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  Modi Visit to US - 2

Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 09:29 AM

Earlier version of this thread can be found at http://indiaforumarchives.blogspot.com/2005/03/modi-visit-to-us_21.html http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/21kanch.htm

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The response to the US State Department's decision to rescind Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's tourist/business visa and deny him a diplomatic visa, thus effectively debarring him from entering America whose doors were flung open to welcome Sinn Fein's leader Gerry Adams the previous week, is enlightening. Christian and Muslim organisations based in America and comprising Americans of Indian origin have been effusive in welcoming the US State Department's patent discourtesy and callous disregard towards India's sensitivities as a sovereign nation. The Congress-led United Progressive Alliance government has set aside its political differences with the Bharatiya Janata Party. Apart from instructing the ministry of external affairs to summon the American ambassador to convey India's displeasure, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has made a full statement in Parliament, unambiguously expressing the government's 'very deep concern and regret over the US decision to deny a visa to a constitutionally elected Chief Minister of a state of our Union.' He has also put the issue in its proper perspective by stressing two facts: 'While we respect their (the USA's) sovereign right to grant or refuse visas to any person, we do not believe that it is appropriate to use allegations or anything less than due legal process to make a subjective judgement to question a constitutional authority in India.' 'Coalition Against Genocide,' floated by Indian Americans to block Mr Modi from entering the USA, can eat crow. laugh.gif So can United States Congressman Joe Pitts who has been going around bandying astonishing lies to defame Mr Modi. The USA is entirely within its rights not to grant a visa to any person anywhere in the world. It would be absurd to argue against this fundamental sovereign right of a nation. At the same time, it needs to be pointed out that by exercising this right while denying a visa to Mr Modi, the US administration has done precisely what it accuses its foes of: maligning America's democratically elected leaders by taking recourse to spit-and-run campaigns of calumny. We have heard American presidents and their officials rudely rubbish citizens' reports and media exposes as unfair indictment of those who rule the USA. Just because American soldiers have murdered, raped and pillaged in My Lai, scorched people and their land in Vietnam with napalm, indulged in ghastly torture and denial of human dignity at Abu Ghreib; simply because CIA operatives have subverted democracy in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala; merely because the US State Department has propped up Augusto Pinochet in Chile, Fulgencio Batists in Cuba, Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines and a succession of killer generals in Pakistan; and, only because US foreign policy has fathered monsters like Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, the commander-in-chief of the US army, the president of the USA, cannot be held responsible. If you don't agree, do not apply for an American visa. Perhaps the US State Department had not anticipated that political parties in India would close ranks and that the UPA government would take a firm stand against Washington's chicanery. It is entirely possible that analysts based at the American embassy in New Delhi were convinced that the Congress would cheer the decision to blackball Mr Modi and saw in their denial an excellent opportunity to score brownie points with the UPA regime. If so, then they got it horribly wrong. In any event, the US administration's supercilious attitude has been exposed by its casual application of a dubious American law to justify its shockingly contemptuous action. It is not often that a note verbale from the ministry of external affairs of any country requesting a diplomatic visa, that too for an elected constitutional authority, is ignored. The US has done so with impunity. There is more. The US State Department's claim that its decision to deny Mr Modi entry into America because he does 'not qualify for a visa under Section 212(a)(2)(G) of the US Immigration and Nationality Act which prohibits the admission to the United States of any foreign government official responsible for serious violations of religion freedom' hides more than it reveals. The specific section of the Immigration and Nationality Act that has been cited says, 'Any alien who, while serving as a foreign government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time during the preceding 24-month period, particularly severe violations of religious freedom, as defined in section 3 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, and the spouse and children, if any, are inadmissible.' Even if Mr Modi were to be guilty as charged by the US administration, American law does not debar him from securing a visa because more than 24 months have lapsed since the Godhra massacre and subsequent riots in Gujarat which occurred during the last days of February and early days of March 2002. In any event, Mr Modi has neither been charged with nor found guilty of being 'responsible for or (having) directly carried out particularly severe violations of religious freedom'by any court of law in India. The Justices Nanavati-Shah Commission of Inquiry, an entity empowered by the Constitution of India, is yet to submit its report. Confronted with a whiplash reaction from across the political spectrum in India, the US State Department has been left fumbling in its search for an articulate reason to justify its decision. It has flitted from clutching one straw to another. The various attributed and non-attributed statements that have emanated from New Delhi and Washington suggest that the US State Department has taken cognisance of the National Human Rights Commission's report on the Gujarat riots, allegations levelled by certain foreign-funded NGOs, a hate-Modi campaign by some Indian American groups and a letter sent to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice by Congressman Joe Pitts. Reports of the NHRC are not legally binding; its reports on Pakistan's active involvement in promoting cross-border terrorism that violates the human rights of Indians have been ignored by the US State Department. Findings of NGOs are not beyond judicial scrutiny (one NGO has been found to have passed off printed pamphlets as 'signed affidavits' in the Supreme Court of India) and wild allegations by fringe groups and individuals with a perverse mentality based in America cannot be the substitute for truth. For instance, one of the highlights of the 'Stop Modi' campaign in America is his alleged partiality towards Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. As evidence, stray sentences from a school textbook used in Gujarat have been cited. The fact, on the other hand, is that the book was prepared, published and enlisted as a prescribed textbook between 1986 and 1992 when neither Mr Modi nor the BJP was anywhere near power in Gujarat which was then ruled by the Congress. Mr Modi, on becoming chief minister, had this particular textbook removed from the list of prescribed schoolbooks. Rather Goebbelsian, this particular dumb charade to discredit 'Hitler Modi.' Similarly, anti-conversion laws are the gift of neither Mr Modi nor the BJP. Anti-conversions laws were adopted by Madhya Pradesh, followed by Orissa and Arunachal Pradesh, during the late 1960s and early 1970s after the Justice Neogi Commission found widespread rice bowl conversion by Christian evangelists luring poor people with promises of material benefit. The initiator of that move was the Congress; Mrs Indira Gandhi, and rightly so, was of the firm view that stringent anti-conversion laws should be adopted by every state government to prevent forcible conversions or conversions by inducement. Gujarat's law merely replicates what has existed in other parts of India for more than three decades. Whether or not Mr Modi was responsible for the horrific communal violence in Gujarat is yet to be determined by due legal process. (Congressman Pitt's letter makes no mention of the roasting alive of Hindus at Godhra, but that is only to be expected.) If mere allegations by 'citizens groups,' Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch were sufficient grounds to bar people from entering America, the 'Presidents', 'Kings', 'Princes' and 'Emirs' who preside over Middle East's criminal regimes would by now have been deprived of the pleasures of Las Vegas. Nor would General Pervez Musharraf have been a welcome guest in Washington if the US administration had taken its freedom of religion report on Pakistan as seriously as it has taken the bunkum about religious freedom in India. General Musharraf is wholly responsible for the ethnic cleansing in the Kashmir valley that has led to the destruction of the Kashmiri Pandit community. The fact that President Bush is in the process of writing Pakistan's military ruler, whose khaki is stained with the blood of thousands of Hindus, including at the Akshardham temple, killed by Islamic terrorists sponsored by him, a cheque for $630 million, is comment enough on American duplicity. Meanwhile, it would be useful for President George Bush to have a look, with the assistance of Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, at Section 3 of his country's International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 which defines 'particularly severe violations of religious freedom' as systematic, ongoing, egregious violations of religious freedom, including violations such as: torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment; prolonged detention without charges; causing the disappearance of persons by the abduction or clandestine detention of those persons; or other flagrant denial of the right to life, liberty, or the security of persons. The names of two places made infamous by American soldiers who salute him as their commander-in-chief should immediately leap to his mind -- Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. And it should strike President Bush, possibly after due prompting by Dr Rice, that he stands proven guilty on all the counts enumerated by Section 3 of the IRFA. We are well past the stage of accusations and charges.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 21 2005, 09:37 AM

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university in south
Nope. Universities apparently denied "visa" for said stellar appearance. Major significance here. The event was organized by the Save India Campaign - most famous for putting a Swastika (the 1939 version, not the 5000 BC version) on the Indian flag on their website. Neta Dr. Rajesh Chakrabarti, Asst. Prof, College of Mgmt, major technological university. Previously tried brining a University president to speak at said u. on "What to do to unseat Gujarat Govt." shortly after 2002 elections. Denied visa for the event by local univ. Authorities. Had to shift event to a restaurant on the outskirts of town, at $12 per head - reduced attendance from expected 200 to about 6 including 2 jingo spies. MAJOR INSULT for visiting univ. president. Next, Our Hero managed to organize a showing of the Gujarat Dork-Commentary by Josson. Someone went there and asked a question on who was funding the event - and was immediately bounced from the hall. This event slipped under the radar of the Univ. authorities, for which they expressed regret. It appears that neither this univ, nor far more commie-friendly other univ in town, agreed to host this Visiting Celebrity (associate) Prof. this time around. What an insult! Flush.gif Hence the forced relocation of the tamasha to the Desi Mall. It would take at least 20 attendees at $15/empty skull to pay the rental fee, I'm sure. Let me tell u about this wonderful mall. U could spend $4.50 on a soggy dosai on a paper plate with water out of a cooler, or u could go watch the $15 show, without going outdoors, though concepts such as "central heating" or "air conditioning" are unknown here. No info on attendance (this is what I mean - no dedicated "cadres" among the yindoo jingos to go sit outside and eat dosai and count commie-pakis like I see in all the European spy movies (spies sitting shivering in outdoor "cafes" saying: "THERE GOES A SPY!" every time a pedestrian is seen). Maybe it turned into a wild victory celebration and they all danced around in Mao coats (it was COLD) but I tend to doubt that too. The way this mall works is this - u see why it would be hard to do an accurate number count: Lets say XYZ org. conducts Major Presentation by Visiting Celebrity. Whole desi phamilies put on their best threads and show up, as usual, 1.5 hours late. Seconds later, the gravitational attraction of the jewelry store, the DVD store and the clothing store start acting on the jingoism-challenged Phamily members, so attendance comes down from 5 per phamily immediately to 1 or 0 per phamily. Then the Strong Force Field kicks in - the dosai / batoora windows are DIRECTLY opposite the DVD store. So - which would U choose - given that Phamily is with oneself - gaze at Rani Mukherjee's fat mug on a poster at great risk of lump on head, or take enthusiastic offspring across towards the smell of the dosai? I know someone who tried giving a PowerPoint Presentation at this Mall. As soon as the lights were dimmed and the first slide came up, most of the wimmens pinched their offspring on the bottom so that they started bawling, so they rushed them out - last seen heading towards the coordinates of the jewelry store.

Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 09:59 AM

ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif n3.gif. I wish onlee we got more such reports about Angana Chater-ji's visits, the entertainment value itself is thumbup.gif

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 10:03 AM

Guys n Gals, Do we know when this moron will open her mouth again? I want to send some spies to have fun. Better buy some eggs and keep it outside till she surface again. B.Raman article is on Dot. But these commie moron will never learn.

Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 10:10 AM

Well Mudy, believe she keeps her broom pretty busy, so many victory parades to attend. Members are of course requested to report sightings in the 'events' thread.

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Better buy some eggs and keep it outside till she surface again.
Err.... I guess you haven't see her pictures. No more comments from me on this subject. While on Angana Chaterjee subject, she had a website where she had deplored "attrocities" in Iraq along with the likes of Noam Chomsky. Where did the site go?

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 10:17 AM

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I guess you haven't see her pictures
I have seen picture and always look around while doing grocery shopping and in Library for "Darshan". One day I will. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 10:46 AM

user posted imageA chair on the podium intended for the chief guest was left vacant, in a mark of protest. "Five thousand years ago a chair was kept vacant for Sri Ramchandraji," said Sunil Nayak, co-chairman of the Association of Indian Americans of North America, alluding to Lord Ram's exile from Ayodhya.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 21 2005, 10:56 AM

Viren: pic u r rephering to may a bit "dated" - that was taken in the days when Dr. A.C. was a "Visiting PROFESSOR". Now promoted to ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR which is a longer and more impressive title. If u Google "Akhila Raman" u r likely to see more recent pic of A.Raman, A. C... and the confirmed (by Pakis) ISI agent "Kashmiri leader" in the US, Ghulam Nabi Fai chit-chatter(j)ing. I can't remember the site url.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 11:09 AM

her 2001 footoh - Angana Chatterji user posted image Note: Any dizziness or any sign of mental distress after seeing this picture please see Doctor immediately. This site is not responsible for any medical bill and mental distress.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 21 2005, 11:36 AM

NO personal comments pls. Strictly for recognition purposes only so that if you're strolling down the street in Islamabad or Beijing or Global Mall, Norcross, GA, and u see celebrities accompanied by fawning ISI / CPI-Marxist-Lenisist Comrade goons, u know whose authographs u can do without. P.S. wonder what she was smiling about - certainly nothing in her writings -ever - to cause anyone but the devilsmiley.gif to smile - thinking of all those Indian women and children in Kutch walking miles in the sun carrying pots of water so their families can drink, bathe, till the fields etc, while she sat around collecting awards for obstructing the Narmada project? Or contemplating all those orphans of the Vatsalya Trust who could be put out hungry on the streets when IDRF funding gets cut off due to her untiring efforts? Ultimately, this is what its all about.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 12:03 PM

QUOTE (AlbertPinto @ Mar 21 2005, 09:09 AM)
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/21raman.htm Not in India and among sections of Indians abroad. If one Indian stabs another Indian in the back with the help of a foreign power, he is considered a progressive, a liberal, a secularist. Cry, the beloved country!
Thankyou Mr Raman from the bottom of my heart. You have articulated my feelings about this matter better then I ever could.

Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 12:04 PM

On http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/2005/03/005296print.html Dr. Ashwini Rao is

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The president of the Indian Muslim Council-USA, Dr. Ashwini Rao of New York
and in less than 10 days i.e., http://www.coalitionagainstgenocide.org/press/pm.open.letter.php
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Dr. Ashwini Rao, Campaign to Stop Funding Hate
Seems like it's pretty easy with all these incestuous relations to come with a 'coalition'

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 12:06 PM

Mudy, Nausea already.. What have we done to deserve this ? I thought we were friends..

Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 12:07 PM

Came via email...

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in 1999, Ghulam Azam (also spelled as Gholam Azam or Golam Azam) was allowed into the U.S. in order to speak at the 24th Conference of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), held in Baltimore, Maryland from July 2-4.[i] Mr. Gholam Azam was the head of the Jamaat-e-Islami (JEI) (of Bangladesh), until 2000, and is reputedly a "war criminal", who directed the killings of many pro-Independence East Pakistani intellectuals, in the prelude to the 1971 struggle for independence in Bangladesh. Just before the attainment of independence (by the Bangladeshis), he fled to West Pakistan, but, a few years after the war, he was allowed to return to Bangladesh by President Zia-ur-Rahman who dropped secularism as one of the cornerstones of Bangladesh's constitution and embarked on a program of ashrafization of that country.[ii] Interestingly, at least two of the persons who attended the ICNA conference (as speakers) (Mohammed Naseem and Dr. Muzzammil Siddiqui) in 1999, along with Mr. Azam, were also invited to attend June 28, 2003 IMC-USA annual conference held in California.[iii] As you may know, the IMC-USA is a member organization of the “Coalition Against Genocide” (CAG) that led efforts to get the U.S. government to deny a visa to Mr. Modi. [i] http://www.washington-report.org/archives/September_1999/9909121.html [para 3] [ii] http://www.acdis.uiuc.edu/Research/OPs/Saikia/SaikiaOP.pdf [pg. 52, para 2, pg 53, para 3, and pg 97, the para on the JEI] http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/uae.asp?ArticleID=1803 http://www.usaid.gov/bd/files/ifes.pdf (see the “note” at the bottom of page 11) http://www.thedailystar.net/dailystarnews/200301/19/n3011902.htm#BODY4 (see para 2) (it seems that the “Islamic Society of North America” may also have invited Mr. Azam, but, thus far, I haven’t been able to get much info on this issue). http://www.redress.org/publications/Bangladesh.pdf (see the last footnote, at the end of pg 27). http://waf.gn.apc.org/journal6p53.htm (see para 3). [iii] http://www.washington-report.org/archives/September_1999/9909121.html [para 3] http://www.imc-usa.org/convention/ [click on “and more” at the end of the list of “confirmed speakers” on the right of the page, and then, scroll to see “more” at the end of the list of “invited” speakers] [iv] http://www.jamaat.org/news/pr120603.html (para’s 1 and 7).

Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 21 2005, 12:26 PM

No point cribbing about United States' double standards, they'll always exist. What is important is why Uncle did it and what we can do to prevent such nonsense from occuring again.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 12:43 PM

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What is important is why Uncle did it
1) To show India can be pushed around, dreaming of super power is complete nonsense. 2) Make Christian lobby Happy. 3) Telling Leftist international movement "We are with you" 4) Make Mullah lobby happy. 5) Create instability in India. 6) Make Pakistanis happy, now deliver what we want. 7) Creating a fifth column of anti-indians which can be used as and when required. There is no shortage of self destructive Indians and Indian origin.
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and what we can do to prevent such nonsense from occurring again
1) Identify enemy. 2) Boycott these ba$tards publicly. No funds to them and their charities. ASHA, AID etc 3) let everyone know when they will surface again. 4) United action is needed. 5) Educated Indians in India, how destructive are these people for India and rest of world. 6) So called socialism or secularism of these jokers should be exposed. 7) When these Indian Muslim and Indian Christian organization can unite and destroy Hindus image, why can't Hindus unite and at least be defensive and reply. It is garbage saying my friends are so and so they are nice. They may be nice on one to one basis but as a organization they are hurting Hindus, Gujarats and India’s image Wake up!! I have mailed my letter to Indian Ambassador, stating he failed to represent us in USA. Let these moron Babu know they are useless idiots, party time is over.

Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 12:46 PM

Vijanan, is someone undermining the trip rice made last week? Why? Who stands to gain in India-US squabble? It's important to highlight the hypocrisy of this self appointed champion of Muslim human rights who have yet to utter a word for Muslims dying in say Bangladesh (71) or today in Kashmir or Pakistan or Dafur.

Posted by: acharya Mar 21 2005, 12:46 PM

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in 1999, Ghulam Azam (also spelled as Gholam Azam or Golam Azam) was allowed into the U.S. in order to speak at the 24th Conference of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), held in Baltimore, Maryland from July 2-4.[i] Mr. Gholam Azam was the head of the Jamaat-e-Islami (JEI) (of Bangladesh), until 2000, and is reputedly a "war criminal", who directed the killings of many pro-Independence East Pakistani intellectuals, in the prelude to the 1971 struggle for independence in Bangladesh. Just before the attainment of independence (by the Bangladeshis), he fled to West Pakistan, but, a few years after the war, he was allowed to return to Bangladesh by President Zia-ur-Rahman who dropped secularism as one of the cornerstones of Bangladesh's constitution and embarked on a program of ashrafization of that country.[ii] Interestingly, at least two of the persons who attended the ICNA conference (as speakers) (Mohammed Naseem and Dr. Muzzammil Siddiqui) in 1999, along with Mr. Azam, were also invited to attend June 28, 2003 IMC-USA annual conference held in California.[iii] As you may know, the IMC-USA is a member organization of the “Coalition Against Genocide” (CAG) that led efforts to get the U.S. government to deny a visa to Mr. Modi.
ICNA is the PAKI JeI front in USA and its speakers and members also attend IMC-USA meeting. This is a clear connection between the fundamentalist organization JeI connection with IMC-USA which tries to potray a secular image in USA and elsewhere.,

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 12:48 PM

QUOTE (vijnan_anand @ Mar 21 2005, 12:26 PM)
No point cribbing about United States' double standards, they'll always exist. What is important is why Uncle did it and what we can do to prevent such nonsense from occuring again.
(1) Payback. (2) More effective lobbying in US. (3) Multi-partisan condemnation from India. (4) Expose the paki hand in this. People may say there is FIACONA involved and khalistanis involved and what not but I am convinced there is a paki hand in this. (5) Even after the paki hand people high up in USG think that they can get away with this. IOW they are 'managing' India. Little shock here, little tickle there. While giving in on some things India has to draw a redline for the US. Those lines should not be violated. That message needs to be sent out at all costs. (6) Get some answers from USINPAC and India caucus. What the heck have they been doing ? Having power lunches so they can brag about this 20 yrs later to their grandkids ? Pitts fellow has been anti-India for a long time and a mush-tush-kisser (or is it vice-versa?) then WTF is he doing in India caucus. (7) Raise the stakes for the other congressmen. We need to identify a few pukka pro-india congresspeople. Even if we are not part of their constituency we should donate directly to them. Nothing through USINPAC or other such orgs unless they explain what the heck they were doing while all this was going on - curing their tennis elbows ??

Posted by: LSrini Mar 21 2005, 01:13 PM

Mudy, Well put! That is exactly what we need to do. I think someone as suggested that we identify the network of Anti-Hindu and Anti-India organizations and people (Like the one that convervative right use in the US to identify the communist. http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/default.asp). This should be our number one priority. This would help us in educating fellow indians.

Posted by: Sudhir Mar 21 2005, 01:42 PM

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Report from Narain Kataria, New York March 20, 2005 will be written in golden letters in the annals of Indian Americans living in the tri-state area of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. On this day braving the rough weather, a sea of humanity thronged at Madison Square Garden Theatre right in the middle of New York City to listen to their beloved leader Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of Gujarat in India. Narendra Modi spoke via satellite to a jubilant crowd consisting of more than 5,000 strong people, and answered their questions. He delivered a very powerful speech. He kept the crowd spellbound for about one hour with his charm and wit. The magnificent spectacle was seen to be believed. More than 2000 people could not attend the celebration because they mistook refusal of visa to Narendra Modi as cancellation of the program. Narrating the progress achieved by the State of Gujarat during his short tenure of three years or so, Mr. Modi said that Gujarat has become one of the most prosperous states in India. I want to make Gujarat a model state for other states to emulate. In Bharat, the first ‘Green Revolution’ was brought in by Punjab, but the second Green Revolution will be produced by Gujarat. In the past, India had been the Jagat-Guru, the Teacher of the World, for most of the mankind before we went into decline. Very soon, we are going to regain our rightful place in the comity of nations. ‘Knowledge is Power’ and we are genetically endowed with it. Hence, Twenty-First Century rightly belongs to India. When asked as to what his ‘reaction’ was to the denial of visa by US State Department, Mr. Modi quipped, “I do not believe in ‘reactions.’ I believe in action. I plan to make Gujarat and the rest of India so prosperous, vibrant and peaceful that there would be a queue for visa in America to go to India.” In another question as to what Indian youth could do to help India, Mr. Modi suggested that if each one of the Indian Americans convinces only five non-Indian families in a year for visiting India, that would create a positive understanding of India and boost the Indian tourist industry ten fold. That will be your contribution to the Puniya-bhoomi Bharat. Most prominent leaders of Indian community were present on the occasion and each one addressed the gathering briefly. As a mark of protest, one throne-like royal looking seat in the center of stage right in the midst of all prominent community leaders had been left vacant for Narendra Modi who could not be with them because of the refusal of visa by US State Department. Referring to the vacant seat Sunil Nayak, one of the co-Chair of the Event said that this was the second time in India’s History that a throne had been kept vacant; the first time when Lord Rama went to Vanvas 5,000 years ago and the second time when Narendra Modi is not allowed to come to this country. US Congressman Frank Pallone got a spontaneous uproarious applause from the audience when he said, “It was a big mistake on the part of US to deny a visa to a constitutionally and democratically elected Chief Minister.” Dr. Mahesh Mehta, the Founder/Chairman of Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America, lashing out at the anti-Hindu forces, emphasized that it was incumbent upon us to identify the anti-India elements and their sympathizers who have unleashed the hateful campaign of vilification and denigration against peace loving Hindu people, and expose their nefarious designs. Dr. Mukund Mody, the Founder of the Overseas Friends of BJP said, “The denial of visa was based on wild accusations and distortions by those who indulged in a smear campaign against the Indian leader.” He further stated that The State Department had violated a fundamental principle of the American justice “innocent until proven guilty.” “India has not produced the slave-drivers but Lord Buddha.” “India has not produced Hiroshama nuclear bombers but produced Mahatma Gandhi, declared Dr. Mody. Dr. Sudhakar Reddy, the co-Chairman of the event said that Narendra Modi is a man with the capital “M.” He is a great visionary and a dynamic leader. He is a Nishkam Karamyogi. We adore him. He is not just a leader of Gujarat State; he is truly a national leader. If and when he comes to New York in person, I promise, we will give him a resounding reception befitting the stature of a head of state in which 20,000 people will participate. Outside the Theater, about 30 laugh.gif Indian and Pakistani Moslems were shouting slogans against India and Mr. Modi. Narain Kataria Event Coordinator

Posted by: acharya Mar 21 2005, 01:47 PM

QUOTE (Viren @ Mar 21 2005, 07:46 AM)
Vijanan, is someone undermining the trip rice made last week? Why? Who stands to gain in India-US squabble? It's important to highlight the hypocrisy of this self appointed champion of Muslim human rights who have yet to utter a word for Muslims dying in say Bangladesh (71) or today in Kashmir or Pakistan or Dafur.
There is a small ANTI-INDIA lobby in US establishment since India got its independence. This cannot be wished away but they had a upper hand on Indo-US relationship for a long time. The trend seems to be the same always. Whenever a partnership between India US starts and SOS visits India there is some controversy which erupts to give an impression that US India relationship is going downward. This lobby is always there and gets the support of other indian organization who really do not know who they are dealing with. This lobby also is in syn with the Pak lobby in US.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 02:04 PM

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Posted by: ramana Mar 21 2005, 02:08 PM

The Indian newspaper editorial staff seems confused on how to deride Modi when the UPA govt. is upset about the vias denial issue. Eg. read the Deccan Chronicle columnists on Modi.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 02:11 PM

Although not completely related this is a sensible article. But I am afraid with the latest move US has undermined what support and goodwill it had earned over the last 5-6 years. It has unilaterally undermined and degraded Ind-US relations. In gujarati there is a saying "you cannot clap with one hand". Mr Pressler is trying but unfortunately evanjehadis like Pitts have hijacked the US foreign policy.. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/21/opinion/21pressler.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1111439109-E7IubJytvl6OMgkVdk1CSA

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Dissing Democracy in Asia By LARRY PRESSLER Published: March 21, 2005 Washington ONE big story from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's trip to South Asia was that once again Washington's policymakers are trying to send F-16 jet fighters to Pakistan. This is like a broken record - the argument has come up repeatedly since 1990, when an amendment I wrote quashed a deal involving 28 of the planes - but unfortunately this time the sale may well happen. Pakistan is a declared ally in the fight against terrorism, and thus we give it huge amounts of military aid. But F-16's have nothing to do with fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban. So what is really going on here? The answer is entwined in two decades of misguided United States policy toward India and Pakistan. The truth is, we should have a robust pro-India stance. India is a democracy with a free market and a highly developed system of human rights. It could become our major bulwark against China in East Asia. It also has a large Muslim minority and, generally speaking, is an example of tolerance. And we have a mutually beneficial trade relationship with India that is helping us keep our technological edge. (Disclosure: I am on the board of Infosys Technologies, an Indian software company.) Pakistan, on the other hand, is a corrupt, absolute dictatorship. It has a horrendous record on human rights and religious tolerance, and it has been found again and again to be selling nuclear materials to our worst enemies. It claims to be helping us to fight terrorism, although many intelligence experts have suggested that most of our money actually goes to strengthening the rule of Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Yes, during the cold war India often sided with the Soviet Union while Pakistan went with the United States. Some old hands at the Pentagon still seem to think we should be rewarding Pakistan for that. But the cold war is long over. We have given the Pakistanis their due many times over. From the late 1970's to the mid-1990's, as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, I repeatedly warned that Pakistan was selling nuclear materials to other nations. Administrations, both Democratic and Republican, turned a blind eye; they even got leaders of our intelligence community to say that I didn't know what I was talking about. Well, everything I said has been proved absolutely true - to an even more worrisome degree than I had described. Our military-industrial complex, which I believe dominates our foreign policy, favors Pakistan not only because we can sell it arms, but also because the Pentagon would often rather deal with dictatorships than democracies. When a top Pentagon official goes to Pakistan, he can meet with one general and get everything settled. On the other hand, if he goes to India, he has to talk to the prime minister, the Parliament, the courts and, God forbid, the free press. Meeting with Pakistani leaders last week, Secretary Rice did say she looked forward to "the evolution of a democratic path toward elections in 2007." But she neither asked for nor received any sort of guarantees about elections, human rights or freedom of the press. She did bring up nuclear proliferation, but only in a perfunctory way. Likewise, President Bush had General Musharraf as a guest at Camp David in 2003, apparently without ever mentioning the administration's democracy program. This all makes a mockery of President Bush's inaugural speech in January, and is a prime example of the sort of dictator-coddling that, eventually, always comes back to haunt us. We need a fundamental policy shift for the subcontinent. First, we should enthusiastically improve our treatment of India. We should not reject Pakistan entirely - we need it as an ally - but to treat India and Pakistan the same is a great mistake. Instead, we need to speak frankly in public about Pakistan's democratic and human-rights failures, as well as acknowledge that we can achieve our objectives in Pakistan with a much lower level of aid and a closer eye to ensuring that it goes toward the fight against terrorists. And we should not sell it any F-16's. We should also make it clear that we will favor India in all major regional disputes. Without American support, Pakistan would be forced to drop its claims to the disputed region of Kashmir, as well as end its support of the region's Muslim militants (whom many in our intelligence services feel have ties to Al Qaeda). Freeing ourselves from our profitless Pakistan policy would allow us to look clearly at the biggest problem in the region: China. We should tell Beijing that we will help India match China's arms buildup and that we will work toward a modified free-trade agreement with India to help it offset China's state-dominated trade practices. The Bush administration is right to put the expansion of liberty and democracy at the center of its foreign policy. But as long as we favor dictatorships like Pakistan over free countries like India, the world will be right not to take our words seriously.

Posted by: acharya Mar 21 2005, 02:12 PM

Very good point. The Indian media was a fake media which was manufacturing consent in the national polity and public life in India for 40 years. Media was under the control of the 'internationalists' who are in turn under the control of the major powers. Now they are genuinly confused since ithis event is based on national interest and it clashes with thier internaitonal agenda, THe game is up.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 02:36 PM

Coalition against Anti India Groups http://caaig.blogspot.com/ I will update this list.

Posted by: acharya Mar 21 2005, 03:15 PM

Has anybody figgured out how does it please PAk US decision to please Pak: BJP Onkar Singh in New Delhi | March 21, 2005 23:52 IST Senior leaders of the Bharatiya Janata Party will meet on Tuesday to decide the future course of action to protest against the United States' decision to deny Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi a visa to visit that country. Party president Lal Kishenchand Advani will head the meeting. Speaking to rediff.com, BJP spokesman Vijay Kumar Malhotra said, "Advaniji has called a meeting of senior party leaders in his (Advani's) chamber in the parliament house on Tuesday morning before the two houses meet for the day." "After the meeting, we will let you know our next plan," he added Malhotra alleged that the US decision was taken with an eye to please Pakistan. Modi, who was scheduled to start a five-day visit to the US from Sunday, addressed a meeting in New York's Madison Square via a satellite link on Monday. Earlier reports:

Posted by: k.ram Mar 21 2005, 03:19 PM

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Indian Muslim Councl-USA Participates in Pluralism Rally Demands Supporters of Modi to stop fueling Anti-American Hatred ROTFL.gif Contact: M. A. Khan Director of Outreach, IMC-USA Tel: 516-567-0783 media@imc-usa.org For Immediate Release New York, NY; March 21st, 2005: Braving snow and rain, over 300 activists and representatives of 50 organizations held a press conference and rally outside Madison Square Gardens, New York to endorse the US State Department’s revocation of Narendra Modi’s Visa and condemn his anti-American incitements. Having been barred from entering the United States, Modi was expected to deliver a speech from Gujarat via a satellite link to his supporters at the Madison Square Gardens. The rally and press conference were extensively covered by Indian and American media. Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of the state of Gujarat in India, was denied a US diplomatic visa by the US State Department for his involvement in flagrant human rights abuses against minorities in India. His existing tourist/business visa was also revoked. Over 2,000 people, mainly Muslims, were massacred, hundreds of women and young girls were raped and an estimated 150,000 were ethnically cleansed from Gujarat in 2002 while Modi was the Chief Minister. Modi is also accused by human rights groups of persistent violence and harassment of Christians and other marginalized communities in Gujarat. Modi’s administration has imposed a ban on religious conversions and missionary activities. Addressing the rally, several speakers countered Modi’s claim about the denial of his visa being an insult to India. Dr. Shaik Ubaid, President of Indian Muslim Council-USA said “It was Modi and his human rights abuses, not the revocation of his visa, which brought shame to India. If supporters of militant Hindutva had the interests of India close to their heart, they would not have invited a fanatic like Modi to the United States.” Dr. Ubaid denounced Modi's incitements and hate speeches against the United States and the subsequent destruction of American business in Gujarat by Modi supporters. He demanded that the Association of Indian Americans in North America (AIANA) not add further fuel to this anti-Americanism by supporting Modi and demanding the reinstatement of his Visa. Supporters of Modi had destroyed several American businesses in Gujarat after Modi addressed a rally in India lambasting United States. Smita Narula, a former Asia specialist at Human Rights Watch, who authored the damning HRW report “We Have No Orders To Save You” spoke at length about the complicity of Modi’s administration in the massacres of 2002 and the subsequent policies of religious persecution adopted by his administration. Several speakers called upon the Prime Minister of India, Mr. Manmohan Singh to focus on delivering justice to the victims of the Gujarat pogroms rather than campaigning for the instatement of visa for a mass murderer who presided over the violence and feels no remorse for his actions. Addressing the demonstration, Anu Gurnani of Manavi (an organization for South Asian women) said “We condemn the state-sponsored violence and systematic targeting of women and children that took place under Modi’s leadership. We demand that the perpetrators of sexual violence be brought to justice and that victims receive adequate assistance to rebuild their lives”. Biju Matthew, member of the Coalition Agianst genocide (CAG) and coordinator for the rally, spoke about the major victories of CAG in its campaign against Modi. Among the accomplishments of the coalition, he cited the withdrawal of MSNBC Hardball host, Chris Matthews’ from the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA)’s convention where Modi was invited to speak. American Express, one of the cosponsors of the AAHOA convention also withdrew its sponsorship. Congressman Kendric Meek (D-FL 17th), who was to host a reception for Modi at the AAHOA convention also withdrew upon pressure from CAG. In addition, CAG also worked with 21 congressmen who wrote to the US State Department to not allow Modi to enter United States. Congressmen John Conyers (D-MI 14th) and Joseph Pitts (R-PA 16th) introduced a resolution in the House condemning Modi’s human rights record. The US State Department finally rejected Modi’s visa upon a sustained campaign orchestrated by Coaliton Against Genocide. Wilson Jose of the Indian Christian Forum (ICF) spoke about the perils of the monochromatic “saffron” vision that Hindu nationalists have for India and emphasized on the need for the celebration of plurality and diversity in the Indian polity. Some of the other speakers who addressed the gathering were Dr. Ashwini Rao (Coalition Against Genocide), Dr. Usha Zacharias, Ranjit Singh (President of Tri State CAG), Abraham Mammen (ICF). Posters Galore The activists brought to the rally a large number of eye catching posters. Some of these stated Love India? Save India? Stop funding Hate, Stop funding Hindutva Modi, forget about US visa, you can easily get a visa to the Hague Silence is violence Speak up against Hindutva Rally for justice, Rally for peace Rescue Gandhi's Gujarat from communal atrocities Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians, Brothers and Sisters, we are all Indians! United, lets all work for a Harmonious, Peaceful and Prosperous India ! The rally and press conference were organized by members of two umbrella groups, the Coalition Against Genocide (CAG) and its New York based associate, the Tri-State CAG. These umbrella groups represent over 50 organizations and have come together to promote pluralism and tolerance and voice their opinion against sectarian politics in India. Members of CAG and Tri-State CAG include organizations representing a diversity of faiths, ethnicities and ideologies. They includes women’s groups, human rights organizations, representatives of Hindu, Christian, Muslim and Sikh communities as well as organizations of secular persuasion.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 03:26 PM

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=66895

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Modi gets a Red Card If Modi is ever to be sent a message, the Indian voter will do it, not the US embassy’s visa officer ASHOK MALIK Public discourse in India is so often nothing but an extension of partisan political beliefs. As such, the reaction to the United States’ revocation of Narendra Modi’s business/tourist visa has been predictable. Modi’s adherents point to Washington’s double standards. It regularly hosts Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi regime, for instance. Modi’s enemies see this as evidence he is a global pariah. Finally, there are the Indian communists, who have used the occasion to attack both Modi and America. Lost in this pool of polemic are four lessons. To ignore them would be self defeating, in the long run, for Washington and the saffron family alike. One, as they rush to promote democracy in the Middle East and elsewhere, America’s ebullient neo-cons need to recognise its complex nature. Simply, it doesn’t always give you results you may deem desirable. Take Modi. Strictly speaking there is no legal case against him. He is as guilty of murder as, say, V.P. Singh was of burning students during the anti-Mandal protests. What he can be accused of is cynicism, passivity before mob fury, using the anger in Gujarat in 2002 to earn a mandate built on prejudice. This may make some feel queasy, but it is hardly a unique phenomenon. There is political space in India — as in the US — for a nativist, socially conservative vote that draws from faith-based sources. Modi has come to represent this space in Gujarat/India, just as, say, Jesse Helms, Ronald Reagan’s Republican colleague, did in North Carolina/the US till recently. If Modi disappears tomorrow, this political space will not also go away. Curbing this space is not a matter of law but of politics. Democracy has its own built-in correctives. Take another example, that of George Wallace, Democrat governor of the US state of Alabama on four occasions between 1963 and 1987. In his first term, Wallace was a segregationist, the hard face of Jim Crowism. He opposed the civil rights movement, shrugged his shoulders at racial violence. In one chilling incident, four black schoolgirls were killed when a bomb exploded outside a church in the Alabama city of Birmingham. Was Wallace guilty of this bombing? No. Did he contribute to and feed upon the mood? Yes. Wallace was loved by his people, demonised by those he dismissed as ‘‘pointy-headed pseudo-intellectuals’’. He was 1960s America’s Narendra Modi. Yet, in 1983, Wallace was elected for his final term by a surging black support. He had made his peace with the community, was one of the African-American citizen’s biggest champions. He still attacked the liberals, this time for being anti-religion, pro-big government. Today, Wallace is dead, but the Wallace coalition — old white southerners, now mobilised by Baptist churches and joined by religious blacks — is very much alive. It 2004, it helped George W. Bush win a famous victory. Why did Wallace change from, frankly, racist to integrationist? He reacted to market conditions. He realised the political framework had evolved, the popular pulse was different, and sought to tailor his politics to new realities, a ‘‘new South’’. The Wallace of 1963 was defeated not by legal means — or by denied visas — but by the wondrous nature of democracy, a system that ensures you cannot ignore some of the people all of the time. If Modi is ever to be sent a message, the Indian voter will do it, not the US embassy’s visa officer. There are three ancillary but more immediate lessons too. First, in snubbing political entities that are potential tactical allies, a Republican administration has, paradoxically, pleased only those protest groups that are no friends of Uncle Sam. Does America want to cultivate a constituency in India beyond the outsourcing industry, liberal arts visiting professors and Track II seminarists? It is a question only it can answer. Second, India and America may be proverbial ‘‘natural allies’’ but in Washington there is no ‘‘natural’’ logic. If the anti-Hindutva brigade has got away with claiming Modi approved a textbook glorifying Hitler — it was actually prescribed under a Congress government in 1993 and can hardly, in any case, be pinned upon the incumbent chief minister — it means saffron lobbying on Capitol Hill is woefully inadequate. Finally, despite the rhetoric, it is in Modi’s interests to get that visa revocation annulled. It is all very well to argue that former Nazi Kurt Waldheim was kept out of America while he was Austria’s president, 1986-92. The fact is India has more of a stake in America now than Austria did 20 years ago. It cannot seriously serve Modi’s quest for higher office if America decides to be bloody-minded and persists with the red card. The sooner this ends, the better for him.

Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 03:33 PM

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Posted by: acharya Mar 21 2005, 03:43 PM

Was there an effigy burnt, There was no news on that This is disinformation

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The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate PRESS RELEASE Date/Time: Sunday, March 20, 2005 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Modi Visa not India's Pride! Stop RSS Mission to Regain Lost Political Ground! The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate Calls for Popular Resistance to the Funding of Violent, Sectarian Hindutva India Must Probe Moneys Flowing into India Under the Guise of Charity, says CSFH NEW YORK and SAN FRANCISCO: The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate (CSFH), part of the network of 38 organizations that came together as the Coalition Against Genocide (CAG) to carry on a sustained, month-long resistance to Narendra Modi's visit to the U.S., calls on all Americans, especially those tracing their ancestry to India, to respond to the new awareness against funding the politics of hate and ethnic/communal violence. CSFH denounces attempts by politicians in India to characterize the revocation of Mr. Modi's visa by the U.S. as a blow to India's national pride. Instead, CSFH considers the action of the U.S. State Department in declaring Mr. Modi inadmissible to the U.S. as a show of support for groups working for social justice in India, as well as for those in the United States who were appalled by the anti-minority carnage engineered by the forces of Hindutva ("Hindutva" is a fascism-inspired worldview advocated by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a violent, sectarian organization dedicated to overthrowing the secular, democratic state and establishing a Hindu theocracy in India) in Gujarat in early 2002, and have since organized and campaigned against Hindutva's fund-raising networks and political alliances in the United States. The cancellation of Mr. Modi's visit is a serious blow to the attempts by the Sangh Parivar (the Sangh Parivar, usually just called the "Sangh," is the family of Hindutva organizations spawned and controlled by the RSS in India, and has a widespread network of supporters and front organizations operating in the United States and United Kingdom. The BJP, Mr. Modi's political party, is the parliamentary front of the Sangh Parivar) to regain the political, ideological and monetary support it lost in the U.S. after engineering the anti-minority pogroms in Gujarat in early 2002. Mr. Modi, as a leader of the Sangh Parivar and the Chief Minister of Gujarat then and now, provided active support to the Sangh Parivar mobs, and has since used the machinery of the state not only to obstruct attempts to rehabilitate the victims and to bring the perpetrators to justice, but also to continually harass and threaten the Christian and Muslim minorities in Gujarat. Hence, the recognition by the Bush administration of Mr. Modi's culpability for his crimes against humanity is heartening to those who love India. CSFH calls on the Indian government to not lag behind human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, who have all pointed to the funds raised by the Sangh Parivar from the Indian diaspora as a major source of funding for the criminal activities of Mr. Modi and his Sangh Parivar brethren, and to begin its own inquiry into their fund-raising pipelines from the U.S. to India. Extensive documentation on the Sangh's fund-raising activities in the U.S. has been made available by CSFH on its website . In the last few weeks, CSFH has coordinated and organized multiple forms of resistance against the corporate sponsors of Mr. Modi. In the wake of the U.S. state department's dual-action of denying a diplomatic visa to Mr. Modi and simultaneously revoking the tourist & business visa originally granted to him in 1998, CSFH calls for a larger movement to weed out Hindutva and to expose its infiltration of educational institutions, ethno-social groups, religious organizations and corporations in America. "The Sangh may have been politically marginalized for the moment in the U.S. and in India, but its capacity for hatred is unbounded and we cannot slacken our efforts to challenge, expose and terminate their funding flows," said CSFH spokesperson Girish Agrawal, and added that "This is a unique moment to hold the Sangh responsible for its devious methods of garnering ideological support and raising funds in the U.S." CSFH notes that in revoking Narendra Modi's permission to visit the U.S., the state department cited a section of U.S. laws that are gathered together as "Criminal Grounds of Inadmissibility" under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). This should be a powerful warning, of their own potential culpability, to all organizations and individuals who invited Mr. Modi and were planning on sponsoring events or hosting him or providing him a venue to speak. This list includes not only the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA), whose members collectively represent a plurality of hotel properties in the U.S., the primary movers behind Mr. Modi's planned visit, but also American Express, which is a sponsor of the AAHOA forum where Mr. Modi was to speak. CSFH is appalled to see that a respected university in California had also planned on honoring Narendra Modi, by having him inaugurate, of all things, a centre for India studies. This act by the California State University, Long Beach, is akin to inviting a Nazi to inaugurate a Jewish studies center. Mr. Modi's now cancelled visit to the U.S. was planned by the Sangh Parivar as part of its strategy to rehabilitate Hindutva in the U.S. following its rejection by the electorate in India, and to oil its funding pipelines from the Indian diaspora in the United States. To tests the waters, the RSS had earlier sent out its spokesman Ram Madhav on a tour of the U.S. CSFH had mounted a campaign of protests against that visit, resulting in a serious ideological setback for the Sangh in the U.S. Mr. Madhav spent his time in the U.S. trying to paint a rosy picture of the Sangh and touting its strong connections on Capitol Hill, but in the wake of the revocation of Mr. Modi's visa, both he and Mr. Modi seem to have forgotten all their professions of friendship towards the U.S. Reacting to the revocation of Mr. Modi's visa, Mr. Madhav questioned the right of the United States to talk about human rights violations: "Who is the US to talk about human rights violations? What is happening in Iraq? What is happening in Afghanistan?" Mr. Modi and Mr. Madhav have spent the last two days giving incendiary anti-American speeches, resulting in Sangh Parivar mobs attacking American businesses and consular offices in Gujarat. Where basic moral and ethical considerations did not move them, the leadership of AAHOA has now withdrawn its invitation to Mr. Modi, frightened by the potential fall-out of the Sangh Parivar's violent display of anti-Americanism, including burning the American flag and burning President Bush in effigy, on their members' businesses, most of whom operate small hotel properties, and on the immigration prospects of their family members in Gujarat. CSFH urges the AAHOA membership to ask its leadership to either publicly renounce their financial and ideological support of the Sangh Parivar, or failing that, to step down and let the organization return to its function of representing the business interests of its membership. CSFH also asks that the AAHOA find a way to apologize for having dishonored the memory of the victims of the 2002 pogroms by inviting one of the chief architects of the massacre to be its guest of honor. CSFH considers the determination by the state department that Mr. Modi is inadmissible to the U.S. on grounds of criminality as a clear victory for supporters of human rights and justice in the U.S. and in India. It sends a clear message that perpetrators of religious and political persecution can be held accountable for their actions through dedicated work and through international alliances for social justice. Indian and U.S. groups share a long, common tradition of battling for human rights, and securing justice for the oppressed that CSFH and its partners in the Coalition Against Genocide will continue to build on. ---------------------------------------------------- Courtesy: Harsh Kapoor /SACW www.sacw.net

Posted by: acharya Mar 21 2005, 03:45 PM

modi's stone turned.. US sanctioned no visa to Modi for his proposed visit to US and both US and Modi have claimed lot of space and footage in the media.The tom and jerry style episode has its own implications.The US as usual has attempted to provide some cushion to its imperial strategies by saying no entry to modi type.The aim more seems to target Indian secular democracy and her stance on global imperialism designed by US and side tracked by not India alone but other democracies not giving in for US rule. The BJP is most favoured political section by US and Congress+ is most unwanted one now in central power.The stand taken by Manmohan singh has worked like double edged knife that cut through so smoothly between US imperials and indigenius fascists that it's going to wide open legendry Pandora's Box and sharpen their respective versions on pure democracy and purer imperialism.So BJP's bunch of thought on Modi and US representing fascism and imperialism is at stake for the moment. The review of granting visa now in the news , may not necessarily result into modi's visit since he has secured so much by initial denial first by US and now it's his turn to refuse on his own in case it is granted without any ifs and buts. Somehow US has tried to play an old game , accomplished by British empire during 19th century trying to divide the Indians on communal lines.The only difference is the British did it by writing Indian HIstory on communal lines that gave base for the then extreme right wing groups who nurtured it further to their adventage. Now the uncle Tom has tried to talk direct in terms of religious freedom v/s communal violence ;But the Indian Govt. has best tried to cover Modi in official terms and BJP has lost one more issue to strike back.Modi's stone stand turned upside down and BJP can only overseer him without comments ewither against US or MMS back home .

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 03:47 PM

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Was there an effigy burnt, There was no news on that This is disinformation
Yes, In Bombay, Delhi, couple of cities in Gujarat , AP, MP, Raj, etc.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 03:50 PM

http://www.hindu.com/2005/03/22/stories/2005032206021100.htm

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Help make India powerful, Modi tells U.S. Indians By Manas Dasgupta GANDHINAGAR, MARCH 21. Despite a drizzle, about 5,000 Gujaratis and other Indians settled in the United States gathered in New York City's Madison Square Garden today to see and hear on a giant screen the Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, through a video-conferencing link. Mr. Modi was to travel to the U.S. but was denied a visa by the Bush administration. During the video-conferencing, that began at 5.30 a.m. today and lasted for about an hour and forty minutes, Mr. Modi also answered questions from laypersons and journalists. He, however, avoided any criticism of the U.S. Government. "I have no reaction," he told a questioner when asked about the denial of visa to him. "We should only take a resolve to make India such a powerful country that the world will make a beeline to seek visa and come to India," he said. He said the concern and shock of the Indians in the U.S. was natural on his being denied a visa on flimsy grounds, "but the solidarity of the Indians wherever they are is our real strength." Mr. Modi asked the NRIs in the U.S. to "ensure that opinions about your motherland are not formed on the basis of propaganda but after verification of facts. You will have to watch that decisions about your beloved country are not taken on the basis of contentions of a handful of vested interests or motivated groups." Outlining India's guiding principle of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam, Mr. Modi regretted that of late theocratic states and military dictatorships were "scoring better" in international diplomacy. "Freedom does not only mean allowing people to shout in a way that the other voice cannot be heard. Principles of democracy are based on justice and the course of justice necessarily involves the process of natural justice," he said. Mr. Modi spoke about Gujarat as an investment destination and listed its infrastructural facilities and natural resources. India and the U.S., he said, were the two largest democracies in the world forged together by many common beliefs and traditions. And the Gujaratis living in the U.S., who had displayed the highest levels of professionalism and values, was a major reason for the bondage between the two countries.

Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 03:51 PM

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Was there an effigy burnt, There was no news on that This is disinformation
Isn't this Harsh Kapoor the French Marxists sympathsizer who Comrade Abdul Bin Mao pointed in his thread about http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=753

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 03:52 PM

http://www.hindu.com/2005/03/22/stories/2005032206640100.htm

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Modi: U.S. sticks to its guns By Our Special Correspondent NEW DELHI, MARCH 21. Despite the Indian Government's request to reconsider the issue, the United States will not grant an entry visa to the Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi. This was communicated by the U.S. Embassy here to the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) today. In a brief statement to the press, the U.S. Ambassador, David C. Mulford, reiterated Washington's earlier stand that Mr. Modi could not be granted a diplomatic visa as the purpose for which he wished to travel to the U.S. did not make him eligible for one. As for the Gujarat Chief Minister's existing tourist/business visa, he said this had been revoked under Section 212 (a) (2) (g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which made any foreign government official who "was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom" ineligible for a visa. "The MEA requested that the Department of State review the decision to revoke his tourist/business visa," Mr. Mulford said. "Upon review, the State Department re-affirmed the original decision." Reacting to the decision, the MEA spokesman said that the Government of India "regrets that in spite of its demarche ... for an urgent reconsideration of their decision to deny a visa to Mr. Modi ... the U.S. has not revised its decision ... This disregards the fact of the constitutional position of the Chief Minister of Gujarat as a democratically elected leader and appears to be based on selective judgment."

Posted by: Sudhir Mar 21 2005, 03:55 PM

Trivia question What do Nobel Prize-winning novelists Gabriel Garcia Marquez of Colombia and Carlos Fuentes of Mexico, English novelist Graham Greene, Polish poet Czeslaw Milosz, Vienna State Opera Director Joseph Krips, French entertainer Maurice Chevalier and actor Yves Montand, former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau and Gujarat CM Modi all have in common biggrin.gif

Posted by: acharya Mar 21 2005, 03:56 PM

They were denied Visa to US

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 03:58 PM

High time, give Nobel Peace Prize to Modi.

Posted by: acharya Mar 21 2005, 04:00 PM

http://mha.nic.in/fore.htm Receipt of foreign contribution during 2000-2001 1. 22,924 associations stood registered under the Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act, 1976 as on 31st March 2001. 2. 638 associations were granted prior permission to receive foreign contribution during 2000-2001. 3. 14,598 associations filed returns for 2000-2001. 4. The receipt of foreign contribution during 2000-2001 amounted to Rs 4535.23 crores. This represents a 15.56% increase over the amount received in the previous year (Rs 3924.63 crores). 5. Among the states and union territories, Delhi reported the largest amount (Rs 763.05 crores) followed by Tamil Nadu (Rs 649.45 crores) and Andhra Pradesh (Rs 589.52 crores). 6. The United States of America (Rs 1492.62 crores) heads the list of donor countries, followed by the United Kingdom (Rs 677.59 crores), and Germany (Rs 664.51 crores). 7. The leading donor agency was World Vision International, USA (Rs 80.43 crores), followed by Foster Parents Plan International, USA (Rs. 76.37 crores), and Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, USA (Rs. 68.11 crores). 8. The largest recipient of foreign contribution was Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, Andhra Pradesh (Rs 88.18 crores), followed by World Vision of India, Tamil Nadu (Rs 85.42 crores) and Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society India, Maharashtra (Rs. 74.88 crores). 9. Among the purposes, the largest amount was received for Rural Development (Rs 547.74 crores) followed by Health care & Family Welfare (Rs 432.98 crores), and Relief for natural calamities (Rs 339.77 crores). FOR ATTENTION

Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 21 2005, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Sudhir @ Mar 22 2005, 04:25 AM)
Trivia question What do Nobel Prize-winning novelists Gabriel Garcia Marquez of Colombia and Carlos Fuentes of Mexico, English novelist Graham Greene, Polish poet Czeslaw Milosz, Vienna State Opera Director Joseph Krips, French entertainer Maurice Chevalier and actor Yves Montand, former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau and Gujarat CM Modi all have in common biggrin.gif
Add Erdos to the list

Posted by: Krishna Mar 21 2005, 04:25 PM

if mushrat can be on the list for noble-peace-prize candidates and AraFAT actually wins it.........Modi should get it hands down!

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 04:37 PM

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050322/asp/nation/story_4523216.asp

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“Mr Chairman, Sir, the American government has also been clearly informed that while we respect their sovereign right to grant or refuse visas to any person, we do not believe that it is appropriate to use allegations or anything less than (a) due process to make a subjective judgement to question a constitutional authority in India.” BJP sources feel that this sentence has gifted Modi the “legitimacy” he lacked. “The operative phrases are in the latter half of the sentence. The Prime Minster has made it clear that nothing has been proved against Modi,” one of the sources said. They said this “certificate” was important for two reasons: it came from the Prime Minister of the country in the form of a statement made in the Rajya Sabha and was, therefore, forever “enshrined” in parliamentary records, and second, he happened to be from the Congress, which had used the Gujarat violence and Modi’s alleged complicity as a major election plank in 2004. “With this statement, in a sense, Modi’s so-called sins have been washed away,” claimed a BJP functionary who did not wish to be quoted.
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The sources said the next time Laloo Prasad Yadav or a member of his Rashtriya Janata Dal raises the Godhra issue against Modi, they would “quote back” the Prime Minister.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 21 2005, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (Viren @ Mar 22 2005, 04:03 AM)
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New York, NY; March 21st, 2005: Braving snow and rain, over 300 biggrin.gif activists and representatives of 50 organizations held a press...
"The Wild Bunch -- They’re only a hundred. But they ride -- as if they were a T-H-O-U-S-A-N-D!" laugh.gif Phar your eenajayment onleee k.ram saar ROTFL.gif Gen Ayub (PBUH) math, 1 Paki+FOILer = 10
Thank you! Thank you!! Sight for Sore eyes, innit? Believe it was "Sulekha" that carried these "compromising" pictures? T-H-O-U-S-A-N-D Tangos indeed..... "CHURCHS" - Paki hand? ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 05:44 PM

Hey how about a photo from the event ???? People coming to attend (terrorists per IMC-USA)... user posted image and people seated inside MSG (more terrorists per Kawaja etc).. user posted image

Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 07:47 PM

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He added, "At same time I believe that it's not a right assessment of the State Department. It has been taken under pressure from certain religious organisations." When asked to be specific, Patel said, "The decision is influenced by Christian organisations and I think when they came under pressure, officials took the decision hastily." Patel also said that sooner or later the ban would have to go because "it is very trivial." "But it can do real damage. The US is usually not like this. This is out of its context," he said. When asked about the options before the Indian American community Patel said, "Indian Americans should create a strong lobby. When Christian organisations were lobbying, we were not very much aware of it. We should change the wrong perception. We must highlight that Modi is an elected leader. And until the charge is proven against him one can't formulate a final opinion about it."

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 21 2005, 08:46 PM

Where basic moral and ethical considerations did not move them, the leadership of AAHOA has now withdrawn its invitation to Mr. Modi, frightened by the potential fall-out of the Sangh Parivar's violent display of anti-Americanism, including burning the American flag and burning President Bush in effigy, on their members' businesses, most of whom operate small hotel properties, and on the immigration prospects of their family members in Gujarat. CSFH urges the AAHOA membership to ask its leadership to either publicly renounce their financial and ideological support of the Sangh Parivar, or failing that, to step down and let the organization return to its function of representing the business interests of its membership. CSFH also asks that the AAHOA find a way to apologize for having dishonored the memory of the victims of the 2002 pogroms by inviting one of the chief architects of the massacre to be its guest of honor ----- This is an open threat to AAHOA and AAHOA has basically told them to f**k themselves

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 12:19 AM

http://in.news.yahoo.com/050322/43/2kbnm.html

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However, this does not affect Modi's travel plans to Britain, with spokesman Wilson saying British laws were different from America's. He said: "Our system is different. Modi has a valid UK visa and he is free to use it within the bounds of law. We saw no reason to revoke the visa."

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 12:22 AM

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BJP flays renewed US decision on Modi Tuesday, 22 March , 2005, 12:00 New Delhi: The BJP on Tuesday condemned the renewed US decision to deny visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi and to disassociate the party from the move. A meeting of the BJP Parliamentary Party of BJP, chaired by party President L K Advani, passed a unanimous resolution, which said the US decision was 'without any basis'. It also regretted and termed as 'wrong' US Ambassador to India David C Mulford's statement that the decision applied only to Modi and not to BJP as an institution or the Gujarati community, party spokesman V K Malhotra told reporters in the capital, after the meeting. The Resolution was moved by Rajya Sabha member Pyarelal Khandelwal and unanimously endorsed by the House, he said

Posted by: ashyam Mar 22 2005, 02:08 AM

I respect the courage of these Gujjus. rocker.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 08:21 AM

x-post from BR..

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I think State Department [ Foggy Bottom] has done a major mistake in denying visa to Modi under pressure from left and Islamic groups. I feel it is a major tilting point in the Indo --US relations. [ I am not a fan of Modi] The basic bully/ or thugishness in their actions vis-vis other young democracies [India/Indoneasia/Thailand etc] makes one wonder if dictatorships are " natural" allies for US.They also seem to feel that if some official in India can be put in place to please domestic Islamic etc groups ,so be it. That means, they may buy peace with terrorism / or fight terrorism to the last Indian? I think the phenominal efforts put in by some of the Indians in USA, to enhance relations-- has just become wasted efforts by the mulish attitude of Foggy Bottom. I hope I am wrong, but I think their global strategy would be to sell India at a discount or put down the country to please/ buy peace with terrorism. Atleast the Europens are straight in appeasing terrorism in their respective countries without using external cannon fodders. The critical issue is regarding facts on Gujarath riots-- The leaked report of Robert Young, the High Commissioner of UK to his Government-- is the so called source of the "more than 2000 muslims killed" and hundreds of thousands replaced. Nobody in the erstwhile Central Government has questioned the right of Young to visit Gujarath[ after the riots] and prepare a report to his Government and deliberately leak it to the Indian Express.Are we still ruled by the Queen? I am afraid that the answer is yes. The Government figures given in Parliament is around 850,including more than 300 Hindus killed in Police action etc.But that is not taken as " official". the Young report is again mentioned by Concerned Citizens report [ of marxist sympathisers] and repeated by NHRC.Young himself did not get it from any " official" agency but from Fr.Cedric Prakash [a well known proselytiser] at Ahmedabad. I did some research into this number and found again and again all source leads to the Young report leaked to Express.The same has been used ad nauseam by all " experts". I would like to be corrected by any expert on this matter by giving me an independant [ non-Young] source for the number killed--to justify that " more than 2000" were "butchered"--Hence the US government using NHRC report is essentially using Fr. Cedric Prakash's unsubstantiated allegation to Young leaked to Sekhar Gupta-- and used by NHRC. I have a theory --the Young report and the deliberate leaking of it is a diabolical plot by some to permenantly shame Hindus/Indians in general but Gujarathis in particular since Gujarath represent the vibrant and industrious aspect of Hindus not only in India but globally.What better method than to create a sense of ' revulsion" among global citizens against the most industrious and entreprenureal group in India. Express played into this game may be wittingly. What a way to treat India! I think one need to confront the US Congressmen and ask them to "prove" their numbers/assertions. But unfortunately all "lazy" experts and journos in India depend on Young and Fr.Prakash! rvaidya

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 08:40 AM

One more post from rvaidya @ BR.. I completely agree with this..

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I think this Modi-visa is only a teaser. Out there many big Powers[US/UK/China] and pauper powers[ Pakistan/B Desh] would like India to be a door mat and definetly not in the UNSC --with or without that veto power. Let us be clear other than Butan / Maurice --no power has unambigously and unequivocally come out for us. There will be soon a Chrous about 200 million strong Dalit groups in India [ to be championed by the same Pitts -Congress man] and how they are slaves etc.It will start from Atlanta--the bible belt . Again Indian News papers/NHRC/SC/ST commission will be quoted to exclude India in the UNSC . There are plenty of left/Islamic groupings to shout much louder. It is interesting -- Communist card carrying members are lecture- touring US from India and no Indian group seems to have alerted Inland security about it. I think Indians are the single biggest morons or fools in this world to think that they will become world power by chanting " all are same" " Sarve Jana sukhino --" Vasudeva Kutumbhakam" etc. They are all good to chant during morning ablutions but not for becoming any recognised power. Build large temples in every state of USA and chant million mantras --it won't make anyone sit up and think about you--other than as some voodo cult. [On an average with 800 odd temples at a million a piece the Indians have spent a billion in USA with no great return [ may be spiritual solace!] and issues of taking care of these assets by the Gen next.]. Do the State Department worry about Power of US Indians--The Economic muscle? Do the NYT/WSJ think twice before asking " liberals" to spew venom on India? Unfortunately no. Because Indians have their curd rice on Sunday noon in the temples and go home peacefully.they have never exibited unity and more important power--raw power. They will pay 1000 USD a plate Dinner and meekly request that Diwali be celebrated in white House--even if Bush's cat only attend it --it is fine. In the known history of human kind the Indians in the USA is the only group which is like Hanuman [ prior to his jump] not knowing its power and ability to arm twist all organs of state. How many Indian surgeons would have sewed up various parts of bodies of eminent US policy makers and opinion builders.Have they ever thought of influencing the "organs'[ pun intended] of decision making. Many hoteliers would have dined and wined many a policy makers. Have they ever networked and try to squeeze them /influence them [other than asking for small favours]The only language US policy makers understand is " power" and its unabashed 'show". What matters is power and raw power and exercise of that brutal power in this part of 21st century. When a plane is driven in to the tallest building in NY by group of thugs and Pindaris the US intelligentia talks of Islamic virtues--My left foot . Boy --they are scared. They will fight the fundamental islamic Terrorists to the last Indian--use Indians as Cannon fodders or just hit them to please the " Islamic" world --not that Arab street cares about India either way. Hence it is a Loli pop given to Mush the poodle. When the dog wag the tail then give him a bone even if it is the bone from the "largest" democracy in the world. The Modi episode is just a teaser. If you want to be a big power then the first priniciple is to behave like one. If any third level official from China has been denied a visa China would have raised hell called back its Ambassoder and thretened to severe diplomatic ties. But we are sooooo happy that MS felt hurt and wanted US to reconsider. That is called in simple English the " lament of an impotent" country crying " I am Majboorie" If ever India has dream of becoming world power ir should know how to hit and hit hard. Some aim well but cannot shoot .Some shoot well but cannot aim. Alas-- we can neither Aim nor Shoot. One Fr. Cedric Prakash complains to Mr Young --Highcommisioner of UK --that more than 2000 have been butchered-who prepares a report to his Government deliberately leaks it to Indian Express stating the same and that becomes " truth" quoted ad nausem by NHRC/BBC/NYT and assorted NGO's. The Home Ministerof India categorically mentions in Parliament a number of around 900 killed in the riots including more than 400 Hindus in Police firing. But no body cares to take this seriuosly--our Press/our NHRC/Our NGOs/Our TVs. Actually some MP in Parliament should have moved a privelege nmotion against NHRC and Press for Contempt of Parliament when the number officially quoted in Parliament is that.But who cares--for facts. Obviously we are treated as a Banana Republic by every other country. So, wait to see more fun where denial of visas will take place for assorted type of persons-- Communalist/Manuwadi/Anti christ /Anti Islam/etc. UNSC seat for India --you are dreaming my boy-- Banana republics never become UNSC members. rvaidya

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 08:42 AM

Rajesh: http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/jun/09arvind.htm

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Failure to correct the repeatedly distorted lies on Gujarat in the Indian and the world press, which, one knows, relies on the version of India's 'secular' press. Take the total number of those killed in the riots following the horrifying Godhra incident. Our English press and our Muslim press and 'secularists' and human rights missionaries mentioned the numbers killed as 2,000 or 3,000 or simply 'thousands' -- figures that were echoed by the foreign press. The truth is different even by the very very 'secular' standards of The Times of India. Thus, one week after the most bloody riots broke out, that newspaper's Bharat Desai reported on March 7, 2002, that the toll stood at 677. The report stated that nearly 100 people, most of them Hindus, were killed in police firing. On April 28, 2002, when the frenzy was almost doused, Sanjay Pandey of that same newspaper reported that 726 people in all were killed; of this number, we were told, 552 were Muslims and 168 were Hindus including, never forget, the 58 kar sevaks charred in a railway bogey. Reporter Pandey reiterated that in the first month of police firing the Muslims killed were 40 while Hindus so killed were 60. So much then for the 'Hitleresque pogrom' of Narendra Modi.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 08:54 AM

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Arvind Lavakare's article on Rediff: BJP needs killer instinct
What anyone can do when India's judge BANEERJI came out with new Godhra report stating it was an accident? I won't be surprised when they will say it was mass Sati. Media not even tried to contradict; no reaction from so called NHRC, all Muslim and Christian sites are showing this new report now. After thousand times repeating same lie this will become truth. Credibility of these fascist leaning commie ideologist can go any extent to please there international master, patriotism will never be a factor for them.

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 09:12 AM

This article on SAAG titled: http://www.saag.org/papers9/paper891.html is a must read. Was initially posted by GS in Gujarat riots thread now on http://indiaforumarchives.blogspot.com/2005/03/gujarat-riots.html

Posted by: k.ram Mar 22 2005, 09:37 AM

Well, this jives with the Alleged Hindu Reformers' vision of "Invasion of India" very well and it should make them very happy..

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There will be soon a Chrous about 200 million strong Dalit groups in India [ to be championed by the same Pitts -Congress man] and how they are slaves etc.It will start from Atlanta--the bible belt . Again Indian News papers/NHRC/SC/ST commission will be quoted to exclude India in the UNSC .

Posted by: acharya Mar 22 2005, 10:13 AM

Thank Congressman Pallone for his support for India last night at Madison Square Garden Call his DC and local office and mention your organizational affiliation and that you will be sending a contribution to him. It took courage for him to come when others backed out! http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/?id=387&lvl=C&chamber=H Washington Office: Phone: (202) 225-4671 Fax: (202) 225-9665 Main District Office in NJ: Phone: (732) 571-1140 Fax: (732) 870-3890

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 11:09 AM

I think the SD has backed down. A rather stupid way of doing it but the fact remains that SD has backed down. What can be done as a retaliation to this is -> deny a diplomatic visa of any random official and say that the "purpose of his visit did not coincide with the type of visa requested". http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/22modi.htm

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Speaking at the regular noon briefing on Monday, State Department Deputy Spokesman Adam Ereli said it was important to separate the visa denial to Modi 'entirely from the broader issue of US-India relations. "Why? Because it's a specific case dealing with a specific visit. It has nothing to do with bilateral relationships. It has nothing to do with our close partnership and good friendship with India. It is a technical matter related to a visa application." Ereli noted that 'for reasons I outlined last week, the visa that the chief minister applied for was not given because the purposes of his visit did not coincide with the type of visa that he was requesting. Also, an existing visa was revoked because under the terms of our law the person in question did not qualify for a visa, given the findings of Indian commissions in investigating actions or lack of actions by state institutions and religious conflict in Gujarat state.' The spokesman implored not to 'make more of this decision than it is. It is not a reflection of our views of the government of Gujarat or the people of Gujarat or a reflection of our bilateral relations.' Ereli argued, "On the contrary, what I will tell you is that we are deeply appreciative of the role that both the Bharatiya Janata Party and the (former) Vajpayee government have played in opening the way for positive transformation of US-Indian relations. And I would also convey the great respect the United States has for the many successful Gujaratis who live and work in the United States and the thousands who are issued visas to the United States each month.'

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 11:54 AM

US SD has sent Sri Blackwill to do some firefighting and soothe Indians by throwing some bones. GOI should ignore this nonsense and retaliate with something more concrete like a tit-for-tat denial of a diplomatic visa and convey through backchannels -> hey we have our fundoos too and we are just under pressure from that constituency. No sweat. America is land of free and home of brave etc. I am sure they will understand given their track record of being really understanding of the need to pacify fundoos. http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/001200503221717.htm

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Blackwill 'struck' by 'negative outpouring of feeling' Bangalore, March. 22 (PTI): Former US Ambassador to India, Robert D Blackwill, today said he was "quite struck" by the extent of "negative" outpouring of feeling in India against denial of visa by US to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. Blackwill said he would not comment on the issue as it was being dealt with by the Governments of the two countries. "It would not be appropriate to comment," he said answering a question after his speech on "The Future of US-India Relations" organised by the CII here. But, he hastened to add, "I am quite struck by the extent of negative outpouring of feelings by many Indian friends. I understand the strong feeling of Indians. (But) I am not going to comment on the content of that (the US action)".

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 12:32 PM

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"I am quite struck by the extent of negative outpouring of feelings by many Indian friends. I understand the strong feeling of Indians.
Man! you will never understand Indians. biggrin.gif

Posted by: acharya Mar 22 2005, 12:40 PM

Mr. Madhav spent his time in the U.S. trying to paint a rosy picture of the Sangh and touting its strong connections on Capitol Hill, but in the wake of the revocation of Mr. Modi's visa, both he and Mr. Modi seem to have forgotten all their professions of friendship towards the U.S. Reacting to the revocation of Mr. Modi's visa, Mr. Madhav questioned the right of the United States to talk about human rights violations: "Who is the US to talk about human rights violations? What is happening in Iraq? What is happening in Afghanistan?" Mr. Modi and Mr. Madhav have spent the last two days giving incendiary anti-American speeches, resulting in Sangh Parivar mobs attacking American businesses and consular offices in Gujarat.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 12:45 PM

Invitation is still on - Who is spreading rumors? http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/22modi.htm

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The AAHOA is obviously buoyed by the success of the live satellite link-up on Sunday that enabled Modi to address nearly 5,000 people in Madison Square Garden in New York. The AAHOA hierarchy has been working overtime with the Fort Lauderdale/Broward County Convention Center authorities to have a similar hook-up so that Modi can deliver the same speech he was scheduled to do on March 24 after inaugurating the convention with a ribbon-cutting ceremony. Chairman Naresh 'Nash' Patel, told rediff.com that AAHOA had a tape with Modi's speech, but were hoping to have a live hook-up similar to the one in Madison Square Garden. "We are in the process of setting it up," he said.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 12:47 PM

Less than 20 people attacked front boards. No loss of property. It is less than any anti US demonstration in France, Pakistan, US or UK or even San Francisco anti-war protest. US is surprised by Indian Nationalism. Fact is Indians know very well about Hindu Muslim riots, it’s not new and Gujarat was not even last. Even Congress can't come against Modi now. They have seen what happened in Bihar. Secular bogey went bust.

Posted by: AJay Mar 22 2005, 12:52 PM

QUOTE (agnivayu @ Mar 21 2005, 05:06 AM)
Denying him a visa has stirred the pot and brought out lot's of things into the open.
Exactly. Now we know where Preeta Bansal stands, the various anti-India Indian and Indiam-American organizations etc. A compilation of the list would be very useful which can be used in future.

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 12:53 PM

QUOTE (acharya @ Mar 22 2005, 03:40 PM)
Mr. Madhav spent his time in the U.S. trying to paint a rosy ...
The people who are protesting Modi's visit now are the ones who protested Mr. Madhav's visit couple months back and they are the exact same people who have been slandering IDRF. Mudy, looks like someone's making a case to get Madhav's visa revoked. Lie should be big and repeated often - believe it was Gobbels mantra. Or was it "Bhagdad Bob"?

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 12:54 PM

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"Who is the US to talk about human rights violations? What is happening in Iraq? What is happening in Afghanistan?" Mr. Modi and Mr. Madhav have spent the last two days giving incendiary anti-American speeches, resulting in Sangh Parivar mobs attacking American businesses and consular offices in Gujarat.
This will make them rebuild their relationship with Hindutava forces (Nationalist). They can’t achieve nuclear rollback by showing finger to Hinduatva forces which is ultimate US objective. Wrong step will cost long term interest of US.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 12:56 PM

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A compilation of the list would be very useful which can be used in future.
http://caaig.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 01:08 PM

QUOTE (Mudy @ Mar 22 2005, 03:56 PM)
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A compilation of the list would be very useful which can be used in future.
http://caaig.blogspot.com/
The blog should have a list of resources or links as to why or how a particular organization or individual made it to the hall of shame. IF nembers should pitch in too - another thread for this specific purpose might help.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 01:15 PM

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The blog should have a list of resources or links as to why or how a particular organization or individual made it to the hall of shame. IF nembers should pitch in too - another thread for this specific purpose might help.
Yes, I need help on this. I am stealing info from IF anti-india charity and IDRF thread biggrin.gif

Posted by: shyam Mar 22 2005, 01:18 PM

QUOTE (Mudy @ Mar 22 2005, 11:56 AM)
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A compilation of the list would be very useful which can be used in future.
http://caaig.blogspot.com/
Mudy, Thanks for the compilation. This allows other members to search these names in anti-India articles and save those articles. I'll make a habit of doing this and over time that can help in putting all these anti-India dots together and distributing info about them whenever these people and groups engage in rouge activities. We ought to catalog these people, groups, and their activities. Just a nitpick on the format of the weblog. Putting these in HTML Table format makes the page much readable.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 01:23 PM

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Just a nitpick on the format of the weblog. Putting these in HTML Table format makes the page much readable.
Weekend I will fix this, just started yesterday. biggrin.gif

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 22 2005, 01:53 PM

I've started a spreadsheet a) for the organizations and cited contact . it is different at points in time and also the website you go to b) for the individuals My compilation needs a bit more work. I'll share it here probably after coming weekend

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 02:02 PM

We should collect all info in anti-India charity and IDRF thread. Those who are interested in CAAIG (Coalition against Anti India Groups) email at caaig@yahoo.com

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 02:17 PM

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Look again, Mr Bush, at your law... Kanchan Gupta The response to the US State Department's decision to rescind Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's tourist/business visa and deny him a diplomatic visa, thus effectively debarring him from entering America whose doors were flung open to Sinn Fein's leader Gerry Adams the previous week, is enlightening. Christian and Muslim organisations based in America and comprising Americans of Indian origin, one of whose leading lights is an ardent admirer of Mullah Omar's Taliban, have been effusive in welcoming the US State Department's patent discourtesy and callous disregard towards India's sensitivities as a sovereign nation. The Congress-led United Progressive Alliance Government has set aside its political differences with the Bharatiya Janata Party. Apart from instructing the Ministry of External Affairs to summon the American Ambassador to convey India's displeasure, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has made a full statement in Parliament, unambiguously expressing the Government's "very deep concern and regret over the US decision to deny a visa to a constitutionally elected Chief Minister of a State of our Union." He has also put the issue in its proper perspective by stressing two facts: "While we respect their (the USA's) sovereign right to grant or refuse visas to any person, we do not believe that it is appropriate to use allegations or anything less than due legal process to make a subjective judgement to question a constitutional authority in India." "Coalition Against Genocide", floated by a bunch of sanctimonious Indian Americans to block Mr Modi from entering the US, can eat crow. So can Congressman Joe Pitts who has been going around bandying astonishing lies to defame Mr Modi with the explicit purpose of playing to a gallery full of Christian evangelists and their cohorts. It merits reiteration that the USA is entirely within its rights not to grant a visa to any person any where in the world. It would be absurd to argue against this fundamental sovereign right of a nation. At the same time, it needs to be pointed out that by exercising this right while denying a visa to Mr Modi, the US Administration has done precisely what it accuses its foes of: Maligning America's democratically elected leaders by taking recourse to spit-and-run campaigns of calumny. We have heard American Presidents and their officials rudely rubbish citizens' reports and media exposes as unfair indictment of those who rule the USA. Just because American soldiers have murdered, raped and pillaged in My Lai, scorched people and their land in Vietnam with Napalm, indulged in ghastly torture and denial of human dignity in Sierra Leone, Iraq and Afghanistan; simply because CIA operatives have subverted democracy in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala; merely because the US State Department has propped up Augusto Pinochet in Chile, Fulgencio Batists in Cuba, Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines and a succession of killer Generals in Pakistan; and, only because US foreign policy has fathered monsters like Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, the commander-in-chief of the US Army, the President of the USA, cannot be held responsible. If you don't agree, do not apply for an American visa. Perhaps the US State Department had not anticipated that political parties in India would close ranks and that the UPA Government would take a firm stand against Washington's chicanery. It is entirely possible that analysts based at the American Embassy in New Delhi were convinced that the Congress would cheer the decision to black ball Mr Modi and saw in their denial an excellent opportunity to score brownie points with the UPA regime. If so, then they got it horribly wrong. In any event, the US Administration's supercilious attitude has been exposed by its casual application of a dubious American law to justify its shockingly contemptuous action. It is not often that a Note Verbale from the Ministry of External Affairs of any country requesting a diplomatic visa, that too for an elected constitutional authority, is ignored. The US has done so with impunity. There is more. The State Department's claim that its decision to deny Mr Modi entry into America because he does "not qualify for a visa under Section 212(a)(2)(G) of the US Immigration and Nationality Act which prohibits the admission to the United States of any foreign government official responsible for serious violations of religion freedom" is, to put it mildly, pretentious hogwash. Not least because Mr Modi, a citizen of the sovereign Republic of India, has neither been charged with nor found guilty of the charges listed by the US Administration in an Indian court of law. The Justices Nanavati-Shah Commission of Inquiry, an entity empowered by the Constitution of India, is yet to submit its report. Confronted with a whiplash reaction from across the political spectrum in India, the US State Department has been left fumbling in its search for an articulate reason to justify its decision. Since Friday, it has been spitting and running for cover, rather than substantiating its allegations. That these allegations are wholly fabricated is exemplified by the charge that Mr Modi has circumvented religious freedom by introducing an anti-conversion law in Gujarat. The fact is that legal checks on conversion through force or deceit are the gift of neither Mr Modi nor the BJP. Anti-conversion laws were adopted by Madhya Pradesh, followed by Orissa and Arunachal Pradesh, during the late 1960s and early 1970s after the Justice Neogi Commission found widespread rice bowl conversion by Christian evangelists luring poor people with promises of material benefit. The initiator of that move was the Congress; Mrs Indira Gandhi, and rightly so, was of the firm view that stringent anti-conversion laws should be adopted by every State Government to prevent forcible conversions or conversions by inducement. Gujarat's law merely replicates what has existed in other parts of India for more than three decades. Whether or not Mr Modi was responsible for the horrific communal violence in Gujarat is yet to be determined by due legal process. (Congressman Pitts letter makes no mention of the roasting alive of Hindus at Godhra, but that is only to be expected.) If mere allegations by "citizens groups", Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch were sufficient grounds to bar people from entering America, the "Presidents", "Kings", "Princes" and "Emirs" who preside over West Asia's criminal regimes would by now have been deprived of the pleasures of Las Vegas. Nor would Gen Pervez Musharraf have been a welcome guest in Washington if the US Administration had taken its freedom of religion report on Pakistan as seriously as it has taken the bunkum about religious freedom in India. Gen Musharraf is responsible for the ethnic cleansing in Kashmir Valley that has led to the destruction of the Kashmiri Pandit community. The fact that President Bush is in the process of writing Pakistan's military ruler, whose khaki is stained with the blood of thousands of Hindus, including at Akshardham Temple, killed by Islamic terrorists sponsored by him, a cheque for $630 million, is comment enough on US duplicity. Meanwhile, it would be useful for President George Bush to have a look, with the assistance of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, at Section 3 of his country's International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 which defines "particularly severe violations of religious freedom" as systematic, ongoing, egregious violations of religious freedom, including violations such as: Torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment; prolonged detention without charges; causing the disappearance of persons by the abduction or clandestine detention of those persons; or other flagrant denial of the right to life, liberty, or the security of persons. The names of two places made infamous by American soldiers who salute him as their Commander-in-Chief should immediately leap to his mind - Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. And it should strike President Bush, possibly after due prompting by Dr Rice, that he stands proven guilty on all the counts enumerated by Section 3 of the IRFA. We are well past the stage of accusations and charges.

Posted by: AJay Mar 22 2005, 02:20 PM

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A compilation of the list would be very useful which can be used in future.
http://caaig.blogspot.com/
Mudy Smita Narula's name is missing. We also need to cull names from RISA. Arjun Appadurai, Vinay Lal, Ashwini Rao, Biju Mathews..

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 02:28 PM

A page each can be allocated to each of these charities. It would be a collection of their anti-india deeds, location along with a list of its members. The members themselves can have a page each where we list their anti-india activities and the organisations they belong to.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 02:57 PM

In a gujju newspaper there is talk of having Modi resign as CM and having an India wide swabhiman march just like Uma Bharti did. They are going to call it Bharat Gaurav Rally. They are still trying to plan this out. PS : Shiv Sena might also join

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 22 2005, 03:09 PM

That newspaper must be from Keshav bhai patel group! who else is interested in unseating Modi?

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 03:11 PM

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That newspaper must be from Keshav bhai patel group! who else is interested in unseating Modi?
No its in divyabhaskar. The movement against Modi in Guj is strong and has gained lots of momentum. This visa denial has strengthened Modi hand. LKA is going to be in Guj on 27th. Lets see what happens.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 04:23 PM

Removing him from Gujarat at this stage is not a good idea. This will encourage US to poke its nose in India's internal affair and will boost ego of anti-Indian in US.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 04:34 PM

I know and knowing Modi its not likely to happen. But if BJP high command thinks Modi can be moved to Dilli then it could. After all, BJP needs good people at centre. Lets see what happens.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 04:45 PM

But not at this stage, I think he will be asked to expand cabinet and Advani will attend oath ceremony. At this moment they should not move him to center. Whole nutcase anti-Indians will start targeting BJP/NDA. They should move him after mid-term poll.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 06:34 PM

x-post Gujarat textbooks exhorting Nazism (sic) in pdf format. http://www.indcast.com/gujtexts/

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 07:49 PM

Okay Rajesh, here's the scoop on 21 - know you've been searching for it. You ready... take a deep breathe and give up the search. Well the list of 21 is confidential and you ain't getting it. No not kidding.. Sorry fonts can't be any bigger. From latest India Abroad, page A4, typing it out..

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Derek Karchener, Pitts' Communication director refused to disclose the names of the other lawmakers who had co-signed Pitts' letter to Rice, saying they had done so on the condition of strict confidentiality. He also refused to confirm or deny if ther were a fair number of members who belong to the congressional caucus on India and Indian Americans among the signatories.
Why the confidentiality? Who's to say that there were 2 (Coyners and Pitts) or 21 or 210. They afraid of irate constituents? Methinks it's only one word (rather two) - "Marion Berry" laugh.gif hope you know who he was and the deal with 'motel'

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 08:18 PM

Thanks Viren. Actually I dont know who Berry was.. sad.gif xposting Rye's post on BR..

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Hi, I searched around and found a couple, but they are sparse on details. Will check lexis later to see if there are any hits. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/003/18.26.html came across this one: http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.1533/pub_detail.asp Look at the participant list!!
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Jonah Blank, U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee; Kamal Chenoy, Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi; Sumit Ganguly, University of Texas, Austin; Sunil Khilnani, Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS); Cedric Prakash, Jesuit priest, Ahmedebad; Teesta Setalvad, Communalism Combat, Mumbai (Bombay); Timothy Samuel Shah, Ethics and Public Policy Center; David Abramson, Office of International Religious Freedom, U. S. State Department; Gautam Adhikari, National Endowment for Democracy; Zahid Bukhari, Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, Georgetown University; Stephen Cohen, Brookings Institution; Charles Fairbanks, Johns Hopkins SAIS; Khalid Hassan, Daily Times of Lahore, Pakistan; P. D. John, Federation of Indian-American Christian Organizations of North America; Paul Marshall, Freedom House; Lynn Robinson, Pew Charitable Trusts; and John Wilson, Books and Culture.
Official Paki link: http://www.embassyofpakistan.org/news76.php Here is a list of all of Joe Pitts' trips in the past couple of years: http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/member_report.php?member=359 And here is one from Angana Chaterji on how she pulled this Modi hullaballoo...seems to want to take all the credit for it. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Chatterji0321.htm
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CAG is comprised of Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and those who profess other faiths or none. CAG challenges Modi supporters, primarily upper-caste Hindus, in the US who claim to represent Hindus and India, and others guided into buttressing Hindutva, “Hindu Tatva” -- “Hindu principles,” Nazi inspired, advocated by Hindu extremist groups dedicated to promoting a Hindu rashtra (theocracy) in India.

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 08:25 PM

Now, think about it, if you are Congressmen who's known for "renting room by the hour" would you piss off the motel owner? biggrin.gif Well, Marion Berry was a Mayor of Washington DC and was caught with his pants down in a DC motel. Nah, he wasn't on a tour to see the capital, remember he's was the then mayor of DC smile.gif

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 08:35 PM

Hey Rajesh, From link provided by Rye,

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Sponsor - Inayat Begum Foundation Dates - February 20, 2001 - February 22, 2001 (3 days) Location - Pakistan Purpose - People to people diplomacy, humanitarian aid Notes - Travel Cost - $400.00 Lodging Cost - $100.00 Meal Cost - $50.00 Other Cost - Total Cost - $550.00 Additional family members - No
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/member_report.php? It's costs a person about $400 to travel from DC to Pakistan while it costs Sandeep Pandey over $2000 to drive from Delhi to Pakistan blink.gif I'm lost. ASHA donors, please note smile.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 08:49 PM

ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 22 2005, 09:01 PM

EPPC The Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC) was established in 1976 to clarify and reinforce the bond between the Judeo-Christian moral tradition and the public debate over domestic and foreign policy issues . Its program includes research, writing, publication, and conferences.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 09:04 PM

BTW I was in two minds about posting this story but what the heck.. This Inayat Begum Foundation is a non-profit organisation out of Pitts' area (?) helping out migrants running from Indian 'oppression'.. So much for India caucus.. Flush.gif From google cache..

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US team calls for settlement of Kashmir issue MUZAFFARABAD, Jan 7: A delegation of the US Congress visited a refugee camp near here on Wednesday and called for the resolution of the longstanding Kashmir dispute for lasting peace in the South Asia. The tour of the delegation, comprising congressmen Joseph Pitts, William Todd and Steven Chabot, was reportedly organized by the Inayat Begum Foundation - a non-governmental organization of some US based Pakistanis. Mr Omar Ghumman, the member the National Assembly of Pakistan who also holds United States citizenship accompanied the delegation to the AJK capital in their high security visit. At the Ambore refugee camp, where the delegation was taken after its arrival, AJK rehabilitation department commissioner Khwaja Sadiq Dar briefed them on the number of the refugees as well as the facilities being provided to them by the AJK government. He said around 22,000 Kashmiri refugees who fled occupied Kashmir due to Indian brutalities had been rehabilitated in 15 different camps in different parts of Azad Kashmir. The visiting delegation was also shown pictorial record of Indian atrocities in the held territory. Speaking to the gathering of the refugees on the occasion, delegation leader Mr Pitts said that settlement of Kashmir issue was essential for durable peace, stability and prosperity of the South Asian region. He appreciated the efforts by India and Pakistan for normalization of relations and settlement of their long running dispute over Kashmir. He said: "We pay tributes to Indian and Pakistani leaders for their desire to resolve the issue in consultation with each other." However, he stressed that the choice of the Kashmiris should rein supreme in the likely solution of the issue. He said: "You people should have right to decide about yourself and no decision should be imposed on you." Mr Pitts who had earlier visited Azad Kashmir thrice told refugees that he would apprise the American people and the Congress of their plight. "We will also look into (launching) some projects to create employment opportunities for you," he said, announcing that they would send a container of wheelchairs for those migrants who had been rendered handicapped in Indian repression. Later delegation members went round the shabby camp and inspected its school where they also distributed sweets among students. Officials said the delegation was also scheduled to be flown to Chakothi sector near the Line of Control, but the programme was cancelled due to bad weather. Earlier, the AJK chief secretary Shahid Rafi hosted a reception in the honour of the delegation at his office in new civil secretariat.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 22 2005, 09:34 PM

Dont get mad Get even Fund hindu charities to defeat the missionaries

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 22 2005, 09:46 PM

BTW there is another organisation involved in sponsoring Pitts' trip to India. Its called the Jubilee Campaign USA. http://www.jubileecampaign.org/home/index.php

Posted by: Viren Mar 22 2005, 09:59 PM

Ahem, taxpayers sponsored the Pitts trip. You ask why? Inayat Begum Foundation is a non-profit org sad.gif Owned and operated by one Nisar Ghuman who's ex-Paki Major, reportedly very close to 'top man' in Pakistan. Use google.. can see why the 21 need strict confidentiality now.

Posted by: Kaushal Mar 22 2005, 11:15 PM

Good work guys, for keeping the flame alive. I am back in the states and will have a chance to participate more frequently

Posted by: Mudy Mar 22 2005, 11:18 PM

Welcome back.!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: ashyam Mar 23 2005, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (G.Subramaniam @ Mar 23 2005, 10:04 AM)
Dont get mad Get even Fund hindu charities to defeat the missionaries
And patiently convince friends to do so.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 23 2005, 07:18 AM

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Hindu forum deplores US resolution as 'Hinduphobic' Silicon Valley (US), March. 23 (PTI): A US-based Hindu organisation has flayed as "Hinduphobic" a resolution sponsored by two Congressmen in which they condemned "religious persecution" in South Asia while focusing on India. The Hindu American Foundation (HAF) expressed concern over the "Hinduphobic" resolution sponsored by Congressmen Joseph Pitts and John Conyers, last week. In letters written to both the Congressmen, HAF expressed frustration that they made India a focus of a resolution condemning "religious persecution" in South Asia, while completely ignoring the "persecution of minorities" in Pakistan and Bangladesh. As the world's largest democracy with a constitution influenced by the Hindu ethos of tolerance and pluralism, combined with a mature judiciary and human rights monitoring mechanisms, India hardly deserved to be a target of such a resolution, the HAF felt. According to HAF, the resolution "represented a political agenda" as it was submitted ahead of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's proposed visit to the US, which was cancelled after the State Department revoked his tourist/business visa and declined granting him a diplomatic visa.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 23 2005, 08:08 AM

Is Sri Blackwill throwing bones at stupid Indians ? Or is he marketing his lobbying firm ? http://www.sulekha.com/news/ThreadComment.aspx?cid=559308

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A New Deal for New Delhi -Robert Blackwill [ Posted by Deaf Leopard ] Wall Street Journal Monday, March 21, 2005 A New Deal for New Delhi By ROBERT D. BLACKWILL Condoleezza Rice's visit to New Delhi last week boosted the U.S.-India relationship and demonstrated that she and her new colleagues at the top of the State Department view India as a rising great power. John Kenneth Galbraith once said, "There are few ironclad rules of diplomacy but to one there is no exception. When an official reports that talks were useful, it can be safely concluded that nothing was accomplished." Ms. Rice's talks in India were more than useful. Gone are the days when the State Department viewed India myopically through the lens of India's long troubled relationship with Pakistan. Washington has also stopped playing nagging nanny regarding India's nuclear weapons program. No bilateral relationship in George W. Bush's first term changed as positively as that between India and the U.S. This is important because of congruent vital national interests of the two countries. Each is an enduring target of jihadi terrorism. Other nations will weaken and fade in the global war on terror. The U.S. and India will not. Each is at immense risk if weapons of mass destruction become instruments of terror. New Delhi and Washington, New York and Mumbai would be prime targets. Each economy needs the continued reliable flow of energy from the Persian Gulf, including through protection of Indian Ocean sea lanes. Each has a huge stake in the peaceful and responsible emergence of China as a great power. Each would be in serious danger if Pakistan with its nuclear weapons and infrastructure of terrorism were to shake apart, succumb to Islamic extremism or again begin to export its nuclear weapons technology. And each shares the democratic values that are so much on the march these days. When I asked then-Governor Bush in early 1999 about the reasons for his obvious and special interest in India, he immediately responded, "a billion people in a functioning democracy. Isn't that something? Isn't that something?" The concept of democratic India, a heterogeneous, multilingual, secular society with its vibrant press and respect for the rule of law, has a particular appeal for this president. Moreover, never in the history of the U.S.-India relationship has the State Department's seventh floor had three policy makers with a global orientation toward India. (Usually it has had none.) State today has the secretary herself, Deputy Secretary Robert Zoellick, who was the first Bush cabinet member to visit India in 2001, and Counselor Philip Zelikow, who directed for several years the most prestigious nongovernmental dialogue between the U.S. and Indian strategic elites. And note what these folks have done after only weeks in office, under the president's guidance and with the strong support of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. In India, Ms. Rice opened up wide the possibility of U.S.-India cooperation on nuclear power generation; co-production with India of multi-role combat aircraft; intensified collaboration on missile defense and expanded defense trade and cooperation; and a larger role for India in international organizations. These issues had been the stuff of Washington interagency struggle and stalemate for years. Ms. Rice in New Delhi began to grind down the bureaucratic Etruscan shards. * * * So what next for the U.S.-India relationship? What more can be accomplished in the context of Foreign Minister Natwar Singh's talks in Washington next month, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's call at the White House in July, and President Bush's visit to India at the end of this year or early 2006? The U.S. should integrate India into the evolving global nonproliferation regime as a friendly nuclear weapons state. We should end constraints on assistance to and cooperation with India's civil nuclear industry and high-tech trade, changing laws and policy when necessary. We should sell India civil nuclear reactors, both to reduce its demand for Persian Gulf energy and to ease the environmental impact of India's vibrant economic growth. We should enter into a vigorous long-term program of space cooperation with India. Such a joint effort would capture the imagination of ordinary citizens in both countries. It is now anachronistic or worse for Washington to limit its interaction with India's civil space efforts because of concern that U.S. technology and know-how will seep into India's military missile program. Why should the U.S. want to check India's missile capability in ways that could lead to China's permanent nuclear dominance over democratic India? We should sell advanced weaponry to India. The million-man Indian army actually fights, unlike the postmodern militaries of many of our European allies. Given the strategic challenges ahead, the U.S. should want the Indian armed forces to be equipped with the best weapons systems and that often means American. To make this happen, the U.S. has to become a reliable long-term supplier, including through co-production and licensed manufacture arrangements, and to end its previous inclination to interrupt defense supplies to India in a crisis. We should announce that in the context of the basic reform of the U.N., the U.S. will support India as a permanent member of the Security Council. Although this would not happen for many years, nothing else would so convince the people of India that the U.S. had truly transformed its approach to their country. At the same time, we should promote the early entry of India (and China) into the G-8. Their economic punch and increasing geopolitical reach demands that they be at the head table. Finally, we should initiate an intense and secret discussion with India regarding the future of Pakistan, including contingency planning. * * * India, too, has its share of antique governmental reflexes that need to be overcome. It should now engage in a major way to help build a civil society in Iraq. It should join the U.S. much more actively, if quietly, in trying to persuade Iran to give up its insistence on a full fuel cycle and Tehran's pursuit of nuclear weapons. (This is more important than current U.S.-India differences over a gas pipeline to India from Iran which may well never be built). It should generously fund Palestinian reform. It should become a member of the Proliferation Security Initiative which calls for interdiction of suspicious ships on the high seas. It should multiply its military exercises with American counterparts, including on counter-insurgency. It should continue its efforts to normalize relations with Pakistan. It should work ever more closely with the U.S. to deal with regional instability emanating from Afghanistan, Nepal and Bangladesh, the latter a growing center of international terrorism. It should substantially reduce barriers to encourage the export of U.S. goods, services and investment to India, in part to deal with the outsourcing problem. It should be a much more cooperative partner with Washington in the Doha trade round. This is an exceedingly ambitious bilateral agenda. Old bureaucrats don't fade away; they just dig in. So the Bush administration and the Congress government in Delhi must push through these fundamental changes in policy from the top down. It can be done. Mr. Blackwill is president of Barbour Griffith & Rogers International, a Republican lobbying firm. He was U.S. ambassador to India from 2001-2003, and deputy national security adviser for strategic planning in 2003-2004.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 23 2005, 08:26 AM

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Is Sri Blackwill throwing bones at stupid Indians ? Or is he marketing his lobbying firm ?
Both. Fooling Indians. On every platform Unkil scream "We have resolved Pakistan and India issue" "Indian and Pakistan were on brink of Nuclear War". Unkil is ignoring freedom movement of Balochistan but never mind poking its nose in every business of India. Butcher of Kargil was invited in Camp David and given special status MNATO. Whom they are fooling? Gullible Indians.

Posted by: Viren Mar 23 2005, 08:40 AM

Maybe Mudy Indians are gullible onlee sad.gif Why blame US for inviting Mushy at Camp David, he's to visit India in next couple days and I'm sure he'll be put up in the same hotel overlooking Taj for Rs 60,000 a night. Back to this Pitts thingy..... how come he landed in India and there was no desi neta babu with him? All we hear about is that John Charlatan Dayal giving him a guided tour of riot infected places of Gujarat and brothels of Mumbai. Four US congressmen arrive in India and our babus sleeping at wheel? I shudder to think of the thousands of Pakis coming to India for cricket matches sad.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 23 2005, 08:45 AM

Viren, The trip was NOT announced in advance. His departure from TSP to India IIRC, was announced the day he was leaving TSP. Due to "security" reasons. My guess is nobody knew he was coming. Except Charlatan Dayal ofcourse through his evanjehadi link @ jubilee campaign.

Posted by: Viren Mar 23 2005, 08:51 AM

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Due to "security" reasons
On the contrary, security should have been alerted. Isn't there some protocol about visiting dignatories? If there was some unfortunate incident who'd have been responsible - John Dayal? mad.gif The whole thing stinks and there's more to all this than that meets the eye.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 23 2005, 08:57 AM

My guess again -> security details doesnt take time to arrange but its easy to catch desi bureacracy on wrong foot given our desi chalta-hai babus. You are right, this was a stunt pulled by pakis and pitts (i repeat myself). This stinks. But the good thing is we know there are pakis in US admin. We just need to expose it. Mainstream newspaper articles on such closet-pakis need to be published. Pitts, Burton and their ilk should be names that all desis recognise as pakis. Both in India and when they go to break a coconut at some desi temple to show 'solidarity'.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 23 2005, 09:26 AM

Why exclude traitor John Dayal? He is in bed with Pakis, he falls under same "Khalistani" category. It reminds me Sarforsh movie dialogue "Sala jis thaley mai khata hai usey mai cheadah karata hai"

Posted by: Viren Mar 23 2005, 01:20 PM

Another controversy in making ... http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=67011

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The organisers of the event, the Asian Music Circuit, say they haven’t invited Modi and don’t know on whose invitation he plans to be there.

Posted by: ramana Mar 23 2005, 01:29 PM

xposted from BR.

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The Modi visa fiasco was to get into the good books of the Indian Muslim community. In that respect it was direct intervention in Indian domestic politics. This is the realization that drove the UPA govt to close ranks. This closing of ranks has confused the Indian media which was on a Modi bashing roll. In simple terms it was not about Modi or NDA or anything. It was a clear case of intervention in Indian domestic politics. Now why does the US want to be in good books of the Indian Muslims when they already have the TSP and RAPE in their pocket? Thats for us to find out. - Maybe they want the Indian Muslim ummah to be their eyes and ears in the greater ummah. - Maybe they want the Muslim ummah to be representaive of the South Asian region. - Maybe they want the large Indian ummah to be partial to the US stance after the Mid-East fiasco, as they have a propensity to emigrate to the US - Shirin Tahir Kaheli, Ahsan Arhari, Farid Zakaria all quintessential proto RAPE- so thay can project the softer side of the US.

Posted by: AlbertPinto Mar 23 2005, 01:31 PM

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=NATION&file_name=nt1%2Etxt&counter_img=1

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Cong gets back to Modi bashing The Congress on Wednesday altered its position on Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, saying the BJP leadership should do some introspection about the "leader who had become a national embarrassment due to his deeds." The sudden shift of focus followed misgivings about the party's position on Mr Modi and strong disapproval of the party's stand among a section of Central leaders and the whole Gujarat unit. Though the party leadership defended its stance arguing it was in a limited context of the visa controversy and the UPA Government, too, was responding to the denial of a Chief Minister's rights. But there is a section of leaders who thought the party should have taken a more nuanced position and asserted its opposition to his brand of politics more stridently than it did while dealing with the visa row. A senior general secretary had told reporters on Tuesday that the point should not be missed that a great country like India was shown this discourtesy only because of one controversial person. The official position taken once could not have been changed but the party sought to water down the impression that "it was backing Mr Modi" by changing its line of argument. Party spokesperson Anand Sharma on Wednesday said the BJP should introspect why this was happening with Mr Modi only. He asked, "Is BJP under some compulsion to treat Mr Modi as a big leader after such an outcry against him?" Mr Sharma recalled how former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee said in America "I hang my head in shame" and Deputy Prime Minister LK Advani said in London what happened in Gujarat was wrong. Mr Sharma said Mr Vajpayee was even compelled to remind Mr Modi his rajdharma after describing Gujarat riots as a blot on the nation's forehead. Mr Sharma asked why does the BJP leadership project him as a good leader after all this? He said Mr Advani had described Gujarat as the best administered state in the country just before the visa controversy. He asked the BJP leadership to ponder over the fact that India had to suffer humiliation because of Mr Modi. Congress sources revealed that the Government too won't take up the matter with the United States again. They feel that the Government did the right thing by protesting as the head of an elected government was being ill-treated. But now it is upto the BJP leadership to think about why it all happened. The Prime Minister's Office on Wednesday said PM Manmohan Singh's statement in Parliament on the US denial of visa to Mr Modi was a criticism of Washington's decision and not a defence of the Chief Minister or of what happened in the State. "The PM's criticism of Mr Modi's handling of the situation in Gujarat is well known and the country knows very well Manmohan Singh's secular credentials and his commitment to all sections of our society," Singh's media adviser Sanjaya Baru said.

Posted by: AlbertPinto Mar 23 2005, 01:40 PM

When the Visa denial first happened a lot of columists came out in support of Modi and against the US, Now the trend has turned and a whole new set of columnists are coming out in support of the US action. There are columnists who openly call Modi a murderer - Can they not be sued , Are they allowed to say anything at all ? What about the issue of Zaheera Sheikh backtracking on her statement and accusing Teesta instead ? I wonder what the common people feel about this ?

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 23 2005, 02:17 PM

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He asked the BJP leadership to ponder over the fact that India had to suffer humiliation because of Mr Modi.
Another precedent has been set. It is best to stand up for your own party and save your own ass rather then think about country. In the process. - US interfers in India's affairs. - BJP becomes anti-US and starts to rethink US relationship. - Congies and Commies maintain status quo. Who lost the most in this affair ? We should hang our heads in shame.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 23 2005, 02:38 PM

ramana, I still believe Paki + Dayal lobby played major role. It is more to appease Paki + Dayal lobby than anything else. Pro lobby didn't realized strength of anti-India group. It’s a major failure of Indian Embassy. Congress intentionally ignored anti-India lobby because they were hitting BJP. This was a big mistake, Congress may have gained short term but it is a big loss for India in long run. Today they used riots tomorrow something else. This will tempt US to exploit India media for its own interest and change Indian mind set in future in country politics and religion. They will manipulate NGOs for their own use. US long term investment in NGOs is really paying off.

Posted by: Viren Mar 23 2005, 03:02 PM

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Today they used riots tomorrow something else
Mudy, lastest India Abroad had a story titled something like - "Today it's Modi, tomorrow it could be Manmohan"

Posted by: k.ram Mar 23 2005, 03:10 PM

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http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.php?id=032105015548 India In The Dock Dasu Krishnamoorty The United States has stuck to its guns expressing inability to revise its decision on Modi visas. Time to celebrate for all those secular-minded countrymen who deposed against their country before foreign commissions on religious freedom, for scholars who thrive on distorting history, for foreign-funded campus pedagogs, for proselytizers, for terrorists and in short for all those who wish an egg on India's face. They have succeeded in besmirching India's image as a secular country where, despite Akshardhams and Coimbatores, the minorities flourish and prosper as well as any member of the majority community in any area of public life. Delighted they all must be that a country with debatable human rights record has humbled a billion people. Thanks are no less due to those English newspapers for which famine and hunger can wait but not the call of secularism. Indeed, it is this galaxy that prepared the ground for US State Department's action in revoking visas for an elected chief minister of a major state of the Indian Republic to visit America. For all its sins of the past, including the 1984 Sikh massacre, the Congress has seen it fit to rise above partisan politics and protest the US diplomatic aberration. The Hindu, no friend of Modi, reported, (Gargi Parsai's report from New Delhi, 19/03/05) "Political parties across the spectrum sunk their differences in the Rajya Sabha today to unanimously condemn the United States action of denying a visa to "a constitutionally elected authority" of the country - the Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi." It shows that all parties in the country regard the American action as derogatory to India's sovereignty. For once, they have survived the temptation to draw political advantage from what detractors of the BJP see as its discomfiture. The Manmohan Singh government did not stop at making formal noises but called the American envoy to its foreign office and handed him the strongest possible protest. Our Foreign Office gave the American administration a few lessons in international jurisprudence that exposed the ridiculous logic behind the withdrawal of the visas. The refusal, as a matter of fact, is an irreversible evidence of America's disrespect for secularism of the right kind. But why blame the Americans when Indians themselves did India in. All those award-hungry human rights activists, rabid communal organizations representing the Indian minorities, intellectuals hiding their Indian identity behind South Asian masks and media persons with strange loyalties to the fiction of a global community saw nothing treacherous in appearing before foreign tribunals pillorying their country even as they are aware that their activities have weaned the minorities permanently away from the mainstream. They did the greatest damage to what they fondly call the country's secular fabric. That this is the handiwork of these worthies is evident from the explanation of a State Department spokesman who said, "The fact of the matter is that it was the Indians who investigated the riots and it was the Indian Government who determined that state institutions failed to act in a way that would prevent violence and would prevent religious persecution. So, this isn't a matter of the United States saying something happened or something didn't happen. It's a matter of the United States responding to a finding by the Indian National Human Rights Commission pointing to comprehensive failure on the part of the state government of Gujarat to control persistent violations of rights," he said. See the explanation of the State Department: Under Section 212 A 2G of the Immigration and Nationality Act. The relevant US law is reproduced below: "Foreign government officials who have engaged in particularly severe violations of religious freedom - Any alien who, while serving as a foreign government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time during the preceding 24-month period, particularly severe violations of religious freedom, as defined in section 3 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, and the spouse and children, if any, are inadmissible." This means that the state Department is the prosecutor. Okay. Did it ask Modi if he has anything to say to contest visa denial? Had it no knowledge of Gujarat riots when it first granted visas? The American logic does not stand a minute's scrutiny. The US has every right to deny any person visas in exercise of its sovereignty. But the reasons for such denial are not only irrational but a contradiction of America's due process tradition. First, the Americans have no jurisdiction over Narendra Modi. Second, even if they have, due process demands that all sides be heard. No. They depended on lies spread by the media and the NGOs. Even as the cars of the Godhra Express and bodies trapped inside were burning, the country's English newspapers unleashed a media genocide of the majority community spreading unabashed lies about what happened in Gujarat. Wealthy NGOs flew fact-finding teams into Gujarat to deserve the generosity of their donors. Editors left their air-conditioned workstations to visit trouble-torn spots in Gujarat to find evidence that matched their findings. Anti-democratic forces traveled all the way to the United States to appear before the State Department's International Commission for Religious Freedom. All of them forgot that there is a well-documented history of communal riots in the country, much of it in the 40 years of Nehru-Gandhi rule. The American Gujarati hoteliers delivered the worst blow to a country to which they belonged once, thereby bringing disgrace to their parents and relatives who still live in the country of their origin. It is totally unethical to withdraw an invitation. Why invite Modi in the first place if the hoteliers agreed with the American logic? It is clear that the hotelier community is torn between the lure of the dollar and the throwaways that Indian states offer for nothing more than a promise to invest. Every chief minister visiting the United States is wined and dined by avaricious leaders of the immigrant community. The hoteliers have brought a bad name not just for themselves but also for Gujaratis and the NRI diaspora. In this diabolic drama the silence of minority groups in the country is in contrast with the uninhibited glee of their counterparts in the US. The Federation of Indian American Christian Organizations of North America (FIACONA) has said that it is "pleased" at the US government's decision of denying a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. The Times of India that has done its most in popularizing an internationalist culture, says in an editorial (19 March) says, "Modi acolytes are certain to harp on the fact that he is a democratically elected leader. Hence to shut the door on the chief minister is to insult the people who elected him. In a globalizing world, no state or politician can afford to be an island. Democratic credentials have to be validated not just locally but also by the global community. This has been central to New Delhi's foreign policy. When South Africa was under the apartheid regime, India refused to have bilateral relations with its 'democratically elected' white government." Does it mean India's election results have to be submitted to a global community for approval? Which country in the world does it? What are the credentials and legitimacy of this farcical global community to review or revise decisions of a national community? Such utter nonsense can pass off for serious comment only among the editorial community of the English media in the country.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 23 2005, 03:18 PM

Came via email --------------------

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ANHAD'S PROTEST AGAINST INDIAN PM'S STATEMENT ON MODI Dear Friends, Anhad has received over hundred calls from different activists, human right groups both from within India and US, UK and Canada expressing deep shock over the PM's statement is Rajya Sabha yesterday, giving a clean chit to Modi. We have drafted the following statement and would release it tomorrow to the media at 4pm. Please sign it, also write your organisations name etc. We would compile all the names and resend it to friends who would like to release it in their cities. Please help us get more endorsement. If you are from a network, please get coordinators from all states to endorse. For your information American Express has withdrawn its $ 150000 sponsorship from the Modi event. Shabnam Hashmi[anhad_delhi@y...] Sunday, March 20, 2005 STATEMENT We express our shock and anger at the stand taken by the Prime Minsiter Dr. Manmohan Singh in the Rajya Sabha on the issue of refusal of visa to Mr. Narendra Modi by the USA. He has said that it is not proper for any agency to form its opinion on the role of Sh. Modi in the 2002 Gujarat genocide based on mere allegations. Sh. Singh needs to be reminded that it was the NHRC which had castigated Mr. Modi and his state government for having aided and abetted the act of genocide of Muslims in Gujarat in 2002, and it was the Supreme Court of India that had opined that the Modi government cannot be relied upon to bring about justice to the victims of the carnage. More than 50 national and international agencies of high credibility with their painstaking investigation had held Mr. Modi directly responsible for the act of genocide. The Prime Minister needs to come clean on this issue. Does he hold a considered opinion that the observations made by the NHRC and the Supreme Court of India are to be treated with contempt as shown by him in his Rajya Sabha speech? We commend the untiring efforts of NRIs and human rights activists in the US and in India who mobilized public opinion which led to the denial of Modifs visa. For those who claim that the international community has no role to play in the Gujarat carnage since it is a matter internal to the Indian nation, we would like to remind them that by the same logic, the entire world should have remained a mute spectator as millions of Jews were imprisoned and executed in concentration camps by the Nazi government. For those who claim that any insult to any elected official is an insult to the entire nation, we would like to remind them that Hitler, who is reviled even today, was also an elected official. There is nothing more insulting to the Indian nation than the pogroms that took place in Gujarat, and the fact that their main architect, Sh Narendra Modi, still continues to enjoy the powers and privileges of the Chief Minister in that state, while the Prime Minister of the country rushes to his defence. It is a matter of great shame that even 12 months after having assumed power the UPA government has done nothing to ensure justice to the victims of Gujarat genocide. It has taken no steps to instill a sense of security and confidence among the displaced, raped, and maimed minorities of Gujarat who have been left to fend for themselves. No financial and legal aid has been arranged by the Central government for them and it is treating the whole Gujarat genocide as a routine state matter.The statement by Dr. Manmohan Singh adds insult to the injury suffered by the Genocide victims of Gujarat, and is an affront to those NRIs and human rights activists in the US whose unflagging pressure on the US administration resulted in the denial of Mr. Modifs visa. That Dr. Singh should feel compelled to come out openly to speak for an organizer of mass murder who feels no remorse for his role shows that Dr. Singh has lost all sense of propriety. The statement also shows that the government wants to remain neutral on the question of communalism. We, as people who are committed to secularism and human rights in India, feel betrayed and would like to take this opportunity to express our sense of dispair that the political formation which is in power at the centre lacks any sense of moral responsibility and moral courage. On behalf of the dead and living victims of Gujarat genocide and on behalf of the sections of civil society which have worked for the defeat of the communal forces we demand an apology from Dr. Manmohan Singh for having humiliated the wronged citizens of India by issuing a highly insensitive and irresponsibe statement defending Mr. Narendra Modi.

Posted by: utepian Mar 23 2005, 03:22 PM

Another thought along the lines you have proposed Pintoji, is this: The band-baja group at the lowest level that orchestrated Modi's ignominy calls itself "Coalition against Genocide". The United Nations not long ago in relation to the continued Darfur massacres - hundreds of times greater in magnitude than anything that happened in Gujarat - stopped short of declaring it a Genocide. Genocide is one single powerful and scary word. It is also loaded with the following obligation from the comity of nations Where genocide is found to have taken place, signatories to a UN convention are legally obliged to act to end it. The intentions of the band-baja group is bold and clear. It is asking for intervention from the rest of the world. The reality is - in Gujarat riots happened. Pogroms - arguable. But Genocide? not even by the wildest stretch of imagination. The band-baja group is quite buoyed by its success in influencing official US foreign policy. Personally, I did not expect their influence to extend beyond $15 samosa jaunts and tv_feliz.gif . But clearly this is a miscalculation. For citizens of India as indeed the GOI after Washington's insouciant rejection of the demarche, this calls for a task that should be the first order in the aftermath. Indian Supreme court must declare happenings in Gujarat between March and May 2002 to be riots. More importantly it must tell without mincing words that it was not a Genocide. It must further notify that private citizens, media, NGOs and others referring to these riots as genocide are liable for contempt of court or litigations against them. Now, I am legally challenged. But I'd like to invite legal-eagles from within this group to shed light on this matter. Now another point. No less this arbitrary accusation of genocide - it paints a certain group and all of them to be victims. Just as it paints another group and all of them without exception as perpetrators of this genocide. Gujarati people in this campaign have all become perpetrators of Genocide. Again, putting the matter in words and actions I understand. If someone arbitrarily keeps giving press conferences and the press obliges, accusing me to be a rapist - what do I do? Do I have a right for protection from law given that my accuser has infinite and lopsided support of publicity? Therefore the two portions of my questions. Can there be a definite ruling from the highest court in India - based on a PIL perhaps - that happenings in Gujarat were not Genocide? If the above ruling can be passed, can it be used to file a class action suit on behalf of American citizens of Gujarati origin against all signitories of CAG? If not for strict legal recourse, I hope I have been able to communicate the general drift of my ideas. Maybe this requires a seprate thread to discuss ideas on (i) what to aim for (ii) how to go about achieving it (iii) participants This thread if opened, should be oriented in action. Thanks

Posted by: Ashok Kumar Mar 23 2005, 06:47 PM

There are some curiosities regarding Modi and Jayalalitha. Both had passed anti-conversion laws. The US law under which Modi was denied visa mentions a 24 month period during which acts of restricting religious freedom can qualify one for rejection of visa. Gujrat riots occured more than 2 years ago. A newspaper (I forgot which) reported that Modi had passed the anti-conversion laws within last 24 months. So the legality that US used was for that law. We had wondered in the past what prompted such a quick turnaround by Jayalalitha on the anti-conversion law. Now I wonder more.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 23 2005, 06:50 PM

The spanking continues.. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1292350,0008.htm?headline=US~threatens~sanctions,~India~in~action

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US threat fires India to target trafficking Rajnish Sharma New Delhi, March 23,2005|02:08 IST The Home Ministry plans a series of measures to check trafficking of women and children following a US warning that it will impose economic sanctions on India from June for its failure to do so. Ministry sources said US Ambassador to India David Mulford met Home Minister Shivraj Patil over a week ago and conveyed to him that under the US's Victims of Trafficking and Violence Act, India's position could be downgraded for not doing enough to curb trafficking. If this happens, the US will be bound to vote against loans to India from international financial institutions like the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and the Asian Development Bank. The Centre seems keen on taking some tough measures to tackle the problem. Patil has convened a meeting of senior officials of the Home Ministry and the Department of Women and Child Welfare on March 28 in this regard. The Home Ministry is also planning ask all states - especially Bihar, Orissa, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal and Maharashtra, where the problem is acute -- to initiate strict measures against trafficking. "States where the problem is more acute will be asked to rope in voluntary agencies to launch programmes for rehabilitation for such victims," a senior ministry official said. Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata - which are viewed as "big markets" for the flesh trade will be asked to launch special drives to check trafficking, particularly of minor girls. New Delhi also plans to get security forces manning the porous Indo-Nepal and Indo-Bangladesh borders to step up the vigil since women from Nepal and Bangladesh are regularly smuggled into India and sold. The ministry, which will send a detailed report to the US ambassador on the measures initiated to check human trafficking, will also monitor the use of funds received from US agencies in India for "training and sensitising" people on the issue.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 23 2005, 07:05 PM

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Who lost the most in this affair ? We should hang our heads in shame.
I don't agree. Sometimes it takes an incident like this to bring issues into sharp focus. Here's what has happened: 1. The US SD is back-pedalling big-time, sucking up to the BJP etc. From what I know, this is a major case of "caught a tiger by the tail". That's not a defeat for the BJP. 2. The all-out hysteria about "India Shining" may get cooled a bit with the realization that we're a bit far from "superpowerness". All to the good. 3. The commie-pakis have suddenly been cast as ant-national by the PM Himself - a Congress PM. The Rajya Sabha has condemned the US action. Look at the Demand for Apology above. tv_feliz.gif 4. Miracle of miracles - the hotel owners got together and delivered a swift, sure, attention-getting message to American Express. I got the inside scoop on this - and man! was it something! 5. With some luck and a lot of hard work by us, maybe some small percentage of the "community" will come around to realize that they shouldn't believe everything the "mainstream media and intellectuals" spout. 6. From what I hear, there may be more to this than will be talked about - some serious efforts to organize and unite. 7. The SD got a few nice kicks in the media about their arbitrary racist goons. 8. The snooty Preeti "Ag 30pcs" Bansal made a serious miscalculation, and has burned her bridges to much of the moderate Hindu organizations that backed her candidacy. And what was the net cost? That Modi didn't come over here, and get a lot of media exposure for the commie-pakis' demonstrations.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 23 2005, 07:20 PM

N3 I can live with everything else but without an appropriate response from GOI all else is just words and talk. Just showing deep concern is nothing. The issue again is not related to Modi. There was a movie called Don *ing Amitach Bachchan in double role. In the movie the show Helen as a police informant who calls police to catch Don (AB). As the police surround it AB goes looking for his gun. He finds it but Helen declares that she has thrown away all bullets. AB says "i know there aint any bullets u know there aint no bullets but the police dont know". He gags her up and puts the gun to her head and walks right by the police. By its action GOI has shown that it doesnt have any bullets. So next time even if GOI does have bullets who is going to believe them ? We just made the cost of our threat higher, we will have to act at some point but by not responding and just expressing "deep concern" GOI and congress has thrown away "threat of action" as a viable option. Moreover a precedent has been set whereby next time BJP comes to power and Lalu is on dock, they will just express "deep concern" and be done with it. I do agree SD has backed down but not where they realise the cost of their action. JMT.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 23 2005, 07:24 PM

Regarding Jayalalithas anti-conversion law the word on the street is that it was never enforced and just a tactic to squeeze money from the missionaries The missionaries booked a lot of time on Jaya TV

Posted by: narayanan Mar 23 2005, 08:11 PM

As international diplomacy goes, the GOTUS / SD has done the equivalent of rushing headlong into a poo-poo bucket. Ambassador summoned, Rajya Sabha resolution, Foreign Office tongue-lashing, statements from the PM. That's about all the "retaliation" one can expect. Anything else at this point constitutes "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face". There ARE repercussions, no doubt - US businesses are going to lash out at SD for stupidity. Other than that, there are no viable visible retaliations. What I do expect is that a few missionaries are going to find visa rejections - esp. if BJP comes to power again. Modi is not going to back down on the anti-conversion law, and other states may adopt it out of bloody-mindedness. The problem here is, remember, the US Congressional Commission on International Religious Freedom - a set of bigoted pests if ever there was one. This is the latest equivalent of "nuclear sanctions". So - if Indians want to say f*(k.gif to them, the way to do it is to kick out a lot of missionaries who are abusing the terms of their tourist visas and impose anti-conversion laws all over. Trouble then is, of course, that the US might start attacking yindoo fundoo fundraising, joining the Biju camp. OTOH, we keep making the mistake of seeing things only from our own pov. Look at things from the US fundoos' POV, to understand some more of the situation. Desis can come here, and "convert" Americans all they want, through Rajneesh-type or Hare Krsna or whatever - and the GOTUS allows them full freedom, even to milk money away from US for these "pagan" causes. So they feel that India is being pretty nasty in limiting the activities of the American soul-savers who are after all, pouring money to "needy" Indians. This is the basis of the USCIRF's gripe. India is the aggressor already, and they are getting complaints from solid supporters of the Republican Party. The US xtian fundoos are feeling terribly victimized, and want to know why the pagans are allowed to run wild in the US while they are not allowed to go save souls in India. Unfair, etc. etc. What is our counter to this? Its only that we can't match the money-flow, and feel threatened by it. Trouble is, one has to be a commie-pinko / dam-busting environmental extremist to argue that capitalist $$ and western "culture" and religion pouring into a tribal area is anything other than good. And unfortunately, all the pinkos are allied with the fundoo Xtians in this case, and will not attack GOTUS for destroying Indian tribal culture. The tsunami reaction, where India kicked out the foreigners trying to intrude in the Andamans, may have had more to do with this step than anything the commie-pinkos did. I am sure the big $$-cross-charities whined loudly to GOTUS about that - and Indian officials just pulled out this ancient law that says foreigners are not allowed in the Andamans. Now maybe we see why ManMohan Singh etc. came down on Modi's side - this visa denial may have been just the latest manifestation of a long-running p1**ing contest.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 23 2005, 08:31 PM

Narayan, Hindus dont have a free run in the US Remember the kidnappings of ISKCON members to de-program them The numerous hassles to get zoning to get temples built or expanded The numerous zoning regulations on temple architechture etc Also look at how muslims treat xtians in muslim countries as opposed to what xtians can get away with in India and nothing happens to muslims who persecute xtians All 57 OIC countries merrily persecute not just xtian missionaries but just plain xtians too No hindu is interested in persecuting an ordinary xtian, not even Bajrang Dal As the Indian economy improves and the dollar ratio falls the evangelising drive will run out of money Church attendance is dropping in the west and if we hang in for a few more decades, there wont be any more funds left for evangelism

Posted by: narayanan Mar 23 2005, 09:09 PM

I don't disagree, GS, and am keenly aware of all the difficulties faced by Hindus even in something as simple as the right to worship - but the point is that I am not a neo-con / Moral Majority billionaire Evangelist. Don't even own white shoes or a golden Cadillac, not to mention private Boeing 747s. One has to listen carefully to the radio in Ahlana Jawjuh to appreciate the feelings of extreme persecution that Good Followers of the Lawd feel when they contemplate the pagans in india. Such an INVASION of immoral concepts! WHY do students in the high schools - TAXPAYER-FUNDED at that! have to learn about Pagan religions? Lawd Awmighty! HWAH DOO the Heeathen Rage? We have to understand the issues from all sides before formulating effective strategies.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 23 2005, 09:21 PM

The US has been willing to dump xtians when it conflicts with its business interests Note China and Saudi Arabia The key then is to get US businesses entangled in India so that they become lobbyists Dont get mad, get even

Posted by: Kumar Mar 23 2005, 09:46 PM

This whole episode reminded me of when I used to live in Northern California. One evening we decided to go to a restaurant called Stinking Roses in San Francisco. Anyway, I was frantically looking for parking but I was unable to find one. The streets were blocked and San Francisco police was everywhere. I was wondering what the heck was going on. Anyway, finally we found some parking about 3 blocks away or so. As we approached the restaurant, we noticed the entrance was all blocked by police and bodyguard types. We noticed some VIP walked out of the restaurant. He was surrounded by the cops and bodyguards. I saw him leave in a big limousine. Streets were blocked and no traffic was allowed by SFPD. Only pedestrians were allowed. Anyhow he left under heavy police escorts with siren and lights. Well once we were able to get inside the restaurant, I asked the waitress that who the heck was that guy. She told me that it was King of Jordan who just had dinner here. That is the way Americans are. They are great buyers of bullshitters. If you want America’s respect if that is your priority then you will have to become a great bullshitter. I have heard numerous stories where Saudis have forced America to bend backwards over many issues. Why? Because Saudis put a lots of money in America. Saudi embassy get special protection from secret services. In American mind, Arabs are the only one who deserve diplomatic honor. I do not think American bestow that kind of honor for any body but Arabs. Power of bullshit and money! I personally think there is no point in creating tension with USA at this juncture. Start with the simple problem. Let us rid ourselves of a disease called DDM (Desi Dork Media) first then we can move on to next more complex problem.

Posted by: SSridhar Mar 24 2005, 02:29 AM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_22-3-2005_pg3_2 I have sent the following response to him. Let me see if he replies:

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Dear Mr. Ahmed, Your Op-Ed in Daily Times of Pakistan dated today on the subject in question was disappointing to say the least to a person like me from across the border, who regularly reads your column. Before I go any further, let me say emphatically that neither do I belong to any political party nor do I condone the Gujarat riots of 2002. I have no doubt in my mind that the Muslims had suffered a lot in the Gujarat riots and I feel ashamed that such a thing happened. Yet, I take strong objection to your Op-Ed because what you have stated are morally and ethically wrong and is based on a series of conjectures and incorrect information. I seek your patience in reading this rather long mail. You state that the Gujarat CM is a "rabid communalist". Pray, on what basis did you make that statement ? Do I see pseudo-secualarism on display here from you ? To the best of my knowledge, he has never denigrated other religions nor did he incite the Hindus to "kill" any non-Hindu infidel. At worst, he could be "accused", if at all, of being unable to stop the communal orgy that engulfed his State after the gruesome killing of Kar Sevaks returning from a pilgrimage. But, the fury, the suddenness and spread of the violence were on such a scale that nobody else could have done anything else as well more effectively. We see so many violent sectarian clashes in Pakistan day in and day out and why does it not generate as much passion in you ? The only conclusion I can come to is that you probably feel that internecine war is of a much lesser evil than one involving the kaffir Hindus. My example of a "rabid communalist" will be a Qazi Hussein Ahmed of JI or a Fazlur Rehman of JUI or Maulana Masood Azhar of JeM, the late Mufti Shamzai of Binori, Fazlur Rehman Khalil of HuM, Maulana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi of Sipah-e-Sahaba, or even Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul or Lt. Gen Javed Nasir who have openly called for Jihad-al-saif against India in general and Hindus in particular. I can assure you that none of the communal leaders in India, whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Budhist or Sikh come anywhere near the above gentlemen, if one can call them so. It is strange and even shameful that you should quote such right-wing Pakistani bigots to indirectly accuse a secular, multi-ethnic, plural and democratic India in which a few shameful aberrations have indeed happened whether they be Gujarat riots or the Godhra carnage or the Bombay/Coimbatore serial blasts, anti-Sikh riots etc. If you have no compunction in citing them to "make India feel guilty" of being a "sham democracy where the minorities are under majoritarian tyranny", what else can one say ? While not condoning any of the later-day riots, I welcome you to go even before Independence to a united India and the terror let loose by your revered leaders like Jinnah or Suhrawardy under the garb of "Direct Action Day". Or, even the Butcher of Bengal Gen. AAK Niazi in 1971. You say next that "he has Muslim blood on his hands" but correctly state immediately thereafter that no court has found him guilty. As a human being, I am not going to distinguish between Hindu, Muslim, Ahmedi, Budhist and Christian bloods. But, what surprised me was the rather defensive and factually incorrect statement you make about the Godhra train carnage. Why should you be in an indecent hurry to say that the Hindu kar sevaks killed themselves in Godhra and shifted the blame on Muslims ? For starters, it was not the Supreme Court that said so. It was an enquiry commission set up by Laloo Prasad (despite the two other comprehensive Commissions already on the job), the new Railway Minister that gave an "interim" report just in time before the elections in Bihar. Without getting into the merits or otherwise of the report, the intentions are quite obvious. You have to realize that the NHRC, however much it could be respected, is no substitute for a constitutionally formed inquiry commission or the Courts. Ultimately, cases have to be proven in Courts of Law and punishment meted out by Judges, not by media or the NHRC. One should remember that Mr. Modi has been returned to power with two-thirds majority in an election conducted after the riots under a very strict Chief Election Commissioner, Mr. Lyngdoh (who was a Christian just to set any speculation at rest) who used his unfettered powers to ensure that those officials tainted by the riots were not in influential positions at the time of voting. Your comparison with Hitler is totally incorrect. Hitler "subverted" democracy through the Beer Hall putsch and ran a reign of terror. That was clearly not the case in the Gujarat elections. In fact, the Election Commission went to extraordinary lengths to ensure a fair election. If NHRC of India is respected, so is the Indian Election Commission, its electoral process and democracy. Why should only the NHRC be conveniently praised and not the other ? So, what is the next step in the process of villification ? Paint the millions who voted Mr. Modi to power as criminals ? As for your inopportune reference to Mahatma Gandhi, I wish to recall that Gandhi called for disbanding the Congress after independence was won as he felt that the Congress had served its purpose and the continuation of the party would lead to power struggle. Your citing of Congress apologizing to the Sikhs is thoroughly misplaced. They did it a full twenty years after the event. Yet, the instigators of the anti-Sikh pogrom, HKL Bhagat, Maken and others went scot free and were even given tickets to stand for elections much after their involvement became public affair. So, why do you seek to take moral support from a non-existent source such as the Congress ? As for the Communists, can there be bigger murderers than them in the history of this world ? Josef Stalin is the worst dictator the world has seen, far worse than Hitler or Gengiz Khan or Aurangzeb put together perhaps. The support of the Communist parties in India for Naxal violence that kills everyday scores of civilians is too well known. However, the Congress and even the Communists who are more staunchly opposed to the BJP (the first aim of the Communists anywhere is to decimate the majority religion of the land in order for them to sow their brand of governance), are together in objecting to the US move because they see a greater strategic threat in the unabashed misuse of "religion" by the US. It has always been a Pakistani failing in that they only take "tactical" positions and fail to perceive the "strategic" implications. It is an open secret that the US employs such concepts as "human rights" and "religious freedom' to further its own hegemonic interests. Though I could glean from your columns that you have a more tolerant and secular outlook than an average Muslim, especially from Pakistan, it is inappropriate for anyone to derive satisfaction from Modi's situation. Though I would hate to say this so openly, yet the fact remains that Hinduism is far more tolerant and secular than Islam especially of the Salafist Sunni, Wahhabi, Deobandi and even the Berelvi varieties so widely practised in your country and most of the Middle East. The US Govt, which has suddenly donned the mantle of espousing religious freedom, has been cosying up to despots, dictators and mass murderers like the Shah of Iran, the absolutist Kings in the Middle East and a series of dictators in Pakistan, not to say anything of the murderers in Latin American countries. I recall Gen. Zia-ul-Haq led an armoured-brigade attack on unarmed, civilian Palestenians in a Jordan refugee camp killing hundreds of them in a few days. Not that any of these can be cited to "support" a similar re-enactment elsewhere, but, we have to have an overall sense of history before we jump to point fingers. The US itself has blood on its hand. The Vietnam war, especially the My Lai massacre, the massacre in the Korean war of unarmed civilians, its toleration of Israeli terrorism and even the overt and covert support for the Zionist state, its recent unwarranted attack on a secular Iraq leading to bloodbath, the arrogant and humiliating treatment of civilian (including woman) prisoners in Abu Gharib, the preparations for an impending attack on Iran etc. are there for everyone to see. So, the US is not exactly a paragon of virtue to be modelled after. That is what makes this unfortunate episode all the more tragic. It is clear in my mind at least that the US is using the Modi episode to retrieve some lost leverage among the Muslim ummah. They have decided to sacrifice Narendra Modi at the altar of expediency. I wish you would be as passionate in highlighting state-sponsored atrocities against "human beings", whether it is Muslims of Palestine/Kosovo or Hindus/Sikhs of Kashmir/Pakistan/Bangladesh or Shias/Ahmedis of Pakistan or Coptics of Egypt.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 24 2005, 03:19 AM

http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/24modi.htm American Express not to sponsor hoteliers' meet George Joseph in New York | March 24, 2005 08:54 IST Last Updated: March 24, 2005 11:14 IST In another blow to the Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi supporters in the United States, the American Express Corporation withdrew its sponsorship for the Asian American Hotel Owners Association convention due to begin Thursday (March 24) in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Earlier, Chris Matthews of Hard Ball programme of NBC declined the invitation of the AAHOA to speak at the convention following protests from groups such as Coalition Against Genocide. Christine Elliott, an official of American Express, conveyed the decision to CAG. The message said: "As you know from our previous communications, our sponsorships at AAHOA's 2005 annual convention included the following three events: an industry issues panel, an awards ceremony and an address by former National Football League quarterback Terry Bradshaw." "Unfortunately, a conference that was intended to help promote travel and tourism has become the object of partisan political contention. Therefore, we have chosen to withdraw from the conference," Elliott said. The CAG welcomed the decision. "By withdrawing its sponsorship for the convention, American Express has set a good example of responsible corporate behaviour," a CAG spokesperson said. CAG member Biju Mathew observed: "The campaign against Modi is not one of partisan politics, but a campaign for justice. American Express' action sets it apart as a corporation with ethics." CAG urged the AAHOA leadership to immediately withdraw its invitation and work towards safeguarding the pluralist ethos of India and the economic well being of the Indian diaspora in the US. In a letter dated March 4, CAG wrote to American Express that the corporation's sponsorship of the event would legitimise a politician who could be held accountable for many omissions and commissions. The letter was followed by numerous calls, e-mails and faxes from human rights activists, professors, students and other concerned community members to several American Express executives.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 24 2005, 06:42 AM

I am not sure if this is old news I did hear Amex backed out when AAHOA threatened to boycott Amex Or it could be Amex coming under new pressure We will know in a few days

Posted by: k.ram Mar 24 2005, 07:15 AM

Wonder what Preeti Bansal (and her Paki lovers) has to say about this?

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Government restores religious identity in passports: ISLAMABAD, March 24: Government today approved the restoration of the section identifying a person's religion in the country's new passports, a minister said. The move was seen as a surrender to demands by Islamic parties which were outraged late last year when the travel documents were redesigned and issued without the section. (AFP) (Posted @ 16:10 PST) http://www.dawn.com/2005/03/24/welcome.htm

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 08:09 AM

QUOTE (G.Subramaniam @ Mar 24 2005, 09:42 AM)
I am not sure if this is old news I did hear Amex backed out when AAHOA threatened to boycott Amex Or it could be Amex coming under new pressure We will know in a few days
GS, I had heard the same. Also believe there was an email/post of Indian community in NYC's diamond district threating to dump American Express. Anyone with latest on this?

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 08:15 AM

Oh, oh...his dorkiness has spoken: http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/24dilip.htm Of course, Dilip Dorky D'Souza doesn't find it insulting to invite foreign invaders to 'rescue India' too. Also please note, Dork's dad deposed before Sri Krishna commission while kiddo D'Souza quitely wrote 41+ articles on Gujarat. BTW, his dad was topmost bureaucrat of Maharashtra for about 3 decades and Mumbai's seen more than it's share of riots in that period. I pray Dilip D'Souza hangs his head in shame and shreds his passport just for that. here's the vile piece, enjoy:

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You know the barrel of ideas is at its bottom-scraping emptiest when you start hearing the hollow comparisons to M K Gandhi. Revile him as a coward (has Modi ever called Gandhi a coward?) when convenient, reduce his legacy to a caricature -- but when you need to rally public support, there remain few better ways, even today, than to invoke his name. (better Gandhi than Stauffenberg no dorkji?) Then again, maybe that's the caricature, right there. Maybe it lies in the use of Gandhi to lend legitimacy to anything at all, even by people who ordinarily have contempt for him. And yet, when they do it, they blithely give themselves away: they have nothing to offer, no argument to make, no way to persuade us of their virtues. Therefore, they make the Gandhi comparison. As now, when a man's application for a US visa is turned down. No, this does not cause him to reflect on the horrible perversion of justice that led to this rejection. No, it does not persuade his supporters that the best way to ensure he does get a visa next time -- if he really wants one, as he seems to -- is to speedily restore justice to a land starved of it. No, all we see is the man doing what he does so efficiently when criticised, as after the violence in his state three years ago. He paints that criticism as an assault on eye-catching ideas like 'asmita' and 'swabhimaan.' Your asmita, my asmita. Your swabhimaan, my swabhimaan. Why these are under attack because he is criticised, we must not ask. We must simply feel it, that's all. Because he knows that if we do, we'll get riled by the attack, and rally behind him. Or perhaps that's the caricature, right there. In the way a yearning for justice after indiscriminate slaughter is dismissed as an insult. So it's no surprise to hear that his rejected visa is an attack on the Indian Constitution, on India, on our Indian-ness itself. You and I are supposed to be insulted, our swabhimaan torn to shreds. (then on wonders why Manmohan lost it in Rajya Sabha - didn't his govt apply for Modi's diplomatic visa) And just in case that seems like a bit of a stretch to you -- it does to me -- he has that man Gandhi ready to be trotted out. 'A man from Gujarat was thrown out of a train in South Africa!' he intones from the stage of a 'swabhimaan' rally, reminding us of the incident that was seared into a nation's psyche. Suggesting to us that his rejection is made of the same stuff. Suggesting to us, too, that maybe he himself is made of the same stuff as that man. Or is that the caricature? But of course, it isn't the same stuff. Because Gandhi would have known, and made his opinion known unequivocally -- the killing in his state three years ago was not just a great crime. It was also injustice greater by far than when he was pushed onto that platform in Pietermaritzburg. And a rejected visa doesn't compare to either. We know this. The visa-deprived man knows it. Yet as chief minister, he will do nothing to apply justice to those killings: a dereliction of Constitutional duty that, anywhere else, at a minimum, would have cost him his job. He knows that too. Which is why his defence is the bluster that he has not been convicted by any court, and he won an election. Well, true. But then that's our stellar Indian history. Massacres like we saw in Gujarat are never punished. Not a single Indian politician embroiled in legal cases has been convicted. And plenty of them have won elections nevertheless. This one is no different. (Dorky's dad might have few answer on all this, but we'll never know will we?) So where does all this leave him? In a place where he has to fall back on that hero from a generation gone by, still hero to millions. Gandhi. And in doing that, he finds more caricature. He urges us to take inspiration from that man in a way that is so absurd it is funny. 'Let us pledge to work for such a day,' he announced at the same 'swabhimaan' rally, 'when an American will have to stand in line for entry into Gujarat.' (but our Dorkyji had advocated foreigners invade India so one can see why he has an issue with foreigners standing in a line for visa) This is now what makes up our swabhimaan, our self-respect: the stuff, whatever it is, that will make us make others stand in line. Make us 'work for such a day.' Make us, in fact, 'pledge to work for such a day.' As caricatures go, that's a riot. Enough caricature. Let me spend a few final paragraphs addressing these things, self-respect and nationhood. How do you build them, really? To begin with, by knowing what doesn't build them. You don't build self-respect by making other people stand in line. ohmy.gif You don't build it by finding insult in a rejected visa. (yeah - Modi despartely wanted to see Niagara falls and/or apply for a job in US rolleyes.gif ) You don't build it by pretending mass murder never happened, or it isn't that big a deal, or that some of it was merely retaliation so it's OK. These are the things that destroy self-respect. They chip away at any idea of a nation. On the other hand, one measure does build self-respect and pride: justice, firmly and swiftly applied. Nothing less. Stripped to its essence, this was that man Gandhi's message. This was his vision for India. (and his vision include yanking each and every soul harvester out of India too, pray comment on it dorkyji) Especially at a time when so many people presume to tell you what is or isn't an insult to you, even what is or isn't anti-national, it does a power of good to remember that vision. Gandhi knew that a country that fulfilled the promise of justice to all its citizens would stand tall on its own. (clap, clap, clap...) And such a country would find no offence in a rejected visa. But it would certainly find offence in crime, more so in crime left unpunished. And that's no caricature.

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 08:26 AM

http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/23guest11.htm

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Visas, or rather their revocation, make strange bedfellows. A week ago, one would have said Ram Guha, anthropologist and historian, had little in common with Narendra Modi apart from the usual complement of four limbs, a mouth and two eyes. One sports gold-rimmed Bulgari glasses and a scruffy beard; the other is clean-shaven and wears discreet tortoise-shelled rims. One thrives on civilised debate, the other spends vast amounts of energy inciting communal disharmony. Both were invited to visit the US -- admittedly by very different sets of people. And both were denied entry to the land of the brave and the home of the free despite possessing spotless track records in terms of previous US visits. In both cases, the US actually revoked valid visas it had issued, implying that it had earlier found Guha's and Modi's presence unobjectionable. The inconsistency and arbitrariness of the process is troubling. Guha was turned away because a US immigration officer refused to believe that a Third World academic would be invited and paid a generous honorarium to deliver lectures by an American university. Modi's visa was revoked on the grounds of his 'carrying out particularly severe violations of religious freedom' under a citation of the International Religious Freedom Act. Not every academic from the Third World is turned away on the grounds that it is unlikely an American university would pay them to deliver lectures. In fact, the campuses of US universities teem with Third World academics who are paid to perform precisely this task. It was at the discretionary power of one immigration official, presumably low down in the food chain, that Guha's visa was revoked. Modi's decision was obviously taken at a much higher level. Presumably the US decided that it didn't want to handle the inevitable protests a visit from the Gujarat chief minister would provoke. It hunted through its rulebooks and found an act that could be conveniently used to keep Modi out. Fair enough. But not every violator of religious freedom is turned away at the US' doorstep. Ariel Sharon visits on a regular basis and so do Saudi princes, Chinese officials, and assorted bureaucrats and politicians hailing from many other nations noted for their lack of religious freedom. One may argue that there is a fair amount of evidence that Modi's administration was indictable in the post-Godhra massacres. But Sharon was undoubtedly the man directly in charge when the Israelis blockaded the Palestinian refugee camps at Sabra and Shatila in September 1982, and sent in Lebanese militiamen to massacre the PLO. The Saudis make no secret of their enthusiastic suppression of religious freedom and nor do the Chinese. The US routinely hands out visas to visitors from these nations, including to officials who are directly responsible for acts of suppression. It does not invoke this Act except when it suits it. One can scarcely argue with a great deal of conviction in favour of Modi being allowed to wander the world as he pleases. There is just too much anecdotal evidence on record from far too many sources to suggest that he encouraged the post-Godhra rioting. The charges against him are no less heavy because they have not been officially proved. It is unfortunate in the Indian context that there will probably be no conclusions drawn on Godhra for another decade or more. After all, the courts are still wading through evidence pertaining to an incident that occurred at a place of worship in Faizabad on December 6, 1992. But is the US visa issuance process really this arbitrary? It seems so indeed. X gets a visa, Y doesn't -- there's no apparent reason why. A faceless civil servant at the airport revokes a valid visa without any consultation of higher-ups. An act pertaining to religious freedom and the suppression thereof is sometimes invoked and often, not. It's an odd way for a nation that sanctimoniously trumpets its commitment to the rule of law to behave.

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 08:45 AM

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Can there be a definite ruling from the highest court in India - based on a PIL perhaps - that happenings in Gujarat were not Genocide?
utpeian, Read http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/28arvind.htm where he's written about this exact issue.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 09:02 AM

http://www.hinduamericanfoundation.org/media_press_release_pitts.htm

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Press Release HINDU AMERICAN FOUNDATION CONDEMNS HINDUPHOBIC RESOLUTION IN HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DATE: March 21, 2005 The Hindu American Foundation (HAF) expressed grave disappointment over omissions in House Resolution 160 introduced by Representative Joseph Pitts (R-PA) and Representative John Conyers (D-MI) on March 16, 2005. According to the preamble, the purpose of the resolution was "to condemn all violations of religious freedom in India." In letters written to both Congressmen, HAF criticized the resolution for its complete neglect of violations and persecution against Hindus in not only India, but also other countries of South Asia. The resolution represented a political agenda, according to HAF, as it was submitted in advance of a planned visit by Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of the state of Gujarat, India, to the United States. The visit was cancelled on March 18, 2005 when the United States State Department abruptly revoked Mr. Modi's tourist visa and declined granting him a diplomatic visa. There is speculation that the resolution, in addition to a coordinated campaign by members of the Forum of Indian Leftists, Indian Muslim Council, Federation of Indian American Christian Organizations of North America, Coalition Against Genocide, and others to vilify not only Modi, but his political party, the Bharatiya Janata Party, led to the unexpected decision. HAF expressed concern to Congressmen Pitts and Conyers about their criticism of India for alleged violations of religious freedom. As the world's largest democracy with a constitution influenced by the Hindu ethos of tolerance and pluralism, combined with a mature judiciary and human rights monitoring mechanisms, HAF felt that India hardly deserved to be a target of such a resolution. HAF also expressed frustration that the Congressmen made India a focus of a resolution condemning religious persecution in South Asia while Pakistan and Bangladesh escaped mention. "The heinous tragedy that befell Gujarati Muslims in riots after the murder of 58 Hindus burned alive on a train by terrorists must be denounced. But if the Congressmen were sincere in their censure of violations of religious freedom, they would not have ignored the situation in India's Jammu & Kashmir state, where thousands have been massacred, and where religio-ethnic cleansing by Islamist extremists supported by Pakistan has resulted in an exodus of 400,000 Hindus, Sikhs, and Indian Muslims from their ancestral homes," said Dr. Mihir Meghani, President of the Hindu American Foundation. "HAF presented evidence during a Capitol Hill reception and Congressional visits in May 2004, of the tens of thousands of Hindus murdered, raped and driven from their homes in Bangladesh beginning as recently as 2001, and religious cleansing of millions of people continuing even today," said Swaminathan Venkataraman, member of the HAF Executive Council. "Ignoring those figures and the contemptible human rights record within Pakistan renders this resolution hopelessly deficient," he added. Perhaps most outrageous to many Hindus, according to HAF, is the implication inherent in a line in the submitted resolution "…that those arrested in connection with the bombings and retaliatory attacks on Hindus in India have claimed that they carried out their actions in revenge for the state-assisted killings of Muslims in Gujarat…" HAF denounced the statement in strong terms. "It is this very rhetoric—that terrorism and atrocities committed against Hindus is by some perverse logic justifiable—that has left Hindu victims ignored," the letter stated. HAF members pointed out that the genocide and forced exodus of surviving Hindus from the Kashmir valley, the deaths of over 50,000 Indian citizens due to the Pakistan sponsored insurgency in the valley and the 2001 attack on India's Parliament by Islamist terrorists predated the tragedy in Gujarat. In addition, the involvement of Congressman Pitts, known for his championing the Pakistani rhetoric about Kashmir, despite that country's support for terrorism in Kashmir, was a source of consternation for many Hindu Americans. "Congressman Pitts has a history of ignoring the suffering of Hindus everywhere, especially in South Asia," said Dr. Meghani. "His personal biases against Hindus and India are disappointingly transparent in this resolution." HAF also announced a campaign to educate the nearly 2 million Hindus in the United States of the efforts by Congressman Pitts, a small minority of others in the House of Representatives, Islamist groups, and radical communist groups to systematically promote a Hinduphobic and anti-India agenda within the United States. “This pro-active campaign furthers HAF's mission of promoting tolerance, pluralism and understanding,” Dr. Meghani said. “We need to come to terms with the reality of terrorism in South Asia and urge justice for all victims of religious and ethnic violence."

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 09:06 AM

While AAHOA is an industry specific association we should probably urge HAF or other such associations to reach out to small business owners. If all business owners are part of an association and collectively boycott amex then that would be a big kick in the musharraf.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 24 2005, 09:07 AM

Outlook India Psec Seema Sirohi And Suddenly, We Care... The anti-Modi coalition was tactically successful because its objectives meshed well with the Bush Administration's, circa 2005, which had largely kept quiet in 2002 while Gujarat burned and Modi reaped a harvest of hate. SEEMA SIROHI WASHINGTON All politics are local. The Bush Administration denying Narendra Modi a visa was a direct result of local pressures, local aims and local gains. It cost the administration little while gaining goodwill among Muslim groups in the United States and even the larger Muslim world. The move subtly underlined the message "we care" -- an important talking point for the next four years as George Bush moulds his legacy to show he also protects Muslims, not just hound them. This is the same administration which largely kept quiet in 2002 while Gujarat burned and Modi reaped a harvest of hate. At the time the BJP was in power and Washington was in the process of strengthening relations with India. Today, the BJP is out, the UPA is in and Modi's plans for "America darshan" can be sacrificed without radioactive fallout. As for inconsistencies and selective application of visa policy -- Gerry Adams gets in, neo-Nazi Jorg Heider has visited to say nothing of the brutal dictator Mobutu Sese Seko or for that matter apartheid king P.W. Botha -- they are a consistent part of every country’s foreign policy. That is the least important reason to fulminate about. Yes, it is the same administration which doesn’t count the Iraqi civilians it kills (estimated at 100,000) in a war waged on fake grounds and doesn’t punish anyone senior for the torture and sadism at Abu Ghraib. But in Modi’s case, the Bush Administration’s cost and benefit analysis showed low cost and significant benefit. Even the price of forcing Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to defend a man as vile as Modi was deemed acceptable. Domestic constituencies, both Christian and Muslim, were far more important in the political calculus. But the Americans took the trouble to "explain" the denial of visa, a step they were not required to take. It is every country’s sovereign right to deny anyone a visa and governments do it all the time. The Bush Administration tried to soften the blow, saying the action was against one individual, not against India, or the BJP or the Gujarati community. That is precisely the point. I happened to be in Delhi when the news flashed about Modi and soon his grim and seething face was on every channel. He couldn’t believe a foreign government would do what his own hadn’t done. The BJP leadership was flummoxed by the action of an administration it had so ardently courted. Many secular Indians, who passionately oppose Modi, were also rattled. They thought revoking Modi’s existing visa was going too far. They saw it as an insult to India and a sign of typical American arrogance. Only the insensitive Americans would embarrass a well-liked prime minister. Besides, VisaGate would help Modi’s rehabilitation within the BJP and give the party another issue to rally around. An Indian diplomat, prefacing his reaction with "Modi is awful," said this was "interference" in India’s democracy because the man hasn’t been indicted. Another said the Americans had "used a hammer to swat a fly." Yet another said he was happy Modi was insulted -- a very small revenge for the huge crimes committed on his watch. Depending on how the BJP "plays" the issue, there may be repercussions but the episode is unlikely to seriously affect bilateral relations. India may inflict a minor wound in a different arena to prove it doesn’t appreciate Americans commenting on the state of its democracy. But UPA won’t expend political capital on a man like Modi. To get back to VisaGate. Modi’s past didn’t flash in official Washington’s eyes by itself. The Bush Administration was forced to face his history because of a relentless and effective campaign mounted by a coalition of secular Indians, academics, leftists, Indian Muslim and Christian groups.It was a varied alliance determined to put a full stop to Modi’s image makeover by American branches of the Sangh Parivar It called itself "Coalition Against Genocide" -- Modi must swallow hard for inspiring a name more associated with other countries and continents. CAG is surprised at its success and somewhat disappointed at not being able to "welcome" Modi with protests and placards of "Idi Amin of India." Taking a leaf out of the enemy’s stylebook, CAG was methodical and meticulous, just as the Sangh Parivar is abroad. It studied the many groups loosely associated with Overseas Friends of the BJP, found the same board members and office bearers popping up whether it was for charity or cheerleading for Modi. In fact, CAG discovered that a brand new organization was minted specially for Modi’s American odyssey -- Association of Indian Americans of North America -- with the same well-heeled doctors of New York/New Jersey area who had invited Modi for a "Gaurav Yatra" last year. Tactically, enlisting Congressmen Joseph Pitts of Pennsylvania, an evangelist with strong feelings about the persecution of Christians, may just have tipped the scales in their favour. It was easy to activate Pitts since he had first hand knowledge of Gujarat. He had been there on a private visit last year and never stopped talking about the persecution of Christians and Muslims. P.D. John who leads the Federation of Indian American Christian Organizations of North America (FIACONA) was walking the halls of the US Congress, reminding young staffers of Gujarat 2002 and the arson in the Dangs. Shaik Ubaid, a doctor from Hyderabad and president of the Indian Muslim Council, was actively involved. After Gujarat, he has been working to force issues of communal violence and gender justice into the dialogue with Indian officials. "It is not just investment that they should be interested in but also keeping India pluralistic and secular," he says. The coalition wisely maintained a distance from Pakistani, Bangladeshi and larger Arab Muslim groups to avoid being easily dismissed as a Pakistani front. During the demonstration at Madison Square garden on March 20 against a rally addressed by Modi via satellite, CAG ensured that their protest didn’t become a generalized free-for-all with posters on all causes from Kashmir to Iraq. The strategy was successful and the newly activated network of secular South Asians will surely challenge the Sangh Parivar in the battles ahead. The question is whether the coalition will or can work on larger US policy issues to force change

Posted by: utepian Mar 24 2005, 09:13 AM

QUOTE (Viren @ Mar 24 2005, 09:15 PM)
QUOTE (utepian @ Mar 23 2005, 06:22 PM)
Can there be a definite ruling from the highest court in India - based on a PIL perhaps - that happenings in Gujarat were not Genocide?
utpeian, Read http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/28arvind.htm where he's written about this exact issue.
So the UNDP did describe riots in Gujarat as "Genocide"? ohmy.gif And there has been no challenge from GOI past or present questioning the report? Even in the face of Darfur falling short of being called a Genocide? Question still remains, what does one do about it?

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 09:18 AM

Lavakare's article is dated July 28th '04 - about 2 months after UPA came into power. Not sure on exact date of UNDP report but he say's 'latest' so should be around June/July '04 timeframe I guess.

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 09:21 AM

Posted by user Cynic_Learner at Sulekha: So who wants Modi out ? An analysis.

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#1. Our self proclaimed 'secular' friends must realise that India is a democracy. In a democracy , people get voted to positions of power by the public. They will stay in power as long as the people of India want them to. Modi was elected to power. He will stay in power as long as the people of his state want him to. It doesn't matter what our anti-Modi activists , most of who are anti-India lefists/muslims think. #2. BJP under Modi won over 2/3rd of the seats in Gujarat State Assembly election held in 2002. They underperformed slightly in the Lok Sabha election of 2004 , winning 14 out of the 26 seats. Still , a proof that they enjoy the support of the overwhelming majority of the people of the state of Gujarat. #3.US to be honest couldn't care less about Modi or Sodi as long as they do not affect American interests. And Modi and the hindutva guys were if anything big supporters of US. US was only acting at the behest of left oriented Indian-American activists carying out the anti-Modi campaign , in alliance with Indian muslims and Indian leftist organisations. #4. So basically , the issue is with the Indian-Americans who try to impose their opinion on India. Now who are these people ? They belong to organisations such as the Indian Muslim Council , Sabrang , FOIL , AID , Kashmir Study Group - sort of people who complain about 'human rights violations commited by Indian security forces in Kashmir' , while ignoring the actions of the terrorists. These are people who want India to get out of Kashmir and even the North-East. They stand for the speedy dissolution of the Indian state. Proudly anti-Hindu in thought and anti-India in action , they are also apologists for Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism. #5. And these are the people who got the US to cancel Modi's visa. They have sought to impose their prejudices and personal biases on the Indian people. There in lies the problem. Today they get the US to act on their behest and take action against Modi on basis of his alleged culpability in a communal riot - which has not yet been proven in any court of law. Tomorrow , flush with their success in getting the State Department in US to bow to their wishes , they will try to increase the tempo and bring into global focus their pet causes. They will campaign against India for its alleged human rights violations in Kashmir and given a favorable administration in US , get the State Dept. to snub the Indian Prime Minister. Or ally with the anti-outsourcing , 'no-jobs-india' trade unions in US and get the US to impose trade sanctions on India. #6. Today they gloat on their websites about their success in getting the US to deny visa to a democratically elected Indian leader. What they won't tell you in their websites is that their's is an attempt to prove that their opinion carries more weight with the global community than the mandate of the Indian people. Getting the visa to Modi denied is their first success in their attempt to prove that if there is an elected representative of the Indian people who is not acceptable to them , they have power to reduce that representative to a persono-non-grata. So now you know who is in charge... #7. Again , who are these people? The anti-India Indians basically belong to 3 different idealogies but with a common cause , which is - Crush India. . . 1. The leftists. (those wanting to impose communist-marxist rule on India.) India has always had its share of Mir Jafars and Jai Chands. Thats nothing new . Historically most Indians sharing the leftists idealogy have always been anti-India. What have leftists done ? Came out in support of China when China attacked India in 1962. Taking cue from their desi comrades , the Indian diaspora vowing allegiance to the left apparently collected donations for the families of Chinese soldiers during the India-China war.....Mani Shankar Aiyer , a minister in India's government , a self-proclaimed 'secularist' and a favorite of India's muslims and leftists , is alleged to be one of those leftist Indian students in the Oxford University who collected funds for Chinese soldiers while the Indo-China war was going on. In the aftermath of the recent Tsunami in India, while the RSS activists were doing the sort of work nobody else was willing to do - arranging funerals for the thousands of bodies left in a decomposed state , the left leaning Indians living in US , affiliated to leftists NGOs like AID , ASHA , collected huge sums of $$$ from the innocent diaspora and diverted the money to maoist naxalites in various parts of India fighting the Indian nation ......So money meant for tsunami victims was used to buy AK-47s , RDX , IED , wireless communication systems , to assist the naxalites in their quest to defeat the Indian state , get rid of the democracy thing and impose their version of Mao-Marx Rajya. If they can do it in Nepal , why not in India ? 2. The Muslims (Those wanting to (re)- impose Islamic rule on India.) Long ago , muslim warriors from the west invaded India. They were brutal and ruthlessly efficient in their quest. They ended up ruling India for 800 odd years. A typical successful muslim victory over hindu soldiers was followed by mass torture and massacre of hindu male civilians of all ages , ransacking and looting of the property , and best of all , ravaging of the hindu women. Mass rapes and sexual slavery followed. This was followed by mass conversions to Islam. The Indian muslims of today are basically the progeny of these unions. British rule followed by the partition of India was a big blow to ego of the muslims of India. The same kufr elements who used to pay them a tax called jajiya , now ruled over them - using un-Islamic pretences such as 'democracy' and 'secularism'. But what to do ? While expressing their support for the 2-Nation Theory under the auspices of Shri.Jinnah in 1947 , the muslims of India were under the mistaken assumption that the majority of the country - stretching from Afghanistan in the west to Assam in the east , from Himalayas in the north to Mysore in the South , would fall in their laps , with only a few tit-bits to be given away to the kafeers. But that was not to be. But never mind. Those left over in India were left with little choice but to put to practise the famous taqiya system as prescribed in The Holy Quran..a detailed guideline on how a Believer should live in an environment where the Non-Believers or the Kufrs have the strength of numbers. Talk beautifully using lovely words about universal brotherhood , secularism , about ishwar allah tero naam , about how Islam is a Religion of Peace , how you condemn terrorism as it is anti-Islam , how terrorists have nothing to do with Islam and really are misguided souls .....WHILE...at all times , always , plotting and fighting for Jihad , working to weaken the kafeer and some day bring on the rule of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him - as they say) , after a due elimination of the Kufr elements . After all , idol worshiper really have no business to stay alive. Right ? 3. The Missionaries (Those wanting to harvest a billion souls.) Millions of dollars flow to Christian missionaries and Christian NGOs in India. The seriousness of this situation can be gauged by the fact that Christians run most of the 4000 NGOs in India and most of them are involved in misinformation and conversion activities. Christian fundamentalism with its funding from the United States, is orchestrated with enormous guile, secrecy, corporate skill, and is disintegrating India. This missionary activity is tied in with dubious social work. The Christian bigotry and colossal conversion efforts is destroying our nation. N-E is already ripe for disintegration. Christian missionaries are behind the terrorism in the North-East India. Southern Baptist Church in America is financed and created in 1989 the Christian equivalent of the Taliban, the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) for creating an independent Christian nation of Tripura. The National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN) is funded and armed by World Council of Churches. Nagaland has 40 missionary groups, 18 major Christian militant groups. Churches buy guns, such as AK47s and AK57s from Burma or Bangladesh. NSCN has ties with the ISI. Last week about 30 communal Christian MPs from across India met NSCN over dinner at a hotel in New Delhi to offer their support for `Nagaland for Christ`. #8.There is a great deal of interaction among the 3 groups discussed above.Often they find it convenient to suitably co-ordinate activities with each other. Denial of visa to their common and powerful enemy Shri. Narendra Modi , the Chief Minister of Gujarat , is a result of such a combined operation.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 09:25 AM

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The coalition wisely maintained a distance from Pakistani, Bangladeshi and larger Arab Muslim groups to avoid being easily dismissed as a Pakistani front. During the demonstration at Madison Square garden on March 20 against a rally addressed by Modi via satellite, CAG ensured that their protest didn’t become a generalized free-for-all with posters on all causes from Kashmir to Iraq.
- It has been established beyond any doubt that this is a pakistani front. Pitts/Conyers are pakistani chamchas. One is a joint member of both Indian and TSP caucus the other is unabashedly paki. pitts also belongs to kashmir forum (founder member?) headed by fai. - The trip that was arranged for Pitts and his cohorts was arranged by Puki pigs front. I forget the name. - when he is not involved in modi affair pitts involves himself in India-bashing whenever he can lecturing India on human-rights etc. I dont think he has ever gone to a christian country. Only xtian rights concern him the rest is all for showbaaji to insult heathens. So dont even say this was an Indian operation. This was funded and carried out by pukes and aided by other assorted anti-India Vibhishanas.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 09:36 AM

While that is a good analysis by Cynic_Learner from Sulekha one has to peel the layers to see the funding of this operation. This has been a meticulous operation aimed at degrading India-US relations and denigrating the Gujarati and ultimately the Indian population. The funding for pitts for his 'tours' was carried out by 2 organisations.. 1. Inayat Begum Foundation 2. Jubilee Campaign None of these 2 are Indian.

Posted by: aruni Mar 24 2005, 09:40 AM

Inayat Begum Foundation is a not-for-profit organization registered in Pitts state of PA. It's operated by Maj Nisar Gunham (ex-soldier in Pakistan Army) father of Umar Ahmad Ghuman (PML-QA from NA-112) current MP in Pakistan. Umar Ahmad Ghuman holds dual nationality but Pakistani laws were changed in 2002 (long before current ex-Citibank Ex-current PM) to accomodate Umar into the Parliament. That's how high Ghuman's go.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 09:44 AM

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Inayat Begum Foundation is a not-for-profit organization registered in Pitts state of PA. It's operated by Maj Nisar Gunham (ex-soldier in Pakistan Army) father of Umar Ahmad Ghuman (PML-QA from NA-112) current MP in Pakistan. Umar Ahmad Ghuman holds dual nationality but Pakistani laws were changed in 2002 (long before current ex-Citibank Ex-current PM) to accomodate Umar into the Parliament. That's how high Ghuman's go.
Thanks Aruni. Thats what I am saying - the idiots who are gloating that this was a secular India operation have got it all wrong - this was through and through a subversionist attack from the pukes. And those who gloat over this, well i f*(k.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 10:26 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5983_1293154,004300140002.htm

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This isn't about Modi! Binay Kumar California, March 24, 2005 Not even a week has passed since we expressed optimism in this column on the eve of Condoleezza Rice's visit to New Delhi that things were at last looking up for India's checkered relationship with America. We had hoped that her stewardship of the State Department would finally herald new beginnings for Indo-US relations long dogged by mutual distrust and acrimony. Could I have been more wrong? Not really. Even before the euphoria over her visit died down, the US Embassy in India announced that the application for grant of a diplomatic visa to the current Chief Minister of Gujarat had been denied by the American Government and (as if that was not enough) they had also chosen to revoke a business visa that was already issued to him. I am not even going to name the individual in the eye of the storm. That the Chief Minister in question happens to be Narendra Modi is only incidental to our discussion. It is very important that we separate the private individual and the politician from the constitutional authority (duly elected by a democratic process of law) which has been shown disrespect and unprecedented discourtesy at the hands of a friendly nation with whom India maintains diplomatic ties. This issue is not about Narendra Modi and his record as a politician. My regret is that the American action has forced many of us who are his fiercest critics otherwise to take a position which is seen as rallying behind Modi. This confusion has also led to the slipshod response of the Indian government which should have been actually incensed at this unfriendly act. Usual conduct of diplomatic relations between two civilized states demands that India's protest should have been registered by using the strongest possible words and matching actions to condemn the American decision. Nothing of the sort happened. A prime minister whose undoubted decency can only be matched by the lack of his authority over the government that he presides informs the Parliament that his government had pressed Washington to reconsider the matter. Two days later he is informed of Washington's intransigence which he has no choice but to publicly regret in the feeblest of protest ever registered in the history of diplomacy. In fact, it shames us no end to read in a section of the press that "apparently Sonia Gandhi and her Government were happy at the decision". The American action is wrong on several counts. First of all, a diplomatic visa is not issued to a private individual; it is a reciprocal courtesy enjoyed by countries who maintain diplomatic relations. Modi did not apply in his individual capacity as a RSS pracharak or a BJP activist. The visa would have been issued to a Chief Minister whose authority in the state apparatus is the same that any Governor enjoys in a US State. Secondly, diplomacy demands sensitivity to each others laws as codified/sanctified by a recognized constitution. In this case, Modi's Chief Ministership is not at the pleasure of a political party. He enjoys the mandate of the people and his position is duly sanctified by India's constitution. Denial of a visa to him is not an indictment of his record but a slur on India's political process which in terms of maturity doesn't need any foreign endorsement. Thirdly, this also smacks of interference in the internal affairs of a so-called friendly state namely India. Manmohan Singh stopped short of calling it such but his statement to the Rajya Sabha alluded to the same when he said, "while we respect their sovereign right to grant or refuse visas to any person, we do not believe that it is appropriate to use allegations or anything less than due process to make a subjective judgment to question a constitutional authority in India". Fourthly, the Modi episode has once again demonstrated American penchant for double standards in the conduct of foreign policy. Washington is not as concerned about religious freedoms in other countries, including Iraq, and one of its closest allies, Saudi Arabia, which denies its people religious freedom as a matter of course and public policy. And finally this sets a very dangerous precedent. Theoretically speaking, today's Chief Minister in Gujarat can be tomorrow's India's Prime Minister. If that is what the people of India in their wisdom decide, who on earth has the right to question their judgment. Surely, not a foreign power, friendly or otherwise. If you look at the charge being leveled against him by the US Administration to deny the visa, many elected officials from many western democracies including the United States may not fare better than Modi because the use of religion as a means of electoral vote bank politics is hardly Modi's monopoly. The idea that sizable electoral gains can be had with a prayer here and a biblical quotation there is not a fantasy; it was the bulwark of many electoral campaigns which brought rich dividends. As one senior Indian citizen told me the other day, people who live in glass houses do not throw stones at others. This is how BBC's website profiles Modi, "Few politicians have done so much to polarise Indian public opinion in recent years as Gujarat's Chief Minister Narendra Modi." Fair enough…who all can you think of from Western democracies whose claims to fame rest purely on their ability to polarize the electorate? Surely, India can not use this to deny visas to them for it would jeopardize many forthcoming state visits! Above all, the American decision lacks finesse because it would only help achieve for Modi 'martyrdom' which he would never have got in India's secular polity. I have always had words of admiration for the British when it comes to diplomacy (and democracy). Not too long ago they were faced with a similar dilemma when Modi visited London in the August of 2003, close on the heels of the Gujarat riots. Pressed to deny him entry into the United Kingdom, this is what the British Government spokesman had to say, "We do understand the concerns expressed but there were no appropriate grounds to refuse Mr Modi a visa." Perhaps Mr Blair can teach the Americans a lesson or two!

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 24 2005, 10:44 AM

Dailypioneer Shias up in arms after US does a Modi on Sadiq Subodh Ghildiyal/Siddharth Kalhans/ New Delhi/Lucknow Shia community in India is up in arms against the treatment meted out to cleric Kalbe Sadiq by the United States of America. Conspiracy theories are back in the currency against the US and anti-US sentiment has resurfaced after the lull following the attack on Iraq. A much-respected cleric, Sadiq was turned back from Chicago airport on March 17 and had to return to the United Kingdom. Sadiq was on an invitation from the Shia Assocation for a religious Moharram congregation. Kalbe Sadiq is on his annual three-month trip to Gulf-UK-US where he is welcomed to address the `majlis'. This is not an isolated incident as the Shias are drawing a pattern after two more scholars were denied entry by the US in March, the month of Moharram. Maulana Safi Haider of Tanzimul Makatib Madrasa (group of 1000 madrasas) was barred entry earlier in March by the US. Another scholar Maulana Qazi Askari of Delhi was reportedly "humiliated and turned back" by the US in March. The community leaders said the American Shia Association had registered its protest with the White House and demanded an apology from President Bush. With the news trickling down, anti-US sentiments, too, have begun to spread in the city of Lucknow which has a five-lakh strong Shia community. Posters and pamphlets protesting the treatment meted out to the religious leader were distributed in the Shia-dominated localities of Kazmain, Pull Ghulam Hussain and Dargah Hazrat Abbas. It is believed that Maulana Kalbe Jawwad, another respected Shia cleric and Imam-e-Juma, may speak on the issue to the community in the Majlis after the Friday prayers in Imambara tomorrow. The `majlis', the community leader said, may see good attendance. Speaking to The Pioneer, Kalbe Sibtain, Sadiq's son, said his father had a valid visa but was barred entry at the Chicago airport without any reason. "He told us that he had been quoted Article 235 (b) of some law of the country," he said. Sadiq has been visiting the US for the last three decades as a preacher. "He has never had any problem. It has all changed after September 11, we think," said Sibtain, adding, "He was shocked but said we should not raise a hue and cry about it." However, the issue has already acquired sharp anti-US overtones. Kalbe Jawwad blamed the ill-treatment meted out to Sadiq on US attempts to drive a wedge between Muslims in general (Sadiq is opposed to a separate Shia Board and is vice-president of All India Muslim Personal Law Board) and the Shia community in particular. He blamed the recent formation of a separate Shia Board as against the AIMPLB umbrella on the "evil" US designs. "The new board was formed on US directions and the people responsible are presently enjoying their stay in America," said Maulana Jawaad. Incidentally, Maulana Atthar, who heads the newly-formed Shia Board, and other office-bearers are on a tour to the US. "Those who are touring US for 30 years are denied entry and those who have never done so are given fresh visas. The gameplan is clear," said Jawwad. Jawwad's line of argument has led to competitive anti-Americanism. Debunking the accusation that his father was an American stooge, Atthar's son Maulana Yasoob Abbas speculated that the root of the ill-treatment to Sadiq could lay in the anti-US stance he adopted during and after the attack on Iraq. "There were strong protests in Lucknow and entry of Americans to Shia monuments was barred. Sadiq had also participated in a pro-Saddam rally organised in Ramlila Maidan in Delhi in June 2004," he said, adding that this was the first Moharram after the protest rally.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 24 2005, 10:59 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1293749,000900040003.htm Modi invites Bush to visit Gujarat Indo-Asian News Service Gandhinagar, March 24, 2005|23:06 IST Days after he was refused a visa to visit the US, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Thursday invited President George W Bush and Florida Governor to visit his state. Addressing the inaugural meeting of a convention of the Asian-American Hotel Owners' Association (AAHOA) in the US through video-conferencing, Modi asked them to come and see the culture of Gujarat. The US had last week denied a visa to Modi, citing his role in Gujarat's sectarian violence in 2002. Modi was then set for a six-day visit to the US to address a public meeting in New Jersey and to attend the AAHOA's convention in Florida. Modi addressed the New Jersey public meet over a webcast on Monday morning. On Thursday, he also invited AAHOA members to visit Gujarat and invest in its economy.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 24 2005, 11:11 AM

http://planetguru.com/Articles/ArticleDetail.aspx?ChannelId=Biz&ArticleId=12187 But the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) has made it clear that it will nevertheless go ahead with its programme. Five major sponsors of the convention have walked out. They include American Express, Hilton, Choice Hotels, Cendant Corporation and Comcast. However, the other 400 plus vendors are still part of the trade exhibition that goes with the convention. ---- I am personally going to switch from Comcast in protest of this Call comcast and tell them why you are switching -------- Sponsors withdraw from hotel owners' convention Print this page Email this page New York, March 24: With the US refusing to give a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, major sponsors have withdrawn from a convention where his address will be telecast via satellite. But the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) has made it clear that it will nevertheless go ahead with its programme. Five major sponsors of the convention have walked out. They include American Express, Hilton, Choice Hotels, Cendant Corporation and Comcast. Most significant of all was the withdrawal of Mike Levine, founder and CEO of US Franchise Services, who was instrumental in the founding of AAHOA back in 1989. However, the other 400 plus vendors are still part of the trade exhibition that goes with the convention. The US announced last week that it was revoking Modi's business and tourist visa and not issuing him a diplomatic visa either because of his perceived complicity in the communal violence that gripped Gujarat in 2002. Mukesh Mowji, current secretary and incoming vice chairman of AAHOA, said the AAHOA board had decided to continue with the convention as planned and telecast Modi's address via satellite Thursday. "Our board, by a vote of 29 to 0, decided that we will go on," Mowji told IANS. A majority of AAHOA's 8,000 members have land and businesses in Gujarat, he said. "We don't agree with our government's decision to deny Chief Minister Modi the visa. But we have to accept it. "However, in denying Modi the visa, we feel the government is denying our members the benefit of having him here. "Over the past couple of years, we have invested a lot of business in Gujarat. So we had made the conscious decision to invite the chief minister to speak about improvements made and the services offered to AAHOA. "The Gujarat government had said to us, 'We want to offer the red carpet and not the red tape'," Mowji recounted. Following the board's decision and the sponsors withdrawing, Mowji indicated the apron strings tied to sponsors would have gone some time or other. "Whether the decision was made today or in the future, at some point we have to be independent of those kinds of pressures," he contended. "Our role is to protect our membership, provide benefits, and advocate. In making this go through we are definitely providing benefits." Asked if a Gujarat government official could have provided the same information that Modi could have, Mowji said: "That's an interesting argument, but if you have the opportunity to speak to the CEO over the manager, who would you choose?" He said even if AAHOA had to downsize its convention, it would do that rather than be subservient to sponsors. "Our independence is very important to us. Even on the 1st night registration has already reached 1,600. This might still be a record-breaking convention." Mowji went on: "We respect anyone's decision to withdraw. Over time, we have to rebuild the bridges because we are partners. Our lives revolve around this industry. They need us and we need them."

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 11:21 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1293899,000900040003.htm

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Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has called off his visit to the United Kingdom owing to security reasons, official sources said on Thursday night. Modi was scheduled to leave for London from Ahmedabad on Friday morning. He was scheduled to address a gathering of Gujarati community on the occasion of Gujarat Diwas on March 26. Modi will address the media on Friday on this issue

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 11:24 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1293749,000900040003.htm biggrin.gif

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Days after he was refused a visa to visit the US, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Thursday invited President George W Bush and Florida Governor to visit his state. Addressing the inaugural meeting of a convention of the Asian-American Hotel Owners' Association (AAHOA) in the US through video-conferencing, Modi asked them to come and see the culture of Gujarat. The US had last week denied a visa to Modi, citing his role in Gujarat's sectarian violence in 2002. Modi was then set for a six-day visit to the US to address a public meeting in New Jersey and to attend the AAHOA's

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 11:36 AM

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1293899,000900040003.htm
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Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has called off his visit to the United Kingdom owing to security reasons, official sources said on Thursday night. Modi was scheduled to leave for London from Ahmedabad on Friday morning. He was scheduled to address a gathering of Gujarati community on the occasion of Gujarat Diwas on March 26. Modi will address the media on Friday on this issue
Islamic Republic of Londonistan is a reality.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 11:48 AM

I think GOI or Govt of Gujarat should make a statement that there are security issues in going to UK. That would be really cute.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 24 2005, 12:00 PM

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"Our board, by a vote of 29 to 0, decided that we will go on," Mowji told IANS. A majority of AAHOA's 8,000 members have land and businesses in Gujarat, he said. ... Following the board's decision and the sponsors withdrawing, Mowji indicated the apron strings tied to sponsors would have gone some time or other. "Whether the decision was made today or in the future, at some point we have to be independent of those kinds of pressures," he contended. "Our role is to protect our membership, provide benefits, and advocate. In making this go through we are definitely providing benefits." .... He said even if AAHOA had to downsize its convention, it would do that rather than be subservient to sponsors. "Our independence is very important to us. Even on the 1st night registration has already reached 1,600. This might still be a record-breaking convention." Mowji went on: "We respect anyone's decision to withdraw. Over time, we have to rebuild the bridges because we are partners. Our lives revolve around this industry. They need us and we need them."
I am so happy to see this. Finally, some firm spine from the business community. Its been a loooooong time coming. I remember standing up at a post-911 emergency meeting of the Atlanta desi-Amreeki Chamber of Commerce and telling them that I grieve for the victims on 9/11 JUST AS MUCH as I grieve for the 60,000 of my fellow-citizens killed by terrorism in J&K. The sniveling sh1ts didn't want to say anything of the sort. "no no, we don't want to make any waves.." After that, some visiting Guj people came up to me and said: "Aap hi sach bolte hai". For the record, folks, if u have a chance, Marriott is better than Hilton and cheaper, and Microtel beats the heck out of Choice Hotels (Comfort Inn, Quality Inn, Sleep Inn) and Hampton Inns. Low cost, friendly smiles, super rooms and great breakfast. Best thing is a window ledge where u can sit and read if u have time. I don't see why its a big deal that these has-beens like Amex and Hilton shoot themselves in the musharraf. Good riddance. I cut up my Amex business card last year. Now we have one for which I don't pay a cent. Won't be using it much, I guess.

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 12:06 PM

I think Mowji is basically telling what Pres Johnson told Gen Ayub - "You have the right to bad mouth me and I have the right to NOT help you" wink.gif My Amex is up for renewal this month end guitar.gif

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 24 2005, 12:20 PM

Viren Call them and tell them why you are cancelling it

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 12:46 PM

Absolutely GS. Have already cashed out the frequent flyer miles quitely earlier this week wink.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 01:30 PM

http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/24modi3.htm

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Modi invites Florida governor to Gujarat March 25, 2005 01:08 IST Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, who was denied visa by the US, on Thursday invited Florida Governor to visit Gujarat. "Gujarat will make efforts to welcome him and show what love and hospitality means," Modi said in an address via satellite to the Asian-American Hotel Owners' Association convention at Fort Lauderdale in Florida. On March 20, he had addressed the Indian-American community at Madison Square Garden, New Jersey, from Gandhinagar via satellite after the US denied him diplomatic visa for his government's role in the post-Godhra riots. "I am able to speak to you (AAHOA) not just because of technology but because of your association's determination to uphold democratic values and because of your ability to ignore motivated propaganda", he said.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 01:39 PM

Pretty soon "God save the Queen" will be replaced with "Nara-e-Takbeer Allah-u-Akbar" http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1062007.cms

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Threat to Modi's life in UK, trip called off NEW DELHI/AHMEDABAD: Following a call from PM Manmohan Singh on Thursday night, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi cancelled his proposed UK trip. Modi, who has been in the eye of a storm following denial of visa to him by the US, was scheduled to attend the 'Gujarat Day' function at London's Royal Albert Hall on March 26. He was to fly to London on Friday afternoon from Mumbai. Official sources in New Delhi said the PM called Modi at 10 pm and advised him to cancel the trip in view of intelligence reports from Central agencies that there was a specific threat to his life from the Dawood Ibrahim gang and jehadi groups, including Al-Qaida affiliates. Several radical Islamic groups are known to have a strong presence in the UK. When Modi showed reluctance to cancel the trip, the PM, according to the sources, told him that if he went ahead, not only his own life would be in danger but also the consequences for the nation could be grave. Modi finally relented. In a short span of half an hour, the CM received calls from three Union government functionaries, advising him to cancel the visit. The first to call him was home secretary Dhirendra Singh. When he showed reluctance to heed the home secretary's advice, home minister Shivraj Patil called him. But in vain. Meanwhile, Modi held consultations with top leaders of his party, who reportedly told him that in a federal polity, the Centre's advice cannot be ignored. The final decision to cancel Narendra Modi's visit to UK was taken after a call from the PM. Modi is reported to have told him: "If you are advising me not to go, I'll not go."

Posted by: narayanan Mar 24 2005, 01:40 PM

The man has what our Jewish friends call "chutzpah" . And I think excellent speechwriters and Oracle Operators to get that satellite hookup. Now he gets the PM and Home Minister etc. etc. to call and beg him not to go to UK - and gets to blame that on the terrorists, though there was evidently a small vertebra-shortage being exhibited by his would-be British desi hosts. tv_feliz.gif Cool. Reminds me of Veera Pandya Kattobomman being entreated by spouse not to go to face the UK terrorists:

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Pokathe, pokoathe! En kanava! Pollatha swapnangal naanum kandeen!
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Posted by: utepian Mar 24 2005, 01:45 PM

You know I never imagined the State Department would have taken some of the luminaries protesting Modi entry to the US seriously. Angana Chatterji specially. But I was surprised for the second time. The first time I was taken aback was when I was informed that Angana was acting as a "consultant" to the US consulate in Chennai. She was hired to assist the US making policy decisions on religious freedom in the aftermath of Jayalalitha passing the anti-conversion bill. Well more importantly I believed Angana would have actually been on a US terror watch list because of her deep ideological affiliations. These affiliations were too deep for any competent authority to ignore. Presented is a research I had followed in Oct 2003. The research weaves a complex web of communists, radicals, conservationists, NGOs, missionaries, Islamists and academicians, all united in one single cause - defeat democracies. Modi baiters must be seen in this light. This is not only dangerous for India but also for America. 1. Angana Chatterji as most of you know is vocal about Iraq. In fact she is a leading activist for "Not in our name" (NION). US in Iraq: Not in Our Name http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Chatterji_Iraq.htm This also appered as Op-ed, The Asian Age, Daily Newspaper, New Delhi, October 13, 2002 Google, other references are also available. 2. However, Not In Our Name is deeper than mere academic babblers and limosuine liberals. It has a cemented bona-fide relationship with radical organizations like Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP). The RCP is an organization that wants to replace the democratically elected government of the United States of America with a Communist dictatorship. RCP further connects itself with American Muslim Council (AMC). The RCP fosters worldwide revolution through its membership in the Revolutionary International Movement (RIM). ***Critical article*** Not In Our Name and the World Wide Terrorism Web - By Michael Tremoglie FrontPageMagazine.com March 19, 2003 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=6722 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3676 3. B. Raman in the following paper believes the Peoples War Group (CPI -ML-PWG) is also a constituent unit of RIM. "The RIM, which is believed to be based in the USA (Berkeley, California ?), was formed in 1984 by some Marxist students from Peru, Nepal, India, the USA and other countries studying in the USA." http://www.saag.org/papers9/paper809.html RIM website: http://rwor.org/s/corim.htm 4. Also from (2) NION does not collect donations. Donors actually donate to Interreligous Foundation for Community Organization (IFCO) which in turn provides money to NION. 5. IFCO is nothing but Pastors for Peace under the stewardship of Rev. Lucius Walker, Jr. http://www.cubasolidarity.net/pastors.html 6. Pastors for Peace receives donations from Arca Foundation which according to scholar Irving Louis Horowitz is a "highly pro-Castro and partisan," grant-giving agency. ***Critical Article*** PASTORS FOR CASTRO http://www.autentico.org/oa09252.html 7. Among hundreds of projects that ARCA supports with generous donations is Earth Island Institute. 8. Earth Island Institute declares: "Earth Island's Project Network consists of more than 30 projects worldwide. Through innovative education and activist campaigns, we are addressing many of the most pressing social and environmental issues" Among the officers and executives of the Earth Island Institute is Ms Angana P. Chatterji. http://www.capitalresearch.org/search/orgdisplay.asp?Org=EII100 She is on the board of directors of the International Rivers Network, Earth Island Institute, and has served on the board of Community Forestry International. http://www.ciis.edu/faculty/chatterji.html 9. Under the pretext and funding of Earth Island Institute, Ms Angana Chatterji makes boat trips on the Narmada (perhaps every year, but as late as aug 2003) and uses it as a platform to blast Modi government and "Hindutva". "This is another indication of mistreatment in Modi's Gujarat", said Angana Chatterji, "where the state actively supports in the intimidation of the innocent, violence against minorities and adivasis, Hindutva extremism and mal-development". Solidarity Team to Narmada Valley Harassed by Gujarat Police http://www.narmada.org/nba-press-releases/august-2003/harassment.html State Repression in the Narmada Valley http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles7/Chatterji_Narmada-Repression.htm You ask about the funding of Angana and her friends. I'd say they are loaded. In the link http://www.capitalresearch.org/search/orgdisplay.asp?Org=EII100 The earth Island Institute has been getting about a Million dollars every year (97-02). Its ideological rating is 1 which is "Far Left" as opposed to "Market Right" on the other end of the spectrum. The transperency rating for this org has been removed since I had first researched. But at that time it was a 3. Not a very transparent dealing I'd say. (I'd request others to check for the latest rating) You'd wonder why the transparency was low. Could spending money on ideological ego trips be the reason? See, Angana Chatterji made boat trips on the Narmada in 2002- 2003. But for that year 2002, Earth Island had not even budgeted for Narmada you see! http://www.earthisland.org/reports/2002AnnualReport.pdf

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 01:53 PM

Whoa utepian omg.gif That's dynamite.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 02:06 PM

ohmy.gif She should honor "No fly list". I think homeland security is sleeping.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 02:16 PM

i am s-p-e-e-c-h-l-e-s-s.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 02:21 PM

http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?fromtimeline=true&id=70451&callid=1&template=modivisaissue

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Thursday, March 24, 2005 (New Delhi): Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's statement criticising the US decision to deny Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi a visa has opened up divisions within the Congress. Congress working committee member, Waseem Ahmed, today demanded that a CWC meeting be called to clarify the party's stand on Modi. "My view is that the government's statement should be discussed among UPA members and a consensus should be arrived at on the issue," said Ahmed

Posted by: utepian Mar 24 2005, 02:24 PM

Gootyji, you had earlier talked of a graphical representation of connecting various dots. For more readers to see and understand easily, something like that will be nice to have. This completes the entire circle as follows Angana-->NION-->RCP-->RIM-->PWG -->IFCO-->PFP-->ARCA-->EI-->Angana

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 02:27 PM

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Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's statement criticising the US decision to deny Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi a visa has opened up divisions within the Congress.
Divisions always existed, our PM ji's just waking up to it. For example, George Abharam, the General Secretary of Congress' overseas branch had teamed up with likes of Angana Chaterji and was bombarding every known fax machine and email in-box west of Atlantic with 'ban Modi' message. PM ji probabily just wasn't in the loop on this, remember Jarkahand?

Posted by: Sudhir Mar 24 2005, 03:12 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1061782.cms

Posted by: Sudhir Mar 24 2005, 03:14 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1057455.cms Is Dandi in Gujarat?

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 03:23 PM

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1061782.cms
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Hindu Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment
Who are these people ???

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 24 2005, 03:25 PM

strognly suggest that utepian's post be included in Mudy's blog or seperately so that it surfaces in google searches

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (Sudhir @ Mar 24 2005, 03:14 PM)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1057455.cms Is Dandi in Gujarat?
Yes, south gujarat near surat IIRC.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 03:27 PM

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Hindu Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment
Leftist and xitians hijacked this group 5-6 years back. bharathpremi, Done.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 03:27 PM

Utepian, interested in doing an article on this ? If so please contact any of the mods via PM.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (Mudy @ Mar 24 2005, 03:27 PM)
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Hindu Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment
Leftist and xitians hijacked this group 5-6 years back.
Where is it ? Tristate area ? More details ?

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 24 2005, 03:37 PM

East lansing MI, google for Poddar, you will see a whole list of other org. names too

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 03:52 PM

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Where is it ? Tristate area ? More details ?
According to my source Its two person show, one got married to xitian and other is Bania (Gujju/Raj) who is confused formed a group. Now attach with Xitians and FOIL. Very simple formula, which works for releasing statements. You should know majority of them are one or two person group and they are member of each other group. E.g Coalition against Anti India Groups, India's Hall of Shame and other liked minded groups. More propaganda site more attention they get for respective cause. Another group is under formation- Coalition against Anti-India Scholars. Lots of like minded people are joining this group, I just heard.

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 03:55 PM

Look at the list:

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The signatories to the letter include representatives of organisations such as Hindu Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment, Federation of Indian American Christian Organisations of North America (FIACONA), Sikh American Heritage Organisation (SAHO), Coalition for a Secular and Democratic India (CSDI), NRIs for Secular and Harmonious India (NRISAHI), Indian Christian Forum (ICF), Supporters of Human Rights in India (SHRI) and International South Asia Forum
Folks, all it takes is about $500 to register a business or corporation. Don't be surprised if officer in one is president in another and seceratry in third. Then they write articles each referencing anothers article and after recycling around a bit, lo and behold it becomes the gospel (pardon the pun) truth. See the parallels with IDRF attacks?

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 24 2005, 03:58 PM

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=poddar+east+lansing&btnG=Google+Search International Rivers Network: South Asia ... Shrikumar Poddar, India Foundation, East Lansing, Michigan. Coalition Against Communalism ... Shrikumar, Mayurika & Devesh Poddar, East Lansing, Michigan Promise of India: Appeal Signatures ... East Lansing, MI, United States, 04-Oct-2003. Mr. Shrikumar Poddar International Service Society East Lansing, BHARTIYA TEMPLE OF ... Poddar Shrikumar & Mayurika. NBA PRESS RELEASE: 15th November 2000 ... Boston, Massachusetts; Bill Walker, Environmental Working Group, Oakland, California; Shrikumar Poddar, India Foundation, East Lansing SPEAKER PROFILES ... Mr Shrikumar Poddar is an Acharya of Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment, ... While he was a student at Michigan State University, East Lansing, ... www.imc-usa.org/convention2004/speakers.htm http://www.indiapolicy.org/lists/india_policy/2001/Mar/msg00068.html there's a gentleman by the name of Shri Kumar Poddar - he is arguably the first major Indian enterprenuer in the US - he is the one who has pioneered the magazine subscription schemes on American University campuses, some 30 years back. He works out of East Lansing, Michigan. He is a much better source on the criminality of our babus and netas and the sophisticated financial scams they indulge in. http://www.onlinevolunteers.org/gujarat/events/sadbhavana2.htm Mr. Shrikumar Poddar, Okemos, Michigan – Acharya of Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment, Publisher, Seva International a Gandhian Trusteeship Business, President, International Service Society, India Foundation, Emergency Relief Fund for Bangladesh 1971 -72, Americans for Peace 1968-70, JP Movement 1974-1975, Global Organization of People of Indian Origin, National Finance Chairman, McCarthy for President 1976 Independent, Advisor to (1) McCarthy for President 1968 & 1972 (Democrat) (2) McGovern for President 1972 (Democrat) (3) McCloskey for President 1972 (Republican) (4) Benjamin Spock for President 1972 (People´s Party), Founder (1) Bharatiya Temple of Lansing (2) Bharatiya Educational Foundation, (3) Indians for Democracy 1975-77, (4) Self Transformation Network for A Just World, (5) Nayi Azadi Andolan, (6) India Unity Group (7) NRI´s for Secular & Harmonious India, Play Author Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, Swami Vivekananda, Acharya Vinoba, India of My Dreams, Victory To The World, Gandhian Vision for 21st Century, Life of Sri Ram, Life of Sri Krishna, Making A World of Our Dreams. All the later organization have become smart, none ofthe websites give volunteers llist or co-ordinators list, all they have is PO box. check ektaonline, CoalitionAgainstCommunalism. But you can figure out that they are same bunch , depending on where the website is hosted , either *.insaf.net or some other names(I'll update later)

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 04:03 PM

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Folks, all it takes is about $500 to register a business or corporation
No need for registration. Who is going to check whether it is registered or not for press release? Registration is required for retirement plan Getup in morning and think some interesting name and start releasing statement, Times of India will print if you know some XYZ.

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 04:06 PM

http://www.india-forum.com/Columns/Narayanan_Komerath/The_Lashkar-e-Pinocchio_Rides_Again/26/

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The Lansing Circle Now lets see a curious circle of events and facts. In November 2002, Dan Pero of Lansing, Michigan based Sterling International Consulting announced that Musharraf’s dictatorship was giving his firm $55000 / month to “cleanse the news about Pakistan” [34]. A web link on this story says:
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"The PR firm is to find Pakistani-Americans willing to speak out on behalf of Pakistan. Those 'message surrogates' will be given talking points and media training by SICC."
Well, they certainly seem to have done so. We can all see a huge increase in the wealth available to the anti-India campaign, with all the “Kashmir Conference” and “Beyond the Blame Game” ISI propaganda, plus all the free access to the Pakistani media for FOIL/FOSA luminaries. Ms. Nirmala Deshpande now visits US for the first time -- and is painted as THE leading expert on Gandhiji -- who died when she was barely eighteen. She made a couple of visits to Pakistan in the recent past. The chief sponsor of her tour is Lansing Michigan based "Non-Resident Indians for a Secular and Harmonious India -- (NRI-SAHI)" [35] NRI-SAHI shares web space with (surprise!) Akhila Raman -- Shalini Gera sponsored Ektaonline.[36] Ms. Gera is a co-author of the infantile “91-page Report Produced from 5 years of Meticulous Research”. NRI-SAHI is also an avatar of Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment, which happens to be based in -- you guessed it -- East Lansing, Michigan. The Center is in the forefront of many activities/mailing lists which are circulated by Raman, Dr. Angana Chatterji and Kawaja. For example, they protested visits to the U.S. by (elected) Indian leaders but of course remained speechless during Gen. Musharraf's visit to Camp David. Sterling International provides a wide array of speakers for all occasions.[37] Among its featured speakers is Arun Gandhi, grandson of the Mahatma and a close associate of Ms. Nirmala Deshpande. Mr. Kaleem Kawaja of the blatantly sectarian IMC is an ardent defender of the Taliban and General Musharraf in articles and letters to the media. But he nowwants us to believe that he is a “Secular and Harmonious Indian” and tough critic of the Indian Muslim community. He is the chief coordinator of Deshpande's tour.

Posted by: utepian Mar 24 2005, 04:08 PM

The Vaishnava center guys and NRI-SAHI are the same, led by Poddar. Coalition Against Genocide has been screaming from rooftops that it is a coalition of some 40 orgs, many of them Hindu. This is complete BS. It is all one. A core group of about 40 individuals (max) morph into one another. Read N3K's http://www.india-forum.com/Columns/Narayanan_Komerath/The_Lashkar-e-Pinocchio_Rides_Again/26/. The relevant passages are under The Lansing Circle Removed dual posting.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 04:16 PM

What happened to actual Vaishnava center founders?

Posted by: Kumar Mar 24 2005, 04:17 PM

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Can there be a definite ruling from the highest court in India - based on a PIL perhaps - that happenings in Gujarat were not Genocide?
utpeian, Read http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/28arvind.htm where he's written about this exact issue.
So the UNDP did describe riots in Gujarat as "Genocide"? ohmy.gif And there has been no challenge from GOI past or present questioning the report? Even in the face of Darfur falling short of being called a Genocide? Question still remains, what does one do about it?
Muslim Definition: When a non-muslim kills a muslim, I am talking about a muslim who was hell bent on killing and destroying others, the process is called GENOCIDE. For the correct definition see below: Main Entry: geno·cide Pronunciation: 'je-n&-"sId Function: noun : the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group - geno·cid·al /"je-n&-'sI-d&l/ adjective Now, how in this world Gujarat can be called a Genocide? In Gujarat riots, Hindus and Muslims both were killed. Calling Gjurat riots a Genocide is dishonesty at its best.

Posted by: AJay Mar 24 2005, 04:26 PM

QUOTE (Viren @ Mar 25 2005, 12:36 AM)
My Amex is up for renewal this month end guitar.gif
This morning somebody from MBNA called offering some thing or other in partnership with AmEx. I shooed her off after telling her that I do not like their partner due to their Hinduphobia. She started saying that "we are only partners" etc. I just hung up on her. I do have AmEx Blue card which AmEx begged me to take. I never use it. So, I am going to call them and let them know that I am cutting it.

Posted by: utepian Mar 24 2005, 04:55 PM

This is a http://cac.ektaonline.org/resources/publications/gujarat/gujad.pdf was sent to the Indian Express Group and appeared in 25 cities in Indian Express, Sunday Express and New Indian Express on May 5th 2002; Financial Express (incl Gujarati) on May 6th; Loksatta (Marathi), Jansatta(Hindi), Dinamani (Tamil), Kannada Prabha, Andhra Prabha, and Samkaleen (Gujarati) on May 12th. Indian Express estimates a circulation of 14 lakhs, and a readership of 90 lakhs, for these publications. The ad was signed by an incredibly diverse group of Indians, 136 individuals including 59 women, and 22 organizations, from India, U.S., and eight other countries. http://cac.ektaonline.org/actions/gujarat/gujad.htm Scroll down and you will notice among the names, they are our usual suspects. This was perhaps in addtion to ads that appeared in the April 14th Sunday Edition of Indian Express Group of Newspapers in New Delhi, Mumbai, Ahmedabad and Baroda. Also appeared in the Delhi Edition of The Hindu, Hindu Business Line and Panaji Edition , O Herald of Goa. The expense for sponsoring these ads in the major newspapers in India was estimated to be $15,000 (I think it may be more). Principally, Mr Shrikumar Poddar from Lansing MI, orchestrated this ad-blitz. In a letter to the Y! group Friends of UP http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FRIENDS_of_UP/message/416

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"Our estimated expenditure for the 7 full page ads is $ 15,000 of which we have received pledges totaling $ 12,000 which leaves a gap of $ 3,000".
His letter says 50 individuals and 13 orgs collected money for this effort. Personally I think 12,000 bucks is a lot of money to collect for an ad-blitz. Not that it cannot be done, but requires tremendous amount of commitment for the cause. After all you are not really feeding the poor, but running advertisements. In comparison there may have been entire years in IDRF's life-span that they may not have collected 15 grand. Anyway, my feeling at the time was that Poddar collected only $3000. The rest -$12000- I suspected at the time was provided by the Paki publicity consultant "Sterling" that N3K talks about. Anybody in the Lansing MI area from this group? PM me, I'd be interested in talking.

Posted by: Kumar Mar 24 2005, 05:31 PM

I will not be surprised if US Govt is not completely aware of her backgrounds. My be we should email the information provided by Utepian to some of the senators who are staunch supporters of Iraq war.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 05:44 PM

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I will not be surprised if US Govt is not completely aware of her backgrounds. My be we should email the information provided by Utepian to some of the senators who are staunch supporters of Iraq war.
Email to Chris Mathew, Indian caucus jerks not to joint list Avoid California Senators and Congressman Hillary Clinton News Media -. I have sent emails to HT, IE, TOI

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 24 2005, 06:15 PM

Wikipedia on "genocide" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide BTW for those not aware of godwin's law.. smile.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Posted by: k.ram Mar 24 2005, 07:17 PM

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American Hypocrisy "Religious freedom? Is there religious freedom in Saudi Arabia? Will Riyadh permit a Hindu temple to be set up in forget Mecca or Medina even Riyadh itself? And yet Saudi princes get royal treatment when they visit the United States." Insulting a nation! Do secularists tolerate this? By M.V.Kamath Secularists and liberals let us drop the adjective `pseudo' for the time being are besides themselves with joy at the thought that the United States has slapped Gujarat's Chief Minister Narendra Modi in his face, by denying him entry visa into its sacred portals. Modi, no doubt, will survive this insult as he has survived many others, but it is time for all Indians to sit back and wonder whither we are heading as a people. The question is: have we learnt nothing from our history? Time was when Tipu Sultan was against Marathas, Marathas against the Nizam and the Nizam against everybody else. This, at the micro level. At the macro level every ruler in India was playing his own game. The East India Company took full advantage of it, played one faction against another and in the end emerged victorious to rule the once- proud nation for almost one hundred and fifty years. Our secularists and liberals do not think like Indians. They are the successors of our old feudal lords in their hatred of each other. There is rejoicing in our secular quarters that Modi has been slapped in his face. They do not realise that a slap on Modi's face is a slap on every Indian citizen's face and some day they may know the consequences if they care. Our intellectuals are good at bowing and scraping. Their ancestors did that to the British. In turn they are doing it before the Americans. Modi has been tarnished as a villain who is "Nazi-inspired", a "Hindu fundamentalist" whatever that means besides being an active participant in crime against humanity, no less. A vicious article in the Indian media by one Angana Chatterji, described as Associate Professor of Anthropology at California Institute of Integral Studies is an example of the depths to which our intellectual degradation can go. Chatterji obviously does not know the history of riots in India, of their origins and of their consequences. He (or is Angana a `she'?) is obviously not aware that there have been scores of riots in different parts of the country at different times, some more gruesome than others, all occurring under Congress-ruled states and Congress Chief Ministers, without a single honourable exception. If one were to describe them, as anti-Modi historians have attempted to describe the post-Godhra riots in Gujarat, they would come out more blood-soaked than the killings witnessed in Gujarat in 2002. Were Angana to get a full report on how innocent Sikh men, women and children were brutally killed by Congress goondas following the assassination of Indira Gandhi, for three continuous days without interference either from the police or the Army, Angana would possibly temper her language in cursing Modi. And Angana would be surprised to know that more Sikhs were killed during those riots than were Muslims in Gujarat. Incidentally many Hindus were also killed during police firing. The point is not that Congress in some ways is a more criminalised party than the BJP. We in India are living in times of stress but what happens in India is our business, not that of the United States of America. Angana would have been better employed had she sought to explain U.S. behaviour down the decades in different parts of the world, how for years, the United States has supported dictators whether in Latin America or Africa without so much as an apology to liberals, how it has arranged to have unfriendly politicians killed whether it was Patrice Lumumba in Congo, Salvadore Allende in Chile or an inconvenient general in Pakistan whose usefulness to Washington had come to an end. Human Rights in all cases were blown away with profuse abandon. What harm did the poor Vietnamese do to invite American fury for over a decade when US planes ruthlessly bombed Vietnamese homes and killed literally lakhs of Vietnamese? What sort of Human Rights was the US observing? What sort of Human Rights was the US, again, observing when first it equipped Iraqi militia with poison gas to be used against Iran? What kind of Human Rights has the US been observing in killing thousands of Iraqis in the past few months? The US claims it is defending religious freedom. Religious freedom? Is there religious freedom in Saudi Arabia? Will Riyadh permit a Hindu temple to be set up in forget Mecca or Medina even Riyadh itself? And yet Saudi princes get royal treatment when they visit the United States. What sort of religious freedom is there in Pakistan where scores of Hindu temples have been desecrated and where, until a couple of weeks ago, not even a crematorium was allowed to be set up? And while we are at it, may one ask whether there is any chance for a Hindu who dies in Spain or Portugal to get cremated there? A dead Hindu in these states has to have his body flown over to London for getting cremated. Cremation is not permitted in Catholic countries. A Report on Religious Intolerance in Europe, first drawn up around 1956-57 was quickly suppressed. It must be gathering dust in the United Nations archives in New York, considering that the report was commissioned by the world body. There should be a limit to hypocrisy. The US has falsely implicated the National Human Rights Commission (India) for damning Modi. But a top NHRC official has denied condemning Modi. The news agency UNI quotes the official as saying, that the Bush Administration has blown its observations over the 2002 riots out of proportion. As he put it: "Our approach was mainly limited to the Best Bakery Case.... there was no indictment in general of Modi or his government". But the US Government obviously has no respect for facts just as it had no respect for facts when it charged Iraq with possessing weapons of mass destruction. Washington lies through its teeth when it suits its purpose. It now claims that the decision to deny Modi entry visa was taken based on the Indian Government's criticism of the Gujarat Chief Minister. But why doesn't it take the same government at its word when it asks Washington to reconsider its decision? The trouble is that the United States thinks that it can get away with anything since it is the only Super Power. Its officials had no regrets when they asked defence Minister George Fernandes to strip and remove his shoes to prove that he was not carrying any dangerous weapons on his person. It was shameful and sickening. How would the US have reacted if Indian officials had asked US Defence Minister also to strip? And how would China have reached if its Defence Minister was subjected to such ignominy? Have any European Defence Minister been asked to to strip? Why are we taking these insults so casually? Why can't we spit in their faces and tell them where they get off! The manner in which US soldiers have been ill-treating Iraqi and Afghan prisoners of war is shocking beyond words. Some of them are not even POWs but plain detainees. One media report says that at a CIA-funded prison north of Kabul, a detainee was stripped naked, dragged across a concrete floor, then chained in a cell and was "frozen to death". That is how civilised Americans behave! Then there was a picture of a US woman officer compelling men to lie one above another. One presumes that this is the American concept of Human Rights. Iraqi soldiers have no Human Rights. They can be treated like dogs. The California professor speaks of genocide. What the US under Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon practised in Vietnam was genocide, pure and simple. What Pakistani Jehadis are practising in Jammu & Kashmir is again, genocide. Thousands of Kashmir Pundits have been driven out of their homes and are living in utmost degradation because of sheer terrorism practised by Pakistani terrorists supported by successive Pakistani regimes. Are the hands of General Musharraf clean? Why is he being honoured and feted? The Pakistani Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) is even now supporting terrorism in India's north east and there has not been a single word of protest from Washington. But what is it that Modi is charged with? If there was no Godhra, would there have been riots in Gujarat? What were those thousands of Muslims doing on the railway track as the two railway coaches were on fire? It is now claimed that a judge has noted that the fire was incidental and not deliberately set up. If the fire was incidental isn't it natural for those in the coaches to get off? Would any sane person continue to remain in a coach when fire is on? The plain fact is that they were not allowed to get off by Muslim crowds who were throwing stones at the coaches. That is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It was the ruthless murder of over fifty five innocent women and children who were burnt into ashes that set the riots in Gujarat. Whether Modi will ever get his visa back is immaterial. Even if it is given to him again, he should throw it into gutters. But there is a moral to every event. And this is that no one should ever again resort to violence, no matter what the provocation. The torching of the coaches at Godhra was a well-planned and executed event. There is enough evidence to prove it. Violence begets violence. Violence in Godhra is nothing new. The place is notorious for communal violence but the violence that followed the torching of coaches should be a warning to all concerned, whether Hindu or Muslim. Violence does not pay. As for our secularists, the less said the better. By supporting the US government they have shown their true face. Cowards come in many colours. And they are the first ones to sell their country to a foreigner. Send in your comments on this article to samachareditor@s... http://www.samachar.com/features/240305-features.html

Posted by: k.ram Mar 24 2005, 07:32 PM

Did anyone post Pitt's letter to Rice in here?

Posted by: Viren Mar 24 2005, 08:23 PM

From M V Kamath's article:

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He (or is Angana a `she'?)
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Posted by: keshto patel Mar 24 2005, 08:37 PM

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From M V Kamath's article:
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He (or is Angana a `she'?)
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user posted image Traitor is what traitor does! You are looking at her.... Or *she* at u....

Posted by: Mudy Mar 24 2005, 08:44 PM

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Did anyone post Pitt's letter to Rice in here?
yes, Now archieved.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 24 2005, 09:01 PM

Home Depot withdraws from AAHOA convention saag forums MODI ISSUE: American Express, Home Depot, Withdraws fro AAHOA Convetion. Friends: One more success for the Coalition Against Genocide, a human rights coalition of 35 Associations of Indian-Americans. American Express and Home Depot both of whom the Coalition requested to withdraw from the AAHOA convention in Ft Lauderdale, because Narendra Modi was chief guest there, announced today that indeed they are withdrawing from the said convention. Earlier MSNBC anchor Chris Mathews had withdrawn from this convention for the same reason. Listen, friends: When a lot of right thinking people come together on a right cause, and work for it systematically, chances of success are high. Only one week ago many nay-sayers were saying that no American business will withdraw from the convention; that US will never withdraw visa from Modi. Keep up the good work and remain united for the cause of pluralism, communal harmony and tolerance in society, everywhere including India and US. Kaleem Kawaja ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AMEX, HOME DEPOT WITHDRAW FROM FL EVENT LINKED TO MODI (WASHINGTON, D.C., 3/24/05) - A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today applauded the decisions of both American Express and The Home Depot Supply to withdraw corporate sponsorship of a Florida convention that sought to honor an Indian official accused of complicity in the massacre of Muslim civilians. The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) recently issued a call for American Express to withdraw its sponsorship from the annual convention of the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) that begins today in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., because of the scheduled participation of Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of the Indian state of Gujarat. Following anti-Muslim riots in 2002 that left up to 2,000 civilians dead, senior officials in Gujarat said they had been directed by Modi to allow the massacres to run their course. Last week, U.S. officials denied a visa that would have allowed him to travel to the Florida convention. An e-mail sent to those who contacted American Express about the controversy stated: "Unfortunately, a conference that was intended to help promote travel and tourism has become the object of partisan political contention. Therefore, we have chosen to withdraw from the conference." Earlier this week, The Home Deport Supply, a business-to-business division of The Home Deport, informed CAIR of its decision to withdraw from the convention. "By withdrawing from this event, American Express and Home Deport demonstrate a commitment to corporate responsibility and respect for their customers' concerns," said CAIR Government Affairs Director Corey Saylor.

Posted by: Kumar Mar 24 2005, 09:38 PM

Is there an alternative choice to Home Depot?

Posted by: keshto patel Mar 24 2005, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (Mudy @ Mar 25 2005, 09:16 AM)
keshto patel, This picture 20 yrs younger atleast when she was looking for marriage proposal. Latest is great.
Ever heard the phrase catch them young;)

Posted by: keshto patel Mar 24 2005, 09:50 PM

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American Hypocrisy "Religious freedom? Is there religious freedom in Saudi Arabia? Will Riyadh permit a Hindu temple to be set up in forget Mecca or Medina even Riyadh itself? And yet Saudi princes get royal treatment when they visit the United States." Insulting a nation! Do secularists tolerate this? By M.V.Kamath Send in your comments on this article to samachareditor@s... http://www.samachar.com/features/240305-features.html
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And while we are at it, may one ask whether there is any chance for a Hindu who dies in Spain or Portugal to get cremated there? A dead Hindu in these states has to have his body flown over to London for getting cremated. Cremation is not permitted in Catholic countries
This is not right. I/we have cremated my/our friend's father at las palmas canary Island (spain) whose citizen I am for the past 22 years. But I still love MVK for the great job he is doing ceaselesly, he should be considered our national asset.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 24 2005, 09:59 PM

Alternatives to Home Depot are Lowes and your neighborhood hardware store / paint store / flooring store / etc

Posted by: keshto patel Mar 24 2005, 10:10 PM

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Alternatives to Home Depot are Lowes and your neighborhood hardware store / paint store / flooring store / etc
By not sponsoring the AHOA, HD is a clear looser, so is Amex ( 5 million com from AHOA) Strong arm tactics by US and HD is just a pawn of their grand scheme. Pls note HD as a pawn.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 12:22 AM

Although this story is not new, what is new is the spin that IE would like to put on this. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=67150

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Sounding more like a salesman selling Gujarat to the world, more that a wronged Chief Minister who was denied entry to the US, Narendra Modi made the invitation while addressing the members of the Asian American Hotel Owners’ Association in Fort Laurendale, Florida, from his official residence in Gandhinagar on Thursday evening.
Now is there something wrong with sounding like a salesman for the state you are a CM of ? Isnt that your bloody job ?? Meanwhile the hotel owners have shown great solidarity and way more class, courage and patriotism then these dorks who would sell their country for 1 naya paisa..
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Patel told the gathering that past few days had been extremely difficult as several American companies had backed out from the sponsorships they had promised, due to the controversy over the visa denial. ‘‘But we respect their decision and I would like to tell you that this has made us stronger,’’ he said. Stressing the need for self-sufficiency for Indians and more particularly Gujaratis settled in the US, Patel stated that the AHOA has decided to pass a resolution called AIRS as a first step towards self sufficiency. ‘‘We had a board meeting to decide whether our CM Modi should address a gathering through video conferencing,” said Modi. “I am glad to say the decision was taken unanimously,’’ he stated, as board members of AHOA, stood beside him on the stage with saffron bands on their hands.

Posted by: ashyam Mar 25 2005, 12:29 AM

Actually few people tragetting Amex/HD will not make much difference. There has to be a largescale boycott. Actual people to be targetted are the senators who were behind this decision. Some body has to list them out publicly, like an article in some Indian magazine. Not only that Indians should ensure that these people are not financed but ensure that their rivals are financed to ensure their defeat.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 12:30 AM

It is good that Gujarat govt has come out with this press release.. I wish it had been the PMO themselves who had issued this press release. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=67145

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The press release said: ‘‘Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil called up the chief minister at 10:30 pm on Thursday to tell him that the Central government had information that there were security concerns for Modi in the UK and that he should postpone his visit for the time being.’’

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 12:32 AM

QUOTE (ashyam @ Mar 25 2005, 12:29 AM)
Actually few people tragetting Amex/HD will not make much difference. There has to be a largescale boycott. Actual people to be targetted are the senators who were behind this decision. Some body has to list them out publicly, like an article in some Indian magazine. Not only that Indians should ensure that these people are not financed but ensure that their rivals are financed to ensure their defeat.
Shyam, Those cowards wont come out clean with their names or Pitts is just lying. They have refused to name the 21 congressmen who signed the letter. At this time there is only Pitts and Conyers who we know for sure signed this. The "list of 21" is just hawa-mahal.

Posted by: k.ram Mar 25 2005, 03:11 AM

Source : http://www.countercurrents.org/guj-angana220305.htm How We Made U.S.Deny Visa To Modi By Angana Chatterji 22 March, 2005 Asian Age Nishrin Hussain lives in the United States. She is the daughter of Ahsanhusain A. Jafri of Gujarat, former Member of Parliament, who was tortured, decapitated, and murdered in 2002. The events of Gujarat 2002 have placed Nishrin in exile. Zaheera Sheik, who experienced the trauma of her family’s murder and was present for the Best Bakery ordeal, was coerced and intimidated by the Sangh Parivar. Bilkis Yakoob Rasool (Bilkis Bano) of Randhikpur village was gang-raped. She was five months pregnant at the time of her rape and lost 14 family members, including her three-year-old child, mother, and two sisters. Since then, she has been forced to move 20 times due to threats against her. These and other women of Gujarat live and relive the violence of 2002, their families and futures devastated. Such realities compelled the formation of the Coalition Against Genocide (CAG). CAG was formed in February 2005 to protest the planned business visit to the US in March 2005 of Narendra Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat, and demand accountability and justice in response to the Gujarat genocide. CAG is a spectrum of 38 organisations and 10 supporting groups, and individuals, across the US and Canada (www.coalitionagainstgenocide.org). CAG utilises several avenues, including grassroots mobilisation, e-mail, phone and fax campaigns, public demonstrations, and draws from various constituencies students, those self-employed, professionals, academics, artists, people of/from India, and allies. CAG is comprised of Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and those who profess other faiths or none. CAG challenges Modi supporters, primarily upper-caste Hindus, in the US who claim to represent Hindus and India, and others guided into buttressing Hindutva, "Hindu Tatva" " "Hindu principles," Nazi inspired, advocated by Hindu extremist groups dedicated to promoting a Hindu rashtra (theocracy) in India. The Association of Indian Americans of North America (AINA) invited Narendra Modi to New York on March 20. Sangh members in the US formed AINA for this purpose. The Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) invited Modi as chief guest for their annual convention in Florida on March 24-26. CAG called on Chris Matthews, host of Hardball, MSNBC, to decline the invitation to speak at the AAHOA Convention, and American Express to rescind its sponsorship of AAHOA. On March 8, Chris Matthews withdrew from the AAHOA event, giving up an estimated professional fee of thousands. The Institute on Religion and Public Policy wrote to secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, some CAG members lobbied with Capitol Hill, and 125 South Asia Studies and other faculty in the US wrote to the state department, the House and Senate Foreign Relations Committees, and the United Nations, to decline Modi's visa. Disturbingly, Modi was also invited to inaugurate the Yadunandan Centre for India Studies at the Asian and Asian American Studies Department of California State University at Long Beach on March 22, demonstrating once again the infiltration of Hindu nationalists into the academy. Again, 135 faculty wrote to the university asking it to rescind Modi's invitation. Uka Solanki, a Gujarati businessman and recipient of the 2005 Global Organisation of People of Indian Origins Pravasi Bharatiya Community Service Award, has given a large donation to the Asian American Studies Department and to the Centre for India Studies. University spokespersons so far have commented only that the request for Modi to inaugurate the Centre came from some donors. Former President of India, K.R. Narayanan, recently testified to a "conspiracy" between the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) governments in New Delhi and Gujarat, where between February 28 and March 2, 2002, under Narendra Modi's leadership, Hindu nationalists perpetrated an event distinctive in the movements malevolent reach for a Hindu state. In 16 of Gujarat's 24 districts, 2,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed, 200,000 were internally displaced. In many districts, the violence continued beyond those three unimaginable days into April and May. Over 100,000 homes, thousands of hotels and establishments were damaged or destroyed. Relief camps were attacked at night. Narendra Modi and the Gujarat government enabled the genocidal violence. Appointed in 2001, Modi contested election as chief minister in December 2002, and won, in the climate of terror that prevailed in Hindu nationalist ruled Gujarat. An economic boycott against the Muslim community continues; 239 Muslims and one Sikh remain detained under Prevention Of Terrorism Act (Pota) even as the Indian Parliament repealed Pota in December 2004. The events of February 28-March 2, 2002 constitute genocide under the United Nations Genocide Convention. Modi and the Gujarat government face charges for crimes against humanity and genocide. Inquiries and commissions, including the Indian National Human Rights Commission, have condemned Modi's role in the politically motivated attacks on minorities. The interim report from the Justice U.C. Banerjee Commission has concluded that the fire in coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express on February 27, resulting in the deaths of 59 people, was an accident and not a "terrorist" attack on Hindu pilgrims as claimed by those who organised the carnage that followed. Three years later, the survivors still await justice and reparations. Even as Muslims were the primary targets of violence in 2002, Christians were attacked and robbed during the post-Godhra riots. For those targeted, including dalits and adivasis, Narendra Modi, the architect of the state organised pogrom, is a monster whose words and deeds have endorsed rapes, the forced abortion of foetuses and their display on trishuls, brutalities that irrevocably scar the present. More than 2,000 of 4,000 cases filed by the victims were never investigated or dismissed, leading the Supreme Court of India to transfer several out of the state. On February 23, 2005, an Ahmedabad court sentenced three persons to four years imprisonment for stabbing to death Naseembibi Safar Ali, a pregnant woman, onFebruary 28, 2002, in Madhavpura, Ahmedabad. To find the male perpetrators guilty of murder and punish them with four-year sentences makes a mockery of justice and aligns the state, once again, with the sexualised violence that was Gujarat in 2002. Modi is a pracharak (proselytiser) for the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the xenophobic Hindu fundamentalist organisation, which, along with other Hindu extremist groups, receives funds from the US and UK. Modi’s current trip to the US would have been a fundraising event. Sudhir Parikh, a prominent Indian and Sangh Parivar affiliate living in the US, invited Modi in 2004. Parikh is on the board of the Indian American National Foundation, an umbrella organisation of AAHOA, American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin, National Federation of Indian American Associations, and Indian American Forum for Political Education. Other Hindu nationalists associated with hosting Modi's New York visit include Suresh Jani, former secretary, Overseas Friends of the BJP (OFBJP); Ved Nanda, Sanghchalak (chief), Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, the overseas wing of the RSS, and former president of Friends of India Society International; and Mukund Mody, founder and former President of the OFBJP (www.narendramodi.net/agenda.htm). Research undertaken by two independent groups, the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate and South Asia Watch Limited, demonstrate the linkages between money raised in the US and UK and Hindu fundamentalism in India, yet little has been done to curtail fundraising for hate. There has been bi-partisan support in the US for human rights in Gujarat. Former President Clinton condemned the events in Gujarat. In 2002, Congressman Joseph Pitts (Republican-Pennsylvania) condemned the premeditated brutality and cited insufficient action on the part of the US. Congressman Pitts also conveyed that Hindu extremist groups receive some of their funds from charities in the US. In 2003 and 2004, the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom recommended that India be designated a "Country of Particular Concern." On March 15, 2005, House Resolution 156 was introduced in the United States Congress by Congressperson John Conyers, ranking Democrat (Michigan), House Judiciary Committee, and Dean, Congressional Black Caucus, and Congressperson Pitts, member, India Caucus and the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, "condemning the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for his actions to incite religious persecution and urging the United States to condemn all violations of religious freedom in India." On March 18, Modi was denied a diplomatic visa under Section 214(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) by the US embassy in New Delhi, as this was not a diplomatic visit, and his tourist and business visa was revoked under INA Section 212(a)(2)(G), "as an official responsible for carrying out severe violations of religious freedom," under Section 3 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998. Following this, AAHOA has withdrawn Modi's invitation, and American Express has cancelled $150,000 in sponsorship money. In response, militant workers of the Bajrang Dal set fire to a PepsiCo warehouse in Surat. Other acts of arson and aggression will likely follow. The Indian government must stop the cycle of violence and refuse to be held captive by Hindu nationalists. The Congress government has elected to interpret Washington's decision as "anti-India." How is upholding religious freedom, rule of law, and accountability in governance contrary to the interests of the nation? While the US continues to violate the rights of citizens in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, in this instance, Washington’s decision is supportive of human rights. Indian jurist L.M. Singhvi has alleged that the US denied and revoked Narendra Modi's visa without due process of law. It should be incumbent on the government of India to initiate due process of law investigating Modi's role in executing the Gujarat massacre, as individual and chief minister of Gujarat. That Narendra Modi was denied a visa, that his active involvement in crimes against humanity has been officially noted, is something to celebrate. The larger task remains to hold accountable Narendra Modi, who has committed genocide.

Posted by: Viren Mar 25 2005, 08:28 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1294469,0008.htm?headline=Who~stopped~Modi's~London~visit?

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Home Minister Shivraj Patil spoke to Modi and informed him that because his visit to Britain was private, the Government there would not provide any official security, so there may be a problem," the Prime Minister's media advisor Sanjaya Baru said. "Then Modi called the Prime Minister and informed him of his decision to cancel his visit." Asked whether there were any threats from terror outfits, Baru said: "Not that we know of."

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 08:52 AM

User Deaf Leopard on Sulekha.. http://www.sulekha.com/news/newsitem.aspx?cid=419551

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A representative of American Association of Hotel and Motel Owners mentioned in the meeting that American Express Company had pledged $150,000 for their Convention but withdrew its advertisement because we had invited our beloved leader Narendra Modi for the Convention. In retaliation, our association has decided not to accept American Express Card. Due to this decision, American Express could lose more than $5 million in commissions.

Posted by: Mudy Mar 25 2005, 09:45 AM

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'Revoke visas of Congmen accused in '84 riots' biggrin.gif Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi Now, Shiromani Akali Dal has joined political shadow-boxing over the US revoking diplomatic visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. The party wants similar retribution against Congress leaders accused of flaring anti-Sikh 1984 riots. The Akalis support the stand that an elected Chief Minister should not be denied visa. But Mr Modi should not be the only one singled out for visa denial, while the role of some Congressmen alleged in riots be forgotten. The party, however, has refused to name Congressmen against whom they seek action. "Let the Government publish (Justice Nanavati Commission) report," said senior Akali leader Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa. "Washington has cited a law banning foreign officials deemed responsible for severe violation of religious freedom. This law should also apply to certain ruling Congress politicians blamed for the killing of thousands of Sikhs in the aftermath of the assassination of then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi," Mr Dhindsa said. Congress, BJP and Left had deplored the US decision to revoke Mr Modi's visa. Prime Minister's Office also asked the US to relook its decision. But the US did not yield and said Mr Modi as the head of the state government of Gujarat between February and May 2002 "was responsible for the performance of the state institutions at that time." The Akalis, part of the opposition National Democratic Alliance (NDA), have consistently blamed Congress administration in Delhi at the time for turning a blind eye when several thousand Sikhs were targeted in mob violence. "Unfortunately, the people who have faced trials for the 1984 massacre are occupying key positions in the Congress government today. The US should apply the same approach towards them also, Mr Dhindsa said

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 10:08 AM

This other dork Raju Rajagopal has puked on sulekha.. http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/articledesc.asp?cid=307608 Some interesting responses from other sulekhites. Please post interesting and informative posts here for archive purposes. Thanks. PS : His affiliations are.. Chair, Promise of India coalition for promoting Communal Harmony in India - Executive Member, Indians for Collective Action, supporting rural development in India - Charter Member, The Indus Entrepreneurs (TiE), Silicon Valley Chapter

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 10:15 AM

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Dear Mr. Rajagopal, Here is my response to Modi's visit and the campaign organized by you and your colleagues. Ramesh Rao Pyrrhic Victory The “success” of a motley group of activists in having the U.S. deny a diplomatic visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi is a portent of more religious conflict in India. That the U.S. government has sought to bar Modi from visiting the U.S, by going the extent of even revoking his business visa, is yet another blow to peace and reconciliation between religious communities in India. The glee with which the “secular-Muslim-Christian” combine, who have nothing in common except it seems a visceral dislike of Hindu activism, has proclaimed victory at this hasty and undiplomatic move by the U.S. government goes to show that these “activists” are nothing but short-sighted, willful, and vulgar propagandists masquerading as messengers of peace and goodwill. They wish nothing more for India than continued religious and communal conflict. Denying Modi a platform in the U.S. is an undemocratic and unwise move. The “coalition against genocide” has successfully seduced Congressmen into pressuring the State Department to vilify and criminalize the lawfully elected Chief Minister of Gujarat. His role in the riots that followed the burning to death of 58 children, women, and men in the ghastly Godhra massacre is yet to be described, evaluated and judged by the Nanavati Commission that has been inquiring into the riots. The U.S. move is therefore a crude attempt at pre-empting the decision of the Commission. There is a buzz in the Indian-American community about this feckless move by the Bush administration, and rightly so. It shows how fickle, careless, and hasty the U.S. can be in its relations even with friends and democratic partners. What can we then say about its relationship with its declared enemies? One also wonders if the Bush administration has bought off or quieted the harsh critics of its Iraq and other foreign misadventures – those shrill critics who also happen to be the ones who have conspired to demonize Modi. The denial of the visa to Narendra Modi is not just an insult to him or to the BJP or to Hindu activists but an affront to India. It is an affront because a duly and democratically elected leader, who has not lost his legal or moral rights in India, is sought to be caricatured and condemned by the U.S. It is an affront to India because the U.S. has allowed leaders from other countries -- with shady backgrounds and more blood on their hands than Modi – to sup at their highest table and to hobnob with their most powerful business, cultural and political leaders. In targeting Modi they have sent a signal that it is easy to interfere in the internal affairs of India, and to play the old, White, supremacist “divide and rule” game. It is easy to meddle in the affairs of India not just because others want to do so but because Indians themselves are a frail and divided lot. Thus the Indian-Muslim and Indian-Christian groups in the U.S. have colluded and collaborated on this misadventure though elsewhere in the world Muslims and Christians are hacking and heaving at each other. The Indian “secular, progressive” groups in the U.S. are on their usual short-sighted, self-aggrandizing power trip. Their will to win is powerful, and they don’t mind the costs. But we have to give them their due: they are good at rounding up the powerful and the influential at short notice, and they are good at posturing and parading their “peace activist” credentials. However, we know fully well that their rhetoric and their politics have little to do with peace and almost all to do with short term political gain. They are also some of the most blinkered of human beings as they show little guilt or concern at marriages of convenience with religious fundamentalists and supremacists, and conservative and religious ideologues who warm the chairs of “commissions for religious freedom”. International Islamic groups and networks have worked together to demonize Modi and in the crafting of petitions to bamboozle Congressional leaders, and we should not be surprised at this. These groups have no problems in arguing for the rights of murderous jihadists, proclaiming loudly that one is innocent until proved guilty, but they will collaborate on these projects of demonization and premature judgment of Hindu politicians and leaders. No doubt, those who feel that this is a religious/extremist conspiracy to undermine India and Hindu politicians and leaders, have something solid to confirm their suspicions and their fears. In their letter to the State Department, the Congressional leaders say that “Mr Modi was the Chief Minister of Gujarat during the 2002 riots in which over 2,000 Indian Muslims and non-Hindus lost their lives. Since that time, reports suggest that over 100,000 people remain displaced and are unable to return to their homes or communities. Numerous inquiries by Indian officials and non-government organisations have determined that the state government in Gujarat, led by Chief Minister Modi, provided leadership and material support for the rape and murder of over 2,000 people, including women and young children, and the destruction of homes, businesses and resources primarily belonging to Indian Muslims.” They do not mention that the riots were an aftermath of the ghastly murder by a Muslim mob of Hindus traveling by train in Godhra, a town which is famous as a haven for extremist Muslim ideologues and activists. They also quote exaggerated numbers of those killed and displaced. According to newspaper reports, about a thousand people died in the rioting in Gujarat in the 2002 riots. The letter by the Congressmen claims that at least 2,000 people were killed, “Muslims and non-Hindus”. Who, we may wonder, are these “non-Hindus”? Are they Christian? Surely, no, for if it were Christians the Congressmen would be blaring it out loud and clear. By inserting the term “non-Hindus” they are playing the trick of proclaiming India’s Scheduled Castes and Tribes as “non-Hindu”, and thus officially alienating these people from Hindus and Hinduism. For their exaggerated numbers of riot victims, instead of newspaper reports, the Congressmen prefer to rely on partisan sources: sources that had publicly vowed to bring down the BJP government in New Delhi, and to defeat Modi in the 2002 state elections. If the Congressmen had looked at newspaper reports, even as recently as the August 27, 2003 issue of the New York Times the number of people killed in Gujarat was pegged at 1,000. In a Times of India report, the toll, one week after the riots erupted on February 28, 2002 was 677. The riots were controlled within 72 hours (“Toll now 677 due to recovery of more bodies”, Bharat Desai, The Times of India, March 7, 2002). That report states that nearly a hundred people were killed by the police trying to control the mobs. In a report dated April 28, 2002 (“More fall prey to police firings in Gujarat”, Sanjay Pandey, The Times of India) we get more figures of dead and injured. Of the 726 people killed, 552 were Muslims and 168 Hindus, including the 58 on the Sabarmati Express. Of the people killed in the first month of police firings, 60 were Hindus and 40 Muslims. In the second month, when 70 more succumbed to police firings, 53 were Muslims and 17 Hindus. In a July 28, 2002 report in the India Times, the chief rehabilitation officer of the Gujarat government, a Muslim official, says that he had disbursed compensation to the kin of all 925 victims (including Hindus) in the riots. No doubt, the perpetrators of ghastly crimes, whether Muslim or Hindu, should be identified and punished. In India, the courts are however slow, inept, inefficient or victims of political and criminal machinations. But one should also be careful about the spread of wild rumors about ghastly murders and rapes. By putting their signatures to a letter consisting of exaggerated, if not false claims, the Congressmen do a disservice to India. The letter by the Congressmen states that more than 100,000 Muslims remain displaced. S.M.F. Bukhari, Gujarat’s Chief Coordinator of Relief, a Muslim, has noted that of the 133,000 refugees who had taken shelter in the 110 camps across the state, 12,229 were still living in the camps as of July 2002, indicating that a significant number had already been rehabilitated. He stated that 680 million rupees had been given as compensation to the kin of the dead and injured. Bukhari also stated, “We could achieve 100 per cent success in rural areas where we involved the local leaders and made them convince the refugees to return home. The state machinery behaved as a catalyst” (India Times, July 22, 2002). Human Rights Watch and other rights groups have been very partisan in their reporting of the events in Gujarat. Why that is so is yet another tale waiting to be told but with few mainstream media and academics willing to investigate the activities of these activists and activist groups, the truth shall be forever remain buried in little read books and papers. To conclude, the cancellation of the visa for Modi is yet another kink in the twisted relationship between India and the United States. No one, except the myopic and foolhardy, will rejoice at this turn of events. This “victory” for the “coalition of convenience” is surely a defeat for India and the U.S. Ramesh Rao

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 01:13 PM

Vijay Prasad gloats.. http://www.flonnet.com/fl2207/stories/20050408003313100.htm

Posted by: Mudy Mar 25 2005, 01:56 PM

http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/29328.asp

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Having set a precedent now, is the State Department going to move in the future to keep out several others that in the past have been associated with "severe" religious persecution, for instance those political leaders named during the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in New Delhi, or those implicated in acts against Chechnyans in Russia, or even Beijing's Communist Party members that have moved against the Falun Gong sect or Christians in China, not to forget those who persecuted the Kashmiri Pandits? Modi's visa was denied under the International Religious Freedom Act. Passed in 1998 and strengthened in 2004 by the Intelligence Reform Act, it gives the president authority to delay, deny or cancel visits by a foreign citizen who "while serving as a foreign government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom". "It is an issue fraught with dilemmas. It has opened up something of a pandora's box for the US," said Walter Andersen, former State Department official, now associate director of the South Asian Studies department at the Johns Hopkins University.
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"I doubt Washington sees this as a way to win favour with the Islamic world," Andersen contended. "I doubt it was the objective because I have not seen the kind of resonance coming from that part of the globe, not just now, but even during the rioting in 2002 in India, there wasn''t that much reporting in the Islamic world other than in Pakistan."

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 01:59 PM

For the record. USINPAC's statement.. http://www.usinpac.com/NewsContent.asp?CONTENT_ID=196&SEC_ID=14

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USINPAC Calls Visa Denial a Setback for US India Relations USINPAC - Washington, D.C., March 21, 2005. USINPAC Chairman Sanjay Puri called the State Department's decision to revoke the visa of Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, “a setback to the US - India relationship”. Mr. Puri added “Mr. Modi is a controversial figure in India and a number of cases against him are making their way through the Indian legal process. Until those cases reach a resolution, Mr. Modi is still a duly elected representative of a large Indian State and our Government should be showing deference to India's democracy and rule of law.” Modi was scheduled to travel to the United States to address several Indian-American organizations - to boost US-India trade. Several members of Congress pressed the State Department to revoke Modi’s visa. The Chief Minister is blamed by many for the religious riots in Gujarat, in 2002 that claimed the lives of thousands. Ahmedabad, Gujarat, where the riots took place, has a long and tragic history of religious violence, and Indian-Americans are in agreement that the riots were a tragic event. Mr. Puri stated that “this is an unsound application of what is certainly a well intentioned Act [Section 212 (a)(2)(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act]. It sets a bad precedent that will not serve the US well. The Act was clearly not designed to prohibit entry of duly elected political leaders of pluralistic democratic allies, regardless of how controversial or unpopular these leaders may be - not before a formal judicial finding of personal culpability. The tragic events that are part of the history of Gujarat cannot be denied. At the same time, it is inappropriate and misguided policy for the State Department to prematurely and unilaterally apply such a censure to Gujarat Chief Minister Modi.” The United States and India share common values on the freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and representative government. This unfortunate decision is a setback to the bilateral partnership Indian Americans are so proud of.

Posted by: Viren Mar 25 2005, 02:09 PM

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Vijay Prasad gloats.. http://www.flonnet.com/fl2207/stories/20050408003313100.htm
and the icing on the cake that Vijay offers..
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CAG members and member organisations are uncomfortable with their own strategic use of the U.S. government to deny Modi his visa. After all, many of the CAG's constituent organisations also participated in anti-war protests on March 20, the second anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. As Angana Chatterji of the CAG noted: "The U.S. government is headed by a man who himself should be charged with crimes against humanity, and what Washington defines as `human rights' is itself a hugely problematic terrain. We need to hold Washington accountable to an ethical agenda of human rights, even as the present U.S. administration continues to violate the rights of citizens in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere." In other words, the CAG hoisted Washington on the petard of its own propaganda.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 02:15 PM

This is even better..

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In other words, the CAG hoisted Washington on the petard of its own propaganda.

Posted by: Viren Mar 25 2005, 02:36 PM

So they are basically saying 'we pulled a fast one' ohmy.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 02:46 PM

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So they are basically saying 'we pulled a fast one' ohmy.gif laugh.gif
Atleast thats the claim. Look at this other statement..
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Furthermore, the U.S. government did not decide to take away Narendra Modi's visa. That honour must go to activists both in India and in the U.S. who worked in concert.
Its a different matter that the US has decided to scale down the India-US relations unilaterally anyways by offering F16s to the pukes. If one takes that into account, then US has used these idiots as condoms (traitorous freaks that they are) and now are about to be Flush.gif

Posted by: Reggie Mar 25 2005, 04:51 PM

N, Any specific problem (individual?) with USINPAC, please let me know. Thanks. Reggie

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 25 2005, 05:54 PM

Can USINPAC atleastwork to make the names of congressmen who signed the petition ? otherwise, they are just there wo wine and dine and do nothing people.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 25 2005, 06:16 PM

No, Reggie, and I suspect u know about the events I refer to... My problem with their MO is that if one works flat out for days on end, putting aside all other demands on one's time... and then asks what became of what one sent, what format works best, one gets an arrogant shoo-off. Not the style of operation that gets me to waste time on them any more. And apparently their effectiveness is ...... well... about what I was afraid it was.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 25 2005, 06:29 PM

More proof of incompetence of USINPAC, for Tsunami relief they recommended numerous xtian, jewish and commie charities, but not a single hindu charity USINPAC gives mostly to commie and evangelist charities Not a single hindu charity on this list http://www.usinpac.com/tsunami-relief-how-to-help.asp TSUNAMI RELIEF: HOW TO HELP US India Political Action Committee (USINPAC) expresses sympathy for the tragic death and loss of hundreds of thousands of people in South and Southeast Asia caused by the tsunami on September 26, 2004. India was hit especially hard by this disaster. Triggered by the strongest earthquake in 40 years that shook the island of Sumatra in Indonesia, the tidal surge struck the coastal regions of Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Kerala, and Andaman and Nicobar Islands in India in the early hours of the morning on December 26, 2004 catching people unaware. USINPAC urges its members and all Indian Americans to support the Tsunami relief efforts in South and Southeast Asia. Below is a list of organizations that are accepting contributions, and information on how to contribute. Action Against Hunger 247 West 37th Street New York, NY 10018 212-967-7800 www.actionagainsthunger.org --- Xtian --- ADRA International Asia Tsunami Crisis Fund 12501 Old Columbia Pike Silver Spring, MD 20904 800-424-ADRA (2372) www.adra.org ----- Evangelical ---- American India Foundation (AIF): www.aifoundation.org ----- Per my post above - commie + evangelical ------- American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, Inc. JDC-South Asia Tsunami Relief P.O. Box 321 847A Second Avenue New York, New York 10017 212-885-0832 www.jdc.org --- Jewish ---- American Jewish World Service 45 W. 36th St., 10th Fl. New York, NY 10018 212-736-2597 www.ajws.org -- Jewish --- American Red Cross International Response Fund 2025 E St. NW Washington, DC 20006 800-HELP-NOW www.redcross.org ---- Xtian ---- Association for India’s Development (AID): http://www.aidindia.org/CMS/ --- commie ----- Baptist World Aid Asia Tidal Waves 405 North Washington Street Falls Church, VA 22046 703 790 8980 www.bwanet.org/bwaid --- evangelical ------ B'nai B'rith International B'nai B'rith Disaster Relief Fund 2020 K Street NW 7th Floor Washington, DC 20006 212-490-3290 www.bnaibrith.org --- jewish ----- CARE 151 Ellis Street NE Atlanta, GA 30303 800-521-CARE www.care.org --- xtian ----- Catholic Relief Services 209 West Fayette Street Baltimore, MD 21201 877-HELP-CRS www.catholicrelief.org --- xtian ---- Christian Children's Fund Child Alert Fund PO Box 26484 Richmond, Virginia - 23261-6484 800-776-6767 www.ChristianChildrensFund.org ---- xtian ---- The Jewish Federation of Greater Washington: Please make checks out to "JFGW-Southeast Asia Disaster Relief Fund," reference #SDG05DRT, c/o The Jewish Federation of Greater Washington, 6101 Montrose Road, Rockville, MD 20852. --- xtian ---- National Federation of Indian-American Associations (NFIA) - www.nfia.net ---- Secular Indian, lots of muslims and xtians on the board However this has condemned denial of visa to Modi ---- Oxfam America Asian Earthquake Fund PO Box 1211 Albert Lea, MN 56007-1211 800-77-OXFAM www.oxfamamerica.org ---- Xtian --- Prime Minister of India’s National Relief Fund (Embassy of India) http://www.indianembassy.org/Tsunami/PMCont1.htm : In the US, contributions can be sent to Head of Chancery, Embassy of India, 2107 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington DC 20008. The check should be made out to "The Prime Minister’s National Relief Fund” and the envelope should be marked "PM's National Relief Fund” ---- Secular Indian ------- SAWSO (Salvation Army World Service Office) South Asia Relief Fund 615 Slaters Lane Alexandria, VA, 22313 800-SALV-ARMY ---- xtian ----- US Fund for UNICEF General Emergency Fund 333 E. 38th Street New York, NY 10016 800-4-UNICEF www.unicefusa.org --- UN ___ World Relief SE Asia Earthquake/Tsunamis 7 E Baltimore St Baltimore MD 21202 800-535-5433 www.worldrelief.org ---- Xtian -----

Posted by: utepian Mar 25 2005, 07:20 PM

Oh, you might as well read my b_woot.gif to Rajagopal under "Pinky".

Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 25 2005, 08:00 PM

that was good utepian!

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 08:31 PM

Hey this deserves to be posted in full... ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif

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Dear Mr. Rajagopal: Hearty Congratulations! In your letter to Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove you have laid the case against Modi supported with excellent credentials. Genocide in Gujarat is by Hindus led by Modi. By repeatedly asserting that you are a Hindu, you have reinforced your case compellingly. Knowing your work from the past, I have included this admirable quality in my personal day-to-day life as well. I have allowed all my neighbors to rebuke, revile, upbraid and beat my six year old without the slightest compunction even for the smallest peccadillo he might indulge in. Living in civilized society, being the son of a Hindu the entire neighborhood has the right to punish him. When my wife and I fight about my in laws, I make sure I tell all to the neighbors. Just the other day, my neighbors completely oblivious of the nefarious past of my in laws invited them to dinner. As a true Hindu, I made sure that they knew they were inviting devil incarnates in the guise of in-laws. Just like the US government, they saw my point and refused them food. Since the complaint was from the family itself – they saw my point easily. Thank you for being a guiding light. America is the beacon of freedom and moral uprightness. Its record in bringing justice to people all over the world is unparalleled in history. Whether it is Vietnam, Korea, Philippines, Bosnia, recently Afghanistan and specially Iraq - America has brought peace and freedom for all repressed people. Now that you have this benignant nation’s attention I must caution that you do not rest on your laurels. The denial of Visa for Narendra Modi is but a small step. It should not be lost in vain. You must take the next logical step. You must convince America that it invades Gujarat. Sure this will bring forth death and destruction of innocents as collateral, but then that is the price of freedom. We must remember that those dying will be Hindus who have unleashed the Genocide to begin with – and against whom this fight for equality is. America also has a trusted ally in the neighborhood – Pakistan - another shining example of righteousness. Pakistan’s struggle to bring freedom for Kashmiris has already found place in the pantheons of history right next to America. Some among your friends at Coalition Against Genocide even argue that Pakistan’s claim to moral rectitude is even greater. They point out that it is the only country that was born for the purpose of Islam – therefore its people represent the pinnacle of egality. Only America and Pakistan can deliver the peace and freedom you have been seeking for the repressed people of Gujarat. In this endeavor, rest assured you have the support of all peace loving people. The communists have excellent record in maintaining peace and harmony wherever they have ruled. Both the former USSR and China are lands far greater in size than India. One can only imagine how colossal the diversity of their people might be. But can anyone point out one single instance of communal disharmony in these lands? While the former Soviet Union has sadly disintegrated, China stands with tenacity - its grandeur seen by all. I am sure you have read that it was China and not the United States that first refused Narendra Modi a visa. Perhaps it was the good work of Coalition Against Genocide that worked in humility even in China. We all know they will be more than happy to lend a helping hand in freeing the people of Gujarat – maybe even others in India. Other than morally upright governments, you also have the support of the private sector. Mr. Dawood Ibrahim owns a worldwide conglomerate of industries. His businesses in financial detergents, self-defense products, export-import, meat (as in flesh) have an unimpeachable record in virtuosity. You surely recognize that your work will require infinite manpower well versed in the process of delivering justice by all means. Mr. Ibrahim has an excellent supply of such human resource. It is our good fortune that people like you and Mr. Ibrahim are engaged towards the same goal. In fact it is today’s news that it was the business associates of Mr. Ibrahim that thwarted Modi’s visit to the UK. Perhaps you prefer to work in silence. It must only be your humility that you do not advertise your collaboration with other like-minded people. But there is another word of caution. While genocide of Muslims in Gujarat is undeniable – there are those Muslims that will work to mask this misery. In the genocide of Jews in Hitler’s Germany, the Jews never got any representation or they did not shine as Germans in any sphere of talent. This underlined the genocide. It was clearly visible and left no one in doubt. But in Gujarat there are Muslims who are hell bent to succeed thru the sheer dint of their hard work, in the process even making India proud. Their success creates doubts among those who do not know. They refuse to believe that there is an ongoing Genocide in Gujarat. For example there is this woman Aneesa Mirza. She became the Mayor of Genocide Central – Ahmedabad - within months of our carefully orchestrated campaign that started in Godhra. Now come on, she governs the city within minutes of Modi’s palace. So in the midst of Genocide, how does she become Mayor? – skeptics ask. Then there is this kid – Irfan Pathan. Now we have told our righteous friends that all kids are engaged in concentration camps – weak and diseased. Party pooping, this kid comes out strong as an ox – even bulldozes his guardian angels, the fair and strong Pakistanis. On the other hand you have those Muslims who just do not learn to play along the game of genocide. Take for example these innocent kids playing with toys uncle Dawood gifts them. Communities after community of Muslims have done a real poor job of hiding these simple firecrackers. The evil Hindu community shows this to the world as an example that all is well. They contend that how could genocide be happening if kids are playing with firecrackers? They also tell these simple gifts from Uncle Dawood are explosives! So clearly there is a lot of good work left to be done. I take this opportunity to thank you again. Rejection of Modi’s visa was the first success. May you succeed all the way to bring peace in each and every state of India. May the force be with you. Sincerely, Pinky

Posted by: narayanan Mar 25 2005, 09:57 PM

Has this appeared anywhere? If not, could you send it to IndiaCause ASAP? IndiaCause@Yahoo.com It deserves the widest dissemination in every form. You did forget one very important aspect in describing the Tall Fair neighbors. The proper term is Tall, Fair and Tight-Assed tv_feliz.gif

Posted by: Viren Mar 25 2005, 10:21 PM

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Dear Mr. Rajagopal: Hearty Congratulations! ....... Sincerely, Pinky
laugh.gif tickled me pink(y), maangye ustaad thumbup.gif

Posted by: Mudy Mar 25 2005, 10:29 PM

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Dear Mr. Rajagopal: Hearty Congratulations!
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Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 11:05 PM

Utepian, I would love to put this on our front page. Dont know what India Cause's policies are. Could you check with them ? If they are ok we can also post on our front page.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 25 2005, 11:06 PM

BTW Zaheer Khan is also from Baroda..

Posted by: Viren Mar 25 2005, 11:28 PM

Just in via email.. sorry no URL

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Former US officials call Modi visa denial misjudgement [U.S. News] Washington, March 25 : Some former senior State Department officials believe the decision to deny Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi a visa was unwise and has thrown up complicated questions for future US foreign policy. Despite the crimes that took place in Gujarat, they contend, using the International Religious Freedom Act and the Immigration and Nationality Act at this juncture with India has set a precedent that the State Department will find hard to live by. "I wouldn't have denied him the visa," Ambassador Dennis Kux told IANS. Kux is a senior policy scholar in the Asia programme at the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars and a retired Foreign Service South Asia specialist. "I can understand the reasons for doing it but I would have waited for court action (in India)," Kux said referring to Modi being denied a visa for "serious violation of religious freedom" for the Gujarat communal violence of 2002. "There are a lot of interest groups that demand a lot of things and this group had good credentials. And the whole thing was pretty shameful in Gujarat. But it is for the courts," he emphasised. During his 39-year foreign service career, he served three tours in India and Pakistan and was country director for India, Nepal and Sri Lanka in the State Department. Policymakers and observers say regardless of the realpolitik involved in the situation, or whether Washington did the right thing, behind all the quibbling and hair-splitting is a great human tragedy - the faces of more than 2,000 people killed, brutalised, each with a horrific recounting and a family suffering excruciating pain, a pain that Modi was in a position to ameliorate. But the State Department interpreting US law right ahead of Modi's visit has led some to speculate that it may not have been a well-thought out act. Having set a precedent now, is the State Department going to move in the future to keep out several others that in the past have been associated with "severe" religious persecution, for instance those political leaders named during the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in New Delhi, or those implicated in acts against Chechnyans in Russia, or even Beijing's Communist Party members that have moved against the Falun Gong sect or Christians in China, not to forget those who persecuted the Kashmiri Pandits? Modi's visa was denied under the International Religious Freedom Act. Passed in 1998 and strengthened in 2004 by the Intelligence Reform Act, it gives the president authority to delay, deny or cancel visits by a foreign citizen who "while serving as a foreign government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom". "It is an issue fraught with dilemmas. It has opened up something of a pandora's box for the US," said Walter Andersen, former State Department official, now associate director of the South Asian Studies department at the Johns Hopkins University. Doubting that it will be regarded as a small matter by either New Delhi or Washington, he said, "But in some ways, it does turn out to be a blunder as some people have maintained," Andersen said. "It makes Modi a martyr, it sweeps his own political problems under the rug, it makes it look like an assault on Gujarat which is what he had been touting earlier, and it also brings out a lot of anti-US feelings in the right wing of the BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party)." Foreign policy buffs also brush aside the view that the Bush administration set up Modi as an example for showing it was not rabidly anti-Islamic. "I doubt Washington sees this as a way to win favour with the Islamic world," Andersen contended. "I doubt it was the objective because I have not seen the kind of resonance coming from that part of the globe, not just now, but even during the rioting in 2002 in India, there wasn't that much reporting in the Islamic world other than in Pakistan." --Indo-Asian News Service

Posted by: utepian Mar 26 2005, 12:34 AM

Sent it to India Cause. Thing is, I first posted it as a comment on Sulekha. So dunno, how its going to work with IC. sad.gif We can put it up on IF.

Posted by: ashyam Mar 26 2005, 01:52 AM

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You know I never imagined the State Department would have taken some of the luminaries protesting Modi entry to the US seriously. Angana Chatterji specially. But I was surprised for the second time.
Utepian, I'm using your research database on Angana Chatterji to communicate her links and motives to SJMN reporter Lisa Fernandez with whom I've corresponded couple of times. Last Wednesday she had made a report on Indo-American reactions on Modi visa issue. One of the persons she quoted was AC. I want to communicate this link to Lisa and editor of SJMN and discourage them from quoting her in future. I'm not claiming that my mails are fruitful, but will continue to communicate with them till they change or I get conviced that my mails are really going to trash.

Posted by: narayanan Mar 26 2005, 06:32 AM

Utepian: Send it again to IndiaCause mentioning that it was a response to Rajagopal on Sulekha - and ask for permission to post at IF saying "published at www.indiacause.com" .

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 26 2005, 07:38 AM

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http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/26modi.htm Sponsor withdrawal is not a major blow: Hoteliers Aziz Haniffa in Florida | March 26, 2005 16:01 IST Stung by the denial of visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to address its annual convention and the consequent withdrawal of sponsorships, the Asian American Hotel Owners association has said the imbroglio has only made the institution stronger. The American Express Corporation withdrew its sponsorship for the AAHOA's annual convention on March 24 in Florida. The other major sponsors who withdrew their support were Intercontinental, Hilton, Best Western, Cendant, Choice Hotels, Carlson Hospitality Worldwide, Home Depot, and USFS -- a leading franchising group to many hotels owned by AAHOA. All the sponsors including the American Express had earlier expressed concerns over AAHOA's invitation to Modi and even opposed to their decision to listen to Modi over a satellite video-link up. Modi was refused entry into the US on the basis of the Gujarat government's suspect communal record. "Some of the franchise companies have asked us to respect their decision and we asked them to respect our decision," AAHOA chairman Naresh 'Nash' Patel told rediff.com. "However, I don't think the relationship is severed forever," he said, adding, "Some sponsors unfortunately, have taken the position. They should have at least given us an opportunity to listen to their concerns and let us be a part of the discussions that led to their withdrawal." Patel, however, said, "To me it's not a major blow. To me it makes us stronger, it makes us so powerful, it gives our members an opportunity to realise where we stand today." American Express, which has over the years pumped in more than half a million dollars for each convention, decided to withdraw their sponsorship in the wake of AAHOA's defiant declaration not to withdraw their invitation. American Express spokeswoman Christine Elliot said, "A conference that was intended to help promote travel and tourism has become the object of partisan political contention. Therefore, we have chosen to withdraw from the conference." Meanwhile, Modi in his satellite address did not talk about his visa denial but talked about business and investment opportunities for AAHOA members in Gujarat. Patel has refused to acknowledge that the invitation to Modi was not such a great idea after all. "Modi was supposed to come here and talk to AAHOA on business and investment opportunities in Gujarat. It is disheartening that these sponsors had based their decision to withdraw support on the political decision by the US," he said. Patel, in a particularly stinging rebuke of USFS and Lewin, in his welcoming remarks to the nearly 4,000 delegates attending the convention, said, "USFS, the one we expected to show support to our culture, to us as Indian Americans in this country withdrew support." He reiterated that these sponsors 'who have challenged us by declining to participate in our event, and thereby not acknowledging and respecting our heritage, you have made us much stronger.' And at the end of Modi's speech, Patel in a review of the remarks, noted, "Like I said earlier, no politics, no religion, just opportunities in our home country."

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 26 2005, 07:39 AM

Rediff

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http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=419615 Modi gets an unlikely supporter, Sri Sri by Aziz Haniffa in Florida | March 26, 2005 17:37 IST 'Modi visit was about opportunity, not religion' Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, founder of the Art of Living Foundation and the International Association for Human Values, spoke at the annual convention of the Asian American Hotel Owners Convention on Thursday. He provided the organization with a show of support for its controversial decision to invite Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi and took a dig both at the Bush administration for declaring Modi persona non grata in the US and the coalition of groups that successfully lobbied to bring about the US action to ban Modi's entry. Sri Sri, during a long interactive session with nearly 4,000 delegates attending the convention, was asked a loaded question in the midst of a spiritual discourse. Asked to give his comments on how he views Modi, he said, after what seemed like a pregnant pause, "I don't comment on individuals because individuals are just part of one wholeness." Callous US, guilty Bush Sri Sri, who recently spoke at the United Nations and the World Economic Forum in Davos, said the thoughts that come to every individual and the way an individual acts are not governed by collectiveness consciousness. "Everybody is what you call a nimitta -- an instrument of the divine," he said. But before all this could sink in, he asserted, "So branding someone good or bad or right or wrong and boycotting them is meaningless is useless." The audience exploded in applause. "Every individual has done something good for society," he continued, "and knowingly or unknowingly something bad might happen from an individual. So when someone does something wrong, don't hold him a culprit all his life." Sri Sri noted that he and his followers 'we go and teach our program in the prisons around the world and I look into the eyes of all those prisoners... they are beautiful people... they are nice people." He argued "situations, circumstances, might have made them do something, but we should be beyond all these little happenings." Sri Sri asserted that 'I haven't seen one bad human being on the planet. So, I don't find any reason to excommunicate any one person. It's really foolish.' He acknowledged that 'actually, I also got a letter asking me not to come to this conference -- to boycott it. I said, in my world there is nobody I can boycott and I am not going to do it. I am just going to come." The audience went wild. Sri Sri then went on to talk about the unprecedented progress that was occurring in Gujarat under the Modi administration. He noted that more than 40,000 dams had been constructed in just one year. "The water level has come up in Gujarat so much. People are so happy," he said. "In the villages for the first time in many years there is enough water for the people -- even in drought-hit areas. So see the positive things that are happening and tell the person all the nice things the person has done. You will uplift the goodness in people," he said. Sri Sri reiterated, apparently referring to the sustained campaign against Modi, "If you always keep telling a person of all the negative things all the time, the person gets frustrated."

Posted by: abdul_bin_mao Mar 26 2005, 12:28 PM

ashyam: You may want to check out additions to the "hu nu about godhra" thread for more ungainic info.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 26 2005, 04:55 PM

http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=89738

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Modi visa issue figures in WB assembly [India News] Kolkata, March 23 : The Trinamool Congress, an NDA ally, today slammed the CPI(M) for choosing to 'remain silent' on the US decision to deny a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. "It's intriguing that the CPI(M) which is so vocal against imperialism was silent on the reckless decision on the part of the American government to deny a visa to Modi, who has been democratically elected," Leader of the Opposition and and senior Trinamool leader Pankaj Banerjee told the assembly. Raising the issue, Banerjee said the denial of visa by the US was uncalled for and a pointer to the imperialist threat since no court in India had held Modi guilty for inciting riots. PTI

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 26 2005, 06:27 PM

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'Denial of facts unfortunate' PTI/ Ahmedabad A statement by the Gujarat Government said the cancellation of Modi's visit was taken through consensus with the Centre and termed as "unfortunate" the PMO's statement that Manmohan Singh did not call up Modi to advise him to call off his trip. "It is highly unfortunate that denials are made of facts that led to the cancellation of the visit," said the statement. "It is highly regrettable that a matter like this should be tackled in this manner especially when the State Government has fully respected the feelings of Government of India on a sensitive issue like security," the statement said further.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 26 2005, 06:30 PM

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Modi cancelled trip after specific threat to his life Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi cancelled his visit to the UK because of credible information gathered by central intelligence operatives about a "specific threat to his life", according to top official sources. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Home Minister Shivraj Patil were concerned about Mr Modi's security and the possible fallout of an attempt to assassinate him. Their concern was further heightened after the UK conveyed its "inability to provide official security cover to Mr Modi as he would be on a private visit," the sources said. On Thursday night, around the same time when Mr Modi was addressing the Asian American Hotel Owners' Association convention at Fort Lauderdale, Florida, via live video link-up, after being denied a visa by the US, his Chief Secretary received an urgent telephone call from the Union Home Secretary. There were two messages for Mr Modi. First, about the specific threat to his life from "Dawood Ibrahim's gang and jehadi groups, including Al Qaeda affiliates, that have a strong presence in the UK". Second, if he decided to go ahead with the visit, he should put a contingency plan in position to cope with the fallout in the event of an attempt on his life, the sources added. There was a third message, too: Could Mr Modi please speak to Mr Patil? As soon as Mr Modi was through with his video-conferencing, he was informed about the Home Secretary's telephone call. Mr Modi, who was scheduled to leave for London on Friday evening, wasted no time in getting on the telephone line with Mr Patil. The Home Minister explained the situation to Mr Modi and requested him not to see it from a political angle. However, Mr Patil told Mr Modi that he was free to decide whether to go ahead with the visit or cancel it. It was also suggested to Mr Modi that perhaps he could speak to the Prime Minister, to which he promptly agreed. When Mr Modi called the Prime Minister's residence, it was pushing 10 pm. He was told that the Prime Minister was busy and would call him back, which he did within the next few minutes. Mr Manmohan Singh gently explained the situation and added that in view of the security threat, it would be advisable to cancel the visit. But Mr Manmohan Singh, too, stressed that the final decision rested with Mr Modi, the sources said. At this stage Mr Modi decided to check the situation with BJP President L.K. Advani. The Prime Minister had already spoken to Mr Advani. Mr Modi sought his party leader's advice. Mr Advani is believed to have told him to go by the Prime Minister's advice. Mr Modi, who by then had begun to have second thoughts, readily agreed with Mr Advani and called Mr Patil to convey his decision. An official announcement cancelling Mr Modi's three-day UK visit was made around 10.30 pm. What remains unresolved is the British Government's claimed inability to provide security cover to Mr Modi during his proposed private visit. By the same logic, thousands of Indians, including prominent senior defence forces personnel, industrialists, politicians, scientists and writers, many of whom have been involved in fighting jehadi terror or have taken a public position against Al Qaeda and radical Islam, who visit the UK every year do not merit any protection from the British Government. Finsbury Park mosque, made famous by Abu Hamza al Masri, it would seem, wields greater clout than Whitehall.
Islamic Republic of Londonistan, baby. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 26 2005, 06:35 PM

Somebody please explain to me how is Sadiq's case the same as Modi's case ? How is he an undisputed leader of "20 crore muslims of India" ? Am wondering what CAG feels about this ?? And who is "Asian Alliance" ?? Have never heard of them before ?

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'Govt should take up Sadiq issue with US' Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi/ Lucknow The US decision to deny entry to noted Shia cleric Kalbe Sadiq has attracted all-around criticism in the country. The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) on Friday condemned the action, saying that it would further alienate Muslims from America. The Friday prayers in the Shia localities in Lucknow saw the outpouring of extreme reaction. Claiming that America's image with the Muslim community was already not very good, AIMPLB spokesman SQR Iliyasi said such incidents would only provoke "anti-US sentiments" among them. Leaders from the community on Friday asked the Centre to take up the matter with the US Government. "The Indian Government acted swiftly in condemning the denial of visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi recently and it should now take up the issue of Kalbe Sadiq's interrogation at the airport and his deportation to London without any rhyme or reason with its counterparts in the US," Shia cleric and Imam-e-Juma of the Ssifi Mosque, Kalbe Kawwad said in Lucknow. Describing Kalbe Sadiq as an undisputed leader of the Muslims, Kawwad said "the shabby and insulting treatment meted out to him (Sadiq) by the immigration authorities in the US is the insult of the entire community." "The Government should act fast or else we shall be compelled to decide our own action plan which could include preventing US citizens from visiting our country as a retaliatory move," he said. Addressing the majlis after the Friday prayers, Jawwad criticised the US move and pointed out that while Sadiq was denied entry, president of the newly-formed All India Shia Personal Law Board Maulana Atthar had been touring the US without any hitch. Jawwad had alleged that the US had plotted the division of Muslims by "managing" Atthar and others to form a Shia board in opposition to the umbrella body of AIMPLB. Sadiq had reached the Chicago International Airport on March 17 to attend a religious function but was denied permission to enter the country and deported to London, after being subjected to intensive quizzing by immigration officials, son Kalbe Hussain said. The Islamic Council of India accused the US of an anti-Muslim bias. "It's a shameful incident and an attack on the democratic rights of 20 crore Muslims of India," the Islamic Council said in a statement. It alleged that the American officials asked the Maulana during his detention if he knew how to make bombs. In its reaction, Asian Alliance, another body of Muslims in Delhi, stated that ill-treatment to Kalbe Sadiq smacked of the American design to work against the "figures" who were "assets to Asian unity" as Sadiq stood against communalism besides being an Islamic scholar who was a reformist.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 26 2005, 07:37 PM

I wish the US immigration people had done a body cavity check on this mullah

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 27 2005, 10:33 AM

http://www.deepikaglobal.com/latestnews.asp?ncode=26677

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BJP demands tit-for-tat foreign policy following visa row Lucknow, Mar 27 (UNI) The BJP today demanded a ''tit-for-tat'' foreign policy following the denial of the US visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. Talking to mediapersons here, BJP general secretary and former UP Chief Minister Rajnath Singh said it was necessary the Centre adopted a retaliatory stand following the visa row. ''They have denied visa to a democratically elected Chief Minister...India had never faced such an embarrassment.'' Mr Singh also slammed the ruling UPA government at the Centre over its ''failure'' on the foreign policy front. ''For the past nine months, since the UPA came to power, Pakistan too is trying to assert itself. When Mr Vajpayee was the Prime Minister, India received the respect and admiration it deserved at the international fora,'' the former Union Minister claimed.
I dont know what Rajnath is boasting about. The kandahar sellout was as bad as this. But I do agree that there must be retaliation.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 27 2005, 11:15 AM

This goes to show how slavish Indians are. Nationalism now has to be enclosed within quotes followed by qualifiers like piety. Nationalism for these slaves has become a curse, an insult. Sometimes I get doubts that in case of war will some of us greet the invading army as liberators ?? http://www.iht.com/getina/files/235106.html

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The Pariah The Asian Age India | Seema Mustafa The Ugly Indian, Narendra Modi, has become an international pariah. Denied a visa by the Americans, he has had to cancel his visit to the UK for fear of being issued an arrest warrant by a British court. His plight that can be directly traced to the resolve, courage and tenacity of human rights activists in both countries as well as India, should serve as an example to all those fanatics and extremists seeking to take law into their own hands. There is a system of accountability and even if the Indian political system has lost the backbone, there are individuals and organisations who have the determination to seek and relentlessly fight for justice. The Indian political class, virtuous and jingoistic in its "nationalist" piety, has offered basically two reasons for opposing the US decision to deny a visa to Modi. One, of course is the much touted national pride. India is a sovereign country and the Americans' decision to deny a visa, and revoke two others to a constitutionally elected head of an Indian state is an insult to the country. Washington made it very clear, over and over again for even those who find it difficult to understand the stated word, that the decision was based on a US law that authorises the government to ban entry to those guilty of precisely what Modi did in Gujarat: use religion to kill. And that the decision was based not on independent investigations but on the report of the Indian National Human Rights Commission itself. Activists here have subsequently drawn attention to Supreme Court observations, fact finding reports, eye witness accounts, media reports, television records of the violence that killed over 2,000 innocent citizens in Gujarat and was justified over and over again not just by Modi but his mentors in the Sangh. Activist groups in the US have been working to mobilise public opinion for precisely such a decision since 2002. Not a stone has been left unturned by the Coalition Against Genocide that increased the high pressure campaign to a point where American hosts withdrew sponsorship for Modi events, co-speakers scheduled to address big meetings with the Ugly Indian backed off, and at least two influential Congressmen were convinced to move a resolution protesting against his entry into the US. The campaign was not against the Indian Constitution, but a major international effort led by Indians, and many of them from Gujarat, to ensure that the tenets of India's Bible were not violated by men such as Modi in the future. After all, the Constitution of India does not afford protection to those who have organised the worst kind of violence in the country, and have systematically used the police, the administration and every trick in their dirty book to prevent justice from reaching the victims. It is amazing how the BJP, Left and the Congress have come together in an ill thought out, absurd argument defending Modi — or if the Left would prefer it — Indian sovereignty as they see it. If Indian democracy had been at work, the supposed messiahs of secularism in this country — the Left and the Congress party — would have taken a leaf out of the activists' book and drummed up such a campaign that Modi would have found it difficult to contest another election in his life. If there was any regard in the political class for the Indian Constitution, the BJP would not have given a ticket to Modi and ensured that he was made to pay for the deaths of innocent Indian citizens. If there was any respect for the rule of law within India, the political parties and the grand leaders occupying centre stage of power today would have ensured that Modi was turned into a national pariah and tried for the crimes he had committed. But no, the political class sat back with the BJP leading campaigns in defence of Modi, the Left forgetting there was a Gujarat, and the Congress now using the terrain to project Sonia Gandhi through a march that has made a mockery of Gandhi's Dandi March in every sense of the term. Sonia Gandhi and her advisers should read history before trying to re-invent it in a manner that should invite contempt but only invokes deep sorrow for the Congress party as it is today. Rahul Gandhi too should remember that the Dandi March was not about walking through tough terrain and projecting personalities, it was to infuse the nation with an ideology, and that Gandhiji took nine days to cover the stretch he walked through in three hours. The second argument that has the Left parties all excited: the US decision smacks of double standards, what about Iraq? Their response, or in the case of the CPI, the absence of it, seems to hide a lurking fear that this one instance will colour the world's principled opposition to the invasion of Iraq. How can it be? Where is the link? And, after all, even countries like the US are not a monolith, there are layers of democratic opinion that have survived and will survive the likes of current President George W. Bush, and will be reflected in decisions such as this. Also, for those suffused with a grand sense of Indian importance in Washington, Modi's case has probably been decided at levels far below the White House. He is too insignificant a leader to have merited top attention in the US. So what about denying a visa to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and even Bush himself? These are some of the facile arguments drifting out of BJP and even Left headquarters. Why not? If India has the courage, and that is what we have been writing about since years, stop these visits, lead a campaign to try those responsible for the genocide in Iraq, punish them, humiliate them. But can we? We could not even protest against the gross abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US troops, we were actually toying with the proposal of sending our troops to Iraq, we could not protest when our defence minister was strip searched at an American airport… So what the hell are we talking about now? If Modi is so insulted, let him bring out a list of Most Wanted American leaders to be denied entry, if not into India, at least into Gujarat. Will he dare? No sir, he will be crawling in a moment for their attention. The activists who have campaigned against him in India and all over the world have been protesting equally vehemently against the US invasion of Iraq. But unlike the Modis who cannot tolerate dissent, it must be said that the Americans did not allow this factor to weigh against their decision on Modi. At the risk of alienating the Left, angering the BJP, though I will only be using phrases perfected by them during their years in power, confusing the confused Congress, I must commend the US for denying Modi a visa. It was a blow to communalism, a major boost for secularism, and a tight, stinging slap in the face for those who have played with our laws and our citizens. Indian democracy has been strengthened in the process, not weakened.

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 27 2005, 11:17 AM

She is not slavish She is simply a muslim

Posted by: keshto patel Mar 27 2005, 11:43 AM

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I dont know what Rajnath is boasting about. The kandahar sellout was as bad as this
Above was india's internal matter where Indian citizens became hostage and the immotions took over the rest.

Posted by: acharya Mar 27 2005, 12:09 PM

Former US officials call Modi visa denial misjudgement [U.S. News] Washington, March 25 : Some former senior State Department officials believe the decision to deny Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi a visa was unwise and has thrown up complicated questions for future US foreign policy. Despite the crimes that took place in Gujarat, they contend, using the International Religious Freedom Act and the Immigration and Nationality Act at this juncture with India has set a precedent that the State Department will find hard to live by. "I wouldn't have denied him the visa," Ambassador Dennis Kux told IANS. Kux is a senior policy scholar in the Asia programme at the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars and a retired Foreign Service South Asia specialist. "I can understand the reasons for doing it but I would have waited for court action (in India)," Kux said referring to Modi being denied a visa for "serious violation of religious freedom" for the Gujarat communal violence of 2002. "There are a lot of interest groups that demand a lot of things and this group had good credentials. And the whole thing was pretty shameful in Gujarat. But it is for the courts," he emphasised. During his 39-year foreign service career, he served three tours in India and Pakistan and was country director for India, Nepal and Sri Lanka in the State Department. Policymakers and observers say regardless of the realpolitik involved in the situation, or whether Washington did the right thing, behind all the quibbling and hair-splitting is a great human tragedy - the faces of more than 2,000 people killed, brutalised, each with a horrific recounting and a family suffering excruciating pain, a pain that Modi was in a position to ameliorate. But the State Department interpreting US law right ahead of Modi's visit has led some to speculate that it may not have been a well-thought out act. Having set a precedent now, is the State Department going to move in the future to keep out several others that in the past have been associated with "severe" religious persecution, for instance those political leaders named during the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in New Delhi, or those implicated in acts against Chechnyans in Russia, or even Beijing's Communist Party members that have moved against the Falun Gong sect or Christians in China, not to forget those who persecuted the Kashmiri Pandits? Modi's visa was denied under the International Religious Freedom Act. Passed in 1998 and strengthened in 2004 by the Intelligence Reform Act, it gives the president authority to delay, deny or cancel visits by a foreign citizen who "while serving as a foreign government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom". "It is an issue fraught with dilemmas. It has opened up something of a pandora's box for the US," said Walter Andersen, former State Department official, now associate director of the South Asian Studies department at the Johns Hopkins University. Doubting that it will be regarded as a small matter by either New Delhi or Washington, he said, "But in some ways, it does turn out to be a blunder as some people have maintained," Andersen said. "It makes Modi a martyr, it sweeps his own political problems under the rug, it makes it look like an assault on Gujarat which is what he had been touting earlier, and it also brings out a lot of anti-US feelings in the right wing of the BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party)." Foreign policy buffs also brush aside the view that the Bush administration set up Modi as an example for showing it was not rabidly anti-Islamic. "I doubt Washington sees this as a way to win favour with the Islamic world," Andersen contended. "I doubt it was the objective because I have not seen the kind of resonance coming from that part of the globe, not just now, but even during the rioting in 2002 in India, there wasn't that much reporting in the Islamic world other than in Pakistan." --Indo-Asian News Service

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 27 2005, 12:14 PM

Letter to pioneer..

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Gujarat, according to NGOs Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has been denied a visa to the US. Equanimity blended with objectivity should be the substance of our response. The UPA appears offended while the BJP is furious. The entire blame is being heaped on the world’s sole superpower. Yet it is the symptoms rather than disease that are being addressed. At fault were the NGOs whose sole preoccupation was to condemn the Modi Government. Their venomous reports and books on the riots perverted the thinking of National Human Rights Commission. The latter, in due course, joined the bandwagon of the Gujarat Government’s critics. They conveniently ignored the cause—the Godhra carnage—and railed at the consequence: The riots. Some of them diverted public attention from Godhra by laying the charge of state involvement in the rioting at Mr Modi’s door. Some even used words like ‘pogrom’. No one has taken the trouble to report that Godhra is known as ‘half-Pakistan’. Its legislative representative fled to Karachi in 1948, but returned to contest and win the 1952 general election on a Congress ticket. His name was Sadva Haji. Ismail Chundrigar from Godhra went on to become Prime Minister of Pakistan. Incidentally, it seems to have escaped notice that there are few incidents of communal riots between Hindus and Christians despite their differences. Why do clashes occur only with Muslims? One reason certainly is that, despite being Hindus themselves, "secular fundamentalists" indulge in Hindu-bashing and self-flagellation. It is also forgotten that after Independence, Pakistan was cleansed of Hindus and Sikhs. Likewise, the Kashmir Valley was cleansed of the Pandits under the very nose of the Government of India. Obviously, most foreign correspondents in India read the English language press, watch TV and file their reports. What else could anyone living abroad—including US State Department officials—absorb save distortions of events? No Indian reminds the Americans that marauding raids began in India in AD 712 when Mohd bin Qasim invaded Sindh, or that these are still continuing in Kashmir, essentially a Hindu-Muslim dispute. One may recall the eight crusades for the recovery of Jerusalem and the Holy Sepulchre fought between 1095 and 1270. One could then flash forward to the one resumed: 9/11. Prafull Goradia ,General Secretary Jana Sangh

Posted by: keshto patel Mar 27 2005, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (rajesh_g @ Mar 28 2005, 12:44 AM)
Letter to pioneer..
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Gujarat, according to NGOs Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has been denied a visa to the US. Equanimity blended with objectivity should be the substance of our response. The UPA appears offended while the BJP is furious. The entire blame is being heaped on the world’s sole superpower. Yet it is the symptoms rather than disease that are being addressed. At fault were the NGOs whose sole preoccupation was to condemn the Modi Government. Their venomous reports and books on the riots perverted the thinking of National Human Rights Commission. The latter, in due course, joined the bandwagon of the Gujarat Government’s critics. They conveniently ignored the cause—the Godhra carnage—and railed at the consequence: The riots. Some of them diverted public attention from Godhra by laying the charge of state involvement in the rioting at Mr Modi’s door. Some even used words like ‘pogrom’. No one has taken the trouble to report that Godhra is known as ‘half-Pakistan’. Its legislative representative fled to Karachi in 1948, but returned to contest and win the 1952 general election on a Congress ticket. His name was Sadva Haji. Ismail Chundrigar from Godhra went on to become Prime Minister of Pakistan. Incidentally, it seems to have escaped notice that there are few incidents of communal riots between Hindus and Christians despite their differences. Why do clashes occur only with Muslims? One reason certainly is that, despite being Hindus themselves, "secular fundamentalists" indulge in Hindu-bashing and self-flagellation. It is also forgotten that after Independence, Pakistan was cleansed of Hindus and Sikhs. Likewise, the Kashmir Valley was cleansed of the Pandits under the very nose of the Government of India. Obviously, most foreign correspondents in India read the English language press, watch TV and file their reports. What else could anyone living abroad—including US State Department officials—absorb save distortions of events? No Indian reminds the Americans that marauding raids began in India in AD 712 when Mohd bin Qasim invaded Sindh, or that these are still continuing in Kashmir, essentially a Hindu-Muslim dispute. One may recall the eight crusades for the recovery of Jerusalem and the Holy Sepulchre fought between 1095 and 1270. One could then flash forward to the one resumed: 9/11. Prafull Goradia ,General Secretary Jana Sangh
Crux of the matter is foreign funds (ISI) into Indian NGOs kitty, and Human Rights body is overloaded with lefties. Induct hindus in Human Right Force. Pass laws for NGOs to declare the source of their funds a la teesta the traitor. Big money is flowing from pakistan to indian muslims to work against hindus in every feild. As long as hindus are not filtered into crucial forces of India like police and judiciary, traitors will breed. One better n cheaper option for hindus to start a PIL ( public interest litigation ) army with little funds and hindu attornies whenever there is a injustice against hindus, move those PILs till the end (supreme court). If one man show teesta can do it, then shame on 800 million hindus.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 27 2005, 01:07 PM

http://telegraphindia.com/1050327/asp/frontpage/story_4540229.asp

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In some ways, the problems for Modi are likely to get worse. Having forced him to call off his trip, the campaign is now likely to focus on seeking an economic boycott of Gujarat. “How can Gujarat expect to attract inward investment and thrive as a laissez faire economy when their citizens are encouraged to riot, loot and murder and their chief minister is shunned by the international community?” commented Dawood. “Today’s economic reality is that of globalisation, in the same way Modi is becoming a pariah, so is Gujarat.” Dawood added: “This could be the start of a sustained campaign against Gujarat.”

Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 27 2005, 07:25 PM

Investment decisions is made by private individuals Hindu NRI Gujuratis consider Modi a hero for crushing jihadis and their investments will pour in Compare since 2002, NRI investment into Gujurat vs Secular West Bengal

Posted by: narayanan Mar 27 2005, 07:34 PM

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Front Page RSS skeleton in Cong closet, even BJP is red-faced SANGH: Cong leader came for personal deal; we voted for them in 2001 unilaterally: local unit RAJEEV P I Vayalar RaviKOCHI, MARCH 27 RSS chief K S Sudarshan’s statement that the Congress in Kerala had sought and got his organisation’s support in the Assembly election in 2001 has embarrassed both the Congress and the BJP which has been struggling to find a place on the state’s electoral map. While the Congress has denied such a deal, the RSS state leadership has confirmed that senior Congress leader Vayalar Ravi had approached it for help in a bypoll and not the 2001 election as its chief stated in an interview. ‘‘Ravi’s overtures, however, were turned down since he insisted on keeping the arrangement discreet,’’ A R Mohanan, state secretary of the RSS told The Indian Express today. Sudarshan told India Today that his outfit and the BJP had helped the Congress win the 2001 Assembly polls after Ravi approached them, and that the Congress was clobbered in the 2004 Lok Sabha poll because the RSS did not help. Ravi and the KPCC have hotly denied the charge. While Ravi says he had never, ever, met the RSS leader, and had no business to broker votes since he held no office in the party’s state unit then, KPCC chief Thennala Balakrishna Pillai rejected the idea saying it was ‘‘preposterous.’’ But the RSS leadership is refusing to buy that, and has given a new twist to the controversy. It told The Indian Express that what Sudarshan mentioned were really two different points that got mixed up. One was that Ravi had approached the RSS for votes, for himself — this was while he was contesting the Assembly bypoll from Cherthala in the 1990s. Then later, during the 2001 Assembly poll, the RSS had taken a conscious decision to defeat the CPM, which naturally meant rooting for the Congress. It was a unilateral move. ‘‘Ravi drove down to the State Headquarters of our organisation at Elamakkara in Kochi one night, just before the Cherthala bypoll. He called on our Prantha Pracharak R Hari and requested him to divert our significant strength in Cherthala constituency for him. This was unexpected, and Hari told him that we don’t make political deals under cover of darkness, and told him to come for negotiations if and when his situation allowed him to do that openly,’’ Mohanan said. Mohan says things were different during the 2001 polls. The bloody battles between the CPM and the Congress were at its peak, and cadres of both were being bombed or hacked to death almost daily. The RSS-BJP combine bore the brunt: some of their key men in north Kerala were killed, and they vowed to keep the CPM out of power. ‘‘Our state leaders debated this at Tripunithura, under the guidance of Mohan Bhagwat and others from the national leadership. We decided to mobilise our entire strength for the Congress candidates to defeat the CPM,’’ he says. Interestingly, the BJP, which has a 13-per cent vote share in the state now, does not want to appear that it had played along with this RSS design—not even in constituencies where it could greatly help make the Congress win. ‘‘We had nothing to do with it. We were not consulted, and we did not ask our people to do it,’’ claims state BJP president P S Sreedharan Pillai. Not that the BJP in Kerala had never done that. It is yet to live down the infamy of its Lok Sabha alliance against the CPM in the early ’90s with the Congress and the Muslim League, in Vadakara and Beypore. Though the party later owned it up as a ‘‘strategic aberration,’’ what was more damaging was the confidential report of the BJP’s own official committee which looked into it for the party’s national leadership. The probe report clearly highlighted how the party’s votes were being diverted by its own local satraps, how even its senior state leaders have been palming off party votes en bloc in return for both money and other considerations, and how the party was getting into clandestine deals. The BJP has considerable negotiating room in Kerala, considering that the win-lose margin between the two fronts led by the Congress and CPM in Kerala is often less that two per cent of the votes polled. A few thousand BJP votes shifted strategically could alter a poll’s outcome. Sreedharan Pillai, however, claims that vote diversions don’t happen anymore. ‘‘We have since resolved that there would be no more hijacking of our votes for any party—by anyone. We did not let at least BJP votes go to the Congress in 2001. I can’t talk for our fellow organisations,’’ he maintained. The CPM, which has repeatedly said that there were clandestine RSS-Cong deal, is delighted as Sudershan’s statement gives them another chance to claim the Muslim vote it has been desperate to get. ‘‘If a senior leader like Ravi has done it, it must have been with the permission of the party leadership. It’s sad that the Congress had to stoop to such levels and it (the deal) shows how secular that party is,’’ said CPM secretary Pinarayi Vijayan. URL: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=67259
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Posted by: Viren Mar 28 2005, 09:57 AM

http://www.flonnet.com/fl2207/stories/20050408003313100.htm

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WITHIN the Indian American community, news of the revocation increased political divisions. A long-time community organiser and founder of numerous Indian American groups (most notably chair of the Global Organisation of People of Indian Origin), Thomas Abraham, is happy that Narendra Modi will not get a platform but he is worried about the fallout in the U.S. "As a new immigrant group in America," he said, "we want to avoid division of the Indian community on the political lines of India."
check out Thomas Abraham's political affiliations...on the Sonia Gandhi's website! http://www.soniagandhi.org/php/showNews.php?newsid=88&linkid=4
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Indian National overseas Congress (USA) celebrates Congress Victory Indian National overseas Congress (USA) celebrates Congress Victory - Monday, May 17 Members of the Indian National Overseas Congress came together on Monday, 17th evening to celebrate the stunning victory of the Congress party in India. The participants seemed savor the unexpected turn of events and credited Smt. Sonia Gandhi for her brilliant leadership and visionary skills in cobbling together the UPA (United Progressive Alliance) that brought about the success in the polling booths.. There were 400 people who were in attendance among them Hon. Consul General Rathji and several community leaders eminent Indians such as Mr. Gopal Raju, Prof. Maya Chadda, Mr. Sunil Deshmukh, Dr. Thomas Abraham, Mr. Saeed Patel and Dr. Abdul Aziz.. In opening the meeting, Dr. Najma Sultana, of the INOC saluted the people of India, Indian democracy and Mrs. Sonia Gandhi and her team. In the welcome speech, George Abraham, the General Secretary of INOC stated 'We have the smartest electorate anywhere in the world. They have made all of us proud. We have shown it to the world that we have a vibrant democracy and it works'. He added that the People of India has spoken loud and clear that they wanted a Government that concentrates on the real issues the people face in their everyday life such as Education, jobs, housing, clean water, rural development and so forth not on divisive issues such as building temples and so forth. He welcomed all the NRIs to come together to strengthen the democratic and secular framework of India. Dr. Surinder Malhotra, the President of INOC spoke of the longstanding tradition of the Congress party working with the rural poor to build a more equitable society. He sighted congress campaigns such as 'garibi hatao' and the success of the green revolution as an example of the party's commitment to the rural folks. 'Communalism is only counter-productive to the peaceful development of any society and the Indian electorate seemed to have given a stinging rebuke to the policies of plans of BJP in the last 5 years' Dr. Ram Das Sethi, Dr. J.S. Chandan, Mr. Jose George, Mr. Mike Singh, Mr. Mohinder Singh, Mr. Charan Singh, Mr. Girish Vidya also spoke. Mr. Shudh Jasuja was the emcee.

Posted by: Viren Mar 28 2005, 02:12 PM

http://www.indiareacts.com/nati2.asp?recno=3233

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Leak stopped Modi’s UK trip 28 March 2005: Whether or not prime minister Manmohan Singh dissuaded Narendra Modi from his UK trip, L.K.Advani certainly warned him of a leaked Congress plan to impose President’s rule in Gujarat, in case the chief minister was detained in London. Top sources said that the Congress party was in a tizzy after Manmohan Singh condemned the US in Parliament for revoking Modi’s diplomatic and tourist visas, because the BJP commenced to tout this as a “clean chit” for Modi in respect of the post-Godhra Gujarat riots. At a top level meeting of the Congress leadership, in which foreign minister Natwar Singh and home minister Shivraj Patil were called, it was decided to arrest this trend, where the UPA government was seen to be coming increasingly to the defence of Modi, thereby making it tough to oust him through a political campaign in Gujarat. Developments in UK then came in handy, when groups and lawyers representing Gujarat riot victims convinced the Tony Blair government not to provide security to Modi, since he was coming on a personal visit, and there were hectic plans to move the courts to detain him, using the precedence of Augusto Pinochet’s detention in October 1998. Separately, Patil conveyed this UK development to Advani, and the Union home secretary called the Gujarat government, and when Modi insisted on making the visit, the Congress party fell to the second stage of the plan, which was to rush paramilitary forces to Gujarat in case the chief minister was detained in the UK, and use that as an excuse to impose President’s rule. Top Congress party sources said that everyone was convinced that Modi would adamantly make the visit, and it would pave the way for President’s rule in Gujarat, except that sometime during the day, the plan leaked to Advani, who promptly communicated it to the chief minister, who then hid behind communications with the PM, and dropped the trip. The Congress leadership is greatly upset with Manmohan Singh and Patil because in their eagerness to remain correct and constitutional, they are losing sight of the “political requirements” of the party.

Posted by: Dev Mar 28 2005, 02:21 PM

What pieces of garbage these Congressis are??? My god, with Indians like these who needs enemies? The trend that needs to be arrested is nationalism becoming a bad word. It is not at all surprising what befell India over the thousands of past years. I just hope BJP carries on the political witch hunt ruthlessly when they come back to power.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 28 2005, 06:52 PM

The above article makes no sense.. 1. This would have been a huge opp for both LKA and Modi. 2. Congress wouldnt have pulled this stunt so close to Jharkhand/Goa/Bihar fiascos. 3. From Indian perspective, UK wouldnt dare to pull this stunt. 4. Cant be a BJP plant as this story makes LKA and Modi look bad. 5. Cant be a Congress plant as this story makes them look horrible. Looks like fabrication of a fertile mind or CAG plant.

Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 28 2005, 07:05 PM

What if the above story was a plant to make certain Congress leaders make look bad?

Posted by: keshto patel Mar 28 2005, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (Dev @ Mar 29 2005, 02:51 AM)
What pieces of garbage these Congressis are??? My god, with Indians like these who needs enemies? The trend that needs to be arrested is nationalism becoming a bad word. It is not at all surprising what befell India over the thousands of past years. I just hope BJP carries on the political witch hunt ruthlessly when they come back to power.
During ancient times we had just one jaichand who made the difference, but right now India is a land of 1000 traitors.

Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 28 2005, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (vijnan_anand @ Mar 28 2005, 07:05 PM)
What if the above story was a plant to make certain Congress leaders make look bad?
Who ? Why ? Is it even worth it ?

Posted by: Viren Mar 28 2005, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (rajesh_g @ Mar 28 2005, 09:52 PM)
The above article makes no sense..
On the contrary, there could be something in here..
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2. Congress wouldnt have pulled this stunt so close to Jharkhand/Goa/Bihar fiascos.
Election results came in mid-Feb. Around the time CAG website http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=coalitionagainstgenocide.com. I'd say preparation for boycotting Modi in US was underway before the elections. Some prominent Congress supporters in US have lead the CAG initative. Their General Sec is one of the 6 signatories along with Anagana C, Ashiwini etc... Were they acting with any input from Congress in India? If yes, was Manmohan and Patil in the loop? Or are they playing the good cop bad cop routine - by design? Or out of necessity? Any of you believe that the Gen Sec of Oveseas Indian Congress will act without okay from high command? Remember we are talking about Congress which really is a synonym for sycophancy.
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3. From Indian perspective, UK wouldnt dare to pull this stunt.
Don't count on it. Remember reading something about poddles and cooked up dossiers?
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4. Cant be a BJP plant as this story makes LKA and Modi look bad.
There have been reports of internal dissent trying to pull Modi down. If anything, I'd say this makes the party look united and LKA firmly behind Modi. Also didn't LKA attend the Swabhiman rally?

Posted by: Mudy Mar 28 2005, 08:36 PM

CAG, Biju, Angana, TS are Congress/Commie stooges. Whole effort was directly or indirectly had Congress and Indian Embassy blessing. UK drama is Congress game plan. Mudmohan and Patil are nobody or they are acting like nobody. But slowly things will come out. My question, why Indian Government is not rasing question against all these group who are working against India's interest? No statement came out against these groups. This defunk UPA is silent about Air India crash case outcome, F16, Modi etc. Mudmohan just released one statement and went back to his den.

Posted by: SSridhar Mar 29 2005, 10:17 PM

http://www.hindu.com/2005/03/30/stories/2005033001911000.htm

Posted by: k.ram Mar 30 2005, 03:21 AM

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Gujarat government quotes US crime rates [India News]: Ahmedabad, March 18 : Accused by the US of a questionable record in human rights, the Narendra Modi government in Gujarat Friday hit back by highlighting America's crime records. "What kind of human rights is the US administration talking about? Human rights of African-Americans are violated day in and day out in the US," it said in a statement distributed at a news conference here by Modi. Modi addressed the press shortly after the US publicly denied him a visa to visit that country for his alleged role in the 2002 sectarian violence in Gujarat. "India has a population of over 1,000 million compared to the US population of less than 300 million. India's police force is not as well equipped as the US law enforcement authorities. And yet, India's crime rate has been far lower than that in the US," the statement said. It compared crime rates for one million of the population in Gujarat, India and the US, recording 2.2, 3.1 and 4.1 murders, respectively. "Washington sees about 2,000 murders a year, which is more than the number of murders that take place in the whole of Gujarat. The US needs to first look at the plight of its own citizens, who constantly live in the shadow of fear, rather than teach India humanity and human rights," the statement said. "Is the US the sole guardian of religious minorities all over the world? A fairly large number of hate crimes took place in the US after 9/11. Some of them have been sorted out and some have not been. Should President Bush be held responsible for those crimes? "In the US, hate crimes have risen steadily from 2001 onwards, that is, post-9/11. Should India stop issuing visas to visiting US officials?" it said. http://news.newkerala.com/india-news/?action=fullnews&id=87468

Posted by: utepian Mar 30 2005, 05:50 AM

From Sulekha (Indian Express) http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=419852 Modi better curb his wanderlust Lavanya Rajamani from Queens College Cambridge is the latest addition to the Angana, Biju cabal.

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The US is acting within the bounds of international law in denying Modi a visa. They do not need to await the outcomes of our slow judicial process before closing their borders.

Posted by: utepian Mar 30 2005, 09:14 PM

TV Asia just featured the 2005 AAHOA conference in Ft Lauderdale, FL. These were the highlights. 1. Terry Bradshaw did address the conference and talked about motivation. 2. Narendra Modi addressed the conference and remarked the following (i) AAHOA is one of the biggest employers in America (ii) AAHOA is one of the biggest buyers of insurance in America. (iii)AAHOA is the biggest customer of newspapers in America. (iv) AAHOA is the pride of Gujarat. 3. Mike Patel was interviewed. Said AAHOA misses Narendra Modi very much. Said AAHOA showed unprecedented solidarity in inviting Modi. 4. AAHOA has hundreds of women leaders. 5. Shilpa Shetty did not dance but addressed the womens leaders conference. 6. Sri Sri Ravishankar addressed the conference. 7. Dinesh D'Souza addressed the conference and told how he got into politics. 8. Annu Kapoor hosted a Antakshari for the audience.

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Posted by: Dev Mar 31 2005, 11:16 AM

Can the recent anti-BJP (modi, report on rewriting of school textbooks by UPA etc.) stand of the US be explained by the following? - Payback for NDA administration not sending troops to Iraq - Bush admin II don't have to be re-elected I think BJP must bring Modi to the Center when they come to power. I would personally like to see him as Defence Minister or Minister of External Affairs. Narendra Modi is quite capable of paying back the US in the same coin.

Posted by: ramana Mar 31 2005, 02:17 PM

I think there is fallout from the visa denial outrage on the US New Strategic partnership moves. The BJP and the NDA are not supportive of the US moves and are showing their displeasure. The DDM is lamenting that they are not playing ball with the UPA. Eg. Inder Malhotra is chiding them for not giving cover to UPA for the MRCA offer from US. So by meddling in local politcs in India the US is not able to achieve larger objectives.

Posted by: acharya Mar 31 2005, 02:40 PM

By medddling inside Indian politics US has created disharmony in the Indian polity and decision making which will reduce Indian geo-political influence. One Visa has created enough disharmony to threaten the political center

Posted by: k.ram Apr 1 2005, 07:57 AM

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Awaaz: South Asia Watch Announcement The Gujarat Genocide: A barbaric and planned tragedy PUBLIC FORUM Tuesday 5th April 2005: From 3.30 pm to 6.30 pm Moses Room, House of Lords, Parliament, London SW1 Invited speakers include: Lord Adam Patel; MP's John McDonnell, Jeremy Corbyn, Marsha Singh et al; Anand Grover (Lawyers Collective representing the Dawood Family in India); Bilal Dawood; Purna Sen (Amnesty International); Imran Khan (Civil Rights Lawyer); Chetan Bhatt (Awaaz and Lecturer at Goldsmith College, London University); and Indian Muslim Federation. Chair: Suresh Grover (Dawood Family Campaign and Director of Awaaz and The Monitoring Group) Over the last fourteen days the horror of the Gujarat tragedy has become internationally recognised. Firstly, in an unprecedented action, the American Government banned the Indian state's Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, viewed as the chief architect of the Genocide against Muslims in 2002, from entering the USA. Secondly, fearing large scale mass protests against him, Modi decided to duck international opposition and scrutiny by cancelling his much publicised opportunistic visit to the UK last week. In our campaign to Stop Modi, we urged all progressive & human rights organisations and individuals to protest at the presence of Modi in the UK and mount peaceful demonstrations at places where he was scheduled to speak. We made forceful representations to the British Government not allow him into the United Kingdom and organised strong counter phone and email campaigns aimed at those agencies financing or hosting his alleged meetings. Awaaz - South Asia Watch congratulates all those who participated in this tremendous and collective effort. Only international pressure and spotlight on Modi can ensure some semblance of justice for the victims of the pre-meditated carnage. WE URGE YOU TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO ATTEND THE MEETING on 5th APRIL.

Posted by: Viren Apr 1 2005, 08:05 AM

Who are these people ohmy.gif

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Lord Adam Patel; (wasn't he the lead 'awaz' on the attack on Sewa International?) MP's John McDonnell, Jeremy Corbyn, Marsha Singh et al; Anand Grover (Lawyers Collective representing the Dawood Family in India); Bilal Dawood; Purna Sen (Amnesty International); Imran Khan (Civil Rights Lawyer); Chetan Bhatt (Awaaz and Lecturer at Goldsmith College, London University); and Indian Muslim Federation. Chair: Suresh Grover (Dawood Family Campaign and Director of Awaaz and The Monitoring Group)
Too many Dawood sightings here - any Paki D-Company company connections ohmy.gif

Posted by: keshto patel Apr 2 2005, 02:10 PM

What was FBI doing at AAHOA convention FL;) Anyone?

Posted by: keshto patel Apr 2 2005, 02:17 PM

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Who are these people ohmy.gif
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Lord Adam Patel; (wasn't he the lead 'awaz' on the attack on Sewa International?) MP's John McDonnell, Jeremy Corbyn, Marsha Singh et al; Anand Grover (Lawyers Collective representing the Dawood Family in India); Bilal Dawood; Purna Sen (Amnesty International); Imran Khan (Civil Rights Lawyer); Chetan Bhatt (Awaaz and Lecturer at Goldsmith College, London University); and Indian Muslim Federation. Chair: Suresh Grover (Dawood Family Campaign and Director of Awaaz and The Monitoring Group)
Too many Dawood sightings here - any Paki D-Company company connections
Where there are suckers there are swindlers. While Arabia is land of thousand nights, India is a land of 1000 traitors. Sir ji jidher lobhi ho uder thogi bhukh nahi marte. Its our job to clean our house first, without which I dont see any progress, on the contrary I see US coercion on religious grounds. Looking at laloos and CPI pakistan would do more godhras, and Indians would pay through their nose. Pakistan has found a nice mechanism this time after what happened to modi.

Posted by: Viren Apr 2 2005, 10:43 PM

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SECULARIST DOUBLECROSS BEHIND VISA DENIAL Rogue elements within the Indian Government fed false information to deceive the U.S. State Department. Their agenda to sabotage growing Indo-U.S. relations in the war against terrorism. N.S. Rajaram Diplomatic gaffe There is an influential group of rogue elements that has wormed its way into the Indian Government that is bent on sabotaging growing Indo-American relations in defense and anti-terrorism. That is the picture emerging from individuals close to the Indian government as well as U.S. diplomatic sources. The newly appointed Secretary of State Dr. Condolezza Rice is known to be friendly towards India. Yet, on the heels of her maiden visit to the region as Secretary of State, she found herself embroiled in a major controversy over a relatively minor issue like visa to a local politician. She had more important things to do. But as a result of this inadvertent diplomatic gaffe, the State Department is now engaged in a damage control exercise, no matter what its public posture. (A great power like the U.S. can hardly admit that it committed a blunder.) It was not supposed to happen this way, especially since Dr. Rice was the highest U.S. official to visit the region after President Bush's second inauguration. One can never be sure, especially after the diplomatic gaffe over visa denial, but Dr Rice seems to have come with irections to make two major announcements. First, an October visit to India and Pakistan by President Bush. Second, increased defense and technology cooperation with both India and Pakistan against the background of improving Indo-Pak relations. The major beneficiary would be India in both defense and nuclear technology. This was derailed by rogue elements within the Indian Government, which managed to deceive some American officials by feeding false information. They told State Department officials that the Indian public would overwhelmingly welcome any U.S. action against the Gujarat CM Narendra Modi, who they assured was extremely unpopular in India. Believing this would be seen as a friendly gesture to further improve Indo-U.S. ties, the U.S. announced denial of visa to Modi. The Indian reaction was exactly the opposite of what the U.S. had been told. They were totally unprepared for it- with Indians seeing the decision as an assault on India's sovereignty. The U.S. had committed a major diplomatic blunder over a relatively minor issue. Rogue elements: their agenda Who was behind this act of sabotage? Accounts vary in detail, but all agree on one point: the initiative to deny visa to Modi came from the Indian side, and from people at the highest levels of the Indian Government, possibly the PMO itself, though as usual, Sri Manmohan Singh was kept in the dark. It is no secret that in the present government, political cronies and court favorites- anti-Hindu activists and sundry missionaries enjoy extraordinary influence. Now, some of them have wormed their way into an outfit close to the U.S. State Department. Their identity came out in the open within a week, when the United States Commission for International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) released a 283-page report "Supporting Human Rights and Democracy." What is strange about this report is that it compliments the UPA but reiterated its concern over the situation in Gujarat- about school textbooks of all things! In a condescending tone, the report observes: "Following its electoral victory in May, the government [UPA] began to address a number of human rights concerns that have arisen in recent years. For example, it moved quickly to rewrite school textbooks..." This is a dead giveaway. Since when did the U.S. Government begin to worry about textbooks in Gujarat schools? Actually, what the report contains is a word-for-word reproduction of numerous charges by Indian secularists, especially Christian missionary activists like Father Cederick Prakash, George Sajjan and others of their ilk carrying on anti-Hindu propaganda under the cover of "human rights." They used their contacts in the U.S. Christian Right (evangelicals) to get their input into the USCIRF report. Then they used their media contacts in India to give exaggerated importance to this part of this unreadable and never read report as "State Department" policy, which the gullible Indian media seems to have swallowed. The truth of the matter is that USCIRF is not a government body but a commission of outside experts on contract to the Government. (I have served in similar capacity for NASA and other U.S. organizations.) Their reports are signed off by a relatively minor bureaucrat (called a "contract monitor"), and are filed away into obscurity. What made it different this time were two initiatives: (1) a successful effort by moles in the Indian Government to mislead the U.S. leading to Modi's visa denial; (2) a media campaign for their input into the USCIRF report with exaggerated claims. It is no accident that the head of the USCIRF happens to be one Priya Bansal, an Indian American with close ties to Gujarat based Christian organizations. There is more to this treachery than hatred of Modi. It is part of a larger agenda to sabotage improving Indo-U.S. relations. In fact, on the heels of this setback, theU.S. made a major announcement: it wants to help India become a major power in the 21st century, which these rogue elements want stopped. Nor do they not want improved Indo-Pak relations. Keeping the conflict alive serves their interests better. In this nefarious campaign, the culprits seem to have enlisted the help of some right-wing evangelical elements and Leftist academics in America. Both are traditionally anti-Hindu. In addition, many of them intensely dislike Dr. Condoleeza Rice as too moderate and too friendly towards India. My information is that two institutions, one a university in Georgia with links to conservative Christian outfits and the other, the so-called California Institute of Integral Studies, were at the vanguard of this campaign. One cannot also rule out an element of racism in all this, for many of these Christian right-wingers are only one generation removed from the Civil Rights Movement, which they bitterly opposed. They see Dr. Rice as a moderate African American, and a brilliant and successful one to boot. (Indian Christians of course prefer to associate with whites and generally avoid blacks as I have noticed in the U.S. Their wish is to see India ruled again by white people. Dysfunctional government What seems to have caught the Americans on the wrong foot was the near dysfunctional state of the UPA Government with its multiple power centers (and without accountability). After nearly six years dealing with a capable government with firm direction and strong leadership, they did not expect to be blindsided by rogue elements going over the Prime Minister's head and meddling in international relations. Americans took their statements about Modi in good faith, only to be stabbed in the back. It was a classic case of double cross. One can be sure that Americans have taken note of this and will be more careful in the future. A great power does not like to be made a fool of. The U.S. Government is not the UPA government and Condoleeza Rice is not Manmohan Singh. She is a brilliant and cultured person who does not surround herself with political cronies like Margaret Alva and Ajit Jogi or unscrupulous foreign adventurers like Quattrocchi, Benny Hinn- and now Grace Brenta. There are unconfirmed reports that U.S. authorities are looking into the activities and the funding sources of those behind this misadventure- like the impoverished California Institute of Integral Studies. Its loudest voice, an academic nonentity called Angana Chatterji is close to several Islamist publications and websites, where she has condemned President Bush and his policies while taking a consistently pro-Jihadi stand. She has openly boasted that she was responsible for the Modi visa denial. In the final analysis, the Indian Government and its spinelessness leadership was more to blame for this diplomatic fiasco than anyone else. But one thing is certain, "human rights" has been hijacked by Jihadi sympathizers hostile to both India and the United States. One can only hope that Indians have learnt their lesson. Americans certainly have.

Posted by: Mudy Apr 2 2005, 11:52 PM

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It is no accident that the head of the USCIRF happens to be one Priya Bansal, an Indian American with close ties to Gujarat based Christian organizations
No surprise here. Traitors!!!
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There are unconfirmed reports that U.S. authorities are looking into the activities and the funding sources of those behind this misadventure- like the impoverished California Institute of Integral Studies. Its loudest voice, an academic nonentity called Angana Chatterji is close to several Islamist publications and websites, where she has condemned President Bush and his policies while taking a consistently pro-Jihadi stand. She has openly boasted that she was responsible for the Modi visa denial.
I hope this is true.

Posted by: ashyam Apr 3 2005, 02:08 AM

Viren, Could you please post the URL? I need this for my Anti- Commie/Angana Chatterji campaign with SJMN

Posted by: agnivayu Apr 3 2005, 03:44 PM

A prominent Anglo Saxon who was denied a visa, interesting story: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050403/wl_nm/britain_thatcher_dc

Posted by: keshto patel Apr 3 2005, 07:09 PM

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Viren, Could you please post the URL? I need this for my Anti- Commie/Angana Chatterji campaign with SJMN
http://www.saag.org/BB/view.asp?msgID=15343 Must read: http://www.saag.org/BB/view.asp?msgID=15421

Posted by: ashyam Apr 3 2005, 11:53 PM

Thanks Keshto.

Posted by: Amitava Apr 4 2005, 10:37 AM

Here is Shri B. Raman's take on this issue Paper no. 1318 04. 04. 2005 DENIAL OF VISA TO MODI: BACKGROUND by B.Raman While the organisation called the Coalition Against Genocide received considerable publicity and credit for the US Government's decision to reject the request of Shri Narendra Modi, Gujarat's Chief Minister, for a visa to visit the US, it was the behind-the-scene role of four organisations, one of them associated with the US Government and the remaining three known for their proximity to the so-called neo-conservatives , which would seem to have ultimately turned the scale against Shri Modi despite initial reservations in the US State Department over the wisdom of refusing a visa to him. One of these three organisations has been playing an active role in Iraq in providing humanitarian relief to the local Christians and in mobilising the support of the Iraqi Christians for the interim Government and the US occupation authorities. 2. The organisation associated with the Government is the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, set up by an Act of Congress in 1998. It has nine members, three each nominated by the President and the two political parties. It monitors the state of religious freedom in the rest of the world and periodically reports its conclusions to the administration and the Congress, with recommendations for action against countries perceived as indulging in gross violations of the religious freedom of different sections of their population. 3. Since September 30,2002, it has been drawing the attention of the State Department to the violent incidents in Gujarat in March, 2002, to the alleged role of the Bharatiya Janata Partry (BJP) and the Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh (RSS) cadres in the anti-Muslim and anti-Christian incidents of violence reported from different parts of India, in general, and from Gujarat in particular and to the measures enacted by the Governments of Gujarat, Orissa and Tamil Nadu to prevent the forcible conversion of Hindus to Chrisitianity and Islam. 4. It had been recommending that the time had come for including India in the list of "Countries of Particular Concern" from the point of view of violation of religious freedom. The State Department had been avoiding accepting its recommendation, pointing out the vibrant role played in India by the civil society, the media, the judiciary, non-Governmental organisations and institutions such as the National Human Rights Commission, the National Minorities Commission etc in exposing instances of violation of the religious freedom of the minorities and acts of violence directed against them. Gen.Colin Powell, the then Secretary of State, Mr.Richard Armitage, the then Deputy Secretary of State, and their colleagues were reportedly of the view that it would be inappropriate to club India in this regard with countries such as Saudi Arabia, China etc. 5. The Commission also was not unanimous in its recommendations, with four of the nine members, including Ms.Preeta Bansal, its current Chairperson, reflecting the then prevailing view in the State Department about the inappropriateness of any action against India. One of the reasons for the reluctance of the State Department to act against India was the emerging strategic relationship with India since the BJP-led coalition came to power, its anxiety to retain a measure of moderating influence over New Delhi at a time of high tension in Indo-Pakistan relations in the wake of the terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament in December,2001, and the hopes of the Pentagon that the BJP-led Government would be favourably inclined to its request to send a division of the Indian Army to Iraq to assist the US-led occupation forces in the restoration of normalcy. 6. It is said that when Mr.L.K. Advani, India's then Home Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, had visited Washington DC in June,2003,he had given cause for hope during his meeting with Mr.Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, that India would be sending a Division to Iraq. The subsequent volte face of the BJP under public and opposition pressure caused considerable disappointment in the State Department and made it more receptive to the recommendations of the Commission on International Religious Freedom. Despite this, it is said, the State Department was disinclined to accept the demand of the Commission and a group of members of the Congress led by Mr.Joe Pitts (Republican from Pennsylvania) that Mr.Modi be denied a visa. 7. Amongst the Christian organisations, which then reportedly sought the intervention of Mr.Richard Cheney, the Vice-President, in the matter are the Institute on Religion and Public Policy (IRPP) headed by Mr.Joseph K. Grieboski, the Policy Institute for Religion and State (PIFRAS) and the Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD). 8. The IRPP, which projects itself as an independent organisation seeking to promote inter-religious harmony and religious freedom, has been essentially focussing on the alleged violations of the human rights of the Christians in India. It has been accusing the previous BJP-led Government as well as the present Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) Government of failing to protect the human rights of the Christians. 9. The IRPP has close networking with Mr. Benjamin Marsh, Washington Director of the Dalit Freedom Network, who is a Resident Fellow at the IRPP and reportedly helps it in drafting its reports to the State Department, the office of Mr.Cheney and Congressmen on the state of religious freedom in India. In a press statement issued on September 8,2004, it said: " Violent attacks on religious minorities in recent weeks indicate that continuous violence marring the reign of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government will continue despite the defeat of the BJP in national elections in May. Benjamin Marsh, Washington Director of the Dalit Freedom Network and a Resident Fellow at the Institute on Religion and Public Policy, commented, "Despite our hopes that the threat of violence against religious minorities would subside, nothing seems to have changed." On August 22, armed assailants attacked and beat up, a parish priest, Father John Sunderam, in Kubbu in Jharkhand state’s Lohardaga district. The attack left him in a coma and left another priest, Father Albanus Tirkey, in the hospital with injuries. On August 26, a group of 300 Hindu fundamentalists stormed the Church of Our Lady of Charity in the town of Raikia, in Orissa. The attackers burst into the church and burned Bibles while tearing down the Tabernacle and destroying statues of saints. Police was present but did not intervene. August 28, Father Job Chittilappilly was killed at his parish in the town of Thuruthiparambu in Kerala. Recent phone calls threatening him because of his pastoral activities among Hindu families leading up to the attack suggests that the murder was premeditated. Also on August 28, six people were hurt in blasts at two mosques in western India as unidentified men on motorcycles hurled bombs in Jalna town and the Parbhani district in Maharashtra. The Institute on Religion and Public Policy and the Dalit Freedom Network condemn these attacks on religious minorities in India and condemn the extremist Hindu nationalism that is at the core of the problem. Institute President Joseph K. Grieboski added, "India continues to grow as an economic and military power without enforcing existing human rights legislation. The Institute calls on the Congress-led government to provide protection and promotion of the rights of all peoples in India – irrespective of their religious affiliation – and to work actively against extremist elements in state governments." 10.. The IRPP played a very active role in mobilising the support of a number of Christian fundamentalist groups and other non-governmental organisations and sent a joint letter to Ms.Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State, in February,2005, demanding that Mr.Modi be not allowed to visit the USA. It is said that it also took up the matter with the offices of Mr.Cheney and many Congressmen and through them sought to exercise pressure on the State Department on this issue. 11. The PIFRAS is reportedly very close to the neo-conservatives, Mr.Cheney and the Pentagon. It has been allowed to open an office inside the US-military protected green zone in Baghdad in order to work among the Iraqi Christians. Its Executive Director is Mr.John Prabhudoss. Four teams of the PIFRAS headed by Mr.Prabhudoss have so far visited Iraq since its occupation under the PIFRAS' Art of Governance programme in order to promote good governance in Iraq. The first visit was in July,2003. It has opened its West Asian headquarters in Amman in order to work closely with the US authorities for the promotion of democracy in the region. 12.In a report on the fourth visit of a PIFRAS team to Baghdad, Mr. Prabhudoss said: "Members of the PIFRAS team established further contacts in the US military, specifically with the office of the Iraqi Assistance Center in an effort to ease the difficulties in establishing our program and to learn more about what else is being done in Iraq, to fine-tune the AOG program. Additionally, PIFRAS met with individuals from various CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) offices and staffs to further the organization’s understanding of the bureaucratic process and to get the institute’s name out. One individual met with, Dr. Ghoughassian, is the head of the CPA’s Ministry of Higher Education. He strongly supports the program and has been a long-time supporter of the AOG program. Finally, we met with Ambassador Jones, the deputy administrator under Ambassador Bremer. He gave PIFRAS a letter of appreciation and acknowledgement for the work being done in Iraq. The PIFRAS team was able to acquire space in the Green Zone for future offices. Through the help of the office, PIFRAS was able to find space that fits the needs of the AOG program in Iraq." 13. Its work in Iraq has brought the PIFRAS and Mr.Prabhudoss in close contact with the Pentagon, Mr.Cheney and other neo-conservatives and they reportedly used this successfully to press their request for the denial of a visa to Mr.Modi. Mr.Prabhudoss, who has reportedly many contacts in the US Congress, has also been active in the field of Indo-Pakistan relations and has been urging a close US involvement in promoting a solution to the Kashmir problem between India and Pakistan. Last year, he had reportedly led a team of peace activists to Pakistan in this connection. 14. Reportedly at the urging of Mr.Prabhudoss and others, Congressman Joe Pitts from Pennsylvania, who mobilised a number of Congressmen to write to the State Department not to issue a visa to Mr.Modi, has also joined Congressman Kevin Brady from Texas and Congressman David E.Bonior of Michigan to form a Kashmir Forum in the Congress to create a better understanding of the Kashmir issue among Congressmen. Mr.Pitts has also been demanding the appointment of a Special Envoy on the Kashmir issue by the State Department similar to the Special Envoy on the Palestine issue. 15. The IRD, which projects itself as “an ecumenical alliance of U.S. Christians working to reform their churches’ social agenda, in accord with biblical and historic Christian teachings, thereby contributing to the renewal of democratic society at home and abroad," has been campaigning against leftist crusades, radical forms of feminism, environmentalism, pacifism, multi-culturalism, revolutionary socialism and sexual liberation. 16. The IRD actually started with a political and not a religious agenda under the name the Foundation for Democratic Education, which was the financial arm of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority (CDM). It was founded by neoconservative supporters of Sen. Henry “Scoop” Jackson, the mentor of Mr.Richard Perle, who was the head of the Defence Policy Advisory Board till the Iraq war and is considered one of the architects of the regime-change policy. The CDM has been described by its critics as "a political project that aimed to unseat the progressive “New Politics” sector of the Democratic Party in the 1970s and reassert the control of Cold Warriors like Jackson." During the tenure of Ronald Reagan , the IRD started propagating a politico-religious agenda and stressing the importance of Christian morality to promote militant anticommunism and the conservative variety of internationalism advanced by the neoconservatives. 17.Three leading neoconservatives founded the IRD in 1981: Michael Novak of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) with which Mrs.Cheney is reportedly connected; Richard Neuhaus, who was then an associate of the Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC); and Penn Kemble, one of the leaders of the right-wing Social Democrats/USA. 18.During the 1980s the IRD attempted to rally U.S. Christians around a program of higher military budgets and military campaigns against the Soviet Union and allied countries such as Nicaragua, Angola, and Cuba. It raised funds for the jihad against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. It backed U.S. military aid and intervention in Central America and the Caribbean during the Reagan administration, and it criticised Christians who didn’t share its militarism and interventionist policies. 19. It has also been a strong supporter of regime changes in Iraq and Iran. While the IRD did not subscribe to any of the joint statements and letters demanding that a visa be refused to Mr.Modi, it is reported to have played an active behind-the-scene role through its contacts in the neo-conservative establishment to press the State Department to refuse a visa. Link: http://www.saag.org/papers14/paper1318.html

Posted by: narayanan Apr 4 2005, 10:57 AM

Keshto: R u really going to contact San Jose Morons? Could u pls ask them to check with the CIIS about their standards of academic integrity? Let me give u a sampler:

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Academic Honesty, FOIL style: The FOIL give themselves promotions liberally. · August 2002, Asian Age: “Angana Chatterji is a professor of social and cultural anthropology at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco, US” · August 2002, Milli Gazette: “Angana Chatterji is a professor of social and cultural anthropology at the California Institute of Integral Studies.” · June 2002: “DAWN” of Karachi “ANGANA CHATTERJI , Professor, Department of Social and Cultural Anthropology California Institute of Integral Studies San Francisco, US. “ · December 2002, Dissident Voice: “Angana Chatterji is a professor of Social and Cultural Anthropology at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco.” · November 2003: South Asia Citizens’ Web “Angana Chatterji is a professor of Social and Cultural Anthropology at the California Institute of Integral Studies” (and numerous other instances…) But two rare attacks of honesty: · February 2005: Letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice: “Angana Chatterji, Associate Professor, California Institute of Integral Studies” · March 2005, Angana Chatterji in Asian Age: “Angana Chatterji is associate professor of Anthropology at California Institute of Integral Studies, and member, Coalition Against Genocide” And back to usual habits: March 2005, OUTLOOK: · Dr. Angana Chatterji, Professor of Anthropology, California Institute of Integral Studies, San Francisco Dr. Usha Zacharias, Professor of Communications, Westfield State College, Massachusetts Congratulations on your (self) promotions, Drs. Chatterji and Dr. Zacharias
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Angana P. Chatterji, Ph.D., is associate professor of Social and Cultural Anthropology at California Institute of Integral Studies.
Dr. Chatterji’s practice of inflating her credentials is routine for FOIL members’ standards of integrity. Dr. Biju Mathew and Vijay Prashad have been describing themselves as “Professor” when Rider University, New Jersey and Trinity College, CT continue to describe them as “Associate Professor. Dr. Usha Zacarias , Editor of the Ghadar edition that was rushed out a week before the Godhra event, extends the practice to its logical extremes. She describes herself as “Professor” though Westfield State College, Massachusetts insists that she is an “Assistant Professor”. Of course, this increased my respect for Dr. Vinay Lal by 3 orders of magnitude, which was not difficult to do. From upcoming thriller.... : As I said b 4, if u find someone lyin' somewhere, chances are u'll find 'em lyin' in a lot of other places.

Posted by: Viren Apr 4 2005, 11:42 AM

Guess who was protesting Advani's visit in 2003... see if you can find any familiar names biggrin.gif http://insaf.net/central/bulletins/200307bull.html#advani

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Advani’s visit to the US and Britain protested The ten day tour of India’s Deputy Prime Minister L.K. Advani starting June 7 to the UK and US faced protests by democratic and secular Diaspora in both countries. During his visit Advani met British Prime Minister Blair, US President Bush, US Vice-President Dick Cheney, US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. Though the time of the meeting with Bush is still not confirmed, sources say it is expected to be either on June 9 or June 10. A coalition of Indian-American Christian and Muslim organisations under the banner of 'Coalition to Support Democracy and Pluralism in India' has written to US President George W Bush criticising Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani, currently on an official visit to the US, and warning that 'his actions in the past and currently, undermine American interests and values.' A partial list of signatories includes Ambedkar Memorial Trust, Association for India’s Development (AID), Association of Indian Muslims of America (AIM), Ahsan Jafri Foundation, Bharatiya Educational Foundation, California Institute of Integral Studies, Educational Subscription Service, Ethics and Public Policy Center, South Asia Studies (EPPC), Federation of Indian American Christian Organizations of North America (FIAOCONA), Federation of Indian Christians (Chicago), India Development Society, India Foundation, India Unity Group, Indian American Catholic Association (IACA), Indian Christian Forum, New York ICF(NY), Indian Muslim Council (IMC), Institute for Religion and Public Policy (IRPP), International Service Society, M.K.Gandhi Institute for Non-Violence, Memphis, TN, SE Ministries International, Inc., Seva International, South Asia Forum (Washington DC), Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment, MI. South Asia Solidarity Group in London (southasia@hotmail.com) organized a picket at Parliament Square on June 15, to protest Advani’s visit.

Posted by: acharya Apr 4 2005, 02:33 PM

THE MAN & HIS shining ACHIEVEMENTS UNSEEN BY BLIND PSECS Modi remains unshakeable. He is consolidating his political position both inside and outside of Gujarat with the help of the 'development card.' How is Modi making it possible? What is he up to? On the basis of discussions with some of Modi's confidantes and his team of officers, rediff.com presents the guide to the latest on Modi and Gujarat. (Senior Editor Sheela Bhatt examines the rise and rise of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, in a two-part special series). Excerpts: - - - - - - He is obsessed with three issues: The brand building of his own image; Fast-track development of Gujarat via liberalisation and; Hindutva. In the last two years, he has done a huge amount of groundwork in all three directions. In his speeches in the last year, Narendra Modi says, ‘Gujarat is the growth engine of India that is why the Planning Commission, while fixing the growth target for the current Five Year plan, has given Gujarat a target of 10.2 per cent against the country’s target of 8 per cent. Gujarat has surpassed even this and has registered 15 per cent growth.’ Modi wants to compete with Asian economies, not just with other Indian states. He has been spectacularly successful in bridging the revenue deficit of Rs 4,000 crore. Gujarat has impressive figures to show because of its contribution to exports (21 per cent), industrial output (20 per cent), market capitalisation (30 per cent) of the country. Gujarat is unmatched in India in chemicals, petrochemicals, pharmaceuticals, textiles, plastic goods, salt, ceramics, diamond processing and milk products. Modi is seriously trying to take the state economy in a higher gear. He has dreams of making Gujarat a gas-based economy. Gas is economical, efficient and environment friendly. He has already started his efforts, if he shows some concrete results within 5 to 7 years, Gujarat will be enviable and may be unbeatable in infrastructure and industrial development. Modi wants to supply gas-based electricity instead of coal that will make Gujarat attractive for industrialists. Tonnes of new reserves of fuel were discovered in the state. Gujarat has two LNG terminals, in Dahej and Hazira, to handle imported gas. It already has 500 kms of gas pipeline connecting its big cities. A 1,500 km laying of pipeline has awarded to the Adani group. The state has got e-governance in place. The rest of India is still talking about it, while Gujarat has already linked its rivers. In the last six years, more than 200,000 check dams and farm ponds have been created to preserve water. A comprehensive soil survey has been carried out for the first time in India. Farmers are being given a soil health card that helps them to understand the suitability of the land for a particular crop. Even though, Gujarat is not on the map of India's IT sector, it boasts of the State Wide Area Network (GSWAN) -- the second largest in the world and largest such network in Asia. Modi exploits this connectivity to reach out to the nooks and corners of 18,000 villages. All 25 districts and its talukas are connected live to the state headquarters. The state has set up SWAGAT (State-wide Attention on Grievances by Application of Technology) which is one of its kind. Gujarat has entered an advanced stage of development, so freebies available to industrialists are much less say compared to West Bengal, Orissa, Goa or Kerala. He is trying hard to achieve Ram Rajya, the way the BJP envisages. To win the game Modi has entered the fast lane of development, liberalisation and globalisation. ‘Those taking the path of economic reforms risked brickbats.’ He said, ‘Everybody talks about economic reforms. But nobody comes forward to support them. Gujarat is leading in the energy sector reforms. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh praised my efforts when I met him but his own party (the Congress) is staging protests against my reforms.’ Modi is on the way to revolutionising sectors like electricity management and water management. Similarly, within his party, many MLAs and fixers had been involved in corruption but Modi is blocking their way. Modi's loyalists will have to say that development is above Hindutva. Why does Modi look invincible? Because senior BJP leaders in Delhi are ageing and weakening. The BJP's second rank of leaders at the national level is full of individuals who are not in a position to win their own seats in an election. Senior leaders acknowledge that Modi is their sole success story and is still popular amongst voters who elected him in 2002. His opponents in the state are in disarray. In Gujarat, the Congress doesn't have a single leader to match Modi's charisma and his crafty handling of the state assembly. Modi is sitting pretty, also because the media has fallen into a trap. After the 2002 riots, the media positioned Modi in such a manner that now an attack on him is conceived as an attack on Hindutva by BJP voters. His ministers say Modi can smell trouble well in advance. That gives him an advantage of planning to outsmart his rival camps. At the ground level, Modi is positioning himself as if he is a victim of the ‘pseudo-secularist’ movement outside Gujarat. The politics of the riot cases is his battleground. Ask any BJP leader and he will tell you that the Congress is behind the ‘anti-Gujarat’ campaign outside Gujarat. The Manmohan Singh government's ‘anti-Hindu’ political stance has worsened the situation and Modi is helpless. Within Gujarat, the issue of who burnt the Sabarmati train is a highly sensitive and political one. BJP supporters believe the police investigation -- that it was a pre-planned attack by Muslim from the Ghanchi community belonging to the Tablighi Jamat living in nearby Signal Falia. Within Gujarat, Modi is politically stronger than before because he has segregated his dealings with the party and the general public, he hardly needs the party apparatus to communicate with the people. Then, it also adds to his image that even bureaucrats and police officers repeatedly claim that Modi is not corrupt. He has adopted a strategy to keep silent on police cases of the Gujarat riots and on the legal battles going on in various courts. He didn't even react when the Supreme Court admonished him and called him Nero. Modi is buying time. He thinks time is the most important factor in his game plan, even in his future ambitions. His camp believes that the legal activism of non-government organisations, Commission will ultimately manifest in such a manner that it will strengthen his image as a strong leader of the Hindus. His party believes that when the Gujarat riots cases reach its logical conclusion, he will be the gainer. The Modi camp thinks ‘secularists have stretched things too far and it is again advantage BJP in Gujarat.’ The riots were very shameful but to say that Gujarat's development will be stunted because of it is far from the truth. The riots were severely violent and unprecedented in scale but the antagonism between Hindus and Muslims is not an overnight phenomenon. His opponents may not like to accept it but a large section of society has left the riots behind and moved on. No one talks about the riots and few respond to Teesta Setalvad's activism. Few turn up at the Nanavati Commission to hear the arguments. It is embarrassing to see that many Hindus behave as if the riots never happened. And Muslims who were not directly affected are back to their normal life, rather, many of them don't want to revoke the memories of the riots and debate over it because it 'vitiates' the atmosphere with their neighbours. But a point to remember is that the Muslims of Gujarat are Gujaratis first. They are very pragmatic and know the value of silence. The level of fear in the Muslim community has largely reduced because a large number of Gujarati Muslims are traders and have got engaged in the market as before. They are very pragmatic and unlike many secularists and legal activists, they don't want to 'stretch the issue of legal justice' beyond limits because there is a life beyond the courts The most relieving aspect of their attitude is that even after so much suffering in 2002 Gujarati Muslims are not looking outside for better options. For them ‘samajik samadhan’ (settlement of disagreement over social issues) is the guiding mantra and they will find it out within society. - - - - - - On the evening of December 12, 2004, Smriti Irani, star of the popular television programme Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi had egg on her face. Before that, Teesta Setalvad suffered a severe jolt. That is what Gujarat's controversial Chief Minister Narendra Modi is capable of. After the Godhra carnage and the bloody communal riots in 2002, which killed more than 1,000 people, Modi remains unshakeable. A hyperactive Modi is consolidating his political position both inside and outside of Gujarat with the help of the 'development card.' How is Modi making it possible? What is he up to? On the basis of discussions with some of Modi's confidantes and his team of officers, rediff.com presents the guide to the latest on Modi and Gujarat. What is Modi doing? He is obsessed with three issues. 1. The brand building of his own image; 2. Fast-track development of Gujarat via liberalisation and; 3. Hindutva In the last two years, he has done a huge amount of groundwork in all three directions. He is building a brand called Narendra Modi and is emerging as the unrivalled autocrat of the state. In his speeches, he invokes regionalism. Within his party, dissidents are a fast vanishing tribe because Modi hates criticism and doesn't allow internal debate on issues that question his ideas, style of functioning or decisions. News reports about the functioning of various government ministries are difficult to come by because he has tightened security around government offices in Gandhinagar. Party veterans like Ashok Bhatt and Vajubhai Vala, who have been with the BJP for four decades before Modi arrived on the scene, are now his mute partners. Within Gujarat, Modi is politically stronger than before because he has segregated his dealings with the party and the general public, he hardly needs the party apparatus to communicate with the people. Then, it also adds to his image that even bureaucrats and police officers repeatedly claim that Modi is not corrupt. In an attempt to enhance his image, he launched a massive self-publicity drive after the riots. Millions of rupees have been spent in the publication of diaries, calendars and such materials which carry Modi's pictures along with information about a given government ministry. In India, most chief ministers misuse this but Modi is doing it skilfully and aggressively like probably no chief minister has ever done. Like, to exploit the visibility factor, besides posters and hoardings, lakhs of booklets on quality paper have been printed by various ministries carrying his picture prominently. Modi has made sure that in Gujarat no one can escape noticing him. He is hostile to the local media and has adopted a strategy to keep silent on police cases of the Gujarat riots and on the legal battles going on in various courts. He didn't even react when the Supreme Court admonished him and called him Nero. Modi is buying time. He thinks time is the most important factor in his game plan, even in his future ambitions. His camp believes that the legal activism of non-government organisations, Teesta Setalvad, Harsh Mander and the National Human Rights Commission will ultimately manifest in such a manner that it will strengthen his image as a strong leader of the Hindus. His party believes that when the Gujarat riots cases reach its logical conclusion, he will be the gainer. If the Hindu accused lose high-profile communal riots cases like the Best Bakery, Bilkis Banu, Gulmarg Society and Naroda Patia their discontent will deepen the division between Hindus and Muslims. And if the accused of these cases win, it will again give him winning points to argue with the secularists. As the Shah Bano issue had helped the BJP and L K Advani to emerge stronger, Modi will turn Teesta Setalvad into Gujarat's Shah Bano. The only difference is that Modi is using the power of the State to fight his battle with the 'secularists.' His calculation is that a faster trial is Gujarat BJP's best bet. No one can predict either way about these cases but Modi is able to see a political lifeline in the stiff opposition to the 'biased' police inquiry in his rule. The Modi camp thinks 'secularists have stretched things too far and it is again advantage BJP in Gujarat.' The Modi camp revealed that if he is cornered politically because of the riots cases, he is all set to raise the issue of the federalism of India, messy investigations of past riot cases and its shamefully low conviction rates, the situation of 'jihadi outfits' in other parts of India and 'foreign support' to secularists and NGOs' legal movement. What about development? The riots were very shameful but to say that Gujarat's development will be stunted because of it is far from the truth. Gujarat is a 'baniya state.' Once a Gandhian labour union leader complained that even Gujarat's Dalits are rightist. The riots were severely violent and unprecedented in scale but the antagonism between Hindus and Muslims is not an overnight phenomenon. Gujarat has the tenacity to struggle about social and communal issues while carrying on with businesses and development. Gujarati society is highly monetised. After a temporary setback, agriculture produce and sectors like pharmaceuticals and chemicals are booming. Modi has been successfully staging publicity stunts to bury the memory of violent days. His opponents may not like to accept it but a large section of society has left the riots behind and moved on. No one talks about the riots and few respond to Teesta Setalvad's activism. Few turn up at the Nanavati Commission to hear the arguments. It is embarrassing to see that many Hindus behave as if the riots never happened. And Muslims who were not directly affected are back to their normal life, rather, many of them don't want to revoke the memories of the riots and debate over it because it 'vitiates' the atmosphere with their neighbours. Has Modi done anything to bridge the gap between Hindus and Muslims? A heart-shattering fact is that the blood of 1,000 innocent men, women and children has gone in vain. After the torturing and burning of hundreds of human beings, the situation remains unchanged. Here in some areas and in some sections hearts are polarised, not just minds. But a point to remember is that the Muslims of Gujarat are Gujaratis first. They are very pragmatic and know the value of silence. The level of fear in the Muslim community has largely reduced because a large number of Gujarati Muslims are traders and have got engaged in the market as before. However, the psychological divide remains the strength of Modi's game. They are very pragmatic and unlike many secularists and legal activists, they don't want to 'stretch the issue of legal justice' beyond limits because there is a life beyond the courts and issues raised by Zaheera Sheikh. Gujarati Muslims understand Modi's communal politics better than the secular activists of New Delhi or Mumbai. The most relieving aspect of their attitude is that even after so much suffering in 2002 Gujarati Muslims are not looking outside for better options. For them 'samajik samadhan' (settlement of disagreement over social issues) is the guiding mantra and they will find it out within society. It may take a decade. * * * Narendra Modi thinks a detergent named development will wash away the memory of 2002. In his speeches in the last year, he says, 'Gujarat is the growth engine of India that is why the Planning Commission, while fixing the growth target for the current Five Year plan, has given Gujarat a target of 10.2 per cent against the country's target of 8 per cent. Gujarat has surpassed even this and has registered 15 per cent growth.' Modi wants to compete with Asian economies, not just with other Indian states. He has been spectacularly successful in bridging the revenue deficit of Rs 4,000 crore. Gujarat has impressive figures to show because of its contribution to exports (21 per cent), industrial output (20 per cent), market capitalisation (30 per cent) of the country. Modi or no Modi, Gujarat is unmatched in India in chemicals, petrochemicals, pharmaceuticals, textiles, plastic goods, salt, ceramics, diamond processing and milk products. And hold your breath! To appeal to a larger section, Zaheera Sheikh will become 'the Muslim face of Modi's BJP.' If and when necessary she will be inducted into the BJP and will be given a ticket to fight an election. Surely, the Hindus of Baroda will vote for her, says Mohammad Vora, a social worker. But what about new investment? Is it coming? Modi is seriously trying to take the state economy in a higher gear. He has dreams of making Gujarat a gas-based economy. Gas is economical, efficient and environment friendly. He has already started his efforts, if he shows some concrete results within 5 to 7 years, Gujarat will be enviable and may be unbeatable in infrastructure and industrial development. Modi wants to supply gas-based electricity instead of coal that will make Gujarat attractive for industrialists. One hundred and twenty million tonnes of new reserves of fuel were discovered in the state. Gujarat has two LNG terminals, in Dahej and Hazira, to handle imported gas. It already has 500 kms of gas pipeline connecting its big cities. A 1,500 km laying of pipeline has awarded to the Adani group. The state has got e-governance in place. Its labour laws are not strictly implemented. The rest of India is still talking about it, while Gujarat has already linked its rivers. It is heartening to see the Sabarmati river that passes through Ahmedabad carrying the waters of the Narmada. In the last six years, more than 200,000 check dams and farm ponds have been created to preserve water. A comprehensive soil survey has been carried out for the first time in India. Farmers are being given a soil health card that helps them to understand the suitability of the land for a particular crop. Even though, Gujarat is not on the map of India's IT sector, it boasts of the State Wide Area Network (GSWAN) -- the second largest in the world and largest such network in Asia. Modi exploits this connectivity to reach out to the nooks and corners of 18,000 villages. All 25 districts and its talukas are connected live to the state headquarters. The state has set up SWAGAT (State-wide Attention on Grievances by Application of Technology) which is one of its kind. If investments are not coming it is not because of the communal situation in Gujarat. Foremost, Gujarat does not have the lifestyle of Bangalore or Mumbai. The state's prohibition policy is a psychological barrier to attract highly talented young professionals. Gujarat has entered an advanced stage of development, so freebies available to industrialists are much less say compared to West Bengal, Orissa, Goa or Kerala. Will he win the game in the end? It is difficult to forecast at this stage. He can control corruption just marginally. He can provide water, but not cheaply, which will not go down well with farmers. As it is, farmers are the only class in the state which has been expressing their displeasure against Modi. He can make gas supply available but can't control its price that will affect his voters. He can build highways but not lanes and by-lanes which are in a mess. He doesn't have money to plan and implement largescale stable employment schemes. Seen as the hero of the middle class, Modi hasn't been able to make any headway as the saviour of the poor. Eventually, all the negatives of privatisation and reforms will put Modi in his place, believe his opponents. Nevertheless, he is trying hard to achieve Ram Rajya, the way the BJP envisages. The unwritten message is that 'the Muslims will have to be kept in control.' To win the game Modi has entered the fast lane of development, liberalisation and globalisation. Also, whatever he does he hypes it much more. When he talked about gas-based terminals and building a distribution and supply system within Gujarat, he said the state will become another Saudi Arabia! The hype about his achievements will create a gap between him and his administration on one side and the have-nots of the state on the other side. Since the Congress is unable to exploit the underprivileged class in Gujarat, Modi's political risk factors in implementing liberalisation are a little less. He himself admitted at a Confederation of Indian Industry function recently that 'those taking the path of economic reforms risked brickbats.' He said, 'Everybody talks about economic reforms. But nobody comes forward to support them. Gujarat is leading in the energy sector reforms. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh praised my efforts when I met him but his own party (the Congress) is staging protests against my reforms.' Modi is on the way to revolutionising sectors like electricity management and water management. His government will announce a scheme soon under which whistleblowers will receive 10 per cent of the fine amount on reporting power theft. Lakhs of farmers and small-scale industrialists who thrived on 'stolen' electricity are now upset. Similarly, within his party, many MLAs and fixers had been involved in corruption but Modi is blocking their way. Rather, they are humiliated by him. They will bounce back when Modi will be on a weak wicket. He has attacked the politician-bureaucrat nexus. But as a result the bureaucrats are having a field day. Modi's party members claim that bureaucrats have sided with Modi and as a result they have more opportunity for corruption and are unchecked by any democratic body. As one state minister puts it -- "Now black money is not even in circulation. Bureaucrats are hoarding it. We were at least spending it on our political activity." A day will come when contradictions will emerge out of the complexity of the current situation. Modi's loyalists will have to say that development is above Hindutva. At that point, Modi watchers believe, he will lose his USP. How can any state have all-round prosperity without the meeting of minds of the minority and majority communities? Why does Modi look invincible? There are many reasons: Because senior BJP leaders in Delhi are ageing and weakening. The BJP's second rank of leaders at the national level is full of individuals who are not in a position to win their own seats in an election. The BJP's meeting in Jharkhand recently showed that senior leaders acknowledge that Modi is their sole success story and is still popular amongst voters who elected him in 2002. Second, his opponents in the state are in disarray. In Gujarat, the Congress doesn't have a single leader to match Modi's charisma and his crafty handling of the state assembly. Congress veterans like Krishnakant Vakharia are talking about the concept of 'collective leadership' in Gujarat because in the absence of a single leader a one-on-one fight with Modi seems unlikely. Modi is sitting pretty, also because the media has fallen into a trap. After the 2002 riots, the media positioned Modi in such a manner that now an attack on him is conceived as an attack on Hindutva by BJP voters. That forces the RSS to give him protection. How can Modi's survival be as serious an issue as 'aggressive Hindutva' for any activist who is fighting communal politics and secular values? His ministers say Modi can smell trouble well in advance. That gives him an advantage of planning to outsmart his rival camps. At the ground level, Modi is positioning himself as if he is a victim of the 'pseudo-secularist'' movement outside Gujarat. One state cabinet minister asked mischievously: "Why are secular activists like Teesta Setalvad not as good in understanding the Hindu mind as they understand the Muslim mind?" Modi is clearly positioning himself to encash these sentiments. The politics of the riot cases is his battleground. Ask any BJP leader and he will tell you that the Congress is behind the 'anti-Gujarat' campaign outside Gujarat. Re-investigations of some 2,000 cases will upset Hindus and will also harm the BJP's political interest but at the same time his party will claim that the Manmohan Singh government's 'anti-Hindu' political stance has worsened the situation and Modi is helpless. Railway Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav has instituted a departmental inquiry into the Godhra carnage but at ground zero, BJP activists claim it is a 'anti-Hindu' inquiry. If the railways departmental inquiry concludes the burning of the Sabarmati Express was an accident, Modi will activate the Vishwa Hindu Parishad to launch an aggressive campaign. Within Gujarat, the issue of who burnt the Sabarmati train is a highly sensitive and political one. Most secularists, Muslims and Congressmen believe the Sabarmati train was burnt only after VHP members humiliated Muslim tea vendors and teased a Muslim girl. BJP supporters believe the police investigation -- that it was a pre-planned attack by Muslim from the Ghanchi community belonging to the Tablighi Jamat living in nearby Signal Falia. A BJP officebearer thinks "the battle is between Chief Minister Modi and his face of Hindutva."

Posted by: Mudy Apr 4 2005, 03:14 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1068734.cms?headline='Superman'~Modi~swamps~US~with~CDs

Posted by: rajesh_g Apr 4 2005, 11:46 PM

I think both Sri Rajaram and Sri Raman are concentrating on how others scuttled India-US relations with this Modi issue. While that in itself may be true the ultimate responsibility of this action rests on the USG itself. One cannot run away from this fact. This is like saying it was all photocopy khan and pakis didnt proliferate nukes. Sorry doesnt work.

Posted by: rajesh_g Apr 8 2005, 05:41 AM

hmmm... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1072425.cms

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Only Queen not frisked, SpeakerjiAdd to Clippings [ FRIDAY, APRIL 08, 2005 12:31:54 PM ] NEW DELHI: Lok Sabha Speaker Somnath Chatterjee refused to stand for security screening in Australia even when assured it would be done in private and his dignity would be respected, an Australian official said Friday. "The law is very straightforward - only the Queen of Australia (Queen Elizabeth, who is also Australia's head of state) is exempted from our security procedures, as per our legislation, and it is not possible for us to change the law," John Fischer, the first secretary in the Australian High Commission, said. Urging Chatterjee to reconsider his decision not to visit Australia, the official said that the procedure was "all encompassing" and would apply even to the prime minister, and for that matter the Indian prime minister or president. "It holds for everybody except our head of state; we are not able to set aside those rules." Chatterjee Thursday called off an official visit to Australia to attend the executive committee of the Commonwealth Parliament Association, offended by the prospect of security frisking at the airport in Sydney. He opted out after being informed he would be screened at the Sydney airport in keeping with security procedures. "I don't think the speaker of a country can be treated as a security risk... it is an affront to India and its parliament," a fuming Chatterjee told reporters in Manila, where he is participating in an Inter-Parliamentary Union meet. The speaker insisted he should be exempted from security checks, as were heads of government or state. "It is beneath my dignity. It hurts not only my personal dignity but that of the country. If a government can treat a parliamentary speaker like a security risk, I am sorry I cannot compromise my country's image and prestige." New Delhi subsequently took up the issue with Canberra. Stating that talks with the Indian government were still continuing on this issue, Fischer said Chatterjee had been assured he would be treated with dignity and sensitivity by the airport security personnel. "He cancelled his trip despite receiving an assurance from Australia that his screening would be done in private, with all due respect to the speaker and his wife, and with utmost sensitivity." The screening entails passing the person through a metal detector, followed by possible patting down. "It is much like they do in the Indian domestic airports - if you set off the metal detector, then they will pat you down. In India it is even more intrusive, in many cases, as they may pass a wand over you or pat you down anyway." Whether Australian security would also subject the visitor to a body search depended "entirely on their discretion", said Fischer. He admitted that there had been complaints from other countries before. "But we have very clear laws and we cannot change that."

Posted by: k.ram Apr 8 2005, 08:57 AM

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Revoke visas of Cong suspects in 1984 riots, Akalis urge US The Akalis, part of the Opposition National Democratic Alliance (NDA), accuse the Congress administration of turning a blind eye to the anti-Sikh riots in 1984. NEW DELHI, UNI The US should revoke visas of Congress politicians accused of involvement in the 1984 riots, using the same approach as it did in Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's case, the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) said today. ''Washington has cited a law banning foreign officials deemed responsible for severe violation of religious freedom. This law should also apply to certain ruling Congress politicians blamed for the killing of thousands of Sikhs in the aftermath of the assassination of then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi,'' SAD Secretary-General Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa told. The US has reaffirmed its decision to revoke Mr Modi's visa despite strong protests by New Delhi and the BJP. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has called the US move insensitive, but US Ambassador David C Mulford said Mr Modi as the head of the state government of Gujarat between February and May 2002 ''was responsible for the performance of the state institutions at that time''. The Akalis, part of the Opposition National Democratic Alliance (NDA), accuse the Congress administration of turning a blind eye to the anti-Sikh riots in 1984. ''Unfortunately, the people who have faced trials for the 1984 massacre are occupying key positions in the Congress government today. The US should apply the same approach towards them also,'' Mr Dhindsa said.

Posted by: k.ram Apr 8 2005, 09:33 AM

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Title: How does America justify occupation of Iraq? Author: M.V.Kamath Publication: Free Press Journal Date: April 7, 2005 http://www.samachar.com/features/070405-features.html There are some things about the denial of the US visa to Gujarat's Chief Minister Narendra Modi and the reasons given for the denial that should not go unchallenged. Much has been made of the fact that the U.S. Government went by what the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) of India had said about Narendra Modi. Never mind of the Indian branch of the NHRC has shot back at Washington saying that the Bush Administration has blown its observations over the 2002 riots "out of proportion". A top NHRC official frankly told the UNI that all that it had done, indeed its "approach" was "mainly limited to the Best Bakery case" and there was "no indictment in general of Modi or his government". But has there been any indictment of the United States position in Iraq by a US Human Rights Organisation? Inquiries show that there indeed has been a very severe indictment of Washington and this was published as an editorial page lead article in The Hindu (26 June 2004). And who made the charge? The author has been identified as Roger Normand, Director of the Centre for Economic and Social Rights, a Human Rights Organisation based in New York. Normand is described as one who had "led fact-finding missions in Iaq, Palestine and Afghanistan in recent years". And what has he to say about the US position in Iraq? The points made are taken verbatim from the report published in The Hindu: In the circumstance they are authentic. Wrote Normand: * Each new revelation of torture, abuse, lies and cover-up exposes the American occupation of Iraq as a criminal enterprise masquerading as liberation. * There has been much speculation as to whether Washington's neo-conservative rulers actually believe the monsense about freedom and human rights or whether they are driven solely by power and profit. It makes little difference to the people of Iraq. After 30 years of western-sponsored domestic tyranny, they must now suffer the brutal depredations of foreign occupation. * The American script portrays all Iraqi opposition not just attacks against civilians as terrorism, even though international law recognises the right to resist occupation though armed struggle. * The de-humanisation of Iraqis (as evident in the photos from Abu Ghraib prison) is part and parcel of an America policy that seeks to justify imperialism in an explicitly post-imperial world order. * Torture is only the visible tip of a vast iceberg of lawless behaviour. In the routine grind of maintaining occupation, US forces are committing war crimes and human rights violations on a daily basis. * The US (has) created a climate of unchecked lawlessness by eliminating the entire army and police forces without a backup plan to maintain public safety. * The US (has) also violated international law and caused untold damage to the people and heritage of Iraq by allowing the wholesale looting to cultural institutions private businesses and government offices. * The Red Cross estimates that up to 90 per cent of Iraqis in detention are innocent civilians swept up in illegal mass arrests and held incommunicado from family members. * USforces also hold family members of wanted suspects as hostages. Once detained, prisoners may be subject to a range of abuses, including physical and sexual torture, rape, murder. * The US has imposed collective punishment on Iraqi civilians. Tactics include demolishing civilian homes, ordering curfews in populated areas, preventing free movement through checkpoints and road closures, sealing off entire towns and villages, and using indiscriminate force in crowded urban area, causing widespread and unnecessary civilian casualties. * The US exacerbated joblessness by summarily dismissing workers with any association to the former Baath regime, including civil servants, teachers, engineers and other professionals. 60 per cent of Iraqis are now unemployed. * In effect the entire reconstruction process has been run as a form of thinly disguised plunder with politically connected American (and some British) corporations pocketing billions of dollars in bloated contracts while Iraq slides into chaos and poverty. * To top it all, the US has granted its occupation forces blanket immunity under local law for any and all crimes committed in Iraq, no matter how egregious. * The pervasive and systematic lawlessness, underpinning the occupation of Iraq is no incident.... The invasion and occupation of Iraq is merely the gold standard of US exceptionalism, an attempt to elevate double standards to the status of law itself. * The rhetoric of freedom masks the reality of conquest, subjugation, pillage and torture. * In a sense, the Bush administration has attacked not only Iraq but the entire United Nations system of post-colonial sovereignty. May it be pointed out: Every word noted above is an exact quote from the Normand Report. Not one word is an exaggeration. Roger Normand is not an ordinary run-ofthe mill reporter. He is Director of the Centre for Economic and Social Rights. He is an American and is based in New York. And he is writing from first hand knowledge. He has as has been pointed out, led fact-finding missionsto Palestine and Afghanistan not to mention Iraq itself, in recent years. He is reliable. From the Normand Report, what Narendra Modi allegedly has done is not a thousandth of what the US has done in Iraq. The riots in Gujarat were over in no time. The rape of Iraq is going on continuously, with US reporters `embedded' with the US official regime, ever willing to put out what US officials tell them to write. Whether one likes to hear it or not, the riots in Gujarat occurred following the brutal incineration of over 55 innocent women and children in a railway coach which was being steadily and ruthlessly stoned by people belonging to one community. Iraq has been invaded and conquered on the most spurious grounds: that its government was accumulating weapons of mass destruction(WMD). Not a single weapon of that kind was discovered even by an American Commission, composed of Americans themselves. The US Government has not a leg to stand on. Its record in Iraq is despicable, and truly comparable to what the Nazis did in Germany. US Congressman Joe Pitts says that he led a Congressional delegation to Gujarat in January 2004 to inquire as to what happened in 2002. He adds: "In 2002, I had also sent my staff to talk with victims of the riots". Will the US Occupation Force in Iraq permit an Indian delegation to visit Iraq and interview victims of American oppression? Will Washington permit it? India is a free country. It even permits its enemies to move freely and talk to anyone they want to. Will that same freedom be given to an Indian delegation to Iraq? There were free elections in Gujarat. What sort of "freedom" did the Iraqis exercise in recent times? Says Normand: "The manipulation of legal language to serve unlawful ends is not a uniquely American position. Throughout history, powerful nations have stood above the law and claimed the right to liberate `less civilised' peoples through the use of violence disguised as humanitarian intervention. What has Pitts got to say to that? In Gujarat people can move about freely. Can Iraqis do that in their own country? The former owner of Best Bakery in Baroda is trying to get back into business by repairing his shop. The people are helping him. America lies through its teeth, when it wants to defend its allies. Consider this report in Washington Post which said that "in an effort to increase pressure on North Korea, the Bush administration told its Asian allies in briefings earlier this year that Pyongyang had exported nuclear material to Libya, when the shipment, in fact, first went to Pakistan. Pakistan's scientist Dr A. Q Khan, who has been actively engaged in nuclear proliferation goes scot free and Gen. Musharraf is praised as a great democrat. Indeed The Week (3 April) quoted U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as saying that "Pakistan is still a whale of lot more democratic than Ohio and it leaves Florida in the dust". That does not say much for the United States. And what sort of religious freedom is there in Saudi Arabia to whose leaders, the United States sucks up to? Reports The Statesman (27 March): "Riyadh: Saudi religious police have destroyed a clandestine makeshift Hindu temple in an old district of Riyadh and deported three worshippers found there ... The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), an advisory panel, last month urged the government to impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia.... for violating religious rights. "Impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia? Will Washington dare? It can dare to punish only a meek India. And Indian secularists will not open their mouths either. What by doing so they invite US rage and get their visas cancelled as well? Our secularists and Human Rights activists know which side their bread is buttered. For them, the United States can do no wrong. They are cowards.

Posted by: ashyam Apr 8 2005, 09:59 AM

After N S Rajaram's article we don't see much activity from FOIL/CAG/Angana etc. Looks like there is some real truth in his report that Bush Government is doing some crack down on these people who misled them to deny the visa.

Posted by: Mudy Apr 12 2005, 10:35 AM

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050411&fname=raman&sid=2&pn=1 Those who are vigorous in their denunciation of the human rights of the Christian and Muslim minorities in India remain muted on the Bush Administration's policies in Iraq and the serious violations of the human rights of the Iraqi Muslims by the American troops. Who is devious, mischievous and motivated? B. RAMAN

Posted by: k.ram Apr 12 2005, 10:38 AM

Or is this old news? unsure.gif

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http://www.iacfpa.org/p_news/nit/iacpa-archieve/2004/08/06/hon06082004-s5.html Indian Muslim Council-USA announces award recipients 2004 The Indian Muslim Council-USA (IMC-USA), an advocacy group, announced the winners of their annual awards for excellence in service to humanity. The awards will be presented at the annual convention on Aug. 7 in Chicago. Dr. Shaik Ubaid, president of the organization, listed the 2004 recipients. n Maulana Muhammad Ali Jowhar Award in Journalism, for best in-depth coverage of Indian Diaspora in the U.S., to Jerome McDonnell and Andrea Wenzel from ‘Worldview’ on Chicago Public Radio. n Bahadur Shah Zafar Award, for promoting pluralism and community harmony in India to, Sri Kumar Poddar, Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment based in Michigan. n Rafi Ahmed Kidwai Award in Humanitarian Work, for selfless service towards the uplift of the poor and the oppressed classes in India to Dr. A.R. Nakadar, former president of the American Federation of Muslims of Indian origin based in Michigan. n Altaf Hussain Hali Award in Humanitarian Work, for selfless service towards the uplift of Muslims in India to Kaleem Kawaja, former president of Association of Indian Muslims, based in Maryland. n Tipu Sultan Award, for courageously serving India and India’s interests, to Prabhudoss John, executive director for the Policy Institute for Religion and State at Washington D.C. The recipient of the Maulana Abul Kalam Azad Award for excellence in education has yet to be announced. . With the theme of the convention being, ‘Indian Muslims: Past, Present and Future,’ prominent scholars, historians, journalists etc. plan to focus on past contributions of the society while securing future plans. (Compiled from news dispatches by Priyanka Mehra)

Posted by: Viren Apr 12 2005, 11:19 AM

Mudy, That B Raman article needs to be archived in full, interesting observations about John Prabhudoss

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'I Stand By My Assessment' Those who are vigorous in their denunciation of the human rights of the Christian and Muslim minorities in India remain muted on the Bush Administration's policies in Iraq and the serious violations of the human rights of the Iraqi Muslims by the American troops. Who is devious, mischievous and motivated? B. RAMAN Apropos the comments on my article, Hidden Persuaders, I wish to state the following: Aziz Hanifa, the well-infomed Washington DC based correspondent of India Abroad, had contributed a report to his weekly dated March 18, 2005, on the controversy over Narendra Modi's then planned visit to the US. The report, which was carried by the weekly under the title "US Unlikely To Stop Modi", stated inter alia as follows: "Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is unlikely to bar Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi from entering the country, senior State Department officials said. Rice was bombarded with e-mails, letters and messages from secular, Christian and Islamic groups protesting against Modi's visit at the invitation of the Asian American Hotel Owners' Association. State Department officials told "India Abroad" she was aware of the protests and concerns raised over Modi's visit , but no decision has been made on denying him entry to the United States. The officials said it was highly improbable that Modi, who reportedly holds a ten-year multiple entry visa to the US, will be stopped at the port of entry and turned back. The officials explained that there is a provision of law to refuse visas to people, who have denied religious freedom to people and it is possible it could apply here, but we are not sure. But that is one thing we may be looking at." Shortly thereafter, the announcement about the rejection of Narendra Modi's application for a diplomatic visa and the cancellation of the ordinary visa already issued to him before the Gujarat riots was made. In response to my enquiries as to what went wrong made with my Indian as well as American friends, I ascertained that there were serious reservations in the US State Department over the political wisdom of applying a 1998 law relating to the denial of visa to those accused of violating religious freedom to Narendra Modi in view of the role played by the BJP in strengthening India's relations with the US.. Ultimately, the office of Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, at the instance of some Christian organisations, intervened and persuaded the State Department to apply the law to Narendra Modi and deny him a visa. I was told by credible contacts that one John Prabhudoss and his organisations were among those, who had successfully sought the intervention of Cheney's office. Till I received this information, I had not heard of either John Prabhudoss or his organisations. On scrutinising the reports sent by the Washington-based Indian journalists on the visa denial, I came across the following reference in a despatch of March 23, 2005, sent by the Outlook correspondent in Washington DC, which was carried in the Outlook online edition:. "Tactically, enlisting Congressman Joseph Pitts of Pennsylvania, an evangelist with strong feelings about the persecution of Christians, may just have tipped the scales in their favour. It was easy to activate Pitts since he had first hand knowledge of Gujarat. He had been there on a private visit last year and never stopped talking about the persecution of Christians and Muslims. P.D. John who leads the Federation of Indian American Christian Organizations of North America (FIACONA) was walking the halls of the US Congress, reminding young staffers of Gujarat 2002 and the arson in the Dangs. On further enquiries, I came to know that P.D. John referred to in the Outlook report was identical with John Prabhudoss. I was told he calls himself sometimes as John Prabhudoss (when he went to Iraq after the US invasion and occupation, for example) and sometimes as P.D.John (when he visited Gujarat after the riots in 2002, for example) and that he wears two hats. It is also alleged that he uses other aliases such as J.P. Doss. He is reportedly the Chairman, Governmental Relations Committee of the Federation of Indian American Christian Organizations of North America (FIACONA), Washington DC; and the Executive Director of the Policy Institute for Religion and State (PIFRAS). My enquiries and research also indicated that both are Christian organisations and that, while the FIACONA focusses on lobbying in Washington DC on the issue of the violations of the rights of the religious minorities and the restrictions on the right of the Christians to proselytize in India, the PIFRAS largely concentrates on backing the Bush Administration's policy of promoting democracy and good governance, particularly in the Islamic world. I came across the texts of the reports prepared and disseminated by John Prabhudoss on his visits to Iraq and noticed that most of the members of the delegation, which he had taken to Iraq, were Christians. My research and enquiries also indicated that while he and his organisations have been very vocal in their criticism of the violations of the human rights of the Christians and Muslims in India, they have been muted on the violations of the human rights of the Sunni Muslims of Iraq by the US troops, the alleged brutalities committed by the US troops at the Abu Gharaib prison and the alleged massacre of the Iraqi Sunnis, particularly at Falluja, by the US troops. Nor did I find any activism by him and his organisations on the brutal violations of the human rights of the Muslim detenus at the Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. If they have campaigned on these issues as vigorously as they have campaigned on the issue of the violations of the human rights of the Muslims and Christians in India, I would be glad to know the details and would be only too happy to stand corrected. My research also brought out his acquaintance with and proximity to some of the political leaders in Washington DC, who had played a role in the decision to deny a visa to Narendra Modi. After taking all these into consideration, I wrote my article and stand by my assessment as given in that article. Since March, 2002, I have written strongly against Narendra Modi and on the massacre of Muslims in Gujarat. I have written equally strongly in Indian and foreign media on the serious violations of the human rights of the Muslims by American troops in Afghanistan, Iraq and in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. I find it difficult to accept the arguments and the allegations against me of those in the community of Indian origin in the USA, who are vigorous in their denunciation of the human rights of the Christian and Muslim minorities in India and walk the lobbies of the Congress almost every day on this issue, but prefer to remain muted on the serious violations of the human rights of the Muslims by the American troops so well documented by prestigious Human Rights organisations such as the Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch. In my view, this is because many of those on whose support they rely for their campaigns relating to India, are supporters of the Bush Administration's policies in Iraq. Who is devious, mischievous and motivated? Me? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai, and Distinguished Fellow and Convenor, Observer Research Foundation (ORF), Chennai Chapte

Posted by: rajesh_g Apr 16 2005, 08:04 AM

There is a new alliance coming into play here where the islamists are always going to present a case where they will always highlight 'excesses' on xtians to gain legitimacy and sympathy from neocons and then slide in their islamist pet peeves. Neocons in order to prove their 'evenhandedness' are only happy to oblige. This Pitts fellow is different though. This guy is a paid paki hack for sure.

Posted by: SSridhar Apr 24 2005, 03:57 PM

I think there is a game being played here by the Western allies of the US. The US has decided to help its friend, the Wise General, with the next elections. It wants to get rid of the MMA menace. That would, the thinking goes, help the US as well, even if the Wise General does not come back to power in 2007. So, it has decided to paint MMA black. One tactic was to "lure" the Sandwich Mullah with a visa, but arrest him at Zaventum and humiliate him etc. The TSP Govt. played along with that tactic, perhaps. The next is the MMA minister being arrested at Manchester. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_25-4-2005_pg1_2 How does Modi come into this ? As usual, India and the Hindus are used as scapegoats in this strategy. The US, whose credibility in the "Mussalman block", is at the lowest wants to show that it does't treat non-Muslims (read Hindus) with any favour. What better way to do that than malign a Modi who is being portrayed as "much-reviled" ? This also assuages the feelings of Christian evangelists as they also feel "hurt" by the BJP's stridency in stopping their fraudulent conversion in Gujarat. A winning situation, on many fronts.

Posted by: Viren Apr 24 2005, 08:51 PM

Received email from a friend that the "Coalition Against Genocide" didn't show up nor did they drop a word of sympathy or support for the commemorative 90th Anniversary of the Armenian Genocide in NYC today details: http://www.remembergenocide.com/ Guess they didn't want to upset their Islamists masters mad.gif

Posted by: acharya Apr 24 2005, 09:24 PM

Folks There is news from "reliable sources" that Modi may be trying to enter the United States illegally through the US-Mexico Border at Tijuana. Border security forces have already been put on high alert. Khalid ROTFL.gif

Posted by: acharya Apr 24 2005, 09:28 PM

http://www.countercurrents.org/gujarat-ravishankar290305.htm

Posted by: rajesh_g Apr 25 2005, 03:46 PM

http://www.keralanext.com/news/indexread.asp?id=191102

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India ; Soft on Modi? It's strategy, says Congress: 11 Hours,34 minutes Ago [India News] New Delhi, Stung by leftists accusations that it was going soft on Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the Congress Monday said it was handling a smart enemy the best way it possibly could. The main Left party backing the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA), Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M), said in its weekly organ People's Democracy that the Congress was shying away from taking action against Modi. "We are not at all soft on Modi ... but we cannot be blind to constitutional realities. Modi is the chief minister of an elected government," said Congress leader Salman Khurshid. "When there are deliberate perversions we would pursue the course of law. But in pursuit of a good cause we cannot be dictatorial." He asserted that the Congress did not want to make an obsession out of Modi, as part of a "well-crafted and balanced strategy". "We do not have to play into his hands. Modi is not an easy opponent ... He has a constituency and we cannot permit him to exploit our actions to his advantage." Khurshid said it was to avoid episodes like the 2002 Gujarat communal violence - which Modi's government is widely accused of abetting - that the government was trying to remove the infirmities and enact a law against communal violence. In an editorial titled "Yet Another Proof of Blood on Modi's Hands", a commentary on Modi, People's Democracy also commented that the Congress had not taken up with the right urgency the allegations of senior police officer R.B. Sreekumar, who was heading Gujarat's intelligence wing at the time of communal violence in the state. Sreekumar recently said in a petition to the Central Administrative Tribunal (CAT) that he was denied due promotion because he spoke out against the state government. He accused Modi and senior bureaucrats of verbally ordering him to "target" and "eliminate" minorities. The "People Democracy" editorial said it was "worrying" that the Congress appeared to be "soft-pedalling" the Gujarat issue. Khurshid said: "What Sreekumar said was to CAT, not the commission inquiring the Gujarat violence. You cannot act on what is said in one forum by transferring it to another. Eventually, it will come up before the commission and then we will act on it." Rajya Sabha MP Devendra Dwivedi, a permanent invitee to the Congress Working Committee, rubbished the CPI-M's allegations as "unnecessary politicisation" by the Left. "We made Modi's role in the Gujarat violence a national issue. There is no question of going soft on him," Dwivedi said. He was critical of the Left's view that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh need not have intervened when the US denied visa to Modi. "It is a state-to-state issue. We cannot allow domestic politics or partisan politics to influence the state. Unlike some parties, we don't believe in the autonomy of a state."

Posted by: akshar May 3 2005, 12:21 AM

When the US government denied the entry visa to Gujarat's Chief Minister Narendra Modi, it slapped not just Modi's face but the face of every Indian of whatever political persuasion. It was a brazen insult, a despicable act of viciousness never before witnessed in Indo-American relations, an act so ignoble that if the UPA government does not reply to it suitably, it would go down in history as tainted with cowardice. The point was made by one white foreign correspondent stationed in Delhi that the State Department could not have taken the step it did without the quiet connivance of the UPA government which, if that accusation is true, can only be described as two-faced. Delhi must act-and act purposefully and strongly, if necessary by withdrawing our Ambassador from Washington. Two-facedness can bring Congress no credit. Even as it is, UPA's credibility stands in doubt, considering Sonia Gandhi's silence. She must stand up for India's honour even more strongly and steadfastly than anybody else. For months now Narendra Modi has been the target of our two-faced secularists. To this day not a word has been said of Rajiv Gandhi's role when, following Indira Gandhi's assassination, Congress goondas, with the active connivance of Congress leaders, practised ‘genocide’-a very popular word with our secularists-against Sikhs. It is an established fact that more Sikhs-innocent as anyone can be-were brutally murdered by Congress goondas as Rajiv Gandhi looked the other way, except to say that when a giant tree falls, the earth shakes. This has been forgotten. But Modi has been quoted as saying that in the matter of riots “action and reaction are equal and opposite”. There are, let us face it, powerful Modi-haters in the country who would even go to the extent of licking American boots if only the US government will humiliate the Gujarat Chief Minister. And what divine right, pray, does the US government have to stand in judgement on Modi? Here is a country that has organised murders of several international leaders, not the least among them being Lumumba of Congo and Salvader Allende of Chile, almost as a matter of routine. More murders have been ordered and seen to be executed by the US 40 Committee than even by the Dawood gang. At no time in its existence has Vietnam done any harm to the United States and yet, in pursuance of its ghastly philosophy, America has been responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent Vietnamese. In the course of fifty years since Independence, India has had to face the open hostility of the United States which had no compunction in supporting Pakistan which had decimated Hindus within its territory. In the last one century, the US has supported more dictatorships around the world than any other nation with impunity. Saudi Arabia will not let a church be built within its territory, let alone permit a missionary to come and preach Christianity to the Arabs. The United States has no apology to make. Genocide has been practised by Muslim Jehadis against Kashmiri Pandits who have been driven from their homes but it does not move American hearts. There is obviously no limit to American hypocrisy. And now they have the cheek to condemn Narendra Modi. They have to be shown their place. But how did this happen? In the last one century, the US has supported more dictatorships around the world than any other nation with impunity. Saudi Arabia will not let a church be built within its territory, let alone permit a missionary to come and preach Christianity to the Arabs. According to reports, a month-long campaign by Muslim and Christian organisations in the US against Narendra Modi has been the main cause for the Bush administration's decision to humiliate him. Named are two bodies: the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Indian-American Christian Organisations of North America. It would seem that the Council wrote extensively to administration officials and members of Congress, citing that Section 604 of the International Religious Freedom Act makes any foreign official who has engaged in “particularly severe violations of religious freedom” inadmissible to the US. One would like to ask this Council: How much religious freedom is there in Saudi Arabia? In Pakistan? For that matter, in China? Will the Council kindly permit the Ramakrishna Mission (which does not claim to be a Hindu organisation, anyway) to set up an office in Riyadh? And may one ask of the Federation of Indian-American Christian Organisations of North America, how many churches have Hindu fanatics burnt down or otherwise destroyed in Italy, Spain, Portugal or what terror Hindu missionaries have spread in Christian countries? One understands that even now no Hindu temple is allowed to be built even in secular France. Furthermore, may one ask what is the cut-off point for religious fanatics from Islam and Christianity to be forgiven for their hostile acts in Indian history? Secularists in India are delighted that Modi has been insulted. They are welcome to their hatred. But one might ask whether they have any sense of national identity and a sense of national shame when one of their own is slapped in his face? We are expected to accept whatever the US says or does in humility. George Fernandes, then Defence Minister, was insulted and asked to remove his shoes and even forced to disrobe to prove that he was not carrying any dangerous stuff under his heels or clothes when he went to the United States on a diplomatic passport! Mind, a diplomatic passport. There was no howl of protest from the UPA or, for that matter, the NDA. The sternest possible action should have been taken at this calculated insult to our Defence Minister. But Delhi swallowed the insult. It has apparently no sense of shame. Had a Chinese Minister been shown such disrespect, one can imagine how Beijing would have reacted! With utter humility we invite Condoleezza Rice to Delhi. She slaps not Modi, but the entire country in its face. Our secularists don't blame her; they blame Modi. What is this nation made of? Cowards? What are we frightened of? One understands that Teesta Setalvad had gone to the US to testify before the US Commission on International Religious Freedom against her own country. Presumably our secularists consider this the supreme act of patriotism. Finally consider this: an Afghan arrested on suspicion that he was associated with Al Qaeda was detained in an Afghan prison funded by the CIA recently, stripped naked, then dragged across a concrete floor and chained in a cell and left to be frozen to death. Another American official-and a woman besides-treats Iraqi prisoners-of-war in a beastly manner and India looks the other way round. Our secularists couldn't care less. They have Modi to hate. Why waste energy on Bush and Blair-that glorious pair of secular international leaders who think terrorism is their national monopoly and let no one dare question their right? Think again, Dr Manmohan Singh. The nation is watching you. If you cannot extract an apology from Washington, it would be better if you resign. This country has had enough of India-haters under any name. Let the world know that India cannot be trifled with.

Posted by: Viren May 3 2005, 06:58 AM

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050509&fname=US+%28F%29&sid=1 OUTLOOK INDIA.COM, MAY 9, 2005 In The Line Of God’s Periscope If the Christian right and liberal advocacy groups have their way, not just Modi but other parivar members too might have to say goodbye to America SEEMA SIROHI

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It shouldn’t come as a surprise if more US visas are denied to more BJP leaders in the future. The unofficial "BJP watch" in America is in overdrive, emboldened and elated by the surprisingly successful campaign against Narendra Modi, targeted for his crimes of commission and omission in Gujarat. The denial of a visa to Modi was only the first step in a campaign being contemplated to put the spotlight on other Sangh parivar eminences and systematically defrock them. Working with legal precedent in US law, Indian Christian and Muslim groups as well as Left-leaning, secular academics are determined to increase the heat on the parivar elite, isolating and impugning them and ultimately discrediting the BJP and its cousins. The campaign is in the planning stages but the fervour to ’punish’ those seen as responsible for a series of crimes, from the Babri Masjid demolition to the murder of Graham Staines and sons to the Gujarat pogrom, is evident. The church and other groups are determined to have a loud voice in changing US policy towards the BJP by using the influence of both the right-wing and liberal advocacy groups, influential Congressmen and their hot button issues, the bedrock of Christian conservatism in America and the heightened role of religion in a White House ruled by a president who owes his re-election to the evangelists. In the coming weeks, church groups and the Coalition Against Genocide comprising NGOs and academics will decide on a strategy to tell the "real" story of the saffronites. Ideas include getting top Hindutva leaders declared persona non grata, a goal many consider overstated but which could make for tough politics were the BJP to return to power. The antennae of mainstream Christian groups such as the US Conference of Catholic Bishops with a following of 63 million, the Southern Baptist Convention with 16 million members and the National Council of Churches, an organisation of 36 churches, are up and listening. Statements from Indian politicians are closely analysed. Vastly funded and supported by a plethora of Christian websites and news organisations like the Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Today, they know every time a missionary is attacked. American evangelists, who have given Christian activism a bad name, track cases of persecution. Congressman Joseph Pitts, a conservative Republican who mounted pressure on the State Department in the Modi case, told Outlook bluntly, "A number of the BJP’s policies are terrible and anti-democratic." He has visited Gujarat, witnessed the aftermath, heard horrifying testimonies from survivors and walked through Ehsaan Jaffri’s burnt-down house. He said the US government was looking very seriously at human rights violations in India. "We’ll continue to monitor the situation. I’d like to make it clear that the US Congress and the US Department of State did not bring the atrocities linked with Narendra Modi to light out of the blue. All this attention is due to the fact that we are listening to the people of India who are deeply disturbed by and directly affected by the actions of Modi and his cohorts." To explain the American ire, which has taken some time to rise, analysts point to the country’s deeply religious roots. Says Bruce Robertson, professor, international relations, Johns Hopkins University, "In America, we are particularly sensitive to how Christians are treated. We are a very conservative country but with all its faults, religious freedom is the touchstone of all our freedoms. The organised church and the broader community are keeping an eye on the situation. Attention levels were raised after the burning of the Australian priest and his sons," he said. "Had it happened in the US, federal marshals would be all over and indictments would follow. (YEAH RIGHT, HEELLLOO...OVER 100 PEDOPHILE PRIESTS ARE STILL LOOSE.) In India, rapes of nuns and the so-called reconversions of Christians should be cracked down upon, not winked at," said Robertson, who was raised in India where his father was a missionary. He says he speaks as someone who’s seen both sides. He condemns some of the tactics evangelists use but says "under no circumstance do they justify rape and murder". Gujarat only confirmed the Christian right’s worst fears. The BJP and its wider philosophy were seen as a reversal from India’s pluralistic ideals. "The organised church sees the BJP as a renegade community within the Hindu tradition. Many Americans see it as the Ku Klux Klan—overtly racist and overtly supremacist," Robertson said. The failure of the BJP leadership to punish Modi fuelled a wider campaign in the US to isolate those seen as perpetrators of crimes against minorities. John Prabhudoss, leader of the Federation of Indian American Christian Organisations of North America (FIOCONA), says while the first Bush administration was "wrongly advised" on the BJP, the climate has now changed. A Madurai-born Christian who worked on Capitol Hill to highlight Modi’s record, Prabhudoss says, "We have put the issue in the forefront. Unless the BJP changes its philosophy, it will be in trouble. We’ll force the US administration to recognise that this philosophy is detrimental to developing Indo-US relations." The Congressional Working Group on Religious Freedom, a coalition of 70 ngos and religious leaders from different faiths launched under the leadership of prominent ultra-conservative Senator Rick Santorum and the House majority whip Congressman Roy Blunt, is a key watchdog group. Meeting bi-weekly with a "core group" of Capitol Hill staffers, it was important in influencing the Modi decision. Senator Santorum’s office told Outlook that he was a strong supporter of religious freedom, both in this and other countries. "Every individual should have the right to believe whatever he or she chooses (including the freedom to convert) without the fear of persecution from the government." Benjamin Marsh, a resident fellow at the Institute on Religion and Public Policy and Washington director of the Dalit Freedom Network, tracks anti-conversion bills in India and keeps the US Congress informed. "The issue is not a political party but the ideals of Hindutva which profess that India is a Hindu country, not a vast, pluralistic land where other religions can co-exist," Marsh says. The anti-conversion laws are overly broad and cover activities protected by international law such as the ability to share one’s religion and provide relief, he adds. Conversions are a "freedom of religion" issue. "In our mind, it’s _expression. Conversion is a respected activity. If you can’t choose your religion, what freedom do you have?" he asks. Marsh says Hindu leaders should fight conversions "not on political but cultural grounds" via religious campaigns and by inviting others into the conversation. "The Christians combated eastern religions not through laws but by re-evangelisation of society," he said, referring to the ’60s when Hindu godmen were making inroads into American society. The BJP may find the advice gratuitous but if the campaign against it gathers strength, Modi wouldn’t be the end of the chapter.

Posted by: Bhootnath May 3 2005, 08:08 AM

> It shouldn’t come as a surprise if more US visas are denied to more BJP leaders in the future. I for one aint voting for BJP anymore .. morrons are very much == to congress. When even Muslim Women are attacking MODEL NIKKAHNAM .. these BJP c... have WELCOMED it !!! Modi Visa episode was so bad .. but thanks sucker Media .. they played down the real issue , while they cleberated the whole issue in the name of Secularism !! What BJP shld have done was simply anounced that if not Shri Modi , then No BJP MP/MLA/ will go to US ....untill Shri Modi is allowed first.... but what can we expect from these morrons ... they are all future Vaghela's ..

Posted by: Bhootnath May 3 2005, 08:11 AM

Maybe Manvendra Singh shld talk to his "Daddy" abt this instead of writing in India Media! http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/may/03manv.htm America's selective amnesia May 03, 2005 An analysis of communal violence depends on the political perspective of those attempting to make a statement from it. Reprehensible as it may seem in this era of liberalism and global integration, but somehow this is an enduring and an ancient fact of society. And it is certainly not the sole preserve of an atavistic people like the Indians but also strikes those who underwent the process of enlightenment and industrialisation in its entirety.

Posted by: rajesh_g May 3 2005, 08:48 AM

I am probably repeating myself here. But the real issue is denial of a diplomatic visa to an Indian elected official after being approved by the GoI. This was a unilateral step taken by the US to degrade the relationship. Without payback or apologies, India has been shown its place. That is the ONLY issue here. Whether Rajiv Gandhi did this or that, whether Israel did this or that, whether the US is fair while denying visa, all these things dont matter. US is not India's mai-baap and while putting stupid arguments like these Indians just keep showing their slavishness. Once again, the issue is US is not India's mai-baap and the relationship should be as a friendly country - if its not, then this step should be remembered for a long time to come and all the bullcr@p about 'natural allies' and 'friendly democracies' etc should be dumped and that should show up in the language coming out of Dilli. 




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