that they could not even try to venture into such places. Even the direct orders from their District Collectors could not make them go there.. "we entered such places and undertook relief measures. This is not to blame the Government or the Government servants..they just could not. Again the Govrnment servants have a way of doing things. there are limitations and they are used to work within such limitations. they just do not have either the training or the methodology to face when such huge calamities take place. Still one can not say that they were idle spectators! they just did not know what to do, whom to ask, where to tell as they are bound by the usual procedural parameters! "for example some one had despatched two lorry loads of rice as a measure of relief and wanted to know to whom it should be entrusted.The officials in the collectorate had no clue..time was running out..It had finally to be taken to the notice of the District Collector who was already burdened with heavy relief work--and he took a decision on what to do..such was the situation. "the most difficult job was locating dead bodies and disposing them off with due rituals. We came forward to undertake this job. But could not get stretchers or spades to dig for burying the bodies. We had to go from office to office vainly looking for them..! "Fisherfolk are real hard workers; their hard work was giving them a very good income. Suddenly they were impoverished; one has to understand their feelings. Their grief about their present sudden deprivement is difficult to describe... "we were engaged in relief work in a fishing hamlet called Devanerikuppam, near Mahabalipuram; these people had seen on their TV screens people of the Gujarat Earthquake rushing to gather the food packets being distributed for them and pitied and even laughed at their plight wondering how humans could feel so depraved and rush for mere food like that..That such a situation would repeat in their own lives also, they said, they never imagined, rueing their pathetic plight. "the fisherfolk feel humiliated to accept food packets and used clothes as they were never used to doles.They would accept a single food packet only, declining to take more even when pressed to accept more than one packet. "lots need to be done to make these people feel normal. having lost their dwelling places they are near destitutes. Some normalcy can be brought back if and when they go back to the seas. It is a long term job to rebuild their houses. The Army can do a good job here and build some temporary shelters such as tents. Before that the sites very badly affected should be entrusted to the Army to remove the debris and the dead bodies of people and animals. This can restore some sanitation. The Arasalaru Bridge in the Karaikal area is broken and only the army can repair it. "Next, something should be done to rehabilitate these people. Lots of catamarans and boats have been lost;most are beyond repair; fishing nets are gone; they need them also. Factories making fibre-glass boats have been affected much. Such boats have to come from other states only. True rehabilation will be in providing these things to them. "thirdly. these people are mentally disturbed very much. RSS has sent their women cadres to do what they can with their womenfolk. "many are so upset with their predicament that they desist from even visiting their old habitats. Perhaps they may feel better if they cry their hearts out. " RSS serves at these calamities without any thought of Religion, Language , Caste or community. Now also it does the same. Sevabharathi is not engaging itself for Hindus only. it served Christians and Muslims also. "Colachel in Kanyakumari district is a badly affected area. Muslims are in majority here.Over 200 of our workers were engaged in relief measures here. Some members of Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam of Melapalayam area of Coimbatore came and blocked the RSS workers. The RSS workers withdrew from there wishing to avoid any clash. But the locals wanted the relief measures to continue. Even Christian majority areas welcomed our workers and accepted their service. " the Sevabharathi workers who withdrew to avoid clashes with the Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam members were requested by the Government authorities to continue with their relief work . Sevabharathi joined hands with Ramakrishna Mission workers in this area. "Sevabharathi is engaging itself in these relief measures in three cardinal stages. Firstly basic relief, medical first aid and retrieval etc. Secondly, food , water shelter,clothings and thirdly to adopt 9 villages of fisherfolk from the multitude of affected places." Vasanthan Perumal

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 25 2005, 08:12 AM

Chandramoulee-ji. rocker.gif Received 2 emails with all pics - we will load it up somewhere. I will let you know. (1) awesome translations. (2) could you keep an eye out for such articles in the tamil local press. If somebody knows a blog or some website that maintains the articles/translations for RSS's good work during this calamity then please forward the translations to them. I will post the links to the images here.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 25 2005, 08:33 AM

images can be found at .. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/Thuglaq-1-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/Thuglaq-1-2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/Thuglaq-1-3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/Thuglaq-2-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/Thuglaq-2-2.jpg If I move it to some other localtion I will post here.

Posted by: Mudy Jan 25 2005, 09:57 AM

Chandramoulee, Awesome job!!! specool.gif

Posted by: ankit Jan 25 2005, 12:27 PM

I posted about this on my http://space_of_ankan.blogspot.com/, but that was before I saw this discussion. I have also tried to send emails to ppl I know and urged them to forward it. Incidentally AID is very well entrenched at my univ and it looks like this will not damage their standing by much.

Posted by: Mudy Jan 25 2005, 12:33 PM

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Incidentally AID is very well entrenched at my univ and it looks like this will not damage their standing by much.
No harm in educating people. Even one less dollar to them will help others. They have link with so called Commies/liberal/atheist who call themslves Hinduism reformer etc, collect money for these commie morons.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 26 2005, 06:49 PM

http://news.newkerala.com/india-news/?action=fullnews&id=64861

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[India News]: Nagapattinam, Jan 25 : : The role played by various Non Governmental Organisations in Nagapattinam, the worst-affected in the Tsunami disaster, in providing relief to thousands of affected people has come in for all-round praise. The NGOs distributed clothes, food, provided medical aid, retrieved dead bodies, moved victims to relief camps and ferried the wounded to hospitals, all with the help of an army of volunteers. One NGO, Ananda Marga, retrieved 285 dead bodies from the debris of various locations, while the RSS Seva Barathi retrived 1798 bodies from 27 coastal villages and cremated unidentified bodies, after handing over identified bodies to relatives, marg sources said. After retrieval, their volunteers devoted time to cleaning houses, which were slightly damaged because of sea water intrusion and removal of debris from that area. The Anand Marga relief team distributed medicines, grains, utensils, blankets, sarees, dothis and soap in Nagapattinam town, seashore areas, Nambiarnagar, Serdhur and Vallapuram villages. Nuns of the organisation from various parts of India counselled traumatised children and women, offered new clothes to orphans in a newly opened orphanage by the social welfare department on the eve of pongal 14th Jan. RSS Seva Barathi distributed medical aid to 15,000 people in 58 affected villages, food in 33, household items in 73 villages, counselling in 20 villages, besides organising entertainment for children in 29 villages, the organiser, Balasubramaniam said. PTI

Posted by: Viren Jan 27 2005, 08:50 AM

Watch out guys http://www.idrf.ca/ it's "International Development & Relief Foundation" Seems more like a 'South Asian' outfit. And who do they quote on http://www.idrf.ca/Where-We-Work/Kashmir-Ehiopia.html A Roy herself!! And don't miss the reference to 'Azad' Kashmir rolleyes.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 28 2005, 07:55 PM

Not exactly related. But this angle needs to be understood. NGOs are not governments. They are not elected. They still get public money and they should be responsible for this. http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2203/stories/20050211002404300.htm

Posted by: narayanan Feb 6 2005, 08:41 AM

According to the UK Charities Commission, AID is covering up their association with the commies. Other than that, AWAAZ and Lawd "Adam" Patel are screaming because they stepped on their own Cheneys. Didn't they wave around a "Meticulous Research Report"? Well... sounds like it was as full of facts as the Sabrang/FOIL report. Enjoy: tv_feliz.gif

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http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/investigations/inquiryreports/hss.asp Quote: Charity Commission for England and Wales Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh Registered Charity No. 267309 Introduction 1. This report is a statement of the results of an Inquiry conducted under Section 8 of the Charities Act 1993. 2. Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh ('the Charity') was registered as a charity on 29 April 1974. The object of the Charity is to advance the Hindu religion and to educate the public in the Hindu ideals and way of life. The Charity is based in Leicester. 3. Income for the Charity for the financial year ending 31 March 2002 was £1,267,570. This includes £909,112 received by Sewa International. Background 4. The Charity had set up a project arm in 1991 known as Sewa International (UK). The purpose of the project arm was to help aged, sick, poor and distressed persons. 5. On 26 January 2001 a devastating earthquake struck the state of Gujarat, India resulting in many thousands of people being killed and millions being made homeless. 6. Within a few days the Charity had launched the Gujarat Earthquake Appeal Fund ('the appeal') through Sewa International to help those suffering and to aid the rebuilding of the villages. A number of prominent people became patrons of the appeal. Issues 7. Following concerns expressed over the administration and expenditure of the appeal, an Inquiry was opened on 4 October 2002. The purpose of the Inquiry was to establish whether the funds raised had been properly applied in accordance with the terms of the appeal. 8. During the course of the Inquiry it was also alleged that the Charity had not been clearly identified on some of the appeal literature. It was suggested that the identity of the charity was important because of the alleged links between the Charity and the Hindu Nationalist Organisation Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh ('RSS'). Findings 9. Sewa International launched the appeal in January 2001 following the earthquake in Gujarat. Primary accounting records supplied by the Charity show that £2,330,000 was banked in the name of the appeal. 10. The Charity produced evidence that all the funds raised as a result of the appeal had been sent to an established Indian non-governmental organisation known as Sewa Bharati. This organisation would utilise the funds towards the rebuilding of six villages in Gujarat. 11. The Charity produced a detailed breakdown of the application of funds by Sewa International (UK) in India. The funds were utilised towards the following projects: * £1,062,000 for the reconstruction of six villages * £123,352 for schools project 1 * £1,282,352 for schools project 2 * £118,887 for other projects These amounts show that Sewa International (UK) contributed 74% of the total project costs of £3,507,914. 12. The Commission is satisfied that the trustees have taken sufficient steps to ensure funds have been applied in accordance with the appeal. In January 2004, Sewa International (UK) arranged for a delegation of 30 people from major donors to visit Gujarat to view the completed rehabilitation projects. The delegates produced a report which confirms they were satisfied that the funds had been spent in accordance with the Gujarat appeal. 13. Formal audited Accounts for the total income and expenditure of Sewa Bharati were not received. (er.... how about for AWAAZ or ActionAID? ) 14. The Charity advised the Commission in 1991 that Sewa International had been set up as a project arm of the Charity and the Commission agreed that the trustees of the Charity had the power to do this. Some of the appeal literature and the Sewa International (UK) website did not clearly identify the link with the Charity. On some items the Charity's registered number was quoted, but the name was not. 15. During the Inquiry, we have been asked to consider the alleged links between the Charity and RSS. The trustees stated that the Charity has no formal organisational links with RSS and that there is only an ideological commonality between the two organisations. Therefore, owing to the Commission being satisfied that the funds have been properly expended it was not necessary to consider any alleged links during this Inquiry. Flush.gif Outcome of the Inquiry 16. The Commission was unable to establish for itself how the funds were utilised as its request for visas to visit India to undertake an inspection visit were refused by the Indian government. laugh.gif 17. The Charity has been advised that if they wish to use the name Sewa International, all promotional material must state clearly that Sewa International (UK) is a project arm of the Charity. Wider Lessons 18. Charities working internationally, like all charities, must keep accounting records that show and explain all transactions and are sufficient to ensure that statutory Accounts can be prepared. In particular the accounting records must provide a record of assets and liabilities and details of the nature of all receipts and payments. For further information on charities working internationally see: www.charitycommission.gov.uk/supportingcharities/cwi.asp 19. Where a charity applies funds internationally it is under a duty to take sufficient steps to ensure the funds are applied in accordance with the appeal. Ideally a charity should require the organisation undertaking the charitable relief work to supply a copy of its audited Accounts. BACK TOP Last updated:3 February 2005
er... If the FOIL/CPI(M) People's War Group wishes to use the name AID, IREF, SINGH FOUNDATION, IRDF, ASHA etc., they should all mention that they are subsidiaries of the FOIL/CPI(M) People's War Group/ Lashkar-e-Toiba, shouldn't they? grenade.gif

Posted by: narayanan Feb 6 2005, 08:49 AM

From xxxxxxx To: Rebecca.Drake@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk, sarah.digby@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk,rubika.shah@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk,sush.amar@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk,antony.robbins@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk Cc: xxxxxxx Subject: From someone who investigated another terror attack by the Comrades of AWAAZ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 February 6, 2005 Ms. Rebecca Drake Charity Commission for England and Wales Rebecca.Drake@charitycommission.gsi.gov.uk Re: The Commission’s Report on the Hindu Swayam Sevak Sangh http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/investigations/inquiryreports/hss.asp Dear Ms. Drake: I read the subject report with interest, being guided there by the latest propaganda – a Press Release dated February 3 from “AWAAZ - South Asia Watch”, the gang that launched the hate campaign against HSS and Sewa International. I thank the Commission for seeing the obvious: that the charges are utterly baseless. I am distressed, however, that the Commission did not convey the real Wider Lesson to the public. They failed to convey that dishonest noise-making and propaganda from Communist Comrades and terrorists, does not reflect badly on the victims of their attacks. If AWAAZ were to publish tomorrow another of their notorious “Meticulously Researched Reports” declaring that Ms. Drake and the Lords of the Charity Commission for England and Wales are all child-molesters and serial killers, I don’t think it is enough to say, 2 years later: “The UK didn’t give us a visa to go stir up trouble in Brixton. Ms. Drake and the Commission should publish lists of all their friends and activities”. The right conclusion is: “The AWAAZ Report was utterly baseless, malicious, and its authors are shown to be knaves of the most contemptible sort, because they took money from enemies of democracy to attack orphans, leprosy patients, and others in dire need, while targeting honest people who are going about their work”. I note that the Commission’s work started in October 2002. Coincidence? In November 2002, I was part of a citizen team who investigated very similar charges in another of these “Meticulously Researched Reports” by the same general gang against the US-based India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF). In the US, this gang called themselves The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate (TCTSFH), now mutated into “CSFH”. In the UK they are more honest in naming themselves “AWAAZ” which means “noise” in Hindi. Very apt indeed. Our investigation went much deeper, and I personally spent many, many hours on the internet doing minute searches of all activities of the 185-plus grassroots organizations which had received IDRF funds. Our team did not seek to physically travel to India for the purpose either. We exercised due diligence using the internet, telephone, newspapers, and all other media, by talking at length to the parties involved, and through several open internet discussions. I ran up over $500 in personal telephone bills. We published our report on the internet, and as a book. You can read all about it, and download our reports, through this site: http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/attack_on_idrf_by_mathew.html For your convenience, I attach the Synopsis of our book below, and the Executive Summary of our report to this email message. Incidentally, I am not “HSS”, “RSS”, or anything else, nor do I have even “ideological affinity” with these or any other organization. I just happen to have donated as much money as we could spare, through IDRF to help educate children of Indian soldiers and policemen who have died trying to keep the terrorists from overrunning our democracies. I continue to do so today. I do detest liars, and that may explain why I spend a Sunday morning writing this to refute the vicious propaganda from Communist terrorists. I do hope that the UK Charities Commission in future does not allow itself to be used as a wet rag by the terrorists to beat up on honest organizations that help the most desperately needy people. If you spend any time browsing “Organizations Funded by IDRF - Sabrang/FOIL claims vs. Reality” http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/foilies/ you will see what I mean. Best regards ****** ********** Co-author, "A Factual Response to the Hate Attack on IDRF" March 2003. http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/foi_report/index.html Attachments: 1. Letter with synopsis of the book "A Factual Response to the Hate Attack on the India Development and Relief Fund". 2. Executive summary, Friends of India Report

Posted by: LSrini Feb 7 2005, 05:24 PM

Narayanan, Did you get any response from Rebecca? Not that we can expect anything from the British about conversion (they tried converting for over 100 years and did not have much to show for it!). Just curious to know how it sits on her conscience. The report is really amazing in its thoroughness. Great job!!

Posted by: narayanan Feb 8 2005, 06:26 AM

Oh, no, I never get replies to the good letters I write- so I never feel compelled to conform to their "length guidelines" or anything else. tv_feliz.gif I write to keep my own stress level down, and hopefully cause their blood vessels to burst (not that it will impede the functioning of their brains any..) Imagining them reading, is reward enough. Flush.gif

Posted by: Mudy Feb 10 2005, 09:26 AM

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HINDU FORUM WELCOMES CHARITY COMMISSION’S VINDICATION OF SEWA INTERNATIONAL UK 09 February 2005 – The Hindu Forum of Britain today welcomed the Charity Commission’s exoneration of the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh’s charity arm, Sewa International UK, over allegations that the charity had not used funds for the purposes for which they were raised. Sewa International raised over £2 million in the UK, alone to help in the reconstruction of villages devastated in the 2001 Gujarat Earthquake in which many thousands of people were killed and millions made homeless. The Hindu Forum also urged the media to announce the Charity’s exoneration in the same manner that it publicised the original investigation by the Charity Commission. The Charity Commission Inquiry, which was established to determine whether funds raised had been properly applied in accordance with the terms of the appeal, found that the funds had been properly expended and it was not necessary to consider any alleged links between the Charity and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh during its Inquiry. The Inquiry also concluded: “The Commission is satisfied that the trustees have taken sufficient steps to ensure funds have been applied in accordance with the appeal. In January 2004, Sewa International (UK) arranged for a delegation of 30 people from major donors to visit Gujarat to view the completed rehabilitation projects. The delegates produced a report which confirms they were satisfied that the funds had been spent in accordance with the Gujarat appeal.” Ramesh Kallidai, secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain said: “The decision of the Charity Commission completely exonerates the important work of SEWA International and the Hindu Forum’s steadfast support of the Charity. “The Commission’s findings demonstrate Sewa is a transparent organisation that has done nothing wrong and recognises the important contribution it plays in providing essential support to communities in India and South Asia.” He added: “The Hindu Forum and the Hindu community in the UK continue to support the Charity and I hope that the detractors who have besmirched the reputation of the Charity and Hindus in general follow the Commission’s lead and whole-heartedly back their valuable work. This Inquiry has been an unwanted distraction to Sewa, which is currently playing an important role in bringing relief to communities affected by the recent Tsunami disaster.” Dhiraj Shah, Secretary of Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (UK) commented: “We welcome these categorical findings. Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (UK) pledges to continue its’ mission of serving the society whilst ensuring that our activities remain within the legal, accounting and governance framework established by English charity law and regulated by the Charity Commission for England and Wales.”

Posted by: Amber G. Feb 10 2005, 12:31 PM

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JUDGE US BY OUR WORK – Not by Slander
But honestly aren't they ARE judged by their work. And dind't some of their leaders stood by (actually joined the criminal gang) while IDRF was being slandered? liar.gif pakee.gif guitar.gif

Posted by: bharathpremi Feb 11 2005, 12:45 PM

http://www.newstodaynet.com/11FEB/SS3.HTM Seva goes unrecognised G PRASAD Chennai, Feb 11: Food grains stored by Seva Bharathi for providing relief measures. More than three fortnights have passed since the deadly tsunami waves struck. Apart from the efforts taken by the government in providing relief measures, several NGO's and voluntary organisations are also working for the rehabilitation of the affected. One such organisation is Seva Bharathi, which has gone unnoticed, in spite of providing services to the affected. V Sundaram, retired IAS officer and honorary advisor of Seva Bharathi, who has been personally supervising the efforts taken by the organisation, is all against the media and said the print and the electronic media are full of prejudice against Seva Bharathi. He added that the prejudice was a vagrant option without visible means of support. Speaking to News Today , he said that despite the neglect of mass media in the State and the rest of India, thousands of tsunami affected people in the coastal areas of Chennai, Cuddalore and Nagapattinam have appreciated the magnificent work done by the volunteers of Seva Bharathi. Seva Bharathi, a national level voluntary service organisation, does service activities in the field of education, health, cultural heritage and empowerment of women through self help groups. Pointing out that the organisation in association with the volunteers of the RSS had reached the affected areas within hours of tsunami striking the coastal areas, he said the organisation had engaged 3300 volunteers in 14 main centres along the coastal line of Tamil nadu. As many as 75 doctors were also a part of the relief team, he added. Sensing the immediate need for pure water, 20,000 litres per day mineral water plant was installed by Seva Bharathi at Nagapattinam on 28 December, he said. Sudaram also said that the volunteers of Seva Bharathi have saved 115 lives and 2475 bodies were buried or cremated till 2 January. The organisation also maintained a daily supply of food to 30,000 people for nearly a week and currently to over 15,000 people through the 15 main relief centres. The immediate need of shelter was given first priority and survey conducted by the volunteers had shown that the total requirement would be 72,500 in 28 villages he said. Food grains stored by Seva Bharathi for providing relief measures. Remarking that out of the 1200 houses, which Seva Bharathi had planned to construct, 980 of them have been completed and work is going on a faster pace to complete the rest. He said the Seva Bharathi aimed to wipe every tear from the eye and to serve with joy and whole hearted approach. Blaming the media for not recognising the commendable works done by Seva Bharathi volunteers, he said that pure truth has been found unfit for circulation. Sundaram's daughter Renu Kumar who is a social worker from Australia has also been with the affected people of Keechankuppam and Poovanthopu Villages in Nagapattinam district for the past 15 days, enquiring their needs. She has also been working along with Seva Bharathi in these villages where the people are deprived of their basic facilities. She said her main aim was to consult with her NRI friends in Australia and the US to raise funds to sponsor children in the affected areas for their education. She said the number of children to be sponsored would depend on the amount raised.

Posted by: Sid Feb 12 2005, 08:07 AM

http://giveindia.rediff.com/story/2005/feb/12SOHM1.htm Does anyone know about them? They have put ads on rediff.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Feb 12 2005, 12:17 PM

I am 99% sure that they are a psec charity or a xtian charity Hindu charities dont have money to waste on ads Hindu money for hindu charities only Many commie and xtian charities have hindu sounding names Consider them guilty until proven innocent Rule number 1 - Give only to a proven hindu charity Rule number 2 - never forget rule number 1 So in future use the above guidelines

Posted by: k.ram Feb 26 2005, 08:39 PM

Questioning Indicorps: A Joint Statement by OY! and YSS What is Solidarity? For us at OY! and YSS [1], Solidarity has always meant a coming together for a common vision of global justice. At OY! and YSS, we see solidarity as an inclusive form of building society. We consider secularism and pluralism—defined as equality regardless of religious, cultural, and ethnic belonging—in the US and South Asia as our beginning point. We also seek to promote human and civil rights of people everywhere. As you move forward in your life, I ask you to stop for a moment and ponder the fullness of such a vision. Volunteering for a cause, a vision, a belief is one of the most inspiring and meaningful ways to enrich the lives of many around the world. Volunteering is an excellent way to express solidarity and to contribute to a vision for justice. Being South Asian Americans one of the first places we turn towards are the countries of our common heritage, the countries of South Asia. In this regard, we applaud the inspiring work of Indicorps and its volunteers in the many organizations in India. However, we have some serious reservations about Indicorps' involvement with organizations in India that preach a racist and segregationist outlook towards Indian society and culture. We have taken a strong position against the Hindu Supremacist politics of groups such as the RSS, the VHP, and the BJP in India. These organizations, commonly referred to as Sangh Parivar, closely coordinate their policies and political actions in order to usher an overall vision of Indian society as Hindu society, where minorities - be they Muslim, Christian, dalit lower caste—are relegated to the status of second class citizens. Through seemingly innocuous front organizations such as schools, hospitals, and community organizations, the Sangh Parivar advances its cause of a narrow, segregationist, and exclusionary ideology. The ideology of Sangh Parivar, known as Hindutva, is fashioned after the cultural supremacist ideologies of Nazism and Fascism. One of the early leaders of the RSS, Golwalkar, who is still revered today by these Hindutva organizations, wrote [2]: “To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races - the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole—a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.” Well, the Sangh Parivar have truly profited from this lesson. They have systematically indulged in violence against minorities. Human Rights Watch has identified them as being primarily responsible for the genocidal pogroms against Muslims in Gujarat in 2002 [3]. In the aftermath of that carnage in Gujarat, over 2000 people were killed and nearly 150,000 made homeless. Equally reprehensible was the large scale violence against women. Hence, we believe that associating with any Sangh organization provides respectability to the RSS and turns a blind eye to the violence wrought by it and its affiliates. This brings me to our concerns about Indicorps, which arise from their association with the different facets of the Sangh Parivar: Over the years, Indicorps has teamed up with many Sangh Parivar groups in India, all of them self-acknowledged projects of the RSS [4]. Here in the US, Sonal Shah herself has been a National Coordinator with the VHP of America [5], and Indicorps lists India Development and Relief Fund as an Institutional Supporter [6], working with them closely on several projects. IDRF is a Maryland based group that primarily raises funds for the RSS groups in India, many of which have been directly linked to anti-minority violence in India [7]. In Gujarat, today, the Sangh organizations create an atmosphere of uncivil political pressures and human rights activists are threatened from continuing their causes for social justice [8]. Within such hostile conditions perpetuated by the Sangh-led state government, Indicorps' accepted an award from the very same state government [9]. Indicorps decision showed an absolute apathy and inconsiderateness towards the many human rights acitivists who continue to risk their lives. It is our responsibility, our duty to stand in solidarity with the activists who to speak up for their ideals despite the adverse conditions in Gujarat. We would like Indicorps to explain why it chooses to associate with the Sangh Parivar. Is Indicorps simply not aware of their RSS connections, or does Indicorp consider itself sufficiently immune to continue working around the hateful vision of the Sangh organizations? We do not wish to imply that by working with Sangh organizations Indicorp is guilty of the same hateful vision. Nor do we suggest that Indicorps volunteers are themselves engaging in the hateful, violent ideologies of the Sangh. We do, however, believe that any association with such groups serves to advance the Sangh’s Hindutva ideologies. Finally, in an interview last year, Ms Shah tried to explain away Indicorps' reticence in taking any stance. “It is vital the group avoids taking sides, whether it comes to religious politics or the communalism in Gujarat, where much of Indicorps' work takes place.” Ms. Shah dismissed all talk about the hate ideology saying, "I'm not interested in the ideology." [10] This is where we at OY! and YSS would beg to differ. As you consider your choices of how you can express your solidarity and play a positive role in this world, don’t forget to examine things a little more closely. Each and every action takes place in a political context, every aspect of life is imbued with political choices, and it would be highly irresponsible of us to pretend otherwise. Accountability means that we try to understand the political facets of the situation and ensure that our actions are aligned with our core beliefs. And that is why we are asking Indicorps to explain its association with the Sangh Parivar, and questioning its commitment to a plural, mutli-ethnic, mutli-cultural society. Notes: 1) OY! is Organizing Youth!, and YSS is Youth Solidarity Summer. Both are political education programs for South Asian youth. Please check out www.youthsolidarity.org for details. 2) M.S.Golwalkar, `We. Our Nationhood Defined', Bharat Publications, Nagpur 1939, p.35, 1947 reprint of 2nd ed., p.43) 3) “We Have No Orders To Save You”: State Participation and Complicity in Communal Violence in Gujarat, Human Rights Watch, New York, 2002, Vol 14, Number 3 ©, http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/india/ 4) Among Indicorps’ projects with clear RSS links are Ekal Vidyalaya, Jnana Prabodhini and Dr. Ambedkar Vaidakeeya Pratishthan, Maharashtra. 5) Sonal Shah is listed as the National Coordinator for VHP-America, http://www.vhp-america.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13 6) IDRF is listed as a grant-making “Supporter” onIndicorps website http://www.indicorps.org/index.cfm?function=supporters&level=1 7) IDRF’s connections with the RSS are detailed in the report “The Foreign Exchange of Hate: IDRF and the America Funding of Hindutva” available at http://stopfundinghate.org/sacw/index.html. According to this report, over 80% of IDRF’s discretionary funding goes to RSS programs including the Vanvasi Kalyan Parishad and Sewa Bharati, both of which have been implicated in anti-minorities violence. 8) Many of HRW reports have documented the continuing harassment of secular activists and lawyers in Gujarat. See, for instance “DISCOURAGING DISSENT: Intimidation and Harassment of Witnesses, Human Rights Activists, and Lawyers Pursuing Accountability for the 2002 Communal Violence in Gujarat”, http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/india/gujarat/ 9) 19 young Indicorps volunteers are felicitated in Gujarat, Indo-Asian News Service—a news article in News India Times, Nov 19, 2004 gives an account of Indicorps volunteers receiving felicitation from Narendra Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat and also the chief architect of the Gujarat carnage of 2002 according to the Concerned Citizens Tribunal, [.sabrang.] 10) Indicorps: The Saga Continues, Rediff, Dec 2003 http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/dec/18spec1.htm

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 9 2005, 06:55 PM

Some of the comments are hilarious..

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198. TitsA Shiitalvaad Modi is a great son of India. 197. Mohan Chakravarty Pakistani morons, try to bring those of your ilk who exterminated hundreds and thousands of Hindu Bengalis to justice, stop worrying about Modi. 196. vishal saxena Welcome to USA Mr Modi. We wish you to become PM of India soon, and take Hindus ahead in this century. I reject this nefarious petition, and urge the petitioners to stop lying about Modi and BJP. Get lost Sonia Gandhi and indian psecs. 195. Shyam Why don't these goon's protest against Mush-rat's visit to India. He is the villain in Kargil war against a nation 192. Javed Anand I want to have sex with this Anjali Arondekar character. 191. PSMI Come onnn , you guys care least when Congress leaders responsible for Sikh riots come to US . You should hold congress responsible for 2500 riots that happened in India since 1950 to 1990 . Know more about riots http://www.geocities.com/hsitah9/riots.html . Did you read Col Atale article recently which pointed that Goadhra was planned by pakis to divert our army from borders whcih was planning to attack pakistan ? WELCOME MODI ! WELCOME TO U S A . the people who are opposing are South Asian gang in the new clothes who are puppets of pakistani Intelligence ISI . PSMI http://geocities.com/enemiesofbharat 190. Raju Kshirsagar HRW also charges the United States of illegally detaining hundreds of innocents in Guantanamo. Does that mean President Bush is complicit? Utter nonsense. DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PETITION. 189. Hasan Elmansoury 187. Ban Islamic Terrorists Ban Islamic terrorists from using petition online for subversive activities. Modi is a democratically elected person who has done no harm to America or it's people. I warmly welcome narendra Modi to USA. This is a bogus petition and a fraud by Islamic and communist terrorists who are dead against India's progress. 186. Bibhuti Kumar Bhattacharyya Strongly oppose this stupid petition, I am not amused to the usual motley crowd of Pakistanis and Communist anarchists trying to raise a stink. Welcome to USA Modiji. 185. V. Stalin Don't these people know Communism is Long Dead! Get a Life!! Let Modi come, speak in USA. LET INDIA PROSPER!!! 184. Jay Patel I DO NOT Support the petition, MODI is a ELECTED Representative of Gujarat . 182. Hardik I do not support this petition. Modi is an elected representative of Gujaratis and any attempt to tarnish his image is an attempt to maligin 50 million Gujarati people who voted for him. 180. Seema Nayak This is business, not politics specially the subversive kind. America has no quarrel with Modi. Disagree with the petition. Welcome Modi. 177. Suchitra Tiwari DC Collective for South Asians is part Pakistani (with no interest in India's development) that hardly opposes architect of Kargil - dictator Musharraf's visits to the White House. Why is it bothered about Modi who is just a fawcet compared to Musharraf's Niagra falls? Disagree with the petition. 175. Mohemmed Kasim I totally DISAGREE with this petition. Modi should be WELCOMEed. 172. rahul gandu I strongly disagree with this petition. When myself and my columbian girl friend were detained by FBI in Boston, it was the BJP and vajpayeeji who interviened and requested my quick release. i respect BJP and its leaders like Modi, who are honest and trustworthy. If not for mother and that SOB Rajiv, I would have been working under Modi in BJP. So, guys, you had enough and stop this crap and buy a mirror and have a look at your own face. the scum of centuries are smeared all over it. first clean it before throwing mud on tolerant and law abiding citizens. 171. sashi tharur Modi should be allowed to visit USA. Modi is a democratically elected leader of Gujarat. Islamofascists who object his visit should first see that democracy is restored in Pakistan, Saudi Arebia dn other Islamic states. This peptition is a ridiculous attempt to smokescreen the atrocities by Islamic terrorists. 169. Nidhi Muratee I completely disagree with the petition. I reached this petition as a link from a site that said 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy. Enuff said! 168. Subramanya Iyer The Indian Media loves to hate the BJP and so Modi is their excuse to project BJP for scoring brownie points and consolidating votes. Modi's only fault is not ordering the army to fire on innocents, which includes Muslims. The media is projecting like muslims did not retaliate or kill innocent hindus. The only group that endorses terrorism as a form of religious tool is the Islamists all of the world. Look at the bloody Indian History as reocorded by mughal ministers to learn about islamic atrocities through centuries. It did not start with 9/11, isalmists have been violating human rights for centuries. The humane thing to do would be to eliminate Islam from the world. It is a barbaric religion. Mr.Modi WELCOME TO THE GREAT LAND OF USA. 167. Democracy Fan Modi should be allowed into US as this is a democratic country and everybody has a right to free speech. Biased statements of bigotry against Modi are not based on reality. How many muslims have died since Godhra? None. So stop spreading false propaganda. 166. mahmood khan Islamofascists and Communist terrorists has no respect for democracy. You guys have no right to protest Modi's visit. You guys are morally and ethically bankrupt to even raise Modi's visit. Modi did nothing against America and Americans. 163. Jason Weiss This petition is from a rag-tag team of Islamofasicts out to undermine democracy. I completely oppose it. Before signing look at the track record of the authors of this petition (signitory #11 for example) who at other times wants you to spare a tear for the Taliban!!!! http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01032002/0103200254.htm 162. profit mahamad Islam is a synonym of terrorism worldwide. Islamic terrorists including the profit himself waged war against innocent people, killed, raped and looted. This is an ongoing phenomenon. Narendra Modi is a HERO and America respect him. religious intolerance of marxists and Islam costs millions of lives all over the world. they have no right to protest. let them first protest mass murderer Musharaff, Saddam Hussain and Sonia Ghandi. 160. sonia gandhi Narendra bhai is one of the best leaders India has and I wish he become the PM of India soon. Communist terrorists, who put up this petition should be imprisoned under US patriot act. They killed millions in the name of communism all over europe and asia. nepal and India are victims of the communist terrorist activities. Shame on you guys. 159. Proud Muslim Pls Invite Modi in the USA.First punish the Congress Govt for killing thousands of sikhs in 1984 riots and then think of following Modi,may god bless the souls of 60 innocent hindus burnt alive in godhra and innocent muslims in the riots.JAI HIND 157. diificult_2_fool Goddamn....being anti-India and anti-Hindu is so cool and lucrative...you get to be called an 'intellectual' , get published in the english language media , get mobbed for 'expert' sound bytes ....and best of all , get $$$ from across the border..... 156. diificult_2_fool I oppose as long as it is supported by Anti_nationals/Jehadis/Pakistanis

Posted by: Kumar Mar 9 2005, 10:07 PM

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Request for those posting. Can you please make a few comments when you post an article or reference an article. It could be just a phrase.... for e.g for the last post on this thread... The commies continue lying or something like that. That way, the reader will have some perspective. This is espcially for the benefit of new commers. Most of the article are authored by those whose views are not appreicated or opposed by many of us here on the forum. If we just post an article here without comments it may appear that the poster is in agreement with the author of the article.
Manju, Very good point! I have been meaning to say the same thing. Here is the mistake we are making on I-F and BRF both; we are simply compounding the enemy propaganda by inserting links to their viewpoints. It is a very bad idea. Unless, you are prepared to counter those viewpoints do not insert those propaganda links. Just my 2 cents!

Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 9 2005, 11:34 PM

I agree with Kumar, no point giving free publicity to anti Indian sites.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 10 2005, 03:37 AM

The beauty of free speech and ensuing free publicity is one can easily spot who the "idiot(s) is(are)" right away without anyone else raising a voice. Shows their hypocricy and deviousness in their deeds... JMT

Posted by: Viren Mar 11 2005, 09:29 PM

The exact mail with headers is pasted at: http://www.internet-haganah.us/harchives/003791.html

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From cair@CAIR-NET.ORG Wed Mar 9 13:19:04 2005 X-Gmail-Received: 3f9636b465c8ed259f701c594932c2cdaf21fcbb Delivered-To: --@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.49.23 with SMTP id w23cs17433wrw; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.82.51 with SMTP id f51mr1035946rnb; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:05:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from list2.dtic.mil (list2.dtic.mil [131.84.105.104]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si962119rnb.2005.03.09.10.05.08; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com: best guess record for domain of owner-defense-press-service-l@dtic.mil designates 131.84.105.104 as permitted sender) Received: from list2 (list2.dtic.mil [172.16.105.104]) by list2.dtic.mil (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j29D6jaA005996; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from DTIC.MIL by DTIC.MIL (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 90630 for DEFENSE-PRESS-SERVICE-L@DTIC.MIL; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:01:30 -0500 Approved-By: jbanusiewicz@HQ.AFIS.OSD.MIL Received: from dtics22b.dtic.mil ([172.16.105.86]) by list2.dtic.mil (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j29HolGR011763 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mails.dtic.mil ([131.84.1.19]) by dtics22b.dtic.mil (SAVSMTP 3.1.1.32) with SMTP id M2005030912510312081 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:51:03 -0500 Received: from h01.biglist.com (h01.biglist.com [209.123.46.101]) by mails.dtic.mil (8.11.7p1+Sun/Oct04cac) with SMTP id j29Hp4228239 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99486 invoked by uid 2057); 9 Mar 2005 17:49:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact islam-infonet-help@cair.biglist.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list islam-infonet@cair.biglist.com Delivered-To: moderator for islam-infonet@cair.biglist.com Received: (qmail 99264 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2005 17:46:30 -0000 X-Sender: cair@cair-net.org@mail.cair-net.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050309124226.038f65e8@mail.cair-net.org> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:46:46 -0500 Reply-To: defense-press-service-l-request@DTIC.MIL From: CAIR Subject: ISLAM-INFONET: 'Hardball' Host Withdraws From Controversial FL Event Comments: To: islam-infonet@cair.biglist.com To: DEFENSE-PRESS-SERVICE-L@DTIC.MIL In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 'HARDBALL' HOST WITHDRAWS FROM CONTROVERSIAL FL EVENT Convention will honor Indian official linked to Gujarat massacre (WASHINGTON, D.C., 3/9/05) - A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today applauded MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews' decision not to speak at a Florida convention that will honor an Indian official accused of complicity in the massacre of Muslim civilians. SEE: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ A representative for Matthews told the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) that a "scheduling conflict" will prevent him from attending the annual convention of the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) later this month in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, is a keynote speaker at the convention...

Posted by: narayanan Mar 12 2005, 12:26 PM

Another lie exposed. See url above on List of Signatories. Angana Chatterji, who was "Visiting PROFESSOR" at the California Institute of Hate, has now become "Associate Professor". ROTFL.gif

Posted by: Amber G. Mar 12 2005, 10:33 PM

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California Institute of Hate, has now become "Associate Professor"
Well http://www.counterpunch.org/jensen04222004.html can promote any http://www.ciis.edu/faculty/chatterji.html

Posted by: Viren Mar 12 2005, 11:39 PM

QUOTE(Viren @ Mar 12 2005, 12:29 AM)
The exact mail with headers is pasted at: http://www.internet-haganah.us/harchives/003791.html
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From cair@CAIR-NET.ORG Wed Mar 9 13:19:04 2005 X-Gmail-Received: 3f9636b465c8ed259f701c594932c2cdaf21fcbb Delivered-To: --@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.49.23 with SMTP id w23cs17433wrw; .....
This 'email spoofing' fiasco seems to be handywork of the usual suspects. A blast from the past.. http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/cyber_flimflam.html
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As the number of signatures at the LetIndiaDevelop Petition zoomed past those at the Sabrang site, several users complained that the link http://www.letindiadevelop.com was leading people to the Sabrang-sponsored site. A quick check confirmed that the worthies who showed their penchant for misleading again with this brilliantly original display of maturity were as follows: Registrant: STOP FUNDING HATE. ORG Address: ANONYMOUS ANONYMOUS, ANONYMOUS ANONYMOUS US Domain Name: LETINDIADEVELOP.COM Administrative Contact: ADMIN, ANONYMOUS info@stopfundinghate.org Address: ANONYMOUS ANONYMOUS, ANONYMOUS ANONYMOUS US 000-000-0000 Technical Contact: ADMIN, ANONYMOUS info@stopfundinghate.org Address: ANONYMOUS ANONYMOUS, ANONYMOUS ANONYMOUS US 000-000-0000 Registration Service Provider: Domainmonger.com, service@domainmonger.com +1.425-821-8032 +1.425-821-4874 (fax) http://www.domainmonger.com Record last updated on 26-Nov-2002. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.DOMAINMONGER.COM 216.98.150.33 NS2.DOMAINMONGER.COM 207.228.252.99 Anonymous Einsteins We have NOOO way of guessing who might have done this, of course.... (though by amazing coincidence, that registration is identical to the one on the Sabrang Communications / Forum of Indian Leftists "Petition" site....) But consider this brag from one of Sabrang/FOIL's early report-endorsers: No less a Saviour of India than the world-renowned Mr. Ashwin Mahesh, in "IndiaTogether Newsletter" from Nov. 2002, caught in what appears to us to be condonement, if not outright endorsement, of a cyber crime, describing such uncivilized behavior as a "cyber encounter": " In what seems to be the beginning of an escalating cyber encounter in the United States, the former blocked the web address letindiadevelop.org for their campaign. But the web address letindiadevelop.com has been purchased by SFH and redirected to www.stopfundinghate.org " Mature, Mr. Mahesh, mature indeed!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update December 12, 2002: From a friend: "It looks like the CTSFH people have been forced to come out of their veil of anonymity. At one time, the records for "stopfundinghate.org" pointed to anonymous entities. But now the records have been made public (after a complaint was filed with their registrar) Registrant: The Campaign To Stop Funding Hate P.O. Box 20136 Stanford, CA 94309 US Domain Name: STOPFUNDINGHATE.ORG Administrative Contact: ADMIN, WEBSITE info@stopfundinghate.org P.O. Box 20136 Stanford, CA 94309 US 408-586-9004 " -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Dec. 16: From a post at the Bharat-Rakshak Forum (www.bharat-rakshak.com) "The "Friends of South Asia" group, website is http://www.mindspring.com/~akhila_raman/fosa/ Note the address listed by FOSA: PO BOX 20136, Stanford, CA. " ____________________________ Update Dec. 27: The "rebuttal" posted at Sabrang's hate site, purportedly giving the LetIndiaDevelop url, still points to the Sabrang/FOIL cyber-flimflam site.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 13 2005, 02:10 PM

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http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/11125411.htm Indian charities face questions GROUPS DENY TIES TO RADICAL HINDUS By Brandon Bailey and Lisa Fernandez Mercury News The crowd at a recent tsunami fundraiser represented a swath of the Bay Area's Indo-American community: Engineers and other professionals, Hindus and Muslims and people of various political views rubbed shoulders around the buffet tables and swayed to the music of a Fiji Islands band. But if the turnout was typical of Silicon Valley's easygoing diversity, some critics say the event at the Sunnyvale Hindu Temple was tainted by episodes of sectarian violence half a world away. The two U.S.-based non-profit organizations that sponsored the Feb. 27 event have drawn fire from a loose network of left-wing activists, both here and abroad. They say the charities are using good works and good intentions to build grass-roots support for a nationalist movement that has been linked to attacks against India's non-Hindu minorities in recent years. Both charities deny those allegations. And for those who attended the recent fundraiser, the ambiguities of a religious and political dispute in India seemed even hazier when viewed from afar. Many said the event was a chance to connect with friends in busy Silicon Valley, while sending aid to another part of the world where they still have ties. They either weren't aware of the allegations involving the charities or didn't believe them. ``I have never heard about the controversy,'' said Jeevan Zutshi, a Fremont engineer and real estate agent who was among about 350 people in attendance. Zutshi said he doesn't believe the charities -- Sewa International USA and the India Development and Relief Fund -- are supporting intolerance. ``They have a track record of sending 100 percent of their money to help,'' he said. ``If I had any inclination that they were hard-core fundamentalists, I wouldn't be here.'' Don't discriminate Representatives for both charities say they don't discriminate on the basis of religion or politics. But human rights activists in the United States and Britain have focused on the charities' relations with other groups associated with a nationalist political movement that views India primarily as a Hindu state. Extremists within that movement have been blamed for episodes such as the 2002 riots in Gujurat province, which led to the deaths of 900 people, mostly Muslims. Although there is no evidence the charities have intentionally promoted violence, the activists accuse them of giving money to Indian groups that encourage intolerance toward Muslims, Christians and other minorities. Those groups may use the U.S. charities' funding for legitimate relief work, but their critics say the work helps the nationalists build support for their own agenda. ``They create the very context of divisiveness that fuels religious violence,'' charged Angana Chatterji, a San Francisco-based anthropologist and spokeswoman for the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate, an alliance of university students and faculty members who oppose Hindu nationalism. Emphasizing aid Officials of the charities dismiss their critics as Marxist agitators who see sinister connections where none exist. The officials said they are acting on Hindu teachings that emphasize helping others, adding that they distribute money to a range of needy groups -- some of which may have members who are involved in other causes. ``We have religious roots when it comes to service, but we don't discriminate based on religion,'' said Yagnesh Pathak, a local representative of Sewa International USA. Organizers said the $75,000 raised in Sunnyvale would benefit coastal fishermen in countries other than India, most of whom are Muslim. That suits Mahesh Pakala, a Fremont businessman who saw the event as a way to help tsunami victims and socialize with friends. He said he had looked into criticism against the charities and found no evidence to support the complaints. Pakala also was a key organizer of another tsunami benefit, held Feb. 20 at the HP Pavilion in San Jose, which raised more than $1 million for the American India Foundation. Both Sewa International USA and the India Development and Relief Fund were noticeably absent from the broad coalition sponsoring that event, whose organizers said they tried to keep a secular focus. Larger debate Though in many ways the dispute is more about politics than religion, the criticism of the two charities is part of a larger debate over Hindu nationalism and the related concept of Hindutva, or Hinduness. Critics say its most extreme adherents view non-Hindus as a threat to India, or as inferior members of Indian society. Defenders say they are simply showing pride in their culture and religious heritage -- which appeals to many people of Indian descent living overseas. Critics and supporters of the two charities, meanwhile, have waged a war of conflicting testimonials and posted lengthy tracts on the Internet. The debate only intensified when British authorities issued a qualified report last month on Sewa's fundraising after a major Gujarat earthquake in 1999. The United Kingdom Commission on Charities said it was satisfied that Sewa's British affiliate sent funds to an Indian group that used the money to rebuild six villages. But investigators said they couldn't view the work firsthand because the Indian government -- then led by Hindu nationalist politicians -- wouldn't give them visas. While Sewa denied any formal link, the commission said the charity acknowledged an ``ideological commonality'' with a leading Hindu nationalist organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. New York-based Human Rights Watch has blamed the Gujarat riots on a campaign by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and other Hindu nationalist groups to exploit religious tensions and build political support. India experts say the connections are subtle. Hindu nationalist groups have a strong track record of delivering aid to disaster areas, said Thomas Blom Hansen, a Yale anthropology professor who has written two books on the nationalist movement. He contends those efforts are part of a larger campaign to build credibility for a movement that views Muslims and other non-Hindus as a cultural threat. ``The explicit goal is not necessarily to take tsunami victims and turn them into warriors against Islam,'' he said. ``It doesn't happen right away. But the long-term goal is to further their own worldview.'' Although both Sewa and India Development and Relief Fund deny any political agenda, San Francisco State international-relations Professor Sanjoy Banerjee said they have funded groups aligned with the Hindu nationalist movement. The groups appear to be engaged in legitimate relief work, he added, but potential donors may want to take their politics into consideration. Contact Lisa Fernandez at lfernandez@mercurynews.com or (510) 790-7313. Contact Brandon Bailey at bbailey@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5022. ####

Posted by: Mudy Mar 13 2005, 03:09 PM

abdul_bin_mao, I did, along with couple of my friends. I cancelled my newspaper subscription, ofcourse excuse was this article. biggrin.gif

Posted by: rudravinay Mar 13 2005, 06:50 PM

I Just sent this letter to the editor of mercury news. _____________________________________________________ To: lfernandez@mercurynews.com, bbailey@mercurynews.com, editor@mercurynews.com, letters@mercurynews.com Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:40:13 -0600 Subject: Were you paid by the CSFH to get this article printed on your newspaper? Dear editor, I read with some interest the article on mercury news titled "GROUPS DENY TIES TO RADICAL HINDU" As someone quoted in the article pointed out, the relief organizations in question appear to be doing legitimate work. Why then has mercury news printed an article that paints a poor picture of IDRF and Sewa? I cannot understand why a newspaper like yours would fall prey to a propaganda of hate being conducted by the likes of people like Anagha Chatterji. I dont see any other benefit to this article being printed other than to put the IDRF and SEWA on the defensive regarding their roots and in a way to ridicule their ideology and the beliefs they follow. Your article is not going to help matters. Hindu nationalism does not threaten anybody except wherein a particular community does threatens the existence of others within India. India is diverse enough to provide space to people of all kinds, We have proved this and we will continue proving this. Your newspaper will do well to printed better articles on the Indian community than this one. The only impression one gets on reading it is one of the following: a. You were paid by the CSFH (Campaign to stop funding hate) to have this article printed b. You were used by some people in the CSFH to propagate their views and to manufacture consent. It will be good if you can be more careful in the future. Regards, Rudra Vinay

Posted by: narayanan Mar 13 2005, 07:30 PM

Can people in the Bay area just CALL UP the newspaper and blast the heck out of them? Ask what sort of idiots they have for reporters, and why they give so much credibility to damn commies and terrorist-supporters. The Mercury-News is not a bad paper. In the past when we've written to their stupid reporters, they've actually responded. Not the brightest bulbs on the porch... but these two have the collective IQ of a FOIL member. Demand to talk to the Editor, then the reporter(s). Be polite, but pretty mad. I think the direct approach works best. If they sweet-talk to you, well... don't fall for it.

Posted by: ashyam Mar 14 2005, 01:12 AM

I sent the following mail to SJ Mercury ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From : Sent : Monday, March 14, 2005 1:39:21 PM To : lfernandez@mercurynews.com, bbailey@mercurynews.com, editor@mercurynews.com, letters@mercurynews.com Subject : Your article - Indian Charities face questions Dear Editor, I was really shocked to see such an article on your paper which wanted to put IDRF and Sewa Internatinal in bad light. I have been tracking this issue ever since this issue came and I'm pretty much convinced that "Campaign to Stop Funding Hate" is a mischief of Indian communists based in US (I'm not sure if they really admitted that they are members of a communist party in their visa/green card application, but we can prove to you that they are indeed communists through various articles they have published) There was a detailed discussion on the internet about this and people who support IDRF came with a website http://www.letindiadevelop.org to explain the facts To prove how malicious these CSFH communist campaigners are, they did cybersquating, and registered website http://www.letindiadevelop.com (which links to CSFH website). Unless you are a hate mongering propagandist, you would not resort to this type of cybersquating to propagate one's view point. I'm pretty sure that this article was paid for by one these organization members. As a subscriber of San Jose Mercury News, I would expect you to take corrective steps for becoming a propaganda tool for these communist organizations, by publishing correct perspective on IDRF and Sewa International. Thanks and regards, <> Address: Home phone:

Posted by: utepian Mar 14 2005, 10:19 AM

Rudra Vinay, I am taking the liberty of cross-posting your note in Sulekha: Mar 13, 2005 Sulekha Petitions Posted by Rudra Vinay I sent a letter to charity navigator providing them "new" information about AID's communist affiliations and how they have violated their 501©(3) rules as a tax free donations recepient. I even detailed their links to Anti-American communists in India. This is the response I got from them: ___________________________________ "Thank you for your interest in Charity Navigator, America's premiere charity evaluator. At Charity Navigator we work to advance a more efficient and responsive philanthropic marketplace by evaluating the financial health of over 3,700 of America's largest charities. We do not perform any subjective evaluations/ investigations of those charities' programmatic endeavors. I suggest you contact your state's Attorney General's Charity Division. They'll be able to review your specific concerns." ____________________________________ What this response from Charity navigator tells me is that a rating from charity navigator does not mean anything. An organization can have the highest rating and still be involved in all sorts of anti-social and anti-national activities. It is also strange that the staff asks me to report any concerns with the "state's Attorney General's Charity Division", rather than report it to the IRS. This whole charity navigator thing now looks like a big gimmick to make charities look and feel good.

Posted by: ashyam Mar 14 2005, 12:50 PM

I got the following reply: From : Fernandez, Lisa Sent : Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:41:47 AM To : Subject : RE: Your article - Indian Charities face questions anks for writing and sharing your thoughts. We feel we portrayed a controversy that exists in the Silicon Valley and in India, and that we fairly gave each side a chance to discuss the allegations, and/or discredit them. This controversy has been in the public realm for three yeras, and has resurfaced with tsunami fundraising. It's our job as a newspaper to address such issues and give them context. We can certainly do the same with allegations against the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate, and thanks for sending along this information. Lisa and Brandon I sent another reply: Hi Lisa and Brandon, I don't really believe that you have portrayed a neutral picture of the controversy. If we provide you with enough evidence will publish an article which will say that the people who are campaigning against IDRF and Sewa International are communists? If you do that I'll agree with you that your report is balanced. Thanks <>

Posted by: Viren Mar 14 2005, 01:10 PM

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It's our job as a newspaper to address such issues and give them context. We can certainly do the same with allegations against the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate, and thanks for sending along this information.
Since she's offered, its best to offer views from the other side about CSFH and see if she really prints them. Plenty material here: http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/attack_on_idrf_by_mathew.html http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/consider.pdf

Posted by: ashyam Mar 14 2005, 01:27 PM

Guys, looks like we have an opportunity, I got the following reply from Lisa. I had asked for two days to compile all the information. Could you please put as much info/pointers on this forum so that I can send a compile report to Lisa? Objective is to prove that people who are campaigning against IDRF and Sewa are communists. We should bring everybody to this hook (incluiding AID and ASHA). Did anybody review the rebuttal at AID website and do we have answers for that too? Thanks. From : Fernandez, Lisa Sent : Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:21:00 AM To : Subject : RE: Your article - Indian Charities face questions Send that information along, and we'll be happy to review it. Honestly. Please do. -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:46 AM To: LFernandez@mercurynews.com; bbailey@mercurynews.com Subject: RE: Your article - Indian Charities face questions Hi Lisa and Brandon, I don't really believe that you have portrayed a neutral picture of the controversy. If we provide you with enough evidence will publish an article which will say that the people who are campaigning against IDRF and Sewa International are communists? If you do that I'll agree with you that your report is balanced. <>

Posted by: ashyam Mar 14 2005, 01:54 PM

Viren, Those links are good, and that has evidence against Biju Mathew. Do we have any evidence to prove that Angana Chatterjee is also a communist? She also needs to be nailed.

Posted by: utepian Mar 14 2005, 03:05 PM

Shyamji: Why should the SJMN duo need detailed documentation of Biju and Angana being Commies whereas mere innuendo is enough to paint an entire community as funding hate? Give the "Factual Reponse" doc and see if they are OK with it. If one still has doubts even after reading such a meticulous doc, then alas one will never change. From their article, they have already called them communists. Question remains then - why does the SJMN give so much space to commie propaganda in their paper?

Posted by: ashyam Mar 14 2005, 03:25 PM

I'm just making another attempt to see if they are willing to say openly that people who are campaigning against IDRF are communists. They refer to Angana Chatterjee as professor. Are they willing to see her as a communist? But, yes, nothing may change even if I prove it. But if there is 1% chance that I could make them relook at this issue, I want to use that.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 14 2005, 03:33 PM

Angana Chatterjee is linked with Muslim activism against Hindus and Commies/leftist activism against Hindus. It will be difficult to find out her membership with commies. Biju is a member of Commie organization. You can provide all Muslim links where Angana is mentioned. If these two jokers are intelligent enough they can understand. At least, they will be hesitant to toe these commies line in future. Question is why suddenly this article came out? Coz Modi's visit next week, they are making ground work.

Posted by: utepian Mar 14 2005, 03:52 PM

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It will be difficult to find out her membership with commies
This is the imbalance I am alluding to. "IDRF funds hate" is true because Angana Chatterji the "Professor" said so. In a fair world "AID funds commies" would have been true because Narayanan Komerath, Beloo Mehra and Ramesh Rao all Professors said so. At least I am grateful, the paper said that it was left-based orgs making allegations. That is a far cry from calling them neutral-watch-dogs as was in the past. Of course SJMN could have taken the easier route, removed the words "neutral" and "watch" to give the real essence of this pack.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 14 2005, 03:59 PM

Shyam: You don't have to play by the rules of the Mercury-News Morons. The issue is not whether these commie-pakis are proven commies (obviously that's a matter for DHS to deal with, not for us). The issue is the malicious nature of the article. Send them the Rebuttal report, and the links to the LetIndia Develop site, and tell them to read. Quote the sentence from the article that says: "There is a fierce debate on the internet" , and ask if that isn't proof that they KNEW there were two sides. Their concluding sentence is blatantly malicious. Ask them to justify that, and whether they write that about all charitable fundraiser events. The time for them to "honestly" consider information was before they wrote the garbage. Ask them if it wasn't their responsbility to read what was so readily available at Google fingertips before they wrote such a damaging article. Ask why the editorial standards of the Mercury News, and the standards for reporters, are so poor. Copy that to their editors, the Board, the Trustees, everyone at Mercury-News. You have to be tough with them at this point. What these people have done, is far worse than what got the CNN expert in Iraq and his assistant fired. Go after them, and get them fired. MAKE SURE their bosses get the complaint as well, about their lack of PROFESSIONALISM. As for Angana C. the real issue is that she has been proven to be intellectually dishonest. Just nail that point with the rebuttals and ask why the Mercury News describes only these liars as "Professors" whereas anyone who points out why they are liars is not supposed to have any credentials. At this point, my take is that they know their tails are on fire, and they are trying to wiggle out with that "honestly" etc. Its their job to prove any allegations that IDRF and SEWA are doing or have done something wrong. If they have no evidence, they should not write rumors. So - ask them - WHAT EVIDENCE DO THEY HAVE? Put up or apologize, or face the consequences, should be the thrust of the letter - to the newspaper's bosses.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 14 2005, 04:00 PM

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removed the words "neutral" and "watch" to give the real essence of this pack.
Never call a rat a dog. guitar.gif

Posted by: shyam Mar 14 2005, 04:31 PM

The news article takes the approach like "San Jose Mercury News denies links to terrorists" by taking the comments from dime-a-dozen Shyams.[1] The authors' intent is negative here. I don't think there would be much of a problem taking a positive approach and providing references to the controversy in a few sentences. Having been a subscriber or reader for some time, I haven't seen news that postively portray Hindu groups to excuse them for this article. Their reporting norm seems to be mischievously putting negative connotations to Hindu groups. It is time for me to unsubscribe from SJMN. Well, I mostly use it for classifieds and coupons not as a source of news anyway. [1] I suppose I accuse that SJMN by giving more space to groups linked with terrorists is linked to terrorists indirectly

Posted by: Mudy Mar 14 2005, 06:02 PM

Here is brandon reply to my email--

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Hi. Thanks for your email. I respect your concerns, and I'd like to explain a little more about the article. We were attempting to report on a controversy in which some groups have criticized these charities, which are actively raising money in the local community. We made every effort to let the charities respond to the criticism, and we contacted some independent academics to learn more about the political background or context for this issue. We also talked with local residents who attended the recent fundraiser and included their comments to show that they are mainstream people who consider these charities to be doing legitimate work. We certainly did not intend to depict the Hindu faith in an unfavorable light. In the past, we have reported on controversies involving Muslim groups, Christian groups, and others. We don't set out to pick on any group, but simply want to report on issues in our community.
shyam , Cancel subscription, it works.

Posted by: ashyam Mar 14 2005, 06:25 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Mar 15 2005, 06:32 AM)
shyam , Cancel subscription, it works.
I'll do that, but let me close the loop.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 14 2005, 07:21 PM

Oh! I love to see the whining of these racist pigs:

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Hi. Thanks for your email. I respect your concerns, and I'd like to explain a little more about the article. We were attempting to report on a controversy in which some groups have criticized these charities, which are actively raising money in the local community.
(so, like the racists that they are, they immediately believed the "some groups" instead of demanding that said groups produce EVIDENCE.)
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We made every effort to let the charities respond to the criticism,
(They are liars, and have the collective IQ of a rotten cabbage.)
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and we contacted some independent academics to learn more about the political background or context for this issue.
(Independent academics: People who came from the "same groups". Why didn't they think to contact academics who had actually STUDIED the issue?) We also talked with local residents who attended the recent fundraiser and included their comments to show that they are mainstream people who consider these charities to be doing legitimate work. (IOW, local residents are "mainstream". You and I are - what?) Come on, folks, write and point out that they are racists. We certainly did not intend to depict the Hindu faith in an unfavorable light. (Lying again). In the past, we have reported on controversies involving Muslim groups, Christian groups, and others. We don't set out to pick on any group, but simply want to report on issues in our community. ("Some of our best friends are Hindus") The point remains: WHAT is the substance in their article? What is the evidence which justifies their last sentence to "excercise caution"? Do they have some evidence? Aren't they malicious?

Posted by: Mudy Mar 14 2005, 07:39 PM

n3.gif I gave them my piece of mind politely rebuking every single sentence. I am waiting for reaction. I even offered my services for future anti-Hindu articles and list of Muslims and commie professors in bay-area for interview purpose.

Posted by: Viren Mar 14 2005, 08:29 PM

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Why I Support The IDRF!by Narayanan Komerath http://www.sulekha.com/printer.asp?ctid=2000&cid=305795 Holding his bright red “Inquilab Zindabad!” sign, Dr. Vijay Prashad, founder of the Forum of Indian Leftists, encourages us Indians and Indian-Americans, mindless money-grubbers that we are, to “model-minority suicide” [1]. I am one of those Petit-Bourgeois Running-Dogs of the Paper Tigers of the Neo-Colonialist Capitalist Imperialist Military Industrial Complex, in the convoluted terminology of Prashad's Communist friends[2]. In other words, I have to work for a living. Prashad's sign means “Long Live the Revolution” -- and it's as familiar to me, a Kerala expatriate, as the Marxists' violent record. With the Soviet Union gone, and China and Vietnam forgetting Inquilab, the followers of Marx, Mao and Minh [3] appear to have focused on India and the USA to wage their war against hope and opportunity. First let me thank Professors Biju Mathew, Vijay Prashad, Angana Chatterji, Shalini Gera, Ravi Rajan, Vinay Lal and their co-authorities on “South Asia” for kicking me out of my apathy. When I read the hype about their “comprehensive 91-page report” called The Foreign Exchange of Hate sponsored by “Sabrang Communications” in November, I felt that I had been kicked in the teeth. For the past five years, I had given all I could give to the India Development and Relief Fund to help families of Indians killed by terrorists[4]. And guess what, this made me a “trained Sangh Parivar activist” and a “Hindutva Supremacist Fascist hatemonger” according to that report! In the weeks since, I have actually read that “report” -- and a lot else on the subject. This appears to be unfashionable among media and South Asia experts, who seem afflicted with “Not-Beyond-Page-One-Syndrome” in their rush to condemnation. This realization moved me to write to you. Let me share 3 simple reasons why I support the IDRF: 1. From Francois Gautier who's been there[5]: “The other day I visited a tribal village, which was only 20 kms away from Bhubaneswar. The poverty I witnessed there was appalling: no drinking water, no proper housing, the children to whom we distributed food packets were sickly-looking, undernourished, dirty and badly clothed… In fact the only organisation which is trying to do something -- and which was responsible for the food distribution as well as the sole tribal school in the whole area -- is the much maligned Washington-based IDRF…” 2. From The Hindu dated May 24, 2001[6]: “The case of three-year-old Manoj and two-year-old Arshita… Their parents had put them up in the bus at one of the bus stops at Bannerghatta. The credulous children sat till 8 p.m. in the bus, hoping for their parents to come… They were, at last, sent to Vatsalya Charitable Trust, where they are being taken care of…” 3. And from [7] “Kushta Nivaran Sangh was looked upon by common people with a little worry… The collections were meagre. His determination, however, was applauded when a generous donor for the first time, donated an acre of unproductive land with a hut and a well. Adding his own life-earned fortune to these donations, Katreji made a cottage where a batch of 3 leprosy patients were sheltered. A pound of rice per housewife of Champa town could meet out the hunger of these patients. This ball thus started rolling. The funds gathered were able to add a few acres of land. This resulted in regaining self-confidence amongst the patients who by now had learnt to breathe freely and started to dream of spring in life. This zeal for life induced the patients to undertake more responsibilities of respectable life. The craze for respect as human beings, leads them to work hard for the cause.” What do the above three items have in common? 1. Each derives support from the IDRF and those “Sangh Parivar” organizations. The Vatsalya Trust in Bangalore is not funded by IDRF, but Vatsalya in Mumbai is -- and the Trust is admired the world over for their immense experience in working with and caring for orphans and street-kids. I learned this by searching the web and reading what I found. 2. Each is run by simple, determined, incredibly brave people who spend their years helping those who have nowhere else to turn. They don't burn buses or wave Red Banners of Revolution. They work and care. Constantly. Quietly. Calmly. Lovingly. 3. According to the FOIL Gang's “Report”, each is set up to “spread hate”. Vatsalya is rated “Hindu religious”. The other two are “RSS”. All funded by IDRF to “spread hate”. And, hey, that declaration has been “endorsed” by a bunch of PhDs in South Asia Studies -- the superior beings whom Associate Professor of History at UCLA, Dr. Vinay Lal, declares [8] as owning the unique knowledge which allows them to see what we mere “Indians” cannot. Why, he even “knows” that the Miraj Medical Center, an affiliate of the Church of North India and an IDRF support-recipient, is a deep-cover “RSS-affiliate”! I too did once get a college education of sorts. In the first week they taught me that “it is more important to get up and light a candle than to sit around cursing the darkness.” A concept alien to those who endorsed the anarchist petition to ban the Vatsalya Trust Orphanages, the Kushta Nivaran Sangh, the tribal school near Bhubhaneshwar, and 175 other organizations like them -- along with the IDRF. The signatories admonish us not to take them lightly. The number of “Chairs” there would fill a fair-sized flea-market. “Concerned Indians”? These? Really? Several are held in high esteem in their native lands -- Pakistan, Iraq to name a few... Others are poster children of Communism. But you see, that's the other thing I was taught long ago -- to trust facts and common sense -- and that it doesn't matter how many South Asia Chairs or fools repeat a lie -- it is still a lie. You're supposed to read and check the facts and think before you “endorse the conclusions” of any report. Removing all doubt about their standards, Dr. Vinay Lal used the Miraj Medical Center example to warn us [8] that mere affiliation with the Church of North India and the Presbyterian Church of North America will not serve to “exonerate” an organization which the South Asia Chairs in their wisdom have “accused” of being an “RSS front” and of thus supporting Indian democracy. By then, as he surely knew, there were summaries listing ten examples on the web [9] and a pointed warning [10] showing how bogus his favorite Report is. Now I can find independent reports on many more IDRF-funded organizations[11]. A long way from 178 still, so let's go back to that “Report” -- the product of “five years of meticulous research” by such august intellectuals. What exactly do they cite as “evidence” against IDRF? Their “summary” is analyzed in [9] -- and sorted into allegations, rhetoric and whines. The rhetoric and whining leave me cold. I neither asked the IDRF -- nor do I care -- if they are Marxist, Congress or RSS -- all are OK by the Indian Constitution. I'm a Running Dog of Capitalism, remember? I care about near-zero overhead rate and effectiveness in delivering aid. Manoj and Arshita, the patients at the Kushta Nivaran Sangh, and the tribal kids whom Gautier saw, are probably with me on that. I don't care whether the Communists or Pakistanis approve of those who rescued people trapped under earthquake wreckage -- and neither did the trapped people. I can't see why it is wrong for IDRF volunteers -- or anyone else -- to believe in, or vote for any legitimate party that they choose in free elections. Neither did the voters in the world's largest democracy who elected the BJP-led coalition, despite having the chance to elect Sabrang's sponsors and their Marxist friends. And it leaves me cold that Dr. Biju Mathew doesn't like Hindus (read his definition of Hinduism) -- or Dr. Angana Chatterji chose to curse India in Dawn of Karachi [12] while Indian citizens were getting murdered by Pakistani terrorists. But wait! There is actually one allegation that someone who went to a school run by the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram in southern Gujarat was alleged to have been seen during the rioting there -- by people whose “allegations” apparently have never stood up in a court of law. The kicker is, I can't see any evidence that IDRF funded anything run by Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram in Gujarat. And neither did the FOIL Gang's Report -- the nearest thing to “vanvasis” (forest dwellers) listed there under 'Gujarat' is the Lions' Club. As they say in America: “Where's the Beef?” India, like America, appears to have an ongoing debate about school curricula. I tried to learn the issues. I learned that a Marxist Minister in Pondicherry got arrested for disrupting a school where kids were learning Sanskrit. Sounds familiar... The media wisdom on this is very illuminating too [13]: “And what are the assertions made in these textbooks? That Ram Janmabhoomi is Ram's birthplace..” Hmm! I know enough Sanskrit to translate “janmabhoomi” to “birthplace”. Bright guess: should that have been “Pervez Musharraf's birthplace” perhaps? No reason here either to stop supporting IDRF. Das Kapital is not banned in India -- why should the Ramayana be banned? This so-called “Report” is still being touted by the “Stop Funding” Hate Campaign. They came out with a Frequently Asked Questions page -- which was rather easy to sort into laughs, outright lies, half-truths and whines. Quite an entertaining document -- over 50% got classified as laughs after our own “meticulous, painstaking research”. On January 28, they came out with a further clarification of what bothers them -- and left no doubt about their views on religion, democracy, and India in general. According to them, even 50,000 Indian signatures would not be as valuable as the “diverse” signatures they have -- from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq... Yeah! Don't we “mere Indians” need these sorts to tell us how to run a free democracy? And whether we should be allowed to help Indian tribal kids or soldiers' families to get a chance to succeed in society? So... maybe we should look at who's making these accusations. We find that several are members of “the Forum of Indian Leftists” (FOIL). Their founder (my apologies if that should have been “Chairman”), Dr. Vijay Prashad, assures us that West Bengal under the Communists has been free of corruption and violence (I'm so glad to hear of this tremendous improvement since my teenage days in India!) The FOIL's own favorite charity is the “SINGH Foundation” -- with an overhead rate of around 52%, with over $39,000 (over Rs. 18.5 lakhs) used for their own travel [14]. They really seem to believe that “charity begins at home” -- judging by Sabrang's call for donations to SINGH -- to pay themselves. All through the Kargil war, until Nov. 24, 2002, Sabrang's web page featured an India without Kashmir and the Northeast, and a Pakistan plus Kashmir. They make sure that communal hangups never leave the news or the minds of Indian children. Search the internet for “the Communist Party (Marxist) of India”. You'll find “People's Democracy - Weekly Organ of the CPI-M” where Prashad and Mathew publish their convoluted output. You'll also find the “People's War Group” (CPI-ML) which has been in the news recently for blowing up a bus full of villagers, and numerous other murders. And you'll find, prominently displayed, “death warrants” against the elected Chief Ministers of three Indian states. Prashad's model for India? Search for Ghadar, the “journal” of the FOIL. You'll find that it was defunct for over two years. But they magically found resources to resume publication in a hurry, proclaiming that it was time to get organized again. The first issue came out on February 21, 2002. Remember what happened a week later? Coincidence? Ask yourself: who really had the motives to start Gujaratis killing each other in early 2002? So here are the tough questions: Whom should we believe, and help with our “NRI dollars”? The IDRF which supports those who care for kids like Manoj and Arshita, and that leprosy care center? Or the SINGH Foundation which funds the Welfare Queens as they make “Inquilab Zindabad” signs, post General Musharraf's maps of “South Asia” from Mumbai, and slander anything that helps Indians? Who are the communalist hate-mongers? The Kushta Nivaran Sangh, or Setalwad, Mathew and the FOIL? And what of those Faculty who abused the names of respected institutions as they endorsed a rabidly malicious piece of garbage as a “product of five years of meticulous research”? Should we not wonder what sorts of PhD theses come out with their endorsements? Do you want your children to learn ethics, history, culture and competence from these “South Asia Chairs”? Or the simple stuff that IDRF helps teach the kids of remote Indian villages? I choose IDRF. So, I hope, will you. And so have over seventy-six hundred others who have voted for the “Let India Develop” petition [15] asking the anarchist losers to quit hate-mongering and go do something useful. Notes [1] Caswell, Michelle, Smashing the Myth of the Model Minority: An Interview with Vijay Prashad, Asia Source, http://www.asiasource.org/society/Prashad.cfm [2] Mathew, B., Prashad, V., “Hindutva For a Few Dollars a Day, People's Democracy, Weekly Organ of the Communist Party of India (Marxist), Vol. XXV, No. 12, March 25, 2001. [3] Prashad, Vijay,” Red Salute, Comrade Uncle Ho”. ZNET Daily Commentaries, Sep. 4, 1999. http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/1999-09/4prashad.htm [4] The author and other concerned Indians initiated, through IDRF, the Martyrs for National Integration Fund, which aims to provide long-term support to families of Indian soldiers and law-enforcement personnel hurt in fighting to keep India together. IDRF adopted this project and provided matching funds. [5] Gautier, Francois, “Marxism and the Saffron wave”, Rediff, December 20, 2002 http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/dec/20franc.htm): [6] “Destitute Parents Abandon Children on Bus”, The Hindu, May 24, 2001. http://www.hindu.com/2001/05/24/stories/0424402x.htm [7] Kushta Nivaran Sangh, Katre Nagar, Champa, Distt. Bilaspur http://www.idrf.org/reports/kns/kns_nn4.html [8] Vinay Lal, Associate Professor, Department of History, UCLA, “Response to IDRF Press Release” December 24, 2002. [9] Friends of India, “Consider – Facts About the Attack on the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) by Sabrang Communications and the Forum of Indian Leftists (FOIL)” December 8, 2002. http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/consider.html [10] Mehra, B., “Attack on IDRF: Little Method to Their Madness”. http://www.sulekha.com/column.asp?cid=274949, Dec. 11, 2002 [11] Friends of India, “A Critical Look at the Organized Labor of Hate - The Attack on the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) …” January 2003. http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/critlook_1.html [12] Chatterji, Angana, “A Grave Concern” Letter to the Editor Published in “The Dawn”of Karachi, dated June 2, 2002 http://www.dawn.com/2002/06/02/letted.htm#1 [13] Mukherjee, Debashish, “Education Controversy – It is a war of ideas”, The Week, Nov. 15, 1998. [14] Friends of India, “Sabrang FAQ meets Reality” [15] “Let India Develop” Petition. http://www.letindiadevelop.org

Posted by: narayanan Mar 15 2005, 04:34 PM

Yeah, but do you think sending them to the California Clueless of San Jose would do any good???? Anyone is welcome to..

Posted by: Mudy Mar 15 2005, 05:05 PM

Already done, still waiting for response.

Posted by: Viren Mar 15 2005, 06:28 PM

QUOTE(narayanan @ Mar 15 2005, 07:34 PM)
Yeah, but do you think sending them to the California Clueless of San Jose would do any good????
You kidding... I"m planning on faxing it - all 26 pages from different articles on charcha site tongue.gif, in process of digging the fax number onlee. Emails are easy to delete and block out. Besides, overheard somewhere that they (reporters) are fowarding the emails to the Bay Area based commies.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 15 2005, 06:55 PM

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they (reporters) are fowarding the emails to the Bay Area based commies.
I don't know if this is confirmed, but if it is true, they and their Editor must be fired by the Publisher. Maybe a BLOG should be started on the Communist/Terrorist Journalists. Call it Absence of Fairness?

Posted by: ashyam Mar 16 2005, 09:14 PM

Looks like my mail to SJMN also went into trash. Look at the reply: ----- Thank you for sending this information. It is quite lengthy and will take me some time to review it. Thanks for your patience. -----

Posted by: Viren Mar 16 2005, 09:20 PM

QUOTE(ashyam @ Mar 17 2005, 12:14 AM)
Looks like my mail to SJMN also went into trash. Look at the reply: ----- Thank you for sending this information. It is quite lengthy and will take me some time to review it. Thanks for your patience. -----
Shyam, Read between the lines - the lights are on, no one's home. Run Forrest Run laugh.gif Please do follow up in about a week and see if they've had a chance to review or we can be of any help in clarifying any issues that might not appear clear to them in the first pass. By no means, close the lines of communication, we need a rejoinder on this article.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 17 2005, 03:37 PM

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Call For Action - Respond to SJMN’s Biased reporting. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Indian charities face questions - GROUPS DENY TIES TO RADICAL HINDUS By Brandon Bailey and Lisa Fernandez (San Jose Mercury News) Counter Malicious Article in the San Jose Mercury News dated March 13, 2005 Executive Summary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brandon Bailey and Lisa Fernandez are reporters for San Jose Mercury News. In their latest report they discuss Indian charities. They have falsely attacked India Development & Relief Fund (IDRF) and Sewa International, USA (SI) of funding communal violence in India. This report is based on hearsay and does not reflect any facts. Please follow the guidelines below, and kindly do your part. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contents: ~~~~~~~~~ 1. Things to Do 2. Guidelines 3. Points to Cover 4. Sample Letter Framework 5. San Jose Mercury Article ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Things to Do: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please write a letter to editor ( John Swartley ) based on the points listed, sample letter(s) and the guidelines. E-Mail addresses to send your letter to The Editor: letters@mercurynews.com Lisa Fernandez: lfernandez@mercurynews.com Brandon Bailey: bbailey@mercurynews.com Fax Number to send your letter: (408) 271-3792 * Please send a separate copy of your letter to us for archival purposes. Send it to: TalkToSJMN@yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GUIDELINES: ~~~~~~~~~~~ * Keep your letters small (mention only 1 or 2 points). Do not try to send in an essay. * The letter should be 125 words or less. If the letter is longer than mandated limit, it will NOT even reach the editor for review. * Provide your phone number and address (they need this to verify that it you who wrote the letter and not someone else). * Be dispassionate & polite. Do not write angry letters. Such emotional outpourings heads straight to the dustbin. If you can't control your anger, please do not write. * Send your letter to the Letters to the Editor section. Ask for an acknowledgement. Insist that your letter be published. Remember - a good unpublished letter has no value; a bad published one has achieved the purpose. * Strength in numbers - ask your family and friends to write letters. * Save a copy for your records; Send us a copy for archival purposes - same issues come up again and again; archiving can help. * If you have to write to (copy the letter to) the author, then be extra polite and friendly; win his / her heart first, and then make your point - at least he will take a look at what you have to say. If you do 'Gaali-Galuch' (cursing) (s)he will simply press the delete key. * Try initiating a dialogue with the author. We are in this for the long term. Personal relationships help. Points to Cover: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You may not be able to raise all the points mentioned here (theletter will be too long). Please select just few points (some refuting the allegations and some discrediting attackers) from the list below to write your letter. Allegation Rebuttal: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Allegations by a group of communists are taken verbatim without verification. These allegations have been proven false by an independent group of scholars (available at http://www.letindiadevelop.org) almost 2 years ago. Why are they repeated again? 2. IDRF and SI have an implacable track record. They have always announced which NGO they are planning to send funds to at the time of appeal and follow through. Visit http://www.idrf.org or http://www.sewausa.org for project details and how they spend money. 3. If reporters had read their own article, it would have been clear that there was no discrimination. As the article indicates, Muslims participated in the event and those interviewed, DID NOT believe in the allegations made. This is contradictory to the allegations. 4. Article claims SI and IDRF were absent from the event on Feb 20th, but reporter did not bother to ask why. They took lie of AIF people at face value. Facts are: a. AIF DID NOT INVITE ANY Hindu organizations, yet they invited Muslim and Christian organizations. ARE ALL THE HINDU ORGANISTIONS FUNDAMENTALISTS? b. AIF has very bad reputation. After the earthquake in Gujarat, they started their operation, when all the organizations (including IDRF and HSS) were involved in a community effort. A presentation on conversion (to Christianity) was made to everyone’s dismay. This has turned off the whole community, not just organizations. 5. The article attempts to minimize the clean chit given to Sewa International (UK) by British Charity commission by saying that they were not given Visa. Please explain this: a. If Indian government asked US to provide visa to investigate 700 Club, Catholic Charities or Benny Hinn ministries (they all send billions of dollars to India to covert conversion), will US provide visas? A better question is SHOULD US provide visas? b. Human Rights Watch (HRW) referred to this article as a source that “blamed” Hindus for the riots were not provided visas either. How come their reference is not qualified? The COMMUNIST Attackers: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Angana Chatterji, spokesperson for the hate campaign against IDRF / SI, has been caught lying repeatedly. She has been admonished by her own guest (MJ Akbar, a communist Muslim editor of Asian Age newspaper), during an event organized by her. 2. Angana's supporters in this campaign include Sandeep Pandey, founder of ASHA, who supports Naxlite terrorists, Indian Muslim Council (IMC), whose office bearer has praised Taliban government of Afghanistan (after 9/11 attack) and CAIR (about 6 of their office bearers have been indicted for funding terrorism and one has already pleaded guilty) 3. Biju Mathews, one of the other attackers, has openly indicated that he is a communist and edits a communist website. 4. Angana Chatterji supports rights of Muslim Terrorists in Jammu & Kashmir to carry arms and kill Hindus. 5. Supporters of AIF (and attackers of IDRF / SI), such as AID, ASHA, CAC, FOIL, FOSA etc. are very well known communists with utter hatred for US, India and Hindus. 6. Many (Muslim) groups allege that the 9/11 tragedy was handy work of Jews, President Bush is a terrorist and US is a terrorist nation. Are you going to publish this rubbish every time a reference to 9/11 tragedy or terrorism in the name of “fairness”?. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sample Letter Framework: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Editor, I am surprised at the unsubstantiated attack on two of the most honorable charities, IDRF and Sewa International, USA, which serves all Indians. * Pick one point supporting these charities and write about it. * Pick one point attacking the communists (or AIF), who have attacked IDRF and Sewa. * Conclude the letter by saying something like; I am surprised that a newspaper of such a high caliber would publish unsubstantiated allegations against premier charities. Sign your name. Email Id Phone No. Address ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Original SJMN Article: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Indian charities face questions GROUPS DENY TIES TO RADICAL HINDUS By Brandon Bailey and Lisa Fernandez Posted on Sun, Mar. 13, 2005 http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/11125411.htm The crowd at a recent tsunami fundraiser represented a swath of the Bay Area's Indo-American community: Engineers and other professionals, Hindus and Muslims and people of various political views rubbed shoulders around the buffet tables and swayed to the music of a Fiji Islands band. But if the turnout was typical of Silicon Valley's easygoing diversity, some critics say the event at the Sunnyvale Hindu Temple was tainted by episodes of sectarian violence half a world away. The two U.S.-based non-profit organizations that sponsored the Feb. 27 event have drawn fire from a loose network of left-wing activists, both here and abroad. They say the charities are using good works and good intentions to build grass-roots support for a nationalist movement that has been linked to attacks against India's non-Hindu minorities in recent years. Both charities deny those allegations. And for those who attended the recent fundraiser, the ambiguities of a religious and political dispute in India seemed even hazier when viewed from afar. Many said the event was a chance to connect with friends in busy Silicon Valley, while sending aid to another part of the world where they still have ties. They either weren't aware of the allegations involving the charities or didn't believe them. ``I have never heard about the controversy,'' said Jeevan Zutshi, a Fremont engineer and real estate agent who was among about 350 people in attendance. Zutshi said he doesn't believe the charities -- Sewa International USA and the India Development and Relief Fund -- are supporting intolerance. ``They have a track record of sending 100 percent of their money to help,'' he said. ``If I had any inclination that they were hard-core fundamentalists, I wouldn't be here.'' Don't discriminate Representatives for both charities say they don't discriminate on the basis of religion or politics. But human rights activists in the United States and Britain have focused on the charities' relations with other groups associated with a nationalist political movement that views India primarily as a Hindu state. Extremists within that movement have been blamed for episodes such as the 2002 riots in Gujurat province, which led to the deaths of 900 people, mostly Muslims. Although there is no evidence the charities have intentionally promoted violence, the activists accuse them of giving money to Indian groups that encourage intolerance toward Muslims, Christians and other minorities. Those groups may use the U.S. charities' funding for legitimate relief work, but their critics say the work helps the nationalists build support for their own agenda. ``They create the very context of divisiveness that fuels religious violence,'' charged Angana Chatterji, a San Francisco-based anthropologist and spokeswoman for the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate, an alliance of university students and faculty members who oppose Hindu nationalism. Emphasizing aid Officials of the charities dismiss their critics as Marxist agitators who see sinister connections where none exist. The officials said they are acting on Hindu teachings that emphasize helping others, adding that they distribute money to a range of needy groups -- some of which may have members who are involved in other causes. ``We have religious roots when it comes to service, but we don't discriminate based on religion,'' said Yagnesh Pathak, a local representative of Sewa International USA. Organizers said the $75,000 raised in Sunnyvale would benefit coastal fishermen in countries other than India, most of whom are Muslim. That suits Mahesh Pakala, a Fremont businessman who saw the event as a way to help tsunami victims and socialize with friends. He said he had looked into criticism against the charities and found no evidence to support the complaints. Pakala also was a key organizer of another tsunami benefit, held Feb. 20 at the HP Pavilion in San Jose, which raised more than $1 million for the American India Foundation. Both Sewa International USA and the India Development and Relief Fund were noticeably absent from the broad coalition sponsoring that event, whose organizers said they tried to keep a secular focus. Larger debate Though in many ways the dispute is more about politics than religion, the criticism of the two charities is part of a larger debate over Hindu nationalism and the related concept of Hindutva, or Hinduness. Critics say its most extreme adherents view non-Hindus as a threat to India, or as inferior members of Indian society. Defenders say they are simply showing pride in their culture and religious heritage -- which appeals to many people of Indian descent living overseas. Critics and supporters of the two charities, meanwhile, have waged a war of conflicting testimonials and posted lengthy tracts on the Internet. The debate only intensified when British authorities issued a qualified report last month on Sewa's fundraising after a major Gujarat earthquake in 1999. The United Kingdom Commission on Charities said it was satisfied that Sewa's British affiliate sent funds to an Indian group that used the money to rebuild six villages. But investigators said they couldn't view the work firsthand because the Indian government -- then led by Hindu nationalist politicians -- wouldn't give them visas. While Sewa denied any formal link, the commission said the charity acknowledged an ``ideological commonality'' with a leading Hindu nationalist organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. New York-based Human Rights Watch has blamed the Gujarat riots on a campaign by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and other Hindu nationalist groups to exploit religious tensions and build political support. India experts say the connections are subtle. Hindu nationalist groups have a strong track record of delivering aid to disaster areas, said Thomas Blom Hansen, a Yale anthropology professor who has written two books on the nationalist movement. He contends those efforts are part of a larger campaign to build credibility for a movement that views Muslims and other non-Hindus as a cultural threat. ``The explicit goal is not necessarily to take tsunami victims and turn them into warriors against Islam,'' he said. ``It doesn't happen right away. But the long-term goal is to further their own worldview.'' Although both Sewa and India Development and Relief Fund deny any political agenda, San Francisco State international-relations Professor Sanjoy Banerjee said they have funded groups aligned with the Hindu nationalist movement. The groups appear to be engaged in legitimate relief work, he added, but potential donors may want to take their politics into consideration. Contact Lisa Fernandez at lfernandez@mercurynews.com or (510) 790-7313. Contact Brandon Bailey at bbailey@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5022.

Posted by: acharya Mar 17 2005, 04:15 PM

AT least 500 letters have to go to SJM.Indians and Hindus are the larger than Muslims in the Bay area and their voice haev to be heard.

Posted by: shyam Mar 17 2005, 06:13 PM

Sent the following to the SJMN. --------------------------------------------------------------- This letter is in reference to the San Jose Mercury News (SJMN) news article whose link is given below. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/11125411.htm It is unfortunate that SJMN choose to publish news maligning Indian and Hindu groups that work towards betterment of Indians in India. Your repetitive nature of the publishing the same old news even though after many years there is no iota of legal evidence produced makes me puzzling that there is a mischief on your part. Just because of some fringe groups and individuals who put India in poor light accused these groups, SJMN need not choose to align with those people or groups sympathetic towards terrorists or communists and put down on the groups or people positive towards India's betterment. This kind of reporting leaves me no chance but to cancel my subscription to SJMN newspaper that is delivered daily to my home. Regards .... --------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by: narayanan Mar 17 2005, 08:31 PM

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6. Many (Muslim) groups allege that the 9/11 tragedy was handy work of Jews, President Bush is a terrorist and US is a terrorist nation. Are you going to publish this rubbish every time a reference to 9/11 tragedy or terrorism in the name of “fairness”?.
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The so-called Report authored by Angana Chatterji declared that IDRF was anti-Muslim because IDRF sent $25,000 to the families of New York firefighters martyred in the rescue attempts on 9/11/2001. Angana's reasoning? "The victims were mostly non-Muslim and the perpetrators were Muslims"
A few other pointers to would-be letter writers: 1. Don't bring up Musharraf. Americans, like certain Indian commie writers, think Musharraf is the Frontlyin Al-Lie of America in the GOAT. Dont' try to educate them. 2. Don't attack Chatterji for agitating against the Narmada DAM. Dams are BAD in California. Drinking water is good. What Angana did was to sit around sipping "Perrier" or whatever in California and making sure that the men, women and children of Kutch and other areas had to walk miles in the sun every day carrying drinking water on their heads - by obstructing the project to prevent floods in the Narmada and supply drinking water to Kutch. 3. Communists may say that they are "anti-Fascists" but it takes more expertise than I have to discern why the Communist regimes all over the world were any better than the Fascists (whatever the Fascists were). 4. DON'T bring up Xtian soul-saving. There may be Americans who can understand why its rather crude bigotry to go around trying to convert people, but I doubt if any of them work at the San Jose Mercury News, judging by the single-digit IQs of their editors. Most of these people think Indians are the ones who cooked missionaries in big pots. 5. Don't give titles like "award-winning" to worms like the ASHA head Paki, the AID netas etc. AID's real problem is not DYFI - its is the fact that many AID members in India are also CPI(M/L) members (i.e., NAXALITES). So - AID is PROBABLY a front to buy AK-47s for the Nepalese Maoists etc., and Angana's FOIL is very much a part of this gang. 6. Point out that there is more evidence to implicate the Commies and FOIL, such as Angana Chatterji, Biju Matthew etc., in the Godhra terrorist attack, than there is any basis to accuse any "Hindu nationalists" for the violence in Gujarat. The FOIL, AID etc. were clearly preparing for their post-riots campaigns, as early as December 2001. 7. ASK THE dorks to ASK: WHO IS FUNDING ANGANA, BIJU ETC. TO GO AROUND THE NATION AND THE WORLD, MAKING SPEECHES? Every time this question is asked, they get all mad and try to silence the questioner. WHY THE SECRECY? Every explanation they have given for their funding sources has proven to be bogus.

Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 18 2005, 10:24 AM

Bouyed by the Modi success. Expect a renewed attack on IDRF aiming to get it banned.

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 19 2005, 09:11 AM

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Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 20 2005, 01:07 AM

Bharatpremi, Other commie subterfuges. HSS <==> YSS (Youth Solidarity Summer) IDRF <==> IERF SEWA <==> SEVA (yup, SEWA and SEVA are different) letindiadevelop.org <==> letindiadevelop.com

Posted by: utepian Mar 20 2005, 09:41 AM

QUOTE(vijnan_anand @ Mar 20 2005, 01:37 PM)
Bharatpremi, Other commie subterfuges. HSS <==> YSS (Youth Solidarity Summer) IDRF <==> IERF SEWA <==> SEVA (yup, SEWA and SEVA are different) letindiadevelop.org <==> letindiadevelop.com
You forgot the most egregious chicanery of all: IDRF <==> IDRF Indian Develoment and Relief Fund::International Development and Relief Fund http://www.idrf.org :: http://www.idrf.ca The org's sphere of benevolence is focussed mainly at Bosnia, Bangladesh, Palestine, Pakistan, Chechnya, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 20 2005, 01:18 PM

http://www.arc.org/C_Lines/CLArchive/story8_1_03.html

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Inside a basement classroom at Hunter College, Teesta Setalvad, the Hindu editor of Communalism Combat, a secularist Indian magazine that reports exclusively on the country’s ethnic and religious tensions, had been invited to speak about violence between Hindu nationalists and the Muslim and Christian minorities. She described atrocities—gang rapes, arson and murder—in India being committed by Hindu nationalists against Muslims and Christians, who together in India make up 170 million people. Little had been done to address the crimes, she said. In fact, she claimed members of the government and police were guilty of encouraging the violence. “We have to take on the growing problem of Hindu militarism and all forms of religious fundamentalism,” Setalvad said, adding later: “We don’t want India to develop into a Hindu rashtra [nation].”
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Armed Hindu nationalist gangs went on a rampage in Ghodra and throughout the state of Gujarat. It was reported in the Indian media they carried government voting records to identify Muslim homes. During three days of violence, an estimated 2,000 Muslims died, according to Human Rights Watch.
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“These groups in any other country would be banned as terrorist groups,” said Smita Narula, an Indian Hindu and author of a Human Rights Watch report on the Gujarat violence. “In India they are called nationalist and patriotic.”
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Narayanan Komerath, an Indian Hindu, a professor of aerospace engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology and the co-author of the report defending the IDRF said he trusted the charity. The Indian government was an unreliable recipient for donations, he said, while other charities in India are run by Christian evangelists. Komerath said he did not believe reports that claimed the RSS was a violent organization.
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A few U.S. politicians, after the IDRF report’s release, also called for an investigation, including Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Penn.), who is on the House Committee on International Relations. Pitts led a delegation to India to investigate minority rights and visited Gujarat, but the findings of his report were never made public.

Posted by: acharya Mar 20 2005, 02:38 PM

Narayanan Komerath, an Indian Hindu, a professor of aerospace engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology and the co-author of the report defending the IDRF said he trusted the charity. The Indian government was an unreliable recipient for donations, he said, while other charities in India are run by Christian evangelists. Komerath said he did not believe reports that claimed the RSS was a violent organiztion.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 20 2005, 07:31 PM

Well.. and? (acharya, could u pls reduce the font size on that?

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Pitts led a delegation to India to investigate minority rights and visited Gujarat, but the findings of his report were never made public.
Why not? Could it be that they found zilch that was reportable, so they waited another year to cook up more filth for Paki terrorist pay? As it happens I got a quick response from said prof re: above. Says he has nothing to hide on this, and sent me the following: Says Suleiman Din called him at the office one day, claiming to be a Masters student at Columbia U., researching the IDRF issue. Prof told him that any comments to be printed would have to come from written emailed questions and responses. But then of course told him a few things. Din then emailed him - and the exchange is copied below.
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> Hello Professor Komerath, this is Suleman Din from Columbia. We > had spoken the other day, and you wanted to have questions sent to > you via email. > > In our conversation, you explained that the IDRF is a charity that > Indians can trust, rather than Indian government-based charities, > or those belonging to Christian missionary groups. Can you expand > on this point? What are the benefits to Indians contributing to > the IDRF? > > What are the main goals of the IDRF in India? Whom would you > describe as someone who gives to the charity? > > Have you donated to the IDRF? Could you explain your experience in > sending money to India through them if you did? > > How did you get involved in the rebuttal to the SABRANG report? > > You said in our conversation that you thought the SABRANG report > was an attempt to unseat the BJP. Do you stand by this? Can you > explain how you came to this conclusion? > > You also mentioned claims that the IDRF is funding hate are > unfounded. In what way are they inaccurate? (To sum up your report) > > There have been reports by the US Commission on International > Religious Freedoms, the State Department, and Human Rights Watch, > among others, which have linked violence in India to groups like > the RSS and the Bajrang Dal. Do you feel that these reports are > misleading, and that these groups should not be denounced? > > To play it safe, wouldn't the charity be better off avoiding > organizations in India which have been questioned because of their > alleged linkages? > > You mentioned that documentation about the activities of groups > like the RSS and the Bajrang Dal is biased and flawed. Can you > provide examples of the flawed documentation? > > Also, I'm hoping you can share with me your information that ties > the SABRANG group to the ISI? How did you come to find out about > that connection? > > Thanks again for considering my questions. > > Best, > > s.d. > > -- > Suleman Din > Columbia University > Cell #: 917-470-3679 > Home #: 732-316-5284
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Dear Mr. Din: Thank you for your e-mail regarding your research about the report attacking the India Development and Relief Fund, and please accept my apologies for not replying earlier - it has been a very busy time. As I recall, you said that you are doing a Master's degree in journalism at Columbia University. Please tell me more about yourself, and your project. What is the scope and timeline, and who is your project academic advisor? Why is this topic (which I thought was dead, given the lack of interest in the Indian media) of interest? Why now? Also, it appears to me that the central point to emerge from the whole issue of the Sabrang/FOIL report was the sheer dishonesty and malice of that effort. A team of people, most of them holding PhDs, and others claiming to be concerned about human rights and civil rights, claimed to have done "five years of meticulous research" on an issue, and then wrote a report with a "single, simple conclusion". Upon elementary browsing, it becomes clear to a thoughtful reader that there is not a single fact or item of logic supporting that "single, simple conclusion". Upon further reading, it becomes clear that the report contains many blatant lies, numerous misrepresentations, and truly laughable contortions of logic in a futile effort to cast aspersions on a respectable organization minding its own business. I can guide you to an example of that, no problem: Enjoy! http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/sabrang_faq_meets_reality.html "The Sabrang/FOIL/FOSA “FAQ” Meets Reality" Two secondary issues arise: 1. The irresponsible, and indeed dishonest, behavior of several journalists representing prominent media outlets. Specifically, the Times of India, The Hindu, and REDIFF. I was particularly saddened by the writings of Josy Joseph of REDIFF and Anjali Modi of The Hindu. The former destroyed my respect for REDIFF's standards by publishing baseless garbage. The latter very clearly was foisting distortions with no regard to the truth, on the readers - with a very clearly malicious political agenda. In both cases, the real victims were orphans, leprosy patients, hungry tribal kids and such others. While "India Abroad" at least published articles giving both sides (eventually and belatedly), these other worthies failed completely in this basic duty to be honest, even if intelligence is beyond them. 2. The shocking behavior of three hundred and twenty other PhDs, many of them academic faculty members, and others researchers, all rushing like rats after the Pied Piper to "endorse" this piece of garbage, putting the full weight of their employer institutions' names behind those false endorsements. One is led to seriously question the validity of PhD theses and other products of these institutions. I recognize that this is less than about 1 to 2% of the peer group, it is still distressing to consider that these people are out there contaminating the minds of impressionable youngsters. As it happens, Columbia University is (most regrettably) very much on that List of Infamy. Hence I must ask you to provide the name(s) of your faculy advisor(s) so that I may check into any evidence of their own standards. I must caution that I consider people on that List of Infamy to be not worth wasting my time on. As I mentioned to you, the reasons for my association with IDRF have to do with the people who put their lives on the line to keep my country integrated - and the people who take care of those most needful and deserving of assistance - the leprosy patients of the Kushta Nivaran Sangh, the orphans at the Vatsalya Trust, and the street kids cared for by the Swa-Roopwardhinee organization, and the families of the heroic Firefighters of the New York Fire Department who died trying to rescue victims of the September 11, 2001 terror attack. Your favorite authors, the Sabrang/FOIL gang, attacked IDRF for supporting each of the above - and declared them all to the hate-mongering entities. Your 320 Faculty Endorsers, including Columbia U. faculty, living in the State of New York, endorsed those attacks. I will be happy to try to help you in your efforts to expose the real hate-mongers and villains through objective, honest, painstaking research, if I understand what you are trying to do. I hope you do understand that my level of respect for the integrity of the "desi" English-language media, and the so-called "South Asia Faculty", even at such institutions of past fame as Columbia, is much lower than it was a couple of years ago. I hope you saw the recent case where a young Chaplain in the US Army at the Guantanamo facility was falsely accused of disloyalty and subjected to a nightmarish experience. I can imagine how he must have felt. Please understand that the people of IDRF, and their families, felt likewise when they were accused maliciously by the ruthless Sabrang/FOIL gang. There will have to be payback and reparation for that malice and harm. As for your questions about specific points of evidence, yes, I know where to find all or most of them - for use by honest, competent researchers. All the best in your studies Narayanan Komerath
Compare that to what Din actually wrote in the article and you can see that he is indeed a Columbia Journalism graduate - the sliminess comes through loud and clear.

Posted by: Amber G. Mar 20 2005, 08:27 PM

N - Thanks for enlighting us to know the standard of Columbia Journalism graduates like Din. What a dishonest scum. I hope a copy of this is sent to his adviser, and may be other professors so that they can all know how these scums bring down the reputation of good universities.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 20 2005, 08:41 PM

Advisors? At Columbia which graduated Naxal Ram? They can read their names in the news and enjoy what is said about their standards. tv_feliz.gif

Posted by: utepian Mar 21 2005, 11:39 AM

and now the worthies at Christian Science Monitor join the Big "IDRF-Modi Visa" Dance medley. Indian-American community exerts growing clout back home http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0321/p03s01-ussc.html

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Sabrang Communications, released a bombshell report in late 2002. It alleged that the US-based India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) was quietly channeling abroad more than 80 percent of its discretionary funds to pro-Hindu groups. Some of these groups, tied to an Indian organization known as the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), have been accused of fomenting sectarianism that has led to violence.

Posted by: Sudhir Mar 22 2005, 10:17 AM

Was posted at Sulekha:- -------------------------------- Victor Menezes also heads AIF - American Indian Foundation. This is the same group that showed a conversion video during fundraiser for Gujarat Earthquake. Indians in the Bay area claim that the recent artcile in the San Jose Mercury News maliging IDRF and SEWA Intl was the handiwork of AIF. About a year and half ago, Sulekha carried an article by Menezes in which he solicited funds from NRIs for AIF. Alert readers confronted Menezes for hiding the conversion agenda. Menezes did not reply to reader's queries. Sulekha at that time took an unprecedented step. It not only removed all posted comments but also stopped the article from being commnted at all! The news item is posted from WSJ: Ex-Citigroup Exec Menezes May Face SEC Charges DOW JONES NEWSWIRES March 18, 2005 5:21 p.m. http://online.wsj.com/public/page/0,,public_home_search,00.html#BT_CO_200503 18_008717 (Adds comment from lawyer in third paragraph; updates throughout.) By Siobhan Hughes Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES WASHINGTON -- Victor J. Menezes, former head of emerging markets at Citigroup Inc. ©, may face civil charges in connection with the sale of $29.8 million worth of company stock in March 2002, weeks before the company took a charge because of losses in Argentina. The Securities and Exchange Commission staff sent Menezes a Wells notice in August 2004 indicating they planned to recommend charges in connection with "certain pre-approved trades made in connection with the exercise of options, about which all required public filings were timely made," according to information available through the NASD's broker disclosure system. Menezes couldn't be reached for comment. His lawyer, Elkan Abramowitz, said that "the transaction Mr. Menezes engaged in is not an example of an executive dumping stock in advance of a problem." He said that "this transaction was pre-approved by Citigroup in accordance with Citigroup's policies and procedures and all necessary public filings were made." The five commissioners on the SEC still must decided whether to vote in favor of bringing charges. Menezes sold 597,000 Citigroup shares through two transactions on March 28, 2002, according to an SEC filing. The SEC notice was about the March 28 sales, according to Shannon Bell, his spokeswoman. On April 15, Citigroup missed Wall Street estimates for the first time since its formation in 1998, announcing a $519 million after-tax charge for the first quarter related to problems in Argentina that pushed core income below analysts' expectations. Speaking at a UBS Warburg Financial Services conference in New York the following week, Menezes said that, although the bank was in "uncharted waters" because of an economic crisis in Argentina, "I'm very confident we will do extremely well in the (emerging markets) business over time and it will be one of the major drivers of growth." Bell said Menezes's sales were intended to raise money to cover taxes and other costs associated with exercising Citigroup options. Menezes had 234,004 more Citigroup shares after the March 28 transaction than before he engaged in options exercises, Bell said. Menezes was no longer an executive officer at Citigroup as of Dec. 31, 2004, according to a proxy filing on record with the SEC. His last job at Citigroup was senior vice chairman. He has retired from Citigroup, a spokeswoman said. He still maintains an office at the company. Linda Thomsen, the SEC's deputy director of enforcement, declined to comment. Federal regulators have paid close attention to executive stock sales in recent years. Stephen Cutler, director of enforcement, said in a speech Friday that reports of "insiders selling large blocks of stock prior to the release of negative news" show that "we are not out of the woods yet." -By Siobhan Hughes, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-6654; Siobhan.Hughes@d... Victor Menezes, head of Citigroup's emerging-markets arm in 2002, said in April 2002 that the company was navigating "uncharted waters" concerning an economic crisis in Argentina.

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 12:46 PM

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0321/p03s01-ussc.html

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One such group, Sabrang Communications, released a bombshell report in late 2002. It alleged that the US-based India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) was quietly channeling abroad more than 80 percent of its discretionary funds to pro-Hindu groups. Some of these groups, tied to an Indian organization known as the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), have been accused of fomenting sectarianism that has led to violence. Human Rights Watch and other groups say that the RSS was among those "most directly responsible" for the Gujarat riots. They also fault Modi for doing little to rein in the organized mobs that killed more than 2,000 people, mostly Muslims. The riots started after Muslims set fire to a train full of Hindu activists, killing 58 men, women, and children. Many of the groups that were preparing to protest Modi's visit are also tracking Indian-American charities that support RSS activities. "The people who are sending donations to these groups are not aware of where the money is going," says Hussain. "And I do fear that after the [2001 Gujarat] earthquake that some of the money collected was geared toward this hatred." But Ramesh Rao, a professor of communications at Truman State University in Kirksville, Mo., says the IDRF has been unfairly targeted. At IDRF's request, he published a detailed rebuttal to the Sabrang report. While not denying that some IDRF money may go to groups affiliated with the RSS, he says that both the amount and the effect are overblown. Mr. Rao calls the Sabrang report a political attack by leftists, part of a decades-long campaign to vilify the RSS and any group directly or indirectly connected with its work. That the US should be center stage for this long-running dispute has a lot to do with the rising wealth of Indian-Americans. In a first study of its kind, Devesh Kapur at Harvard University found that Indian-Americans donated an estimated $150 million in 2004. He says they are the most educated ethnic group in the US and have the highest median income. "I think the real story is how little they give," he says. The way they give is also noteworthy. Sidel says that as with other more established ethnic groups, Indian-Americans are no longer just sending money back to family, but are increasingly putting it toward social and charitable causes through nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) and professional associations. One of the biggest professional groups is the Asian American Hotel Owners Association. Modi had been invited to the US by AAHOA to speak this week at their annual convention in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. Nearly all the group's members, who control more than half of America's economy lodging, hail from Gujarat. In a press release sent after the State Department revoked Modi's visa, AAHOA said it "understood" the government's position and reasserted that Modi was invited to speak about business opportunities and tourism in Gujarat. Protest organizers, however, said the trip was an effort to raise Modi's profile for an eventual bid for prime minister. Modi was not the only foreign leader to be snubbed by the US last week. Breaking with a St. Patrick's Day tradition, political leaders did not host Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams. Sinn Fein's militant wing, the Irish Republican Army, is embroiled in a murder and bank heist scandal. The killing of Robert McCartney has touched off concern among Irish-Americans, who are a key source of funding for Sinn Fein. But it is not easy to establish that donated dollars end up funding violence abroad. "I don't know if money given to RSS schools leads to violence," says Rao. "While one can make that causal stretch for political purposes, no good social scientist would be willing to do that." Biju Mathew, a professor at Rider University and contributor to the Sabrang report, admits the report found no legal smoking gun. But he describes as a "relic of the past" the notion that to catch someone red-handed "you would mark a currency bill and see where it surfaces again." After Sept. 11, the US released a new set of regulations for charitable giving, and established a blacklist of groups that finance terror. There is anecdotal evidence, supported by new research on the Pakistani community by Adil Najam at Tufts University in Medford, Mass., that Muslim-Americans are shifting their donation dollars to local rather than international causes. Corporations are also changing the way they donate. Cisco Systems, Inc. was once a major contributor to IDRF through its employee-matching program. In May 2003 the company suspended its program, a move a spokeswoman said was related to uncertainty over the changing federal guidelines. IDRF no longer receives matching funds from Cisco, or from Oracle. Despite these losses, IDRF's general funding did not drop after the November 2002 report. The group's president says IDRF raised $757,000 in 2003 compared with $702,000 in 2002.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 05:19 PM

San Jose Mercury reply

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Hi. Things got busy last week and I am sorry for not replying sooner. Thanks for sending these links. I would just like to stress that the article absolutely did not make any general statements about Hindus, and certainly did NOT say the Hindu community is responsible for any deaths. The article talked about some criticism that has been aimed at individuals and organizations. (In the same way, when we write about organizations that happen to be associated with Islam or Christianity, we are not making general statements about all Muslims or all Christians.)

Posted by: narayanan Mar 22 2005, 06:39 PM

Yeah, Mudy, tell Madame Curie there that the issue is not whether she targeted an entire community, but whether she investigated her sources enough and did her damn homework before she slandered innocent fundraising organizations and published dire warnings to readers to beware of contributing to them. What do I say to the orphan at the Vatsalya Trust, or the destitute leprosy patient at the Kushta Nivaran Sangh, about why there is no money to buy food or shelter for them? Did this sh1thead care to check into exactly WHERE IDRF and Sewa money goes, before writing such destructive garbage? Does she expect me to show any more kindness to her fat musharraf where she keeps her brain when I write about her, than she has shown to those orphans and leprosy patients? Please convey this to her with my best compliments and tell her she needs to retract and apologize for serving as a sucker for the enemies of democracy and of all humanity.

Posted by: Kumar Mar 22 2005, 08:35 PM

Muslims donate to Muslim charities. Christians donate to Christian charities. As a Hindu, I will donate to Hindu charities. There is not a thing anyone can do about it.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 22 2005, 08:58 PM

Say it loud and clear Hindu money ONLY for hindu charities G.S

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 09:03 PM

If Saudis and entire middle east can send money to one community while US and Europe can do to the other, are people waiting for Fiji or Nepal to start donating for the 800 million Hindus in India?

Posted by: LSrini Mar 22 2005, 09:22 PM

We need to prepare some slides or posters and hit the temples in US. Temple is one place where none of these muslims and christians can enter or atleast no one can accuse us of being communal inside the temple. (i am sure we will confront some AID volunteer, those b@#$%^&* are everywhere. but we should challenge these scums in the temple itself to prove their hinduness)

Posted by: k.ram Mar 23 2005, 02:19 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Mar 24 2005, 01:16 AM)
Collected enough funds for retirement. Now organisation is all over US with regular commited comrades to support. Good retirement plan.
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Posted by: utepian Mar 23 2005, 08:08 PM

Bhai log - learn something. Brain washing at its best. I am amazed how he has spun the entire "accountability to the donor" portion. F*ck the donor, My ass needs rs 1 Lakh worth of gas.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 23 2005, 08:19 PM

Hey, this is a wonderfully thought-provoking article.

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Embattled professor won't back down Ward Churchill weary of fight BOULDER, Colorado (AP) -- Stacks of papers sit on a sun-drenched table in the home of University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill, some full of praise and others full of dark threats and unprintable insults. In one message, liberal scholar Noam Chomsky calls Churchill's achievements of inestimable value, while an e-mail in another pile warns: "If you ever come to Florida, I will personally bash your (expletive) brains in." This is Churchill's new life: Since January, he has been at the center of a firestorm over free speech for likening some September 11 victims to Adolf Eichmann, a Nazi architect of the Holocaust. The governors of two states have called for his ouster and two attorneys with a Denver radio show have spent weeks compiling data they say proves Churchill is a rotten professor at best, a seditionist at worst. In a two-hour interview with The Associated Press, Churchill, 57, said he won't back down as the school investigates him to see if he can be fired. But he wearily acknowledged the uproar now dominates his life and makes it difficult to focus on his job as a tenured professor of ethnic studies. "I'm struggling desperately to be able to deliver to my students what they signed up for," Churchill said, slumped in a chair and chain-smoking Pall Malls. "All of my time is devoted to responding to gratuitous (expletive). Every day there's a new idiocy." In his essay written shortly after the September 11, 2001, attacks, Churchill called some World Trade Center victims "little Eichmanns." The essay drew scant attention until earlier this year, when it resurfaced after Churchill was invited to speak at Hamilton College in upstate New York. Relatives of the dead and the governors of New York and Colorado denounced Churchill and the speech was canceled because of death threats against him. Now, university administrators are investigating Churchill's works to determine whether to recommend his dismissal. CU spokeswoman Pauline Hale said she could not comment on details, but the results are scheduled to be released March 28. The latest charges are that Churchill plagiarized others' work and threatened physical violence against critics. He denies both claims, though he said he did threaten to sue a woman he said was harassing his family and spreading lies. "Now that's not a cordial conversation. And yes, I supposed you could make a case that the object is to intimidate," he said. "But it's by exercise of legal right, not by beating the woman up. If I was inclined to do that, she'd have been beaten up a long time ago." Churchill has many critics, some on his own campus. Law professor Paul Campos said Churchill's writings are unfair and unbalanced, and there is evidence he has plagiarized and fabricated material. "That goes beyond being an ideological hack and having no balance or nuance or intelligence in your work," Campos said. "It goes into the realm of academic fraud, which is a firing offense." Churchill said his critics have mangled the facts in their rush to condemn him. He said the inquiry is not merely an investigation of his work but a pretext for a broader campaign to discourage critical thinking and reduce higher education to "an advanced vo-tech" where students are taught skills useful to corporations. "It's not about me, and it's not about 'little Eichmanns,' either," he said. Churchill acknowledged he is confrontational when he tries to make Americans see the attacks of September 11 not as unprovoked assaults on an innocent people, but as the consequences of years of U.S. policies he likens to genocide. "That's why I'm so in-your-face. You will not ignore this, purport to innocence while applauding genocide. You may not be directly culpable, but you're not innocent," he said. He also defended his scholarship, citing his induction into the Martin Luther King Jr. Collegium of Scholars at Morehouse College in Atlanta and offering nine pages of endorsements from other scholars. The collection includes praise from Richard Falk, formerly at Princeton and now a visiting professor of global studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara, who called Churchill an outstanding scholar of indigenous rights. "That does express my view of his work," Falk said Thursday. Churchill has tried to keep his family and students out of the spotlight, insisting reporters get permission for classroom interviews and hesitating to make relatives available for interviews about his Indian heritage -- another topic hotly contested by his critics, who argue he cannot prove he is Indian and lied about it on his job application at CU. Churchill said his mother and grandmother told him he was part Indian, and he thought of himself that way while growing up in Illinois. "I'm not identifying as an Indian because of something out of cowboy and Indian movies," he said. "That's my family's understanding of itself." Churchill said he is prepared to fight, either to save his job or to negotiate a model settlement for resolving future disputes between universities and faculty. He insists he does not want a victory that would destroy the university but warns he is ready for a protracted battle. "Am I absolutely committed to taking this as far as it will go?" he asked. "No. Am I prepared to? Yes." Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/03/18/embattled.professor.ap/index.html

Posted by: utepian Apr 13 2005, 07:43 AM

A hack called Suleman din pukes "Saffron dollar" in the latest issue of Colorlines - a magazine for race relations. Saffron Dollars by Suleman Din http://www.arc.org/C_Lines/CLArchive/story8_1_03.html

Posted by: vijnan_anand Apr 13 2005, 09:21 AM

Pinging Narayanan.

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Narayanan Komerath, an Indian Hindu, a professor of aerospace engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology and the co-author of the report defending the IDRF said he trusted the charity. The Indian government was an unreliable recipient for donations, he said, while other charities in India are run by Christian evangelists. Komerath said he did not believe reports that claimed the RSS was a violent organization.
IIRC Narayanan said nothing of this sort and this guy pulled it out of his Musharraf. This calls for legal action.

Posted by: utepian Apr 13 2005, 12:00 PM

Man, I must credit Alladin's chhota brother for beautifully delineating the "good" Hindu and the "bad" Hindu.

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“These groups in any other country would be banned as terrorist groups,” said Smita Narula, an Indian Hindu
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Narayanan Komerath, an Indian Hindu,......said he did not believe reports that claimed the RSS was a violent organization.

Posted by: abdul_bin_mao Apr 13 2005, 01:27 PM

Any way of determining whether this Suleiman Din is a Paki Mullah or an Indian Mullah? tv_feliz.gif

Posted by: Mudy Apr 13 2005, 01:58 PM

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Any way of determining whether this Suleiman Din is a Paki Mullah or an Indian Mullah?
http://www.maynardije.org/columns/dickprince/041229_prince/
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Meanwhile, U.S. journalists of South Asian descent found opportunity. At the Star-Ledger in Newark, N.J., Suleman Din, a Pakistani-American, co-wrote a story today with Jeff Diamant, "Diverse groups, companies contribute to ease suffering."
biggrin.gif http://www.saja.org/din.html
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Suleman Din is a Canadian born-and-bred writer who's been riding the journalism tiger since he was 18.
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Though he lived for most of his life in in Toronto, Suleman travels extensively. His favorite destination to date is Timerghara, which he reached after an arduous trek to the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. There, he lived for 15 days with the locals, like the locals. He lives with his wife, fellow journalist Shaheen Pasha and their daughter Iman, in New Jersey.

Posted by: vijnan_anand Apr 13 2005, 03:52 PM

Isn't it the same guy who is also a student in Columbia?

Posted by: k.ram Apr 13 2005, 05:09 PM

(fwd) http://www.petitiononline.com/foilciis/petition.html "An open letter to California Institute for Integral Studies". Please do the honors! & http://foilciis.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Viren Apr 20 2005, 07:43 PM

Needed a review for this Vinay Lal diatribe. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=29019

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BOOK EXTRACT Domain name Hindutva The History of History (Politics and scholarship in Modern India) By Vinay Lal Oxford University Press; Pages 294 Price Rs: 650 Aryavarta reaches Silicon Valley. The saffronised history spawned on innumerable websites by amateur NRI historians may well be the most tangible, if not most agreeable product of India’s globalisation. Posted online: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 0000 hours IST It is perhaps apposite that the North American proponents of Hindutva, as well as revisionist Hindu historians, should have found the Internet an agreeable avenue for the propagation of their world-view. More than any other organised religion, Hinduism is a decentred and deregulated faith, and in this it appears akin to cyberspace. In the language of the cybernetic postmodernists, one could say that Hinduism is rhizomatic, with multiple points of origin, intersection, and dispersal. Hinduism and the Internet, one might conclude, were happily made for each other; even the millions of web sites evoke the ‘‘330 million gods and goddesses’’ of Hinduism. Although the subjects on which the most substantial contributions to Hindutva web sites are made vary considerably, the web masters and their associates are united in their resolve to offer radically altered accounts of even the most common verities of India history. Thus, while it is generally agreed that the Mughal Emperor Akbar (reigned 1556-1605) was, especially for his times, a just ruler, that his policies of tolerance were conducive to the expansion of his empire and the good of his subjects, and that he is said to have introduced elements of Hinduism, into his own practices of worship and even the culture of the court, in Hindutva web sites he appears as a ‘‘tyrannical monarch’’; not unexpectedly, then, Aurangzeb (reigned 1658-1707), who has always been disliked by Hindu historians as a sworn enemy of the Hindus and breaker of idols, is viewed as entirely beyond the pale. The Taj Mahal, which no serious historian doubts was built at the orders of Shah Jahan (reigned 1628-58), is transformed into a Hindu monument by the name of Tejomahalay, as though its history as one of the finest examples of Mughal architecture was wholly inconsequential, a malicious invention of Muslim-loving Hindus. Lest these revisionisms be considered merely arbitrary and anomalous, the systematic patterning behind these re-writings is also evidenced by the attempt to argue, for example, that the Aryans, far from having migrated to India, originated there. These sites weave their own intricate web of links, conspiracies, and nodal points: at one moment one is in one web site, and at another moment in another. Even Krishna, who by his leela or divine magical play could be among several gopis (lovers) simultaneously, might have found his match in the world wide web; he might have gazed with awe at rhizomatic Hindutvaness at its propagandistic best. Among the most remarkable and most comprehensive of the sites are those created by the VHP and students who have constituted themselves into the Global Hindu Electronic Network (GHEN). Links take the surfer to such sites as hindunet, the Hindu Vivek Kendra, and the various articles culled from the archives of Hinduism Today, a glossy magazine published by a white sadhu who is constructing a lavish temple amidst the rich tropical green of Hawaii’s Kaui island. GHEN is sponsored by the Hindu Students Council, and the astuteness of its creators, no less than their zeal and ardour, can be gauged by the fact that it had developed into the most comprehensive site on Hindutva philosophy and aggressive Hindu nationalism at least eight years ago, when such work in cyberspace was in its infancy. GHEN was the recipient in 1996 of an award from IWAY, then one of the leading Internet magazines, for the ‘‘Best Web Page Award’’ in the religious category, and one of GHEN’s members described himself as pleased that the world was finally ‘‘taking cognisance of the most important movement in this century: the Hindutva movement’’. If GHEN shares something ominous in common with Hindutva web sites, it is the deliberate attempt to obfuscate the distinction between Hinduism and Hindutva. Swami Vivekananda, to take one instance, becomes in their histories an exponent of Hindutva ideology, not an advocate of a mere Hinduism ... Judging from GHEN’s ‘‘Swami Vivekananda Study Center’’, which presents the RSS as the fulfilment of Vivekananda’s ideas, the Swami was a militant Hindutvavadi who desired ‘‘the conquest of the whole world by the Hindu race’’. If Argentina is nothing other than ‘‘Arjuna town’’, where Arjuna — one of the five Pandava heroes who in the Mahabharata are condemned to spend 13 years in exile — went for the year that he was enjoined to remain incognito; if Denmark, rich in dairy products, is none other than ‘‘Dhenu Marg’’, the abode of cows (which the cowherd Krishna would have recognised as his own home); if the ‘‘Red Indians’’ are the signposts for the advance of an Indian civilisation in remote antiquity; and if Vivekananda’s own name, ‘‘Vive! Canada’’, is a ringing testimony to his reach over the world, even demonstrable proof of intrepid Indian explorers having used the scientific advances of the ancient Hindus to reach Canada centuries before the European Age of Exploration commenced, then surely it is not too far-fetched to imagine that Vivekananda desired the worldwide supremacy of the Hindu race . Sometimes the expression of Hindu identity is manifested by waging a virulent attack on Islam, as in the web site, located in the United States, that takes its name from the Sanskrit phrase Satyameva Jayate (Truth Alone Triumphs), which is the national motto of sovereign India. Though viewers are invited to send e-mail to a person carrying a Muslim name, ‘‘Zulfikar’’, the web site is almost certainly operated by a Hindu. The site is linked to the home page of a ‘‘Vedic astrologer’’ and the remarks about Islam and its Prophet are so slanderous that it is nearly inconceivable that any Muslim, howsoever much an unbeliever, would have dared to be so foolishly offensive... I have given a mere inkling of the Hindu histories that dominate on the Internet, and in conclusion it merits reiteration that the very proclivity to argue in the language of the historian shows how far the proponents of Hindutva have abandoned the language of Hinduism for the epistemological imperatives of modernity and the nation-state. Nothing resonates as strongly as their desire to strip Hinduism of myth, of its ahistoricist sensibilities, and to impose on the understanding of Hinduism and the Indian past alike the structures of a purportedly scientific history. Typically, as in the article on ‘‘The Destruction of the Hindu Temples by Muslims, Part IV’, found on the ‘‘Satyameva Jayate’’ web site, no page numbers are ever furnished, nor are titles of works enumerated; nonetheless, a tone of authority is sought and injected by the note placed at the end: ‘‘Works of Arun Shourie, Harsh Narain, Jay Dubashi, and Sita Ram Goel have been used in this article.’’ The mention of ‘‘references’’ imparts a scholarly note to the piece, and the invitation to employ the verifiability hypothesis suggests the detachment of the scientist, the objectivity of the social scientist who has no ambition but the discernment of truth, and the scrupulousness of the investigator. I hasten to add that this is keeping well within the norm of Hindutva history: the unattributed article, ‘‘The Real Akbar, The (not) so Great’’, is likewise based on a number of sources, though their worthiness as specimens of authoritative scholarship can be construed from the great affection that Hindutva historians have developed for Will Durant. ‘‘The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilisation,’’ writes Rajiv Varma in his Internet article on Muslim atrocities, ‘‘the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history.’’ The West be damned, but when the occasion demands, the authority of even its mediocre historians is construed as incontestable. From their concerted endeavours to impart a precise historical specificity to the Mahabharata and the Ramayana, as evidenced by the laborious efforts at reconstructing the chronology of the events depicted in the epics and turning the principal characters into live historical figures who were the Moses, Abraham, Isaac, and Christ of Hinduism, to the onslaught on the generally accepted theory of an Aryan migration to India — an onslaught first headed, it is no accident, by an Indian aerospace engineer, N S Rajaram, who is described as valiantly having temporarily set aside his career in the interest of exposing, the largest ‘‘hoax’’ in human history — the Hindutvavadis have signified their attachment to historical discourses. Historical discourses are preeminently the discourses of the nation, and the interest, which has something in common with the historical archive, making it intrinsically hospitable to the modernist sensibility of the historian, is poised to become the ground on which the advocates of Hindutva will stage their revisionist histories. Whether cyberspace is ‘‘Republican’’ is a matter on which we can defer judgment, but it is poised, alarmingly, to become a Hindutva domain, considering that there are scarcely any web sites which offer competing narratives. Dharmakshetre, Kurukshetre (on the field of dharma, righteousness; on the field of the Kurus), says the Bhagavad Gita in its opening line, but today this might well be: dharmakshetre, cyberkshetre. If the computer scientist-historian types who inhabit Silicon Valley, and their diasporic brethren, have it their way, Hinduism will become that very ‘‘world historical religion’’ they have craved to see, and Hindutva history will be the most tangible product of the wave of globalisation over which they preside from their diasporic vantagepoint.

Posted by: bharathpremi Apr 20 2005, 08:58 PM

any one here from LA. would like to attend. I'd be there for sure on saturday. Conference - Political Hinduism At UCLA May 6-7,2005 Friday, May 06, 2005 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM UCLA Haines 118 Los Angeles, CA 90095 The political ascendancy of the Hindu right in India since the mid-1980s has been a subject of much scholarly inquiry. This conference is not intended to cover terrain that has already been well explored, but rather it seeks to open new lines of inquiry and bring cultural anthropologists, scholars of Hinduism, media and cultural studies practitioners, historians, and scholars of Indian culture more broadly into conversation with each other. The distinguished scholars who will be presenting papers at this conference will pose different kinds of questions, such as: What is the relationship between Hindu militancy and Hindutva to Hinduism on the ground? Have Hindu modes of worship and religious practices witnessed any dramatic changes? We have all heard much about 'Vedic science', but is the Hindi film also a barometer of these changes, and not only in the most obvious ways (increasing references to terrorism in Pakistan, for instance)? Again, we have heard (correctly or otherwise) a good deal about the elevation of the Ramacaritmanas into an allegedly hegemonic text under the aegis of Hindutva, but can we entertain broader considerations about how certain texts, religious practices, deities, and 'margas' have prospered while others have declined, been demoted, or have suffered from neglect? is it only the upper castes which have mobilized in the name of Hindutva, or have the lower castes done so as well? Can there be 'political Hinduism' that is something other than Hindutva? Conference Organizer: Vinay Lal (Director, Colloquium on South Asian History and Cultural Studies) PROGRAM: ALL events will be held in HAINES 118 Friday, May 6 9 - 9:30 AM The Politics of Hinduism: Introduction to the Conference Vinay Lal (History, UCLA) 9:30 - 11 AM Tilak's Arctic Home Theory: Religion, Politics, and the Colonial Context Madhav Deshpande (Sanskrit and Linguistics, University of Michigan-Ann Arbor) 11:15 - 12:45 AM Vande Mataram: the Genesis and Power of a Song Julius Lipner (Divinity, Cambridge University, UK) 12:45 - 2:15 PM LUNCH 2:15- 3:45 AM Religious Categories, Translation and Everyday Life Veena Das (Anthropology, Johns Hopkins University) 4 - 5:30 PM C. Rajagopalachari and the Cultural Work of the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan Paula Richman (Religion, Oberlin College) Saturday, May 7 9 - 10:30 AM Making Hinduism Global: New Guru-Oriented Religious Movement as Confluent with or Counter to Hindutva? Joanne Waghorne (Religion, Syracuse University) 10:30 - noon Nationalist Nostalgias, Diasporic Desires: Identity and Tradition in an Era of Transnational Media Purnima Mankekar (Cultural and Social Anthropology, Stanford) Noon - 1:15 PM LUNCH 1:15 - 2:45 PM Ramdev and Ravidas: How Hinduism gets Political for Dalits Chris Pinney (Anthropology & Visual Culture, University College London) 2:45 - 4:15 PM Getting a Life: The “Hanumayana” as Emerging Epic Philip Lutgendorf (Hindi and Indian Studies, University of Iowa) 4:30 - 6 PM Patriotism and the Hindi Film Ron Inden (History, and South Asian Languages & Civilizations, University of Chicago) * * * To keep up with Asia-related events in Southern California, visit the calendar section of the Asia Institute website. If you would like to receive a weekly email newsletter listing Asia-focused events, please send your name and email address to asia@international.ucla.edu. Cost: Free Special Instructions The conference is free and open to the public. Parking is $7 and available at Lots 2 and 3. Sponsor(s): Asia Institute, UCLA Department of History, UCLA Center for the Study of Religion, Center for Modern and Contemporary Studies, Colloquium on South Asian History and Cultural Studies

Posted by: Viren Apr 21 2005, 07:33 AM

Vinay Lal in support of Taliban destroying Bamiyan Buddha

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Dr. Vinay Lal, Sabrang/FOIL spokesman and Associate Professor of History at University of California at Los Angeles (as he never fails to remind us), explains Sabrang’s concept of treating all religions equally – when he tells us that the Taliban was justified in destroying the Bamiyan Buddhas [[xx]] - since they represented other religions
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/sabrang_faq_meets_reality.html Detailed article http://www.littlemag.com/mar-apr01/vinay.html
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All that is left of the statues of the Buddha at Bamiyan are fragments. Recent news reports suggest that these fragments are ending up in the bazaars of Peshawar, where traders are selling them to tourists. A report in the Hindustan Times on April 2, 2001, states that the dealers are convinced that these fragments would be prized in the same way as pieces of the Berlin Wall. No one doubts, notwithstanding the immense difficulties of German reunification and the resuscitation of neo-Hitlerite sentiments among considerable segments of the German youth, that the Berlin Wall had to come down, but surely we cannot say the same of the Bamiyan Buddha statues? By what reckoning did the Bamiyan Buddhas become a Berlin Wall for the Taliban? Moreover, when walls break into fragments, does it not behove us to ask how fragments can create their own walls? Are the stories that fragments tell necessarily fragmentary? Writing shortly after World War II, Adorno described the fragments that make up Minima Moralia as reflections from a damaged life. Adorno did not think it merely impossible to write poetry after Auschwitz, all the grand Enlightenment narratives appeared to be so much debris, even offensive and chillingly optimistic. Not only had war devastated Europe, but his own civilised countrymen, the intellectual heirs and descendants of Goethe, Beethoven, Schiller, Kant, Hegel, Novalis, Herder, Schumann and Schubert, had descended to the nadir of human experience in dispatching, with all the energy and ingenuity that a regime enamoured of social engineering, the precise orchestration of life and bureaucratic efficiency is capable of, six million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and mentally ill people to their death. Adorno must have thought a good deal of fragments in those days: scarred lives, broken families, shattered buildings and charred landscapes stared him in the face and not less alarmingly the lofty hopes which promised the sovereignty of reason and saw the story of humankind as an increasing progression towards the attainment of liberty and democracy stood largely in ruins. His contemporary and fellow theorist, Walter Benjamin, who perished in the War and scarcely saw the worst of what the troubled project of modernity could sow, had nonetheless the prescience to declare, There is no monument of civilisation that is not at the same time a monument of barbarism. The idea of fragments has a chequered history, and in recent years South Asian intellectuals have furnished some other fragments of the story. Gyanendra Pandey and Partha Chatterjee have reminded us that the nation has its own ‘fragments’, those sections which have been excluded from the enterprise of the modern nation-state, or are repeatedly thwarted in their attempts to claim the privileges attendant upon citizenship. Relegated to the periphery, these fragments women, religious and linguistic minorities, Adivasis, the lower castes, Naxalites and radical dissenters, among many others have at different times and in varying literatures been known as the oppressed, the excluded and the people without history. Thus, some scholars have asked whether Pandey’s article, ‘In Defense of the Fragment’, is anything more than a postmodern variant of what the Americans call ‘multiculturalism’, or an eloquent plea to allow minorities and the underprivileged their rightful place in the political and social life of the nation. It is sometimes suggested that the avowed attachment to such terms as ‘fragments’ is a sign of postmodern excess, yet another endeavour to decentre the grand narratives none is grander than the idea of the nation-state bequeathed by modernity. Yet, the customary terminology by which we seek to designate the excluded or in the idiom of the day the subaltern classes, scarcely conveys the resonance that the term ‘fragment’ does: around fragments lie the debris of much history. Whatever postmodernism’s disenchantment with the totalising narratives of nation-state and history history of which Europe is always the central reference point it is useful to recall that even the militant Hinduism of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad thrives on the idea of fragments. The most prominent, not to mention brazenly provocative, Hindutva Websites demonstrate an extraordinarily keen interest in those Hindu temples which are alleged to have been destroyed or reduced to ruins by Muslim invaders. The Hindutvavadis understand, perhaps more than their adversaries, that the more compelling and cementing narratives are written around tales of destruction, around the fragments which remain and betoken histories imagined as much as real. So charmed is the VHP by Hindu temples rendered extinct, mutilated or left in ruins that it construes these sites as the sure sign of a Hindu presence, a reminder of the fact that the Hindu has everywhere been the victim of more malignant and aggressive religions and ideologies. But fragments do not a whole make, as the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas so palpably demonstrates. What histories, counter-histories and myths can we, then, write from the fragments that remain of these Buddhas that, chiselled into the face of a mountain, stood forth in majestic silence for well over a thousand years? The most sustained modern myth about such acts of terror terror, not the terrorism that becomes the pretext for yet another display of American self-aggrandisement and chastisement, for terror it is when beauty is so cavalierly sundered apart is to suppose that they are expressions of feudal rage, a regression to the barbarism of the pre-modern age and manifestation of the ‘medievalism’ to which many underdeveloped nations are still believed to be bound. This argument is conjoined with the observation that one could not have expected otherwise from a regime which is sworn to uphold a rigid and puritanical conception of Islam, though the edict of February 26 These idols have been gods of the infidels handed down by Muhammad Omar, supreme commander of the Taliban, appears to furnish, to those who wish to read it as such, an indictment of Islam as a whole. Indeed, the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas brings with astonishing ease to many lips the epithet, ‘Islamic medievalism’. If the dominant stereotypical conception of Islamic fundamentalism which gorges on tales of Taliban fanaticism, the evil genius of Osama bin Laden, global Muslim terrorist networks, the contamination of the noble idea of education in tens of thousands of madrassas, and the relentless subjugation of women and girls is to be believed, ‘medieval Islam’ is a wholly belaboured idea: Islam was always medieval. The ‘modern West’ and ‘medieval Islam’ are supposed to stand in natural and diametrical opposition to each other. For all the wide acceptance of the twin ideas of ingrained Islamic fundamentalism and feudal or medieval rage as the two most constituent elements of the narrative which seeks to explain the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas, it is heartening to note that some commentators have dismissed these gross reductionisms. One strategy is to take recourse to other strands of political commentary: for instance, it is scarcely irrelevant that the Taliban are under strict sanctions mandated by the American-dominated Security Council, though many member states of the UN rightly took the view that the only productive way to engage with the Taliban is to enter into a dialogue with the regime. These sanctions have doubtless compounded the Taliban’s difficulties, and are seen as particularly onerous and unjustified at a time when Mullah Omar is credited with having helped to destroy the poppy crop (the raw material for manufacturing heroin) whose eradication was sought as a precondition for the restoration of normal relations between the Taliban and the West. Indeed, the area of Afghanistan under Taliban rule has recently been certified by a UN inspection team as poppy-free. Thus, the destruction of the statues is construed as an expression not only of the Taliban’s anger but of its sense of betrayal, its feeling of isolation and its profound disappointment that it should not have been suitably rewarded on the one occasion when it subscribed to some norms of international political engagement. Two decades ago, realpolitik bound together Afghanistan and the United States in a modern variation of the Great Game, and one should not be allowed to forget that Ronald Reagan welcomed the Mujahideen to the White House as freedom fighters; at this juncture in history, it is still the relentless zero-sum of politics which makes the United States and its leading adversary, Afghanistan, look strikingly akin. The fanaticism of the powerful and the fanaticism of the powerless have much in common. The fanaticism of the Taliban should by no means be allowed to stand forth metonymically for the barbarism of the pre-Enlightenment age or the alleged fanaticism of Islam. In the early seventh century, if the testimony of the Chinese scholar Hiuen Tsang is reliable, Bamiyan was a flourishing centre of Buddhist learning, and it was home to thousands of monks settled in several monasteries. Though Kabul and Kandahar were overrun by the Arabs in the late seventh century, Bamiyan remained under Buddhist rule for at least another century. The conversion to Islam among Bamiyan’s political elite transpired under the Abbasids. Bamiyan’s two gigantic Buddhas, which were installed at least three centuries apart, the latter between 500 and 700 AD, were spared by Mahmud of Ghazni. Subsequent invaders, such as Genghis Khan, appear to have been less indifferent, and there seems to be some evidence that he had cannon fire directed at the Buddhas. Numerous commentators, keen on validating the commonly-held view which ascribes to Aurangzeb a puritanical hatred for the infidels, have noted that he initiated an assault upon Bamiyan, but those who wish to bestow ecumenical credentials upon him point to the fact that notwithstanding his military activity in the Deccan over two decades, he left the Ajanta and Ellora caves untouched. But in all of this there is little to substantiate the view that the medieval mentality is writ large in the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas. The recent bombardment of the National Library at Sarajevo, and indeed the decimation of nearly the whole city, which was ‘multicultural’ for long before the capitals of Western Europe acquired a semblance of pluralism and tolerance, stands forth as testimony to the fact that modernity has been much less hospitable to diffused, unbounded, and multiple identities than we have commonly supposed. If the idea of cosmopolitan pasts Bamiyan lay on the Silk Route, and here merged multiple ethnic, religious, and linguistic histories is now under assault, and yet ‘universal’ cities appear to be emblematic of late modernity, then the burden is to establish how modern cosmopolitanisms differ from pre-modern cosmopolitanisms. The universalisms of late modernity must be juxtaposed not with the supposed particularisms of the pre-modern era, but rather with the less oppressive universalisms of those times that we mistakenly characterise as pre-Enlightenment. It is not less significant, since much is often made of Islam’s supposed irrationality, that all the Muslim states have emphatically repudiated the Taliban’s actions, and even Saudi Arabia, which fancies itself as the guardian of an authentic and orthodox Islam, declared itself unequivocally opposed to the destruction of the Buddhas. The Arab group in UNESCO termed the Taliban’s action savage. Nothing in the Sharia, or in the pronouncements of various Islamic schools of law, encourages the destruction of monuments which are not the sites of religious worship and cannot therefore be construed to be ‘idols’. Most poignantly, the call to jihad, which is described by the Taliban as having furnished it with the warrant to take action at Bamiyan, has been stripped of its endearing promise. The authorised translation of the Holy Quran, published by the King Fahd Holy Quran Printing Complex, states that the essence of jihad consists in abiding by a true and sincere faith, which so fixes its gaze on Allah that all selfish or worldly motives seem paltry and fade away. It warns against the vulgarisation of the concept by explicitly opposing mere brutal fighting to the whole spirit of jihad, and calls upon the believer to wage jihad against himself or herself, so that one can learn to listen to the voice of Allah or (in the idiom of Gandhi) to the still inner voice within. Yet, despite this lofty conception of jihad, the onus appears to have been placed upon Islam to exonerate itself. This act of vandalism, editorialised the Times of India (March 4, 2001), is likely to be detrimental to the larger interests of the entire Islamic world unless the governments and clergy of those countries speak out strongly against the Taliban. Well-intentioned as this sentiment is, it is a marvel that Islam should be called upon to demonstrate its innocence. No one took it as axiomatic when the Bosnian Muslims were being butchered and the monuments of their culture were razed to the ground, that Christianity had to endeavour to save its name by publicly and repeatedly disassociating itself from the actions of its self-appointed emissaries. Though the editorial appears to be understandably generous in pronouncing that the Taliban are not defending the true faith; it is grievously undermining it, there is a presupposition that Islam, perhaps more than any other faith, is always on the brink of falling into a fanatical mode. What interpretative and ethical framework remains, then, for understanding the madness that has transpired to efface the gentle colossi that stood at Bamiyan? One has heard the phrase ‘brotherhood of fundamentalists’: the destruction of the Babri Masjid and the Bamiyan Buddhas can be distinguished in some respects, but fervent secularists do not doubt that the advocates of Hindutva, the Taliban, Zionists and the evangelical Christians in Kansas who succeeded in having creationism placed alongside evolutionism as an account of the origins of the universe in school textbooks, are all moulded from the same clay. They see in the tragic events of Bamiyan the insistent and maniacal unfolding of fundamentalism. Though the gross inadequacies of this view are all too evident, just as secularism remains impenitent about its own intolerance for competing world-views, the comparison between the Hindutva advocates and the Taliban is illuminating in some respects. Traditionally, one mark of distinction between religion and politics was to describe the former as ‘self-regarding’ and the latter as ‘other-regarding’, but what is striking is how far the Taliban and Hindutvavadis are concerned with the religion of others rather than with their own faith. Many of the most zealous spokespersons for Hindutva give the distinct impression of being less interested in Hinduism than in Islam, and the Taliban’s destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas betrays a similar anxiety. It is not so much the admixture of religion and politics, of which no less a person than Gandhi was a firm proponent, that is problematic as much as the transformation of religion into ‘other-regarding’ and politics into ‘self-regarding’. What the Taliban have disowned is the pluralistic pasts of both Afghanistan and Islam. It can reasonably be argued that Afghanistan is much more than its present Islamic existence, though perhaps the more arresting formulation is that the Islam of Afghanistan (not to mention neighbouring Pakistan) has, woven into it, all the previous strands of Afghanistan’s history. Islam in Pakistan and Afghanistan is afflicted with profoundly disabling anxieties about authenticity, cosmology, and identity; it persists, not always self-consciously, in seeing itself as a second-hand, inferior version of the Prophet’s religion as it is housed in Mecca and Medina. This Islam has almost none of the confidence of Indonesian (and especially Javanese) Muslims, who have embraced the Ramayana and the Mahabharata as their own and have interwoven Islamic practices into ‘Hindu’ cosmologies. Java has no Hindus, and yet a massive statue of Arjuna’s chariot being driven by Krishna adorns one of the central thoroughfares in Jakarta. Such a dialectic of presence and absence is perhaps itself the source of anxiety: commentators point to the absence of Buddhists in Afghanistan to express their bewilderment that the Bamiyan Buddhas should have been construed as a threat, but it is possible to imagine that even a faint Buddhist presence might have been more reassuring to the Taliban and helped to save the Buddhas. Ironically, much as the Taliban would be loath to admit it, their most eloquent spokesman is the hyper-rational Naipaul, who has stated with supreme confidence that all non-Arab Muslims are mere converts and consequently imperfect specimens of their faith. This suggests that the pathology of rationality is at least as interesting a discursive field as the pathology of irrationality; self-hatred is by no means a prerogative of those whom we wish to condemn as irrational. Previously Naipaul, writing in the pages of the New York Review of Books the vehicle of the secular, liberal intelligentsia of the United States and some wider worlds spoke of the destiny of humankind to embrace what he calls our universal civilisation, a civilisation predictably rooted in the values of the modern, secular, liberal West. Taken together, Naipaul’s pronouncements point to no conclusion but this: either the peoples of the non-West can choose to enter into the universal civilisation or, by their defiance, they can place themselves outside the pale of the community of the civilised. Even Samuel Huntington’s hysterical framework of the clash of civilisations seems charitable by contrast, since many are inclined to see in the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas a clash between the civilised and the uncivilised. Such an impoverished view of the Taliban must be unequivocally rejected not only because it is deeply injurious to an entire people, but because discursive views, strengthened by the vast paraphernalia of modernity, from media in its various manifestations to the force of sanctions, have the power to create the very object of their inquiry. When the other becomes so radically other in our sensibility, it is an ineradicable sign of our unwillingness to adhere to a vision of a communicative universe; it points to the moral defeat of all humankind. When the Bamiyan Buddhas were reduced to rubble, it was not Islam that was degraded; it was not even Buddhism which was demeaned. To admit as much is not only to take solace in the observation that the Buddha is much larger than his statues, and that the actions of the Taliban cannot dint the armour of the Buddha’s supreme intelligence, benevolence and compassion. The Buddha’s teachings have always stressed the impermanence of the material world, and it is not for nothing that the monks blow away the sand mandalas over which they have laboured with such care. Other sensibilities, however, demand a more political reading. Had the Indian media, for instance, been less parochial in its intellectual disposition, it might have been more careful in lavishing its sole attention upon acts of cultural desecration in South Asia, while ignoring the numerous tragic events with which the destruction of the Babri Masjid and the Bamiyan Buddhas share a family resemblance, stretching from the destruction of Sarajevo, the callous (and much worse) representation of war victims as collateral damage, the exceedingly modern massacres in Rwanda carried out with primitive weapons, and the genocidal elimination of Iraqis through the purported non-violence of a sanctions regime. Politics has for long been a zero-sum game, but the categories of contemporary political knowledge and practice ‘rogue states’, sanctions, ‘the international community’, among others have tightened the noose around the powerless. That is one aspect of the politics of knowledge surrounding the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas. Bamiyan compels us to ask: what are the conditions of the soul’s survival and well-being in modernity? That, however, is the subject for another meditation.

Posted by: Viren Apr 21 2005, 07:41 AM

http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/sabrang_faq_meets_reality.html

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But lets see what Sabrang's own spokesman, Associate Professor Dr. Vinay Lal of the University of California, Los Angeles, has to say on the subject: [xxi]]: “ Under British rule in India, peasants lived in "abject misery", the "forces of law and order were almost invariably deployed in favour of their oppressors", agricultural productivity in most of the country was "dismal", famine was recurrent, industries declined.. Few "serious thinkers and historians" will be found in India "who see anything good in the imperial record" (p. 358). He notes that even the indefatigable Anglophile, Nirad Chaudhuri, much admired in the West like Naipaul, "described the British in India in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries as 'the Nazis of their times'".. No doubt the British were gentler Nazis, but that is why their empire has a rather more ominous quality to it. The 'responsibilities' once exercised by the British have now devolved upon the Americans. In that most cliched formulation, the sun never set on the British empire, and now the Americans are asking us to behold the thousand points of light. They live in darkness and call it light " - recent quotes from Associate Professor Dr. Vinay Lal of the University of California, Los Angeles. Reference: [xxi] Vinay Lal : “Good Nazis and Just Scholars: Much Ado About the British Empire”. Originally published as "Good Nazis and just scholars: much ado about the British Empire", review of P. J. Marshall, ed., Cambridge Illustrated History of the British Empire, Race and Class 38, no. 4 (April-June 1997):89-101. http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/British/BrEmp.html

Posted by: utepian Apr 21 2005, 08:55 AM

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Needed a review for this Vinay Lal diatribe.
Here's one.
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With apologies to those who read The Indian Express. Although the hindutva history of PN Oak brand has been there for a long time, it seems the cyber versions have gone a step or two beyond Oak's absurdities, like when Vivekananda is conjoined with Canada in a re-configured 'Vive Canada' in a world-conquering vision ascribed to him. Of course RSS is seen as the organisation with the mission to accomplish the vision. What is even more interesting is that the author sees cyber space as a natural domain for hinduism which is essentially rhizomatic in character. Of course he slips, for hinduism and hindutva may not be the same thing. Like he slips while telling us that 'Dharmakshetre Kurukshetre' is the opening line from the Gita; in fact it is the from the first shloka of the second of the eighteen chapetrs of the Gita. I have known for a long time that I do not have to read hindutva literature if i wish to understand hinduism, but now i know one more thing: people like the author of this book, Vinay Lal, are not the best ones to tell me about hindutva history, leave alone history.
http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2003-August/002949.html

Posted by: utepian Apr 22 2005, 06:48 AM

Vomit, puke, diarrhea in the morning. Flush.gif Cure: Double dosage (donation) to Ekal Vidyalaya. http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=422160 C for cow, R for Ram, U for Uma...

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NEW DELHI: A for Arjun , B for Brahma , C for Cow, D for Dhruva , G for Ganesh , H for Hanuman ...J for Jambavant ..M for Mahadev ...R for Ram ...T for Temple, U for Uma . Aaj Somwar Hai, Shivji ka var hai; sache man se bhajan karenge, sabka bera par hai; aaj mangalwar hai, hanumanji ka var hai.... If you missed this 'Hindi-Hindu-Hindustan' version of an English primer and school prayer, head for any of the thousands of VHP-run Ekal Vidyalayas (EV) in BJP-ruled Jharkhand. Sorry, the letters 'E', 'F', 'Q', 'W', 'X' and 'Z' don't exist in the primer, but since there aren't any names of Hindu gods beginning with those letters, they're probably not worth bothering about anyway. Being run for the past many years by Friends of Tribal Society and other front organisations of the Sangh from a direct grant by the union HRD ministry, the communal curriculum and content of these schools have come to light in a report by a four-member inquiry committee of the HRD ministry. The above illustrations are only a glimpse of how the HRD ministry under M M Joshi carried out a systematic programme to Hinduise primary education, particularly in states like Jharkhand where Christian missionaries have been working among tribals for long. The report, submitted by Avdesh Kaushal, Dipak Malik, P Sudhir Kumar and K R Meena, also shows how the EVs were being used to siphon off funds obtained as grants. The Ekal Vidyalayas were siphoning off funds from the HRD ministry in the guise of providing non-formal education and learning material to village children. For instance, the team found that the school attendance register in some EVs were identical copies of those in government schools in the same villages. Obviously, the students couldn't have been attending both schools and the EV registers existed merely to justify grants. Further, a base book ( Khele, Kude, Nache, Gaye ) for training teachers of EVs was written by one Rakesh Popli who was also a member of the grants-in-aid committee of the HRD ministry that decided which NGOs would be given funds for running these schools. Popli's version of Birsa Munda's life would definitely be an eye-opener to subaltern historians. He writes: "Birsa studied in a missionary school; converted to Christianity; was made to eat beef and forced to cut his tuft in hostel; returned home upset; began worshipping tulsi, wore sacred thread; roamed in forests; struggled against missionaries, landlords and British government...arrested, slowly poisoned in jail." Popli's book also contains a series of rhymes on cow, Ram-Sita and other Gods of Hindu pantheon. Not all teachers of EVs were content with merely propagating communal education. For instance, during their visit to a EV in Jharkhand's Tantnagar block of Singhbhum district, the inquiry team was told by a teacher (Manney Singh Kandiyan) of "how he, with his other colleagues, destroyed the half-built church in 2002". Kandiyan also told the inquiry team that charges against him were dropped at the behest of the ruling party.

Posted by: Amber G. May 6 2005, 08:39 AM

Edited later: Sorry link no longer availabke, Ignore the message.

Posted by: Viren May 6 2005, 02:41 PM

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any one here from LA. would like to attend. I'd be there for sure on saturday. Conference - Political Hinduism At UCLA May 6-7,2005 Friday, May 06, 2005 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM UCLA Haines 118 Los Angeles, CA 90095
So who else is going to this meet? smile.gif Hope you are equipped with the right questions to ask? If not, please do ask for help wink.gif Otherwise, if it's anything like the Angana Cheater-ji's meet in mall, $15/samosa is pretty expensive.

Posted by: bharathpremi May 8 2005, 09:50 PM

I went to this meeting on saturday. reached at about 10 AM sat in three presentations. All the presentations were totally academic in nature. first presenter, joanne was sympathetic to hinduism. talked about guru parampara and how it influences hindutva. she said in response to one of the qns that we the researchers should have empathy for the subjects. feel for them understand them and step back analyze the topic. second one. was on visual media, in particular analyzed two things. k3g movie and how it represents NRIs and hindutva(mild reference). valentine 's day protests and here quoted some news events and tried to abuse hindutva here. last one i sat through, was a british guy who visual anthropologist. he taled about a village near gwalior and analysed their practices, beliefs: ramedev and ravidas. most of the talk was very technical and very litttle of it I understood. in total, coffee and cookies were the only good thing!

Posted by: aruni May 9 2005, 09:10 AM

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http://www.charitymonitor.org
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AID denies ties with terror groups May 05, 2005 Rediff Posted by pbuh Caught red handed with the exposure of its links to assorted Islamic and Naxal terror groups by the charity watchdog Charity Monitor, AID denied any connections to terror groups. The explanation left most impartial observors unimpressed, "no point denying the obvious, the games up for AID. I wouldn't be surprised if some AID officials are incarcerated", said an AID insider. The half hearted "rebuttal" by AID follows : Category: Slander response for dissemination Action Requested: Share with volunteers; post the response on any lists where Charity Monitor is publicized Here is our email response to the Charity Monitor website which is being publicized on some lists. Please post this wherever that website is publicized. The website for the response is http://www.aidindia.org/falsemonitor.html For any discussion on this topic, please use the forum. Any questions can be directed to: Sudarshan Suresh: sudarshan.suresh@gmail.com Aniruddha Vaidya: asvaidya@gmail.com Thanks Aniruddha Vaidya Dear friends, AID volunteers and well-wishers condemn the deliberate false propaganda by the so-called Charity Monitor website, and term the allegations baseless and malicious. We hope that the Indian-American community will see through the motivated slander campaign. While the website maintains a facade of an organization helping the community decide about charities, it is in fact just another platform to carry on propaganda against AID's development work. For 13 years, AID has based its work on Gandhian values of community-based development and non-violent campaigns for justice; and it is ridiculous to try to link our work with 'terrorism'. Please read AID's response at: http://www.aidindia.org/falsemonitor.html We sincerely urge members of the public to reject such attempts to undermine well-meaning development work in India. AID has become a target for certain narrow-minded individuals and groups because of the strong stand taken by us in favor of pluralism and secularism, and against communalism in India. This is part of a consistent campaign to call any progressive, secular group "communist", "jehadi", "anti-India" and such names. Our simple appeal to you is: Please read it! If you are interested in Charity Monitor website, please read it in its entirety. Indian-Americans, known to be among the most well-educated and technically competent, should be able to see through a shoddy paper with false references. The bulk of the document - including 24 out of 29 references - has nothing to do with AID, and makes various allegations about IMC and CAIR. However, all the titles and conclusions are about AID! For example, a section is sensationally titled "AID and IMC-USA: In praise of the Taliban". But it mostly talks about an article written by a particular IMC member in 2001, which has nothing to do with AID. The only connection to AID is that it jointly signed a resolution with IMC. But what does that resolution say? It simply requests the Government to expand the Pravasi Bharatiya Diwas "to include a vigorous dialogue and debate on issues of peace, communal harmony, social justice and the justice system, and to provide better opportunities for interactions between the NRI participants and the NGO/Social Movements sector."! AID's belief is that our collective energies should be used to address the real challenges faced by India. We invite you to join hands! Please visit www.aidindia.org or write to info@aidindia.org Some useful links to AID: A collection media articles about AID: http://www.aidindia.org/AIDRebuttal/aidarticles.htm AID's 2003 annual report: http://www.aidindia.org/aboutaid/2003AnnualReport.pdf AID's Tsunami website: http://survivors.aidindia.org Thank you AID Volunteers

Posted by: k.ram May 13 2005, 07:29 AM

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Please find below links to various Short Videos & a Presentation regarding the work done by Sewa International UK for both the Tsunami Appeal and the Gujarat Earthquake Appeal. We hope that you take a few minutes to view the videos in order to see exactly the types of rehabilitation projects that have been completed from funds collected in the United Kingdom. Please forward to all on your email contact lists. Best regards Sewa International UK Team 1. Video: Sewa International UK’s Tsunami Earthquake Appeal http://www.sewainternational.com/video/Tsunmai_Appeal.wmv 2. Video: Sewa International UK’s Gujarat Earthquake Rehabilitation Projects http://www.sewainternational.com/video/India%20EarthQuake%20Appeal.wmv 3. Video: BBC News Coverage of Sewa International UK’s Gujarat Earthquake Rehabilitation Projects http://www.sewainternational.com/video/BBC%20East%20Midlands.wmv 4. PowerPoint Presentation: Sewa International UK’s Tsunami Earthquake Appeal http://www.sewainternational.com/download/Sewa%20Presentation%202005.pdf 5. Video: UK Delegation’s visit to see Gujarat Earthquake Rehabilitation Projects funded by people of the UK (Part 1) http://www.sewainternational.com/video/UK%20Deligation%20Part%201.wmv Video: UK Delegation’s visit to see Gujarat Earthquake Rehabilitation Projects funded by people of the UK (Part 2) http://www.sewainternational.com/video/UK%20Deligation%20Part%202.wmv

Posted by: utepian May 19 2005, 12:15 PM

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Vinay Lal says that there is one thing his conference, called "Political Hinduism," was not designed to examine: the rise of the Hindu right and the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, commonly known as the BJP. That phenomenon, he says, has been widely discussed since its beginnings in the 1980s. Conference organizer Lal, who is also director of the Colloquium on South Asian History and Cultural Studies and a UCLA History professor, says that the May 6 and 7, 2005, event was instead arranged to find out how Hindutva, the idea that Hinduism is a special possession of India, and Hindu militancy affect Hinduism on the ground, as it is practiced. Thus Lal chose speakers who come from cultural studies backgrounds -- linguistics, religious studies, anthropology and history -- rather than political science. "The best work on the rise of political Hinduism has been done by historians," Lal says. "Political scientists tend to focus on Hindu-Muslim conflict." Julius Lipner, professor of Divinity at Cambridge University, for example, explained the origins of "Vande Mataram" (I revere the Mother), India's National Song. The hymn was written by Bankimchandra Chatterji at the end of the nineteenth century and published as part of his novel, Anandamath. In the song, India is "divinised" as the Mother Goddess, said Lipner, and this symbolism took on a political life of its own. Its [Vande Mataram's]nationalistic symbols engendered a Hindu tone, even though India is a very plural place and despite the fact that Chatterji wrote of the image of the Hindu goddess Lakshmi as an idea rather than a theological entity, said Lipner. "Many," Lipner said, "heard the song as a Hindu iconic representation of the nation." The first two verses of "Vande Mataram" comprise the National Song; however, the Hindu cultural organization Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) continues to sing the entire song in its original form, which includes religious iconography and the pre-partition concept of "akhand Bharat," or united India. Other insights into the practice of Hinduism come from stories and ancient texts. Paula Richman, professor of Religion at Oberlin College, :shock; discussed the life and work of Chakravarti Rajagopalachari, popularly known as Rajaji. Though Rajaji was a statesman and founder of the Swatantra Party in the fifties, he also wrote an iconic English translation of the Ramayana, published by the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan in 1957. Richman said the retelling was a "sanitized" version of the epic, first done in Tamil then translated. "Rajaji said that the epics can unite Indians," said Richman, "but he tended to have slippage between Indians and Hindus." Richman then asked if discomfort with Rajaji's political innuendo with the Ramayana is perhaps because of the last decade of Hindutva, or if it was actually problematic at the time. Ron Inden, History and South Asian Languages and Civilizations professor at the University of Chicago, challenged the idea that popular culture follows the trends of Hinduism in politics in his analysis of Mumbai films from the last fifty years. He uses the term "popular patriotism" to distinguish between political movement and cultural trends, which is to say that the two do not always fall in line. Patriotism in Hindi films, said Inden, draws from Hinduism, but also from Islam and Sikhism. "Time and again we find an elderly Muslim gentleman as the good sense of the nation," Inden said after showing a clip from Sholay (Ramesh Sippy, 1975). Inden also showed clips from The Legend of Bhagat Singh (Rajkumar Santoshi, 2002) in which a Sikh is the martyr hero of the nation. Inden argued, "It's not as if we have a situation where we have the idea of a secular nation under the threat of Hindutva [which tries] to fill the void. In order for Hindutva to take this position, it would have to displace the popular patriotism." In opening the conference Lal said that political Hinduism "generally refers to nothing more than the Hindu nationalism of the last two decades." The phenomenon, he said, actually existed much earlier, from the Maratha leader Shivaji in the 1600s to the creation of the RSS in 1925. Indeed, Mohandas Ghandi wrote in his 1927 autobiography, "I can say without the slightest hesitation, and yet in all humility, that those who say that religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion means." Presenter Madhav Deshpande, professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics at the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, offered a profile of the colorful turn-of-the-century philosopher Lokmanya Tilak. Tilak came to believe in the Arctic beginnings of the Vedas, Hindu spiritual texts. While he used astrological and geological evidence within the texts to date them at 10,000 to 8,000 B.C., Tilak's beliefs were also rooted in the influential teachings of his professors at Deccan College, Pune, during British rule. Deshpande says that Tilak's theories were widely debated and are still at issue today; many scholars believed that the Vedas' beginnings were rooted in the Indian subcontinent and thus belong to the nation. Italian-born Sonia Gandhi was elected Prime Minister -- a position she declined -- in the summer of 2004. Later that year, the guru of the prominent religious institution Kanchi matha was arrested for being involved in a murder. Events like these, said professor of Religion at Syracuse University Joanne Waghorne, bring Hinduism into focus as a choice for Indians, rather than a religion naturally associated with the nation. Her paper questions the position of "new guru-oriented religious movements" in the scheme of Hindutva. These movements, such as the Shirdi Sai Baba and Satya Sai Baba organizations and the Mata Amritanandamayi Mission, are rooted in Hinduism but also have global popularity, and thus create the "sense that Hinduism can be a world religion," said Waghorne, in the same way that an Italian-born woman can be India's leader. Writer, professor of Anthropology and Visual Culture at University College London, and, recently, documentarian Christopher Pinney described Hinduism from the Dalit, or untouchable, point-of-view. He studied a village in which Dalits had the sole ownership over the ability to be possessed and one man in particular who makes his livelihood from this ability. Unlike conferences with panel formats, each of the nine speakers was allowed forty-five minutes to an hour to present his paper, and was then given forty-five minutes to take questions and comments. At times, eighty to 100 people were in the audience. "Political Hinduism" was sponsored by the UCLA Asia Institute, Department of History, Center for the Study of Religion, Center for Modern and Contemporary Studies, and Colloquium on South Asian History and Cultural Studies. Vinay Lal is working to put together a volume about Political Hinduism which will include, but not be limited to, the papers presented at this conference. From: http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=24489

Posted by: acharya May 19 2005, 12:59 PM

event was instead arranged to find out how Hindutva, the idea that Hinduism is a special possession of India, and Hindu militancy affect Hinduism on the ground, as it is practiced.

Posted by: ashyam Jun 4 2005, 05:21 PM

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Ashyam: If you are still in touch with the SJMN writers, who I recall told off thus about Gujarat "Oh, but Amnesty International says so, how could we dismiss AI's report?". Ask them if Gitmo is really Gulag and what with most Americans now dismissing AI as propagandist?
Unfortunately no response from them after I sent the details of Angana Chatterji's links to communists with cc to editor. After that I saw only one article from Liza on SJMN regarding Afghan people. I sent her another mail and got a vacation message. May be I should try to reach her again.

Posted by: Viren Jun 6 2005, 08:58 AM

Believe Arjun's to be dropped in next cabinet shuffle.. For Arjun Singh, ‘Sri Rama’ spreads hatred S Gurumurthy

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Telling children to yell ‘A’ for ‘apple’, ‘B’ for ‘biscuit’, ‘C’ for ‘chocolate’, and ‘D’ for ‘daddy’ is secular, and amounts to secular education. This spreads harmony, peace and understanding between communities and religions. But asking them to say ‘A’ for ‘Arjuna’, ‘B’ for ‘Bhima’, ‘C’ for ‘Chola’, and ‘D’ for ‘Damayanti’ is unsecular, divisive education. Not just that. These names spread hatred between religions, Gods, and communities. Apples, biscuits, and chocolates will bring about understanding between Hindus and Muslims, between Hindus and Christians, between Christians and Muslims. But Arjuna and Bhima will do the very reverse; bring about war among Hindus and Muslims and between Hindus and Christians. This is Arjun Singh’s view of what spreads religious harmony and what spreads religious hate. This is the basis of the UPA government’s USP, de-saffronisation. It is on this logic that the UPA government has decided to deny funds to the Ekal Vidyalayas, or single teacher schools, run by many Hindu organisations. The Ekal Vidyalaya is a rapid movement, a unique experiment, to take education to tribal people living beyond the reach of the state and the market [read private sector]. In this extraordinary model, to interface the remote to the modern, a single teacher becomes the centre of all activities in a tribal village of a few hundred homes. He teaches them elementary education to begin with, and also basic hygiene, science, and other tools to handle the modern world which they are frightened to face. He also tells them about the greatness and oneness of India. He tells them stories of Rama and Krishna, Lakshmi and Saraswati, Arjuna and Bhima, Harischandra and Chandragupta. He familiarises them with modern society, which is otherwise difficult for them to handle. There are now over 15,000 single teacher schools in different corners of the country, in the remotest tribal centres. Even their worst detractors have not cited one instance of these schools engaging in any activity that harmed peace or harmony. These schools started some 25 years ago and have been running without any government aid. The Ekal movement, which is becoming the Indian model even in Africa and elsewhere, is planning to reach 100,000 single teacher schools in the next decade. Very respectable persons are associated with the movement. Those who work in Ekal schools in tribal areas cannot be hired through employment exchanges or ads in newspapers. It requires more than — actually less — career orientation to get such workers. A very high level of motivation to serve the country needs to be generated. Organisations that sponsor these schools motivate thousands of youngsters to take to this hard form of delivering social service with nationalist orientation to distant brethren. In contrast, missionaries from the West who deliver social service in the North East are also highly motivated, but with a view to divide the Nagas and Mizos from India! Why then are the Arjun Singhs inside the government and Harkishen Surjeets outside the government targetting Ekal Vidyalayas? Don’t go very far in search of reasons. That many of them are run by RSS-trained social workers is the real, hidden reason. But, Ekal Vidyalayas cannot be outlawed for their association with the RSS or VHP, which are legal organisations. Nevertheless, what the law does not allow, de-saffronisation accomplishes. In secular perspective the names of Arjuna and Bhima, Rama and Krishna, Lakshmi and Saraswati saffronise, spread hate. So to de-saffronise, outlaw Rama and Krishna themselves! One ground for denying aid to the Ekal movement is that students answer the roll call in Ekal Vidyalayas by saying ’Jai Shri Ram’, not ’Yes Sir’, when their names are called. Mahatma Gandhi would have died a thousand deaths were he to be alive today. He died when he was shot with the name of ’Rama’ on his lips, even as he lived by chanting the name of Rama always. The very Rama’s name, says Arjun Singh, now spreads hate. Arjun Singh brands himself as a secular icon precisely because he de-saffronises, that is, outlaws Rama. Why do seculars fear Rama and Krishna? This is the reason. Secularism fears a living Rama and Krishna and would not be bothered were they not a living reality in the consciousness of India. The Bhagwat Gita makes Krishna a living consciousness. Ramayana instills eternal reverence for Rama. Arjun Singh outlaws Rama and Krishna only because they are eternally part of the Indian consciousness. This is precisely what communism did in Russia. It derecognised living churches, that is, churches in which prayers were on and recognised the dead ones, namely those in which prayers had ceased! Like communism, secularism is comfortable with the dead past and is frightened of living heritage. Should Gita and Ramayana lose their relevance, the seculars will accept Krishna and Rama. Does it mean that secularism and de-saffronisation want to achieve this? Yet, Rama and Krishna will survive this kind of secularism too. But, how long will this secularism? Writer’s email: comment@gurumurthy.net

Posted by: utepian Jun 15 2005, 10:44 AM

omg.gif Angana Chatterji exposed among Orrisa Tirbals, cries rape. http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=9&theme=&usrsess=1&id=80058

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Statesman News Service BHUBANESWAR, June 14. — Hearings conducted by the Indian People’s Tribunal on environment and human rights were disrupted by suspected Sangh Parivar activists who allegedly threatened to “strip and rape” ladies of the tribunal here today. Talking to reporters a visibly shocked former chief justice of Kerala High Court Mr KK Usha and former acting Chief Justice of Gujarat High Court Mr RA Mehta along with other members of the Tribunal including Dr Angana Chatterji said they had invited VHP and Bajrang Dal members to depose today. Things were progressing smoothly, some of those present were talking at lenghth on Hindu culture, respect to women, and re-conversions, when suddenly they got a fax from the VHP and turned aggressive, tribunal members said. They demanded that cassettes used for recording their deposition be returned to them and then snatched and destroyed the tapes. Some of them started hurling abuses and threatening those who had gathered there. Nine of them surrounded the Tribunal members, while others outside shouted, “ IPT is funded by foreign agencies to tarnish the image of Hindu rashtra and we will rape these women. We will parade them naked,’ they warned, said Angana Chatterji. The fax which was received had levelled allegations against the tribunal describing it as a self-appointed body composed wholly of leftists and Hindu baiters. It also charged that the presence of an NRI (Angana Chatterji) well-known for anti-Hindu activities in USA suggests foreign funds from sources bent on destabilising the country”, said Chatterji. Rattled by the sudden burst of aggression, the Tribunal members virtually packed up and left. The hearing process was derailed, lamented the members while expressing their reluctance to lodge a police complaint. The tribunal is conducting a investigation on communalism in Orissa. It has been touring and talking to people in Phulbani, Bharak, Jagatsinghpur and Keonjhar districts since 11 June. At Phulbani the Raikia church attack incident, the tonsuring of women at Kilipal in Jagatsinghpur district were some of the instances that were being looked into. Tribunal members said they had invited the VHP and Bajrang Dal leaders today and were to conduct a public hearing later this evening. State government officers had also been invited, they added.

Posted by: Mudy Jun 15 2005, 10:50 AM

utepian, Your message is back. Guys/gals Please honor Angana. Let your singnature get rejected, more void more trouble. biggrin.gif http://www.petitiononline.com/ipt1/petition.html

Posted by: Sudhir Jun 15 2005, 10:53 AM

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Angana Chatterji exposed among Orrisa Tirbals, cries rape.
Pleasee.......... post warnings before such posts, especially around lunch time yaar. I almost puked on my keyboard at the very thought Flush.gif So, yet another lie by Angana Chatterji. Make sure you signing this http://www.petitiononline.com/foilciis/petition.html and email it to her Dean and President too dry.gif

Posted by: utepian Jun 15 2005, 11:16 AM

Never mind Mudyji. People should express their opinion -good or bad - on matters. The world has seldom seen cheats like Angana Chatterji. All that happened was her 75c Costco tapes were destroyed. And she makes this much noise? What is Indian People's Tribunal? Which people have mandated it? Who appoints the investigators? Who is Angana Chatterji to investgate anything? Why did she not take police protection? Has she filed an FIR before putting nonsense in the press? Sorry but bullshit does not pass. People please see this petition. This petition is one Angana Chatterji has written about her so-called "rape". http://www.petitiononline.com/ipt1/petition.html The alacrity with which the press-release and the petition was made, makes one suspect that all this drama was pre-planned.

Posted by: Viren Jun 16 2005, 08:21 AM

John Dayal and his buddies at FICONA, FOIL etc.. see Sanghis everywhere. A sorry bunch now planning an assault on those feeding and educating those poor tribals in India.

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Sangh aims at 100,000 Ekal schools in Tribal India by 2011, uses Zee TV and Internet to collect funds From John Dayal 16 June 05 The RSS supported Ekal Vidyalaya movement, widely held to be heavily financed by NRIs from the US as it spreads a network of institutions in tribal India teaching intolerance of other faiths to your tribals, is now on the internet, soliciting funds worldwide. It wants to expand from its current 14,000 schools to one lakh, 000 schools in the next five years or so. The movement received wide support from state and central governments during the regime of the BJP led NDA government, which lost power last year. The Ekal school group (website www. ekal. org has now roped in the Zee Television media group to help it sell its appeal for funds for what it says is its Vivekananda inspired pedagogy. According to the website, the Ekal schools' latest statistics are: Current Schools: 14108 No. Of Students: 437806 (Updated on April, 2005) The site gives the following answers to FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions), freely admitting its links with the RSS and Seva Bharati. 1) What is your ultimate goal? Nation building though educational empowerment of the weaker section of society. 2) Who is your source of inspiration? Swami Vivekananda. He is the first person in last 100 years, who have pleaded very emphatically for the educational empowerment of these forgotten people. 3) Why have you focused on tribal population? Because our history says that they are the cultural base line of India and our present experience confirms that they are the development fate line of India. 4) Why so much propaganda against you? Vested interest elements are afraid, as because of the education empowerment of these poor people, they are likely to be questioned. 5) Why do you call it as people's movement? Because we welcome every body who is interested in this cause and moreover we know that without mass participation, this goal can not be achieved. 6) Have you any activist belonging to other social organisations? Can you mention those organisations? Yes, we have the list of organisations in very large, but some of them are. 1. Chinmaya Mission 8. Sanatan Dharma Sabha 2. Ram Krishna Mission 9. Agroha Vikas Trust 3. Swadhyaya Pariwar 10. Rashtriya Swayansevak Sangh 4. Vishwa Hindu Organisation 11. Maheshwari Pragati Mandal 5. Swami Narain Organisation 12. Sindhu Sabha 6. Vivekanand Kendra 13. Vidya Bharati 7. Arya Samaj 14. Gayatri Pariwar 7) Do you discriminate on the basis of cast, creed and religion? No, everybody is welcomed in our schools. When we serve, we serve humanity. 8) Do you have Christian, Muslims in your students, teachers and full timers? Yes, we have. In states like Kerala, North East percentage is very high as for as Christian students are concerned, over all percentage is 4% which is more than the national percentage of population. 9) Do you have any link with any political party? No, absolutely not. Rather we are very much specific party must not find any place in our different local committee. 10) Who collects fund? The enlightened and successful urban families, who are dedicated to this cause. 11) What is your USP(Unique Selling Points)? 1. Definition of functional literacy - 3R- Reading, Writing, Arithmatic. 2. Definition of functional education - 1. Literacy 2. Health 3. Development 4. Empowerment. 3. Vision of 100,000 schools by 2011-12. 4. Concept of overall development of the villagers. 5. Emotional connectivity of urban families with tribal families. 6. Involvement of ladies and youth. 7. Self sufficiency of the school in five years. 8. Absolute transparancy. 9. Low cost model. 10. Administrative cost is around 10 %. 12) How do you maintain transparancy ? 1. Communications of reporting in a year through - 1. Website 2. Email 3. Post 4. Personal contact. 2. Facility to interact with following care families through email/telephone 1. School Care Family 2. Cluster Care Family 3. Project Area Care Family 4. State care family. 3. Regular persuation of school visit. 13) Who does audit the account of Ekal Vidyalaya Foundation of India? 14) Do you get government aid ? Yes, we have, but very little. 15) How do you copensate drop out donors? Our rate of drop out donors in a year is arround 20%, but rate of new addition in donor list is around 40%. 16) What makes you so confident for achieving the target of 100,000 schools by 2011-12? Overwhelming enthusiasm of eminent industrialists involved in this movement. 17) How do you expect self-suficiency of school in 5 years? Our past experience of local involvement. Through vermi compost activities we would be able to generate required resources. 18) How do you get dedicated workers in remote area ? With the help of different State Voluntary Organisations having very good service track record for so many years. 19) What is the ratio of female child and teachers in your school ? Almost more than 48%. In same states like Kerala, W. Bengal almost all the teachers are ladies. 20) Do you have any plan for futher study of bright students of your school ? Yes, we have. The planning is in process. 21) What is the dropout rate of student, teachers and fulltimer worker in your school? Drop out rate for students is - 9% Drop out rate for teacher is - 15% Drop out rate for full timers is - 12% 22) What is the further option for students after compliting the syllebus in ekal vidyalaya ? They get admission in nearby govt. schools in class 3 or 4. Some of our school become formal primary & middle schools with local help. For rest of students we conduct weekly coaching classes. 23) What is the ratio of students getting admission in govt. schools? In the states where we have completed 5 years, the ratio of such students with the pass out students from Ekal Vidyalaya is 72%. 24) What is your future plan for family care of teachers and full time workers getting such a meger honorarium? There is one full department consisting of separate trusts in different states to take care of the their occasional family need. Through vermicompost and self help group the families of our workers would be getting sufficient financial support very soon. 25) Are you working against anybody ? No, absolutely not. Ours approach is very positive. 26) Then how the exploitation of these poor people will be stopped ? After getting empowered through functional educations, the villagers would be so organised that no body would dare to think of exploiting them. One of the world's prominent company, Ernst & Young does audit the account of Ekal Vidyalaya Foundation of India. Address: S. R. BATLIBOI & CO. Ernst & Young Tower B-26, Qutab Institutional Area New Delhi 110 016, India Tel.: +91 11 2661 1004 Fax : +91 11 2661 1012

Posted by: Mudy Jun 16 2005, 08:41 AM

John Dayal objective is to close these schools. Why he is sending this info to Commies and leftist in US? Only reason I can see, ask traitors to chase Zee against fund rasing efforts. He had no problem with Madarsa or Convents. Now Ekal Vidyalaya will stop fraud conversion and ultimately source of future revenue for missionaries.

Posted by: acharya Jun 16 2005, 12:51 PM

Why he is sending this info to Commies and leftist in US? Because they get major support in US by NGO and other think tanks with hidden agenda. This has been going on for the last 30 years. They are now accusing funding of Ekal from US!

Posted by: Viren Jun 16 2005, 02:09 PM

QUOTE(utepian @ Jun 15 2005, 01:44 PM)
omg.gif Angana Chatterji exposed among Orrisa Tirbals, cries rape. http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=9&theme=&usrsess=1&id=80058
Here's a previous encounter with villagers by these good-for-nothing NRIs leaving their gucci shoes behind unsure.gif http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/sep/16varsha.htm
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Varsha Bhosle on Poddar being chased out by tribals Hilarious news item of the week, from the Pinko Express of September 13: "Hate greets NRIs in Gujarat village." Apparently, the furious villagers of Delol, near Vadodara, booted out the team of goody-two-shoes almost as soon as they arrived. Members said that they felt so threatened, and the villagers seemed so aggressive, that they left immediately. And how aggressive were the dehatis? Well, hahahahahaha.... "the atmosphere was so charged that one of the members had to leave without collecting her slippers." I could just picture this goody-no-shoes scooting into the horizon, oblivious of the hot ground. Frankly, if some clueless aliens entered my strife-struck home -- the problems of which only I knew best -- and told me stuff like one team member, Shrikumar Poddar, did ("We were trying to explain to them that it was only through peace and harmony that normalcy can return to the state"), I'd have waved my trishul, too. ROTFL.gif But I did wonder about who these guys were and what their agenda really was. And sure enough, the web threw up all the clues. For instance, a letter from Poddar to an Indian journalist: "Sangh Parivar has fired the first shot to attack everyone... Every Hindu and every Muslim and members of all other faiths are at risk, unless this virus is stopped... I do not believe all the polls that say that the people of Gujarat will make BJP win the next election... Sangh Parivar has offered Indian land for foreign troops. India will conduct joint military exercises with US in Alaska... Do tell me how you can your colleagues can stop genocide and promote unity among people." "Offered land for foreign troops"?? Hain? The lies simply go on - as in, "The association will, after enough repetition, become 'fact' in the public mind."

Posted by: Mudy Jun 16 2005, 02:15 PM

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IPT charge baseless: Sangh Statesman News Service BHUBANESWAR, June 16. — The VHP and the Bajrang Dal today spewed venom on so-called Hindu baiters who had conspired to defame the saffron outfits. Reacting sharply to the Indian People’s Tribunal for Environment and Human Rights charge that some VHP activists had threatened to rape and strip them during a public hearing on 14 June here, Bajrang Dal state convener Mr Subash Chouhan said it was not only a baseless charge but a conspiracy to defame the saffron outfits. Addressing a press conference, Mr Chouhan questioned the presence of the IPT team. He wondered what it was doing there and why it had wanted to rake up incidents which had taken place a few years ago at Phulbani or Jagatsinghpur. The Bajrang Dal leader pointed out that these pro-left activists working under the garb of self-styled tribunals had not even taken permission from district authorities for their visit. It was a pre-planned move to fan communal passions and rake up old and forgotten issues, he alleged. He also questioned the credentials of Angana Chatterji of the IPT and said she had introduced herself a couple of years ago as a journalist and was also seen addressing a Left party meeting. This time round she had claimed to be an academic, he said. biggrin.gif Denying that any Bajrang Dal or VHP activist had attended the public hearing, Mr Chouhan said he had deputed two of his representatives who were denied entry. He alleged that the party’s activists had been denied entry as this would deprive the IPT of the opportunity to level false allegations. Mr Chouhan wondered why the tribunal members had not informed police immediately. They were reportedly recording statements of those who were present but strangely they had not furnished a photograph of one of those who had allegedly threatened to rape or strip them, he noted. The Bajrang Dal leader was, however, evasive on the IPT charge that the VHP activists had received a fax and then turned aggressive. The fax was from a VHP leader who had been invited and he had sent in his statement that he was not able to attend, Mr Chouhan said. In a related incident, women activists of a CPI-M-affiliated body today staged a demonstration in front of the SP office here demanding arrest of those who had misbehaved with the IPT members. http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=9&theme=&usrsess=1&id=80231

Posted by: utepian Jun 17 2005, 06:11 AM

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=48994

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Communal hatred resurrected in Orissa: VHP Press Trust of India Bhubaneswar, June 17: The VHP and Bajrang Dal on Thursday accused the Indian Peoples’ Tribunal (IPT) of trying to ‘resurrect communal hatred in peaceful Orissa’ and strongly denied reports that its activists had disrupted a public hearing conducted by the IPT. Bajrang Dal state convenor Subash Chouhan said neither the VHP nor Dal activists were present at the venue of the hearing held on June 14 last contrary to charges levelled in some quarters. The public hearing was supposedly on environment and human rights but the IPT “ended up discussing incidents at Raikia and Kilipal ostensibly to revive communal discord”, the Sangh Parivar leaders said. “They had invited me, but I had requested two senior VHP leaders to attend the hearing but they were not allowed into the venue”, Chouhan claimed. The IPT had alleged on Tuesday that the Sangh Parivar activists disrupted the hearing conducted by two judges, former Chief Justice of Kerala High Court, Justice K.K. Usha and Justice R.A.Mehta, former Chief Justice of Gujarat High Court and even threatened some women IPT members of ‘raping’ them. Claiming that neither VHP nor Bajrang Dal had anything to do with the allegations levelled by the IPT, Chouhan said, “they have no intention to tell the truth, but seek to propagate their own agenda”. Meanwhile, CPI-M activists staged a demonstration outside the office of the Superintendent of Police to protest against the ‘actions of Sangh Parivar activists’ at the IPT hearing. URL: http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=48994

Posted by: rajesh_g Jun 17 2005, 09:17 AM

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianCivilization/message/76403

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From: "Aditi S Ray" Date: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:58 am Subject: Re: Angana Chatterji and naxals on the prowl: target, conversions oddityray Offline Offline Send Email Send Email In another forum in which Angana Chatterji is a member, one year ago, she had posted an article on Orisa written by her.I had criticised her article as being biased, and that had created quite a furore in that group, but Ms Chatterji did not react. When I had requested the owner- moderator of the group to obtain her reactions to my criticism, the owner-moderator informed me that since Ms Chatterji was very busy touring, she was pressed for time and hence she was not in a position to reply. That was that. For those interested to read the article penned by her and my objections, I post the links below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uttorshuri/message/2409 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uttorshuri/message/2444 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uttorshuri/message/2460 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uttorshuri/message/2468

Posted by: Mudy Jun 19 2005, 03:31 PM

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Dear Friends of NRI-SAHI: Please act at once and write to Mr. Nirmal Singh of NHRC in India to investigate the attacks in Orissa with a copy to Indian Media all over the world. Urge the two national co-ordinators in New York to call an urgent meeting to launch an international campaign for human rights in India so that all people regardless of their religion and ethnicity have the full exercise of their constitutional rights. Let the guilty not go unpunished this time and every time in the future if they dare to do their dastardly deeds against all human beings for their vestesd political and financial interests. Please copy your actions to me at shrikumar@comcast.net Awaiting your urgent response,,,Regards, Shrikumar & Mayurika Poddar
How they are making international issue against Hindus without any reason. Only objective is to make money from international agency and secure retirement. Don't forget he is same man who started magazine scam in US. These two people have floated couple of groups with different name and disguise themselves as Hindus, and try to represent Hindus all over world my two man group. They frequently use Vaishnava Center for Enlightment or NRI-SAHI or .... name to collect funds and represent Hindus.

Posted by: utepian Jun 20 2005, 08:26 AM

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Don't forget he is same man who started magazine scam in US.
Mudyji, what is this about?

Posted by: Mudy Jun 20 2005, 09:05 AM

20-24 years back he was involved in magazine scam.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Jun 20 2005, 03:17 PM

Don't knw if this was posted before but listen to this speech of Angana to see her anti Hindu hatred: elxr.com/dfp/dfpaudio/dfp5/09.Angana_Chatterji.mp3

Posted by: narayanan Jun 21 2005, 06:22 AM

Hi Mudy: Could u pls post details of the magazine scam? This is interesting in view of other things I've been seeing about "Vice - Knave-a Center for Lightening Suckers' Pockets" Cheers

Posted by: Viren Jun 21 2005, 07:38 AM

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They frequently use Vaishnava Center for Enlightment or NRI-SAHI or .... name to collect funds and represent Hindus.
Other organizations used by Poddar to raise $ 1. Vedanta Society 2. India Foundation 3. Seva International 4. Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment 5. International Service Society 6. Washington Watch Inc. 7. India Development Society 8. Educational Subscription Service 9. NRI-SAHI 10. Nayi Azadi Abhiyan 11. Sadanand Trust/PP

Posted by: Viren Jun 21 2005, 07:40 AM

Varsha Bhosle on Poddar being chased out by tribals http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/sep/16varsha.htm

QUOTE
Hilarious news item of the week, from the Pinko Express of September 13: "Hate greets NRIs in Gujarat village." Apparently, the furious villagers of Delol, near Vadodara, booted out the team of goody-two-shoes almost as soon as they arrived. Members said that they felt so threatened, and the villagers seemed so aggressive, that they left immediately. And how aggressive were the dehatis? Well, hahahahahaha.... "the atmosphere was so charged that one of the members had to leave without collecting her slippers." I could just picture this goody-no-shoes scooting into the horizon, oblivious of the hot ground. Frankly, if some clueless aliens entered my strife-struck home -- the problems of which only I knew best -- and told me stuff like one team member, Shrikumar Poddar, did ("We were trying to explain to them that it was only through peace and harmony that normalcy can return to the state"), I'd have waved my trishul, too. ROTFL.gif But I did wonder about who these guys were and what their agenda really was. And sure enough, the web threw up all the clues. For instance, a letter from Poddar to an Indian journalist: "Sangh Parivar has fired the first shot to attack everyone... Every Hindu and every Muslim and members of all other faiths are at risk, unless this virus is stopped... I do not believe all the polls that say that the people of Gujarat will make BJP win the next election... Sangh Parivar has offered Indian land for foreign troops. India will conduct joint military exercises with US in Alaska... Do tell me how you can your colleagues can stop genocide and promote unity among people." "Offered land for foreign troops"?? Hain? The lies simply go on - as in, "The association will, after enough repetition, become 'fact' in the public mind."

Posted by: aruni Jun 21 2005, 08:32 PM

QUOTE(utepian @ Jun 15 2005, 06:16 PM)
http://www.petitiononline.com/ipt1/petition.html
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Drew Dellinger Poets for Global Justice 124. signature rejected 123. signature rejected 123. signature rejected 122. signature rejected 121. signature rejected 120. signature rejected 119. Denise Kall student 118. kathleen merletti Service Representative 117. John Kokko Student 116. Karma Smart Student 115. Grego Rachko Visual Artist 114. Kenneth Gould Professor of Sociology, St. Lawrence University 113. Brian Klocke Dr. of Sociology 112. Richard Shapiro Associate Professor, Anthropology, California Institute of Integral Studies 111. Brian Klocke Dr. of Sociology 110. Jennifer Woods graduate student 109. Sundar Kuppuswamy System Adminstrator 108. Nayna Jhaveri Postdoctoral Fellow/Colgate University 107. chukka srinivas Woburn, MA 106. Rahul Viswanathan System Administrator 105. Eric Bourgeois, Ph.D. Adjunct Professor Sociology 104. John Ishvaradas Abdallah World Without Borders 103. Simmy Makhijani CIIS 102. V.J. Babu Engineer 101. David Naguib Pellow Professor 100. Jos Anthony Puthenveetil Chairman, International Christian Coalition for Human Rights 99. Thilakarajan Retired professor of veterinary pathology 98. Michael McCamish Anthropologist and social worker 97. Jeanette Lee San Francisco Women Against War 96. akhila raman consultant 95. line voided 94. V.Thangavelu Thamil Creative Writers Association, Canada 93. Faiza Zafar Grad Student, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 92. Zine Sano Designer 91. Frances F. Rice Office Manager 90. Stella Ng Employment Advocate-Chinese for Affirmative Action 89. elizabeth harmuth Student, CIIS 88. Ravi Ganapathy Information Technology 87. Raza Mir William Paterson University 86. Shaik Ubaid IMC-USA 85. Robert Jensen University of Texas at Austin 84. Sara Gandhi Software Engineer 83. Kate Jones California Institute for Integral Studies 82. S. Sankarapandi IT Professional 81. Danton Thurairajah 80. Viswanathan.N World Thamil Organization 79. Kaleem Kawaja Association of Indian Muslims of America, Washington DC. 78. N. Poyyayil student 77. Ashok Prasad Student, Brandeis University, USA 76. carolyn mengel wholesale supervisor 75. Richard Ganis unorganized 74. Niyati Desai CIIS 73. signature rejected 73. signature rejected 72. Shakeel Tirmizi Scientist 71. Vinod Mubayi Scientist 70. Raafay Mohammed IMC-USA 69. Shalini Nataraj Alliance for a Secular and Democratic South Asia 68. Toni Nash student, California Institute of Integral Studies 67. Sarah Jimenez Social Worker/Student 66. rachel pomerantz ciis 65. Khalid Azam IMC-USA 64. Walter J. Tanner Student, California Institute of Integral Studies 63. Erin Johansen Graduate Student in Asian and Comparative Studies, California Institute of Integral Studies 62. Sriram Ananth Social Worker 61. Hyder Khan physician/Supporters of Human Rights in India 60. perlita payne student 59. jess diliberto student,california institute of integral studies 58. Dave Thibodeau Graduate Student / California Institute of Integral Studies 57. Kellie Conley California Institute of Integral Studies/student 56. kannan srinivasan monash asia institute clayton victoria 3800 australia 55. signature rejected 54. Rajinder Singh Mago Sikh American Heritage Organization 53. signature rejected 52. signature rejected 51. Shivali Tukdeo Grad Student, University of Illinois 50. Ra Ravishankar Grad Student, University of Illinois 49. Faith Yacubian student, CIIS 48. Ashwini Rao Columbia University 47. Arvind Raman Engineer 46. signature rejected 45. Jacob Simon Treasurer/NYPC 44. Jonathan Mills Operations Manager 43. Gregory Mengel Software Engineer/Oracle Corporation 42. Eswan Keyes Fundraiser 41. signature rejected 40. signature rejected 39. signature rejected 38. Rucha Ambikar Student, California Institute of Integral Studies. 37. Zuber A. Jafri CTO 36. signature rejected 35. line voided 34. Kenji Liu Doctoral Student, California Institute of Integral Studies 33. Joseph G SecularIndia.com 32. ali khan engineer 31. line voided 30. Attaulla Khan IMC-USA 29. line voided 28. line voided 27. Susan Cersosimo Student 26. Hari Sharma professor emeritus/also: South Asian Network for Secularism and Democracy 25. Imtiazuddin Executive Director, Coalition for a Secular and Democratic India (CSDI). 24. kamayani swami humanity 23. Piya Chatterjee Dept of Women' s Studies, University of California-Riverside 23. Piya Chatterjee Dept of Women' s Studies, University of California-Riverside 22. Shambhala Warrior, MSW Doctoral Student 21. Nandita Ghosh University Professor 20. Fredrick Cloyd Student, Calilfornia Institute of Integral Studies 19. Rasheed Ahmed Indian Muslim Council-USA (IMC-USA) 18. sreangsu acharyya student 17. Melinda McBride Education, Graduate of CIIS 16. Sean Michael Graduate, California Institute of Integral Studies 15. George Abraham NRI Coalition for Social Justice 14. Anjail Arondekar University of California- Santa Cruz 13. Srimati Basu DePauw University 12. Kamala Visweswaran professor 11. Abha Sur Alliance for a Secular and Democratic South Asia 10. Harsh Kapoor South Asia Citizen's Web - France 9. satish kolluri Pace University 8. Zara Zimbardo student 7. Sukant Khurana neurobiologist 6. Shrikumar Poddar India Foundation 5. phil STUDENT 4. lisa denenmark student, CIIS 3. Charles Jeehoon Cha Korea Solidarity Committee 2. Pei Wu Student, California Institute of Integral Studies 1. Annie Paradise Student, California Institute of Integral Studies

Posted by: narayanan Jun 22 2005, 06:34 AM

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519. MArvan alshehi United Airlines
omg.gif Name sounds familiar....

Posted by: Mudy Jun 22 2005, 12:00 PM

Suddenly these people have started rejecting signature from devoted AID foot soldiers. Why? What they are hiding? Are they trying to hide funds movement from AID to CIIS dedicated professors?

Posted by: narayanan Jun 22 2005, 12:07 PM

No loyalty among thieves and commies, obviously. Shame on them! This is worse than AID rejecting the DYFI and Naxals who took the money that their stupid donors gave after the tsunami. Then again, maybe it is the

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REVENGE OF THE NAXALS
tv_feliz.gif Any way, interesting to watch from the sidelines as they Flush.gif each other.

Posted by: AJay Jun 22 2005, 12:51 PM

522. M C Hutiya Private biggrin.gif

Posted by: Viren Jun 22 2005, 08:17 PM

Hey WTF is happening with that Angana petition mad.gif The a lot of the signatures on that petition (as archieved in this thread by aruni about 24 hours ago) have disappeared. What's going on ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

Posted by: narayanan Jun 23 2005, 06:23 AM

Same thing that happened to AID-India web site, presumably. tv_feliz.gif After all, great (red) minds, or what passes for those between (red) ears, function alike. I hope the poor CIIS Graduate Student Wei Poo, (hope I got the name right) wasn't executed for displeasing his/her Comrade Politburo Academicians . blink.gif But you have to agree that this a fine Petition. "Hon. Ambassador: Herewith please kindly find attach 1 No.s (ONE) Petishun with over 570 signatures, of which only 569 are Rejected or Line Voided, being submitted for your immediate attention..." Communist thinking at its pinnacle. Flush.gif

Posted by: Shambhu Jun 23 2005, 08:37 AM

QUOTE(Viren @ Jun 23 2005, 08:47 AM)
Hey WTF is happening with that Angana petition mad.gif The a lot of the signatures on that petition (as archieved in this thread by aruni about 24 hours ago) have disappeared. What's going on ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
Diasppearances and deletions are done for the Greater Good of the People. TiannAMEN! flex.gif

Posted by: narayanan Jun 23 2005, 10:54 AM

I c what u mean. Just looked up this very amazing Petition about the "Amazing Comrade Teacher". 578 SIGNATURES Just checking the latest page as a sample, and posting it for Poster(ior)ity: Name Occupation/ Organization 578. pending approval 577. Vibhuti Mehra Concerned Citizen of India 576. signature rejected 575. signature rejected 574. Meenakshi Ganguly Human Rights Watch 573. signature rejected 572. signature rejected 571. signature rejected 570. signature rejected 569. signature rejected 568. signature rejected 567. signature rejected 566. signature rejected 565. signature rejected 564. signature rejected 563. signature rejected 562. signature rejected 561. signature rejected 560. signature rejected 559. signature rejected 558. signature rejected 557. signature rejected 556. signature rejected 555. signature rejected 554. signature rejected 553. signature rejected 552. signature rejected 551. signature rejected 550. saima anwer save the children 549. porchezhian Ramaswamy Missouri Tamil sangam 548. signature rejected 547. Roger Hutchinson Professor Emeritus Emmanuel College University of Toronto 546. signature rejected 545. signature rejected 544. signature rejected 543. line voided 542. signature rejected 541. Nicole Margiasso student 540. signature rejected 539. signature rejected 538. line voided 537. signature rejected 536. line voided 535. line voided 534. line voided 533. line voided 532. line voided 531. line voided 530. signature rejected 529. line voided 528. line voided Wow! I am going to create Petition saying:

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CONDOM SAFFRON ZERROWS! GOLA MUSHARRAF IS OUR HERROW!
addressed to:
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Hon. Kofi "crudeoily" Anan, Vladimir Putin, George Bush, Kim Jong Ill, and ManMohan "Is it OK by Soniaji"? Singh.
Guaranteed to reach 100,000,000,000,000,003 signatures within a weekend, of which all but 3 will be by Comrades
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signature rejected and Comrade line voided
The problem is to find the 3 people who can read and write to put real signatures, just like the FOIL is finding out. ROTFL.gif

Posted by: Shambhu Jun 23 2005, 11:35 AM

Just wait till you damn democracy-loving scum see the proud "Line Voided" and the magnificent "Signature Rejected" flags flying on top of the Red Fort.. Sincerely, Rangeen Cheen ka Shaukeen tongue.gif

Posted by: Viren Jun 23 2005, 11:51 AM

It's interesting to note that all the AID folks who signed were dumped ohmy.gif Is Angana and FOILees breaking rank with AID? What happened - the negative publicity of AID jeevan haathis holding 'Allah destory India' signs last month in Angana's backyard causing some problems for Angana and her jihadi-comrades?

Posted by: agnivayu Jun 23 2005, 06:10 PM

This article in the San Francisco Chronicle is blatantly anti-Hindu, not just anti-Hindutva. It contains raw hatred and bigotry and reads more like Hitler's "Mein Kamf". Is there anything we can do to sue this newspaper ? I think Law suits are the most effective weapon today. Most of the blame is not on the lefty whites, but the Indian Commie scum. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/23/MNG7ADDAE11.DTL S.F. professor fears Hindu retaliation Militants threaten rape over investigations of caste tension, she says Mark Williams, Jehangir Pocha, Chronicle Foreign Service Thursday, June 23, 2005 Religious Campaign. Chronicle Graphic New Delhi -- A San Francisco professor has become embroiled in a dispute with militant Hindu activists who, she says, threatened to parade her naked in the streets and rape her because she was working with a local organization investigating religious and caste tensions in eastern India. Angana Chatterji, an associate professor of social and cultural anthropology at the California Institute of Integral Studies, says the threats against her and other female members of the Indian People's Tribunal on the Environment and Human Rights were made last week as they took testimony from residents in impoverished Orissa state. Over the past few years, Orissa has become a focal point in a campaign by Hindu fundamentalists to turn secular India into a Hindu nation ruled by Hindutva, a set of strict Brahmin principles. The campaign has heated up into a simmering "war for souls" as Hindu nationalists struggle to halt conversions to Islam and Christianity among the state's impoverished lower castes and classes. Chatterji, an Indian citizen born in Calcutta, has stirred the ire of Hindu nationalists before by writing about religious violence in other Indian states and campaigning in the United States to block funding for extremist Indian groups. The controversy last week came as Chatterji and other members of the tribunal were taking depositions from activists belonging to three Hindu groups -- the Bajrang Dal (army of the monkey god, Hanuman), Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and the women's wing of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Volunteers Group). The meeting was peaceful, Chatterji said by telephone, until her group received a fax from the state office of the Hindu council labeling the tribunal a collection of "leftists, fellow travelers (and) Hindu baiters." In a pointed reference to Chatterji, it said: "The inclusion of an NRI (nonresident Indian) well known for anti-Hindu activities in the U.S. suggests foreign funds from sources bent on destabilizing the country." "At that point,'' Chatterji said, "things started to get violent." Activists from the Bajrang Dal and the World Hindu Council surrounded the tribunal members -- academics, human rights workers and retired judges among them -- and demanded that the audio recordings of their testimony be handed over. Chatterji refused, but to placate them, she said, she destroyed the tapes in front of them, and hearings were canceled for the day. Outside, the crowd grew agitated, Chatterji said, with some shouting, "We will rape those women" as others allegedly called out: "We will parade them naked." India's official National Human Rights Commission has reported that the stripping and public parading of women is a tactic used by upper-caste and Hindu nationalists to intimidate and punish those who oppose them. Two former chief justices in the tribunal, K.K. Usha and R.A. Mehta, called the incident "shocking, outrageous and highly deplorable." Subash Chouhan, a senior state leader of the Bajrang Dal, denied that members of his organization had threatened the tribunal members with rape. But at a press conference several days later, he warned that if Chatterji continued her work in Orissa, the Bajrang Dal and the Hindu council would continue to "challenge and repress" her. India's Foreign Ministry, acting on complaints received by U.S. citizens, has said it will ask the chief minister of Orissa to investigate the matter. Chatterji said she and the tribunal had also asked the Human Rights Commission to investigate the threats and conditions in Orissa. At the California Institute of Integral Studies, on Mission Street near Civic Center, Joseph Subbiondo, the school's president, called Chatterji "an amazing teacher whose students deeply respect her.'' He said he was concerned about her security. "She could be here in cool San Francisco, but she's over there in hot India really pushing for the people," he said. The battle over India's future as a secular nation or Hindu state has stirred passions in the country and beyond. The Hindu nationalists are led by the Sangh Parivar (the Family of the Sangh), a loose coalition of groups that used Hindutva as a rallying cry to fuel the rise of the Bharatiya Janata Party. The party, known as the BJP, came to power in 1998 and ruled India for almost six years until May 2004, when it lost in general elections to the center-left Congress Party. In recent years, the Sangh Parivar has carried out a major drive in Orissa state to win over Indians who it said had drifted away from Hinduism. Many of Orissa's 37 million people are tribal people and others considered "untouchable" under the officially banned but still entrenched Hindu caste system. Neglected by those in power, the tribals and "untouchables'' (who call themselves Dalits, or broken people) became the target of aggressive evangelizing by Muslim, Christian and Buddhist groups. Once Dalits and tribals switch faiths, they often join Orissa's millions of Christians and Muslims in voting against the upper caste-dominated BJP. That upsets Hindu nationalists like Chouhan, the Bajrang Dal state official. "Christians pay people to convert, (and) Muslims created the caste system to weaken Hinduism," Chouhan said. Stirring voters with this argument, the Sangh Parivar and BJP called for a ban on Muslim and Christian evangelizing and began to woo tribals and Dalits into mainstream Hinduism. Their efforts have paid off; while the BJP lost the 2004 elections, it carried Orissa state. But the "war for souls'' ignited in Orissa continues to blaze in the state and beyond. Both supporters and opponents of Hindu nationalism have started political parties in many countries, including the United States. Pro-Hindutva groups have organized and have sent millions of dollars to Sangh Parivar organizations in India, according to New York-based Human Rights Watch. In response, Chatterji and several other Indian academics in the United States have formed organizations such as the Coalition Against Genocide, whose name was inspired by deadly anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat that killed up to 2, 000 people in 2002. Since that year, Chatterji has visited more than 60 villages in India to collect testimony from victims and perpetrators of religious and caste violence, including the burning of Christian churches. In one notorious incident, Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons, Philip and Timothy, were burned to death in their car in 1999. Staines had worked for more than 30 years in a leper colony in the state and was accused of making mass conversions to Christianity. Most recently, Chatterji and the Coalition Against Genocide riled the Sangh Parivar by lobbying the United States to deny an entry visa to Narendra Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat. Modi's administration was criticized for its response to the riots in 2002. Chatterji said that after last week's incident, she had received an anonymous phone call warning "if I did not behave like a woman should, I would be raped, murdered, then cut into pieces, and no one would know how it happened." Despite the threats, Chatterji said her tribunal would continue its work in Orissa. "The Sangh Parivar has been very clear in its intent to make Orissa a Hindutva state," she said. "To stop them from delivering on this, we need to act, and now."

Posted by: narayanan Jun 23 2005, 07:59 PM

Unfortunately, San Francisco Chronicle is immune to lawsuits. Simple logic:

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Not guilty by reason of stupidity
Editors applied to be on the OJ Simpson jury but failed the IQ test. Flush.gif

Posted by: agnivayu Jun 23 2005, 08:08 PM

Is a there a case of suing a newspaper for inciting hatred, can we win with an emotional distress type of argument ?

Posted by: Mudy Jun 23 2005, 10:11 PM

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Is a there a case of suing a newspaper for inciting hatred, can we win with an emotional distress type of argument ?
Not that easy. But don't you think what kind of University who hired her as ass. Professor, who even lied about her position to take advantage. Even there was petiton against misuse, it seem she is shameless. She never use her husband last name (Shapiro). Why??? How to defeat such people ? Any suggestion??

Posted by: narayanan Jun 24 2005, 06:55 AM

What I wish I could see is the reaction of the AID-India asses who signed the "Petition to Protect Commie Naxal Kangaroo Tribunal" and got their

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Signatures Rejected by CIIS Politburo
or
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Line Voided and Commie Purged
Man! That was really in their faces, don't u think? The Poo® things! But if they keep this up, soon it will be like watching CPI(Marxist-Leninist-Maoist) vs. CPI(Marxist-Leninist-Trotskiist-Bribe_ist) in Kerala. At one time, there used to be 1 or 2 commie corpses in the gutters in the main bazaar every morning, and it was all Comrade_icide. "Friendly Knifing".

Posted by: Mudy Jun 24 2005, 09:31 AM

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Subject: Response to 'S.F. professor fears Hindu retaliation' To: readerrep@sfchronicle.com, letters@sfchronicle.com CC: jsubbiondo@ciis.edu Dear Mr. Williams & Mr. Pocha, This is in regards to your blatantly biased propaganda titled 'S.F. professor fears Hindu retaliation'. I wonder if you gentlemen even did a basic internet search on the activities of this S.F. "professor" before becoming suckers? Are you aware of her record of hallucination over a good part of the last decade? A cursory search on her name would have shown, for instance, her claim that it was "anti-Muslim" to send money to support the families of New York firefighters killed in the 911 attack. I presume that your newspaper supports that logic, since you accept all her latest lies? If you checked further, you would have seen that she has been trying to incite hatred in Orissa and Gujarat for many years, with frequent visits. Did you Einsteins wonder who funds those, at over $1500 per trip for just airfare, and weeks of absence from her "amazing" teaching? You would have seen that people have calmly and point-by-point rebutted and blasted her lies about the people of Orissa and Gujarat. Despite being a self-proclaimed "professor", she has been completely unable to defend her rants when so rebutted. If you had done a simple "Google" search on "Angana CIIS" you would have seen the growing citizen complaints about the real nature of CIIS and the "scholars" it employs. The word "ethics" seems to be utterly absent from CIIS' curriculum, since none of its faculty or administrators appear to have a clue about it. Ms. Chatterji is better known on the internet as "Cheaterji". Clearly she is earning that, as shown by the ease with which her gang convinces the boobs who write articles accepting her lies. In the latest (non) incident, Ms. Chatterji retracted her intial complaint from police and has refused to file a FIR (First-Information-Report) which is a standard operating procedure. The two "retired high court judges" who were along with her, demurred likewise. Why - one would ask? Could it be that the honorable Judges could not corroborate Chatterji's statements on someone attempting to "RAPE" her? Per her own statement, her colleague Mr. Hans coolly walked out of the situation ("we later found out that he had driven home") when he found out exactly WHY the villagers were getting angry, rather than rescue this damsel who was supposed to be under distress. Did you ace journalists bother asking what she's doing raking up issues in a peaceful state like Orissa whose statics in hate or any crime race related crime is miniscule compared to any city in USA? Have you asked why she wasn't saving the world in her native (Communist-ruled) West Bengal, and about her Marxist "Naxalite" buddies' 60-year record of violence there? Are you aware that she has attempted to disturb peace and harmony in another state of India and when police intervened, her she got her husband (a US citizen) shooting off letters to the then US Ambassador to India? In yet another instance in Sept 02, her fellow colleagues and activists-for-hire were chased out by tribal villagers, when the villagers recognized a malicious attempt to foster communal hatred under the guise of pluralism. So this is by no means the first time Ms Chatterji has been chattering away lies to gain sympathy of naive and/or incompetent "journalists" who are too lazy, incompetent or too racist to check elementary facts. Did you check any other versions of WHY the villagers got mad when they were told of Cheaterji's past? Did you realize that she had gone around previously, pretending to be a "journalist", and now she claims to be a "professor"? (No institution, not even the CIIS dump, has ever promoted her to the rank of "professor", though that has not stopped her from claiming such a rank numerous times) Could you guys stretch your brains (despite the hangover from your obvious state of drunkenness when you wrote that article) and thin a bit? What would happen in most rural US communities, to con-artist aliens coming to a quiet neighborhood undermining the local government and it's authority and conducting "interviews" just to later lie and slander the local people? What is the origin, of the terms "Tarred and Feathered" and "Run Out on A Stick", have you wondered? And by the way, your vile attempt to pass off the talking memo points for Angana as "journalism" is a clear give away, with the statement often parroted by her - "deadly anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat that killed up to 2, 000 people in 2002" to keep the myth alive. If you had bothered to do a honest day's job and do a basic check, you'd have found that the number of people who died in the Gujarat is less than 800 and not 2000; figures have been published by the Govt. of India. But then, all of the above would have taken a few seconds of honest journalism. Why set a precedent you can't follow? Sincerely, -XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Letter sent by IF member

Posted by: utepian Jun 24 2005, 02:10 PM

My Letter

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Dear Editor, Allegations of rape make screaming headlines and naturally deserve sympathetic coverage (S.F. professor fears Hindu retaliation, June 23 2005, Page A10). But one must also be very careful in pushing charges too tenaciously based only on one side of the story. According to other published reports concerning the San Francisco based Professor, the people of Orrisa contend no such threat ever took place. The aforementioned professor since the time of the incident has been propounding the case only thru media and Internet outlets and not through the police. Specially surprising is an impassioned letter written by the professor to the Superintendent of Police a day after the incident (June 15) followed by another letter (June 16) specifically urging the police not to treat the previous letter as a complaint! Indian police takes charges of rape very seriously. Indian lawmakers have recently debated awarding the death penalty to aggressors. In such circumstances, one fails to understand why the professor might not report to the law as indeed insist that her plea not be treated as a First Information Report. Your report is correct that the atmosphere in Orrisa has simmered into a “battle for souls”. The state has in fact become a breeding ground for coercive conversions among indigent tribal population. However, it is incorrect to state that only the so-called Hindu fundamentalists wage the battle. Only a day prior to your report (June 22), the Orrisa High Court took a strong exception to reports of large-scale illegal conversions in the state. A bench of the court directed the government, the District Collectors and Police Superintendents to inquire into such actions and take strong action against perpetrators of such activities. You might be surprised it was people of 19 different villages – none associated with any Hindutva based party – that made the petition. Within the immigrant Indian community, the professor has been known to be a leftist pamphleteer with a penchant for cheap publicity. Without investing in due diligence, it is therefore sad that your paper has become an outlet for a vicious campaign. Sincerely, XXXXX

Posted by: Viren Jun 24 2005, 03:15 PM

thumbup.gif Way to go guys rocker.gif These charlatans have to be exposed for what they are.

Posted by: agnivayu Jun 24 2005, 05:08 PM

Response: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Editor, This is in response to your article 'S.F. professor fears Hindu retaliation'. This article contains one-sided views, racial/ religious stereotypes and could best be summarized as propaganda hate speech. This article has taken 'Angana Chatterjis opinion and stated it as the gospel truth. Christianity and Islam have been religious options for the people for the last 1000 years. The people did not convert to these religions even under Islamic and Christian rule. This indicates that the so called "caste-oppression" in Hinduism is a gross exaggeration in it's implication that Hinduism is somehow more discriminatory than other Civilizations. Articles such this perpetuate stereotypes about all Hindus and leads to hate crimes against minorities. This is unbecoming a supposedly liberal minded newspaper. sincerely, Joe Carter

Posted by: utepian Jun 27 2005, 07:13 AM

Aah, this is nice. All with the rotating "hammer and Sickle" and proud sloganeering of "Weekly Organ of the Communist Party of India (Marxist)". http://pd.cpim.org/2005/0626/06262005_on%20file.htm

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HEARINGS conducted by the Indian People's Tribunal on environment and human rights were disrupted by suspected Sangh Parivar activists who allegedly threatened to “strip and rape” ladies of the tribunal here today. Talking to reporters a visibly shocked former chief justice of Kerala High Court Mr K K Usha and former acting chief justice of Gujarat High Court Mr R A Mehta along with other members of the Tribunal including Dr Angana Chatterji said they had invited VHP and Bajrang Dal members to depose today. Things were progressing smoothly, some of those present were talking at length on Hindu culture, respect to women, and re-conversions, when suddenly they got a fax from the VHP and turned aggressive, tribunal members said. They demanded that cassettes used for recording their deposition be returned to them and then snatched and destroyed the tapes. Some of them started hurling abuses and threatening those who had gathered there. Nine of them surrounded the Tribunal members, while others outside shouted, “IPT is funded by foreign agencies to tarnish the image of Hindu rashtra and we will rape these women. We will parade them naked, ‘they warned, said Angana Chatterji. The fax which was received had leveled allegations against the tribunal describing it as a self-appointed body composed wholly of leftists and Hindu baiters. It also charged that the presence of an NRI (Angana Chatterji) well-known for anti-Hindu activities in USA suggests foreign funds from sources bent on destabilising the county,” said Chatterji. Rattled by the sudden burst of aggression, the Tribunal members virtually packed up and left. The hearing process was derailed, lamented the members while expressing their reluctance to lodge a police complaint. The tribunal is conducting a investigation on communalism in Orissa. It has been touring and talking to people in Phulbani, Bharak, Jagatsinghpur and Keonjhar districts since June 11. At Phulbani the Raikia church attack incident, the tonsuring of women at Kilipal in Jagatsinghpur district were some of the instances that were being looked into. Tribunal members said they had invited the VHP and Bajrang Dal leaders today and were to conduct a public hearing later this evening. State government officers had also been invited, they added.

Posted by: Administrator Jun 27 2005, 08:28 AM

x-post http://www.india-forum.com/Columns/Narayanan_Komerath/Red_Badge_of_Umbrage/26/ By Narayanan Komerath

Posted by: utepian Jun 27 2005, 08:50 AM

The hearing process was derailed, lamented the members while expressing their reluctance to lodge a police complaint. Convinient na?

Posted by: abdul_bin_mao Jun 27 2005, 10:00 AM

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expressing their reluctance to lodge a police complaint.
Would YOU lodge a police complaint if u can't afford to reveal ur real name and affiliations? tv_feliz.gif
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"I am here to lodge police complaint against rape and dismemberment threats by yindoo hi-cast saffron fundutva extremist elements onlee
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Your name, please?
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I refuse to answer on the grounds that this is unwarranted intrusion into my rights as an associate professor of cultural ant_throw-up_ology.
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In that case, your affiliation please?
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I refuse to answer on the grounds that this is unwarranted intrusion into my rights as a Co-ordinator of Indian People's Kangaroo Tribunal. I am doing entire India a favor by being her in HOT India when I could be in COOL San Francisco!!
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Your passport number, please?
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I refuse to answer on the grounds that this may lead to uncovering my past record, and show numerous stamps when I went in and out of Pakistan for discussions / contracts with the ISI and Lahore Daily Times, which published my picture in many places
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Please step over here to have your picture taken, madam passport
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I refuse to be photographed since I don't want people in the next town realizing who I am.
u c, small problem onlee. Flush.gif Besides, when they walked into Police Station, the police Inspector there was probably ROTFL.gif

Posted by: Shambhu Jun 27 2005, 11:30 AM

Damn yevil yindoos!! We will lodge a complaint with the ISI...the real police and the only ones we trust! mad.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: Viren Jun 30 2005, 01:34 PM

Given these figures, Orissa seems to be a safe place compared to San Fransisco http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap∫=-1

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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap∫=-1 View this stat: Per capita Show map full screen Country Description Definition: Total recorded rapes. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Amount 1. United States 89,110 (1999) 2. South Africa 53,008 (2000) 3. Canada 24,049 (2000) 4. Australia 15,630 (2000) 5. India 15,468 (1999) 6. Mexico 13,061 (2000) 7. United Kingdom 8,593 (2000) 8. France 8,458 (2000) 9. Germany 7,499 (2000) 10. Russia 6,978 (2000) 11. Korea, South 6,139 (2000) 12. Spain 5,664 (2000) 13. Zimbabwe 5,567 (2000) 14. Thailand 4,020 (2000) 15. Venezuela 2,931 (2000) 16. Poland 2,399 (2000) 17. Italy 2,336 (2000) 18. Japan 2,260 (2000) 19. Colombia 1861 (2000) 20. Netherlands 1648 (2000) 21. Indonesia 1372 (2000) 22. Jamaica 1304 (2000) 23. Papua New Guinea 1295 (2000) 24. Turkey 1260 (2000) 25. Chile 1250 (2000)

Posted by: Mudy Jun 30 2005, 06:00 PM

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Given these figures, Orissa seems to be a safe place compared to San Fransisco
Compare with population ratio. India is much safer. Country 0 Population - Rape % US - 296,496,922 - 0.03% India - 1,080,264,388 - 0.001% Canada - 32,805,041 - 0.07% Australia - 20,090,437 - 0.07%

Posted by: utepian Jul 1 2005, 03:39 PM

My letter to the TOI editor which will never be published.

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Dear Editor: Is your news article ('We will rape you, then parade you naked', TOI June 30) a paid commercial for a virulently anti-India hatemonger? Your reporter has merely rehearsed Angana Chatterji's prepared statement. A little investigation or common sense would ask, (i) What kind of Kangaroo court was this so-called tribunal running? (ii) If there was a threat of rape then did Angana Chatterji report this to the police? The answer to the latter is available all over the Internet. A day after the alleged threat - Chatterji wrote impassioned letters to the media and sundry but mostly the media. One such letter was written to the Superintendent of Police of the district too. Then a day later Angana Chatterji wrote back to the SP telling him that her letter of the previous day should **not** be treated as an **FIR**! So much for legal recourse. What is sad - the press plays along with this malicious advertisement without investing in even a modicum of common sense. Muckrakers like Angana Chatterji want only publicity. Packaged in bluestockings and driven by megalomania, they are diabolical and come from the lowest of the lowest moral conscience of the society. For them, communal polarization is an indulgence that must be fed. Where there is none bugbears must be manufactured, rancor must be invented. Where else will the wine and cheese of these self-aggrandizing decadent low lives come from? Malevolence is a congenital disease of the mind for Jezebels like Angana Chatterji. A mirror image of what she contends to stand up against; Angana's revulsion, spite and malignity cannot come in just one lifetime. Feculent extraction masked in swanky Ritz - it is this facade that the press and people alike must strip naked. People of Orissa did just that. Sincerely XXXX

Posted by: acharya Jul 3 2005, 08:52 AM

http://www.petitiononline.com/foilciis/petition.html To: President and Board of Trustees of CIIS Integral Studies or Integrity free Studies? Dear President Joseph L. Subbiondo and the Board of Trustees: California Institute for Integral Studies (CIIS) has been the center of political propaganda in the name of "anthropological activism" for quite some time. Recently CIIS has created news with faculty member Dr. Angana Chatterji (Professor or Assistant Prof. or Assoc. Prof.?) taking credit for the US State Department's denial of a visa to Indian State Chief Minister Narendra Modi. This is the latest in a long line of vituperative sensationalism, usually directed at obstructing help to the neediest segments of the population in the poorest countries. While she may choose to pursue a role in advocacy, as her right, one has to seriously question her ethics and her responsibilities toward scholarship and cultures she researches in and in which she claims to be a scholar. It is perhaps time to oblige CIIS' desperate quest for the media limelight by examining some of their practices. Angana Chatterji's (Professor or Assistant Prof. or Assoc. Prof.?) CIIS website claims that she is an Associate Professor of Anthropology. However, the publications that she lists there mostly claim to the outside world that she is a Professor of Anthropology. It appears that at CIIS, faculty simply put on academic rank and titles similar to kindergartners donning academic regalia, with no need for actual promotion processes or scholarly achievement. This interesting fashion in academic integrity comes through in the faculty publications of CIIS as well. One reason for academic rank having to be arrogated rather than won is obvious - the publications cited on this faculty website are mostly articles in sensationalist newspapers of dubious credibility. That they do not check elementary facts is evident from their letting Chatterji inflate her credentials. Chatterji is certainly well reputed - not in Anthropology circles, but in Anarchist, Marxist Communist party circles and the Pakistani hate media. Comparison of the practices in the Anthropology Department at CIIS with accepted practices published by American Anthropologists Association (A.A.A) or Society for Applied Anthropology (SfAA) or National Association of Practicing Anthropologists (NAPA) provides an interesting study of CIIS standards in academic integrity. CIIS Scholars of anthropology rarely disclose any research goals, methodologies or sponsorship. They do not report their qualifications accurately either in their public appearances/speeches or their publications. Anthropology scholars are ascribed special skills in deciphering/interpreting socio-cultural systems. None such is evident in Chatterji's writings. The community expects scholars at a minimal level not to promote, encourage any harm even inadvertently in their writings, speeches or other scholarly activities. Chatterji’s conduct is a study in hate-mongering for cash. Her writings falsify data to support false propaganda, and stereotype entire communities as "fascists", "genocidal" etc. She indulges in blatantly hate-inciting name-calling. She fudges the facts and misrepresents and abuses the scholarly platform she has been accorded, as outine modus operandi. Her most recent "success" is itself a false claim. She has been going around the nation claiming completely false reasons for the US State Department declining the visa application made by the Indian government - in order to falsely claim "credit" for herself for creating divisiveness in the Indian-American community. That this is being done through a publication prominently advertised on the CIIS website, gives the lie to the CIIS' claim of being a holistic center for peaceful study and introspection. Chatterji’s funding sources are suspect. She is listed as a Trustee of the "Earth Island Institute" which is rated as one of the least transparent of extreme-left organizations. One wonders if the Foundation's supporters endorse her political vendettas that obstructed the delivery of drinking water to simple villagers in poor countries for several years. What do the organizational culture and ethics of scholars mean to CIIS in monitoring and self-policing? Is intellectual dishonesty, so blatant even in stating credentials, as well as rabble-rousing activism the top priority of CIIS? Doesn't this jeopardize the reputation of the institution and the futures of the impressionable youngsters who come there expecting a holistic education? Does CIIS not have a responsibility to provide faculty who can set impeccable moral examples and serve as agents of positive influence on their students and the broader community? Does blatantly false hate-propaganda constitute such an example? What does it tell students at CIIS about the worth of their degrees, when their faculty lie about their credentials, and everything else, just for a few dollars more of dubious sponsorship? The CIIS introduction states quite boldly "CIIS is an engaged-and-engaging-community of people committed to transforming themselves and the world. Here you pursue an education that connects the spiritual and practical dimensions of intellectual life, in a stimulating environment that fosters rigorous scholarship and supportive community. The Institute offers an integral, interdisciplinary education—a unique intersection between theory and practice, passion and reason. CIIS advances its mission by offering courses of study that are on the frontiers of knowledge, taught by faculty members who are recognized scholars and student-centered teachers". A noble mission statement, but utterly absurd when viewed against the reality apparent on the website of their senior faculty. The Academy is an important social institution whose faculty are agents of moral influence to guide students and the broader community. It is imperative that institutes and academic organizations strive to develop a moral and ethical culture that is conducive to individual and collective moral responsibility. Academics are perceived as scholars, seekers, and purveyors of knowledge, thoughtful, analytical, tolerant, and respectful of diversity; fiercely independent producers and guardians of "truth" with insatiable curiosities about what we do not know and a critical and questioning attitude about what we do know. Their students are impressionable youngsters searching for careers and role models. Youngsters are also often experimenting with a system of values, beliefs, and moral standards. One looks up to academics as they have the persona of being autonomous and mature agents who have a broader view and analytical approach to morality and intellectual honesty. Thus, many academicians become influential forces in helping students to make critical life choices. The irredeemable price of ethics failure in academia is the loss of public trust and faith in academic organizations. Apart from the destructive financial price, there are other non-financial aspects that ought to be considered. First, students, parents, and community develop a poor impression of the institute and of faculty who are supposed to be moral agents and honest. The lack of trust and faith in the integrity, honesty, and dedication of faculty undermines the foundation of any attempts to achieve excellence in teaching and training students. Lest you think we are picking on Chatterji alone, let us point out that most of the other faculty in their Anthropology Department seem to be different mostly in that they have almost no publications to show. Perhaps they are at least honest enough to observe the "Do No Harm" part of their community's ethical standards and not bask in stoking and inciting communist / terrorist uprisings under the veneer and garb of scholarship using false credentials. Sincerely, Citizens Insisting on Integrity in Scholarship (CIIS) Cc: Earth Island Institute International Rivers Network Asia Forest Network Community Forestry International Media The Undersigned

Posted by: narayanan Jul 3 2005, 08:57 AM

Hey Acharya: This has nothing to do with IDRF, AFAIK. CIIS appears to be getting much-deserved "name recognition". All by themselves. tv_feliz.gif This "Open Letter" has been around for a long time - see "Pinned" list. But in the past few days, it sure seems to be zooming. Probably because of the Times of India finding it and realizing the real nature of Angana Chatterji and CIIS. On the other hand, I do find it deeply ironic that Chatterjee is getting exposed precisely because of her attempts to use the Times of India for propaganda, just like she did at the launching of her blatantly fraudulent "Comprehensive Meticulous" Sabrang/FOIL Report. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person. Flush.gif

Posted by: acharya Jul 3 2005, 10:34 AM

N3, I got this in mail from Political types. They are circulating this wider

Posted by: narayanan Jul 3 2005, 11:27 AM

Lets move to the AID issue. I think CIIS can enjoy dealing with those who have now been awakened. No need of us there any more. cheers.gif

Posted by: Viren Jul 11 2005, 10:54 AM

Please email it to all those fools who supported Angana's bogus claims. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050711/nation.htm#11

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New Delhi, July 10 Believe it or not! RSS activists recently rescued 80 Christian priests trapped in an accident in the dense forests of Orissa’s Sambalpur district and even donated blood to save their lives. A marriage party comprising 90 Christian priests was on its way in a truck from Jamankeri village to Goudpil when it met with an accident in which 10 of them died on the spot and 80 others were seriously injured, said a report in the latest issue of RSS mouthpiece ‘Organiser’. As the priests looked for help in the dense forests, an RSS activist heard their shouts and managed to mobilise 50 sangh volunteers to help them. “The pastors were rescued and admitted to a nearby hospital, 45 km from the site, on that dark night,” the report said disclosing that the swayamsewaks not only provided the injured medicines and food but “donated their own blood” to the pastors. The weekly quoted Bishop Samal as saying, “These boys of RSS have given us a new life. We are grateful to them. May God bless them”. “We have not done anything much. What we have done has been done from the humanitarian point of view. All of us are human beings. All are children of God,” it quoted B B Nanda, RSS state secretary as saying. — PTI

Posted by: Shambhu Jul 11 2005, 12:49 PM

Dammit Angana and Teesta this is your cue!! "...the accident was planned and executed by the RSS. RSS donated blood to portray itself as a moderate organization and in a thinly veiled attempt to wipe the blood of 2000 Gujarati Muslims off their hands.." Its a pity we do not have bookies to take bets on the exact words that will be used in the soon-to-be-issued pinko reaction. Cricinfo has bets on who will make how much (more than their avg / less than their avg)...who will get out next..blah blah...

Posted by: abdul_bin_mao Jul 11 2005, 06:28 PM

Shambu: RSS probably engineered the whole thing to convert the tribal Bishop and the tribal Cardinal to fundutva Yindutva.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 23 2005, 09:08 AM

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Dear friends: In the larger scheme of things, with earth-shaking, soul-churning, events happening around the world on a daily basis, what I share with you may sound insignificant and inconsequential. Nonetheless, with some joy, a feeling of being vindicated, and also with a sense of achievement, I want to let you know that finally the Minsitry of Home Affairs in New Delhi has removed all restrictions and I have now been granted an unconditional 5-year, multiple-entry Visa to travel to India. It took full twenty months to get this done. In the Lal K. Advani days, back in November 2003, my application for Visa was not denied, but I was told - in writing - that I could get it only for one year, and that too on the condition that I provide firm proofs of my date of arrival in and departure from India. I refused to accept those conditions - because these amounted to intimidation, and because accepting them would amount to accepting some wrong-doing on my part. I later learnt that these restrictions came not from the Minsitry of External Affairs but from the Home Ministry. It did not surprise me, given all the public stands my organization SANSAD had taken, and the strong letters of condemnation I had written on its behalf to Home Minsiter Advani, for his failures to meet his constitutional obligations to defend the life and property of Indian citizens. Soon after the peoples' verdict threw Advani and Co. out of the Halls of Power in New Delhi, I made repeated representations to the new political dispensation in the Capital. Letters after letters were sent. Even the very sympathetic and supportive staff of the local Consul General in Vancouver kept sending reminders. Articles were written in the Indian media. Many friends with personal connections with people in power made efforts. But there was no motion; no change - UNTIL a very close friend, with personal reaches, connected me with the Minsiter of State (Home), Mr. Shriprakash Jaiswal. Once persuaded, Minister Jaiswal personally told me, over the phone, that he had taken care of the matter, and I should get my visa right away. But that was more than three months ago, in early April. Scores of phone calls to the Minister, to his personal staff, his private secretary, to the bureucrats in the Ministry, followed. There was one excuse after the other. The Foreigners Division in the Home Minsitry kept saying they had no file on me - despite me and the local Consulate (in Vancouver) sending them their own file number. Faxes with documentation repeatedly sent to the Minister's staff would not reach their desk. The excuses were bizare: today "we have shifted to a new building, and we cannot find the files"; tomorrow, "could you please tell us the correct phone number of the Consul in Vancouver because the one we have does not seem to work"; or "there is power failure in the minsitry building and we cannot do anything"!!!! Anyway, full three months after the personal intervention by the Minister, the instructions finally came; and I have now the proper travel document. Whether it was bureaucratic bungling or bureaucratic sabotage is something only time would tell. I wish to thank the scores of people, in India and abroad, who made extra ordinary efforts to get things moving - by writing articles in the Indian media, by organizing a petition, by talking with MPs, with the Ministry officials, with leaders of various political parties, even with the personal staff of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi - over the last one year and more. Thank you from the bottome of my heart. And a very special thank to the dear friend of long standing - based in UP - who made my connection with the Minister. I cannot name him. Thanks also to Minister Shreeprakash Jaiswal for his determined efforts, despite his repeated frustrations, to keep pushing - and to his personal secretary Mr. Karuna Nidhan who was in touch with me on an almost daily basis for the last one month or more. And I am immensely thankful to the leaders of SANSAD in Vancouver for their supportive stands and for the public letters of protest they wrote to the Government of India in connection with my Visa. As i said, in the larger scheme of things, my right to travel to India is a small matter. But for me, it is a big thing. India is still home. The passport maybe be different, citizenship is still the same. yours hari sharma in Vancouver, Canada.
He had used every forum to insult Hindus and master of all anti India activities.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 23 2005, 01:11 PM

Xpost - Pioneer

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Gandhian leader's unGandhian act Sonia Sarkar/ New Delhi Hosting a dinner party at Rajghat with funds from the Samadhi Committee account? That's exactly what "veteran Gandhian" and Samadhi Committee co-chairperson Nirmala Deshpande did when she consented to a dinner party in the honour of self-exiled MQM founder-leader Altaf Hussein, neither a peacenik nor a Gandhian. A note dated November 10 asking for arrangements for a dinner party was put-up by panel secretary and an approval given by Ms Deshpande for Rs 14,000. The note (The Pioneer is in possession of it) written by Mr Rajnish Kumar in Hindi stated: "To make Indo-Pak relations strong, Altaf Hussein has come to Delhi... He will come to Rajghat at 7 pm on November 12, 2004. Special guests will participate with him. Arrangements will have to be made for about 100 persons. Evergreen Caterers have been assigned the work as per the menu approved by you. A total of Rs 14,000 has been fixed for food, tent, lighting and others. Approval may be given for this." Ms Deshpande signed the note, saying "approved." Though Hussein visited Rajghat, at the last minute the dinner was shifted to Ms Deshpande's residence at AB-98, Shahjahan Road. A bouquet and a shawl were presented to him by Ms Deshpande. All expenses were made out of the Rajghat Samadhi Committee account. (Voucher number 61 dated November 16.) Hussein was neither a State guest nor invited by the Government as he is in self-exile in London for the last 13 years. Maintaining an armed cadre, Hussein's MQM has repeatedly indulged in urban terrorism in the name of lending a voice to mohajirs. A man declared an "absconder" in his home country, however managed to visit the samadhi of the Father of the Nation on his very first visit to India, thanks to Ms Deshpande.
Don't forget she always sign any petiton against Hindus anywhere in world.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 24 2005, 12:54 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711475.stm

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A Jesuit priest and social activist, Cedric Prakash, says the books contain more than 300 factual errors and make little mention of the holocaust. The Gujarat government has dismissed the charges as baseless. A senior official from the state education department told the BBC that anomalies arose when the book was translated from Gujarati into English, and are being quoted out of context.
Cedric Prakash back to square with his false propoganda, now we may hear soon from enlightened CIIS scholars on this issue, which is more like a boken record of lies.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 25 2005, 12:10 PM

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Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society By Henry Makow Ph.D. March 18, 2002 "In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order." Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA. Steinem has tried to suppress this information, unearthed in the 1970's by a radical feminist group called "Red Stockings." In 1979, Steinem and her powerful CIA-connected friends, Katharine Graham of the Washington Post and Ford Foundation President Franklin Thomas prevented Random House from publishing it in "Feminist Revolution." Nevertheless the story appeared in the "Village Voice" on May 21, 1979. Steinem has always pretended that she had been a student radical. "When I was in college, it was the McCarthy era," she told Susan Mitchell in 1997, "and that made me a Marxist." (Icons, Saints and Divas: Intimate Conversations with Women who Changed the World 1997. p 130) Her bio-blurb in June 1973 MS. Magazine states: "Gloria Steinem has been a freelance writer all her professional life. Ms magazine is her first full-time salaried job." Not true. Raised in an impoverished, dysfunctional family in Toledo Ohio, Steinem somehow managed to attend elite Smith College, Betty Friedan's alma mater. After graduating in 1955, Steinem received a "Chester Bowles Student Fellowship" to study in India. Curiously, an Internet search reveals that this fellowship has no existence apart from Gloria Steinem. No one else has received it. In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA's Cord Meyers to direct an "informal group of activists" called the "Independent Research Service." This was part of Meyer's "Congress for Cultural Freedom," which created magazines like "Encounter" and "Partisan Review" to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots. One of Steinem's CIA colleagues was Clay Felker. In the early 1960's, he became an editor at Esquire and published articles by Steinem which established her as a leading voice for women's lib. In 1968, as publisher of New York Magazine, he hired her as a contributing editor, and then editor of Ms. Magazine in 1971. Warner Communications put up almost all the money although it only took 25% of the stock. Ms. Magazine's first publisher was Elizabeth Forsling Harris, a CIA-connected PR executive who planned John Kennedy's Dallas motorcade route. Despite its anti establishment image, MS magazine attracted advertising from the cream of corporate America. It published ads for ITT at the same time as women political prisoners in Chile were being tortured by Pinochet, after a coup inspired by the US conglomerate and the CIA. Steinem's personal relationships also belie her anti establishment pretensions. She had a nine-year relationship with Stanley Pottinger, a Nixon-Ford assistant attorney general, credited with stalling FBI investigations into the assassinations of Martin Luther King, and the ex-Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Latelier. In the 1980's, she dated Henry Kissinger. For more details, see San Francisco researcher Dave Emory. Our main misconception about the CIA is that it serves US interests. In fact, it has always been the instrument of a dynastic international banking and oil elite (Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan) coordinated by the Royal Institute for Internal Affairs in London and their US branch, the Council for Foreign Relations. It was established and peopled by blue bloods from the New York banking establishment and graduates of Yale University's secret pagan "Skull and Bones" society. Our current President, his father and grandfather fit this profile. The agenda of this international cabal is to degrade the institutions and values of the United States in order to integrate it into a global state that it will direct through the United Nations. In its 1947 Founding Charter, the CIA is prohibited from engaging in domestic activities. However this has never stopped it from waging a psychological war on the American people. The domestic counterpart of the "Congress for Cultural Freedom" was the "American Committee for Cultural Freedom." Using foundations as conduits, the CIA controlled intellectual discourse in the 1950's and 1960's, and I believe continues to do so today. In "The Cultural Cold War," Francis Stonor Saunders estimates that a thousand books were produced under the imprint of a variety of commercial and university presses, with covert subsidies. The CIA's "Project Mockingbird" involved the direct infiltration of the corporate media, a process that often included direct takeover of major news outlets. "By the early 1950's," writes Deborah Davis, in her book "Katherine the Great," the CIA owned respected members of the New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communication vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in all." In 1982 the CIA admitted that reporters on the CIA payroll have acted as case officers to agents in the field. Philip Graham, publisher of the Washington Post, who ran the operation until his "suicide" in 1963, boasted that "you could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple of hundred dollars a month." I was born in 1949. Idealists in my parent's generation were disillusioned when the Communist dream of universal brotherhood turned out to be a shill for a brutal despotism. My own generation may discover that our best instincts have also been manipulated and exploited. There is evidence that the 60's drug counter culture, the civil rights movement, and anti-war movement, like feminism, were CIA directed. For example, the CIA has admitted setting up the (National Student Association as a front in 1947 http://www.cia-on-campus.org/nsa/nsa2.html). In the early 1950's the NSA opposed the attempts of the House Un American Activities Committee to root out Communist spies. According to Phil Agee Jr., NSA officers participated in the activities of SNCC, the militant civil rights group, and Students for a Democratic Society, a radical peace group. According to Mark Riebling, the CIA also may have used Timothy Leary. Certainly the agency distributed LSD to Leary and other opinion makers in the 1960s. Leary made a generation of Americans turn away from active participation in society and seek fulfillment "within." In another example of the CIA's use of drugs to interfere in domestic politics, Gary Webb describes how in the 1980's, the CIA flooded Black ghettos with cocaine. I won't attempt to analyze the CIA's motivation except to suggest what they have in common: They demoralized, alienated and divided Americans. The elite operates by fostering division and conflict in the world. Thus, we don't realize who the real enemy is. For the same reason, the CIA and elite foundations also fund the diversity and multicultural movements. Feminism has done the most damage. There is no more fundamental yet delicate relationship in society than male and female. On it depends the family, the red blood cell of society. Nobody with the interests of society at heart would try to divide men and women. Yet the lie that men have exploited women has become the official orthodoxy. Man loves woman. His first instinct is to nurture ("husband") and see her thrive. When a woman is happy, she is beautiful. Sure, some men are abusive. But the vast majority have supported and guided their families for millennium. Feminists relentlessly advance the idea that our inherent male and female characteristics, crucial to our development as human beings, are mere "stereotypes." This is a vicious calumny on all heterosexuals, 95% of the population. Talk about hate! Yet it is taught to children in elementary schools! It is echoed in the media. Lesbians like Rosie O'Donnell are advanced as role models. All of this is calculated to create personal confusion and sow chaos among heterosexuals. As a result, millions of American males are emasculated and divorced from their relationship to family (the world and the future.) The American woman has been hoodwinked into investing herself in a mundane career instead of the timeless love of her husband and children. Many women have become temperamentally unfit to be wives and mothers. People, who are isolated and alone, stunted and love-starved, are easy to fool and manipulate. Without the healthy influence of two loving parents, so are their children. Feminism is a grotesque fraud perpetrated on society by its governing elite. It is designed to weaken the American social and cultural fabric in order to introduce a friendly fascist New World Order. Its advocates are sanctimonious charlatans who have grown rich and powerful from it. They include a whole class of liars and moral cripples who work for the elite in various capacities: government, education and the media. These imposters ought to be exposed and ridiculed. Women's oppression is a lie. Sex roles were never as rigid as feminists would have us believe. My mother had a successful business in the 1950's importing watchstraps from Switzerland. When my father's income increased, she was content to quit and concentrate on the children. Women were free to pursue careers if they wanted to. The difference was that their role as wife and mother was understood, and socially validated, as it should be. Until Gloria Steinem and the CIA came along. --------------- Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto. He welcomes your feedback and ideas at henry@savethemales.ca. Articles >> http://www.savethemales.ca/180302.html
Now look at all new breed of India haters, majority of them are females.

Posted by: utepian Aug 9 2005, 09:33 AM

Latest from aidindia.info:

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Document: A Strategic patnership with CPI(M) Quoting from an article in a "progressive" Canadian organization "Alternatives" website: My tour started from Chennai, the capital city of the province of Tamil Nadu. There I met Mr. M.A. Devdas, office coordinator of the Tamil Nadu Science Forum (TNSF) and then with the Director of an NGO called AID India (Action for India’s Development). The groups associated with the CPM and the All India Peoples Science Movement have reached a strategic alliance with AID by implementing relief measures and taking up mid and long term rehabilitation work. While the material purchase and construction is done by AID, the human power is provided by over a thousand volunteers of the AIPSN, SFI (Students Federation of India), DYFI (Democratic Youth Federation of India), AIDWA (All India Democratic Women’s Association) and TNSF itself.
The watchdog further informs us, that the CANADIAN government funds this radical group called ALTERNATIVES. Further, whois results for cpiml.org finds the registrant to be ALTERNATIVES in Canada.

Posted by: acharya Aug 9 2005, 09:26 PM

About us Published: Mon October 14, 2002, by ALTERNATIVES Founded in 1994, Alternatives, Action and Communication Network for International Development, is a non-governmental, international solidarity organization. Alternatives works to promote justice and equality amongst individuals and communities located in the North and the South. Active in over 35 countries, Alternatives supports local, community-based initiatives working towards the greater economic, social, and political rights of people and communities affected by poverty, discrimination, exploitation, and violence. We are present in Latin America, Africa, Europe and the Middle East, as well as Central, South and Southeast Asia. In each of these regions, we work in direct partnership with groups of women and men who are struggling for progress, respect and justice, as well as the peace and sustainable development of their community, their environment, and their region. Alternatives supports network creation between groups so that they can benefit from their shared experiences and successes. Network formation is crucial since it allows for deepened analysis and comprehension of the conflicts affecting their communities from the outside. Alternatives’ and its partners’ international solidarity projects are centred on : • The environment and sustainable development • Democracy • Rehabilitation of communities affected by war • Good governance • Socio-economic justice and equality • Civil, political, economic, social and human rights • The fight against poverty • Women’s rights, equality between genders, the inclusion of women in all spheres of society • Education and inclusion of youth • Civil society development, management, and autonomy • Freedom of organization, of information, of the press, and of religion Youth Internship Programs Every year, Alternatives organizes overseas youth internship programs, with the aim of developing in young men and women a sense of solidarity and curiosity about other regions than their own. These internships emphasize understanding Third World realities, encouraging actions that will advance Alternatives’ message of justice. Thanks to the internships, dozens of young people have had the opportunity to participate in a professional, cultural, and human experience of unrivalled interest. Alternatives in Quebec and Canada Alternatives is an organization that produces and participates in many conferences, that publishes a newspaper and several Web sites, and that organizes educational and informational activities. The Alternatives newspaper, a monthly compendium of international, national, and cultural news, has a distribution of 50,000, creating a window of alternative information on our world. Whether in Quebec, Canada, or the world, Alternatives works to raise public awareness of international and local policy debates and keep people informed of the links between them. Through its information and educational campaigns, reflecting our concerns with equality and justice for the South, Alternatives goes beyond the general public to reach policymakers. At the local level, our work involves environmental concerns, participatory democracy, out-reach and solidarity programs with immigrant communities, as well as advocacy of government pro-social policies. Alternatives is an active, open actor, present and in touch with the world. Finances Approximately 50% of our funds come from government sources(principally the Canadian International Development Agency). The remainder is a combination of support from over 50,000 donors and members, as well as partner organizations working alongside Alternatives including major unions and church groups. Our Supporters Over 50,000 individuals across Canada donate to Alternatives either as donors, members, or by subscribing to our newspaper. Many activists, journalists, and public figures from Quebec, Canada, and the world support Alternatives. Among these are : • Monique Simard, documentary film producer and activist • Judy Rebick, politically engaged writer and researcher • Françoise David, member of the writers’ collective D’abord solidaires, ex-President of the Quebec Federation of Women, co-founder of the World March of Women • Gil Courtemanche, activist journalist and writer • Naomi Klein, activist journalist and writer • Madeleine Parent, feminist and long-time union leader • Ariane Émond, General Director of Culture Montréal, journalist and researcher • Stanley Péan, writer and cultural broadcaster for Radio-Canada • Bishop Desmond Tutu, Nobel Peace Prize winner • Asmaa Jangir, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan http://www.alternatives.ca/article99.html

Posted by: Mudy Sep 13 2005, 11:48 AM

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mailcenter.comcast.net/wm...252&sid=c0 (Vijay Times, 9 Sept. 2005) P.N. BENJAMIN Bangalore Initiative for Religious Dialogue(BIRD) In a letter to the Indian Prime Minister on the eve of the recently held National Integration Council meeting in New Delhi, John Dayal, member of National Minorities Commission (NCM) and chairman of the All India Christian Council (AICC) has accused the “obscurantist and fundamentalist” Hindu political organisations of raping nuns, murdering priests, attacking churches and harassing believers”. Mr. Dayal is known for his polemical writings against “the Hindu extremists”. He opens his mouth and wields his pen only to spew venom on the Hindus community. So, it is not surprising that he has raised the ghosts of the past at this juncture. Be that as it may, what are the facts about the alleged rapes, murders, attacks and harassments? Like most of those who write regularly to newspapers and need factual information, I keep my personal file of clippings so that I don’t slip up on accuracy. In the case of the rape of four nuns in Jhabua, the Hindu activists were accused of being guilty of the crime without any foundation. Subsequently, out of the 24 arrested, the local police said that 12 were Christians. Francois Gautier, then South Asia correspondent for Le Figaro, went to Jhabua and met the “four admirable nuns”. The nuns themselves admitted to him in the presence of their bishop George Anatil that the “rape” had nothing to do with religion. “It was the doing of a gang of Bhil tribals, known to perpetrate this kind of hateful acts on their own women.” (Hindustan Times, Feb.1, 1999). There is no doubt that the ghastly murder of Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons needed to be universally condemned and the culprits severely punished. The so-called Christian leaders have cynically used the Staines’ murder for far too long. This is despite the fact that Gladys Staines has forgiven the killers of her husband and children. After the dastardly killing of the Australian missionary and his children, there was a report of a nun being raped in Orissa after accepting a lift from a taxi which had men disguised as women in it. Right from the beginning, the story was full of holes. However, the English media lapped it up, and highlighted it as another incident of attack on Christians and implied that it was the Sangh Parivar that was behind it. Christians organised massive rallies protesting against the rape. But the medical report stated that there was no rape, and the injuries sustained by the nun were of an earlier date. But no one found it necessary to admit their mistake. No one apologised for fabricating the incident. On Feb.2, 1998, the Associated Press put out a report that an American missionary, Dr. John Sylvester, had been forced by “Hindu fundamentalist” to close down his school and clinic in Allahabad. He took refuge in a Baptist seminary. It turned out later that Sylvester is an Indian, not a priest, did not run a school, and never met the AP correspondent! No one, including John Dayal, apologised to the RSS outfits! Times News Network reported on December 3, 2004 that a TADA court in Hyderabad had convicted 31 persons belonging the Deendar Anjuman, in the church blasts cases that caused ripples in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Goa in June-July 2000. They had hatched a conspiracy to plant bombs in churches all over south India to create social unrest. They had triggered blasts in Wadi, Gulbarga and Bangalore. It may be recalled that the media and the secularists in the country had blamed the RSS and other Hindu organisations for the bomb blasts. But none of them came forward to apologise when the culprits turned out to be members of another minority community. The RSS-Bangalore Initiative for Religious Dialogue (BIRD) fact-finding team which inquired into the “attack” on the Holy Family Church, Hinkal, in Mysore in February 2002, found out, among other things, that the incident happened because of mistaken identity. It was a minor one – a minor scuffle in the church premises and a broken window-pane. The incident should have been localised and contained. But, it was blown out of proportion and internationalized by the media and the self-styled leaders and spokesmen of the minority communities. A classic example of making a mountain out of a molehill. The team painfully observed that “these leaders spread distress and divisions among neighbours of different faiths and provoke religious sentiments and fan the flames of hatred”. Yet, it is unfortunate even today Christian leaders and pseudo-secularists continue to include the above incidents in the list of the atrocities against Christians. Yes, no civil society can condone violence. But mere condemnation is not a method to avert the repetition of violence. We have to find out if the violence is deliberate and unprovoked, or due to provocation. If it is the former, then there is one set of solutions, which mostly involve applying the law and severely punishing the perpetrators of the violence. However, if there is provocation, then we have to study the issue in greater detail. We have to understand why there has been a provocation for the violence, and who are the persons or organisations behind the provocation. The real source of danger to the Indian Christian community is not the handful of Hindu extremists. Most of the violent incidents have been due to aggressive evangelising. Other than this there have been few attacks on Christians. Finally the sensitive and sensible Christians must realize that acts of certain “born-again” varieties of Christian evangelists who denigrate Hindu gods and abuse Hindu rituals as barbaric are the root cause of tension between Christian and Hindu communities. Christian leaders known for their erudition, equipoise and empathy should come out in the open to disown such acts of intolerance. Terms such as “evangelistic campaign”, “missionary strategy”, “campus crusade”, “occupying non-Christian areas”, a “blitzkrieg” of missionaries, and sending “reinforcements” sound more appropriate to military enterprises than to Christian witness to God’s redeeming love in Jesus Christ. The statistical approach implied in the words “the unreached millions” is derogatory to neighbours of other faiths.“Unreached” by whom? When Indian Christians themselves use these phrases, which have originated outside the country, to describe their neighbours living next door to them in the community, Christians should not be surprised if the nehigbours are offended. (Courage for Dialogue- Dr. Stanley Samartha). Call it the irrational Hindu anger at being cheated of destiny. Call it the Hindu backlash at the growing fanaticism in other communities. Call it the end of the tether for Hindu patience and tolerance. India\'s cycles of violence continue because it is only seldom that we have allowed healing to take place. It is imperative that our ears be made sensitive to the heartbeat of the \'other\' community or caste. And we must all assist and permit a true healing. Stop spreading hatred against any particular community like butter on hot bread. And stop being merchants of hate. We must learn to overcome hatred by love. All of us would be doing a great service to the cause of communal and religious amity and peace in this country if we learn to show a little humility and a little diffidence about the correctness of our views. We should not seek to satisfy our thirst for ego and vanity by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred and jealousy. We have to teach ourselves that consideration for others is nobler than muscling our way to the front.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 5 2005, 11:05 AM

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http://www.imc-usa.org/cgi-bin/cfm/PressRelease.cfm?PRID=113 IMC-USA Detroit Convention a Huge Success; Campaign to Stop Congressman Conyers by Hindu Extremists Fails Conyers Equates the Struggle of Minorities in India to the Civil Rights Movement FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 3, 2005 The third annual convention of the Indian Muslim Council - USA, an advocacy group dedicated to protecting the rights of minorities and promoting pluralism, was a huge success. The theme of the event was Indian Americans: Activism for Better India and it was held in Detroit on 1st October, 2005. It was attended by hundreds of members of the Indian Diaspora as well as the representatives from the broad-based Coalition to Build a Better India (CBBI). The speakers included representatives of major world religions as well as experts on International Human Rights Law and leaders of Human Rights organizations. Congressman John Conyers gave the keynote address and thanked IMC-USA for the Malik Al-Shabazz Award handed to him for his leadership in the field of human rights. He equated the struggle of Indian Muslims and other persecuted minorities in India to that of the Civil Rights movement led by Martin Luther King Jr. He highlighted the difficulties faced by a struggling rights movement by reminding that many segments of the African-American community were initially afraid of standing up for their rights and had requested Dr. King not to launch his movement. He congratulated IMC-USA for showing courage and taking the leadership role in fighting religious persecution and for adopting non-violence as the way to do so just as Gandhi and King had done. The Michigan congressman, in his wide-ranging speech, also stressed the need to bridge the growing gap between the affluent and the poor in India. Hindutva groups who subscribe to a violent ultra-nationalistic and supremacist ideology had unsuccessfully launched a campaign to dissuade the Congressman from speaking at the IMC-USA convention. The banquet session was also addressed by Fr. Cedric Prakash and Dr. Shaik Ubaid. Fr. Prakash, who has been referred to as Desmond Tutu of India for his work to obtain justice for the victims of the state-sponsored pogrom in Gujarat, declared that his quest for justice is not for revenge, but as the beginning of reconciliation and forgiveness. He pointed out that persecution of Christians, Muslims and Dalits is still rampant in Gujarat and increasing with alarming regularity in adjacent Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh. Dr. Ubaid, the national President of IMC-USA, thanked Congressman Conyers for his inspirational leadership in the area of human rights and civil rights and promised that IMC-USA will continue to work towards increasing awareness about the fascist roots of Hindutva ideology. He also stressed that the involvement of different segments of Indian and US societies and support from leaders such as Congresman Conyers will be essential in foiling the plans of Hindutva groups to repeat Gujarat like pogroms in the neighboring Indian states of Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh. He declared that IMC-USA will work towards expanding the alliance of like-minded groups to other countries where Hindutva-fascism is active. Dr. Ubaid called the work against religious extremism as the highest form of patriotism and vowed that IMC-USA will work tirelessly to expose the infiltration of Hindutva-fascist groups in the power centers of the US. He added that IMC-USA will continue to work to bring the Indian Muslim groups together and to educate the Indian Muslims about their legal and civil rights and on ways to obtain their share of the grants and financial aid from the Indian government ministries. The convention audience was also addressed by two lawyers who specialize in International Human Rights Law. Barrister Jaswant Kaur of the Sikh Human Rights Group, UK and James Dorsey of the Minnesota Advocates for Human Rights, spoke about their experiences in documenting and pursuing cases of human rights violations. They advised the delegates and coalition leaders on ways of pursuing justice for the victims of pogroms in the UN and other international institutions. The session on Human Rights was addressed by Prof. Jawahar Nesan, who had founded a fast growing Dalit movement; T. Kumar, Advocacy Director, Amnesty International, USA; and Pushpa Iyer, a Gujarati activist who had worked extensively with the victims of the 2002 Gujarat carnage. The session was also addressed by Swami Agnivesh who has worked courageously against the Hindu extremists. Acharya Shrikumar Poddar, a Hindu spiritual leader based in Michigan, pointed out that the Hindutva groups have engaged in mass violence against religious minorities and Hindutva has nothing to do with Hinduism. The session on activism featured talks from Professor Omar Khalidi and Professor Biju Mathew. Khalidi declared, "What is good for India is good for Indian Muslims and What is good for Indian Muslims is good for India," and went on to prove this declaration. The award winners of this year's IMC Awards included Ruth Morris in Journalism for her coverage of the Indian Diaspora and Dr. Biju Mathew of the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate for his work in exposing the flow of funds to Hindutva extremists from the Hindutva groups in the US. The focused networking sessions on Indian Muslim NGOs, Muslim business networking and women activist networking generated a lot of interest. Munaf Zeena of the Council of Indian Muslims, UK, brought forth the experiences of the Indian-Muslim Diaspora in Britain in their struggle for political and economic empowerment in UK as well as their strategy in the struggle for Justice for the victims of the Gujarat pogrom. Dr. Lise McKean and Dr. Sania Zainuddin, along with Zeeshan Farees, used the Women's networking event to strategize about working against the violent targeting of minority women by Hindutva groups. Among the Michigan Community leaders who spoke at the convention were Steve Spreitzer from the Catholic community and Ghalib Begg. Ghalib Begg congratulated IMC-USA for the lead taken in the Coalition Against Genocide's campaign in getting the US visa denied to Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of Gujarat. Begg called it the biggest political victory for the Indian American Muslims. The convention night concluded with a cultural program of poetry, songs and comedy skits. The speakers and delegates were all praises for the professionalism shown by the dynamic team of IMC-Michigan under the leadership of Asim Khan. The leaders of various communities and groups also thanked IMC-USA for promoting inter-community dialogue and taking the lead in building bridges between the communities. The Coalition to Build a Better India held its first annual meeting the day after the convention and its members discussed means of combating religious and caste-based persecution, the growing economic gulf and political corruption. CONTACT Zeeshan Farees 800-839-7270 / 516-567-0783 IMC-USA 265 Sunrise Highway, Suite 1-355 Rockville Center, NY 11570 Tel: (516) 567-0783

Posted by: Mudy Oct 9 2005, 09:47 AM

excellent work by SABHA - Do read link http://www.sabha.info/4mreport.html

Posted by: Mudy Oct 9 2005, 10:41 PM

http://www.india-forum.com/articles/46/1/Open-letter-to-Dr.-Sandeep-Pandey - A former AID donor.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 30 2005, 07:53 PM

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HOWEVER , ANTI-INDIA FOIL (Federation of Inquilabi Leftists) are unhappy over arrest . FOIL member , a known Hindu Hater, Anti-India, Pro Jihadi , Mr.Sandeep Vaidya , Email: vaidyasandeep2000@yahoo.com , says police is oppressing MUSLIMS . Please take a note at his below mail to FOIL members . ==================== It is impossible that Delhi police could have so quickly cracked the case but 22 people, surely all young muslims are arrested. Police response in Delhi fits in a pattern that is by now familiar to us. Like in Godhra, police conduct indiscriminate sweeps and pick up large number of muslims and torture them to confess to crimes that police desire to charge them with. Sandeep vaidyasandeep2000@yahoo.com =======================
Now wait for some new group will formed by regular anti-Indians to put pressure on Indian government to release pious terrorist.

Posted by: Viren Oct 30 2005, 08:04 PM

Isn't the group taking credit for the Delhi blasts a Inqulabi something? I believe one of the FOIL members is currently in Delhi promising and promised his FOIL buddies in US a revolution ! blink.gif

Posted by: Mudy Oct 30 2005, 08:07 PM

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believe one of the FOIL members is currently in Delhi promising and promised his FOIL buddies in US a revolution
There are two who are openly saying 1) Sandeep Pandey and 2) Vijay Prasad.

Posted by: Mudy Nov 8 2005, 12:07 PM

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This follows my call. Call Chris Tilly. Tell him that you protest his propaganda. Ask him to cancel the film.: Chris Tilly, University Professor Department of Regional Economic and Social Development and Center for Industrial Competitiveness University of Massachusetts Lowell 61 Wilder St., Lowell, MA 01854 Tel: 978-934-2796 He immediately claimed he is talking to a student right now. Looks like he is frightened. I told him I will call him back. I just had a 15 min conversation with Chris Tilly. He was a cool but very firm guy. I explained him that he is doing wrong by presenting communist and leftist propaganda. He acknowledged my views but was pretty blunt on his decision. He did no ask my name etc. If he does to you, you may say you want to be anon and your name is not so important for the purpose of this call. Call him now and tell us in 2-3 lines how it went. I strongly urge everyone on this list to pick up the phone and call the Christ Tully at the number to protest and to ask him to cancel the show: Chris Tilly, University Professor Department of Regional Economic and Social Development and Center for Industrial Competitiveness University of Massachusetts Lowell 61 Wilder St., Lowell, MA 01854 Tel: 978-934-2796 Fax: 810-963-5975 Talking Point: - The movie is baised - The sole intention of the movie is to discredit IDRF. The movie has only one side of the story ... etc... After calling Chris Tully. Write one or two line telling how it went. ################################################# > > > Subject: Re: IMPORTANT Univ of Mass - attack on IDRF once again > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:33:02 -0800 (PST) > Namaskar, > Let us not loose this opportunity. We know that their support has narrowed down to the same old faces. Nobody listens to the Gujarat story again and again. This is the time we also can recruite volunteers. Let us put maximum effort to contact the univ. admin, including the Chancellor, through email and phone call. On that day, we should setup 3-4 tables with posters and distribute flyers. Also, 5-10 people should get into the Laydon room, and keep beating them with crazy questions. because there is strong evidence Don't be defensive, and don't start with a tone of asking evidence. Be offencive, and give them a global picture of pattern of terrorism, and how INDIAN leftist sleep with those terrorists to breed more terrorism in India. > -xxxxx One Professor (Chris Tilly) with support from Biju & Gang attacked last year around the same time (mid-november). He arranged Biju's talk on the campus with some departments sponsoring it. We went in big numbers with full preperation and tried our best in exposing Biju. This year, he is organizing some movie & talk by Rakesh Sharma. See below email. ....... Your guidance in this matter will be appreciated. thanks, yyyyy From: distribution, email Sent: Fri 11/4/2005 2:51 PM To: GradStudents Subject: 11/13-Final Solution: An Indian film about the politics of hate FINAL SOLUTION An Indian movie about the politics of hate *Film showing and discussion with the director, Rakesh Sharma* SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 13 5-8:10 pm (movie is 140 minutes) Lydon Multi-Purpose Room (basement of Lydon Library, North Campus) Final Solution is a study of the politics of hate. Set in Gujarat, India, the film graphically documents the changing face of right-wing politics in India through a study of the 2002 genocide of Muslims in Gujarat. The film examines the aftermath of the deadly violence that followed the burning of 58 Hindus on the Sabarmati Express train at Godhra on February 27 2002. In reaction to that incident, some 2,500 Muslims were brutally murdered, hundreds of women raped, and more than 200,000 families driven from their homes. The right wing Hindu nationalist formations implicated in the Gujarat genocide far from showing any remorse have vowed instead to replicate their "experiment in Gujarat" all over India. Borrowing its reference from the history of Nazism, the title of the film exposes what the film director calls 'Indian Fascism' and seeks to remind that "those who forget history are condemned to relive it." Director Rakesh Sharma, who is on a US tour, will be available to answer questions after the documentary. More information about Rakesh Sharma and his movie can be obtained at: http://www.rakeshfilm.com/ "The Final Solution" is especially relevant to us on this campus because there is strong evidence that the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF), which has a chapter on the UML campus, channels much of its financial support to organizations closely linked to the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the violent right-wing organization that actively promoted the attacks in Gujarat. More about this evidence is posted at http://www.cs.uml.edu/~kramanat/ Sponsored by: Alliance for a Secular and Democratic South Asia * Greater Lowell Peace and Justice * Department of Regional Economic and Social Development * Department of Sociology For more information on the event, please contact Professor Chris Tilly, Chris Tilly, University Professor Department of Regional Economic and Social Development and Center for Industrial Competitiveness University of Massachusetts Lowell 61 Wilder St., Lowell, MA 01854 Tel: 978-934-2796 Fax: 810-963-5975 Chris_Tilly@UML.edu> www.uml.edu/Dept/RESD
Guy n Gals, Like every year these commies of India are showing film on Gujarat riots in University campus, purpose is to brainwash students, discourage funding to any Hindu organization before end of year and regular propaganda against Hindus in US. Please Call Chris at 978-934-2796 and show your protest against regular assault on Indians in US and Hindus in India. It’s important they should hear our voice. Call them and also send him emails or Fax. United we can protect ourselves. Concerned Indian

Posted by: k.ram Nov 9 2005, 05:40 AM

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http://www.perseusbooksgroup.com/perseus/book_detail.jsp?isbn=081332274X Work Under Capitalism by Charles Tilly, Chris Tilly Nov 6, 1997 Paperback US $41.00 CAN $64.00 UK £26.99 081332274X Published by Westview Press Description Work Under Capitalism synthesizes recent institutionalist and Marxist ideas about the organization of production, situating production within a social context omg.gif . Starting with the transaction rather than the individual, it builds upon a coherent theory and applies it to a wide range of experience, from household labor to transformations of health care in Great Britain and the United States. This book’s analysis sheds new light on persisting inequalities by race and gender in the labor market. Written with advanced undergraduates in economics, public policy, sociology, history, and other social sciences in mind, it should also stir wide discussion among professional students of work and labor markets.

Posted by: Mudy Nov 9 2005, 08:47 AM

Now we know, Chris Tilly is part of Leftist/commie movement/revolution. Scum knows how to promote others agenda.

Posted by: Mudy Nov 24 2005, 10:11 PM

http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1084&view=findpost&p=41971

Posted by: Mudy Nov 24 2005, 10:14 PM

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'Kashmir is an occupied province ' : Mullah Kaleem Khwaja FOIL CHATTER : Do you need any more proof, what language these people are talking in FOIL From: "Kaleem Kawaja" kawaja@... To: Foil-l@... Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:57:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [foil] occupied Kashmir Friends, Let us have the courage to say that Kashmir is an occupied province, occupied by the Indian security forces and the Pakistani security forces. The governments of both countries are responsible for occupying it and for fostering their handpicked governments on the province. Yes, finding local corrupt Kashmiri politicians to collaborate with them and carrying out their dictates is not difficult in a poor province that lacks basic amenities. Remember the shameful playboy Farook Abdullah and his equally disgraceful playboy son Omar Abdullah. The father-son duo spent most of their time holidaying abroad and cavorting in nightclubs and golf courses, while Kashmir burned for over a decade and 30,000 poor Kashmiris lost their lives. Who forced these folks on the people of Kashmir? And who payed them huge sums of cash and paid for their lavish lifestyle? The same political corruption happened in the so called "Azad Kashmir" corrupt politicians foisted as President of Azad Kashmir ! If we accept the above why d o we complain against Karzai's claim that he is a genuine President of Afghanistan? The difference is only in degree of corruption and use of force. In Iraq too US says that multiple ethnic communities want diverse futures for the country. Hence they have to stay there until a solution is reached! Kaleem Kawaja

Posted by: Shambhu Nov 25 2005, 08:33 AM

Doesn't this @$$hole (above) know how to add a "signature" to his emails? He should add a link to his stellar piece "Spare a tear for the Taliban" at the end of every email. I agree, FOIL types already know of his genius, but now Kawaja Esq. is getting famous..widely read. So for the benefit of new readers he must spread his core message around..and show the world how much he *luhvs* terrorists. wub.gif Edited: Its not "Shed a tear for the Taliban" as I had written earlier... I confused his articles. "Shed a tear for the Lashkar" (not yet on bookshelves) is not to be mixed up with "Spare a tear for the Talibaan"... 




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