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  Severe Quake (Tsunami ) hits S/SE Asia

Posted by: sridhar k Dec 25 2004, 10:26 PM

Admin, please move to the appropriate forum or merge with existing thread Huge casualties are being reported following tidal waves and earth tremors in countries across southern and eastern Asia. Large tidal waves striking coastal parts of Sri Lanka have reportedly killed at least 150 people. Earlier, a massive earthquake, said to measure 8.5, hit Indonesia's Sumatra island at roughly 0800 local time. Earth tremors have also been reported in Bangladesh, while tourist resorts in Thailand have been hit by high tides. After the Indonesian quake, panicked people reportedly fled their homes in the towns of Medan and Banda Aceh, the capitals of two of Sumatra's provinces. The US Geological Survey measured the quake at 8.5 magnitude. Indonesia's geological position - along the Pacific "Ring of Fire" - makes it prone to earthquakes and volcanoes. Electricity and telephone networks in the area have stopped working, making it difficult to confirm the extent of the damage, the BBC's Rachel Harvey in Jakarta reports. Ground shaking Indonesia's worst-hit region appears to be Aceh, a strife-torn province on Sumatra's northern-most tip which has seen heavy clashes between government soldiers and separatist rebels. Several houses in the towns of Banda Aceh and Lhokseumawe are said to have been damaged or washed away in flash floods. A witness interviewed by a local radio station reported seeing nine bodies in Banda Aceh, where part of the town's largest hotel is said to have collapsed. "The ground was shaking for a long time," another witness told the radio station. The impact of the earthquake has been recorded as far afield as the Thai capital, Bangkok, and Singapore. In November, 29 people died when an earthquake struck Indonesia's eastern province of Papua. *************************************************************** Just on call with my mom. Tremors felt throughout India. Water entered some fishermen house and some people are reported killed. Sri Lanka has 150 casualities. Local TV channels are reporting casualties in Vizag and the sea is very rough. Dead bodies are seen in some fisherman colonies in Foreshore estate, Besant Nagar and Santhome area. 4 feet of water has entered ECR in Chennai, Pondicherry. People have been vacated from coastal areas. Planes are cancelled on account of cracks in Runway.,~parts~of~AP,~Orissa~and~W.~Bengal

Posted by: sridhar k Dec 25 2004, 10:42 PM$All/9067CA486D8A8CA765256F7600207428?OpenDocument Ok, looks like a giant tidal wave caused flooding at a lot of places after the earthquake in Indonesia. The water level is receding now. Sri Lanka seems to be the worst affected. The tidal wave caused a lot of panic in Chennai but things are slowly returning to normal. People suspected to have been drowned seems to be poor fishermen folks. I am going off to sleep now. If more things come out, we can keep this thread. or merge with some news thread. Thanks - Sridhar

Posted by: kalyan97 Dec 26 2004, 12:33 AM

Call for constituting an Indian Ocean Community An Indian Ocean Studies Research Group (IOSRG) initiative registereded last year in Chennai, Tamil Nadu by a team of scholars with support from a number of socio-cultural and scientific institutions: Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, Dr. Gopalji Malaviya, Dr. Sankaran, S. Ram Mohan, Ambadi Venugopal. The quake and tsunami which have struck the Indian Ocean states on the morning of 26 December 2004, is reportedly the strongest tremor that has struck anywhere in the world. The nature of the quake measuring 8.5 on the Richter scale (Bhuj quake was only 8.2), resultant tsunami and the extensive area impacted shows the need for a rapid response coast guard team for rescue operations in an area covering the entire Indian Ocean rim-states, stretching from Straits of Hormuz through Straits of Malacca upto the Australian coast. At least, a beginning can be made to study the nature of the tsunami caused by the quake and to agree on a co-operative inter-state response to such emergencies, using the combined facilities of the coast guards of the Indian Ocean Rim States. Such a cooperation should result in the constitution of an Indian Ocean Community on the lines of the European Community. IOSRG looks forward to networking with scholars, scientists and institutions concerned with this natural phenomenon on the Indian Ocean, says a Press Release. S. Kalyanaraman, 26 December 2004 Massive Indonesian Quake Spawns Tidal Waves; Dozens Killed Across Southeast Asia By VOA News 26 December 2004 A massive earthquake off Indonesia's Sumatra island had left at least 23 people dead in Sumatra, Thailand and Sri Lanka. The U.S. Geological Survey measured the quake at 8.5 on the Richter scale, and said it took place Sunday more than 100 kilometers off the west coast of Sumatra. The 8.5 magnitude makes the quake the strongest anywhere in the world in the past 15 years. Nine people were killed in flash flooding in the island's northwestern province of Aceh, while at least four foreign tourists were swept out to sea when huge tidal waves struck Thailand's popular resort island of Phuket. Several other people are missing. Authorities in Sri Lanka say a tidal wave from the quake has killed at least 10 people. Mild tremors were also felt in Malaysia and Singapore. Huge earthquake wreaks havoc By Bhimanto Suwastoyo in Jakarta 26dec04 A HUGE earthquake rocked Indonesia today, unleashing tidal waves and flash floods across Asia that swamped coastal areas and displaced thousands. At least 162 people were reported killed in Sri Lanka after the quake, which seismologists said measured 6.8 on the Richter scale, struck in the Indian ocean southwest of Aceh province on Sumatra island and sparked panic across the region. Sri Lanka's eastern and southern coastline was one of the worst hit areas, with rescuers saying at least 162 people had been killed by tidal waves that battered villages. Sri Lankan relief official M D Rodrigo said workers found at least 150 bodies in the Muslim village of Muttur while another 10 were found in the town of Trincomalee which went under several feet of sea water. "The casualties could be higher," Rodrigo said. He said water level was going down leaving a massive trail of destruction. A large number of people were also believed to be missing. Tsunamis in the southern Thailand resort of Phuket meanwhile left at least four foreign tourists missing after they were swept out to sea. Indian officials, meanwhile, also reported deaths after two people drowned when swamped by a tidal wave in Agarpara in West Bengal state, about 25km from the capital city of Calcutta, Unconfirmed radio reports said at least nine people had been killed in Indonesia. Waves up to five metres high hit the coast of Aceh forcing hundreds to flee to higher ground. In Aceh, a region currently closed off to foreign media and aid agencies due to a long-running separatist conflict, there were unconfirmed reports of casualties, with buildings including a mosque and a hotel collapsing. A reporter from the private ElShinta radio said that the earthquake caused substantial damage in provincial capital Banda Aceh, including the partial collapse of Kuala Tripa hotel and several shops as well as cracks on the road. Reports differed on the the exact location and size of the quake. The US Geological Survey National Earthquake Information Centre put the tremor at 8.5 on the Richter scale, which would make it one of the largest in history, off the west coast of Sumatra while the Strasbourg Observatory in France said the tremor hit 8.0 and was located north of the island. Jakarta's Meteorology and Geophysics Office put the quake at 6.8 saying it was centred in the Indian Ocean about 150km south of Meulaboh, a town on the western coast of Aceh. The office said there were reports of tsunamis, collapsed bridges and downed powerlines. Telephone lines were also down, making communications with the region difficult. First Lieutenant Suyitno of Aceh's southwestern Sigli district police, said that water began to rise some 30 minutes after the quake and added that hundreds of people residing near the coast or along rivers had been evacuated. Suyitno said the depth of the flood was around one metre. Similar conditions were also reported in the coastal town of Lhokseumawe, in North Aceh district, 216 kilometres east of Banda Aceh. The state Antara news agency said that several shops under construction in the Beurawe area of Banda Aceh collapsed and search teams were searching for possible victims - construction workers who might have been in the buildings. A witness also told the radio from Sigli the quake caused the dome of the main mosque there to collapse. The witness said there were no reports of any casualties. The quake was also felt in the North Sumatra province capital of Medan, sparking panic among the population. Indra Suwarta from the meteorology office in Medan said that there were no reports of any damage or casualties in Medan. "Damage has been reported in Banda Aceh and also in Meulaboh, were electricity poles and bridges collapsed. But here has not been any report of casualties so far," Suwarta said. The tremors were felt as far away as the Thai capital Bangkok, about 1500km north of the epicentre, where buildings swayed but no serious damage was reported. Guests of a high-rise hotel reported chandeliers swinging, according to a manager of the city's Conrad Hotel, while the Charoen Krung Pracha Rak Hospital evacuated all 400 of its patients as a precaution. Buildings suffered minor damage in the southern Thai town of Hat Yai, about 800km from the epicentre. Indonesia, an archipelago of more than 18,000 islands, lies on the Pacific "Ring of Fire" noted for its volcanic and seismic activity, and is one of the world's most earthquake-prone regions. Lying at the collision point of three tectonic plates results in frequent earthquakes and volcanic eruptions as pressure between the massive segments of the Earth's crust is released. Last month a succession of powerful earthquakes struck Alor island in eastern Indonesia, killing 26 people.,5744,11785540%255E1702,00.html Huge earthquake rattles Tasmania Danny Buttler 25dec04 TASMANIA felt the power of the world's biggest earthquake in four years yesterday, but escaped damage. Measuring 8.1 on the Richter scale, it would have flattened a major city -- possibly Hobart, if it had been closer to land. The quake's epicentre was 800km south of the island state in the Southern Ocean, just 400km north of Macquarie Island. Buildings across Tasmania shook for up to 15 seconds when the quake struck just before 2am. No one was injured and no buildings were damaged. A Tasmanian police spokesman said emergency services received a handful of calls, with people reporting shaking houses, swinging light fittings and a sound "like a washing machine mid-cycle". The quake also woke people on the south island of New Zealand. "If it happened underneath a population centre in Australia, this would probably have destroyed a whole city," seismologist Cvetan Sinadinovski said. "In terms of size, this could have been more than 30 times stronger than the Newcastle event of 1989." He said tremors were common in the Macquarie Rise region, occurring every one or two years. "This was an inter-plate earthquake between Indo-Australian and Pacific plates," he said. "The last earthquake of similar magnitude in the Macquarie Rise region was in 1924." Globally, yesterday's quake was the strongest since June 2001, when more than 120 people were killed after an earthquake measuring 8.4 struck less than 200km off the coast of Peru. But 22 Australian scientists working on remote Macquarie Island in the sub-Antarctic slept through it. "Nobody felt anything," said Tony Press, Australian Antarctic Division spokesman. He said AAD staff phoned the base immediately after being made aware of the quake. "We grabbed hold of a couple of people having breakfast this morning and they didn't know anything about it," he said. An aftershock registering 6.1 hit at 6.50am, with more likely to follow, Dr Sinadinovski said. - with AAP,5478,11777911%255E662,00.html Powerful earthquake rocks Southeast Asia, killing at least 9 02:01 AM EST Dec 26 JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - A powerful earthquake rocked large parts of Southeast Asia on Sunday. The quake caused dozens of small buildings to collapse and triggered tidal waves in northwestern Indonesia, witnesses and officials said. Nine people were killed as a result of the undersea quake in Indonesia's northwestern province of Aceh, where most of the damage was reported, el-Shinta radio station quoted a witness as saying. It was not possible to immediately confirm the reports. Electricity and telephone networks in parts of the provincial capital, Banda Aceh, were knocked out and dozens of shops and buildings collapsed, the witness told el-Shinta. "The ground was shaking for a long time," Yayan Zamzani told the station. "It must be the strongest earthquake in the last 15 years." There were conflicting reports on the size of the temblor, which struck about 8 a.m. and was centred 160 kilometres off the west coast of Sumatra. The U.S. Geological Survey recorded a magnitude of 8.5, capable of massive damage. But Indonesian seismologists said the quake had a magnitude of 6.4. There was no way to immediately clarify the discrepancy. The quake was also felt in neighbouring Thailand and Malaysia. No major damage was reported in those two countries. A tidal wave hit the Thai tourist resort island Phuket with waves as high as five metres after the earthquake, Thailand's meteorology department said. Some residents in Singapore felt light tremors from the Indonesian quake, local radio reported. Residents in the towns of Lhokseumawe and Banda Aceh said tidal waves had triggered flooding in coastal regions. An Associated Press reporter in Lhokseumawe said several houses had been damaged and that water levels on main streets in the town had reached one-metre high. At least one house had been swept away, he said. Hundreds of people were fleeing to higher ground, he said. Indonesia, a country of 17,000 islands, is prone to seismic upheaval because of its location on the margins of tectonic plates that make up the so-called Ring of Fire around the Pacific Ocean basin. Quakes reaching a magnitude 8 are very rare. A quake registering magnitude 8 rocked Japan's northern island of Hokkaido on Sept. 25, 2003, injuring nearly 600 people. An 8.4 magnitude tremor that stuck off the coast of Peru on June 23, 2001, killed 74.

Posted by: rhytha Dec 26 2004, 04:29 AM

the toll has risen to 2500 throught out eastern coastal india, and 1000 in Tn alone, i frankly could'nt belive it ohmy.gif

Posted by: sridhar k Dec 26 2004, 05:40 AM,~South~coastal~areas user posted image Madras is really tense.

Posted by: sridhar k Dec 26 2004, 05:56 AM

Posted by: sridhar k Dec 26 2004, 06:59 AM NDTV TV reports that around 3000 people dead in TN. 300 people in cuddalore. 800 people in Nagapattinam district. Too many unidentified tourist dead body in Velankanni.

Posted by: Pathmarajah Dec 26 2004, 01:25 PM

Let me add. I have a holiday apartment 300 metres from the beach in Penang Island. The entire building shook 3 times and the complex has been evacuated; people sleeping in the car park and streets. Roads jammed for miles. Diners, just 150 metres from our home were washed away in seconds. Tourists, beach bums, stray dogs and surfers were washed away before they knew what hit them. Fishermen have disappeared. Most just stared at that wall of approaching water, thinking this must be some new govt tourist programme. Staring is bad. My kids holidaying 200 miles away in another island with Hindu swamis were hit chest deep before they could say, 'whoa, wha was dat'!. Thinking they were drunk, some friends slept thru the quakes and swaying beds, saying 'phew that was one long heavy nite'. Nothing like this ever before in living memory. The death toll as of now is 11,000 in asia. Sri Lanka was made bad. 3/4 million affected. Pathma

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 26 2004, 02:40 PM

Heartfelt condolences to the families of the affected. This is really sad. Any charities taking the lead on this ? Please post info on how we can help. sad.gif

Posted by: Krishna Dec 26 2004, 03:08 PM

First, my condolences to all who lost their lives in this tragic event. sad.gif Second, lets also discuss how we can minimize the loss of lives in the future if any such natural calamities occur. I mean early warning systems for residents of the would-be-affected-area.

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 26 2004, 05:19 PM,6935,2-13-1443_1639881,00.html Interesting link from slashdot discussion..

Sydney - The world's biggest earthquake in almost four years, measuring 8.1 on the Richter scale, struck off the coast of Australia's southern island state of Tasmania early on Friday, but caused no damage or injury. Seismological officials said it was felt throughout Tasmania and the South Island of New Zealand, but because it occurred at a depth of 10 kilometres and far from inhabited land, it was barely noticed even by the scientists or penguins on nearby Macquarie Islands. Geoscience Australia said the epicentre of the quake, was 400 kilometres off Macquarie Island and 800 kilometres off the coast of Tasmania, about halfway between Australia and Antarctica. Seismologist Cvetan Sinadinovski said it caused buildings to shake in the island state for up to 15 seconds, but did not cause a tsunami or unusual tidal activity because it was of horizontal rather than vertical displacement and struck far off the coast. "If it happened underneath a population centre in Australia, this would probably have destroyed a whole city," Sinadinovski said.
Another interesting post from slashdot..
I live quiet close to the shore in Besant Nagar- we got off easy - but it was awesome (not as in exciting but leave your mouth open gaping awesome) to see the sea swell up and eat up the shoreline. I was just driving past and saw a boat go up and down about 20-30 feet from the road!! I parked the car, grabbed the camera - but by then the sea had receded - but that was enough to cause serious damage to the hutments close to the sea. We had mild tremor to start the day - barely noticeable at around 6.30 AM - i looked up the internet and found Tibet post of USGS registering a 8.9 quake at Sumatra -looking at the map I thought to myself - all thats in the line between Sumatra and Chennai is the sea (and of course teeny weeny Andaman). Went out for Breakfast and on my return - this. Its unforgettable and cannot be described. Most of India's coast is devastated - I hear Sri Lanka, Maldives etc are pretty bad too. The Quake here was nothing - a mild shake at best - but the Tsunami that followed was something else Apologies for the verbose post - but I am struggling for words to tell what happened.
one more..
I'm on an island right next to Sumatra (relatively), and there were huge tsunami's hitting us too. The last I heard 15 people died in the floods. It's not as bad as what people in Sri Lanka and India experienced, but still... My mom felt the quake at around 9, I didn't notice anything though. I'm very thankful Malaysia is relatively safe from quakes, but I feel so sorry for all who were affected.
interesting link
The Sumatra Quake was measured to be 8.9 on the Richter Magnitude scale making it the fifth largest recorded earthquake since 1900 The Richter Magnitude scale measures the seismic energy released by an earthquake. To put this quake into comparison, energy-wise: A 8.5 quake releases energy equivalent to an explosion of 5 billion tons of TNT, while a 9.0 quake releases energy equivalent to 32 billion tons of TNT. In comparison: The bomb dropped over Hiroshima, Japan on August 6, 1945 had a yield of 20 000 tons (0.02 million tons of TNT) Update: The largest magnitude earthquake recorded is the Great Chilean Earthquake on May 22, 1960, with a measured magnitude of 9.5.
What kind of time delay are we talking about between when the earthquake strikes and when the tsunami forms/hits the coast? In deep water, a tsunami goes about 500 mph. Not much time for folks in Sumatra, but the people of Sri Lanka might have been warned. As near as I can figure out, all the tsunami warning efforts are focused on the Pacific rim. There simply aren't enough tsunamis elsewhere to make it worth the effort. Or at least so the theory went. Why someone with a seismograph didn't look at the 8.9, look at a map, see the Indian ocean and go "Ya know, maybe we should warn someone" is beyond me. I guess 2 hours isn't that long when you don't have set procedures in place. Still....
Tsunamis are notoriously difficult to detect, as they remain underwater until approaching the shore; also, the wavelength is in the order of kilometers, so it's very hard to track. However, I'm surprised earthquake detectors could were not used to evacuate people along the coast. A devastating loss of life is the result of such incompetence/inability.
I heard that in Krabi (Thailand) people notice the sea withdrawing uncharacteristically about 5 minutes before the first wave hit. Anyone can explain that? As the wave approaches shore, the speed changes and the amplitude increases markedly. The water had to come from somewhere - as the wave approaches, the "tide" appears to pull back - but it will be replaced. There's a Japanese story (don't know if it's true or a legend) about a man near his grainery on a hill who saw the water rushing out. The only way to warn the people below was to set fire to his grainery. Everyone came running to put the fire out....
Actually only the preceeding earthquake is unpredictable. When you know where the epicenter of the earthquake is and the topography and makeup of the ocean floor, you can see where the resulting tsunamis (if any are created) will hit hardest. Unfortunately, you don't have much time between the quake and the tsunami hitting. I hear if Canary Island (The one ready to fall into the sea and wipe out the east coast) would cause a tsunami that could travel across the Atlantic Ocean in 45 minutes, and I read on the BBC that this most recent tsunami was going 2,000km/h, which seems to be roughly the same speed. Mind boggling though

Posted by: Vajramuni Dec 26 2004, 09:32 PM

My condolences for this natural disaster. I was wondering why the global seismic network did not warn the affected countries? Philippines, China, etc aint to far from Indonesia. India is on a continental plate on its own. Perhaps there is more danger from fault lines that run through Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Indonesia is also on a fault line. It is about time India got on this Tsunami network. There is nothing to prevent a tsunami other than build a preventive wall that might help little. Japanese are most troubled by this Phenomenon. At last some water in Koovum.

Posted by: Pathmarajah Dec 27 2004, 02:50 AM

Friends, Thank you all for the concern and sympathy. We are okay and much relief work is underway, even in India. Sri Lanka is taking it hard though. This is a useful lesson to all govts and I'm sure they will implement the international seismic disaster warning system soon after this. It does not really cost much - mostly fixed lines of communications as well as siren towers at all ports, jetties, coastal villages and beach resorts, and, integrated relief work by the fire department, coast guard, police, armed forces and ambulance. Walls would not help though. Send a tsunami of emails to the Indian Home Affairs minister on this. smile.gif Regards all. Pathma

Posted by: k.ram Dec 27 2004, 05:48 AM

xposted --- Dear Hindu Bandhu, We at Kanchi Health and Education Society have a set up a relief camp at Pudupakkam, close to Kovalam. Aproximately 10,000 people have been fed and there is continuous feeding taking place. In addition, the women's Self Help Groups under our control have been pressed into service to do the cooking etc., Our Ambulance is in place ferrying people out of danger zone. Tomorrow one load of materials is leaving for Kelambakkam camp (closest to Kovalam). In this we have packed rice, dal, used clothes in usable condition, vessels, medicine etc., The three brass vessles which Sri Jayendra Saraswati Swamigal gave me, not too long ago, to be handed over to a dalit temple or a dalit family has also been packed in this consignment. I am happy that the money sent by Shri xxxxxx ji (I had acknowledged it in the forum just three days ago) has come in very handy and we could buy the rice and dal in great quantities from this amount. The Kannikaparameshwari Temple in Kovalam which we did the consecration few months ago had helped save so many lives as children were involved by the AIM for Seva team inside the temple imparting moral lessons when the tidal wave swept in. The children were saved inside the shore Temple. Shri Jaishankar of AIM for Seva is a witness to the tidal devastation. Rest of Kovalam is devastated. The Temple stands tall. What is required in the longer plan is rehabilitation of the fishermen. These fishermen have lost their boats and their fishing nets to the sea. We have placed our request to AIM for Seva to Sri Jaishankar on this and with the blessings of Pujya Dayananda Saraswathi Swamiji, we hope to rehabilitate them. We need to rehabilitate these people for the simple reason that they have withstood the conversions from the proselytizers for so many years now. They had even made a panchayat resolution (a vow before Goddess Kannikaparameshwari) that none of them from their fishing community would ever change religion and that they would remain Hindus till death. South simple people need be supported. Swamiji supported them at the time when we were stuck with the temple construction for want of funds. He bought the adjacent piece of encroached land and gave it as a gift to the Temple, in addition to supporting the cause with close to 500 bags of cement. This is one project which we have been involved since beginning and are glad that it had kept the community together in good and in bad. Those desirous of supporting these people could do through two avenues- a) through AIM for SEVA b) though Kanchi Health and Education Society Kanchi Health Ctc: Sri B.Rajesh, 40 Beach Road, Kalakshetra Colony, Besant Nagar, Chennai-600 090. Tel: res- 044- 24912814 Mob: 9444012814 Checks can be drawn favouring Kanchi Health and Education Society Materials can be reached at the above address.

Posted by: rhytha Dec 27 2004, 09:46 AM

There are people out there who need us, lets not let them down. Nature didnt distingush, why should we. We have seen the Fury of Nature, now is the time to display the Force of Human Compassion In view of the appeal by the prime minister to all citizens to donate generously to the PMNRF to help relief and rehabilitation operations, 12 banks have been authorised to receive such donations. They are State Bank of India, Central Bank of India, Union Bank of India, Dena Bank, Syndicate Bank, Corporation Bank, Bank of India, Indian Overseas Bank, Punjab National Bank, Indian Bank, Allahabad Bank and Citi Bank. The spokesman said the donations could be made by cheque or draft in the name of the Prime Minister's National Relief Fund and sent to the Prime Minister's Office, South Block, New Delhi-110001. The nationalised banks will not charge any commission on preparation of draft in favour of PMNRF. Contributions could also be sent through money orders with no commission chargeable, the spokesman said adding that the contributions to PMNRF have been notified for 100% deduction from taxable income under section 80 (G) of the Income Tax Act. ================================================================================ ======== APPEAL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CHIEF MINISTER'S PUBLIC RELIEF FUND Contributions to the Chief Minister's Public Relief Fund are most welcome. The Contribution may be sent either by cash or cheque or Demand Draft drawn in favour of "CHIEF MINISTER'S PUBLIC RELIEF FUND" addressed to : The Joint Secretary to Government and Treasurer, Chief Minister's Public Relief Fund, Finance Department, Secretariat, Chennai-600 009. 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Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 27 2004, 10:43 AM

Folks, I know this aint the right time for this but my experience of earthquake in gujarat says the foll.. 1) Aid usually comes with string attached. 2) Aid in hands of the wrong guys just ends up being used pretty inefficiently. 3) Like it or not disaster time is big business for people. Bottomline you have to make two decisions. (1) amount you are going to donate (2) who you are going to donate to. During Guj earthquake I donated to IDRF. And I was pretty happy with that. I could even get my employer to match my donation since it is a 501 3 c certified. So you can get tax benefit out of it. And my company only matched donations to 501 charity org only. I havent still made up my mind but most likely its going to be IDRF.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 27 2004, 11:09 AM

Do not give to Prime Ministers fund or Chief Ministers Fund Late Rajiv Gandhi said that 85% of govt social works money gets stolen It is essential to give money only through hindu charities with a note ' tsunami victims'

Posted by: rajivg Dec 27 2004, 12:59 PM

The RSS is already setting up help in TN. See the info below about the RSS relief effort: ‘SEVA BHARTI TAMILNADU’ Shakti, 1 M.V.Street Panchavati , Chet Put Chennai –600031 Ph- 044 28360243 28361049 Donations can be sent by cheque, draft or money order in the of ‘Seva Bharti Tamilnadu’. Succor in kind like blankets, warm clothes, medicines etc can also be sent.

Posted by: Sudhir Dec 27 2004, 02:46 PM

QUOTE (G.Subramaniam @ Dec 27 2004, 11:39 PM)
Late Rajiv Gandhi said that 85% of govt social works money gets stolen
He (Rajiv Gandhi) should know the best. Under his watch, the Bhopal Gas tragedy victims got squat.

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 27 2004, 04:28 PM

Posted by: acharya Dec 27 2004, 05:33 PM

Send this Article to a Friend Fear of tsunami grips coastal areas By M. Raghuram MANGALORE, DEC. 27. A fear of tsunami has gripped Mangalore and other coastal areas in the State. With the Meteorological Department in Thiruvananthapuram reporting seismic activity from Andaman and Nicobar Islands, fishermen are worried about their safety. After the tsunami effect was felt at Old Port in Mangalore, Surathkal, Malpe and Kumta, they have stopped venturing into the sea. They are also concerned about the safety of their boats anchored at various ports, including Mangalore Old Port, Malpe, and Belikeri, and small fishing wharfs at Hungarkatta, Ullal, and Thenka Yermal. But, according to the Deputy Director of Fisheries, Suresh Kumar, here, everything appeared normal and a few purse-seine boats left on a fishing expedition earlier in the morning. He told The Hindu that the department had asked them though not to venture into the sea. Capt. Mohan Kudri, Port Officer at Old Mangalore Port, said that there are no reports of unusually high tides in the deep sea, and fishermen have been told to return if they experience anything unusual. Control room The Deputy Commissioner of Dakshina Kannada, Arvind Shrivastava, said that a control room in his office will be open all 24 hours. He appealed to the people not to believe rumours. A notification from his office said tourists or locals should not go to the beachfront. Fishermen have been told that in an emergency, they can shift to school buildings in interior areas. Schools have been identified as rehabilitation centres. The district administration has opened emergency telephone services. The numbers are: 1077 (toll free), 2420519, 2420550, 2420140; Mangalore taluk office - 2420187; police district control room - 2441717; city control room - 100. `Sea is calm' The president of the Karnataka Meenugarara Kriya Samiti, Loknath Bolar, said that according to fishermen, the sea is calm now. Reacting to the order of the Udupi Deputy Commissioner, Shyam Bhat, asking fishermen not to venture into the sea, Mr. Bolar said fishermen feel their vessels are safer in the high seas than at the wharf. If there is another tsunami, the boats at the wharf will hit one another and also the wall of the wharf and suffer damage. The samiti appealed to the Deputy Commissioner not to stop fishermen from venturing into the sea. The police gave the names of two young women who died at Surathkal on Sunday afternoon as Savitha D'Souza and Shakunthala. The body of Savitha has not been found. The police investigation team reported that seawater engulfed the rock on which the women were sitting and they were drowned. A report said that five tourists from Mangalore, who had gone to Chennai, died. The Superintendent of Police, Dakshina Kannada, Soumendu Mukherjee, said the police are warning people not to go to the beachfront. The beaches are now deserted, and the families of fishermen who were living near the shore have moved to interior areas.

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India Development & Relief Fund (IDRF), USA Appeal for Relief & Rehabilitation of Tsunami victims in South India Giant Tsunamis unleashed by a massive undersea earthquake in distant Sumatra lashed coastal southern India on December 26th morning, killing several thousand people and affecting millions of people in Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Andaman & Nicobar Islands, Kerala and Pondicherry. Worst affected is the fisherman community who generally reside along the coast. Volunteers from several NGOs such as Sewa Bharati (Panchvati, Chetpet, Chennai), Jana Sankshema Samiti (Vijaywada, AP), Vivekanand Kendra and several other non-governmental organizations (NGOs) have swung into action and are providing the much-needed rescue and relief services to the victims. Emergency medical services including medicines, food packets, drinking water, clothes are being provided. IDRF is soliciting your tax-deductible contribution for the relief and rehabilitation of Tsunami victims. IDRF has already released $10,000 towards immediate relief efforts and will match dollar-to-dollar for your donations up to $50,000. IDRF will channel your generous contributions to the above mentioned and other voluntary NGOs providing relief and rehabilitation of affected families including: · Medical services · Distribution of fishing nets, assistance for purchasing and repairing fiber boats · Repair of diesel engines and supply fuel · Distribution of textbooks, notebooks and uniforms to students. · Construction of houses, Repair and construction of community infrastructure Contact Us Suresh Deopura (510) 573-5100 Shri Narayan Chandak (309)- 662-8353 Raghu Verabelli 781-270-2349 Vijay Pallod (281) 568-4995, Or email Please make check payable to ‘IDRF’ (mention ‘Tsunami’ in the memo) and mail it to: IDRF, 4807 Phebe Ave, Fremont, CA 94555 Donate on-line through your VISA/MasterCard or Direct Debit from checking account. IDRF is administered by volunteers without any honorarium or overhead. Thus, 100% of your contribution will be disbursed directly to the NGO. Please check out our website for latest information .

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 27 2004, 07:54 PM

Question. Gujju papers say all relief work is being handled exclusively by GOI ? True ? They said about 21 tonnes of relief material from Ahmedabad as well as 5 tonnes from Bhuj was taken by IAF and will be distributed by GOI. No NGO involved ?

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 27 2004, 08:16 PM

Wrong RSS volunteers were there well before GOI

Posted by: Pathmarajah Dec 27 2004, 08:36 PM

Thanks for all those emails to your Home Minsiter. It worked! Tsunami alert system to be installed New Delhi, Dec. 27. (PTI): The Government today decided to install sea floor pressure recording system in the Indian Ocean, to send warnings in the event of a tsumani building up in the seas, in a bid to avoid recurrence of the catastrophe caused by the earthquake-induced killer waves in the coastal areas of south India. It has also decided to join a network of 26 countries which warn each other of any changes in the sea pressure and possibility of the onset of high tidal waves related to earthquake in the waters, and start the work on microzonation of Delhi soon, Minister of State for Science and Technology Kapil Sibal told reporters here after a meeting with the officials of his ministry on the devastation. The new system would be linked to the existing devices called data buoys which record sea surface parametres, Sibal said adding any disturbance in the pressure of water would be recorded and sent to satellites. The pressure recording system, which was to be imported from the US, would also strengthen the country's cyclone warning system considering the fact that 25 per cent of the world's cyclones are recorded in the Bay of Bengal, Sibal said. "If the country had had such an alert system in place, then we could have warned the coastal areas of the imminent danger and avoided the loss of life," he said. The Minister said that joining the network of countries which warn each other on tsumanis would benefit India. "While Indonesia, a member of the network, got the information, India did not," he said.

Posted by: narayanan Dec 28 2004, 03:38 AM

G. Subramaniamji, pls. post details (facts, numbers, locations, what they did/are doing). Sorely needed. As u know, these folks are action-oriented, and do little to advertise in places where advertisement is needed. They can use help in this respect - but given the hordes of ***holes that we see on the 'net, we need material to generate factual articles and put them up, fast.

Posted by: k.ram Dec 28 2004, 04:15 AM

Tsunami and Soul Harvesting Christian missionaries are going to take advantage of the situation and strike gold. They are the first ones who announced help and aid for the victims who were rendered homeless by the disaster. Three charities from Britain called "World Vision", "Save the children" and "Christian Aid" are flying relief workers to India and Sri Lanka to help victims and sending money.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 28 2004, 07:46 AM

Please contribute to G.S

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 28 2004, 07:51 AM

RSS relief work done Report- 1 (27.12.2004) Relief work done on 26th December Andhra Pradesh: In Andhra Pradesh Nellore, Prakasham, Krishna, East Godavari, Vishaka & Vijay Nagaram were the worst affected districts as per the preliminary information. Volunteers have started the relief work in various parts of Coastal Andhra Pradesh. • A team of doctors and volunteers from Jaya Bharat Hospital (Nellore) has started the medical facilities in affected area and saved nearly 43 lives. • Nearly 7000 food packets were distributed so far in the above-mentioned villages. • A temporary relief camp was started in Singarayokonda in Prakasham district and the local volunteers were helping the Government authorities. • 3 medical vans from Guntur district rushed immediately to prakasham district with preventive medicines and a batch of 50 volunteers from Kangiri were also joined the team. • A batch of volunteers in Natha Rameshwaram (of East Godavari district) also started the relief camps in the same area. • A survey is going on to estimate the total loss incurred in the coastal Andhra. • Apart from above-mentioned relief works, all the local RSS Units are actively participating in different relief work. Rehabilitation work planned: • Medical services • Distribution of fishing nets, assistance for purchasing and repairing fiber boats • Repair of diesel engines and supply fuel • Distribution of textbooks, notebooks and uniforms to students. • Construction of houses. • Repair and construction of community infrastructure. Dr. S. Sukumar Jana Sankshema Samiti, Madhava Sadhan, Kaleshwara Rao Road, Vijaywada- 520002, Andhra Pradesh, India. Tamil Nadu: The earth quake that hit the East Coast line on December26, 2004 did extensive damage to many places of Tamil Nadu, particularly Chennai, Pondichery, Cuddalore, Nagapattinam and Kanniyakumari. Tremors were initially felt around 6.30 in the morning. But around 8.45 a.m., the seawater raised upto 10 mtrs. With terrific speed engulfing the huts, houses and people living in the coastal areas and also people who were walking on the coastal road, children playing nearby, and fishermen both in and out of sea. Fishing boats, fishnets and catamarans were extensively damaged. By 10.30 a.m., volunteers swung into action and involved themselves in the relief work and salvaging the dead. By noon 12.30 the volunteers started distributing food packets. By evening, the relief work gained momentum and more and more volunteers along with volunteers of many social service organisations like Ramakrishna Mutt etc., coordinated in arranging for food packets, buns, clothes, blankets, milk to the children etc. In some places, relief centres were opened and food prepared round the clock. Immediately, nearly 800 volunteers involved themselves in relief work. Around 20,000 food packets were distributed. Six medical centres were opened for giving medical assistance. The response from the general public was also spontaneous as a result of which clothes arrived at the relief centres in a big way. A survey is being conducted in the coastal belt to assess the extent of damage and the areas which need rehabilitation work. In the coming days, it is decided to take up rehabilitation work on a larger scale particularly providing of boats, fishing nets, blankets, utensils, supply of note books, text books to the students, construction of houses etc. An office has been opened for the relief work in Chennai. Sri Bhaktavatsalam will co-ordinate the relief work. We appeal to the general public to co-operate by giving their donations at the earliest in the name of: SEVA BHARATHI TAMILNADU (EARTH QUAKE RELIEF A/C) 'Shakti' No.1, M.V.Naidu Street, Chetput, Chenai 600 031. Phone No. 2836 0243, 2836 1049 e.mail: DISTRICTWISE REPORT CHENNAI Immediately after the incident, 250 volunteers swung into action and distributed 12,000 food pockets. In addition, blankets, sarees, bread, biscuits, milk to children were distributed. One medical van started operating with a team of doctors who went round the affected places and gave medicines. Two relief centres were opened and food prepared round the clock for distribution. PONDICHERY 25 volunteers immediately rushed to the affected places and distributed blankets, clothes. At Karaikal volunteers engaged in the work of salvaging the dead bodies. CUDDALORE A medical team immediately went round the affected places and gave medicines to more than thousand persons. NAGAPATTINAM A relief centre has been opened. 50 volunteers involved themselves in the relief work. Food packets along with water sachets and clothes were distributed. KANYAKUMARI Two medical teams started going round the affected places and provided first-aid and medicines. 100 volunteers were involved in the relief work. Food and clothes were distributed. (R.V.S. MARIMUTHU)

Posted by: Mudy Dec 28 2004, 08:13 AM CNN) -- Two days after tsunamis swept across the Indian Ocean from Thailand to Somalia, the death toll has risen to more than 33,000 as the international community scrambles to help the region cope with the disaster.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 28 2004, 10:55 AM

While all parts of coastal Tamil Nadu was hit by Tsunami sea waves, (the christian shrine of Velankanni and a church in Kanchipuram being no exceptions), Tiruchendur, one of the famous 6 holy shrines of Lord Karthikeya was totally unaffected. Usually, sea water comes very close to this shore temple. However , while the Tsunami waves were attacking the shores across tamil nadu, the sea receded away from this shore temple by 0.75 mile revealing the rocks which are usually submerged! The sea came back to its usual position in the afternoon by around 1 PM only. This event was photographed/videographed by many devotees who were visiting the temple at that time. People are not able to assign any other reason other than devine intervention and the power of the shrine. Photograph of the sea that receded away from shore is available at

Posted by: manju Dec 28 2004, 11:17 AM

QUOTE (G.Subramaniam @ Dec 28 2004, 11:25 PM)
While all parts of coastal Tamil Nadu was hit by Tsunami sea waves, (the christian shrine of Velankanni and a church in Kanchipuram being no exceptions), Tiruchendur, one of the famous 6 holy shrines of Lord Karthikeya was totally unaffected. Usually, sea water comes very close to this shore temple. However , while the Tsunami waves were attacking the shores across tamil nadu, the sea receded away from this shore temple by 0.75 mile revealing the rocks which are usually submerged! The sea came back to its usual position in the afternoon by around 1 PM only. This event was photographed/videographed by many devotees who were visiting the temple at that time. People are not able to assign any other reason other than devine intervention and the power of the shrine. Photograph of the sea that receded away from shore is available at
I was at the Tiruchendur Temple last year. I was worried that devotees bathing in the sea before going into the temple for Darshanam would be washed away. Glad that the temple was not affected.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 28 2004, 11:40 AM

One interesting fact The tsunami selectively hit churches Most hindu temples on seashore escaped Tiruchendur temple, Kovalam temple, Vivekananda rock Dozens of temples near Besant nagar beach all escaped The Vailankanni church where foolish hindus go to pray and donate to conversionists has been hit badly Another church hit was a Kanchi church

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'Vivekanand Rock saved our lives' TULIKA AGNIHOTRI TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, DECEMBER 27, 2004 11:02:40 PM ] NEW DELHI: What was till Sunday morning a picture postcard holiday, turned into a nightmare for Atul Dighe and his family. The 33-year-old employee of an infrastructure finance company, was at the Vivekananda Rock at Kanyakumari with his wife Meenal and their five-year-old daughter, when Tsunami waves arrived in force at the tourist spot on Sunday. "At 9 am, we took a ferry to Vivekananda Rock, which is located in the middle of the sea. At about 10.30 am, the water started receding and moved away from the shore. I could actually see the floor of the sea," said Atul, a resident of Bandra in Mumbai speaking to TNN over telephone. What he saw next was even more terrifying. "There was a huge wave, about 30-40 feet high coming towards us from the Arabian sea side. There were about 2,000 people on the spot, including about 100 children. Everyone was screaming and running in different directions and it was a stampede," recalled Meenal. Had it not been for the statue, behind which they all stood, the death toll in India could have been higher by hundreds. "The huge wave hit the statue and went back. After that the water kept receding and increasing for another two hours, but thankfully there were no more such waves," said Atul.

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Seconds before the first wave struck the fishermen from behind, the air turned to mist and they heard a loud hissing noise, as if the sea had become a savage animal. Veerapan Arul, 40, was heading back to shore with Sunday morning's catch in a 12-foot fiberglass fishing boat when he noticed something strange: The calm waters had started to froth and bubble, and it seemed as if a wintry fog were rolling in. "There was a ghastly 'ssssssssss' sound," Arul recalled Monday. "I hadn't seen or heard anything like that before." And then it hit, a swell so powerful it knocked Arul and five other fishermen sitting next to him into a torrent at least 15 feet high. Within minutes, they would ride a second swell and then a third, rushing hundreds of yards inland and then hundreds of yards back out to sea, fighting to keep the waves from sucking them under to their deaths. "They came like possessed beasts to destroy the whole village," said Arul, whose mother drowned along with 63 of her neighbors in the tsunami.

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New Delhi. Dec 28: India is not against foreign relief assistance but is only being selective about what is required, officials said on Tuesday as the UN and various countries prepared to launch the biggest relief operations ever to help victims of Sunday's tsunami disaster. "We are not saying 'no' to relief assistance, but we require help only in selective areas, like advanced equipment and gadgets that will help our own efforts," a senior official told IANS. In principle India is averse to accepting money for relief operations, the official said. Being a diversified economy, India produces most of the items that are required to cope with natural disasters like the tsunami waves that wrought havoc in a wide swathe of the southeastern coast, the official added. It is this capability that has enabled the country to go to the aid of Sri Lanka and the Maldives even as it is busy with rescue and relief operations in its own affected states. A UN spokesman said the world body would be launching the biggest-ever relief operation it has undertaken in South and Southeast Asia following the tsunami deluge that has claimed an estimated 25,000 lives, including over 6,000 in India. Notwithstanding India's reservation about receiving monetary relief assistance, US Ambassador David Mulford has announced the provision of $100,000 as immediate humanitarian relief for the tsunami-hit people.

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 28 2004, 02:14 PM

Anybody got nytimes ID ? can you access and post it please ? Only if you find it interesting .. Its got this link and its got a pic.. user posted image Scary.. sad.gif

Posted by: Dev Dec 28 2004, 02:27 PM

Here goes rajesh (see above post for URL)...

December 28, 2004 THE INTERNET Blogs Provide Raw Details From Scene of the Disaster By JOHN SCHWARTZ For vivid reporting from the enormous zone of tsunami disaster, it was hard to beat the blogs. The so-called blogosphere, with its personal journals published on the Web, has become best known as a forum for bruising political discussion and media criticism. But the technology proved a ready medium for instant news of the tsunami disaster and for collaboration over ways to help. There was the simple photo of a startlingly blue boat smashed against a beachside palm in Jaffna, Sri Lanka, at "Every house and fishing boat has been smashed, the entire length of the east coast," wrote Fred Robart, who posted the photo. "People who know and respect the sea well now talk of it in shock, dismay and fear." At, Nanda Kishore, a contributor, offered photos and commentary from Chennai, India: "Some drenched till their hips, some till their chest, some all over and some of them were so drenched that they had already stopped breathing. Men and women, old and young, all were running for lives. It was a horrible site to see. The relief workers could not attend to all the dead and all the alive. The dead were dropped and the half alive were carried to safety." His postings included a photo of a body on a sidewalk with a buffalo walking by. "It now seems prophetic," he wrote, "for according to the Hindu mythology, Lord Yama (the god of death) rides on a buffalo." Bloggers at the scene are more deeply affected by events than the journalists who roam from one disaster to another, said Xeni Jardin, one of the four co-editors of the site, which pointed visitors to many of the disaster blogs. "They are helping us understand the impact of this event in a way that other media just can't," with an intimate voice and an unvarnished perspective, with the richness of local context, Ms. Jardin said. That makes blogs compelling - and now essential - reading, said Dr. Siva Vaidhyanathan, an assistant professor of culture and communication at New York University and a blogger. Once he heard about the disaster, "Right after BBC, I went to blogs," he said. "This notion that we now have eyes and ears around the world is more than something we've grown accustomed to; we've grown to demand it," he said. Bloggers at, some of them living in the affected nations, began chattering immediately after the waves hit and began discussions of ways to help. South Asian bloggers created tsunamihelp to direct people to aid organizations. "I haven't seen this level of people saying, 'You know what? We can do something here. We can connect the pieces,' " said Alex Steffen, who lives in Seattle and edits "It's mind-blowing, and it's inspiring." Howard Rheingold, the author of "Smart Mobs: The Next Social Revolution," about the use of interactive technologies like text-messaging to build ad hoc coalitions, said that using blogs to muster support for aid was a natural next step. "If you can smartmob a political demonstration, an election or urban performance art, you can smartmob disaster relief," he said. One veteran of the online medium said he was initially "a little disappointed" in the reports he got from the blogs. Paul Saffo, director of the Institute for the Future in California, said that with the widespread use of digital cameras and high-speed digital access, he was expecting to see more raw video and analysis. He said that upon reflection he realized that it was difficult to get information out of hard-hit areas and that putting digital video online is still the domain of "deep geeks" with significant resources. "This brought home to me just how far we have to go," he said. Ms. Jardin of BoingBoing said people online often argued about whether blogs would replace mainstream media. The question is as meaningless, she said, as asking "will farmers' markets replace restaurants?" "One is a place for rich raw materials," she continued. "One represents a different stage of the process." Blogging from the tsunami, she said, is "more raw and immediate," but the postings still lack the level of trust that has been earned by more established media. "There is no ombudsman for the blogosphere," she said. "One will not replace the other, but I think the two together are good for each other." Dr. Vaidhyanathan said he was leaving for a long-planned trip to India today and, if possible, hoped to visit relatives in Madras. "As long as there is electricity and Internet access, I'll blog," he said.

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Christians See Conversion Opportunities in Disaster Relief VIRGINIA, USA, December 28, 2004: The Christian website,, published a long story about Christian relief efforts following the tsunami ("source"). While the Christian charity exhibited by the rapid response of Christian organizations is admirable, the ulterior motives of conversion expressed by some are disturbing: Some excerpts: ...."Doctor Ajith Fernando, who is considered by some to be the "Billy Graham of Sri Lanka,' heads up the Youth for Christ (YFC) office there. A long-time friend and partner of NDI, he wrote to Williams from Sri Lanka: 'What a sad day this has been! We keep hearing of more and more friends and loved ones of friends who have died or lost much of their belongings. The death toll for Sri Lanka alone is over 10,000 and keeps rising. We have prayed and wept for our nation for many years. The most urgent of my prayers has always been that my people would turn to Jesus. I pray that this terrible, terrible tragedy might be used by God to break through into the lives of many of our people.' " ...."In the wake of this disaster, Gospel For Asia's 1.5 million-member Believers Church in India is rallying support and deploying its leadership and members to minister to those suffering both physically and spiritually. 'In times like these, we know that God opens the hearts of those who suffer, and we pray that as our workers demonstrate God's love to them, many of them will come to know for the first time that real security comes only through Him,' Gospel For Asia president K.P. Yohannon said. He add, 'We ask that our brothers and sisters in the West take the time today to pray for these millions of victims, that they will feel God's presence and grace in a special way.' "

Posted by: Sunder Dec 28 2004, 02:42 PM MAHABALIPURAM, India - When the tsunami wave struck this ancient pilgrimage town, the sea water broke around a 1,200-year-old temple on the shore and destroyed the 80 tourist shops lined up next to it. Sundary Munnaswamy lost her two shops Sunday morning, but her family survived the deluge that killed 15 townspeople. Now, she says, they'll do the same thing they and their ancestors have done every time disaster strikes: Get a loan, buy new inventory and get back to work. "Willpower is what keeps you going," she said Tuesday, standing in the broken cement frame where she sold seashells, stone carvings and textiles. Ninety-nine deaths had been counted in Mahabalipuram and surrounding villages, but S.R. Kumar, the 70-year-old senior priest at the town's main temple, said the area's people will persevere the same as Munnaswamy because most are devout in their Hinduism. "God is all the survivors need," he said, standing in front of the blue and white Sthalasayanapermal Temple, which was built 700 years ago to replace another shoreside temple. "They just need to pray every day." The crash of surf echoed as Munnaswamy scraped sand from one of her wrecked shops, just yards from the 8th century Shore Temple, the earliest existing example of a stone-built temple in southern India.

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Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 28 2004, 02:53 PM Good gesture. More corporates should come forward. During Guj quake Reliance emplyed all of its resources is rescue efforts and also adopted a couple of villages as part of rebuilding.

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THE INTERNET Blogs Provide Raw Details From Scene of the Disaster By JOHN SCHWARTZ Published: December 28, 2004 For vivid reporting from the enormous zone of tsunami disaster, it was hard to beat the blogs. The so-called blogosphere, with its personal journals published on the Web, has become best known as a forum for bruising political discussion and media criticism. But the technology proved a ready medium for instant news of the tsunami disaster and for collaboration over ways to help. Advertisement There was the simple photo of a startlingly blue boat smashed against a beachside palm in Jaffna, Sri Lanka, at "Every house and fishing boat has been smashed, the entire length of the east coast," wrote Fred Robart, who posted the photo. "People who know and respect the sea well now talk of it in shock, dismay and fear." At, Nanda Kishore, a contributor, offered photos and commentary from Chennai, India: "Some drenched till their hips, some till their chest, some all over and some of them were so drenched that they had already stopped breathing. Men and women, old and young, all were running for lives. It was a horrible site to see. The relief workers could not attend to all the dead and all the alive. The dead were dropped and the half alive were carried to safety." His postings included a photo of a body on a sidewalk with a buffalo walking by. "It now seems prophetic," he wrote, "for according to the Hindu mythology, Lord Yama (the god of death) rides on a buffalo." Bloggers at the scene are more deeply affected by events than the journalists who roam from one disaster to another, said Xeni Jardin, one of the four co-editors of the site, which pointed visitors to many of the disaster blogs. "They are helping us understand the impact of this event in a way that other media just can't," with an intimate voice and an unvarnished perspective, with the richness of local context, Ms. Jardin said. That makes blogs compelling - and now essential - reading, said Dr. Siva Vaidhyanathan, an assistant professor of culture and communication at New York University and a blogger. Once he heard about the disaster, "Right after BBC, I went to blogs," he said. "This notion that we now have eyes and ears around the world is more than something we've grown accustomed to; we've grown to demand it," he said. Bloggers at, some of them living in the affected nations, began chattering immediately after the waves hit and began discussions of ways to help. South Asian bloggers created to direct people to aid organizations. "I haven't seen this level of people saying, 'You know what? We can do something here. We can connect the pieces,' " said Alex Steffen, who lives in Seattle and edits "It's mind-blowing, and it's inspiring." Howard Rheingold, the author of "Smart Mobs: The Next Social Revolution," about the use of interactive technologies like text-messaging to build ad hoc coalitions, said that using blogs to muster support for aid was a natural next step. "If you can smartmob a political demonstration, an election or urban performance art, you can smartmob disaster relief," he said. One veteran of the online medium said he was initially "a little disappointed" in the reports he got from the blogs. Paul Saffo, director of the Institute for the Future in California, said that with the widespread use of digital cameras and high-speed digital access, he was expecting to see more raw video and analysis. He said that upon reflection he realized that it was difficult to get information out of hard-hit areas and that putting digital video online is still the domain of "deep geeks" with significant resources. "This brought home to me just how far we have to go," he said. Ms. Jardin of BoingBoing said people online often argued about whether blogs would replace mainstream media. The question is as meaningless, she said, as asking "will farmers' markets replace restaurants?" "One is a place for rich raw materials," she continued. "One represents a different stage of the process." Blogging from the tsunami, she said, is "more raw and immediate," but the postings still lack the level of trust that has been earned by more established media. "There is no ombudsman for the blogosphere," she said. "One will not replace the other, but I think the two together are good for each other." Dr. Vaidhyanathan said he was leaving for a long-planned trip to India today and, if possible, hoped to visit relatives in Madras. "As long as there is electricity and Internet access, I'll blog," he said.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 28 2004, 05:05 PM

MEDIA CENTRE, (Vishwa Samvad Kendra of Uttar Tamilnadu) 12, M.V. Street, Chetpat, Chennai – 600 031. Phone: 044 2836 0243 Fax: 044 2836 1887 E-Mail: TSUNAMI RELIEF WORK BY SEVA BHARATHI - TAMILNADU 28.12.2004 Chennai, Dec 28: Nagapattinam district is the worst affected in the tsunami attack on the Tamilnadu coast. Approximately 4000 lives have been lost in the district. The Vibhag Pracharak of Nagapattinam Sri. P.M. Nagaraj and Prantha Seva Pramukh Sri. Parameswaran are leading the rescue and relief operations. THEY REMOVE DEAD BODIES More than 500 Swayamsevaks are engaged in this task. So far the administration has removed 2000 dead bodies. The Swayamsevaks have removed 805 dead bodies. Swayamsevaks from Coimbatore, Madurai, Trichy, Ambur, Salem and Erode have also rushed to Nagapatttinam to render assistance. RSS AMBULANCES RUSH HELP Two ambulances one each from Salem and Coimbatore are used in Nagapattinam for the rescue and relief operations. Assistance in the form of rice, dhal, clothes, and medicines from all parts of the state are pouring into the district. DARING RSS MEN, DARLINGS OF THE PUBLIC In the Kolachal area of Kanyakumari district more than 200 Swayamsevaks are engaged in the relief works. So far 96 bodies have been recovered from that place. Seeing the excellent work being done by the Swayamsevaks, the members of the Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam from the Melapalayam area of the Coimbatore attacked them thus preventing them from extending the relief. To avoid controversy at this sad moment, the Swayamsevaks have withdrawn from the place. But the local people have expressed the desire that only the Swayamsevaks have to carry on the relief work. Many members of the Christian community also expressed similar sentiments. Govt. officials contacted Seva Bharathi members and requested them to participate in the rescue and relief work. TRAINING THE SOCIETY IN SEVA At Kolachal a joint effort with The Ramakrishna Mission has been undertaken to distribute vessels for cooking. A Medical camp is being organised by Dr. Srinivasa Kannan, Nagar Sangachalak , and Dr..Deiva Prakasam, District Seva Bharathi president of Nagarkoil. So far 5 such camps have been conducted. The seven day camps of RSS are currently going on in various places in Tamilnadu. The Swayamsevaks who were at Vandavasi camp collected money for the relief work going door to door. With a view to render relief assistance at the affected areas the Swayamsevaks are conducting surveys. One of the Villages badly affected in Kanyakumari district is Pallam. RSS Swayamsevaks are actively engaged in relief work there. This village has a predominant CSI Christian Community. They lamented that no Christian had come forward to help them. FIRST ON SPOT IN FAR-FLUNG AREAS Compared to other districts in Tamilnadu the damages suffered by Chennai city is on a lesser scale. But Media and NGOs are concentrating only on Chennai. Therefore RSS Swayamsevaks are engaged in relief work in areas like Pazhaverkadu and Kovalam near the city. REPORTED DEATHS ALONG TAMILNADU COAST Chennai 150 Kanchipuram 81 Tiruvallur 12 Villupuram 35 Cuddalore 410 Nagapattinam 3000 Kanyakumari 1000 A survey is being conducted in the coastal belt to assess the extent of damage and the areas which need rehabilitation work. In a statement Samyukta Prant Sangachalak Shri R.V.S. Marimuthu has indicated that resources are required for these immediate purposesI 1) Repairing of damaged fishing boats 2) Buying fishing nets 3) Subsidising diesel supply to the mechanized fishing boat owners We appeal to the general public to co-operate by giving their donations at the earliest in the name of: SEVA BHARATHI TAMILNADU (EARTH QUAKE RELIEF A/C) (Income Tax exempted under section 80G) 'Shakti' No.1, M.V.Naidu Street, Chetput, Chenai 600 031. Phone No. 044 - 2836 0243, 2836 1049 e.mail: &

Posted by: Kumar Dec 28 2004, 05:41 PM

Should we just make the check out and mail to: Indian Red Cross Society, 1, Red Cross Road, New Delhi - 110001 ?????????????

Posted by: Sunder Dec 28 2004, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (Kumar @ Dec 29 2004, 06:11 AM)
Should we just make the check out and mail to: Indian Red Cross Society, 1, Red Cross Road, New Delhi - 110001 ?????????????
No. International Red Cross already has funds from Abroad that it does not have to beg from within. There are other budding charities (that REALLY work) like RSS for instance - that Rajesh posted. Or as Subramaniam ji posted. Whlie In India I had written a cheque to Kamakoti Peetam. Now too we shall be giving to the Kanchi Matam.

Posted by: Kumar Dec 28 2004, 07:33 PM

Sending the check made out to: ‘SEVA BHARTI TAMILNADU’ Shakti, 1 M.V.Street Panchavati , Chet Put Chennai –600031 Ph- 044 28360243 28361049 I pray to God to give us all strenght to deal with this tragedy.

Posted by: LSrini Dec 28 2004, 07:56 PM

Can you believe this guy????? It seems they did not have phone numbers

USGS: Warnings could have saved thousands By Reuters U.S. researchers who detected a massive earthquake off Asia's coast on Saturday tried frantically to warn that the deadly wall of water was coming, the head of the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center said Sunday. But there was no official alert system in the region because such catastrophes only happen there about once every 700 years, said Charles McCreery, director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's center in Honolulu. "We tried to do what we could," McCreery said. "We don't have contacts in our address book for anybody in that part of the world." Within moments of detecting the 9-magnitude quake, McCreery and his staff were on the phone to Australia, then to U.S. Naval officials, various U.S. embassies and finally the U.S. State Department. They were unable to reach the thousands in the countries most severely affected--including India, Thailand, Indonesia and Sri Lanka--because none had a tsunami warning mechanism or tidal gauges to alert people, he said. Rescue workers continued searching for bodies Monday after the world's biggest earthquake in 40 years, off the Indonesian island of Sumatra, triggered a wall of water up to 33 feet high that fanned out across the Bay of Bengal. The waves flattened houses, hurled fishing boats onto roads, sent cars spinning through swirling waters into hotel lobbies, and sucked sunbathers, babies and fishermen out to sea. The death toll has surpassed 22,000. "We actually issued a bulletin about the quake but it only went to the countries in the Pacific...that subscribe...and that would include Australia and Indonesia," McCreery said. Because of the lack of monitoring mechanisms, U.S. officials had no access to government or scientific information in the areas affected by the latest tsunamis and were relying on more general information. A warning center such as those used around the Pacific could have saved thousands of lives, Waverly Person of the U.S. Geological Survey's National Earthquake Information Center, told Reuters. "Most of those people could have been saved if they had had a tsunami warning system in place or tide gauges," he said. "And I think this will be a lesson to them," he said, referring to the governments of the devastated countries. Person also said that because large tsunamis, or seismic sea waves, are extremely rare in the Indian Ocean, people were never taught to flee inland after they felt the tremors of an earthquake. Tsunami warning systems and tide gauges exist around the Pacific Ocean, for the Pacific Rim as well as South America. The United States has such warning centers in Hawaii and Alaska operated by the U.S. Geological Survey and NOAA. But none of these monitors the Indian Ocean region, McCreery said. It takes a substantial investment and long-term commitment to set up a 24-hour communications infrastructure, operational capabilities and specialized training, he added, declining to estimate the cost. In addition, U.S. seismologists said it was unlikely the Indian Ocean region would be hit any time soon by a similarly devastating tsunami because it takes an enormously strong earthquake to generate one. But Person said governments should instruct people living along the coast to move after detecting a quake. Since a tsunami is generated at the source of an underwater earthquake, there is usually time--from 20 minutes to two hours--to get people away as it builds in the ocean. A major tsunami, a Japanese word meaning "harbor wave," occurs in the Pacific Ocean about once a decade. It is generated by vertical movement during an earthquake and sometimes incorrectly referred to as a tidal wave, according to the Web site of the U.S. National Geophysical Data Center. U.S. officials are now trying to help officials in the region set up some sort of informal warning system and feeling badly that more couldn't have been done, McCreery said. "It took an hour and a half for the wave to get from the earthquake to Sri Lanka and an hour for it to the west coast of Thailand and Malaysia," he said. "You can walk inland for 15 minutes to get to a safe area." Story Copyright © 2004 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 28 2004, 08:49 PM

This is for an earlier earthquake.. Did Venkatanathan predict this one ? Some googling required.. unsure.gif

CHENNAI: Ten days ago, when N Venkatanathan, a young research scholar in the Department of Applied Geology at the Madras University, told an international audience at Hyderabad that an earthquake would hit Assam by mid-December, many were sceptical. But on Monday, with the prediction coming true, the sceptics are eating their words while Venkatanathan is on cloud nine. So are his guides N Rajeswara Rao, professor Krishan Kant Sharma and head of the department of Applied Geology P Periakali, who had collectively predicted quakes in Assam, Mexico, Bandana Sea, Japan, Solomon Islands and seven other places. The team had studied the planetary configuration and concluded that there was a probability of an earthquake with a magnitude of five or six on the Richter scale in Assam on December 12 (See this website's report dated December 5, 2004). The quake might occur with its epicentre located at 26.91 degrees North latitude and 94.49 degrees East longitude with an error of three days before or after December 12, it had said. On December 9, a quake measuring 5.4 on the Richter scale did hit Assam along the Indo-Bangladesh border region with a variation of about two degrees on the longitude. The prediction for Mexico was even closer. An earthquake occurred in Offshore Oaxaca, Mexico, exactly on December 10 with a less than one degree variation in longitude. The quakes have been documented by the United States Geological Survey Department. The team had initially started research on constructing quake-proof buildings in the wake of the devastating earthquake in Bhuj three years ago. However, the focus shifted to prediction. ‘‘We studied the data of all earthquakes measuring above six on the Richter scale spanning 100 years. We found that in 99.99 percent of the cases, two or more planets were aligned in line (zero to 180 degrees) with the earth on the days when the earthquakes had occurred. Based on this coincidence, we predicted quakes for a period of six to eight months with a 60 to 70 percent success rate. Finally, we made the December 4 prediction with a higher degree of success,’’ says a proud Venkatanathan, who had quit his job as a physics teacher in a school to take up this research without any stipend. Periakali said, ‘‘Our study has revealed that the planetary forces act as a triggering mechanism for the quake. With the angular momentum, the total force acts at the epicentre in the opposite direction to the rotation of the earth.’’ Sometimes the force created is not sufficient to create a quake. So we give a plus or minus of three days. ‘‘In this case we had predicted that the quake could occur between December 9 and 15,’’ says Sharma. It was not an easy job for the team to come thus far. ‘‘In India, past quakes have not been well documented. We had to depend on NASA or the UG Geological Survey for our research,’’ says Rao. Adequate seismographic equipment, too, are not available in the country and the funding mechanism is weak. ‘‘I had carried out the research by spending my own money. Even to present a paper in Germany I had to foot the expenses,’’ says Venkatanathan. As early as October 2001, the varsity had presented a proposal to establish a Centre for Earthquake and Natural Hazard Studies in Tamil Nadu to the State Government. But the proposal was yet to be cleared. In the absence of this, continuous monitoring of earthquakes is simply not possible, the academics say. The Madras varsity team had forecast the quake in Assam 10 days in advance.

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 28 2004, 08:55 PM

Chennai, Dec. 26: As India mourned, a group of people at Madras University’s Applied Geology department could barely hide their glee. December 26, Sumatra, 03.54 degrees latitude and 097.17 degrees longitude — a team of seismologists led by Dr N. Rajeshwara Rao and N. Venkatanathan had predicted. The forecast was near perfect. Flaunting the relevant information downloaded from the site of the World Data Center for Seismology, Denver, Venkatanathan said the data put out by the US Geological Survey read: “December 26, 2004, off the West Coast of Northern Sumatra, 03.298 degrees latitude and 095.779 degrees longitude.” “We had predicted the earthquake in Sumatra as occurring at 6 am this morning, but it happened there at 6.29 am. And there was a 150 km difference in the distance from where we had predicted,” added Venkatanathan, whose recent prediction about an earthquake had kept most of Jorhat, Assam, on the roads early this month. He said their earthquake prediction model could be fine-tuned if there was more actual data on the physical characteristics of an area from remote sensing satellite maps. They went wide off the mark when it came to the magnitude of the quake. They didn’t expect the Sumatra tremors to be stronger that 7 on the Richter scale, but they were recorded at 8.9. Therefore, the tremors were felt as far as Chennai, some 1,700 km away, “disturbing the total tectonic setting”, said Venkatanathan. The researcher and his colleagues use a predictive model, based on the position and alignment of various planets with the earth. Four heavenly bodies — Mercury, Venus, Sun and Moon — had aligned with the Earth today, he said. As the researchers rejoiced, some are speaking of celestial retribution. One contention going around is that the Gods are angry that the Kanchi seer has been jailed.

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 28 2004, 08:58 PM

Chennai, Dec. 14: Patterns in the distant skies do have a link with tumults deep down in earth. In the wake of the confusion over the recent quake alert in Upper Assam, researchers in Madras University’s department of applied geology today said planetary configurations could be “definitive means of earthquake prediction”. The researchers, led by N. Rajeshwar Rao and N. Venkatanathan, claimed that based on planetary alignments, tremors could be predicted “with fair accuracy” at least a month in advance. It was Venkatanathan’s paper on this topic at a conference in Hyderabad that had triggered the alert, making thousands of Upper Assam residents camp outdoors at night two days ago. Rao and Venkatanathan today told The Telegraph that in 1974, US astrophysicist John Gribbin had explained this concept in his book The Jupiter Effect. Gribbin, they pointed out, had said that when two or more planets “aligned more or less in line with the earth”, the latter was “caught in the middle of a huge gravity struggle between the Sun and the planets, especially the giant planet, Jupiter”. Three planets — Uranus, Neptune and Pluto — were not taken into consideration as they were farthest from the earth. But when other planets aligned with the earth, the stress created by that process could “change the speed of the earth in its orbit”. In such a situation, Gribbin, they said, had warned that the centre of the solar system could shift and the geological fault lines “rip open, causing earthquakes”. The researchers have downloaded a software that gives the planetary positions for any moment in a day. They are now working to determine three other key parameters — the distance of the epicentre from the planetary position, the direction of the force acting on the possible epicentre and the “angular momentum” (the little increase or decrease in the speed of the earth). After analysing earthquake data of the last 100 years — provided by the US Geological Survey — Rao and Venkatanathan said they were able to arrive at what is called a “mean triggering distance” of 626.125 km. It means that for every 626.125 km on the earth’s surface, there is a possibility of an earthquake, and they accordingly plot the hot spots on a map depending on the other parameters when planets align with the earth. Taking into account the other key factors, the researchers claimed they were able to carry forward Gribbin’s insights for a “much more accurate prediction of earthquakes”. The department of applied geology has been making and testing such quake predictions based on this method for the past eight months with a success rate of 60 to 70 per cent, Rao and Venkatanathan said. However, they added, for all the predictions, “we give an allowance of three days both ways because we do not know the structural geology of a particular area that also influences the time and intensity of the quake”. The prediction for Assam was part of a series of other predictions for the period between December 9 and 15 and the magnitude they had given was 5 to 6 on the Richter scale. The predicted date for Assam was December 12, with the possible epicentre being 100 km from Dibrugarh. But it occurred three days earlier (on December 9), 288 km from the predicted place and measured 5.4 on the Richter scale. But they pointed out that the other predictions they made for the same period, as for instance in El Salvador, the Bismarck Sea and Virgin Islands, the tremors were felt round about the same date as predicted initially. In some cases, as in Virgin Islands and Vanauti Islands (near Fiji), the quakes took place exactly on the dates (December 11 and December 10, respectively) predicted, they added.

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 03:37 AM,001301540000.htm

Thousands of corpses rotted in Indonesia's tropical sun on Wednesday as rescuers scoured isolated coasts across the Indian Ocean for survivors of Sunday's giant waves that killed more than 68,000 across the region. Many who escaped death in what was possibly the deadliest tsunami in more than 200 years now face hunger and disease. The United Nations mobilised what it called the biggest relief operation in its history. India's toll of nearly 12,500 included at least 7,000 killed on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, which are closer to Myanmar and Indonesia than to the Indian mainland. On one island, the surge of water killed two-thirds of the population. "One in every five inhabitants in the entire Nicobar group of islands is either dead, injured or missing," a police official said.

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 03:46 AM

U.S. Scientists Say Quake Movement Shifted Islands Tue Dec 28, 4:21 PM ET LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The massive earthquake that devastated parts of Asia permanently moved the tectonic plates beneath the Indian Ocean as much as 98 feet, slightly shifting islands near Sumatra an unknown distance, U.S. scientists said on Tuesday. A tsunami spawned by the 9.0-magnitude quake off the northern tip of Sumatra killed an estimated 60,000 on Sunday in Indonesia, Thailand, India, Malaysia, Sri Lanka and East Africa. Satellite images showed that the movement of undersea plates off the northern tip of Sumatra moved the Nicobar Islands and Simeulue Island out to sea by an unknown distance, U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites) geophysicist Ken Hudnut said. Although the data showed that plates more than 12 miles beneath the ocean's surface moved dramatically, scientists will have to use handheld satellite positioning systems at the sites to learn precisely how much the land masses on the surface shifted, Hudnut said. The USGS (news - web sites) team in Pasadena, California, also was studying more detailed satellite images on Tuesday to determine if the scraping of one plate over another plowed up enough debris on the ocean floor to block the port of Banda Aceh in Sumatra where international aid was headed. Large earthquakes in the last decade in Kobe, Japan, and Golcuk, Turkey, deformed the coastlines and rendered their ports inoperable after the crises, Hudnut said. The scientists have asked for cooperation from operators of commercial satellites that can provide high-resolution images to show the extent of damage to coastlines, he said.

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 04:05 AM

Czech supermodel Petra Nemcova clung to a palm tree for eight hours in the devastated Thai resort of Khao Lak after being hit by a wall of water in Sunday's deadly tidal waves, her publicist in New York said. Her British boyfriend, fashion photographer Simon Atlee, is missing. "People were screaming and kids were screaming all over the place,screaming 'help, help'. And after a few minutes you didn't hear the kids any more," Nemcova told The New York Daily News from her hospital bed in Thailand. Killer wave hits Asia "There were so many people with horrible injuries, with blood everywhere. It was like a war movie," she said. The 25-year-old, who has graced the front cover of Sports Illustrated's special swimsuit issue and also modeled Victoria's Secret lingerie line, suffered a broken pelvis and internal injuries. There was no lucky escape for Bhumi Jensen, the 21-year-old grandson of Thai King Bhumibol Adulyadej who was killed at the same popular resort area when the waves struck. "It's a national tragedy," said a grim-faced Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. The monarchy is revered in Thailand. Bhumi is the son of Princess Ubolratana and her estranged American husband Peter Jensen. He was holidaying with his mother at the time but she was safe. British actor and film director Richard Attenborough was also in mourning after the death of his grandaughter in the Thai catastrophe. Lucy was among a family group staying on Phuket island, said Diana Hawkins, a colleague and friend of the Attenborough family. Attenborough's eldest daughter Jane is missing, as is her mother-in-law, Jane Holland. "Lord (Richard) Attenborough and his wife, Sheila, have lost three members of their immediate family in the tidal wave disaster that hit the beaches of Thailand on Boxing Day morning," said a statement from Hawkins. The 81-year-old is one of the most successful actors and directors Britain has ever produced, finding fame appearing in films such as "Brighton Rock" and "The Great Escape".

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 04:27 AM NEW DELHI: An enormous anthropological disaster is in the making. The killer tsunami is feared to have wiped out entire tribes — already threatened by their precariously small numbers — perhaps rendering them extinct and snapping the slender tie with a lost generation. Officials involved in rescue operations are pessimistic, but still keeping their fingers crossed for the Sentinelese and Nicobarese, the two tribes seen as bearing the brunt of the killer wave. The bigger fear is for the Sentinelese, anthropologically the most important tribe, living on the flat North Sentinel Island. Putting their population at about 100, officials say no body count is possible as the tribe had remained isolated. The Nicobarese, numbering about 25,000, are also feared to have suffered major losses, if not near -extinction. Clustered in 12 villages along the coast of Car Nicobar, the worst affected, it is feared nearly half of them could have been engulfed by the giant wave. Then there are the Chowra and Teresa islands, mostly inhabited by the Nicobarese. Chowra has reported 38 deaths from a total population of 1,500. Here, too, the picture is hazy. The Onges, living on the Little Andaman island, are expected to fare a little better. So far, 14 deaths have been reported from the island. Some of these would be Onges. To begin with, they just number a 100. The Shompens, Great Andamanese and Jarawas are expected to have fared better as they live on comparatively higher grounds. But their small number could be working against them.

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 04:31 AM

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 04:34 AM

WASHINGTON - The tsunamis that claimed thousands of lives across the Indian Ocean are the deadliest great waves in more than a century and probably in modern history. More than 36,000 people were killed by tsunamis following the explosion of the volcano Krakatau in the Sunda Strait near Java on Aug. 27, 1883. Many estimates of the number killed in that disaster were even higher. The toll from Sunday's tsunamis has now topped 60,000 deaths in 11 nations. Following the 1883 eruption, waves estimated as high as 90 feet slammed ashore on nearby islands, wiping out coastal communities in what is now Indonesia. They had been the deadliest tsunamis of modern times until now. The earliest description of a tsunami-type wave comes from 479 B.C. in the northern part of the Aegean Sea. Similar waves have been reported worldwide, though they are more common in the Pacific, with its earthquake-prone perimeter. Many historians believe the explosive eruption of Santorini in the Aegean Sea in 1500 B.C. caused a tsunami that brought widespread devastation to the eastern Mediterranean and Crete. Thousands of coastal residents in Spain, Portugal and North Africa were killed by waves spawned by an earthquake at Lisbon, Portugal, in 1755. Over the centuries, Japan has been the land most plagued by tsunamis, with at least 66,000 deaths recorded there since A.D. 684. Among the deadliest tsunamis was one that struck Honshu, Japan, in 1896, killing an estimated 27,000. Many coastal residents were in the streets celebrating a holiday when the wave struck. The next day, fishermen returning home found a scene of devastation, strewn with bodies and ruined homes for miles. Indonesia has seen more than 50,000 deaths in more than 30 destructive tsunamis over the centuries — not including the most recent disaster. On April 1, 1946, a Pacific-wide tsunami was generated by a magnitude 7.8 earthquake near Unimak Island in Alaska's Aleutian Island chain. A huge wave destroyed the U.S. Coast Guard (news - web sites)'s Scotch Cap lighthouse on Unimak, killing all five of its occupants. The lighthouse was a steel-reinforced concrete structure standing about 90 feet above sea level. That tsunami reached the Hawaiian Islands about five hours later, obliterating Hilo's waterfront and killing 159 people. Altogether, 165 people died, including children attending school at Hawaii's Laupahoehoe Point, where waves reaching up to 25 feet struck. As a result of this wave, two years later the United States established a Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Hawaii. Other notable tsunamis have included: _Aug. 16, 1976: A tsunami generated by a quake on Mindinao in the Philippines killed between 5,000 and 8,000 people in the Moro Gulf region. _March 28, 1964: A magnitude 8.4 quake in Alaska generated tsunamis that caused damage in southeastern Alaska, in Vancouver Island, British Columbia, and in the states of Washington, California and Hawaii. More than 120 died. Hardest hit was Crescent City, Calif., where waves reaching as much as 20 feet destroyed half of the waterfront business district. Eleven people lost their lives there. There was extensive damage in San Francisco Bay and at the marinas in Marin County and at the Noyo, Los Angeles and Long Beach harbors. _May 22, 1960: The largest earthquake — magnitude 8.6 — of the 20th century occurred off the coast of south central Chile. It generated a Pacific-wide tsunami, which was destructive locally in Chile and throughout the Pacific Ocean. The tsunami killed an estimated 2,300 people in Chile. Waves damaged the waterfront in Hilo, Hawaii, and killed 61 people. _Nov. 4, 1952: A strong earthquake off the coast of Russia's Kamchatka Peninsula generated a great, destructive Pacific-wide tsunami. Its waves struck the Kamchatka Peninsula, the Kuril Islands and other areas of Russia's Far East, causing considerable damage and loss of life. There was also damage in Hawaii, Peru and Chile. _Jan. 31, 1906: A strong tsunami struck the coast of Ecuador and Colombia, submerging half of Tumaco, Colombia, and washing away half of a nearby island. The death toll has been estimated at between 500 and 1,500. _Aug. 13, 1868: A massive wave struck Chile, carrying ships as far as three miles inland at Arica. Deaths totaled 25,000 or more. _April 2, 1868: A locally generated tsunami swept over the tops of palm trees and claimed 81 lives in Hawaii.

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 04:46 AM

Satellite images showed that the movement of undersea plates off the northern tip of Sumatra moved the Nicobar Islands and Simeulue Island out to sea by an unknown distance, U.S. Geological Survey geophysicist Ken Hudnut said
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Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 04:50 AM

Faye Wachs said she was impressed by the efforts of the Thai government and the International Committee for the Red Cross, but "she was appalled at the treatment they got" from the U.S. government, her mother said. At the airport in Bangkok, other governments had set up booths to greet nationals who had been affected and to help repatriate them, she said. That was not the case with the U.S. government, Wachs told her mother. It took the couple three hours, she said, to find the officials from the American consulate, who were in the VIP lounge. Because they had lost all their possessions, including their documentation, they had to have new passports issued. But the U.S. officials demanded payment to take the passport pictures, Helen Wachs said. The couple had managed to hold on to their ATM card, so they paid for the photos and helped other Americans who did not have any money get their pictures taken and buy food, Helen Wachs said. "She was really very surprised" that the government did so little to ease their ordeal, she said.

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 05:06 AM

Seismologists of the US Geological Survey and other institutes like Caltech, have said that this earthquake was due to a pressure built for 2 centuries and did not find a release. This pressure was released in a megathrust on 26th December, 2004 in a magnitude of 9 Richter. Even the aftershocks were over 7 Richter. The energy released was so great, that the island of Sumatra was shifted by 120 ft. Other small islands in the vicinity were also shifted by 20-30 mts. at least. The geography of Sumatra has changed considerably. The capitol has sunk below sea level. The western coast has sunk and the north western tip has shifted by 36 mts. The energy made the earth wobble in its axis and affected the rotation of the earth, thereby making the days shorter permanently by one ten thousandth second! Seismologists say that the earth vibrated during the quake and 'rung like a bell'. The tsunami created was so great that it spilled over to the Pacific and Mexico, New Zealand and Chile saw huge wave upto 8 ft. in height.

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 29 2004, 09:36 AM

The tsunamis that lashed the eastern and southern coastal areas of the country on Sunday have so far left about 7,000 dead in Tamil Nadu and Pondicherry. The toll is expected to rise. In Nagapattinam, the worst affected district, 4,900 bodies – 2,400 in Nagapattinam town, 1,500 in Velankanni and 1,000 in other places - have been buried so far, Thanjavur Red Cross District Secretary Raj Manohar told PTI. In Cuddalore, 500 deaths were reported, while at Kalpakkam the toll was put at 100. In Pondicherry, 500, including 400 at Karaikal, were said to be dead. Kanyakumari accounted for 800 deaths, while in Chennai the tsunamis claimed 200 lives. Meanwhile, the Tamil Nadu administration on Wednesday stepped up efforts to prevent outbreak of epidemic and speed up rehabilitation work In Nagapattinam, the Red Cross and health department authorities have started inoculating people as a preventive measure. Over 500 have been admitted to 3 government hospitals in the district, a report said. Medical teams are working round-the-clock to provide relief in the affected areas. The Indian Army, Navy and Air Force personnel are also lending a helping hand. Reports from Kanyakumari, Cuddalore and Nagapattinam said volunteers belonging to various organisations, including the Red Cross and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, were helping the administration in relief and rescue work.

Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 29 2004, 09:39 AM

Nagapattinam(TN), Dec 29. (PTI):Over 4900 bodies have been buried so far by Red Cross volunteers in the district which bore the brunt of Tsunami disaster, according to an official of the Thanjavur chapter of the Red Cross (RC). The buried included 2400 from Nagapattinam, 1500 from Velankanni and 1000 from other parts of the district, RC Thanjavur district secretary Raj Manohar told PTI. The toll was likely to go up as more bodies had been sighted in some places in the district, which was badly affected due to the December 26 Tsunami, he said. Thirty medical teams from Karnataka and Tamil Nadu were working round-the-clock to provide relief to the affected. Over 500 injured persons had been admitted to Nagapattinam, Thanjavur and Tiruvarur government hospitals, he said. The Red Cross, with the help of RSS volunteers, has undertaken mass burials all over the district. Even bodies which could not be identified had been buired as they were highly decomposed, he said. The entire coastal belt from Nagore to Velankanni, in which 14 fishermen hamlets were located, had been washed away due to the tidal waves, he said. The RC, together with the health authorities, would launch a massive anti-cholera inoculation programme from today in the district.Corporate houses like BHEL and Hyundai were supplying medicines to government authorities, he said.

Posted by: k.ram Dec 29 2004, 10:20 AM

Swedish newspaper: Tsunami warning was stopped Source - Expressen (Swedish online newspaper) Date - Dec. 28 Translated by: CLiss "Tsunami warning was stopped" Just minutes after the earthquake in the Indian Ocean on Sunday morning, Thailand's foremost meterological experts were sitting together in a crisis meeting. But they decided not to warn about the tsunami "out of courtesy to the tourist industry", write the Thailand daily newspaper The Nation. The experts got the news around 8:00 am on Sunday morning local time. An hour later, the first massive wave struck. But the experts started to discuss the economic impacts when they were discussing if a tsunami warning should be made. The main argument against such a warning was that there have not been any floods in 300 years. Also, the experts believed the Indonesian island Sumatra would be a "cushion" for the southern coast of Thailand. The experts also had bad information; they thought the tremor was 8.1. A similar earthquake occurred in the same area in 2002 with no flooding at all. We finally decided not to do anything because the tourist season was in full swing. The hotels were 100% booked full. What if we issued a warning, which would have led to an evacuation, and nothing had happened. What would be the outcome? The tourist industry would be immediately hurt. Our department would not be able to endure a lawsuit... - - - - - My only comment here would be that if these experts believed they would hurt the tourist industry by calling out an alarm and it turned out to be false, what do they think will happen to the tourist industry now? Posted by cliss on Tue Dec-28-04 03:41 PM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Money trumps all concerns. Posted by RandomKoolzip on Tue Dec-28-04 03:44 PM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MORE DISCUSSION HERE: Or, um=102&topic_id=1104420

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Posted by: Sunder Dec 29 2004, 12:25 PM

I am currently spearheading a fundraising drive in my locality for the Tsunami Victims. The Presidents and Executive boards of the local Marathi Mandal, Gujarati Samaj, South Indian Association are all ready to pool funds to send to an organization that is effective. (I had mentioned Aimforseva and Seva Bharathi.) There is an immediate need for me to answer the following questions. The issues/concerns that need to be addressed: 1) Credibility of the Organization. 2) Their Administration costs. 3) Accountability-How can we be sure the funds reach the intended beneficiaries/destination. 4) Logisticsof remitting funds. 5) Tax benefits if any that can be claimed by donors (esp with respect to Canada.) Please post it on the website (so others can benefit, or email me at purohit at hotmail.) thanks, Sunder. PS: The local fundraising committee has already seen the website ( and noted that R.Venkatraman happens to be the Chairman. The ' Chatralaya ' project also was commended to be quite a laudable idea/project.

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Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 29 2004, 01:20 PM

I know IDRF has zero overhead costs or anyways less than 2% ' Many of the popular psec charities have 30% overhead cost In canada, Chinmaya Halton has canadian tax-exempt status Further they are affiliated with CIDA CIDA = Canada International development Association ' a govt of canada undertaking CIDA matches $2 extra for each $1 that Chinmaya Halton raises Chinmaya Mission Halton Chinmaya Mission Halton Region 206 Locke Street South Hamilton, ON L8P 4B4 Phone: 905 570-0440 Fax: 905 570-0545 Chinmaya Tsunami appeal India - Please send contributions to: Central Chinmaya Mission Trust Saki Vihar Road Mumbai 400 072 INDIA Ph: +91-22 2857 2367 / 2828 / 5806 E-mail: Sri Lanka – please send contributions to: Chinmaya Mission of Sri Lanka R/F 48 Haig Road, Colombo 04, SRI LANKA Ph: +94-11-2591344 E-mail: Contributions can be made directly to the bank account. A/c No: 1150047966, Hatton National Bank, No. 293 Gale Road, Colombo 03. Swift Code: HB LI LK LX At Aimforseva the main co-ordinator is Janet Falk who is a very accessible person Phone number on website

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 29 2004, 01:29 PM Run by Mata Amritanandamayi Ammachi ( the hugging saint )

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 29 2004, 01:37 PM

Bharat Sevashram Sangha a poorer and more active copy of RK mission, around for 80 years has issued a tsunami appeal CANADA TORONTO Swami Bhajanananda Pranav H.M.C.Centre, 102 Rivalda Road, TORONTO,ONT, M9M 2M8 416-6635472 CANADA Ontario Swami Pushkarananda 2107,Codlin Crescent Rexdale Ont M9W 5K7 416-7980479

Posted by: subhendu Dec 29 2004, 01:46 PM

If one has been to Puri, Orissa, or has read about the history of the area and Lord Jaggernath (and this was on the syllabus in the 1950s/1960s) not sure what they teach today - it is recorded about how the sea came onto the land to take everything, but the people were saved due to divine intervention. Was this a Tsumani of 700 years ago? I am happy to report that nothing has happened in Puri or to the Jaggernath Temple.

Posted by: Sudhir Dec 29 2004, 02:06 PM

Posted by: Sunder Dec 29 2004, 02:12 PM

Thanks a Lot G.S. I sent a mail to the Company I work for and the response is overwhelming.. The HR too supports. Every ounce counts now. thanks for the info again.

Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2004, 03:16 PM,001301540000.htm

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 29 2004, 03:36 PM

1500 killed in front of Velankanni church ( a major conversion center ) Disaster came calling at shrine door M.R.VENKATESH People arrive for evening prayers at the Velankanni church on Tuesday. (AFP) Velankanni, Dec. 29: The killer waves spared the 17th century “minor basilica” to the Lady of Health at Velankanni but not the faithful who had turned up at its door on Sunday. It was a day after Christmas and they had come in thousands from across India to the multi-cultural pilgrim centre, about 10 km from Nagapattinam, the worst-hit district in Tamil Nadu. “Curling dark waves up to 30 ft high came from nowhere between 9.15 and 9.30 in the morning,” said Santhanaraj, owner of a small shop on the beach road leading to the shrine. About 1,000-1,500 pilgrims were on the shore at the time along with their relatives, and within minutes “nobody could be seen”. The pilgrims, usually after a tonsure, “are given small plastic buckets to help themselves with a dip in the nearby sea”, explained Santhanaraj. But “none who went with the buckets to the beach that day came back”. The tonsure centre, hotels and tourist spots are all deserted today, with the surviving pilgrims having fled in fear of recurring tsunamis. The hair tonsured on Sunday is the only evidence of the pilgrim rush. Close to the tonsure centre, bulldozers and other heavy earth-moving equipment worked incessantly to clear the silted debris to recover bodies. At work were personnel from the Tamil Nadu Special Task Force, which till a few months ago was chasing forest brigand Veerappan. Jyothi, from Vellore district, ran around asking if anybody had seen her 26-year-old son J. Raja and pleading with them to “wire her” if they did. Beating her chest, she showed the last picture of Raja taken by his friend by the seashore. The photograph shows Raja walking towards the waves for a holy dip; then he could not be seen, cries his friend. Behind Jyothi lay the bodies of two children, who were fished out from a ruined house. They were placed in a tractor nearby. “There is very little help from the government. It is the church and its volunteers that are doing most of the rescue and relief work,” said John Bhaskar, a boatman and part of the Catholic Youth League that is assisting in the rehabilitation here. “Two days before the tragedy,” he said, “there was a strong gust of wind in the same direction that the tsunami took. It was eerie and I thought some evil was near, but no one believed me.” Robinson, also of the youth league, said that on the first day “we did not even have proper rubber gloves to remove the bodies”. CPI state secretary R. Nallakannu then “sent us 200 pairs of gloves”, he added.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 29 2004, 05:35 PM

Sri Ramakrishna Math, Chennai site for making contributions

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 29 2004, 05:36 PM

Run by Sri Lankan Hindus AMERICAN HINDU ASSOCIATION Dec 2004 Tidal Waves Victims P.O.Box 55405 Madison WI 53705

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 29 2004, 05:42 PM

Appeal from Urgent Relief Needed for Tamil Nadu Tsunami and Earthquake Victims [Instructionsfordonatingbelow;alldonationsare501©3taxdeductable.] Dear friends and devotees, Jaya Sri Rama. Please accept my humble pranams. We are all very saddened about the terrible devastation that has fallen on our brothers and sisters in South India and other parts of the world. In response to the recent tsunami, the Bhaktivedanta Ashram is arranging a team of volunteers in Tamil Nadu to begin relief work to help the victims. Relief activities are expected to begin on Thursday, December 30th. Within several days an additional team of volunteers from our Orissa ashram will join them to provide further relief supplies including basic necessities for children and their families. Due to the long term effects of this disaster, the Bhaktivedanta Ashram plans to open a permanent relief center in Chennai so that relief activities can continue even after the immediate media attention dies down. With our past experience of the Orissa cyclone in 1999 we know that such disasters lead to long term difficulties for the victims that continue even after the relief organizations leave. With that in mind we are planning to maintain our relief center in Tamil Nadu permanently so that we can continue caring for those in need, especially the children who are affected by this disaster. Reports indicate that the death toll in India has reached over 12,500 so far, with children accounting for up to a third of all the dead. Health reports state that the spread of disease could kill as many people in the coming weeks. In such a situation with millions of displaced people suffering in need of food and clothing it seems an impossible task, but we should not let this discourage us. Let every one of us help in whatever little way we can. We humbly request all those with sufficient means to donate towards the tsunami relief work in Tamil Nadu. To donate by credit card you may visit our website and enter your donation through our secure server: Donations may also by sent by check made payable to "Bhaktivedanta International Charities" with the words 'Tamil Nadu Relief' in the memo field: Bhaktivedanta International Charities P.O.Box 34153 Los Angeles, CA 90034 United States of America I would like to again thank all of our friends and donors who have contributed towards our projects in the past and request everyone to offer whatever service they can, regardless of how small, to help this urgent cause. Yours in service, Jahnava Nitai Das, Bhaktivedanta Ashram & Bhaktivedanta International Charities

Posted by: Mudy Dec 30 2004, 08:08 AM's~last~active~volcano~in~Andamans

People have been evacuated from Barren Island since the eruption began on Tuesday night and there were no reports of injury. Lava was flowing out of the rim of the crater which towers above the Indian Ocean some 500 metres (yards) away, the sources said.Killer wave hits Asia Tourists used to visit by boat and the island has a police station. The volcano, known as Barren 1, is located some 135 kilometres (80 miles)northeast of the capital Port Blair, and last erupted in 1996. It runs about 150 fathoms deep under the sea and usually gives off smoke. M.M. Mukherjee of the Geological Survey of India told AFP the volcano presents little real danger. "The risk is minimised because it is surrounded by the sea so if at all there is a lava flow it will roll off into the sea," he said

Posted by: k.ram Dec 30 2004, 09:06 AM

fyi... **************************** Please Circulate Widely **************************** Namaste, Hindu Students Council will be assisting in the recovery efforts in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and India following Sunday's devastation in Asia. The devastating earthquakes and Tsunami has killed more than 60,000 people and is leaving thousands more homeless. This is the worst disaster to hit the region in the past four decades. On Sunday, an initial earthquake struck 100 miles off the coast of Indonesia's Sumatra Island, measuring 9.0 in magnitude on the Richter scale, and a series of powerful earthquakes that followed. The undersea quakes triggered enormous tidal waves which swept across the Indian Ocean, striking the coastal regions of Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, Burma, Thailand and Malaysia. The Tsunami swept across the low-lying islands that make up the Maldives in addition. Understanding the seriousness of the situation, HSC has launched immediate disaster funding for the relief efforts in the affected areas. In this time of crisis, we are appealing to all to help the victims of the tsunami by donating through our HSC's seva branch NetSEVA, HSC is working with our affiliated organizations, the All India Movement for Seva (AIM for Seva) in association with Arsha Vidya Gurukulam and the International Association for Human Values (IAHV) in association with the Art of Living Foundation, to support various relief efforts. We are appealing to all members of HSC and the community at large to contribute generously toward these efforts in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, Burma, Thailand and Malaysia. Contributions can be made to either of these organizations via our seva webpage We urge that all HSC chapters get involved with in their local communities and campuses and support these relief efforts. A full recovery from this will require significant financial and material resources. Hence, HSC will continue to support and provide assistance through wide fundraising appeals for the survivors of the disaster. Our prayers go out to those that have lost their lives and those that have lost loved ones. "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" - Swami Vivekananda Sincerely, Samir Rawal President Hindu Students Council

Posted by: k.ram Dec 30 2004, 09:23 AM

Aren't they working with Sulekha too? ohmy.gif Please forward to as many people as possible. It has come as a shocking revelation that Association for India's Development (AID) is connected to Communist Party of India (Marxist). From Dear Friends, Reporting from Chennai about the Relief efforts on the Tsunami hit areas. After the initial shock and chaos, we are now quite well organized to handle the relief efforts. A number of organizations have started working together to handle the relief work - AID, TNSF, Pondicherry Science Forum, DYFI, Vidyarambam, Pratham and the PHM Organizations. We have formed a quick informal coalition to coordinate this work. As of now the state level coordination is being done from the AID-India office in Gopalapuram Chennai. -- As you can see, DYFI is listed as one of the organizations AID works with. DYFI or Democratic Youth Federation of India is the youth wing of Communist Party of India (Marxist). A quick search on the internet reveals that AID hosted a page on TNSF (mentioned in the above email) and they made it a pre-condition for libraries to be associated with an organization such as DYFI if they had to extend help. "As a policy encourage libraries only where linked to such an activity or to an active TNSF/AIDWA/DYFI/PWA group or activist." This exploitation of poor people in order to recruit them as pawns in political power play is in very poor taste. This is a sad development as AID is a US based organization. Please think twice before extending any support to AID. --

Posted by: Sudhir Dec 30 2004, 09:28 AM

QUOTE (Sudhir @ Dec 30 2004, 02:36 AM) Any connections?

Posted by: Hauma Hamiddha Dec 30 2004, 07:11 PM The unfortunate events in Asia are making way for another long term disaster. The disaster has provided a golden opportunity for the Abrahamist missionaries to infiltrate an subvert native cultures in the guise of aid. I believe this has disastrous potential for India especially given that Catholics might get a freehand under the current Italian ruler.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 30 2004, 07:31 PM

I dont think so I think they will be busy with their own flock About 40% of the dead are xtians Mostly neo-convert fishermen and Velankanni Mary devotees Andamans is 35% xtian Another 10% are muslims There is a large muslim coastal smuggling community in this area In Sri Lanka about 35% of the casualties are muslims and about 15% are xtian Plus the scale of the tragedy is so large and there is not much western aid coming Plus consider a lot of abrahamist charities in India are corrupt so even if their western masters want to proselytise, after taking care of their own victims and their internal corruption, not much will be left over We had a similar tragedy in Orissa in 1999 and the biggest field worker was not the church but the RSS

Posted by: Hauma Hamiddha Dec 30 2004, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (G.Subramaniam @ Dec 30 2004, 09:31 PM)
About 40% of the dead are xtians Mostly neo-convert fishermen and Velankanni Mary devotees
Interesting, your claim seemed to be echoed by what Rajaram's Xtian friend was claiming and some others.
Plus consider a lot of abrahamist charities in India are corrupt so even if their western masters want to proselytise, after taking care of their own victims and their internal corruption, not much will be left over
OK may be that will say the day. Anyhow, I am trying to redirect all naieve deshis whom I know to AIMseva or IDRF. If we are unified in the response we can at least stiffen the pro-Hindu groups a bit. As ever, two Brahmins girls known to me who are pro-Pakistani are trying exactly the reverse by getting people into the AID-jaal. But I guess your theory of corruption works with AID too.

Posted by: Vajramuni Dec 30 2004, 09:43 PM

I know that the mispotrayal of India in the media is true, but govt must be careful not create panic by issuing inadvertent tsunami alerts. BBC picks up this news and makes a mockery of this. Those buoys cost around $250,000, and there are only six used along the Pacific rim. Not too expensive to install, perhaps manage. India plate is pushing North, so not much energy being released into India. Perhaps the propagation of shock laterally from Australia plate to Indonesia Or from Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan area is more of a danger. Now that most energy is released not much of a tsunami threat. Who knows it may a way of Nature working its magic. Crashed unsupportable application. Waiting for the next Process-dump.

Posted by: Sunder Dec 30 2004, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (Hauma Hamiddha @ Dec 31 2004, 10:11 AM)
OK may be that will say the day. Anyhow, I am trying to redirect all naieve deshis whom I know to AIMseva or IDRF. If we are unified in the response we can at least stiffen the pro-Hindu groups a bit. As ever, two Brahmins girls known to me who are pro-Pakistani are trying exactly the reverse by getting people into the AID-jaal. But I guess your theory of corruption works with AID too.
This is EXACTLY the same spot I am in. I feel like a lone voice amidst a whole lot of utterly gullible Desis who think Red Cross, World Vision, Doctors without borders and AIDIndia are all good charities. The people I know are not pro-paki, but are high on the 'equality', 'equanimity', 'ekam sath' types.. Anyhoo, I called up Janet Falk last night, and got a reply today. Even if it is just my contributions, It will go to AIM.

Posted by: Krishna Dec 30 2004, 10:31 PM

My check went to IDRF. And I 'advised strongly' all my friends and family to donate to IDRF onlee. What I would like to request all the members, and lurkers is to donate something, even if you think it's tiny. Remember, every drop adds. Thanks!

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 30 2004, 10:33 PM

The regular western charities have an overhead of 15% Hindu charities like IDRF are 0% overhead I am not sure of the exact number for AIMForSeva but I think it is of the order of 1% The 15% overhead goes to pay for a large bureaucracy and 5 star hotels The commie charities , I cant find the URL have a 30% overhead Unfortunately psec hindus are our worst enemy I also notice that thanks to bollywood, too many hindu girls get their jeans creamed by looking at Pakistani muslims For those psec hindus suggest RK mission, or Ammachi or Sri Sri Ravishankar ( ) Hindu charities are run by motivated people who are volunteers Commie and xtian charities fund their rich directors

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 30 2004, 10:42 PM

More regarding Velankanni The official death toll is 1500 However Even on a normal day, 5000 people are in the beach waiting for a darshan of Mary Given that this was a post xmas day, the beach darshan crowd was probably 25k An eye witness saw that the whole beach was covered with bodies Possibly 10k people died there I was told that the church is purposely playing down the number of Velankanni victims Here is why The way the church operates, it says to the illiterate hindu fishermen your gods are false gods The real god is Velankanni mary who will save you from the sea Now this propoganda has been exposed as hollow As I showed Tiruchendur, Rameswaram, Kanyakumari temples all survived without a scratch > This miracle is mentioned in this Vikatan page also. > See the photo and the article: > G.S

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 30 2004, 10:51 PM

Why abrahamist charities are not a conversion worry Remember the Gujurat quakes The IDRF and other hindu groups spent 100% of the money there with 0% overhead A lot of international abrahamist groups also sent in money and goods These goods marked 'Gujurat Relief" were diverted and sold in stores as far away as kerala I already hear that there is too much relief materials and no way to distribute it Keep in mind, the devastation is limited to 1 mile of the sea So if they walk inland they can buy goods if they have money 99% of Chennai is functioning OK What is lacking is hard cash for the fishermen to buy boats etc We have had the 1977 Andhra Cyclone 1999 Orissa Cyclone, 2000 Gujurat Quake , in all these despite much more fund raising by abrahamists, RSS did a lot more actual field work

Posted by: Rajita Rajvasishth Dec 30 2004, 10:56 PM

As G.Sub states I think those girls whom HH mentioned do get kickbacks for their "social activism". They are the kind who take 10 years to do a PhD which normally takes about 4yrs in that field and claim to spend their time on this profitable social service. It allows them to organize meetings at expensive hotels with food catering in the US. Anyhow it is sad that on the ocassion of such a tragedy it has come to talking about conversion, when people need to be sent help. I believe the RSS volunteers have helped people without bothering about affiliation and personal renumeration. It is hard to find people like the RSS workers.

Posted by: Rajita Rajvasishth Dec 30 2004, 11:07 PM

I am not sure if this belongs here or to the I-P thread. A gentleman called RN Iyenger posted this piece on another forum as a Pauranic record of Tsunami (the Kalakeya demons) destroying the Vedic settlements in Gujarat. I am not personally sure if this event can be attributed to a Tsunami or some other natural disaster- like due to a storm. (The transliteration is peculiar, but I hope people can read it) ka_lakeya iti khya_ta_H trailokyoccheda-ka_raka_H | hata-sheSa_H-samudra_nte praviSTa_H bhaya-vihvala_H || tataste mantraya_ma_suH pi_Dyante devata_H katham | hanyanta_m dharmiNo yeStra vidyante dharaNi_-tale || atha te samayam kRtva_ ra_trau niSkramya sa_gara_t | nirjaghnuH ta_pasa_n tatra yajña-da_na-rata_n priye || prabha_se tu maha_devi tatra dva_dasha-yojane | vasiSThasya_shrame tatra mahaRSi_Na_m maha_tmana_m || bhakSita_ni sahasra_Ni pañca-sapta ca ta_pasa_n | shata_ni pañca raibhyasya vishva_mitrasya SoDasha || cyavanasya ca saptaiva ja_ba_lerdvishatam muneH | va_lakhilya_shrame puNye SaT-shata_nidura_tmabhiH || nihsva_dhya_ya-vaSaTka_ram bhUtalam samapadyata | (346.4,8-12,16) "Ka_lakeya demons being afraid (of ViSNu) hid in the sea. They chalked out a plan to hurt the gods by killing pious people on earth. Finding an opportunity in the night to come out of the sea, they killed those in the Prabha_sa region, for an extent of twelve yojanas. In VasiSTha-a_shrama, twelve thousand persons were eaten away. In Raibhya's place five hundred, in the hermitage of Vishva_mitra sixteen hundred, in Cyavana's place seven hundred, in Ja_bala-a_shrama two hundred and in Va_lakhilya-a_shrama six hundred people died. Due to this catastrophe, earth became devoid of Vedic learning and practices." With full sympathy for those who lost relatives in the recent tsunami event in Tamil Nadu and elsewhere.

Posted by: Vajramuni Dec 30 2004, 11:32 PM

With my little tamil is this not the meaning "Vela" ="White" , "kanni" "Goddess" meaning "White Goddess" I thought Jesus & company were asiatic. Do Arthis to Pope, do Kanakabhishekam to Pope.

Posted by: Mudy Dec 30 2004, 11:47 PM's~largest~peacetime~op

Money meant to be used for the New Year's celebrations at Rashtrapati Bhavan would be donated to the Prime Minister's Relief Fund, a top official told on Thursday. President A P J Abdul Kalam had cancelled the New Year festivities after tsunamis wrecked havoc in Andaman & Nicobar Islands, Tamil Nadu, Pondicherry, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh. On being informed of the incident on December 26, "The President immediately started monitoring the developments through the Internet and television channels. He was moved by the heartrending scenes in the affected states," S M Khan, Rashtrapati Bhavan spokesman to told

Posted by: narayanan Dec 31 2004, 03:36 AM

Wonder if anyone has figured out the overhead rate of the Prime Minister's Relief Fund. 97%?? whistle.gif

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 31 2004, 07:58 AM

Wonder if anyone has figured out the overhead rate of the Prime Minister's Relief Fund. ---- Narayan, the late Rajiv Gandhi said 85% of any govt relief money gets stolen So you can assume an overhead of 85% Even during kargil, I did not contribute to PM fund, I sent to the army fund directly G.S

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 31 2004, 08:08 AM

Translation from Telugu – Eenadu, Tamilnadu Supplementary section dated 31st December, 2004: Page 1 Nataraja Darshan saves lives of 4000 fishermen While thousads lost their lives in the Cuddalore coast to Tsunami, close to 4000 fishermen belonging to some 20 villages like Killai, Pichavaram, Kavarapattu neighboring the Chidambaram region escaped. They had left their villages to attend the annual ritual of "Arudra Darshan" at the world famous Nataraja Mandir in Chidambaram. As has been their practice for generations, they were involved in the pulling of the Mandir Car. When they returned to their villages post Tsunami, they found their entire villages ravaged beyond recognition. Sri Srinivasakumar a member of the fishermen community told us that they were saved because of the grace of Nataraja. He stated that inside the Chidambaram Mandir, they did not find any impact at all. He concluded " all of us owe our lives to Him".

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 31 2004, 08:22 AM Keeping the pride Manmohan Singh has stunned the West by refusing aid. 31 December 2004: The focus is on the United States for stingy contribution to tsunami victims, but another aid war is in the making, between India and several countries in Europe, but mainly, the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany, after prime-minister Manmohan Singh refused assistance from them. Diplomats have been seeking reasons from the government, calling one another in ire, and even helplessly buttonholed journalists to check what is going on. But through all this, the PM has remained firm not to take aid, and with good reason. India has had bad experience of taking foreign aid in the past, but it became almost grotesque during both the Gujarat earthquake and the Orissa super cyclone. In Orissa, European aid agencies instead of primarily focusing on giving relief meandered into criticising the state’s poor infrastructure, and wrote bitingly about the lack of development in the fifty years since Independence. The lack of development is not exactly a state secret, but the government did not permit the aid agencies in to present a drain inspector’s report. And a cost-benefit analysis showed it was just not worth inviting foreign aid. In the Gujarat earthquake, the Japanese were busily testing the water standards in affected areas and pronouncing it undrinkable, instead of concentrating on the primary task at hand, providing relief. These two experiences, say officials, put off the government. It was terrible to be faced with natural disasters, but it was worse to be attacked thereafter, bringing down even the good work done, in exchange for aid, which in any case turned put inadequate. There was a third experience, a little different from the first two, but revealing the colonial/ imperial mindset of Europe. In the Gujarat riots, some Dutch monuments were vandalised. There was no particular anger against the Dutch, but Indians are generally careless about heritage, and in any case, in the mad violence of the riots, protecting colonial monuments is the last thing on any government’s mind. In this case, Narendra Modi could not even secure the life of Gujaratis. Anyhow, the Dutch wrote in protest to Modi, who replied to the effect that the government had more pressing responsibilities. In Europe, the Netherlands and Belgium, small powerless countries among mighty neighbours, have for one or another reason always sided against India. Several European countries wrote their findings on the Gujarat riots, and the British report was particularly scathing against Modi. The British report got leaked first in Europe and then in the Indian media. The NDA government was furious, but the British said they had no hand in the leak. Indian agencies then traced the leak to the Dutch, rather to a Dutch public-affairs officer, who was returning Modi the favour of not protecting Dutch colonial history. Subsequently, on the basis of the British report, the European Union decided to suspend aid to India, and stung, the then PM, A.B.Vajpayee, ordered to refuse assistance from eighteen countries, most of them in Europe, but also including Australia, New Zealand and Japan. These donations were small, the PM said, and India did not need them any longer. The diplomatic community could not stomach this stinging rebuff. Soon after the UPA came to power, the government did reverse this decision, but the PM has returned to the old position. Manmohan Singh has always reflected strong national pride, as when he took determined steps as finance minister to buy back the gold pledged by the Chandrasekhar government in 1991, or when, on his own, he rebuffed Natwar Singh’s criticism of India’s weaponisation programme in South Korea, saying in Parliament that India was a nuclear weapons’ power and would remain one. But besides national pride, there are also logistical and security considerations behind his decision to say no. Officials say that the bother commences after fast-tracking visas for aid workers, because they have to be secured, they have to be provided living environments like back home, which comes at huge cost in disaster-struck areas, and the government has to place at their disposal huge logistical facilities, that hamper other, more profitable local assistance. After all this follows the routine of savaging India’s image in the Western media. But there is also a pressing security consideration. The tsunamis have hit India’s strategic assets in the Andamans, partly Orissa, and the government wants to contain any negativity following the flooding of the Kalpakkam nuclear complex. “The British are particularly notorious about carrying out espionage activities in such times of vulnerability, setting up devices, moles and sleeper teams, and fresh demands could be made to sign CTBT, NPT, etc, based on eyewitness accounts from Kalpakkam, for example,” explained an official. “You can never tell.” A new spat has broken out over India mulling over giving overflight rights over the Andamans for France, Britain and the Netherlands to evacuate their tourists. Diplomats say India is standing on false pride by refusing even emergency aid, but at the same time, these countries refuse to make cash contributions to the prime minister’s relief fund. They want to come with material relief and personnel, and India has had more than enough of them. The second spin diplomats put is that India is keen to portray an image of self-sufficiency to strengthen its claim for veto power in the UN Security Council. No one in the government carries that mindset, and certainly not the PM, who has acted alone and taken a bold step to refuse aid. In the midst of this huge spiraling tragedy, India is ironically gaining in image as no longer a Third-World country.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 31 2004, 03:48 PM

Help Sri Lankan Hindus US Tax Deductible ---- Bahe Sathasivam American Hindu Association P O Box 55405 Madison WI 53705 USA ---- I know this guy personally He is a staunch hindu Sri Lanka east coast has been hit bad and this has a large hindu population

Posted by: Mudy Jan 1 2005, 08:46 AM,001301540006.htm

Aftershocks of last week's killer quake off Sumatra are moving northwards and can potentially trigger a major earthquake in Assam, scientists in the United States have cautioned the Indian government. The scientists at the Center for Earth Observing and Space Research in George Mason University in Virginia, who have been analysing the seismic data since December 26, have found the aftershocks moving towards north along 90-degree Ridge. "If the sequence of these aftershocks moves further north then it may trigger a very big earthquake in Assam region, which is expected by the scientists since long time," Ramesh P Singh, a member of the team and Vice Chairman of the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics (IUGG) Risk Commission said.

Posted by: k.ram Jan 1 2005, 09:21 AM

Centre got wind of earthquake 1 hour before it struck Chennai coast Thursday December 30 2004 00:00 IST NEW DELHI: At 7.50 am on Black Sunday, more than one full hour before the tidal waves hit the Tamil Nadu coast, the top brass of the Indian Air Force knew that the Car Nicobar Air Base had been inundated. But it was only 41 minutes later - during which time the waves were heading west - that the first communique went out from the Indian Meteorological Department (IMD) to the Government. And the Crisis Management Group, the Government's nodal emergency response unit, met at 1 pm by when the tusnami had come, killed and gone. And guess who got this first IMD communique? It was sent at 8.54 am to the residence of Murli Manohar Joshi, former Science and Technology Minister rather than his successor Kapil Sibal. It's always easier to find faults with the benefit of hindsight - especially in an unprecedented disaster like this one - but an investigation of the sequence of events after the quake hit Sumatra at 6.29 am shows a glaring disconnect between different agencies of the Government. And highlights how precious time - that could have been used to issue warnings and maybe save some lives - was lost. Consider the sequence of events: * ``At 7.30 am, we were informed by our Chennai unit that coordinates the logistics for the Car Nicobar base about a massive earthquake near Andamans and Nicobar,'' Air Chief S Krishnaswamy told this website’s newspaper on Wednesday. ``But communication links went down in the Island Territories, the Chennai unit could only raise Car Nicobar base on the high frequency set at 7.50 am ... the last message from Car Nicobar base was that the island is sinking and there is water all over.'' * At 8.15 am, the Air Chief says, he asked his Assistant Chief of Air Staff (Operations) to alert the Defence Ministry. Now cut to the civilian establishment. * Unaware of its fax goof-up, the IMD, as per routine, sent another fax to the Disaster Control Room in the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) at 9.14 am. * Eight minutes later, Cabinet Secretary B K Chaturvedi's private secretary was also brought into the loop. * At 10.30, the director of the Control Room T. Swami informed Cabinet Secretariat officials. * By then the tsunami had hit the Chennai coastline and another earthquake measuring 7.3 struck 60 miles west of Indira Point at 9.53 am. What happened between 6.29 am and 8.56 am in the IMD is also telling: it shows how the country's premier met agency works in isolation during an unprecedented emergency. So even as IMD stations in Chennai, Vishakhapatnam and Kolkata began started receiving after-shock signals within minutes of the main earthquake, and while the rest of the world had already issued the exact epicentre of the earthquake - and the Pacific warning system had sounded a tidal wave alert - the IMD was doing its own calculations to find out the magnitude and epicentre of the earthqake. Not helping the IMD was the fact that the Andaman station in Port Blair runs on an old, analog system rather than a digital one. In other words, in the event of a large earthquake and frequent after-shocks, what it registered was a ``clipped seismograph'' - a blank sheet of paper instead of zig-zag lines. This is exactly what happened. ``For computing the exact epicentre, we need data from three stations in three directions. With Andamans out of operations, it took us longer than expected,'' explained the duty officer. By then, the after-shocks had begun at Andamans. The first one was at 7:19 am of magnitude 5.9 on the richter scale. It is not clear whether that was enough to sound the warning bells. ``Tsunamis are never recorded in Indian history, so it did not occur to us,'' said R S Dattatrayam, director seismology at IMD, who arrived after 8.30 am to the station after being informed. ``I don't recall the exact sequence of events.''

Posted by: k.ram Jan 1 2005, 09:28 AM

Some pictures of RSS relief efforts that were emailed have been added at

Posted by: rhytha Jan 1 2005, 10:47 AM

from another forum ................The gentleman I met was a big businessman and a top district level politician. But on that day he was a ground level Samaritan trying to arrange for help. Apollo Hospitals was the first outside of Nagai doctors’ team to come for assistance. They had two senior surgeons, pediatric, ortho, cardiac, gyneac specialists, a few junior docs and many para medics. Most of the people who with whom I was inducted, were local residents who had enormous economic impact but not much of health impact. They had nothing to do with politics or any organizations but just being themselves. They had all moved their families to far away relative’s houses and stayed back to help those who lost everything in the waves. These I got to know later but then there was no time for introductions then. By the time, I was introduced into the team; the team was ready to move to the next relief camp and was packing up. I was given a face mask and gloves. There was one girl who was being carried into the ambulance with a drip being administered. As soon as we started moving towards the next relief camp, the traffic was blocked. SONIA GANDHI WAS VISITING THE "IMPACTED" PEOPLE AND HENCE, RELIEF WORK WAS STOPPED. Out of nowhere, came about 40 vehicles, 200+ supporters of congress jumped out and formed a human wall. Sonia went into the hospital and the police and supporters started controlling the crowd. PEOPLE WHO LOST EVERYTHING WERE BEING THREATENED BY COPS WITH LATHIS TO NOT WALK AROUND. Ladies were bought in from a nearby camp to cry in front of Sonia!!! The spread their hair and started off, but were told to hold off till Sonia comes out of the relief camp. About 15 mins later, Sonia came out to meet the crowds and the "prepared" ladies started wailing that they lost everything. Photo opportunities for leaders, scoop for media and .......... Pack up time to move and all got into the cars and went. Not one of the supporters stayed back, for they have the important task of being the tail of their leader. The place got its weary look back with only the cops on duty to guard the refugees remaining. ......................

Posted by: acharya Jan 1 2005, 12:57 PM

Techies join relief work in Tamil NaduAdd to Clippings PTI[ SATURDAY, JANUARY 01, 2005 09:06:08 PM ] Sign into earnIndiatimes points PORAYAR: Several groups of young software engineers from Bangalore and Chennai have arrived at various parts of Nagapattinam district to carry out relief operations. They have brought generous contributions of their fellow employees and are personally doing their bit for the affected people. Eight young men working in top software companies in Bangalore were seen enquiring from the victims about their needs. Senthil Kumar, a member of that group said that several such groups from Chennai and Bangalore had already arrived at Nagapattinam. Professionals, both men and women from software companies like Wipro, Infosys, Accenture, AdventNet, Xerago arrived on Friday night. They had done a lot of homework before deciding to plunge into relief operations. They had collected details about the places that have been worst-hit and have the list of worst-hit villages with them. They had also consulted many service organisations who had offered their services in Gujarat during the earthquake. With all these inputs, they were armed with statistics regarding the magnitude of devastation. Without any desire for any publicity, they are silently carrying out their work. Bankers, architects and media professional are also joining these teams on Saturday.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Jan 1 2005, 02:04 PM

An alternate view of tsunami relief In the tsunami relief , lots of money is being poured in by Govts etc I think it will be better for hindus to step back and instead fund Ekal Vidyalayas etc that are of long term benefit G.S

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Jan 1 2005, 03:44 PM

Meanwhile almost every major hindu coastal temple from Chennai to Kanyakumari has escaped the tsunami while conversionist churches are biting the dust all along the coast Newindpress Car Nicobar's famous church flattened by tsunami Sunday January 2 2005 00:00 IST IANS PORT BLAIR: The famous John Richardson church in Car Nicobar in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands has been completely destroyed by the giant tsunami that also killed thousands in the pristine archipelago. "Nothing remains of the church," moaned pastor Silvanus, who has just been rescued by navy from Car Nicobar, part of the archipelago which has 572 islands, islets and rocks in the Bay of Bengal. Officially named the St. Thomas Cathedral Church, it was established in the 1930s during British colonial rule and was one of the oldest and most distinguished churches in the region. The name John Richardson comes from late local hero and missionary Bishop John Richardson who spread Christianity across the Andamans, was a legendary do-gooder and was even nominated to parliament by India's first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru. He died in 1978 and this year a special statue dedicated to him and a stadium named after him were to open in Car Nicobar. But everything was washed away by the tsunami. Even the guesthouses, which were to keep Andaman and Nicobar Lieutenant Governor Ram Kapse when he would arrive to inaugurate the statue and the stadium, were completely destroyed. "I am more sad about the destruction of the church than even my injuries," said Anil Mistry, part of the parish of the St. Thomas Church and now a tsunami survivor in a hospital here. He has fractured both his kneecaps and is suffering from food poisoning. "The church meant everything to me and to so many people from Nicobar. John Richardson was like a saviour here - there are so many he helped, so many lives he had touched. "To think that anything built in his memory should suffer like this is tragic, really tragic." Added H. Samuel, another survivor: "He was the messiah with the gospel around here. It is because of John Richardson that so many people were able to learn to write and speak in English. "He literally showed us the light and now everything that we wanted to do for his memory has been cast into darkness. The moment I get healed, I'll try to do my best to recreate a church in his name."

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Jan 1 2005, 08:47 PM

Another major hindu shrine escapes unscathed Zero loss of life at Amritapuri on the sea coast This is the coastal ashram run by mata Amritanandamayi From Chennai to Kerala most major hindu temples escape unharmed while conversionist churches face heavy damage

Posted by: sridhar k Jan 1 2005, 09:22 PM #39;s~eyes~on~entering~the~District~Development~Council~Hall~premises~on~Beach~R oad~is~heaps~and~heaps~of~used~clothes...

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Jan 1 2005, 09:42 PM

I have often bought used clothes from Goodwill type stores Indians are way too snobbish G.S

Posted by: Pathmarajah Jan 2 2005, 01:43 AM

QUOTE (sridhar k @ Jan 2 2005, 09:52 AM) #39;s~eyes~on~entering~the~District~Development~Council~Hall~premises~on~Beach~R oad~is~heaps~and~heaps~of~used~clothes...
Vivekananda Ashram here just turned us away with new and used clothes. Just cant believe this. Anyway, we are handing it over to a local newspaper, Tamil Malar, for redistribution. Pathma

Posted by: bengurion Jan 2 2005, 03:45 AM

"More than 80 percent of the funds [IDRF] raised between 1994 and 2000 have been used to fund organizations allied to the RSS," said Ra Ravishankar, member of a coalition of Indian American academics that published a 2002 report attacking the IDRF. "They have a way of using such tragedies to get money from unsuspecting donors," Ravishankar said. "These groups may carry out some genuine relief in the next few months, but short-term relief cannot be a justification for long-term hatred and violence."
who is this guy (Ra Ravishankar) he is creating more problems than Pakistan. With Hindus like these we dont need Pakistan to destroy us. Are'nt there any good Indian american academics? bengurion.

Posted by: Peregrine Jan 2 2005, 04:02 AM;sessionid=FNAER1RNZXLXXQFIQMGCM5OAVCBQUJVC?xml=/news/2005/01/02/nbish02.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/02/ixhome.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=44535 By Chris Hastings, Patrick Hennessy and Sean Rayment (Filed: 02/01/2005) The Asian tsunami disaster should make all Christians question the existence of God, Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, writes in The Telegraph today. In a deeply personal and candid article, he says "it would be wrong" if faith were not "upset" by the catastrophe which has already claimed more than 150,000 lives. Prayer, he admits, provides no "magical solutions" and most of the stock Christian answers to human suffering do not "go very far in helping us, one week on, with the intolerable grief and devastation in front of us". Dr Williams, who, as head of the Church of England, represents 70 million Anglicans around the world, writes: "Every single random, accidental death is something that should upset a faith bound up in comfort and ready answers. Faced with the paralysing magnitude of a disaster like this, we naturally feel more deeply outraged - and also more deeply helpless." He adds: "The question, 'How can you believe in a God who permits suffering on this scale?' is therefore very much around at the moment, and it would be surprising if it weren't - indeed it would be wrong if it weren't." Dr Williams concludes that, faced with such a terrible challenge to their faith, Christians must focus on "passionate engagement with the lives that are left". His comments came as Tony Blair finally broke his silence on the tragedy, branding it a "global catastrophe" that would take the world "years" to deal with. The Prime Minister, who has faced criticism for not cutting short a family holiday in the Egyptian resort of Sharm El Sheikh, also insisted that the United Nations should lead the international aid effort. He praised the "extraordinary generosity" of the British people, whose donations topped £60 million last night. The Government has thus far pledged £50 million. Interviewed by Channel 4 News, Mr Blair said: "At first it seemed a terrible disaster. But I think as the days have gone on people have recognised it as a global catastrophe. "It is not simply the absolute horror of what has happened and how many people's lives have been touched in different ways, it is also the fact that the consequences are not just short-term and immediate but long-term and will require a great deal of work by the international community for months, if not years, to come. "We've got millions of people displaced, we've got the potential of disease coming from this and we've got whole areas of that region that will have to be rebuilt." He shrugged off claims that he should have come home to take charge of Britain's aid effort, adding that he had been in touch "practically hourly" with Downing Street. Mr Blair said that one of his key tasks during Britain's year-long presidency of the G8 group of leading industrial nations, which started yesterday, was to liaise with other leaders. His faith in the UN seemed undimmed despite the international rows in the months prior to the war in Iraq and he dismissed as a "misunderstanding" claims that President George W. Bush had tried to snub the organisation by setting up a four-country task force with Australia, India and Japan. "When I spoke to President Bush a short time ago he made it very clear that he wanted the UN to be in the lead and that he sees the work that the US is doing as very much supportive of that," he said. Mr Blair's intervention was made as it was disclosed that Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, would lead Britain's international anti-poverty drive by going on a three-nation trip to east and southern Africa later this month. Meanwhile, a 10-man British military reconnaissance team arrived in Sri Lanka to assess how British Armed Forces could best assist the stricken country which, with Thailand, Indonesia and southern India, has borne the brunt of the disaster. The team will report back to the Permanent Joint Headquarters in Northwood, Middlesex, in the next 72 hours. The main focus of Britain's effort is likely to be directed towards Sri Lanka and the Maldives. Two Royal Navy ships, the frigate Chatham, currently on patrol in the Gulf, and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel Diligence, already in the Indian Ocean, are heading for Sri Lanka. A C-17 Globe Master transport aircraft, which can carry 100,000lbs of cargo, has also been allocated to supply aid. The Pope in his New Year message yesterday led prayers for victims at St Peter's Basilica in Rome, and a prayer vigil for victims, survivors and families was being held at Central Hall, Westminster, last night. On Wednesday, a nationwide three-minute silence will be observed across Britain. In sharp contrast we have an Indian Missionary's views : PORT BLAIR: Was the killer tsunami a message from god? A reflection on the way man lives? Yes, says Bishop Alex Dias of the Stella Morris Cathedral Church, the main Catholic church. "I believe that the tsunami is a warning. A warning from god to reflect deeply on the way we lead our lives," said Dais, as he stood among the ragtag tarpaulin tents in the 900-strong relief camp the church is running for tsunami survivors. More than 800 people are now confirmed dead in the Indian archipelago of the Andaman and Nicobar, which has 572 islands, islets and rocks, and more than 5,000 still missing, a week after giant tidal waves hit the islands. After days of saying that more than 10,000 people are either dead or missing, authorities now are confirming the death of around 800 people and say around 5,000 could be missing. No explanation has been given to the wide discrepancies or to the fate of the rest of the people initially suspected dead or missing. Dias, who is running one of the main eight relief camps in Port Blair, the main city in the archipelago, said he saw a special message shining through the disaster - the worst ever in the region. "We are too hurried today. We are rushing here, rushing there. Everything is a façade. There are lots of cracks and undulating things in our lives. "A disaster like this is a word from god to think about those cracks and smoothen them out. We are filled our lives with so much that there is little place for god. "In moments of grave crisis, we remember god and we should also think how to put him back in the primary position in our lives," said Dias. Cheers

Posted by: narayanan Jan 2 2005, 07:34 AM

Hey, Google "Ra" Ravishankar and you'll find out what it is. Btw, just rec'd in the email:

To Dear Editor: I was sickened by Gaiutra Bahadur's "Confusion: Indians here wrestle with where to give" (Sun. Jan2). This malicious article has one motive: malign a charitable organization to please Bahadur's communist friends. Let me try to explain some facts. The Forum of Indian Leftists (FOIL) is a front for the Communist Party of India (Marxist). The Marxists conduct terrorist campaigns, murdering policemen and other innocents in Nepal and the Indian states of Andhra, Orissa, West Bengal. In 2002, FOIL got paid by a political outfit in India to write a false report, purporting to expose shocking "accusations" about the India Development and Relief Fund. As a donor to IDRF, I was one of those who read this report with interest, and helped to rebut it thoroughly - as Bahadur knows very well. You can read our report (which is also published in book form), and other aspects of the FOIL's antics at: "Concerted Attack on the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF. Exposing Biju Mathew, A.K.Sen,, and the "Campaign to Stop Funding Hatred" Bahadur's main "source" for the new round of slander is so-called "academic" Ra Ravishankar. "Ra" is listed as a student at the University of Illinois - and a member of the FOIL, frequent writer in "Dissident Voice". Perhaps "Ra" is still to take a course on intellectual honesty, having missed it in kindergarten. There is a good reason why community leaders, and indeed anyone who is honest and hasn't been on Mars for the last 3 years, disbelieves the FOIL. Just two examples from the FOIL's so-called "academics": 1. Bahadur cites "Ra"'s contention that "over 80% of IDRF's funds went to RSS entities". Examination of their arithmetic in their report showed that the Presbyterian Church of North America is included in this 80% as a "hindu organization" - funded to "incite hatred". Not that there was ever anything wrong in the RSS being funded to carry out grassroots relief and development projects, something they do with selfless efficiency. In the 2001 Orissa cyclone, and the 2002 Bhuj earthquake, RSS volunteers were first on the scene to rescue - and last to leave after development projects were completed. The communists' role meanwhile was to keep the police busy elsewhere with their terrorist attacks, and write lies in "Dissident Voice" or "CounterCurrents". Bahadur reveals true colors by repeating the worn-out canard that the assassin of Mahatma Gandhi was "RSS" - a canard that has been refuted as slander by the courts in India. I note from "Ra"'s recent writings such as "Beacon of Hypocrisy" (Counter-Currents, May 2003)that the RSS is in good company - his opinion of the RSS is not far from his opinion of the United States of America. 2. The "report" also claimed that IDRF was anti-Muslim. "Evidence"? It sent money to the families of New York firefighters killed in the 9/11 terror attack. Reasoning? "The victims were mostly non-Muslim and the perpetrators were all Muslims". Perhaps Bahadur and the Philly Inquirer would like your readers in Philadelphia to be informed that you endorse such logic? Organizations such as leprosy patient refuges, orphanages, tribal schools, were all listed as "hate-mongering" institutions. The list of their lies is too long to repeat here, but you can enjoy it in summary at "The Sabrang/FOIL/FOSA “FAQ” Meets Reality" and "Organizations Funded by IDRF - Sabrang/FOIL claims vs. Reality" The FOIL report and "Ra"'s colleagues were thoroughly and totally refuted, exposed and discredited. Some of the prime "academics" predictably, changed their "research" speciality to now call themselves "Kashmir Researchers". Their organization was reported by Pakistani newspapers to be funded by Pakistan's notorious Inter -Services Intelligence service. See "The Lashkar-e-Pinocchio Rides Again" In 2003, Bahadur wrote, or set out to write, an article on the subject - and was contacted by people knowledgeable about the issues, who explained the facts and provided accurate references. Today, in 2005, as we grieve over the 150,000 victims and are racing to bring succour to the living, there is no excuse for Bahadur taking malicious joy in kicking aid workers below the belt with this disgusting article. Bahadur owes an apology to your readers. Then again, that's probably expecting far too much in the Honesty and Decency Departments. By the way, Sewa volunteers, partly funded by IDRF, started rescue and relief operations in India at 10:30am on Dec. 26 - 90 minutes after the first waves struck. They probably have not had a minute to rest, extricating the dead and helping the survivors, while "Ra" and Communist co-"academics" conspire to hurt them. A summary of Sewa's efforts is attached - as posted at the UN "Reliefnet" site. I am curious to see if you and Bahadur are interested in publishing facts - or only such garbage as spouted by "Ra". Best regards, and I wish you and Bahadur a happy New Year with enhanced standards of honesty. As for "Ra", I hope he does get to take that course before graduation, if they do offer it over at U. Illinois.

Posted by: rhytha Jan 2 2005, 08:37 AM

QUOTE (Pathmarajah @ Jan 2 2005, 02:13 PM)
QUOTE (sridhar k @ Jan 2 2005, 09:52 AM) #39;s~eyes~on~entering~the~District~Development~Council~Hall~premises~on~Beach~R oad~is~heaps~and~heaps~of~used~clothes...
Vivekananda Ashram here just turned us away with new and used clothes. Just cant believe this. Anyway, we are handing it over to a local newspaper, Tamil Malar, for redistribution. Pathma
plp, don't send old cloths, they are used to fill up the potholes and are used to fire the pyre. there are lots of cloths which are strewn around in most affected places.

Posted by: Mudy Jan 2 2005, 09:18 AM

Tsunami survivors reject donated clothes, it’s below their dignity.
Please send Gucci, P.Cardin, Saks, Fifth Avenue new clothes only.

Posted by: bengurion Jan 2 2005, 10:35 AM

QUOTE (narayanan @ Jan 2 2005, 08:04 PM)
Hey, Google "Ra" Ravishankar and you'll find out what it is. Btw, just rec'd in the email:
Hi narayan, please look at this site here..
The board prints very inflammatory and hateful letters without cause, and doesn’t respond to many of the pro-Israel letters sent to the paper. Columnists like Mariam Sobh or Ra Ravishankar have repeatedly printed fabricated lies and quotes taken out of context from obscure sources and attributed incorrectly to Israeli leaders. After an extensive campaign waged by CAMERA and others, Sobh eventually printed a complete apology for printing a fabricated quote allegedly by Ariel Sharon.
I dont know if we have some organization like this for indians in US? Do we have one. To represent true indians and not these p-secs.?

Posted by: narayanan Jan 2 2005, 11:21 AM


Newsreal (University of Illinois) by Foster Lewin IllinIPAC, the Illinois-Israel Public Affairs Committee, the only pro-Israel student group at University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana, was founded just over five years ago. In the last two years, IllinIPAC’s membership has increased dramatically, partially due to the organization’s newsletter which was first published in the fall 2002 semester. The impetus for the newsletter was the long-standing, virulent anti-Israel voice on campus including at our newspaper, the Daily Illini. For instance, the now widespread divestment campaign was founded by Sir Francis Boyle at our campus. Anti-Semitic graffiti has repeatedly appeared around campus equating the Star of David to the swastika, and Sharon to Hitler, just to name a few. The Daily Illini (DI) also has an atrocious record regarding Israel. The DI has repeatedly printed inflammatory articles with pictures and captions taken out of context. The editorial board also appears extremely one-sided and unfair in its choice of op-eds and letters The board prints very inflammatory and hateful letters without cause, and doesn’t respond to many of the pro-Israel letters sent to the paper. Columnists like Mariam Sobh or Ra Ravishankar have repeatedly printed fabricated lies and quotes taken out of context from obscure sources and attributed incorrectly to Israeli leaders. After an extensive campaign waged by CAMERA and others, Sobh eventually printed a complete apology for printing a fabricated quote allegedly by Ariel Sharon. These offenses should cost columnists their positions and earn condemnation from either university officials or at least journalism professionals and professors. To combat the DI’s inherent bias, IllinIPAC started a weekly newsletter, the Newsrael, as well as a letter-writing campaign. The Newsrael includes pertinent news and interesting stories regarding Israel. The front contains a few short briefs, a quote of the week related to Israel, and a main article. The back includes more in-depth articles on a wide variety of topics. Every Friday on the quad, IllinIPAC members pass out over 1,000 copies, and leave several in the Jewish Greek houses and at Hillel. With over 40,000 copies and 35 issues since fall 2002, the IllinIPAC Newsrael has been a very effective means of educating the campus about Israel and the Middle East. Our success has prompted Muslim students to start a small paper, though it has made an insignificant impact on campus. The Newsrael as well as the letter-writing campaign has allowed IllinIPAC to aggressively shape the Middle East discourse on our campus. IlliniPAC has also evolved into a respected and highly visible group on campus through these efforts. Foster Lewin is a former co-president of IlliniPAC. He is studying engineering and biology.
This is something for the student types here to consider. Countering the likes of "Ra" is something best undertaken by undergraduates. Its a problem for us kindergartners to point out that PhD kandie-dates are idiots. Sounds like this "Ra" is a real rah-rah rich topic for satire - his general attitude is anti-US, anti-India, anti-Hindu, anti-Israel.... I can't imagine it being pro-university, pro-department, pro-cafeteria waiters, pro-janitors, pro-secretaries, pro-registrar lmaosmiley.gif pro-thesis-committee, pro-school-chair's secteraty, etc. etc. In fact I can't imagine it being pro- anything except pro-Ra. The possibilities are endless. Flush.gif

Posted by: k.ram Jan 2 2005, 01:33 PM

Tsunami relief work by RSS Tamilnadu - 31.12.2004 At Nagappattinam In the worst hit Nagappattinam district alone, 700 Swayamsevaks are engaged in the relief as on date. They have removed and disposed of 1,759 dead bodies. In the District, out of the 57 Coastal villages, 38 have been affected. Out of them 21 Villages have been totally destroyed. So far the District has seen a death toll of more than 7,000 people. 20,000 people have been affected. The fate of 4,000 people is not known. The Swayamsevaks have distributed 40,000 food packets so far. Yesterday (December 30) alone 6,000 food packets where distributed. Also they distributed clothes, blankets and medicines to the affected people. 8 teams of doctors are also engaged in extending medical treatment. In places like Keechangkuppam, Papa Koil etc., where the situation is so bad that even the Govt. officials dreaded to venture in, Swayamsevaks were engaged in rescue and relief work. They removed many dead bodies which were badly decomposed. It is to be noted that even after the District Collector’s orders, the Govt. employees didn’t go there. RSS has installed a mineral water plant in Tiruvarur. This plant has started supplying 20,000 litres of pure drinking water, which has become scarce, to the affected people everyday. It is a matter of grave concern that at this sad moment, when so many people have lost their lives and scores of Children have become orphans, some Christian organizations like ‘World Vision’ are engaged in converting the unfortunate child victims of the Tsunami. At Kanyakumari Right from day one, Swayamsevaks have been engaged in rescue and relief work with courage and daring. They took the people who had lost their homes to safe places. They retrieved 70 bodies from the AVM canal in Koottumangalam, Mandaikadu and Ettimadai areas and sent them to the Mortuary. They rendered medical assistance to 400 people staying in temporary camps. On the 26th food was given to 77 people. On December 27, senior RSS workers met the PA to the Collector. On his advice, under the guidance of Sri.Radhakrishnan Tahsildar, 210 Swayamsevaks retrieved 60 dead bodies from a canal. The govt. found it very difficult to identify and hand over the bodies strewn in the Kolachal General Hospital to their relatives. The Swayamsevaks helped the Govt officers in this task. The Swayamsevaks did the job in a calm, kind and methodical manner. Everyone praised their work. Many Christians who were victims of the Tsunami were among those buried by the Swayamsevaks. One of the dead was a vendor of sweets from Uttar Pradesh. The Swayamsevaks helped his son Sri.Rajkumar in cremating his father’s body. Because Rajkumar had difficulty with Tamil, he could not communicate with the local people. Swayamsevaks helped him by explaining to him in Hindi the procedure for getting government assistance. When the Swayamsevaks were engaged in relief work in Kottilpadu village they were alerted by sounds of ‘please save’. From inside a thorny bush when they approached, the place it was found that a lady was fighting for her life. She had been there for two days. She was immediately rescued and taken to Kolachal GH. Swayamsevaks also removed 6 dead bodies from the same bush. On December 28, Swayamsevaks helped members of 20 families of Sambasiva Puram in Kolachal who had lost their houses and all belongings. There 7 People had lost their life. Because Kolachal has a considerable percentage of Muslims, Hindus couldn’t stay in any relief camp. They also couldn’t get Govt. assistance. Swayamsevaks made them stay in V.K.P high school in Kolachal and extended medical help to them. They also registered their names with the officials and helped them to get rice and other things. The Swayamsevaks arranged for the disbursal of Rs.2,000 and clothes from the Govt. They also helped 25 families to get Rs.1,000 each from the Ramakrishna Mutt, Chennai. It was given through the Sri Vivekananda Ashram at Vellimalai. In the next phase the RSS is planning to extend the relief work to Veerabhaghupathy and Sothavalai Villages. A UNITED VILLAGE: Devaneri Kuppam (near Mahabalipuram) Devaneri kuppam is a village situated very near the world famous architectural marvel of Mahabalipuram on the Coast of the Bay of Bengal. It is a predominantly fishing village. It had 300 houses out of which 120 have been totally destroyed. Even the 30 houses which are built with mortar and cement are badly damaged. RSS Swayamsevaks are engaged in extending relief to the people there. They distributed food packets and biscuits to the people. It was a sight to witness when, the unruly crowd was regulated in an orderly queue by the village elders and the head men themselves. They then received the relief materials from the Swayamsevaks. When towards the end 5 Children were left out because the stock of biscuits ran out, the villagers asked several children who had already received the same, to share their biscuits with those children. The villagers said that “all the people in the village are very much united in everything they do”. The Swayamsevaks also had brought some clothes for distribution. But seeing that it was not enough for all the villagers they told the Swayamsevaks that the clothes may be kept in their custody and they may be distributed when enough clothes are brought in future. All this show how disciplined and dignified the villagers are even in the face of the worst calamity. The Villagers told that they were saved only by the grace of the Gangai Amman is the Presiding Deity of the village. They narrated how the 8 foot high idol of the Devi remained intact while the main door and the door of the sanctum sanctorum of the temple were washed away by the waves. They are planning to celebrate the oncoming festival for the Devi in a fitting manner and hope that the situation will improve by then. Because all the boats and fishing nets have been destroyed, they are badly in need of these to eke out a living. They told Swayamsevaks that on an average each family used to earn Rs.1500 per day. They recalled the incident when they watched on T.V the victims of the 2001 Gujarat Earthquake rushing to get food packets air dropped to them. At the time they were wondering why these people were running after food packets. Ironically, they are placed in a similar situation now. They said they never imagined that one day they would also face a similar problem. Released by Media Centre, Chennai

Posted by: narayanan Jan 2 2005, 02:32 PM

Seen on another forum

Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:58:40 -0600 From: Ra Ravishankar Subject: CSFH Warns Against Hate Groups Exploiting Tsunami Crisis [apologies for cross-posting] ------------------------ PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY ------------------------ GIVE WELL, GIVE WISELY! CSFH Urges Responsible Giving in the Wake of Tsunami Tragedy Friends, It is time to give and give generously. As the death toll climbs past 150,000 and the world comes to grips with the devastation caused by the deadly Indian Ocean tsunamis, numerous organizations across Asia are stepping up to organize relief and rehabilitation. We at the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate (CSFH) urge all individuals in the U.S. and elsewhere to support them by donating generously. However, our responsibility does not end with giving. It is also our combined responsibility to ensure that our funds do not end up in sectarian hands, and that this tragedy does not turn into another opportunity for communal groups to gain foothold in our plural society. KEEPING ACCOUNTABILITY, SOCIAL JUSTICE ON THE AGENDA The response to the tsunami tragedy in the US has been heartening, with hundreds of dedicated volunteers making enormous effort to raise resources for relief operations in India and elsewhere. Many of these groups have a long history of carrying out grass-roots, non-sectarian development work in India, and have been able to effectively mobilize their networks at this time to administer relief. They can be counted upon for working closely with affected communities in a transparent and accountable manner. The immense loss of life in Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Thailand, makes it incumbent on us to consider giving to our suffering Asian neighbors, either through transnational organizations or through informal networks of local community-based organizations. (See below for a partial list of such organizations). Many of us are also members of a variety of linguistic, regional and cultural associations. Because of their social and cultural affinities, such organizations are well equipped to intervene in on the ground activities. Precisely because of these reasons, sectarian groups try to use them as vehicles to advance their own agendas. We therefore urge you all to not only take an active part in the fund raising activities of these organizations but also be involved in discussions on how and where the funds are to be used. Disasters of this kind are occasions when we should be on high alert to keep social justice at the top of the agenda. STAY CLEAR OF SECTARIAN GROUPS SUCH AS IDRF, HSS, SEVA INTERNATIONAL AND VHPA Please remember the lessons of past natural calamities: Latur earthquake in 1993, Orissa cyclone in 1999 and the massive earthquake that shook Gujarat in 2001. Sectarian groups in the guise of non profits have swooped in on these areas engulfed in tragedy (funded in large part by unsuspecting donors in the US) and established their presence in the grief-stricken communities on the pretext of providing relief. Not only did this lead to unequal disbursement of relief among various communities, but it also caused further fracturing of these struggling communities along lines of caste and religion. Is that SHOCKING or what? Shocked While the Commie-Paki hate-mongers were still watching TV in the US and spending megabucks on hiring advertising agencies to collect $$ from suckers, these organizations were ACTUALLY HELPIN THE VICTIMS!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAWAHA Quote: This time too, the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF), Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS), Sewa International and Vishwa Hindu Parishad-America (VHPA) have all put out appeals for Tsunami relief. CSFH has done extensive research ROTFL on these groups and traced their linkages to the parent organization in India: the violent and anti-minority (read non-Commie-Paki) Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). (See for details.) Affiliates of this organization have been implicated by numerous national and international human rights groups as having engineered the anti-Muslim Gujarat pogroms in 2002 and the anti-Christian violence in 1998-2000. RSS itself is a secretive organization, openly sectarian in its operations, and is not legally permitted by the Government of India to accept funds from abroad; consequently, its US affiliates (IDRF, HSS etc.) are raising funds for organizations like Sewa Bharati, Jana Sankshema Samiti and Vivekananda Kendra in India, all of which are intrinsic parts of RSS operations in India and follow its divisive ideology. We urge everyone to make the responsible choice in favor of supporting secular groups with a long-standing commitment to the pluralistic ethos and democratic ideals of India. On our part, we are following up on our work of the past several years some of which is documented at . We will be happy to assist you with any information and would really appreciate it if you will alert us to the debates and discussions that you are involved in by emailing us at We are building a FAQ to be posted on our site and it will be helpful to know the kinds of questions being raised. Meanwhile, please feel free to use the list below as a starting point to identify the kind of organizations that are worthy of support. Thank you CSFH ( ------------------------------------------------------ A partial list of non-sectarian, grassroots groups involved in relief operations: 1. AID - Association for India's Development 2. American India Foundation 3. Asha For Education 4. India Literacy Project 5. India Relief and Education Fund 6. Indians for Collective Action 7. Pratham 8. Singh Foundation 9. Vibha These groups are partnering with various mass-based organizations and NGOs in India, such as the Tamil Nadu Science Forum, the National Fishworkers Forum, Vidyarambam, APVVU (agricultural workers' union in AP), People's Watch, Bharathi Trust and Bhoomika Trust. Among international organizations, Doctors Without Borders is reputed to be the most committed and experienced with meeting disasters with professional expertise. The International Red Cross has country specific operations which may be accessed and supported through the following links: Sri Lanka:!Open Indonesia:!Open Thailand:!Open Additionally, we urge you to also spread the word about the Red Cross's 'Family Links' initiative which helps locate separated family members throughout the affected region. You can find out more about this from Interesting to note the SINGH FOUNDATION (53% overhead, and the rest used for Commie-Paki travel, and to fund Teesta Setalwad and Javed Anand etc. ) IREF (Communist-run scam out of California which claims to "attempt" to keep overhead to 10% - which probably means its up near 90% ) endorsed along with AID, ASHA etc. Good list of scams to avoid. If AID, ASHA etc. want to disassociate themselves from the hate-mongers and scam artists, now is the time to stop being oiseules and do so. See For more info on "Ra" Ravishankar, see Quote: The board prints very inflammatory and hateful letters without cause, and doesn’t respond to many of the pro-Israel letters sent to the paper. Columnists like Mariam Sobh or Ra Ravishankar have repeatedly printed fabricated lies and quotes taken out of context from obscure sources and attributed incorrectly to Israeli leaders. After an extensive campaign waged by CAMERA and others, Sobh eventually printed a complete apology for printing a fabricated quote allegedly by Ariel Sharon.

Posted by: Pathmarajah Jan 2 2005, 11:42 PM

Even brand new and unused 'karishmas' are not accepted. Perhaps several 100,000 pieces of garments were rejected, which could have been rerouted to orphanages and old folks homes. Rice and dry foods are accepted though, all going to Sri Lanka and India. Relief personnel are going to Aceh though. It may interest you folks to know that we saw over 500 volunteer workers sorting contributions in just one temple. No place to park. Similar scenes in several other temples. We saw thousands of chinese in the local vihara contributing and in a half hour saw over ten loaded trucks leaving for the port, and its going on all day and night. Many families are donating again and again everyday. The response has been immense, frenzied and inspiring. For once we all came together. Regards. Pathma

Posted by: Mudy Jan 3 2005, 06:56 AM

QUOTE,4057,11832383% 255E28477,00.html It was a message from above By Shaun Davies January 2, 2005 AUSTRALIAN religious leaders have interpreted the tsunami as a warning from God. Leaders from several faiths said the killer waves were caused by God's anger with human immorality. Anglican Dean of Sydney, Phillip Jensen, said the will of God involved His creation of the world but it also involved His judgment on the sinfulness of humanity. "Disasters are part of His warning that judgment is coming," Dean Jensen said. Australian Federation of Islamic Councils chief executive Amjad Mehboob said it could not have happened unless it was God's will. "Islam teaches that when we do suffer some misfortune, it is what our own hands have wrought, and we must seek the forgiveness of God." However, Dr Appupillay Bala, president of the Hindu Council of Australia, said that he did not believe the tsunami was a direct result of God's anger. "I don't think most Hindus would say that it's a punishment from God. I don't think they'd believe that God would punish us collectively," Dr Bala said. The Sunday Telegraph

Posted by: Mudy Jan 3 2005, 07:00 AM

from another forum ................The gentleman I met was a big businessman and a top district level politician. But on that day he was a ground level Samaritan trying to arrange for help. Apollo Hospitals was the first outside of Nagai doctors' team to come for assistance. They had two senior surgeons, pediatric, ortho, cardiac, gyneac specialists, a few junior docs and many para medics. Most of the people who with whom I was inducted, were local residents who had enormous economic impact but not much of health impact. They had nothing to do with politics or any organizations but just being themselves. They had all moved their families to far away relative's houses and stayed back to help those who lost everything in the waves. These I got to know later but then there was no time for introductions then. By the time, I was introduced into the team; the team was ready to move to the next relief camp and was packing up. I was given a face mask and gloves. There was one girl who was being carried into the ambulance with a drip being administered. As soon as we started moving towards the next relief camp, the traffic was blocked. SONIA GANDHI WAS VISITING THE "IMPACTED" PEOPLE AND HENCE, RELIEF WORK WAS STOPPED. Out of nowhere, came about 40 vehicles, 200+ supporters of congress jumped out and formed a human wall. Sonia went into the hospital and the police and supporters started controlling the crowd. PEOPLE WHO LOST EVERYTHING WERE BEING THREATENED BY COPS WITH LATHIS TO NOT WALK AROUND. Ladies were bought in from a nearby camp to cry in front of Sonia!!! The spread their hair and started off, but were told to hold off till Sonia comes out of the relief camp. About 15 mins later, Sonia came out to meet the crowds and the "prepared" ladies started wailing that they lost everything. Photo opportunities for leaders, scoop for media and .......... Pack up time to move and all got into the cars and went. Not one of the supporters stayed back, for they have the important task of being the tail of their leader. The place got its weary look back with only the cops on duty to guard the refugees remaining.

Posted by: Viren Jan 3 2005, 11:15 AM,~Christians

Posted by: ramana Jan 3 2005, 11:48 AM

Its worth taking a look at Sanskrit and Sangam literature and epics to reeavlaute the Tsunami references in the past. I wonder if Ilagovan's 'Slippadikaram' is really a tsunami being described.

Posted by: Mudy Jan 3 2005, 12:01 PM

Posted by: Mudy Jan 3 2005, 12:07 PM

India to build own solutions for disaster mitigation Monday January 3 2005 10:53 IST IANS NEW DELHI: India will build its own infrastructure for disaster mitigation and control for dealing with nature's fury like tsunamis, rather than opt for generic global solutions, a top government scientist and advisor has said. "We do not want to become yet another signatory to something. We would like to share, be part, of an intellectual network, but not necessarily be part of their physical network," science and technology secretary V.S. Ramamurthy said. "In the case of tsunami, for instance, the Pacific (tsunami monitoring) network will not look at Bay of Bengal. It is not connected with it. So what is the point of becoming a formal member and doing nothing," he said. "Instead, we must build the infrastructure in Bay of Bengal, which the US or Japan is not going to invest in, but we have to do," Ramamurthy, a nuclear scientist, told IANS. After touring the tsunami-hit areas in Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Andhra Pradesh last week, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had said India will take steps to be better prepared in disaster mitigation and management in the future. The ministry of home affairs, he added, will be asked to set up a National Disaster Management Agency in this regard. Ramamurthy said India did not react in an appropriate manner following first reports of the under-sea earthquake near Sumatra that triggered one of the worst tsunamis ever. He said the 92nd Indian Science Congress in Ahmedabad Monday-Friday will look at contemporary issues like the tsunami disaster, health concerns and environment and space technology to find India-specific solutions. In health, for example, India is now looking at developing vaccines and at improving the nutritional quality of food, he said, adding the focus of the Indian Science Congress will be on health. "In the health sector we believe that disease endemic to this part of the world like tuberculosis should be given more focus. The effort should be to develop more vaccines and other preventive measures rather than curatives like drugs." Ramamurthy also laid emphasis on developing scientific temper among the younger generation. "This is the tenth or eleventh year when the children's science congress is being held concurrent to the Indian Science Congress," he said. "This is basically to inculcate in the children's mind a sense of scientific approach to problems. The easiest way to attract the attention of the children is to have a set of conferences and competitions," he added. Among the children who assembled in Guwahati for the Children's Science Congress last month - selected from around a 100,000 students at district levels - the winners will be taken to the science congress at Ahmedabad. "The children participating there will have an opportunity to display what they have done and interact with senior scientists. The calibre of the young budding student scientists is among the best," he said. "Last year among the 19 students sent for the International Science Olympiad all of them came back with a medal. In fact among the 80 countries that participated only seven countries had this unique distinction," said Ramamurthy. "I think our children seem to be much better than our elders in many respects."

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Posted by: Sriman Jan 3 2005, 02:09 PM

Narayanan, Write to the ombudsman of the paper. Most papers have one. Also, threaten that if action is not taken in the form of a reprimand or a correction (or space for a rebuttal) then a boycotting of the paper by Indians (and otherf friends) would be started.

Posted by: Sudhir Jan 3 2005, 03:18 PM

[URL= headline=President~Bush~visits~Indian~embassy]Bush signs condolence book at Indian embassy[/URL] US President George W Bush, his wife Laura and ex-presidents Bill Clinton and George H W Bush visited the Indian embassy on Monday.

Posted by: acharya Jan 3 2005, 08:33 PM

International media campaign to woo tourists By John L. Paul KOCHI, JAN 3. The Department of Tourism, Kerala, has launched an international campaign through global television channels to drive home the message that beaches and coastal resorts in the State are safe. The Tourism Director, T.O. Sooraj, said the department had approached CNN, BBC and National Geographic to telecast the ground-level situation on the Kerala coast, in the wake of the seismic waves devouring nearly 200 people in the State. "We have sent videos of tourists from Europe and the U.S. visiting beaches and resorts in Kovalam and Alappuzha. We recorded their interviews and sent them to the television channels. The channels would telecast these records in a couple of days," he said. Mr. Sooraj said around 10 per cent of bookings in hotels and beach resorts in the State had been cancelled in the wake of the disaster. "Most of those who cancelled the bookings were high-end tourists (those whom Vision 2025 of the Department of Tourism aims at), who stay here for over a week and spend an average of $ 275 every day here," he said. The threat of epidemics in the coast and the warning of the possibility of another tsunami strike had added to tourists' fears. The television propaganda also aims to rebut this presumption. In addition, our strategy is to woo those who had planned to visit the worst-hit areas such as Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Thailand and Maldives, for leisure and massage, Mr Sooraj said. Hill stations Even those who had come to India prior to the tsunami strike had shifted base to hill stations in the State, with the result that room occupancy was almost 100 per cent in places such as Munnar and Wagamon. The tsunami strike came at a time when there was over 80 per cent room occupancy in most hotels in the State. Fifty per cent of the bookings were cancelled in the Cherai Beach Resort. "Being a beach-side property, the resort had to be closed down for five days, in the wake of the scare created by lashing of high waves on the beach. A group of tourists who had booked 15 rooms cancelled it a few days back. Many tourists do not know that most of the coastal tourist spots in the State had not been affected by the attack," says N. Madhu of the resort. The warning of a possibility of a second attack created panic among tourists, making them review their plans to travel to Kerala, says Thomas Rulin, sales and marketing manager (Kerala) of the Taj Group of Hotels. "We have received some cancellations and there are a flurry of enquiries from tourists whether Kerala was safe to travel. The Government should get pro-active and initiate damage-control measures, as tourist inflow sustains lakhs of people in the hospitality, travel, handicrafts and related sectors," he says. The director (Business Development), of Le Meridien, Kochi, Karan Singh Bhati says the hotel has been rather unaffected. This is mainly owing to the fact that the hotel is also a venue for national and international conventions and conferences and a place where airline crew, corporates and domestic tourists stay. We are not dependant on any single segment for our revenue, he says. "What we need is an all-out effort to regain the confidence of tourists. The media can play a major role in this. There has not been any mass cancellation," says George Dominic, director, cgh earth. Anoop Skaria of Kashi Art Cafe, a tourist haunt in Fort Kochi, says that unlike backpackers, high-spending tourists are hyper-sensitive about safety. The tsunami will have a lasting impact on the tourism scene of Kerala, particularly beach resorts and house boats, he says. Jyoti Kumar of Kerala Connections says that U.S. tourists are more wary of calamities than Europeans. Measures have to be taken to get their confidence, he says. Send this Article to a Friend Congress to announce relief amount soon By Our Staff Reporter KOLLAM, JAN.3. The AICC secretary Sudhakar Reddy today said his party's contributions towards relief work for the tsunami-hit victims was being coordinated through the Rajiv Gandhi National Relief Welfare Trust headed by the AICC president, Sonia Gandhi. Mr. Reddy, who is here as the AICC representative to monitor the party's relief activities at Alapad panchayat, was talking to presspersons at the DCC office. He said the volume of relief to be allocated to the State would be announced by the Trust shortly. He welcomed the Rs. 100-crore relief allocation for the tsunami victims announced by Mata Amritanandamayi today. He lauded the State Government's efforts to provide succour to the victims and said it was unfortunate that some sections were trying to politicise the developments. Mr. Reddy noted that though Andhra Pradesh was one of the States hit by the tsunami, the State had decided to help the victims in Kerala too.

Posted by: acharya Jan 3 2005, 09:04 PM

Venkatanathan explained that the prediction was based on a novel method developed by the team. According to the method, when two or more planets, Sun and the Moon get aligned more or less in line (0 to 180 degree) with the earth it could affect the angular momentum of the earth and decrease the speed of rotation of the earth which could trigger an earthquake. But in order to trigger an earthquake in one particular place, two conditions should be taken into consideration, said Venkatanathan. One is the distance of the planetary configurations and two, the directions of force acting at the possible epicenter. Venkatanathan also clarified that by analysing the earthquakes that had occurred over the last 100 years, it was inferred that there was a role of planetary configurations in triggering earthquakes. He added that the team had earlier predicted possibility of earthquake occurrences at 27 places, among which Assam was one, and presented a report at the International Conference of ‘Hazards 2004’ held at National Geophysical Research Institute, Hyderabad. He said the success of the prediction rate achieved so far was around 75 to 80 per cent within a time-frame of plus or minus three to four days. Rajeshwara Rao said, ‘we are in the process of refining the technique so as to achieve a better success rate for which we should have a network of inputs from various international research organisations. For this to happen there was a need for large-scale funding, which could be done through the Government. He said with these things in mind, the department had already submitted a proposal to the Tamilnadu government to establish a Centre for Earthquake and Natural Hazards Studies (CENHAS).

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 3 2005, 09:49 PM

Tsunami survivors reject donated clothes, it’s below their dignity.
I dont see anything wrong with people rejecting aid at all. Its our duty to help and its the victims' right to either accept or reject. I dont see this as snobbish. Congrats are in order to MMS for showing the spine and rejecting allforeign aid.

Posted by: Mudy Jan 4 2005, 08:25 AM

Relief Work Being Done in Andaman and Nicobar By Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram And Seva Bharati -4.1.2005 Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, Vidya Bharati, Seva Bharati, Vivekanand Kendra and other associates are actively involved in the rescue and relief work since the Tsunami struck the Andaman and Nicobar. Relief Camps in Port Blair: Place Affected Persons Staying 1. Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram Campus: 552 2. Boys Sr. Sec. School: 270 3. Rabindra Bangla School: 350 Since 29th December, 2004 till today more than 2,500 victims were accommodated in the camp. Many of them returned back or went to their relative’s place or to mainland. Other NGOs like Ramkrishna Mission, Marvadi Yuva Manch, Dweep Youth Club too are doing relief work. Seva Bharati is providing all sorts of Medical Assistance to all these camps along with doctors. Volunteers are visiting all the camps run by all organisations round the clock and providing necessary food materials, clothing and other essential commodities. Relief Camps Outside Port Blair: Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, Seva Bharati and associated organisations are providing all essential commodities along with medical facilities to the 7 relief camps (Humfreygunj- 1& 2, Chouldhari, New Wandoor, Wandoor Jetty, North Wandoor, and Wandoor East- 2 & 3) outside Port Blair in which 1134 victims have taken shelter. Food, clothes, medicines, blankets, water, utensils, toothbrush, paste, soap are being provided. Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram and its associates are working for people without any discrimination on the basis of religion, caste or creed. Future Plans: 1. Establishment of Temporary Community Settlement in the areas adopted by the Ashram since the schools etc. are to be vacated. 100 people may be grouped in 25 each and provided with utensils, cooking equipments and very important grocery materials. Book and educational kits to students of the settlement camp will also be provided. This will continue till it is needed. 2. After the relocation and reallocation of areas by the Administration we will adopt areas and families to rehabilitate them with the assistance of Administration. - Dilip Kumar Ghosh Port Blair

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Posted by: Mudy Jan 4 2005, 11:22 AM

"The airforce," he said, "had taken up rescue operations at many places in the past but I don't think we have handled a situation of such a magnitude earlier." "The situation is very difficult here. It is a very big challenge," the IAF chief said the runway of the airfield at Car Nicobar, damaged by the tsunamis, would be fully repaired within two weeks.

Posted by: Viren Jan 4 2005, 12:13 PM,001301540003.htm

Posted by: Kumar Jan 4 2005, 10:43 PM

Grudge against the VICTIM !!!!! Over the years, in my long life, I have come across many people who hold grudges against some peculiar person or some peculiar group of humans. Grudges held against an individual can result from simple misunderstandings or incompatible personalities or some unpleasant act committed by one person against another. But what has gotten my attention is the grudge held by one person against a group of humans. I have come across individuals who hate white people or black people or immigrants or UN as an organization or Arabs or lesbians or one of the many groups of humans. When you hate an individual, you can postulate your accusations against one clearly identified individual. You are certain about the facts that may form a bonafide accusation. For example, Mr XYZ may hate Mr ABC for sleeping with his wife. Even in this clearly suspicious scenario, there is a room for misunderstanding. It could be that Mr ABC is a gay man and he merely slept with Mr XYZ’s wife without having sexual intercourse. It could result from the fact that Mr XYZ was out that night, Mrs XYZ felt scared and asked her gay friend Mr ABC for a sleep over. But we have a clearly identified accused nevertheless. While working for a high-tech company in Culver City, I got to train a man. We had to spend considerable amount of time together. During our non-business related chit-chats, I noted that this gentleman really hated immigrants, especially Mexicans. His pain and suffering regarding immigrants coming to USA was unbearable to him and it was evident by just talking to him. One day, during the lunch, I decided to ask him why he disliked immigrants so much. His reply was that when immigrants land on US soil they are given $10k cash. He as an American does not get a dime from the Government. I was appalled by that reply. I did had a talk with him about the validity of the information he was holding on to. I do not know if he believed me or not when I told him that the information he was holding on to was simply not correct. That incident got me thinking but I never gave it much thought. Los Angeles is an interesting town in a sense that you can find people from all over the world in it. Diversity of Los Angeles’ population brings with it diverse bigots. I had a conversation with couple of gentlemen who hated Jewish people. These gentlemen hated Jewish people so much that they were personally suffering from it. What startled me about this case in point was that these people had never seen a Jew until they arrived at US soil. They were indoctrinated into hating a group of people whom they have never met before and whom they had no logical reason to hate. These individuals attributed a lot of evils of this world to Jews. Their most serious accusation was, Jews controlled the world. Well, as usual, I was obligated to tell them the truth. So, I did, tell them the truth. Did it help? I do not know. They started to avoid political conversations with me after that incident. I believe on Dec 26th, 2004 we saw the worst tragedy of at least my lifetime. We were hit by Tsunami. As I write this, more than 140,000 people have been assumed dead. You would think that a catastrophe of this magnitude would bring out extreme compassion and mercy among us. But the day after the tragedy hit us, I was reading CNN’s feedback section. The entire section was filled with comments like; Where was the world when we were hit on 911; Why should we help them when they did not help us; We should mind our own business; We have plenty of poor people at home; etc. Once again, I was shocked by the ignorance and cruelty displayed in those comments. Shortly after 911, USA received millions of dollars in aid from all over the world to help more than 2,000 poor victims of 911. There were unconditional sympathies and supports pouring into USA from abroad till Bush decided to start the Iraq fiasco. I have come across many individuals who hate a group of people. This is sad. Hatred is a sad emotion. What is even sadder is that basis of their hatred is ignorance. For many of these people who harbor hatred, foundation of their existence is based on ignorance. When you shake the foundation of their ignorance, you shake their very existence. Therefore, I designate them as victims too. They are the worst kind of victims for their can be no rescue from the hatred formed without a basis. Author: Arun K Pandey

Posted by: Krishna Jan 5 2005, 02:25 PM

Mod Note: Please carry on the IDRF discussion in "The second attack on IDRF only." I have merger all those relevant posts from here to there. Please use that thread. This one only about relief operations, and relevant stuff

Posted by: Pathmarajah Jan 5 2005, 08:18 PM

"Some people change their ways when they see the light. Most when they feel the heat" -- Catherine Schroeder. So does this mean heat is needed? And if we cannot put the heat onto ourselves, Nature will send wake-up calls of "heat" to us to induce the threshold level of communityness (trust, risk-taking etc) the planet requires to sustain itself? More food for thought. You decide. and now a tsunami of compassion....cutting all barriers. "I never thought the world was so helpful. Or that people were so wonderful." Neither did I. I waited for this day in India. This is India Shining. Regards and aum. Pathma Students, lawyers, doctors, slum-dwellers, IT professionals... help is pouring in from all quarters for post-tsunami relief works, reports SHONALI MUTHALALY CHENNAI HAS never seen anything quite like this before. Lawyers, doctors, IT professionals and chartered accountants are taking one and two months of leave to clamber on trucks piled high with relief material and head to remote tsunami-struck villages to help volunteers find, lift and bury rapidly decomposing bodies. Young people are packing knapsacks and hitching lifts to the coast to offer both brains and brawn in an attempt to help devastated villagers. Students from city schools and colleges are sitting up late, sifting through and meticulously cataloguing the never-ending flood of food, vessels, clothes and money, coming from all over the world, everyday. The most amazing part of the story is, perhaps, the fact that, in this current time of trouble, everybody is pitching in. "The city has risen up magnificently to face this tragedy," says one volunteer, just back from Nagapattinam. "All along the coast, in all the villages I visited, there was an overflow of aid. Stacks and stacks of clothes, more-than-enough cooked food, volunteers on call... All class, caste, religious, social and economic barriers have simply faded away as people stand shoulder to shoulder helping put villages back on their feet." After the tsunami hit the coast, tea stalls stayed open day and night to feed survivors for free. In Chennai, and the villages, house owners have thrown open their homes for those who have lost theirs. "My maid and 15 of her friends left for the villages with stoves soon after the tsunami," says one lady. "They went there and cooked sambar and rice for the victims." "Nobody asked any of these people to do all this," says another volunteer, "In a number of villages, volunteers from the city have just come in, and started to cook for everyone. We even get calls from Mumbai and Delhi from people who are begging to come and work with us." In the slums, men and women, who can barely afford a daily square meal, are collecting Rs. 5 per head to help the tsunami victims. Teenagers from poor housing colonies are going from door to door, raising tens of thousands of rupees in the process. Along the coast, in every colony, people are collecting money to help neighbours who have lost everything. Meanwhile, under the direction of relief organisations, many set up overnight by concerned citizens, campuses are being flooded by hundreds of cartons of products for the victims, from practically all the major companies in the city, some of which have also volunteered to supply 20,000 to 40,000 litres of vital drinking water to the villages. In the Indian Red Cross Society's sprawling Chennai headquarters (044-2855 4548 /4425 /4117 /2858 6997), for instance, every single room is crammed. Their rambling campus, now overshadowed by looming bundles of clothes, is abuzz all through the day, with volunteers working overtime, putting together emergency packages for villagers. Lorries, loaned for free by corporates, are constantly being loaded to be sent to the coast. Meanwhile, the steady stream of Chennai-ites bearing aid — whether it's an old man in an auto rickshaw crammed with bread, or five well-gelled hipsters in a car loaded with blankets — never seems to cease. "The public response is tremendous," says Sarojini Varadappan, president, Indian Red Cross Society, Tamil Nadu branch. "There is such incredible generosity." A quick look through their ample stockpile of food and other supplies is proof enough. One room is packed to the ceiling with cartons of milk from Aavin, "because the children need milk, and these cartons stay good for 120 days," says Bhargavi Devendra, honorary secretary of the state's Indian Red Cross Society. There are hundreds of cartons of instant noodles, biscuits and medicines. Another room is practically bursting with new clothes — saris, dhotis and bedsheets. The corridors are full of tightly rolled grass mats, buckets, mugs, stoves, candles, matches and a number of other items, all packed up and ready to go. "We are even receiving calls and letters from people who want to adopt children who lost their parents in the tragedy. An adoption agency called recently offering to adopt all the children," she says. The scene at the villages, however, especially the smaller ones, is still frighteningly unchanged. "We've been visiting a lot of the small villages dotted along the coast, and they're still finding bodies in these places," says Balaji, who's co-ordinating the NGO AID India's work (044-28350403/ 55615629. . "Our volunteers are finding still children trapped in fishing nets, whose bodies are decomposing... You can't blame the Government, they're doing what they can. But they need help," he says, adding, "In remoter villages there are, even now, a huge number of dead bodies that need to be cleared." AID India has divided the belt into five main areas, he says, and "taken up a few villages in every point." There are apparently eight clusters where bodies have not yet been removed. And yes, most of their manpower is fuelled by everyday citizens from Chennai. "We just give them gloves, and they carry the bodies - voluntarily. It's a terrible job, but, amazingly, people are willing to do it." Praveen, for one, has been working ceaselessly in Kovalam ever since the tragedy, along with a group called the Youth Employment Summit. "These people need help from us," he says. "It's probably going to take more than three months for things to come back to normal." At the Bhoomika Trust Office (9444451267, 52041505), Jayendra Panchapakesan and his team of volunteers are putting together emergency kits, each of which should answer the needs of a family. Besides having a huge and enthusiastic pool of volunteers to do the packing, he says there are also a number of people coming forward to sponsor kits, make cash donations and bring actual supplies. "These villages have lost their means of livelihood. They need to get back their nets, and have their boats repaired. They need food, water and medicines," says Nandakumar, a pilot, who has been using all his leave to work in the villages. Nandakumar, who has been co-ordinating with `Trust Children' (55712040, 55712030) and the city's students, says people are now travelling to the tsunami affected areas along with the rations, because they want to ensure it reaches the needy. "We have got to ensure that they aren't taken away by the local dons in the villages," he says. The students, meanwhile, who are working under the `Students for Society' banner, help by finding funds, and sponsors. "We're not skilled, or equipped, to deal with the horror there," says Priyanka from Stella Maris. "So we help by targeting people who can aid us in a proactive way." They get daily updates from AID India, which has volunteers on the field, and then find a way to supply them with what is required: whether it's medicines, painkillers, bedding, food supplies or utensils. "We hope to set up a water network eventually," she says. "But right now, they're still separating the living and dead." Although there was some confusion in the beginning, most organisations now coordinate with one another and the government to find out what is needed where, so they can then send the appropriate supplies and volunteers. As well-stocked lorries ply in and out of the city, additional information keeps coming in from the field, so organisers can equip themselves for the next day. And meanwhile, help continues to pour in ceaselessly. "It's amazing," says Ishwarya from the Ila Kitchens Rescue Team (24985515), "We are getting calls from the general public, from people of all ages, from all walks of life. This is a first time experience for me... I never thought the world was so helpful. Or that people were so wonderful."

Posted by: Naresh Jan 6 2005, 08:25 AM,dwp_uuid=e7abb2ca-5776-11d9-a8db-00000e2511c8.html Delhi on Wednesday declared an end to the search and rescue phase of its tsunami disaster operation having accounted for 98 per cent of all probable Indian survivors. "We are now moving into phase two of our operations where the accent will be on restoring normal life," said Shyam Saran, India's foreign secretary. Senior officials also strongly rejected criticisms that India's refusal to accept foreign aid had hindered relief to its own victims. Foreign aid officials have expressed mounting frustration with New Delhi's refusal to accept offers of help in a disaster that has cost 10,000 Indian lives. But Mr Saran on Wednesday said no external help had been needed and that foreign assistance - including India's largest ever foreign aid effort - should always have been targeted at the far worse affected countries of Sri Lanka, Indonesia and the Maldives. "Any suggestion that there has been a lack of response [within India] is completely misplaced," said Mr Saran. "In terms of not accepting foreign assistance, we feel we have all the resources to cope . . . Our response to this disaster was very prompt and effective." Aid workers say it is too early to tell whether India's relief effort was in any way hindered by its rejection of foreign aid, particularly in the remote Andaman and Nicobar Islands, where up to 4,000 are thought to have died. But foreign aid officials have praised the quality of the disaster relief effort in India's southern state of Tamil Nadu where up to 7,000 died. In contrast, foreign diplomats say they are in little doubt that one of New Delhi's key aims in the wake of the tsunami has been to project India as an emerging great power that gives out rather than receives humanitarian aid. Many assume New Delhi's stance is also tied up with its goal of achieving a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council. "India wants to be seen as part of the solution, not part of the problem," said a senior western diplomat. "It has certainly been part of the solution in countries like Sri Lanka. But if assessments in the future show that India's refusal of foreign aid cost Indian lives, then this will not add to its reputation." India's ambivalence towards foreign assistance is deeply rooted but has recently become more forthright following years of relatively high economic growth. Last year New Delhi reduced to six the number of foreign countries permitted to provide aid to India. Partly in response to neighbouring China's growing aid programmes, New Delhi has also stepped up its own donor efforts in countries such as Burma, Afghanistan and even in Sub-Saharan Africa. Last week India was one of three countries, including Australia and Japan, invited by the US to form the "core group" of countries providing emergency relief to tsunami victims in the region. Indian aircraft carrying emergency supplies were the first to reach Sri Lanka, where more than 25,000 have lost their lives, on December 26, the day of the disaster. But many in India have pointed to the sharp contrast between New Delhi's newfound willingness to tolerate a prominent US military role in the region - including the deployment of US marines in Sri Lanka last week - and its continuing sensitivity to any external assistance. "The idea of self-reliance is still the default position of both India's left and right and it does look outdated," said Raja Mohan, a security analyst in New Delhi. "What is new is India's happiness to work to this extent with the US military in its backyard. India knows China would try to fill any regional gap vacated by the US military." Foreign officials also point to a gap between New Delhi's diplomatic rhetoric and the actions of administrators on the ground. In Tamil Nadu, which has one of India's more effective state governments, civil servants have shown no compunction in requesting foreign help. By contrast foreign agencies have been kept out of the Andaman Islands, which is governed directly from Delhi. "The quality of the relief effort in Tamil Nadu gets very high marks by any standards," said Steven Hollingworth, India head of Care, the international aid agency, which is supplying water and household equipment to some of the 700,000 affected people in the state.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 6 2005, 08:48 AM

Yesterday I was listening to talk radio after some time and I couldnt believe it. The gist was that countries in "that region" deserved what they got. They sell their women for 50$. CNN and other media show wreckage but quickly turn away the cameras when a brand new car goes by. Nobody should leave their kids alone while visiting "those countries" as they will be sold off. This was just within 15 mins. I couldnt stand it and turned off the radio. mad.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 6 2005, 11:40 AM He mentions a paper which can be found at ..

Posted by: Sudhir Jan 6 2005, 02:25 PM The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) Mission in India today announced two grants for a total of Rs. 6.2 crores (USD 1.4 million) to non-governmental organizations in India to provide clean water to persons affected by the tsunami in Tamil Nadu. The funds will go to CARE USA and Catholic Relief Services (India), two organizations with well-established humanitarian relief programs in India That is, $650K for CARE $750K for Catholic Relief Services $50K Prime Minister's National Relief Fund $50K for International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies Just wondering is "Red Crescent" a Paki Commie society?

Posted by: Naresh Jan 6 2005, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (Sudhir @ Jan 7 2005, 02:55 AM) $50K for International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies Just wondering is "Red Crescent" a Paki Commie society?
Sudhir, "Red Crescent" is the "Islamic" Equivalent of the Red Cross

Posted by: Sudhir Jan 6 2005, 02:40 PM

Naresh, Thank you. I thought it was a Paki commie cabal who sponsor the likes of Arundhati Roy, Bidwai, etc So moolah goes to cross and crescent types only? mad.gif Selective faith based initiative in action ?

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 6 2005, 03:54 PM

http://pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1104981578311 I disagree with this. I have a different theory. It was indeed the hindus and the yehudis who actually put a giant hook on the plate, tied a real thick rope to the hook and attached it to a huge nuclear motor. The hindus and yehudis then started the motor. That pulled the plate from under the middle east thereby transferring all oil fields to India thus depriving poor arabs from their most coveted resource.. Since the plate was moved with such force water swelled and 'adjusted' causing tsunami. Anybody can beat that ??? devilsmiley.gif

Posted by: Viren Jan 6 2005, 04:17 PM

Rajesh: It belongs to the gossip thread or the humor thread. Sorry to say, but I was expecting it (but from some Paki source). Afterall it was the 'Indian' plate that pushed out the Burma plate that started the whole mess.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 6 2005, 09:21 PM

Just when you think the man has grown some spine.. Flush.gif

Posted by: Pathmarajah Jan 6 2005, 09:46 PM

This is the other story that must be told. Not every part of India is shining; this is the 'Shameless India' from the past still lingering. But its nothing a bit more heat wont correct. Caveats: Sevai is a christian NGO. Dont know if the meenavars are Hindu or christian. It could be a christian vs christian thing. Pathma THE INDIAN EXPRESS, JANUARY 7, 2005 Tsunami can’t wash this away: hatred for Dalits In Ground Zero, Dalits thrown out of relief camps, cut out of food, water supplies, toilets, NGOs say they will start separate facilities. JANYALA SREENIVAS Posted online: Friday, January 07, 2005 at 0058 hours IST NAGAPATTINAM, JANUARY 6: There's something even an earthquake measuring 9 on the Richter scale and a tsunami that kills over 1 lakh people can’t crack: the walls between caste. That’s why at Ground Zero in Nagapattinam, Murugeshan and his family of four have been living on the streets in Nambiarnagar. That’s why like 31 other families, they have been thrown out of relief camps. That’s why they are hounded out of schools they have sneaked into, they are pushed to the rear of food and water lines, given leftovers, not allowed to use toilets or even drink water provided by a UN agency. That’s why some NGOs are setting up separate facilities for them. Because they are all Dalits. They are survivors from 63 damaged villages—30 of them flattened—all marooned in their own islands, facing the brunt of a majority of fishermen who are from the Meenavar community—listed in official records as Most Backward Class (MBC)—for whom Dalits are still untouchable. The Indian Express toured the camps to find an old story of caste hatred being replayed in camp after camp: • In the GVR Marriage Hall Relief Camp, Dalits cannot drink water from tanks put up by UNICEF. The Meenavars say they ‘‘pollute’’ the water. • In the Nallukadai Street Relief Camp, a Meenavar Thalaivar, or leader, grabbed all cartons of glucose biscuits delivered by a Coimbatore NGO. The Dalits were told: these are not for you. • At Puttur Relief Camp, the Meenavars have hoarded family relief kits, rice packets, new clothes and other relief material. When the Dalits asked for some, they paid a heavy price—they had to spend the night on the road. • At the Neelayadatchi Temple Camp, Dalits are not allowed inside the temple, especially when rice and cash doles are being handed out. • Dalits from three villages taking shelter at Ganapati cinema hall in Tharambagadi are thrown out every night because the Meenavar fisherwomen say they did not ‘‘feel safe’’ falling sleep with Dalits around. • So 32 ostracised Dalit families took shelter in the GRM girls’ school in Thanjavur. But four days ago, even the school asked them to vacate saying it was due to re-open. Those doing the discriminating brush all this aside. Says Chellayya, a Meenavar fisherman at a Tharambagadi camp: ‘‘These Dalits have been playing mischief, going back to the villages and looting houses. That’s why we don’t want them around here.’’ To which Dalit activist K Darpaya says: ‘‘What’s left in the houses for Dalits to take? And where will they keep the loot even if we assume they have taken something? In the relief camps? On the road side?’’ There’s an irony here. For, the district administration and relief agencies have to depend on the strong network of Meenavar fishermen to disburse aid and relief. But so rampant has the discrimination become that relief in-charge for Nagapattinam district Shantasheela Nayar, Secretary, Rural Development, is deputing District Adi Dravidar Welfare Officers to relief camps. ‘‘They will look into the problem and report back on what can be done to put an end to this. We certainly do not discriminate but if the fishermen themselves are doing it because of their local status, what can the government do?’’ says Nayar. Talk to some of the victims and instead of bitterness and anger, there is grief and helplessness. ‘‘In Nagapattinam, three relief camps we went to denied us shelter saying they had no space. At the Nataraja Damayanti high school, the watchman refused to let us in,’’ says Murugeshan. At first, the families did not understand why but as door after door slammed in their faces, it became clearer. They approached their local municipal councillor K Tilagar. ‘‘He assured us we would be given shelter soon but he disappeared,’’ says another survivor Anjamma. In the neighbouring GVR camp, Dalit fishermen said they are being nudged out of relief and compensation queues. ‘‘We are inside the camp but kept in the far corner. Whenever officials and trucks come to give food, we are left out because nobody allows us to get near the trucks. Some men form a ring around us and prevent us from moving ahead in the queue,’’ says Saravanan, a Dalit survivor. ‘‘The Meenavars are more privileged as they get to sleep inside the rooms and are first to receive food and water. We have to sleep outside in the verandahs or in the open ground,’’ says Jivanana. Kesavan, a Dalit of Nambiarnagar, says he was prevented from drinking water from a plastic tank put up in the hamlet on Monday. ‘‘We are forced to bring water in plastic cans from outside the village. The Collector’s office has put up the tank here and provides clean water but it is not for us,’’ he says. V Vanitha, a Class X Dalit student, says adolescent girls are prevented from using toilet areas at Tharambagadi. ‘‘Small children have no problem but it is an ordeal for us. There are no toilets here and they prevent us from going to the area which serves as an open toilet,’’ she says. Says activist Darpaya: ‘‘Dalits are not allowed to drink water from tanks put up by UNICEF. Even in relief camps, Meenavars don’t want to sit with Dalits and have food. Some of them manage to get rice but other relief items coming in like biscuit packets, milk powder and family household kits are denied to Dalits.’’ Says M Jayanthi, a coordinator of South Indian Fishworkers Society (SIFS): ‘‘Dalits are facing discrimination in all relief camps where they are present. But society does not want to raise the issue as it would complicate things further. Without making it public, we are opening separate facilities for Dalits exclusively,’’ she says. Sevai, an NGO-based in Karaikal, Pondicherry, 20 kms from Nagapattinam, is the first organisation to address the issue. Coordinator R Indrani says: ‘‘Since Dalits are not receiving sufficient food and water, we have started cooking for them in separate kitchens. They come from wherever they are taking shelter and we provide them whatever they want. We are also considering separate camps for them.’’ Several NGOs which noticed the problem raised the issue during their meeting with District Collector M Veerashanmugha Moni. ‘‘But no one is willing to take up the matter at the field level as this could complicate things. We don’t want friction between the two castes by trying to address it during this crisis,’’ says the team leader of NGO Accord, which is working among Dalits.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 6 2005, 10:11 PM

Somehow I forgot to post this..

Posted by: Pathmarajah Jan 7 2005, 01:13 AM

Beliefnet Folks, this article appeared on Beliefnet. Beliefnet is the most popular (it terms of traffic) religion site in the world. A request from Arun Venuggopal--the author of the beliefnet article: "One problem with mainstream sites like Beliefnet is that the editors are convinced that articles about religions like Hinduism - while significant - simply do not draw that many readers. And there's obviously truth in that - look at how only three people have posted comments. I ask that if you have any comments - positive or negative, but more importantly, informative - please post them to the side of the article. It's easy enough to register, and free. So if you can encourage some others to do this as well - perhaps friends or those on your mailing list - it will help ensure that Hinduism gets covered adequately in the future." So folks please go and comment on the site and encourage young Hindu writers. Regards. Pathma God's Wrath in India? Hindu resentment over Christian activity in India fuels religious explanations of tsunami tragedy. By Arun Venugopal As the world attempts to tackle the tragedy in South Asia, the focus for the vast majority of South Asians has been on relief. But the tsunami has also magnified already-existing tensions between Hindus, Christians and others in the devastated region. In India--a country often seen as a spiritual battleground, where religions fight over the souls of the poor and dispossessed--some conservative Hindus have used the tsunami to criticize both a Hindu leader's arrest and the presence of Christian missionaries in India. Meanwhile, evangelical Christian groups may proselytize as they help tsunami victims. Click to learn more... Last week, a column on the widely-read Indian news site suggested that the tsunami was a sign of retribution against Christians, whose activities are seen as betraying India's essentially Hindu character. (Full disclosure: I work for a publication owned by, and my articles occasionally appear on Rediff.) Columnist Rajeev Srinivasan pointed to several religion-related factors he sees as pertinent. Referring to the earthquake as the "Christmas quake," he implied that the timing wasnít mere coincidence. He also noted that the tsunami hit a church at Velankanni, one of the most significant Christian pilgrimage points in South India, resulting in the death of 50 people. Finally, he connected the tragedy to what many see as the recent mistreatment of a revered Hindu leader. In November, a holy man known formally as Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi was arrested in connection with the murder of a former official of his religious order. Hindus around the world decried the arrest, even organizing mass email petitions maintaining that the entire affair was politically motivated and related to a longstanding fight with the current head of the state government of Tamil Nadu, where the most tsunami-related deaths later occurred. Before long, the Shankaracharya's sympathizers had solidified their opinion that anti-Hindu forces were to blame, with some going so far as to point fingers at the Vatican. For Srinivasan, the Shankaracharya's arrest seemed the most plausible explanation for the subsequent disaster. "The devastation by the tsunami in Tamil Nadu, could it be a caveat from Up There about the atrocities being visited on the [Shankaracharya]?" he asked. "About adharma"--evil--"gaining ground?" In summarizing, he wrote, "It is said that the very elements can be affected by the mystical powers of sages who have acquired superhuman powers through meditation and sadhana. I think we should all tread carefully, for now we are treading on things we do not know." Srinivasan's comments may seem like isolated rants--and even many of his longtime readers rejected them--but other groups have echoed his feelings. The Kanchi Kamakoti Seva Foundation, which defends the Shankaracharya, recently sent an email to its supporters linking the tsunami to the holy man's arrest. The email says "God has given a strong signal with this disaster when the injustice to Dharmic followers have crossed the tolerance limit." It instructs readers to pray that the tsunami will be "an eye-opener for the Tamil Nadu Administration and for the media to stop abusing their powers and bring out false charges against H.H. [His Holiness]." Most Hindus find the "act of God" tsunami theories irrelevant, if not offensive. "Such a controversy, if at all there is one, is a product of some small minds," said Gaurang Vaishnav of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America, one of many Hindu organizations in the United States that has rallied to aid the victims. "Hindus do not believe in a vindictive God. There are always actions and reactions in accordance with the theory of karma. But to attribute a wholesale destruction and death of thousands of innocent people to a single act of a state government is ridiculous, insensitive and insulting to human compassion that crosses the boundaries of religion at times of natural disasters." Another Hindu group, the reformist Navya Shastra, issued a press release condemning Hindu organizations that have bought into the act-of-God view, comparing their remarks to those of Christian leaders like Jerry Falwell. While acknowledging, like Vaishnav, that karma could have played a role in the deaths, the group, made of Hindu scholars, practitioners and priests outside India, suggested that it was more important to focus on helping survivors than trying to explain why the disaster happened. Such act-of-God charges also tap into larger Hindu resentment over the notion that traditional Hindu culture is giving way to forces such as Western materialism or other faiths. Opposition to Christian missionary work and the conversion of Dalits, or low-caste Hindus, is not confined to Hindu nationalists. Many people react negatively to the idea that some of India's tribal peoples may be exposed to the Bible even as they are taught how to read, or may take on a Christian name. The state of Tamil Nadu has special significance for many Hindus. It was there that a controversial Anti-Conversion Bill was passed in 2002, meant to prevent poor Hindus from being forcibly converted to Christianity, especially via financial inducements. Christian leaders have denied offering such inducements. But some mission groups see tsunami relief efforts as an opportunity to spread the gospel in South Asia. In an article on the evangelical website, Dr. Ajith Fernando of Youth for Christ was quoted as saying, "We have prayed and wept for our nation for many years. The most urgent of my prayers has always been that my people would turn to Jesus. I pray that this terrible, terrible tragedy might be used by God to break through into the lives of many of our people." Another evangelist, Gospel for Asia's K.P. Yohannan, said, "In times like these, we know that God opens the hearts of those who suffer, and we pray that as our workers demonstrate God's love to them, many of them will come to know for the first time that real security comes only through Him." The statements were immediately distributed to watchful Hindus through the e-mail news digest Hindu Press International ("Christians See Conversion Opportunities in Disaster Relief"), a service from the publishers of the U.S. magazine Hinduism Today. For some Hindus, the Christian call to evangelize was expected, and served to favorably contrast Hinduismís non-proselytization with what they consider the insidious nature of certain Christian groups. "You will not find an RSS or VHP volunteer converting a non-Hindu to Hindu Dharma after helping him in his time of need," said Gaurang Vaishnav. "This is the true meaning of seva"--service in the spirit of sacrifice--"to a Hindu." However, these same Hindu aid groups are themselves under scrutiny. An email distributed by the leftist group Campaign to Stop Funding Hate told Indians interested in donating to disaster victims to avoid Hindu groups such as the Rashtriya Swayam Sevak (RSS), Seva International and the VHP of America. These organizations, says CSFH, have a history of using grassroots efforts to advance a militant Hindu political agenda. According to Kaushik Ghosh, an anthropologist at the University of Texas, they may create organizational bases, increase membership, establish political legitimacy or fundraise. "During [2001's] Gujarat earthquake, the amount of money that flew into these organizations was unbelievable," said Ghosh. "The accounting of such money is relatively murky ...NGOs and relief-development work can become the source of money for a whole range of 'behind-the-camera' projects." For its part, the VHPA states, "funds for relief work are distributed without consideration of province, race or religion." Despite the religious struggles in the press and among advocacy groups, the interfaith situation appears to be more positive on the ground, where aid groups and neighbors are working together to help survivors. One Indian blogger, Amit Varma, reported a growing friendship between local people of different faiths responding to the devastation. While spending time in the village of Parangipettai, in Tamil Nadu, Varma wrote, "A deep bond had been formed between the villagers, who were all Hindus, and these Muslim men who rushed to help their neighbours because they believed that to be the way of their religion. ...Faith, that can be so divisive in times of peace, can also bring communities together in times of strife."

Posted by: Mudy Jan 7 2005, 09:02 AM

Where are the Arabs? One does not get an impression that Arabs are benevolent people. They have billions of dollars. But most monies go to build palaces and printing free Quran booklets. None goes into other worthy causes. Most of the destruction has happened in a Muslim country of Indonesia. Still a paltry sum has been promised by Arab Kingdoms. They should remember that all their oil wealth passes thru the narrow straits of Indonesia and Singapore. Indonesia’s lack of co-operation in movement of this commerce will jeopardize their wealth.
Any contribution news from so called Islamic World? Where is OIC?

Posted by: acharya Jan 7 2005, 09:02 AM

India's untouchables forced out of relief camps 2 hours, 7 minutes ago KESHVANPALAYAM, India (AFP) - India's untouchables, reeling from the tsunami disaster, are being forced out of relief camps by higher caste survivors and being denied aid supplies, activists charged. Kuppuswamy Ramachandran, 32, a Dalit or untouchable in India's rigid caste hierarchy, said he and his family were told to leave a relief camp in worst-hit Nagapattinam district where 50 more families were housed. "The higher caste fishing community did not allow us to sleep in a marriage hall where they are put up because we belong to the lowest caste," Ramachandran said. "After three days we were moved out to a school but now the school is going to reopen within three days and the teachers drove us out," he said. "Where will I take my family and children? The school had no lights, toilets or drinking water," available for the displaced. More than 6,000 people died when tsunamis struck this southern Indian coastal district on December 26 and activists said that included 81 Dalits, who were daily wage earners working in agricultural lands. The ferocious wall of sea water destroyed swathes of farm land and the Dalits no longer have any employment. At Keshvanpalayam, the Dalits had only flattened homes to show while survivors elsewhere enjoyed relief supplies such as food, medicines, sleeping mats and kerosene. No government official or aid has flowed into the village which houses 83 Dalit families more than 30 kilometres (20 miles) from Nagapattinam town. Cranes and bulldozers cleared the debris of a neighbouring fishing community, but they are yet to reach the Dalit village. Chandra Jayaram, 35, who lost her husband to the tsunamis, said her family has not received promised government compensation of 100,000 rupees (2,174 dollars). "At the relief camps we are treated differently due to our social status. We are not given relief supplies. The fishing community told us not to stay with them. The government says we will not be given anything as we are not affected much," Jayaram said. S. Karuppiah, field coordinator with the Human Rights Forum for Dalit Liberation, said in some of the villages the dead bodies of untouchables were removed with reluctance. "The Dalit villages are in most places proving to be the preferred choice of the fishing community to bury the dead. If the Dalits ask for relief materials the government says they can only give the leftovers," Karuppiah said. "The government is turning a blind eye," he said. "When Dalits bury the dead they are not given gloves or medicines but only alcohol to forget the rotten stench." Another activist, Mahakrishnan Marimuthu, who heads the non-governmental Education and Handicraft Training Trust, said tsunamis dealt a double blow to the caste. "They lost their jobs, houses and relatives. On the other hand the social discrimination is proving to be worse," he said. The government denied the allegations and said it was providing relief to every tsunami-affected family. "There is no intention of closing down any camps and we are providing relief to each and every family. We will provide temporary shelters as these relief camps are getting overcrowded," said Veerashanmugha Moni, Nagapattinam's senior government administrator. The United Nations (news - web sites) Children's Fund UNICEF (news - web sites) said government, relief agencies and aid workers did not discriminate against the Dalits but the caste issue always exists. "All the aid going in is distributed the same way to all survivors. The social discrimination has been there during normal times," said Amudha, who heads a team of UNICEF volunteers in Nagapattinam. "After the disaster happened it is still continuing. That is nothing new," she said. Vijaya Lakshmi, spokeswoman for South India Federation of Fishermen Societies, agreed and said one could not wish away a centuries-old caste system when a disaster struck. "If they (Dalits) are comfortable by staying separate they will," she said.

Posted by: Mudy Jan 7 2005, 09:08 AM

India's untouchables forced out of relief camps
This is happening when so called secular govt is in power and catholics and commies are its leader. ohmy.gif AP - Catholic-Reddy/Congress-Sonia is in power Kerala - Commies are in power TN- Secular Jaya in Power and commies are in opposition. ohmy.gif

Posted by: LSrini Jan 7 2005, 09:39 AM

India's untouchables forced out of relief camps
This might be the missionaries at work. Take/Rake up the dalit issue as a Hindu problem (essentially caused due to TN govt) and use it for conversion measures around the country. (Get a national newspaper to cover it. They probably know that Indian express would cover a problem like this).

Posted by: Sunder Jan 7 2005, 09:46 AM Emerging from an hour-long meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa told reporters in Chennai that she made a special request to the prime minister for assistance to construct a wall along the 1076-km coastline from Chennai to Kanyakumari.unsure.gif The chief minister said the prime minister indicated that the Centre would consider seeking a loan from the World Bank or the Asian Development Bank for the purpose. The assistance for the proposed wall, Jayalalithaa said, will be in addition to the Rs 4,800 crore sought by the state government to "cope with" the massive damage caused in the December 26 tsunami.

Posted by: Pathmarajah Jan 7 2005, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (ramana @ Jan 4 2005, 12:18 AM)
Its worth taking a look at Sanskrit and Sangam literature and epics to reeavlaute the Tsunami references in the past. I wonder if Ilagovan's 'Slippadikaram' is really a tsunami being described.
Dear Ramana, If you are still around, here is some input on what you asked about. Does Illango's Sillapadhikaram refer to a tsunami? If I remember the lines it goes like this : paQRuLi aaRum panmalai adukkattu kumarik kooduG kodumazai koLLa' Here we have 'kodu mazai' a terrible rain. Can this be a Tsunami? I am not sure. However this account of immensely heavy and destructive rain agrees with the account of Deluge in the Sumerian texts where it is said a heavy downpour (amarau) that lasted for seven days and nights. The word for deluge is 'amaru' which is also used to describe a waterfall and hence a heavy downpour from the heavens. Dr. Loga end Friends, “Kalithokai” refers to the great deluge and of establishing new settlement of “Kavatapuram” by those escaping the floods. Valmiki too in Kishkinda Kanda describes Kavatapuram as an area of thorny bushes in Sugreevavakyam. Mahavamsa of Sreelanka also describes the deluges. Panini mentions Eindravyakaram as given in Tholkapiium whereas the latter does not mention anything about Panini, showing the period of Tholkappium before Panini or before 500B.C. or so. Tholkappium states of Aryans coming to Southern India to observe the dravida civilisation. However, Thirukkural of later period reveals the influence of Aryan culture in the South. “Society” in Tholkappium states of Dravidian system without any Caste system or Varnasramam. While war between Kingdoms allowed lifting away women and cattle, according to Tholkappium, soldiers were allowed to take away cattle only by stealth Silappadhikaram is of a much later period and does not mention of the great deluges of 6750 BCE that devoured major part of Kumarikandom of of 3150 BCE coinciding with start of Kali Yuga and Krishna's swargarohana when major geological changes took place including the mighty Saraswathi river disappearing from Rajastahna and Gujarat, and joining Yamuna. GP Kesava Pillai

Posted by: ramana Jan 7 2005, 09:56 AM

The coastal wall should be called Jaya's Great Wall. Is she serious? The tsunami is a rare extreme probability event and she wants to build a wall? Maybe she did not pay attention at Church Park Convent to English poetry class- King Canute and the waves? And she wants assitance from the Center? Otherwise what will she do? Put the rest of the Shankaracharyas in jail?

Posted by: acharya Jan 7 2005, 10:18 AM

India Top Stories - Reuters Guru teaches tsunami survivors art of living Fri Jan 7, 8:05 AM ET By Terry Friel NAGAPATTINAM, India (Reuters) - Most of the tsunami survivors crammed into the Hindu temple in southern India had no idea who the man in the long white shirt and flowing black beard was. Even after he had been and gone. "He is a god, come to help us," said one toothless old man on Friday, holding up a photo of Sri Sri Ravishankar, a millionaire Indian lifestyle guru who is donating millions to help victims of the Dec. 26 tsunami in India and Sri Lanka. "I have no idea who he is," said M. Aravalli, clutching her own portrait of Ravishankar in the temple compound now housing hundreds of survivors. "He is some kind of priest or something." Ravishankar is a modern day spiritual guru attracting crowds with his tension-busting breathing technique and a "don't worry, be happy" recipe for living. One Indian magazine once described him as "the guru of the glitterati". He styles himself as the guru of happiness and has been dubbed "the fastest growing guru in the marketplace of happiness" by news magazine India Today. The tsunami, which killed more than 15,000 people in India and more than 150,000 from Asia to Africa, has prompted an outpouring of sympathy in disaster-fatigued India, a country that has lost thousands to earthquakes, floods and communal violence in recent years. Aid, volunteers and money are pouring into the worst hit areas on the southern coast and in the far eastern Andaman and Nicobar islands from individuals, companies and religious and community groups. Ravishankar's Art of Living Foundation says it is donating 1.5 billion rupees to victims in India and Sri Lanka and has offered to adopt all children under 16 and widows in one village near the city of Madras. It is not clear if India's strict adoption laws will allow that. MEDITATION FOR SURVIVORS The foundation has already started free 15-minute Art of Living meditation courses for survivors in six refugee camps on the Andaman and Nicobar islands, which lie closer to Myanmar and Indonesia than to the Indian mainland. "We are having a tremendous response. The ... inmates are clamouring for courses of a longer duration," said Rajesh Puria, a volunteer in Port Blair, the islands' capital. Ravishankar, flanked by dozens of disciples dressed all in white, visited the temple in the southern state of Tamil Nadu for just a few minutes on Friday, creating possibly the closest thing to a celebrity event in this town few in the world had heard of until the Dec. 26 tragedy. "He just came and looked around," said N. Bhaskar, a 36-year-old fisherman. "His disciples taught the children some songs for a while. And they gave some biscuits to a few people. But not many." Ravishankar's followers also handed out pink paper tokens which they said could be redeemed for aid later, when they come back. While some complained there was more fanfare and hype than real help in the visit, C. Kanagi said the visit had helped her. "I feel better now," she said, smiling. "With god's will, we can do anything." Ravishankar was also due to visit more refugees in the devastated beachside area, where about 6,000 people died. But he cancelled at the last minute because his car could not get close enough and he did not want to walk through dusty streets in the fierce tropical heat, where the stench of rotting bodies still chokes the throat.

Posted by: acharya Jan 7 2005, 10:45 AM

South Asia - AFP AFP India proud to stand alone to face up to tsunami tragedy Fri Jan 7, 4:38 AM ET Add to My Yahoo! South Asia - AFP NEW DELHI (AFP) - India's go-it-alone relief policy, despite a bill for billions of dollars from the tsunami devastation, showcases its new strength and determination to be recognised as an economic power, analysts say. The federal government on Friday increased by more than 400 million dollars its estimate of damage on the mainland to 1.60 billion dollars. While an official survey continues on the battered Andaman and Nicobar Islands, reports put the cost there at nearly 600 million dollars. Financial compensation due to be handed over to relations of the dead is estimated at over one billion rupees (23 million dollars). The wreckage from the tsunami comes on top of losses suffered by farmers on account of delayed monsoon rains but analysts say these will only be a blip for an economy that recorded 8.2 percent growth last year. "This can be easily managed by the Indian government. We have come a long way since the time when India would always stand with a begging bowl in hand when a natural calamity would strike," said Saumitra Chowdhary, chief economic advisor in credit-rating agency ICRA. More than three billion rupees (70 million dollars) have poured into the Prime Minister's relief fund alone since Manmohan Singh appealed to the one billion plus population for donations for tsunami survivors. Almost 10,000 people have been confirmed dead and 5,689 remain missing from the December 26 disaster. The government has earmarked five billion rupees (113 million dollars) from its coffers on top of the donations for relief operations as well as funds being collected by independent non-governmental agencies and state governments. "(The) Indian people have opened their hearts for the tsunami victims. It means the financial burden on the government will be much less than the estimated damages," said D.H. Pai Panandikar, economist with the R.P. Goenka Foundation, a private think-tank. "It is the right time we should have got rid of the aid mentality. Other countries have also come to realise that India can now stand on its own, not only economically but also to cope with a disaster," Panandikar added. India has mounted its biggest-ever peace-time relief operation, despatched over 4,000 troops to disaster-hit areas, airdropped food to isolated spots and sent navy ships carrying hundreds of tonnes of aid. New Delhi has also despatched vessels to Indonesia, Maldives and Sri Lanka besides announcing relief packages for Thailand. India has also joined the United States, Australia and Japan in coordinating UN relief efforts for victims of the tsunami in Asia. "We are capable of doing this. After 50 years of independence from the British, if we can't manage a localised natural calamity with our army, navy and airforce, who else will," said Chowdhary of ICRA. India's central bank said the disaster would not impede growth for the year which is projected at 6.0 to 6.5 percent but admitted there could be a slight fall in total exports. The pressure on bank borrowings would also not strain the system, it added. Central bank governor Y.V. Reddy said the disaster has so far had no apparent impact on the financial markets, especially the money markets which are crucial in determining interest and forex rates. The Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), the main industry body, said a poll of chief executives of various firms showed they expect the growth momentum to be maintained. "The state of the Indian economy is quite encouraging," CII deputy director general Ajay Khanna said. "India has become a favoured investment destination. Foreign direct investment rose by 26.83 percent to 2.04 billion dollars in the first half of this fiscal year," he added.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 7 2005, 11:01 AM

User Parsuram had this to say on newshopper..

When I made my comment I had not seen the report. The reporter Janyala Shrinivas is notorious for making up stories and giving twisted interpretation not warranted by facts. He is Chief Reporter with Ahmedabad edition of Indian Express.A few years back during severe water shortage in Gujarat he filed a report from a village in Saurashtra with an arresting photo of a woman lowering herself into a deep well to get water from its bottom. Like this one that was a frontpage report which forced followup from TV channels and other newspapers. The villagers had a good laugh as that well was not in use; it was well-served by water tankers. Janyala had paid money to the woman to give that pause.To get re-shot the woman asked to be paid for the task like she was for the first time. He has such a criminal attitude to reporting that he will do anything to be on the front page. Iam struck by the following incongruites in the report: 1.The dalit women do not look like they are subjected to insults or are in dire need of food. 2. The community which is supposed to discriminate against them is itself low caste and this class of people do not practise untouchability in any part of India. 3.At worst you can say that the fisherman caste is stubbornly insisting on recreating their exclusive mohallas in the relief camps. All villagers feel comfortable with their on kind and this applies to dalit villagers as well.It is not in village culture hate one another. 4.The NGOs aranging for dalit relief camps are not identiofied. But they will surely be Christian. They can exclusively focuss for conversion in an exclusive camp and camouflage the sinister design on false allegation of high-caste hatred. Since when highcaste engage in catching fish? When writer has a historysheet like Janyala's, it safer to presume that it is not the route to truth but route to frontpage display.He has succedded for himslef but failed the readers.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 7 2005, 11:03 AM

CHENNAI, JAN. 6. The All-India Catholic Union has urged the State Government to constitute a steering committee consisting of representatives of all religions and non-governmental organisations to oversee relief operations in tsunami-hit areas. "People's participation is essential in any relief measure. Politicisation of relief administration should stop," said John Dayal, union president, after a three-day tour of the affected areas in Nagapattinam, Cuddalore and Chennai districts. Aid was not adequate and available immediately. Those who needed relief were yet to get any help while middlemen were taking advantage of the situation. Citing the example of Velankanni, a coastal town in Nagapattinam district, he said the Government machinery was "cornering" all the aid coming for victims at the church, saying it would distribute the relief materials on its own. "It seems the State Government wants to take all the credit," he said. Dr. Dayal said several Dalits found it difficult to register themselves at relief camps. So, the Government should take urgent steps to ensure that they were given relief and rehabilitation. Besides, it should defuse tension that was growing between fisherfolk and Dalits over the administration of relief. Sunil Sardar, president, Truth-Seekers International, said the authorities should not close down the relief camps at schools on the ground that schools had to be reopened.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 7 2005, 11:04 AM

Posted by: LSrini Jan 7 2005, 03:12 PM

Disaster must be turned into opportunity: PM Chennai, Jan. 7 (PTI): Assuring Tamil Nadu that the Centre would provide all effective and necessary measures to help post-tidal wave rehabilitation, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, today said the disaster must be converted into an opportunity to rebuild coastal economies in the affected areas. "We must convert this disaster into an opportunity to rebuild and modernise the fishing and coastal economies in the affected areas", the Prime Minister told Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa, during an hour-long meeting here. Welcoming induction of new technology for better boats and safer housing along with coastline, Singh said the Tsunami Early Warning System would be put in place, PMO spokesman Sanjaya Baru, told reporters. While immediate priorities were on temporary housing, medicines and restarting their livelihood, the long-term measures include permanent housing and modern harbour and jetties, Singh said. The Prime Minister said a Central team has been sent to the State and the Centre would examine the report and provide all necessary assistance. The Prime Minister said the Government and people must think creatively in offering ideas to deal with such natural disasters and that short-term measures would be put into operation in the next one week. He said when rehabilitation takes place, the emphasis would be given to the fishing community which had borne the brunt of the tsunami waves. Singh drove straight from the airport to Raj Bhawan where the Chief Minister Jayalalithaa called on him. The Prime Minister will be calling on ailing DMK Chief K Karunanidhi, and also have meetings with Pondicherry Chief Minister Rangaswamy, MDMK leader Vaiko, and Tamil Nadu Congress leaders during his stay here. He will visit Andaman and Nicobar islands tomorrow which had been devastated by the tsunami waves on December 26.
Tsunami: TN proposes Rs 5000 cr wall
Exactly what Jaya was trying to do when she suggested to build a useless Rs 5000 cr wall... make some money using this disaster.

Posted by: narayanan Jan 7 2005, 03:26 PM

A sea wall is basically piles of boulders. It does prevent a lot of erosion, and except for the tsunamis in the 99th percentile, it should stop most damage and loss of life on land. Not a bad investment, long-term - but they should really build it a mile offshore, maybe.

Posted by: Naresh Jan 7 2005, 06:53 PM

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Posted by: G.Subramaniam Jan 7 2005, 09:29 PM

Dailypioneer Mafia penetration alarms CPM Pioneer News Service/ Kolkata Bolshevism has elapsed into felony; nothing remains of the communists save the tag, secret reports prepared on an army of influential local leaders say so. Secret because open allegation may lead to physical annihilation. That is the state of the powerful North 24 Parganas district committee of the ruling CPI-M, led amongst others by Marxist honcho Subhash Chakroborty, whose name has repeatedly been associated with sleaze racket accused Avtaar Singh and dreaded contract killer Haath Kata Dilip. Mr Chakroborty has yet another claim to fame: He has an illustrious mentor in communist patriarch Jyoti Basu whose singular appeal last time saw party candidate Amitabha Nandy win from the Dum Dum constituency defeating the BJP's Tapan Sikdar in the general elections. The secret report - vindicating the long-raised Nationalist Trinamool Congress contention - forwarded to the State committee alleges, a host of party leaders have earned disrepute for sustaining the builder-mafia nexus through out Kolkata. "A number of these leaders have risen to the level of local and zone secretaries," - formidable posts that can change the course of district administration's action - the report says, adding, when the top leaders ask the rank and file to confirm the allegations most of them do but refuse to give a thing in writing for the fear of being bumped off. Character is the first casualty of enjoying absolute power for decades, party insiders hitherto sidelined for raising objections to the wayward conduct of the leaders feel. According to reports the State leadership has received, at least 140 complaints against the local leaders who can influence the decision of even the District Magistrate or Superintendent of Police. Such is the situation that giving protection to contract killers has become a small thing and the leaders-turned-self-seekers have started making tens of crores from providing active help to the builder lobby by helping them encroach upon wetlands - incidentally the area has eco-friendly Ramasar site listed wetlands - "and grabbing lands from the feeble and widows," insiders say. While the State leaders refused to comment on the stated reports, some of them referred to former Chief Minister Jyoti Basu's statement asking party workers to come back to track or face expulsion. "You can expel some but you cannot expel bunches of them because they have all these years been used for garnering votes," a sidelined old timer said, adding the party has however, expelled around 300 workers found guilty of corrupt practices

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Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 8 2005, 08:29 PM

TOI's Chiddu is also ranting why India refused aid. What BS .. I was listening to NPR yesterday and they were interviewing a guy who is going to head the UN effort. He specifically mentioned NGOs are a big problem. One specific thing I remember is that NGOs try to come out with big bangs in the beginning but after the initial hysteria they leave causing even more problems. He said TB medicines if not administered for 9 months continuosly cause the germs to get resistant to those medicines and will not work in the future. Not to mention all the whining about not getting daily blowjob, blah, blah, blah.. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Posted by: Pathmarajah Jan 9 2005, 01:16 AM

Perhaps it should be in the history folder. For Ramana. (images and map on link is a must see) Catastrophes of the past: poetic exaggeration or scientific facts? TamilNet, January 07, 2005 20:19 GMT To the ancient Tamil world natural calamities like the tsunami that hit the east coast on 26 December 2004 is not unknown,î says professor A.Shanmugathas, head of the department of Tamil, Jaffna University. The Sangam Literature, which is more than 2000 years old, makes reference to similar natural catastrophes (perooly) that have affected the Tamil speaking world - spreading from Cape Comarin in the South to the Vindian ranges in the North. "The history records it that tidal destruction (Kadatkol) has occurred from time to time and these facts are established by the archeological excavations. They are not imaginary accounts," he adds. This is supported by modern scientific theories. Professor Karsten M. Storetvedt, Geophysics Institute, University of Bergen Professor Karsten M. Storetvedt, the chair in geomagnetism at the University of Bergen, Norway, and an author of the Global Wrench Theory (GWT), says that the equator regions have always been most prone to natural catastrophes like earthquakes and volcano eruptions. A part of explanation is that planet rotation and especially the difference in rotation speed between poles and equator force earth mantel to strain and to break more easily where the strain is strongest, that is at the equator regions. These tectonic processes played important role in the disappearance of the ancient continent known as Lemuria to western scholars. Sri Lanka together with India, Indonesia and Malaysia were a part of this continent. Many islands in the Pacific and Indian oceans are remnants of this continent that in ancient time covered the whole area of today's ocean. Storetvedt, who seems to reject the theory of continental drift and plate tectonics, says that descriptions of cataclysms in early literature when land suddenly went underwater are logical. But they should be proven to be scientific facts. This can be done with the help of sea-floor analysis that is possible to carry out. Modern theories find supportive evidences both in ancient literature and language history. Professor A.Shanmugathas The continent of Lemuria is referred as "Kumari Kandam" in ancient Tamil literature. Tamil is one of the world's classical languages. Tamil has continuous historical records for more than 2000 years and Tamil language was recognized as a classical language in India (beside the other being Sanscrit). Tamil does not belong to the Indo-European language family. "One can imagine the strength and magnitude of the Tidal wave required to devour a mountainous area that had existed in the ancient coastal belt of the Tamil world," says professor Shanmugathas. He also refers to records in Mahavansa, the buddhist chronicle of Sri Lanka. The ancient Kumari Kandam drawn with the background-knoweldge gathered from the literature references. Courtesy: Gems from the Pre Historic Past Dr. A.Velupillai, Department of Religious Studies, Arizona State University. References in Tamil records speak about devouring of landmass by the sea (kadatkol). "The earliest connected account about kadatkol occurs in the commentary on Iraiyanar akapporul," says Dr. A. Velupillai, department of religious studies, Arizona State University. Tamil poets were lamenting about "kadatkol" (devouring of the land by the sea) so often that scholars found it difficult to explain these references of devouring the land mass with towns and villages by the sea, as it appeared to have been highly improbable within the Indian Ocean area, where no similar events were recorded in the last few centuries. "Even though modern scholars date this commentary to the eighth century CE, the tale refers to three Tamil academies which existed for almost ten thousand years," Veluppillai adds. It is believed by some Tamil scholars that the first academy existed at southern Maturai and was terminated by sea devouring the city. The Pandya king established a second academy at Kapadapuram. Again, the sea devoured the city. The Pandya king established the third academy in present Maturai (far away from sea coast). "What is available now as Cankam literature is mentioned as productions of the third academy," says Velupillai. "The sea devouring entire sea coast cities in the Indian Ocean area was something that many modern scholars dismissed as unrealistic. It now appears very probable that this tale about devouring of land by the sea, is not just a legend, as some modern scholars surmised," he says. Professor S.K. Sittampalam "Tamils have by long historical tradition associated themselves with the sea. 'Cross the seas and make the fortunes' (Thirai Kadal Odiyum Thiraviam Thedu) is a motto of the ancient Tamils who were driven to make wealth through sea trade," says professor Sittampalam, Dean of the faculty of advanced studies, University of Jaffna. "International trade ports are mentioned in the Sangam Literature in Tamil, as well as in Greek and Roman literatures. The Chola Empire had the most powerful Navy during its time. Even as late as in the period of 10th - 15th Century Tamil language was the language of sea trade in the Indian Ocean," says professor Sittampalam. "Tamils engaged in sea trade spread to other countries, especially in Asia and took along their culture and language. For example, there was found a 2000-years-old pot in Egypt that has Tamil letters on it. A 14th Century inscription was found in Galle, Sri Lanka, has inscriptions is in three languages: Tamil, Chinese and Persian". The Cilappatikaram and the Manimekalai, the two earliest epics/narrative poems in Tamil, both refer to a vast landmass that was swallowed by a "cataclysmic landslip" or "on-rush of the sea." These landslips have submerged vast territory that was called Kumai Nadu or Kumari Kandam, known also as Lemuria to western scholars. "Even though there is some controversy on the exact date of these works, certain inferences can be made. Large scale destruction by kadatkol seems to have made deep impressions to the Tamil psyche," says to Dr. Velupillai. The Manimekalai refers in graphic terms to the sea devouring Poompukar or Kavirippoompaddinam, the Chola capital, port and emporium of foreign trade. The New Indian Express of December 2002 published an article that Poompukar site could be the cradle of world civilization, mentioning discovery of archaeological remains of a port city under the sea and hypotheses of well-known scholars. "Reading this with the background of the magnificent description of the prosperity of this cosmopolitan port-city, it is possible now to visualize that a huge tragedy of that magnitude could have taken place," says Dr. Velupillai. Tamil scholars note that there have been at least three major floods according to the references they find in Tamil literature and vast part of ancient literature was lost as a result of such events. "Adiyarkkunallar, the medieval commentator to the Cilappatikaram, gives intriguing details about lands devoured by the sea. He mentions about Ezh Tenku nadu, Ezh Panai nadu, Ezh Kunakarai nadu, etc., listing seven such regions. As Ezh can mean 'seven', some later interpreters say that 49 regions (7 by 7) were devoured by the sea," says Veluppillai. Some Tamil historians argue that the political power of the Tamils diminished due to repeated re-locations and vast damage that was caused to the ancient Tamil homeland by the deluges. What we know of the antiquity of Tamil civilization seems to be top of an iceberg. More exciting and interesting prehistory of Tamils may emerge from the jolt applied by the tsunami. Scientific details relating to these catastrophic events, particularly the correlation of the available socio-anthropological knowledge from the Tamil literature with geological research is yet to be found or ascertained. There is ample scope for Tamil scholars, socio-anthropologists and geologists to do further research on these topics.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 9 2005, 01:56 PM

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 9 2005, 02:20 PM The nation is on the march baby... flex.gif I agree with Swapan. Indian society has to interact with Srilankan society. Methinks Sewa International should approach the tamils in the north and do some lasting work there. I think that would be a good move.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 10 2005, 01:24 AM

Considering that my state has been maligned for for too long by idiots from kinds of places, I hope nobody will mind if i get a little cocky here.. Go Gujjus Go .. rock.gif

Hundreds of volunteers and NGOs have come from practically every part of the country to lend a hand in the massive relief and rehabilitation exercise after the tsunami disaster. In Nagapattinam, at an NGO coordination centre set up in the District Collector's office, volunteers ensure that relief reaches everyone at the earliest. And the biggest help has come from Gujarat in terms of contributing food grains, clothes and other relief material. Swamped with work A large number of people from the state have come down to provide support to the victims of tsunami. "The Kutch earthquake created conditions for substantial NGO work. Large number of people worked there for months and developed a deep understanding of what happens during a disaster," said Vivekanandan, CEO, NGO coordination team. "In this cell we have a core group of people, who come from different places," added Vivekanandan. Doing the job Hundreds of these volunteers, both individual and professionals, have already seen tragedies of large magnitude including the Gujarat earthquake and the relief work post Godhra riots. They are the people who helped an economy get back on its feet twice. And not afraid to get their hands dirty, they are doing the maximum work in tsunami-hit regions as well. "We have been through many tragedies ourselves. We thought these people should not suffer like us, and so we here to help them get back on their feet," said Yograj, volunteer.

Posted by: Mudy Jan 10 2005, 08:10 AM

Hundreds of these volunteers, both individual and professionals, have already seen tragedies of large magnitude including the Gujarat earthquake and the relief work post Godhra riots. They are the people who helped an economy get back on its feet twice.
Gujjus are always ahead. Good human, hard working and excellent traders. No dispute here. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Administrator Jan 10 2005, 08:23 AM,_Wave_Rats_and_Whinos/26/ By Narayanan Komerath

Posted by: Pathmarajah Jan 10 2005, 08:47 AM

Now hold on there Gujjus, smile.gif See what the Sikhs are doing. 500 tons is quite bit from Sikhs in a small country like Malaysia. Pathma Malaysians Care: Global Sikhs rally to help out victims in Sumatra KUALA LUMPUR, JAN 6: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ An international Sikh effort to help tsunami victims in Lhokseumawe, Sumatra, spearheaded by a Malaysian Sikh organisation, will commence tomorrow. The first batch of 24 volunteers from Malaysia, United Kingdom and Canada will leave for the devastated town to render medical, engineering and logistical assistance. The Malaysian Sikh Youth Organisation initiative will include 10 doctors from Malaysia, who will leave from Langkawi with fellow volunteers. Malaysian Sikh Youth Organisation member Harvinder Singh said the team was going to Banda Aceh under the Global Sikhs flag. He said Malaysian volunteers had undergone basic training in psychology, first aid and survival skills. "We want to go there and help the people who have lost almost everything," he said, adding that members had to be mentally prepared for whatever came their way. Global Sikhs will be given logistical assistance by the Waves of Mercy group of Langkawi-based sailors, who will make two ships available for transportation. "To date Global Sikhs, with the assistance of various organisations, corporations and individuals, has accumulated 500 tonnes of cargo comprising medicine and emergency supplies," Harvinder said. The vessels, with a combined cargo capacity of about 150 tonnes and a crew of 22, are expected to take 28 hours to reach their destination. Global Sikhs began work on the relief effort last Saturday.

Posted by: bgravi Jan 10 2005, 09:03 AM,~Christians~fight

Posted by: Mudy Jan 10 2005, 10:56 AM Vivek Oberoi arranges last rites of tsunami victims Cuddalore, Jan 10. (UNI):Bollywood actor Vivek Oberoi was visibly moved, as year-and-a-half old Akash, sitting on his mother's lap, today performed the last rites of his elder brother Madivanan killed in the December 26 tsunami. The family belongs to the ravaged Devanampattinam fishermen's hamlet here. Today 45 families performed the last rites for tsunami victims in 37 villages in this district amid the chanting of mantras. The ceremony was arranged by Vivek Oberoi under the auspices of the Yashodhara Oberoi Foundation and India Heritage Research Foundation. This was supervised by Swami Siddhananda Saraswati. Vivek Oberoi's father and actor Suresh Oberoi was also present on the occasion. The ashes of those cremated were recovered and mixed in the sea waters by the family members. As part of rehabilitation of the ravaged coastal villages, Vivek Oberoi, with the help of the villagers, also planted saplings for improving mangrove forest cover in the area between the sea coast and the villages to shield against similar havoc in the future. "The mangroves will also stand as memory to those who perished in the recent tsunami tragedy," Vivek Oberoi told reporters.

Posted by: LSrini Jan 10 2005, 01:37 PM

More from Sandhya Jain in The Pioneer

Faith, flesh and fury Sandhya Jain As 2004 bowed out, snarling with apocalyptic fury, citizens living or holidaying along the Indian coastline found unexpected islands of hope and refuge as unseen powers stepped in to save lives apparently destined for burial at sea. The picaresque Vivekananda Rock in the middle of the sea off Kanyakumari, hit by 40-feet-high Tsunami waves on 26 December, imperilled almost 2,000 lives, including around hundred children. As frissons of shock and terror caused stampedes, Swami Vivekanand's serene statue mediated between life and death. Ferocious waves struck the statue for two hours, but could not get those sheltering behind; who were later rescued (Times News Network, 27 December 2004). Miraculous instances of total control of the raging waters were noticed along the Chennai coastline, where Hindu temples stood tall and protected people and even other structures. By all accounts there was heavy devastation in Marina, Santhome, and Foreshore Estate; desolation at Neelangarai; ruin at Kovalam. Yet there was a strange calm at Besant Nagar, where people were saved by the Ashtalakshmi Temple, built at the instance of the late Paramacharya of Kanchi, who consecrated it with the words: "The purpose of constructing this Ashtalakshmi Temple is to save the people living in the land areas from the fury of the sea waves. No harm will befall anyone living in this region from the vagaries of the sea." At Besant Nagar itself, the famous Rathnagirishwarar Temple was built along the coast after the Paramacharya pointed to the spot saying: "There is a Swayambhu Lingam inside." The people dug, found the lingam, and the temple came up. The Arupadai Veedu Temple of Lord Murugan also stands on the seashore in Besant Nagar, having come up at the instance of Shankaracharya Swami Jayendra Saraswati and Swami Vijayendra Saraswati. Despite the proximity of these temples to the sea, not a drop of water entered their premises; they saved hundreds of people who took refuge in them. On the Cuddalore coast, thousands were swallowed up by the tsunami, but almost 4,000 fishermen from twenty villages in the Chidambaram region had a providential escape as they had gone for the annual "Arudra Darshan" of the famous Nataraja Mandir to pull the Lord's chariot, as per tradition. Returning to find their villages ravaged beyond recognition, a fisherman said there was no impact inside the Chidambaram Mandir, and that the community was saved by the grace of Nataraja (Eenadu, December 31, 2004). At Kovalam, the Kannikaparameshwari Temple stood resolutely within 500 metres of the sea, and kept the waters firmly at bay. The Goddess saved hundreds of children who sang soul-stirring bhajans as the sea raged, as other areas of Kovalam were devastated. My purpose in narrating such instances - as have come to my notice - is to highlight the Indian media's animosity towards Hindu dharma and its deliberate policy of ignoring such major acts of divine intervention, which literally saved thousands of lives, while playing up individual cases of escape from the fury of the elements. Another shameful media omission is the complete refusal to acknowledge the sterling service being provided by thousand RSS volunteers in nine major Tsunami-hit centres. While RSS is not alone in rushing food, medicines and clothing to the victims, it is the only organisation undertaking the more difficult task of the disposal of the dead, and several thousand bodies have been given respectable funerals already. In sharp contrast, many proselytising agencies are viewing the tsunami tragedy as an opportunity to promote their agenda, and it is just as well the Indian Government has refused to permit foreign adoptions of orphans. KP Yohannan, president, Gospel for Asia, says his organisation is working in India, Sri Lanka and other affected nations, to minister to those suffering both physically and spiritually. With the Vatican pledging $6 million, one shudders to think what price will be extracted for this charity. Dr Ajith Fernando, the "Billy Graham of Sri Lanka", has been reported saying: "We have prayed and wept for our nation for many years. The most urgent of my prayers has always been that my people would turn to Jesus. I pray that this terrible, terrible tragedy might be used by God to break through into the lives of many of our people." Such shameful quid pro quo is alien to our spiritual tradition. Swami Dayanand Saraswati's AIM for Sewa and several other Hindu bodies are engaged in outstanding relief work. Mata Amritanandamayi, who personally led 15,000 devotees to safety when the waves hit, has announced a Rs 100 crore relief package and offered to adopt all orphaned children in Kerala. Far from aggrandising herself, she is seeking coordination with the State Government which has not been able to raise even Rs 25 crore in this massive rehabilitation effort. Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, bete noire of Indian secularists, reacted with exemplary speed, with his Crisis Management Group meeting even before the Centre's CMG. Modi was the first to send condolences to the Governments of Thailand, Sumatra and Indonesia. By afternoon the same day, he finished stocktaking and had two planeloads of relief material ready. He also displayed sensitivity in selecting Tamil-speaking officers to coordinate with the Tamil Nadu Government, Malayalam-speaking officers for Kerala, and similarly with the Andamans, and had the presence of mind to change the relief material from kurta-pyjama to lungi-shirt. And even as the Centre's Disaster Management team was surveying the damage, he selected 67 highly affected talukas and appointed 67 officers to look after them in collaboration with local voluntary organisations. Given this wonderful native energy, I endorse Mr Manmohan Singh's decision to shun foreign aid, though this has annoyed Western diplomatic missions immensely. India has suffered great humiliation while taking foreign aid in the past, particularly during the Gujarat earthquake and the Orissa supercyclone. In Orissa, European aid agencies pontificated upon the State's poor infrastructure instead of focusing on relief. During the Gujarat earthquake, the Japanese rushed to test the water in affected areas and declared it undrinkable, instead of providing relief. These experiences upset the Indian Government, besides which a cost-benefit analysis showed foreign aid to be inadequate and not worth the bother. Interestingly, countries demanding access for relief teams to distribute material relief - which India does not lack - are unwilling to make cash donations to the Prime Minister's Relief Fund. Clearly they only want access to the sensitive coastal regions. But there are sound logistical and security reasons for refusing foreign aid. Government sources say that after ensuring visas for the aid workers, they have also to provide them security and living environments similar to what they enjoy back home, which is hardly the priority of a hard-stretched administration in disaster-struck areas. Moreover, with the tsunamis having hit some strategic assets, the Government is keen to contain negative reportage in the wake of the flooding of the Kalpakkam nuclear complex. Certain Western nations are also notorious for conducting espionage activities in times of vulnerability. Already in neighbouring Sri Lanka, around 1,500 US marines are landing - ostensibly to provide emergency relief. They are expected to be based in Jaffna, Trincomalee, Amparai (in the East) and Galle, where they will set up command and control facilities. India is already concerned that internationalisation of Sri Lankan relief efforts may impact upon its geo-strategic environment.

Posted by: Viren Jan 10 2005, 02:35 PM

The Manmohan Singh government, which has been discouraging its own ministers from travelling to the tsunami-affected areas, was in no mood to have a high-profile international visitor like Kofi Annan adding to burden of the local administration. It is also being pointed out that once the doors are opened to one foreign visitor, there will be no end to similar requests from other international personalities. More important, the government is determined to stay with the message that no foreign involvement is necessary in the massive relief effort under way in various states

Posted by: k.ram Jan 10 2005, 03:33 PM

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 10 2005, 04:24 PM

Video of tsunami from Banda Aceh.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 10 2005, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Pathmarajah @ Jan 10 2005, 08:47 AM)
Now hold on there Gujjus, smile.gif See what the Sikhs are doing. 500 tons is quite bit from Sikhs in a small country like Malaysia. Pathma
Gujjus will forever remain indebted to the rest of India for the great help they provided during the devastating Kutch earthquake. A Sikh baba's langar was pretty famous and went on for months if i remember correctly. As they say its Waheguru da Khalsa Waheguru ki fateh !! For a list of states that provided help to Gujjus..

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 10 2005, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (k.ram @ Jan 10 2005, 03:33 PM)
Is there any wonder these rascals were not allowed in the first place ??

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 10 2005, 07:41 PM

Posted by: k.ram Jan 10 2005, 08:11 PM Low-Caste Tsunami Victims Denied Aid In India, low-caste people denied food, water, toilet facilities in relief camps, say humanitarian aid workers. Deutsche Presse-Agentur January 7, 2005 New Delhi (DPA) - The killer tsunamis of December 26 washed away everything that people in southeastern coastal India held precious, but failed to obliterate deeply-divisive social caste lines. This rigid, inherited social hierarchy determines which victims are entitled to relief supplies and an opportunity to rebuild their lives. The dalits or "broken people" of southern Tamil Nadu state are doubly damned. They were battered by the tidal waves, and those who survived are being denied food, water, toilet facilities and space to recover in overcrowded relief camps, aid workers said Friday. India has an estimated 220 million dalits who are at the bottom of an insidious caste ladder. Once called "untouchables" and still desperately poor, they are not allowed to own land and are compelled to work in degrading jobs as bonded labour, sweepers and manual scavengers who clean toilets and remove dead animals. They are subject to physical, verbal and sexual abuse, usually by the upper castes with police complicity, according to observers. Punishment is swift and brutal for dalits who dare to bridge the caste divide. Stories of discrimination have poured out of several relief camps in Tamil Nadu, India's worst-affected state, which reported 7,932 of the country's 9,691 reported deaths. More than 6,000 people died in Tamil Nadu's Nagapattinam district, where dalits were reportedly thrown out of relief camps and forced to eat stale food. "The dalits are being discriminated against by the fishermen. In many relief camps the government is not given them aid, saying the dalits have not been affected by the tsunamis," said Ravi Chandran of Village Development Society (VDS), a non-government organisation. Chandran worked in Nagapattinam, where more than 91,000 people live in 96 relief camps, and Cuddalore district, where more than 24,000 people are crowded into 38 camps. He said dalits formed 10 per cent of the affected population. "We sent a petition two days back to the police and state government to speed up aid for the dalits because they were not receiving anything. There has been no response," Chandran told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa in a telephone interview from Nagapattinam. "What is worse is that both the police and the affected fishermen are not allowing our people to deliver food and water to the dalits. About four days back police severely beat up and then arrested a dalit for taking rice from an aid agency. They even demolished what was left of his house," Chandran claimed. A reporter from the Indian Express newspaper who toured Nagapattinam district wrote Friday about dalit survivors from 63 fishing villages who were discriminated against by the Meenavar fishing community because of an old caste hatred that stubbornly persisted in the face of immense tragedy. "We certainly do not discriminate. But if the fishermen themselves are doing it because of their local status, what can the government do?" the report quoted government official Shantasheela Nayar as saying. When dalits asked for rice and new clothes at one camp, the fishermen forced them to spend the night on the road. In another camp fishermen would not allow dalits to use Unicef water tanks, saying they would get "polluted". "Our workers have been in Nagapattinam from the beginning, providing water every day and haven't reported any kind of discrimination in the camps," a Unicef spokesperson from Tamil Nadu's capital city Madras told dpa. "We were inside a camp but kept in the far corner. Whenever officials and trucks came to give food, we were left out because nobody allowed us to get near the trucks. Some men form a ring around us and prevent us from moving ahead in the queue," Dalit survivor Saravanan was quoted as saying in the Indian Express. The fishermen alleged the dalits were looting homes in the damaged villages. Aid workers said there was nothing left to steal. "We have been distributing blankets, utensils and food to the dalits, as many have been forced to stay on roads. We are also in the process of setting up separate facilities for them. The government is not doing anything, saying dalits are not among the affected people," Charles (one name) from voluntary organisation AID India told dpa. blink.gif omg.gif Aid workers were reluctant to create too much of a furore over the issue, as they don't want to spark off caste violence in volatile areas already destroyed by nature. [Gee, how nice of them laugh.gif] India legally abolished untouchability more than half a century ago. The reality is very different, and ugly, for the dalits survivors of Tamil Nadu.

Posted by: Vajramuni Jan 10 2005, 10:10 PM

India legally abolished untouchability more than half a century ago. The reality is very different, and ugly, for the dalits survivors of Tamil Nadu.
Though the word is very differentiated, diverse and competition for survival isbuilt in. Manu Smrithi devised way of classification based on function devoid of discriminatory practice of today. To be a true Brahmin is really difficult. Nowadays you see parents competing for their children's education, Parents get worked up if a neighbors kid gets better grades than their own kids. As they say in Finance past performance does not reflect future. You never know where you end up for showing unwanted arrogance.

Posted by: k.ram Jan 11 2005, 07:20 AM

Not sure if we want to split the thread in two - one for just news and another for media/ngo/etc slant on the catastophic & tragic event? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Namaste, Below is a message that I sent to ABC News regarding a news piece that appeared Monday on World News Tonight. In it, the reporter, Dan Harris, attempted to report on the effects that the recent tsunami disaster is having on people's faith. While his reports on Islam and Christianity were fair and sympathetic, he decided to lump Hinduism and Buddhism together and create a stereotyped and derogatory image of both religions. It was especially full of inaccuracies about Hinduism, which I comment upon below. Please feel free to also contact ABC News and register your complaints at: Thanks and take care. Om Shanti, Dr. Frank Gaetano Morales ------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:15:35 -0600 To: From: "Dr. Frank Gaetano Morales" Subject: WORLD NEWS TONIGHT Dear News Director, On Monday evening, January 10, 2005, ABC News presented a piece on World News Tonight by Mr. Dan Harris purporting to discuss the question of religious faith in the face of the tragic tsunami in South Asia that has recently taken over 165,000 lives. While I am sure that ABC News had the best of intentions in reporting on the nature of religious faith in the wake of this tragic event, as an academician in the field of Philosophy of Religion and Hindu Studies, as well as a practicing Hindu, I was highly dismayed by how Mr. Harris chose to portray the theological teachings of Hinduism and Buddhism. As Mr. Harris correctly reports, the four faiths that were most affected by the tsunami were Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism. In reporting on the religious response to the tsumani, however, Mr. Harris makes the mistake of unthinkingly lumping Hinduism and Buddhism into the same category, and reporting upon these two distinct faiths as if they were one. Islam and Christianity, on the other hand, were given the due respect of being reported upon independently. Though certainly originating in the same geographic area, Hinduism and Buddhism are radically different religions, with very different philosophies, concepts of the Absolute, and approaches to the question of human suffering – a fact that almost any scholar of South Asian religion, or even a common follower of either religion, could have easily confirmed. While respected religious leaders who actually represent their respective communities are quoted in explaining the Islamic and Christian perspectives, a professor (Dr. Robert Thurman) is used as the “spokesperson” of both Hinduism and Buddhism. Thus actual religious leaders representing these two important world religions were denied the opportunity of explaining their respective faiths from an insider perspective. Mr. Harris makes several assertions about the beliefs of Hinduism and Buddhism that simply are not factual and that are highly prejudiced in nature. First, Mr. Harris makes the unfounded proclamation that neither religion believes in the concept of one almighty God. While this is arguably true of Buddhism (which is atheistic by self-definition), Hinduism is recognized as a religion that is predicated on the belief in one, omnicompetent divine Being – i.e., God. Further, Mr. Harris makes the stereotypically derogatory and untrue statement that the concept of karma is based upon a type of “cold logic.” To say that this is a simplistic and uninformed description of a highly complex philosophical concept would be putting it quite lightly. Rather than presenting inaccurate and prejudiced caricatures of Hindu and Buddhist religious principles, Mr. Harris would have done his audience a much better service had he actually spoken to authentic Hindu and Buddhist leaders, and done his research into these two ancient and venerable religions a bit better. Hindus and Buddhists, after all, watch the evening news too. Thank you for your time and your consideration of this letter. Best Regards, Dr. Frank Gaetano Morales, Ph.D.

Posted by: bgravi Jan 11 2005, 11:34 AM

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For favour of publication Formation of Tsunami Rehabilitation Initiative [TRI] coordinating body of NGOs involved in Tsunami Relief and Rehabilitation work A body to coordinate and network the important social service organisations [NGOs] engaged in Tsunami disaster relief and rehabilitation work has been formed at Chennai. The coordinating body has been named as Tsunami Rehabilitation Initiative [TRI]. The decision to form TRI was taken at a meeting held in Chennai on Saturday, January 8, 2005 in which Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, Swami Gautamananda, and Satguru Jaggi Vasudev guided the discussions. The leading NGOs who have become the members of the coordinating body are: Sri Ramakrishna Mission, AIM for Seva, Mata Amritanandamayi Math, Chinmaya Mission, Art of Living Foundation, ISCON, Isha Foundation, Swaminarayan Sampradaya, Seva Bharati and Vivekananda Kendra. The coordinating body will have as patrons Swami Gautamananda, President Ramakrishna Mission Chennai, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, Mata Amritanandamayi, the head of the Amritanandamayi Math, Satguru Jaggi Vasudev, the head of Isha Foundation and Sri Sri Ravishankar the head of Art of Living foundation. More than 10000 volunteers of the member organisations, many of them qualified doctors, psychiatrists, trauma therapists and other specialists, are in the field and involved in relief and rehabilitation work in all affected places in Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Kerala, Andamans and also Sri Lanka. The purpose of this coordinating and networking effort is to ensure proper distribution and coordination of the delivery of rehabilitation work among different NGOs which have become the members initially and such other organisations as would network with the TRI in future. TRI will be contacting different NGOs, which don't have any other agenda other than serving the affected people, for networking with them. TRI will also integrate the work of the different service organisations so that the collective and coordinated work of all service organisations ensures most effective and unduplicated delivery of the rehabilitation work. By networking and coordinating the different NGOs will be able to use their resources to the optimum and partly unburden the government of the tough task of coordination of voluntary work. TRI will interface with the government and also the media so as to expedite the rehabilitation work. TRI believes that this kind of coordination among the NGOs will also assist the authorities in ensuring proper planning and expedite the delivery of rehabilitation work. The rehabilitation work planned for the future will also include trauma relief, psychiatric care and other counselling work, besides housing and provision of fishing infrastructure. TRI will persuade the different NGOs to adopt all affected villages and assist the authorities in choosing the most genuine NGOs as agencies for delivery of the rehabilitation. The office of the TRI will issue periodic reports on the work done by the member organisations and other organisations which network with TRI for the information of the public. The TRI appeals to all NGOs and other service organisations engaged in Tsunami Rehabilitation work to network with TRI so that the collective and integrated position of the NGOs through TRI leads to efficient and expedited rehabilitation services. The TRI also appeals to people to light 'Moksha Deepams' in all temples on Monday 10 January 2005 and pray for the thousands who have lost their lives and also for peace and harmony for the thousands who have lost their kith and kin.

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Posted by: Mudy Jan 11 2005, 05:32 PM

It's back to the drawing board for nautical maps Yoga Rangatia/ New Delhi A changed coastline after the tsunami devastated it has forced redrawing of navigation maps in the affected region. An alert has been sounded to ships sailing through the Indian Ocean lest they are misled by unfamiliar landmarks. Post-tsunami Nagapattinam coast "The coastline has changed and certain landmarks are missing. We are surveying the coastal regions and the islands. In the meanwhile, we have alerted mariners. In the next couple of months we will rechart the area," said Captain MM Saggi, nautical adviser to the Shipping Ministry. The Minor Ports Survey Organisation has dispatched a 15-member team to Andaman and Nicobar for a detailed survey. The issue has caused concern as the Shipping Ministry is worried about fishermen and trawlers who are traditionally dependent on the landmarks while navigating at sea. "Andaman and Nicobar coastline have seen major changes. This will require recharting these areas," Captain Saggi said. Indira Point, for instance, has separated from the mainland with the passage of land inundated by sea water. Port Blair harbour has been cleared for navigation last week. However, deep sea navigation is not a problem, he added. Besides the changed coastline, the depth of water near the coastal area has also changed, making navigation a difficult task. In some areas, the titanic waves have offloaded several tonnes of silt along the ports. Navigation channel in these areas are blocked, forcing vehicles to chart a new route. In other areas, the ebbing waves have dragged silt away, making the sea deeper. Along Nagapattinam, for instance, the sea has become deeper. "The Chief hydrologist is carrying out a survey and verification of changes in the sea bed. We have cautioned all ships of the possibilities of changes in sea depth," Captain Saggi said. The tumultuous wave has also carried away a buoy, making navigation almost a blind-folded attempt. The Government's priority is to clear the navigation channel for vessels. Navy divers are on the job marking a fresh course for vessels, especially fishing boats. The next priority is to chart adjoining areas in the next three months. The Government will then notify mariners of the changes along the coast. No major ship has suffered damages, because the tsunami wave travelled quietly in deep waters. Ships reported a vibration on the ocean floor and rise in sea level by a metre as the tsunami travelled. The power that the sea held in its belly was unravelled only when it crashed the shores and everything it held. Only one ship, the MV Daring passenger ship ran aground, but it is yet to be ascertained whether the tsunami was to blame, official said. The Shipping Ministry has confirmed that most ports are operational, while Chennai and Vishakhapatnam harbours have incurred minor damages. One-third of the jetties in Andaman and Nicobar area are not safe for earthing vessels, Shipping Ministry official said. The devastation on the Andaman and Nicobar island has, however, raised questions about development of the island as a transit port for ships sailing through the Indian Ocean. Development of Port Blair as the transit facility for sea trade in South Asia will now have to factor in the stability of the ocean bed. Some experts are of the opinion that once the Indian Ocean plate shifts, there are chances of further adjustment in the sea floor. The ministry, which is yet to look at the implication of the changes, said "the plan is at a conceptual stage." Development plans for the islands will now await the opinion of seismologists whether the frequency of the phenomenon will affect development plans.

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Posted by: ramana Jan 18 2005, 09:46 AM]Tsunami and nu-reactors: Myth & reality By: A Mid Day Correspondent

Tsunami and nu-reactors: Myth & reality By: A Mid Day Correspondent January 18, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The tsunami waves of December washed away over a lakh and half people from the sub continent and left lives shattered for the remaining in those coastal areas. The media, which played a splendid role in rushing to report and aid rehabilitation in many cases, chose to reflect on some nuclear reactors in the region and left it for the Nuclear Power Corporation to do a whole lot of explaining... Q: Was another tsunami likely to hit Chennai and was there some radioactive leakage? NPCIL: Tsunamis are produced by impulsive disturbances of a water body caused due to submarine earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc. Sieche is an oscillation of enclosed or semi-enclosed water body. Both these effects are related to the seismic activity at the sea-bed. The unit-1 of Madras Atomic Power Station(MAPS), Kalpakkam. TN, already shutdown for major refurbishment and modernisation. Unit-2 of MAPS was operating at the time. The shutdown core cooling systems remained operational and the core was maintained in safe shutdown condition. The plant was ready for startup in two days. But NPC and AERB rechecked the plant functioning and restarted it only on January 2, 2005. Q: There were reports that tsunami damaged the Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (PFBR) at Kalpakkam. NPCIL: No. The PFBR site is under construction and is an excavated pit about 18 m deep where concreting work is in progress. The “reactor” has yet to be built and no equipment has been installed as yet. On December 26, 2004, when the tsunami struck concreting work was in progress. The workers were rescued but one of them died. There were 61 fatalities at Kalpakkam residential colony, 5 kms from MAPS. Most people had drowned in the sea. Two NPPs of 1000 MWe each are under construction at Kudankulam, 22 km from Kanyakumari. The grade level of the plant is 7.5 metres above the Mean Sea Level (MSL). Thus, there was a safety margin of 5.5 metres during the event. Even the temporary structures erected at the shore of Kudankulam nuclear power plant were not damaged or breached. Dr Anil Kakodkar, Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) and Secretary, Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) rushed to Kalpakkam. S KJain, CMD, NPCIL stayed at Kudankulam also camped at the place and supervised relief and rehab operations. Safety systems like independent and diverse shutdown systems, double containment envelope around reactor core and multiple means of achieving core cooling are provided and are subjected to regular surveillance, to meet any eventuality and to bring reactor in safe shutdown mode following any plant transient or accident. Even when the 7.6 Richter scale Bhuj quake happened, the Kakrapar Atomic Power Station near Surat, was unaffected and continued to supply power to Gujarat. *Ministry of Environment & Forest, Central Electricity Authority, involved in selection & finalisation of the sites for NPPs. *As a policy, no public habitation is allowed within 1.6 km radius of the NPP. *A very conservative approach is adopted for site selection, design, construction, commissioning and operation considering all probabilities of floods, seiches, tsunami, cyclones, quakes. *The grade level of the plant is kept higher that the expected flood level.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 19 2005, 05:45 PM

Posted by: Viren Jan 21 2005, 09:29 AM

Handy link to counter negative psy-ops that pop up often

Posted by: Mudy Jan 21 2005, 11:49 AM

Temples untouched by tsunami - love or fear? Author: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Was tsunami scared of temples or did it love them? You cannot brush this aside as a mere coincidence because of the following phenomenon throughout the coastal line of India and Sri Lanka. Let us take the cases of the big ancient temples of south India. Kanyakumari temple which is right at the edge of the ocean has remained untouched by tsunami. The famous Tirhchandur temple saw the ocean receding, leaving the temple intact. Rameswara temple also remained unaffected. Did this strange phenomenon happen only in India? No. If you travel through the coastal line of Sri Lanka, you will be amazed to see that all the Buddhist statues, monasteries and Hindu temples have also remained untouched. The media have reported a famous Murugan temple at Ampara district is perfectly intact while all the buildings surrounding the temple have fallen apart. While the whole locality went to shambles, not a single tile was broken in this Kerala style temple. When the whole village in Hampenthode district was ruined, nothing happened to the Buddhist statues there. In Jaffna, the very famous Karainagar temple (also known as the Chidambaram of Sri Lanka), where tens of thousands of people had assembled for the annual five chariot procession on December 26 was unaffected. The 40 feet tsunami waves did not affect the people in the temple premises, and in fact kept them safe from the devastation. Amongst the temples and monasteries that were strangely untouched, was also Art of Living retreat centre on the beach road, Chennai. This AOL centre, which hosts many, many satsangs and meditations, experienced an incredible phenomenon. While the water rushed through all the streets around the centre and in fact all of the centre's adjacent streets, it left the centre itself completely untouched. So far only one case of a temple being washed away by tsunami has been reported from Kerala. This is reported to be a small 100-year- old Lord Subramania temple. Other than this, all Hindu temples and monasteries in Sri Lanka and India have withstood the deadly tsunami. This seems to defy all logic. We should not forget that when Puri (Orissa) was flooded by cyclones a few years back, the ancient Jagannath temple stood completely intact. Is it the architecture or energy or some intelligence in creation which causes these monuments to stand these killer furies of nature? This remains a mystery to be unlocked... it may be worthwhile for a team of architects and scientists to go around and study this phenomenon. Isn't it amazing that tsunami could lift big heavy boats over large buildings and deposit them many hundreds of metres beyond the streets, and yet not affect a small temple in Velankanni. Is this to strengthen the faith of the believer, remains to be answered. One thing is for sure; Either tsunami loves the temples or it is too scared to go close to them.

Posted by: ramana Jan 21 2005, 03:01 PM

Frontline article on

Posted by: Mudy Jan 23 2005, 10:21 PM

Sri Lankan Buddhists Refuse Aid After Christian Conversion Attempt Galle, Jan. 21 2005 The Telegraph, Calcutta, India NISHA LAHIRI Usawathun Hasana Maha Vidyalaya was supposed to start classes on Wednesday. But for now, all the activity is focused on cleaning up the school. Principal Hussain runs around trying to coordinate the work and counsel students. “We lost 28 students and one teacher. Many students are still shocked. It will take a long time,” he mumbles, before rushing away. Lending helping hands are university students, scrubbing windows, doors, tables and chairs and taking soaked books out to dry in the sun. Behind the school is the devastated village of Siyabalagahawatta, Dewata. One Muslim family of 14 lost 12 members. The survivors have left, probably never to return. The village has lost many and the survivors are still having to remove the bodies. A few are still missing. At the relief camp here in the local Buddhist temple, R. Sunil stands gazing into the distance. The blank stare tells his story of loss. His wife and three daughters were washed away by the waves; he has no home and belongings any longer. His son survived by clinging to a tree. Sporting a uniform donated by a trading company, Sunil, a daily labourer at a nearby factory, sometimes plays with young girls at the makeshift day-care centre, which was set up so that parents can go back to cleaning their homes. Clothes are the only things most could salvage and they are still being hung out to dry. Wellabada, Megalle, is like a ghost town. There is hardly a soul among the rubble. A water bottle hangs on a tree, a toy car sits on the road, stray dogs make their home in piles of debris that were once homes. Outside one house, a few soaked photographs have been laid out to dry. In another, a couple washes the floor, surrounded by two-and-a-half walls. The harbour town, behind a Sri Lankan navy base, was ravaged by the killer waves. Beutin was cooking at home when she heard the sound of the waves. She thought it was a bomb targeting the navy and ran out. As the waves roared in, she clung to a tree and suffered only a head injury — and stomach problems from the water she swallowed. Paraliya Jinarathana School has been reduced to a heavily damaged structure with no classrooms. A group of volunteers from across the world has set up base here, with medical, clean-up and counselling assistance. A group of children is kept busy painting chairs and tables or drawing. Behind the school, a train stands forlorn, empty and bent out of shape in places. The train was thrown off the tracks resulting in hundreds of deaths. It has been put back on the rails, but there are no passengers. At another Buddhist temple-turned-relief camp near Hikkaduwa, 12-year-old Chandan approaches most visitors with a hello and a curious smile. Asked if he’s okay, the reply is a reluctant, confused shake of the head. In IDH Place, Mahamodara, survivors huddle together in tents, looking at strangers with suspicion. A few days ago, a Christian relief organisation came to them, offering aid. But the Buddhist Sri Lankans were asked to convert to Christianity. They refused the aid and are wary of accepting any more.

Posted by: k.ram Jan 24 2005, 06:11 AM

Tsunami tests secular dogmas Sandhya Jain Tsunami victims of Samanthapettai near the temple town of Madurai saw the dark side of Christian charity as missionaries stomped out of their village without distributing relief after residents refused their faith-for-food deal (ANI, 16 January 2005). The 200-odd homeless villagers, coping with hunger, trauma and disease, felt blessed when trucks with food, clothes and medicines moved into the village. But when the nuns insisted that they convert before accepting a minimal diet of biscuits and water, the villagers recoiled with distaste. Hot words were exchanged, but the adamant missionaries beat back local attempts to acquire the relief material and quit with their supplies intact when television crews arrived on the scene by chance. Unfortunately, the Union Government has taken no cognizance of missionary attempts to prey upon hapless tsunami victims, and reports suggest that missionary groups are getting disproportionate control over distribution of relief supplies. That is why missionaries checkmated in Indonesia are rushing to Chennai. As is now well-known, the US-based World Help was forced to abandon plans to put 50 Muslim children in a Christian orphanage near Jakarta because the Indonesian Government said: “Muslim children should not be raised in a non-Muslim home.” The Council on American-Islamic Relations added: “This confirms some of our worst fears that certain missionary groups would exploit the tragedy and the earthquake to enter into these areas and convert people through use of a disproportionate power relationship. How many incidents of this type are taking place that we don't hear about?” Indonesia has banned foreign adoptions of orphans to allay fears of possible child-smuggling or abuse following the tragedy. In Aceh, dozens of Western Christian groups have moved in to help and convert victims, triggering enormous tension and impeding relief to nearly six lakh homeless people. The Indonesian Council of Ulemas says using aid to spread religion is wrong, and warns that the “Muslim community will not remain quiet. This is a clear statement and it is serious.” But Americans are born-again religious imperialists; evangelist Mark Kosinski insisted: “These people need food but they also need Jesus. God is trying to awaken people and help them realize salvation is in Christ.” World Help has now turned towards India, where (its website announced) “God is overcoming hundreds of years of false religions and idol worship.” Such despicable language surely amounts to hate speech under American laws. The United Nations, which avers respect for all faiths, also needs to take cognizance of such abusive practices. Sadly, World Help is confident that India’s votebank-conscious politicians will permit evangelization under the pretext of religious freedom, as recently witnessed in the facilitation of the Benny Hinn sham show in Bangalore. Its president Rev. Vernon Brewer described the Indonesian orphanage plans as really “no different than what Mother Theresa did by taking Hindu orphan children and placing them in a Roman Catholic children's home in Calcutta, and she won the Nobel Peace Prize for doing that.” This is an eloquent comment on the political-cultural underpinnings of the Nobel, and Indian politicians panting for it should accept that getting it involves sacrificing critical national interests. Western determination to make the world Christian calls for scrutiny of the idea of ‘secularism.’ Many Indians lazily swallow Western propaganda that secularism is separation of Church (religion) from State (public realm); that Western nations are superior because they practice this policy; and that secularism is a universal value. In truth, secularism is only a tactical ceasefire negotiated between warring Christian denominations in blood-stained Europe. The privileges of secularism (State restraint from murder and mayhem against different sects) did cover other faiths entering Christian lands. But the rising anti-Jewish sentiment in France (birthplace of all Western ‘universal’ values) should make us understand the basically intra-Christian nature of this concept. Islam did not produce a truce among Islamic sects, and continues to be plagued by sectarian strife. Islamic tolerance of other creeds is notoriously deficient. Hindu leaders have mindlessly accepted Western categories of thought and imposed artificial definitions upon society. The Vedic categories of “Vasudev kutumbukum” (the world is one family) and “Ekam sat, vipraha bahuda vadanti” (there is one Truth, wise men call it differently) have been distorted to harm community interests and need a proper explanation. To begin with, the monotheistic traditions were unknown to India when these pristine thoughts were enunciated. The Vedic seers validated all thoughts, divinities, and sacred symbols revered within the geo-cultural matrix of India, and bound them into the fabled unity and continuity of the Indic tradition. Does Vedic tolerance bestow spiritual equality to monotheistic faiths? Our ethos does not label any spiritual quest as ‘false religion’ (whatever that means). Yet Hindu dharma is implicitly at odds with monotheistic intolerance. Accepting Christianity or Islam involves hating our own dharma (as secular intellectuals and politicians do), and shunning the other monotheism, as both demand exclusive adherence! Soon our ‘tolerant’ secularists will be forced to choose between Islam and Christianity, as evangelizers up the ante in the contest for souls (read holy warriors). Much of the current tension in Indian society is on account of ‘secular’ politicians mollycoddling the two monotheisms and suppressing legitimate Hindu aspirations. While secularism in a Hindu context permits the existence of other faiths, it cannot tolerate negation of Hindu identity and culture. Dharma demands that spiritual paths that refuse to coexist and seek actively to destroy others must be repelled. Secularists will claim a multi-religious society cannot privilege a particular tradition, but this is the reality all over the world. The German State collects taxes for two major Christian groups (non-Christians are exempt). It also provides religious lessons at school for the two Christian sects. America is famously non-neutral in matters of religion. The dollar proclaims: “In God we trust” and the Pledge of Allegiance invokes God. In South Carolina, Protestantism is State religion and the election of clergy is part of the State election process. The constitution of Pennsylvania advocates religious work for building human virtues. In Britain, the Church of England is the official Church and the monarch is its head. To this day, a Catholic or anyone who marries a Catholic cannot claim the throne. In Scotland, the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church is the supreme legislative and judicial body. Higher echelons of priesthood automatically become members of the upper house of the British Parliament and thus participate in the legislative process. In Japan, Buddhism was the state religion from the sixth century until 1934, when a military coup restored the original Shinto as state religion. The 1945 constitution separated religion and state, but Shinto priests continue to preside over all public and private ceremonies. These are all nations that India respects. Within the country, however, we find that in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, most cash-rich temples are controlled by State Governments. The contributions made by devotees are taken by the State treasury, and the Hindu community is deprived. Not only are donations to churches and mosques untouched, but the contributions of Hindu laity are diverted for upkeep of churches and mosques, and even finance the infamous Hajj subsidy! Indian secularism thus discriminates against Hindu dharma and Hindu aspirations. It is high time we liberate ourselves from this false secularism and give due respect to ourselves and our native ethos. Eom

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 25 2005, 02:53 PM Lets repeat this in the Tsunami affected areas.. rocker.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jan 26 2005, 08:36 AM


QUOTE,00050006.htm Fakir Hassen (IANS) Johannesburg, January 26, 2005|20:49 IST Scientists and religious leaders have expressed doubts that a statue of Hindu deity Hanuman found on a beach in South Africa had been carried there from Sri Lanka by strong waves from the tsunamis. South African sisters Jenni Ruttledge and Jill Kehagia discovered the hand-painted 25 kg statue Monday at Blythedale Beach on the South African north coast while taking an early morning stroll. The statue appeared to have been broken off from its base, with the words "Shri Lanka" neatly painted on it, prompting suggestions that it had been washed onto South African shores from there. "It was such a beautiful-looking statue and I think its find is symbolic," Ruttledge told the weekly Post. "When we read the words 'Shri Lanka', our immediate thoughts were that it could have been transported by currents after the tsunami disaster." But Frank Shellington of the University of Cape Town's Oceanography Department was sceptical about that possibility, despite confirming earlier reports of shoes and other small items drifting across the Pacific to Atlantic shores.

Posted by: ramana Jan 28 2005, 11:23 AM

From The Telegraph, 28 Jan., 2005

TAKING THE LEAD - Gujarat set the pace of disaster management in India Swapan Dasgupta In the aftermath of the December 26 tsunami that devastated communities along the coast of Tamil Nadu and in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, there has been a spirited debate over India’s disaster management capabilities. The government of India’s unequivocal refusal to countenance international relief initiatives — as opposed to help in the reconstruction programme —may have been interpreted as needless arrogance in the West but it has also earned the country grudging admiration. There appears to be a slow realization, even in the habitually negative media, that India’s experience in disaster management is gradually being fine-tuned to satisfactory levels. As opposed to the days when, in true third world fashion, a devastating flood, cyclone or earthquake was accompanied by colossal incompetence and wanton corruption, there is now greater confidence among multilateral agencies and private donors that money expended on both relief and reconstruction will be reasonably well-spent. This realization is relatively recent in origin. When an earthquake measuring 6.9 on the Richter scale rocked Kutch and neighbouring talukas of Rajkot and Surendranagar districts of Gujarat on January 26, 2001, killing nearly 14,000 people and destroying an estimated Rs 9,000 crore of property, there was widespread scepticism of India’s ability to handle a disaster of this magnitude. Even as the Centre and the state government, aided by international relief agencies and NGOs, mounted a monumental mobilization of relief and medical aid to the affected areas, the media played the blame game. I vividly recall a harried Haren Pandya,then home minister in the Keshubhai Patel government, insisting to a hostile media that the death toll would not cross 25,000 and that there were no reports of a cholera and typhoid epidemic. In the rush to capture the intensity of human suffering, few believed Pandya at that time. Even a casual perusal of the archives will reveal that the mood was one of despondency, verging on alarmism. Even as the post-earthquake tremors cost Keshubhai Patel his job, Gujarat, it seemed, was destined to join Orissa in transforming a natural disaster into a government-made catastrophe. It is now four years since that fateful Republic Day tragedy. In the intervening period, the story of the Gujarat earthquake has been subsumed by the carnage of Godhra , the accompanying riots and a high decibel election campaign. Earthquake reconstruction, it would be fair to say, ceased to be the subject of public discourse. It was simply forgotten by the editorial classes. Yet, the unglamorous work of earthquake reconstruction proceeded silently, insulated from the passions that ignited Gujarat subsequently. Most important, it progressed with a strong focus, with commitment and exemplary political direction. Indeed, it would be no exaggeration to suggest that Gujarat has set the benchmark for effective disaster management in India. It is the Gujarat experience that has given India the institutional structures and the necessary self-confidence to assert that it has the capability and competence to manage the tsunami disaster on its own. In the annals of disaster management, the Gujarat earthquake was the turning point. Resources were available in plenty. By 2006, a total of Rs 8,496 crore Rs 4,741 crore committed by the World Bank and IDB, Rs 2,603 crore by the state government, Rs 490 crore by the Centre, Rs 342 crore by European countries and Rs 320 crore by NGOs and philanthropic bodies — will have been spent on the reconstruction of Gujarat. With much of the work already complete, large chunks of Kutch and Saurashtra have been blessed with roads and housing that are qualitatively much superior to anything Gujarat has ever seen. This staggering upgradation, coupled with the steady availability of Narmada water, has, in turn, encouraged industry to take advantage of other special incentives and invest heavily in the region. Since 2002, the traditionally backward district of Kutch has, for example, attracted new private investment worth Rs 18,000 crore, much of it along National Highway 8A to Kandla port. From a chaotic and overcrowded small town, Bhuj is being transformed into a planned city. The resettlement colonies have decongested the town centre and the road widening programme has met with enthusiastic approval of the local people. It’s roughly the same story in Anjar and Bhachau.The next year will witness an urban renewal programme in Morvi and Limbdi, centres of erstwhile princely states that, unfortunately, have suffered on account of post-Independence neglect. To my mind, the relatively successful reconstruction programme in Gujarat rests on four factors. First, apart from road construction, where it has assumed full charge, the role of the government has been that of a facilitator. This is particularly the case in housing. Rather than provide compensation, it has extended fixed monetary assistance and technical knowhow to people to rebuild their own quake-proof homes. In some cases it has entered into a cost-sharing partnership with NGOs, but it has always left the construction in the hands of the partner. It has merely created the institutional apparatus for certifying the quality of buildings. Since government over-involvement is at the root of corruption, this approach has ensured good quality, cheap and appropriate housing for more than 90 per cent of those who were left homeless four years ago. In Bhuj, an innovative resettlement scheme has enabled those who were previously tenants to transform themselves into homeowners without, at times, having to spend a single rupee from their own pocket. Second, the reconstruction of Kutch and Saurashtra would never have been possible without the generosity of NGOs. However, it is interesting that the NGOs which have rebuilt schools, public buildings and adopted villages aren’t the ones who are seen at seminars and UN-sponsored meets. The contribution of the jholawala brigade is a piece of delicious fiction. It is either industry bodies like the Gem and Jewellery Foundation of Belgium-based diamond merchants, the Tatas and the Vadilal Foundation, or faith-based charities of Swaminarayans, Jains, Bohras and Christian denominations, not to speak of groups like the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and Sewa Bharti, that have made the most enduring contributions. In the case of NGOs, there appears to be an inverse correlation between profile and performance. Third, the process of recovery and reconstruction has been aided by a deep sense of community involvement. Gujarat may have been helped by the fact that it has a reasonably vibrant panchayati raj tradition that made the consultative process smooth. Yet, it is heartening that the local bureaucracy actually did its job and ensured a consensus in difficult exercises like town planning and village relocation. That also explains the negligible amount of litigation in the whole process. Conversely, the biggest white elephant of the reconstruction programme — the Rs 120 crore hospital funded by the prime minister’s relief fund — was created by some babus in Delhi who imagine they know best. Finally, the importance of decisive leadership cannot be underplayed. Of course, the role of the collector and his subordinate state civil service officers is paramount, as Kutch vividly demonstrates. However, no district administration can prove its worth unless it secures the unwavering support of the political bosses. Gujarat has been fortunate in having a chief minister who has transformed the slogan of Vibrant Gujarat into his passion. Narendra Modi may have cut corners, offended every middle man in the BJP and been imperious in style. However, without his frenzied drive to get things done, Gujarat would not have set the pace of disaster management in India.

Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 28 2005, 11:35 AM

I agree with the above article. Before the earthquake people were actually moving out of Kutch/Bhuj. Now people are moving in. I have heard there are malls, shopping centers etc. Just the other day, I read an article that said the earthquake was a blessing in disguise. Slightly offtopic -> NaMo needs to watch out that he doesnt go CBN route. With his style he has made plenty of enemies. Lets see what happens.

Posted by: k.ram Jan 31 2005, 04:55 PM

Trust Registered Under the Chairmanship of Mr. N. Vaghul, Chairman ICICI Bank, The Pratham TN Education Initiative has been registered as a charitable trust on March 31, 2004. A group of professionals working in various corporate and social groups are part of this trust. The Board of Trustees constitutes Mr. Vaghul as Chairman, Mr. Balaji Sampath, Ms. Chandra Anil, Ms. R. Meenakshi, Mr. Arvind Ranganathan, Mr. R. Ramanathan, and Mr. Vaitheeswaran. Sunderji, this is the absolute confirmation!

Posted by: ramana Feb 1 2005, 03:02 PM

Seeing the video on CNN of the Vivekananda Memorial during the recent tsunami it is quite possible that the parting of the Red Sea during Exodus was a tsunami event and caused by a great earthquake.

Posted by: rajesh_g Feb 2 2005, 10:48 AM

Madhusree Mukerjee is a former Guggenheim Fellow and an expert on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands Days after the tsunami, as the body count escalated and food, water, and medical help were yet to reach most of the stricken, the government of India made waves by declining foreign offers of help. "We have adequate resources to meet this challenge," said Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Much of India's middle class welcomed the statement as a sign that the nation had finally tossed away its begging bowl. "It undoubtedly gives a shine to India's image," exulted the Telegraph, a newspaper in Kolkata (formerly Calcutta). The government had dispatched relief materials to Sri Lanka, the Maldives, and even to Sumatra, 1,000 miles away, in an apparent bid to display India's geographical reach and newly discovered self-sufficiency. The nation has been seeking a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, and the political leadership evidently saw the tsunami as a chance to enhance its portfolio. The geopolitical decision to go it alone doomed many of those who survived the initial onslaught to a desperate and ultimately futile wait for help. To those of us aware of the situation on the ground, the decision came as a shock. The small and scattered Nicobar Islands, which India inherited from British colonists in 1947, lie just north of the epicenter. Waves washed repeatedly over most of the islands, sweeping off at least a third of the people (initially numbering 45,000 or so) and leaving many others clinging to trees. Several of the smaller islands sank, submerging coastal villages, while the ocean salinated virtually all drinking water wells and washed away stores of grain. To make matters worse, getting to the Nicobars from mainland India is a logistical nightmare. Ships take five days to travel from Kolkata or Chennai (formerly Madras) to Port Blair on South Andaman, and one or two days from there to the Nicobars. Foreign agencies or governments could have dropped food and water from bases in southeast Asia within hours and sent more substantial help in three days, if they had so been allowed. On Dec. 26, the day of the disaster, the government of India dispatched five shiploads of relief materials and rescue workers to Sri Lanka - and three helicopter loads of the same to the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. For the latter, it was a drop in the bucket. "Our children are dying in front of us, and we cannot bear it," said Ayesha Majid of Nancowrie Island to a reporter based in Port Blair, who visited four days after the catastrophe. The first relief ship carried 15 tons of rice - and little else - for perhaps 10,000 survivors in central Nicobar. Even on Little Andaman, only 75 miles south of Port Blair, the only aid to have reached in five days after the disaster was, reportedly, eight packets of air-dropped food. Weeks after the calamity, relief materials were piling up in Kolkata, Chennai, and Port Blair, while chaos prevailed in their transport and distribution. At this juncture, India demonstrated the one way in which it has indeed arrived: the vigor of its civil society. Volunteers poured uninvited into Port Blair and hammered away at the authorities until they were permitted to provide care. The armed forces, finally showing up in strength - possibly also because of mounting pressures on politicians in New Delhi - constructed makeshift helipads and braved ferocious crocodiles to remove thousands to safety. To this day, however, evacuees depend for succor on nongovernmental agencies, which are running virtually all the relief camps on the Andamans. A month after the disaster, survivors in central Nicobar were still living under open skies or under sheets and clothes they had strung up. The Nicobars are a tribal reserve, which outsiders can enter only with permission of the authorities. That had not stopped thousands of illegal settlers from making their homes on the archipelago, but it did keep volunteer relief workers, including many doctors cooling their heels in Port Blair, from getting there. And, as in every disaster in India, local governance had collapsed: On Jan. 12, a middle-aged man in a relief camp died for lack of medical care. Repeated protests by the Nicobarese and others have finally resulted in one group, Society for Andaman and Nicobar Ecology, being allowed to help with rehabilitation. This tale demonstrates that democratic institutions do make a difference in the long run. The first instinct of India's leaders, though, was to turn calamity into political capital. There is no question in my mind that hundreds, if not more, of injured, starved and parched people, on whose behalf their government declined help, paid for that hubris with their lives. Madhusree Mukerjee (lopchu@ is author of "The Land of Naked People: Encounters with Stone Age Islanders."

Posted by: k.ram Feb 4 2005, 03:46 PM

CALL FOR ACTION Protest U.S. Govts Endorsement of Communist Charities AID: The Indian Face of Communism in the U.S. Please call up the office of your Representative and register your protest against his endorsement of Communist frontal organizations in the U.S. masquerading as charities. Examples: lists AID. as does Also, check out the letter by Maryland state Senator Giannetti at RESOURCES: Expose on AID: "AID: The Charitable Face of Terror" How to reach your Representative:

Posted by: Mudy Feb 11 2005, 12:47 PM

What else one can expect from jaya, the mad woman!!!

QUOTE's~charge Udhagamandalam, Feb 11 (PTI): A top Army officer today denied the charge of Chief Minister Jayalalithaa that the Army had not retrieved the bodies of those killed in the tsunami. It was a fact and acknowledged by everybody that the Army had rendered selfless service in rehabilitation work, the Commandant of the Madras Regimental Centre, Brigadier A K Arora told reporters. It was the Army which had cleared the debris in Cuddalore district, he said. The Brigadier's comment came when reporters here sought a reaction from Lt Gen Chopra of the regiment on Jayalalithaa's remark in the state assembly that the Army had refused to retrieve the bodies of those who died in the Tsunami and was hesitant to move into Tsunami affected areas for relief work. Both Arora and Chopra were here to witness the passing out parade of the MRC.

Posted by: Mudy Feb 21 2005, 08:06 PM

PORT BLAIR, India (Reuters) - Deliberately or inadvertently, the Indian government may have seriously underestimated the tsunami death toll from the Andaman and Nicobar islands, local leaders as well as aid groups say. Government figures show 7,462 people either confirmed dead or missing and presumed dead. Independent estimates of the toll range from more than 10,000 up to 12,000. The discrepancy may reflect the difficulties involved in counting the dead in the Indian Ocean islands, where whole villages were swept out to sea and most of the bodies will never be found. But it may also reflect an embarrassing and sensitive fact for the Indian government, some experts say. Many of the victims were illegal settlers on islands supposedly reserved for indigenous tribes. "Some of the non-tribal people were living here illegally," said local member of parliament Manoranjan Bhakta. "Many of them were affected because they were living on or near the shore. Until and unless we get claims from the next of kin we won't know." ....

Posted by: NVermuelen Feb 25 2005, 08:00 AM

An incisive article in the Globalist by the author of Rising Elephant. Points to the massive gap between perception and reality with regard to fast-emerging India. Click on link:

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 26 2005, 05:04 PM

A grateful Galle By V. S. Sambandan GALLE, MARCH 26. Three months after its worst recorded natural disaster, a warm "thank you" note welcomes guests to a hotel in this southern corner of Sri Lanka. ``We remember those that came forward so spontaneously and gave generously to those in need. We also remember the Indian Navy doctors and their medical team that ran the OPD [out-patient department] at the hotel...The people of Galle and Sri Lanka are forever grateful.'' The note pasted at the entrance of the Closenberg Hotel, just next to the Galle Port, sums up the continued memory of the Indian relief workers who were the first to land in Sri Lanka after the December 26, 2004 tsunami. For many it would be a part of their living memories. ``I still remember a very serious case that was treated in our hotel,'' recalls Udith Samarasinghe, Front Office Manager of the Hotel. ``An old man was brought in. The doctors were very caring. They gave him saline here. He was here for a long time and was well cared for,'' he said. ``Nearby residents are very happy about the treatment they were given by the doctors,'' he said. A few metres away, a school, the Sudharama Maha Vidyalaya, is today in a better shape than what it was when a visiting Indian Naval crew carried out the initial repairs. At a relief camp on the outskirts of Galle, a volunteer points to a row of temporary toilets. ``They were constructed by Indian Army engineers. For the past three months, our people living in tents have benefited from various forms of Indian assistance.'' Elsewhere along the road, a temporary bridge links the district to the capital Colombo — one of the several lifelines in the island built by the engineers. Among Sri Lankans from every walk of life, the Indian presence in the immediate aftermath of the tsunami continues to be remembered. ``They were the first to come and we cannot forget them,'' Mr. Samarasinghe said.

Posted by: rhytha Mar 28 2005, 10:27 AM

there is a big earthquake at sumantra the same place where it hit on december Magnitude 8.2 - NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA 2005 March 28 16:09:37 UTC Preliminary Earthquake Report U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center World Data Center for Seismology, Denver A great earthquake occurred at 16:09:37 (UTC) on Monday, March 28, 2005. The magnitude 8.2 event has been located in NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA. (This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.) Magnitude 8.2 Date-Time Monday, March 28, 2005 at 16:09:37 (UTC) = Coordinated Universal Time Monday, March 28, 2005 at 11:09:37 PM = local time at epicenter Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones Location 2.093°N, 97.016°E Depth 30 km (18.6 miles) set by location program Region NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA Distances 205 km (125 miles) WNW of Sibolga, Sumatra, Indonesia 245 km (150 miles) SW of Medan, Sumatra, Indonesia 535 km (330 miles) WSW of KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia 1410 km (880 miles) NW of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 6.1 km (3.8 miles); depth fixed by location program Parameters Nst= 65, Nph= 65, Dmin=535.9 km, Rmss=0.85 sec, Gp= 61°, M-type=moment magnitude (Mw), Version=6 Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D) Event ID usweax Pass this information to everybody you guys know either thru phone or sms.

Posted by: Pathmarajah Mar 28 2005, 10:44 AM

8.2 Richter scale earthquakes off Sumatra and in Malaysia. Buildings shaking and evaquated. Tsunami coming your way folks, at 3.00 am your time. Call everyone, and move. NOW!!! Pathma

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 28 2005, 10:57 AM

I just called Ahmedabad (west coast in India) - they are announcing it on TV. Same for Chennai ?

Posted by: Pathmarajah Mar 28 2005, 10:57 AM

Tsunami coming your way at 3 am your time. Call everyone and move NOW!!!

Posted by: rhytha Mar 28 2005, 11:01 AM

Major earthquake hits Indonesia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NDTV Correspondent Monday, March 28, 2005 (New Delhi): A large earthquake struck off Indonesia's Sumatra Island in the Andaman Sea late today. The US Geological Survey said it was a major quake measuring a magnitude of 8.2 on the Richter Scale. Thai officials issued a tsunami alert, three months after the killer waves devastated parts of Indonesia and other countries in the region. The quake occurred at 11:09 pm (local time) at a depth of nearly 30 kilometres, the USGS in Golden, Colo, said. The massive quake has been reported on the same faultline as the December tsunami quake. Today's earthquake was felt as far north as Bangkok, Thailand, peninsular Malaysia and Singapore, causing thousands of residents to flee high-rise apartment buildings and hotels. There were no immediate reports of any casualties or damage. Control room activated Meanwhile, the emergency control room in the Union Home Ministry was activated following the news of the earthquake. Top officials of the Met department were working to find out whether the quake could trigger a tsunami, official sources said. Tsunami warning The Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre has issued a warning of the possibility of destructive tidal waves. "This earthquake has the potential to generate a widely destructive tsunami in the ocean or seas near the earthquake," according to the warning issued by the centre. Authorities in those regions should be aware of this possibility and take immediate action. This action should include evacuation of coasts within thousand kilometres of the epicentre and close monitoring to determine the need for evacuation further away, it said. The Andaman and Nicobar Island administration has also issued a tsunami warning. (With wire inputs)

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 28 2005, 11:04 AM

Aftershock of the dec 26th one. on the same fault.

Quake hits off Indonesia island March 28, 2005 BY ASSOCIATED PRESS Advertisement BANGKOK, Thailand-- major earthquake struck off the west coast of Indonesia's Sumatra Island late Monday, and officials warned that a tsunami could strike the area. Residents of Banda Aceh fled their homes in panic. The U.S. Geological Survey said the temblor, described by one of the agency's geologists as an aftershock of the devastating Dec. 26 quake, measured a magnitude of 8.2. In Banda Aceh, the Sumatran city that was hit hardest by December's tsunami, the quake cut electricity and thousands poured into the streets, most getting into vehicles to flee low-lying areas. The quake lasted for about two minutes-- far longer than most of the daily aftershocks that have rocked Aceh since Dec. 26. "People are still traumatized, still scared, they are running for higher ground," said Feri, a 24-year-old recovery volunteer who goes by one name. The quake was felt as far away as Malaysia, about 300 miles from the epicenter, sending panicked residents fleeing their apartments and hotels in Kuala Lumpur and Penang after authorities activated fire alarms. Officials issued a tsunami warning for residents of southern Thai provinces, three months after a tsunami devastated parts of Indonesia and other countries in the region. The quake occurred at 11:09 p.m. local time (11:09 a.m. EST) at a depth of nearly 19 miles, the USGS in Golden, Colo., said. The quake was centered 125 west-northwest of Sibolga, Sumatra, and 150 miles southwest of Medan, Sumatra, the agency said. Japan's Meteorological Agency said the quake registered 8.5. Tremors were felt throughout peninsular Malaysia's west coast, causing thousands of residents to flee high-rise apartment buildings and hotels. There were no immediate reports of any casualties or major damage. "I was getting ready for bed, and suddenly, the room started shaking," said Kuala Lumpur resident Jessie Chong. "I thought I was hallucinating at first, but then I heard my neighbors screaming and running out." The USGS said in a statement that the quake occurred on a segment of the same fault line that triggered the magnitude-9 earthquake on Dec. 26, the world's biggest in 40 years. Dale Grant of U.S. Geological Survey said the quake was magnitude 8.2 and was in the aftershock zone of the Dec. 26 quake. "It is along the same segment of fault," he said. "We do expect aftershocks. An 8.2 is very large, but it's not unusual as an aftershock." He stressed they have no reports at this time of any tsunami. The Dec. 26 quake triggered the huge tsunami that swept across the Indian Ocean at the speed of a passenger jet killed more than 174,000 people and left another 106,000 missing. More than 1.5 million people were left homeless in 11 countries.. Tremors form the quake could be felt in the Thai capital Bangkok for several minutes beginning at about 11:20 p.m. Chalermchai Aekkantrong, deputy director of Thailand's meteorological department, told a radio station Monday that officials were asking people near the coast to evacuate, although there were no immediate reports of a tsunami.

Posted by: Viren Mar 28 2005, 11:05 AM

How's residents on India's east coast being warned? Especially those without access to internet or TV?

Posted by: Pathmarajah Mar 28 2005, 11:50 AM

Just use your handphones and call everybody, Now!!! Penang hit! Again!

Posted by: rhytha Mar 28 2005, 11:57 AM

• 8.2 quake off Sumatra's coast • No reports of any tsunami 2 hrs after • Home ministry issues tsunami alert • No risk to India: Science &Tech secy... • ...tsunami possible: Met Dept • Emergency Control Room activated • Evacuation ordered across TN coast • Crisis mgmt group is holding a meeting • PM talks to A&N Lt Governor • Official tsunami warning in Andaman • Evacuation on in A&N, Kanyakumari • Mild tremors in Andaman and Nicobar

Posted by: Mudy Mar 28 2005, 12:00 PM

No reports of any tsunami which is a good news. -MSNBC Danger period is over.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 28 2005, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (Pathmarajah @ Mar 29 2005, 12:20 AM)
Just use your handphones and call everybody, Now!!! Penang hit! Again!
Rumor only.

Posted by: Pathmarajah Mar 28 2005, 12:05 PM

Dozens of deaths reported in Nias Island, and one one island missing, off west Sumatra.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 28 2005, 03:29 PM A great earthquake occurred at 16:09:36 (UTC) on Monday, March 28, 2005. The magnitude 8.7 event has been located in NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA. (This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.) Felt Reports At least 50 people killed, 100 injured and 300 houses Destroyed on Nias. Extensive damage on Simeulue. Felt in Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and as far north as Bangkok, Thailand.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 29 2005, 01:07 AM,1,571933.story?coll=sns-ap-science-headlines&ctrack=2&cset=true

Scientists Puzzled No Tsunami After Quake By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer EWA BEACH, Hawaii — Tsunami experts could not understand why Monday's forceful earthquake off Indonesia failed to produce massive waves similar to those generated by the Dec. 26 quake that killed at least 175,000 people in the same region. A magnitude 8.7 quake shook Indonesia's west coast, killing hundreds of people and spreading panic that another devastating tsunami was on the way. There was no tsunami, but a small wave was detected by a tide gauge on Cocos Island near Australia, about 1,500 miles south of the epicenter, according to the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center on Oahu. "I'm baffled an earthquake this size didn't trigger a tsunami near the epicenter," said Robert Cessaro, a geophysicist at the center, which is operated by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. It is responsible for monitoring seismic and ocean conditions in the Pacific and alerting Pacific Rim nations and U.S. agencies, Center Director Charles McCreery said earthquakes of at least 8.0 magnitude usually generate major tsunamis. "We expected some destructive tsunami with some distant destructive effects. It was surprising," he said. The latest event also demonstrated "there's a whole world of uncertainty about trying to judge a tsunami based on the earthquake data," he said. The warning center initially estimated the Dec. 26 earthquake to have a magnitude of 8.0, but it turned out to be larger, with a magnitude of 9.0. Monday's preliminary estimate was magnitude 8.5 but had no destructive tsunami. "The one we initially thought was bigger turns out to have no effect," McCreery said. "The one we initially thought was smaller had a huge effect. This is the challenge of tsunami warning." The warning center, established in 1949, came under heavy criticism following the December tsunami for not being more aggressive about warning Asian nations and possibly saving thousands of lives. Earlier this month, a group of 58 European tsunami survivors and relatives of victims sued NOAA and other agencies, alleging the center did not do enough to warn people about the disaster. "Although we certainly wish that somehow the event unfolded in a way that we could've done more for the region, we really did all we could under the circumstances," McCreery said. Since then, several Indian Ocean nations have established communications with the center and are now on its alert list. On Monday, the facility was able to alert those nations. The Indian Ocean has no warning center similar to the one in Hawaii.

Posted by: utepian Mar 29 2005, 07:26 AM

Is'nt it wierd that the first quake should have happened the day after Christmas and the second the day after Easter?

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 29 2005, 08:15 AM

I have merged the two threads.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 29 2005, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (utepian @ Mar 29 2005, 07:26 AM)
Is'nt it wierd that the first quake should have happened the day after Christmas and the second the day after Easter?
That is reaaaally weird. I had recently read and posted this BBC story (?) about how faith is affecting xtians deal with tsunami ? Reaaally weird.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 29 2005, 12:32 PM Iyengar, R.N., Current Science, September 25, 1999

Posted by: Mudy Apr 4 2005, 09:01 AM

QUOTE Monday, 04 April , 2005, 14:41 Chennai: Bollywood star Vivek Oberoi had not done "anything tangible" for tsunami victims at Devanampattinam in Cuddalore district, but attracted maximum publicity for the work, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister, J Jayalalithaa, told the state Assembly today. Killer wave hits Asia Replying to points raised by the PMK leader G K Mani, she said: "He has done little, but derived a lot of publicity. He has just done ten per cent of the tsunami relief work, while the government did the rest at Devanampattinam village." Even that ten per cent work was not done out of his own money, but from donors, she said. He had sought to derive publicity for whatever the government had done, she charged. She said he had shifted his operations to Pondicherry only after his donors had backtracked from their commitment. The Tamil Nadu government was not responsible for his decision, she said while denying Mani's charge that he had gone to Pondicherry only because the government did not allot land to construct permanent houses for the tsunami-affected. Earlier, the Finance Minister C Ponnaiyan, denying Mani's charge, said the temporary shelters put up by Oberoi's Project Hope was on the land provided by the government
10% efforts are nothing Wow! Jaya is really mad lady. Even he had used donor money but he had made efforts to do something good, in place of appreciating his contribution she is criticizing him. What a joker she is? 

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