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Monday, March 21, 2005
  Modi visit to US
Posted by: Viren Feb 28 2005, 08:17 PM
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USA. As you are fully aware, AAHOA has invited Modi as the chief guest to the 2005 annual convention which will be held on march 24-26th at Ft.Lauderdale, Florida. I strongly emphasize that all possible actions should be taken to prevent Modi from entering the USA.
Latest India Abroad reports that AAHOA's basically told these characters to take a hike laugh.gif ...... well they were polite about it. Modi will be addressing AAHOA in March.
Posted by: utepian Mar 2 2005, 10:02 AM
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India Abroad, March 4, 2005: Narendra Modi to Visit US Despite Outcry George Joseph The Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) has refused to withdraw its invitation to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to be the chief guest at its annual convention in Ft Lauderdale, FL, March 24-26. "We have invited the chief minister of Gujarat. We do not differentiate if the chief minister is Nrendra Modi or somebody else", AAHOA Treasurer Danny Patel said. "we are looking for investment opportunities in Gujarat and we want to hear about the prospects from the head of the state government. Of the more than 9000 members of AAHOA, 99 percent are from Gujarat. We are proud to welcome our chief minister. As Indians and Gujaratis, our heart is attached to our motherland", he added. He declined to comment on the Gujarat riots of 2002, in which more than 1,000 people were killed. Modi was chief minister when the riots occurred. Fred Schwartz, President of Atlanta based AAHOA said, " We recognize the concerns over the tragic events that took place in Gujarat in 2002, but we are a business group, not a political group." Patel said there had been tremendous growth in Gujarat under Modi. "We look forward to be part of this success. We are not unduly worried about the protests. Let them do their job and let us do our job", he said. " By inviting Modi AAHOA have chosen to honor a man who as chief minister has shown scant regard for the human rights of minorities in his state and elsewhere", the Indian Muslim Council said. "Under Modi's stewardship thousands of men and boys were hacked to death, and women and girls raped and sexually tortured and humiliated before being burnt alive. The Modi government have been persecuting Christians and moderate Hindus. Let us expose the extremists who are silently and successfully infiltrating power centers in the US, and providing funds to their killer squads in India", the Council added. The protesting organizations said they would demonstrate wherever Modi went. "We have many options if we can not prevent the visit. We will continue the peaceful protests. We will approach the members of AAHOA", Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesperson of the Council on American Islamic Relations said. "The protest is not against AAHOA, India or Gujarat, but against the policies of Modi and his people", Kaleem Kawaja, a spokesperson of the Council said. "Modi has a 10 year multiple entry visa. We are not sure whether the State Department will do anything to prevent the visit", Ashwini Rao, a spokesperson for the Campaign Against Genocide, an umbrella organization of a dozen organizations, said. The Washington DC based Institute on Religion and Public Policy wrote to Secretary of State Condoleza Rice, seeking to bar Modi's visit.The letter requested Rice to not allow this egregious violator the privilege of entering the United States, in keeping with the International Religious Feedom Act of 1998. His planned campaign of religious violence and persecution has been evidenced in his severe violations of religious freedom and is due cause for him to be turned away from our borders." Among ther signatories to the letter were: C Naseer Ahmad, public relations secretary, Ahmadi Muslim Community; Angana Chatterji, Associate professor, California Institute of Integral Studies; Jaswant S Hothi, senior vice president, American Gurudwara Prabhandak Committee; Achrya Swami Krishnapriya Hunter, executive director, Kashi Church Fiundation; Tom Malinowski, advocacy director, Human Rights Watch; Father Cedric Prakash, director, Prashant; Sarah Stern, director, Government and Political Affairs Office, American Jewish Congress.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 2 2005, 10:34 AM
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Among ther signatories to the letter were: C Naseer Ahmad, public relations secretary, Ahmadi Muslim Community; Angana Chatterji, Associate professor, California Institute of Integral Studies; Jaswant S Hothi, senior vice president, American Gurudwara Prabhandak Committee; Achrya Swami Krishnapriya Hunter, executive director, Kashi Church Fiundation; blink.gif Tom Malinowski, advocacy director, Human Rights Watch; Father Cedric Prakash, director, Prashant; Sarah Stern, director, Government and Political Affairs Office, American Jewish Congress. blink.gif
What a gang.. tv_feliz.gif
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 3 2005, 11:32 AM
Dear all, People are known by the company they keep. Some of the AID activists like SRIRAM ANANTHANARAYANAN are also actively involved in this anti-Modi campaign by Indian Muslim Council. No wonder they dine with CAIR, Khaleem Kwaja, IMC etc., Others are prominent Indian communists/leftists. Please read this news from India Abroad and emails that I attached below.. pack of lies, devious agenda and political vendetta joining anti-nationals. Another reason NOT to donate to AID. Please send this among Gujarati, Indian community everywhere! SRIRAM ANANTHANARAYANAN is leader of AID JHU see http://www.aidprojects.org/projects-view.asp?login=guest&id=188 ----------------------------------- India Abroad, March 4, 2005: Narendra Modi to Visit US Despite Outcry George Joseph The Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) has refused to withdraw its invitation to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to be the chief guest at its annual convention in Ft Lauderdale, FL, March 24-26. "We have invited the chief minister of Gujarat. We do not differentiate if the chief minister is Nrendra Modi or somebody else", AAHOA Treasurer Danny Patel said. "we are looking for investment opportunities in Gujarat and we want to hear about the prospects from the head of the state government. Of the more than 9000 members of AAHOA, 99 percent are from Gujarat. We are proud to welcome our chief minister. As Indians and Gujaratis, our heart is attached to our motherland", he added. He declined to comment on the Gujarat riots of 2002, in which more than 1,000 people were killed. Modi was chief minister when the riots occurred. Fred Schwartz, President of Atlanta based AAHOA said, " We recognize the concerns over the tragic events that took place in Gujarat in 2002, but we are a business group, not a political group." Patel said there had been tremendous growth in Gujarat under Modi. "We look forward to be part of this success. We are not unduly worried about the protests. Let them do their job and let us do our job", he said. " By inviting Modi AAHOA have chosen to honor a man who as chief minister has shown scant regard for the human rights of minorities in his state and elsewhere", the Indian Muslim Council said. "Under Modi's stewardship thousands of men and boys were hacked to death, and women and girls raped and sexually tortured and humiliated before being burnt alive. The Modi government have been persecuting Christians and moderate Hindus. Let us expose the extremists who are silently and successfully infiltrating power centers in the US, and providing funds to their killer squads in India", the Council added. The protesting organizations said they would demonstrate wherever Modi went. "We have many options if we can not prevent the visit. We will continue the peaceful protests. We will approach the members of AAHOA", Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesperson of the Council on American Islamic Relations said. "The protest is not against AAHOA, India or Gujarat, but against the policies of Modi and his people", Kaleem Kawaja, a spokesperson of the Council said. "Modi has a 10 year multiple entry visa. We are not sure whether the State Department will do anything to prevent the visit", Ashwini Rao, a spokesperson for the Campaign Against Genocide, an umbrella organization of a dozen organizations, said. The Washington DC based Institute on Religion and Public Policy wrote to Secretary of State Condoleza Rice, seeking to bar Modi's visit.The letter requested Rice to not allow this egregious violator the privilege of entering the United States, in keeping with the International Religious Feedom Act of 1998. His planned campaign of religious violence and persecution has been evidenced in his severe violations of religious freedom and is due cause for him to be turned away from our borders." Among ther signatories to the letter were: C Naseer Ahmad, public relations secretary, Ahmadi Muslim Community; Angana Chatterji, Associate professor, California Institute of Integral Studies; Jaswant S Hothi, senior vice president, American Gurudwara Prabhandak Committee; Achrya Swami Krishnapriya Hunter, executive director, Kashi Church Fiundation; Tom Malinowski, advocacy director, Human Rights Watch; Father Cedric Prakash, director, Prashant; Sarah Stern, director, Government and Political Affairs Office, American Jewish Congress. ---------------------------------- Emails circulated by AID, ASHA, ISLAMIC, PAKISTANI coalition vidhi parthasarathy vidhip@systemsmonitor.com wrote:To: sanat.mohanty@gmail.com, rkrishna@wi.rr.com, vaijayantig@yahoo.com, pavitraa@hotmail.com, "Ali Mir" , amitpal@progressive.org, "Ananth Chikkatur" , apunathambek@wisc.edu, "vibha chaswal" , anjali_sridhar@yahoo.com CC: ashamadison-v@yahoogroups.com From: "vidhi parthasarathy" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:09:21 -0600 Subject: [Asha-V] Gujurat - Modi on tour in U.S. in March ...?Subject: [Asha-V] Gujurat - Modi on tour in U.S. in March ...? Friends, Modi may be on tour in U.S. in March. Vidhi Madison,WI Hi Ayeshah and Kiran, (Ayeshah I don't have vidhi's address).I got the following message today-SAFM may want to do some organizing around this in solidarity with other groups in the US. SAPAC is the Chicago-based group that I've been working with. Monika SAPAC's core has already heard about this issue and I apologize for the duplication. Time is of the essence and I am hoping to get input soon. You all should have heard by now about AAHOA (Asian Am Hotel Owners Assoc) inviting Modi as their chief guest at the annual convention in March in FL. He will likely tour the US afterwards. Given that Modi is the government face for the perpetration of the worst communal violence in years in India, I think this is something we can and should do something about, even if it's within the confines of the other groups we belong to. Several groups throughout the US have started working together to strategize on how to get him disinvited and rescind his US visa (both unlikely but may be worth a try), lobby the AAHOA members (worth a try), and to raise a public outcry in the South Asian and mainstream about his role in the Gujrat pogroms (more likely to be successful). I am writing to see if we can each try to enlist secular organizations in this effort. Until now, groups such as IMC and others have been leading this mobilization effort and their leadership has been admirable. Several Hindus in this effort have raised the issue that for our efforts to have traction in the community at large and for PR reasons, more secular groups need to lend us their support and specially more non-Muslims need to lend their names and support. Groups such as SAPAC, YSS, CSFH, OY!, etc need to take a public stand, as can cultural organizations. I have already asked SAPAC's leadership to take a stand and the local Buidling Bridges group will take a stand protesting Modi's invitation by the AAHOA. Those of you who have contacts with CSFH, YSS, Oy!, RadDesi, DRUM, SAALT, etc., can you please contact them and ask them to take a stand and mobilize their constituency? In terms of what taking a stand involves, it can involve making a public statement against Modi being invited by the AAHOA, asking that he be accountable for his lack of actions in 2002, demanding justice for the victims of the pogroms, and such. A coalition has started planning the actions we can take as a group. Members have already assembled a dossier of reports about the Gujrat pogroms, have been in touch with AAHOA members who are against Modi'sappearance, and have even made contacts with several congresspersons. They are holding a 2nd conference call this evening at 6 pm CST. I cannot join in due to the Witness meeting. If any of you can join in, e-mail me and I'll send you the details. In the meanwhile, let me know if you have leads for groups that we can bring into the coalition. [Content of Converstation Follows] From : Kaleem Kawaja Email : kawaja@worldnet.att.net Date : Jan 30 , 2004 Friends: The butcher of Gujarat 2002 Narendra Modi has been invited by the Asian American Hotel Owners of America (AAHOA), an organization comprising mostly of people from the state of Gujarat who own thousands of motels in US, as the chief guest in their convention in March. It is time for all like-minded Indians regardless of who they are to band together and take concrete action in this regard. The following actions can be taken. 1. Write letters to the US State Deptt requesting that based on his criminal & murderous record he should not be given a visa to visit US. 2. If he receives the said visa, we can group together to hold a massive protest against him when he visits US. When he visited London last year the Indian folks there organized a massive protest. 3. Let us not remain silent. Let us organize. A few weeks ago I read an article in India Abroad by Prof Jyoti Motwani, a top Indian-American community leader and top leader of Overseas Friends of BJP, in NYC, who justified the killing of 2000 Muslims following the Godhara train burning incident as a "strategic necessity for India". Kaleem Kawaja Kaleem Kawaja Email : kawaja@worldnet.att.net Date : Feb 16 , 2004 Hello all: As some of you may have heard, Narendra Modi, the butcher of Gujarat, is likely to visit US to be the chief guest at the AAHOA convention in Ft Lauderdale, FL, on March 24-26. A coalition of several Indian humanitarian organizations is planning to organize a protest campaign against Modi/his party BJP/those who are funding the campaigns of oppression of the minorities and secular folks in India. Part of the campaign is publishing advertisements in US newspapers to inform the US public about how the above culprits have violated the human rights of a segment of the preople of Gujarat and India. The Coalition needs the support of everyone who believes in the basic humanity of mankind and believes that these human rights violations are awful. You can provide this support in many forms: Contribute financially so that an advertisement can be published in US newspapers; attend the public protest meetings/rallies (date, venue to be announced). With only 1 month to go time is very short. Some volunteers have started the development of the advertisement. At this time the first and urgent need is to collect donations for the publication of the said advertisement. It will cost quite a few thousand dollars. So your immediate and generous donations are earnestly requested. You may send your donation to the Association of Indian Muslims of America (AIM), one of the members of the above mentioned coalition. Kindly mail your checks to: Association of Indian Muslims of America PO Box 10654, Silver Spring, MD 20914. Many thanks for your generous help. Kaleem Kawaja Name : Nicole Poyyayil Email : npoyyayil@yahoo.com Date : Feb 16, 2005 Initiative: No Visa for Modi Dear Friends I am very concerned about Modis`visit to the USA. As you are fully aware, AAHOA has invited Modi as the chief guest to the 2005 annual convention which will be held on march 24-26th at Ft.Lauderdale, Florida. I strongly emphasize that all possible actions should be taken to prevent Modi from entering the USA. Therefore it needs immediate actions by all of us. On my part, I have already contacted the US Embassy, where the responsible Mr. Scott Hartmann will act accordingly. As to him, it is very important to provide him with detailed facts and proved reasons why Modi should not get a visa to enter the USA. Beeing a swiss citizen, I am compelled to act through the US Embassy in Switzerland. I am counting on you and hope to get your support for this very important action. What could you do: - Please send me a list / summary of detailed facts (incl. sources etc) on Modis criminal actions (past and present). - Please send me the informations as soon as possible - You could also submit the informations directly to Mr. Scott Hartmann to the US Embassy. If you wish to do so, this is the addresse: US Embassy, Visa Section, To the Attn. Mr. Scott Hartmann, 3001 Bern, Switzerland. I strongly believe that any possible actions must be taken and I will definitely do so. Best wishes Nicole Poyyayil Name : Kamala Visweswaran Email : kvis2001@yahoo.com Date : Feb 16 , 2005 !PeoplePeoplePeople! Multitudes, minions, and apparently sleeping masses. Time to do something about Modi's visit. I am ashamed and embarassed at the relative silence on this list about Modi's visit, and the fact that Muslim and Christian organizations have so far had to take the lead in developing the Modi campaign. This is neither fair, nor tactically sound, given the vulnerability of the Muslim community in the US after 9/11. Secular organizations have to step forward to do the work, planning, and to shoulder responsibility. We need to build a broad coalition fast, which includes POI, CAC, CSFH, YSS, DRUM, Mango Sisters, Sakhi, Manavi, Worker's Awaaz, etc. etc. We should definitely make all efforts to get his visa denied, but we cannot expect that it will be. We should write editorials and articles. But we need more. I propose: 1) We aim to mobilize 10 busloads of protesters to converge on Ft. Lauderdale March 24-25. Let's organize some freedom rides down the East Coast and into Florida to make M-24 Indian diaspora anti-genocide day. We need to issue a call immediately, rent the buses (maybe ANSWER has some discount rates we can avail of), literature, street theatre, drumming (Raja is hereby nominated) and agit prop. (I will try to mobilize a bus from Texas). 2) We tell AAHOA that if they persist in "honoring" Modi, we are organizing a massive boycott call of all AAHOA owned hotels in the US and Canada. We will take out ads, jam the diaspora list-servs, and show up unannounced at Patel Motels everywhere with signs, stickers, and literature explaining the boycott and listing alternate hotels in the area to be patronized. I propose we form two commitees to organize each mobilization, and further propose that the East Coast FOILers who are more numerous and have more critical mass TAKE CHARGE NOW. We have 5 weeks to pull off something massive. Please, people let's have the next slew of e-mails be people signing up to do work on either committee. We can debate the finer points of the mobilizational strategies in the work groups; let's not do it on the listserv. Kamala Name : SRIRAM ANANTHANARAYANAN Email : sriram@jhu.edu i'm in. particularly with committe number 2. do you have a list of action items? should we start by writing out an appeal of sorts, maybe a letter to send to aahoa bigwigs, and the participants in the trade show? what about letters to the state regarding the visa stuff? once more people have signed up, maybe we should have a phone conference one of these evenings to thrash out action items. sri Name : Kamala Visweswaran Email : kvis2001@yahoo.com Hi Sri: You are hereby nominated to head up the Boycott Committee; thanks. smile.gif Who else is joining? Can you come up w/a list of action items, maybe brainstorm w/some Alliance people? Who else is signing up to work on this committee. Yes, there is a letter being drafted to the AAHOA suggesting that a boycott will happen. It will circulate soon. Can also get you the membership list of AAHOA id the committee wants to do mailings to them. Good idea to do a conference call in the next few days to consolidate ideas and strategy. Kamala Name : SRIRAM ANANTHANARAYANAN Email : sriram@jhu.edu among others, these are some of the action items i could think off straight away: 1) boycott letter needed. 2) checked the aahoa website (http://www.aahoa.com). i think we should concentrate our emails more on the founding sponsor list (under "allied directory" on the left hand side). these have people from all over the country, and from different companies who can ill-afford bad publicity. this is in direct contrast to the board of directors (out of 9, 8 are patels), the exec committee (out of 10, 9 are patels), and the regional directors (out of 18, 17 are patels). all these can be found under "about aahoa" on left hand side. it is very likely that many of these people are quite entrenched with the sangh's philosophy, else they wouldn't have invited him in the first place. 3) we should consider contacting newspapers (particularly the investigative journalists) in atlanta (aahoa hq) and fort lauderdale (conf venue). there are 5 major newspapers in atlanta and 4 major ones in ft lauderdale. we could use the letter as a template, you know talk of the pogrom that took place in gujarat, the modi-govt's complicity, as well as the support the sangh recieves from expats in the states and request them to do an investigation, and a write-up. 4) we should also i think try and send the letter to managers/employees in the various companies that are there as founding sponsors of the aahoa. 5) maybe think of sending it to investigative journalists in other newspapers as well. 6) send it to hotels that are NOT under the aahoa. if nothing else they would like to help in hurting their competition. please add more as you see fit. we should probably have a conf call this weekend. thanks, sri Dear Sri: These items are a terrific start. Am not sure that the other letter will circulate after all, but perhaps it's not bad to have multiple letters to AAHOA. Great idea to send letter to the sponsors and to non-member hotels of AAHOA. I think we should also think about what a long term successful boycott would look like. Can we draw up a two year time frame? I think we may need to do a little research for the longterm: 1) What are the strategies used by other successfu boycotts: i.e. UAW boycott of grapes, GLBT boycott of Coors, etc? 2)How much money do AAHOA hotels make a year? Do they derive any part of their business from Universities, which we use student pressure to boycott? We should research the Ft. Lauderdale hotel/university connections first: if we find a link, we can use that to mobilize students in the area. 3)what percentage of the hotels are roadside POTELS? If we find that a alrge number of them are distributed along interstates, we will need to figure out a way of publicly identifying them. --Kamala Saadia Toor Editor http://ghadar.insaf.net (Pakistani Activist) Email : saadiatoor@yahoo.com may i also suggest that we mobilise support through other, non-south-asian social justice channels? for instance, if we can send a press release or action alert out to indymedia or z-net or something, that will help spread the word, and help in fund raising should we decide to go with any of the crazy ideas i'm about to throw out. i think it's best to have a base of support that is not limited to south asians or people of south asian descent... or at least hope that we can. and maybe this sounds very ambitious or whacky, but what about sending something, a short op-ed piece or a letter to the editor, to _the nation_? also, i think we may need to consider taking ads out in a newspaper or magazine? i have no idea how much buying space on a major newspaper would cost, but if we could manage to pool the resources of all or most of the organisations and groups fighting hindutva in the US, couldn't we manage something? having our message out there in a major newspaper conveys some! thing about our strength and sends a message to the powers-that-be within the US political scene as well. and as long as i'm throwing out crazy ideas, how much does renting billboards cost? i can get in touch with ad-busters, whose raison d'etre is subversive anti-advertising, for help. we could do posters and flyers (and billboards?) using modi's words and the obnoxious cheery posters of the gujarat tourism board (which hit me as soon as i came out of the international terminal at JFK last year) in which modi invites people to come to gujarat for garba ras!! saadia ============== Kaleem Kawaja, the initiator of this exchange is well known for his support to Taliban, in this article http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01032002/0103200254.htm where he asks his brother to spare tears for Taliban. SRIRAM ANANTHANARAYANAN is leader of AID JHU see http://www.aidprojects.org/projects-view.asp?login=guest&id=188 Note the presence of Pakistanis like Ms. Toor in the exchange. What is Kashi Church Fiundation ?? another "foot in the door" strategy by missionaries ?? and "Father Cedric Prakash" , the famous missionary scum from India?
Posted by: utepian Mar 9 2005, 02:37 PM
There is an online petition from the known worthies asking AAHOA to rescind the invitation to Narendra Modi from their conclave. It can be found at: http://www.petitiononline.com/dccsa5/petition.html Funnily, people are visiting the petition and signing against the petition! It is good idea. The comments are open. It might be worthwhile to make your comments towards the petition be known.
Posted by: narayanan Mar 10 2005, 07:36 AM
Free publicity is one thing, useful information is another. For instance, take http://www.petitiononline.com/dccsa5/petition.html Would you deny readers the opportunity to go sign this worthy petition? I am considering telling everyone I KNOW to go sign it. Perhaps so should you. Take inspiration from the signatures there, and please note for future reference that one can sign multiple times - a true indication of People's Democracy. Oh! it should be great when they go present that list to whoever is to receive the Petition.
Posted by: Viren Mar 10 2005, 07:43 AM
n3.gif: The petition will be delivered with the numbers sans comments - that's the probem. Look forward to a news clip in some pink or red rag in next couple months saying - 'online petition against yada yada...created by .... generated X gazillion signatures'
Posted by: narayanan Mar 10 2005, 09:33 AM
The Petition will have to have a list of signees if not comments. Yes, numbers are all they will admit, but what's to prevent their "friends" like us from faithfully capturing and reproducing that list of signors and comments on, say, a BLOG? I think this may be a good thing to do immediately because like the AID pages, that Petition page's life expectancy is less than that of the Jharkand government.
Posted by: acharya Mar 10 2005, 10:33 AM
Please make copies of these comments for future reference. Never lose an opportunity like this
Posted by: utepian Mar 10 2005, 11:03 AM
From my experience with Petitiononline, removing objectionable signatures is a manual process that the site's tech support will undertake only when they have the time and if they have the time. Removing the comments is far easier, but what are they going to tell the tech support about the names - err, remove signature # 152, 153, 167, 282-195, but do not remove # 213-215? The petition is botched. I agree with N3K. In fact I'd suggest people sign with their real names (many I know have) and make constructive comments about why they oppose the petition. On another note the SOBs have now targeted doctors in Gujarat. Never underestimate the meanness of these worthies. http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=11588
Posted by: Viren Mar 10 2005, 11:07 AM
QUOTE (narayanan @ Mar 10 2005, 10:36 AM)
http://www.petitiononline.com/dccsa5/petition.html
Who exactly are the authors of this petition? What is a "DC Collective of South Asia"?
Posted by: utepian Mar 10 2005, 11:26 AM
QUOTE (Viren @ Mar 10 2005, 11:37 PM)
QUOTE (narayanan @ Mar 10 2005, 10:36 AM)
http://www.petitiononline.com/dccsa5/petition.html
Who exactly are the authors of this petition? What is a "DC Collective of South Asia"?
Rag-tag group of desi commies and Pakis for whom the pee sized riots of Gujarat dwarfs the Niagra Falls sized ongoing genocide happening in the rest of "South Asia". The "South Asia" part really is the big give-away. Kaleem Kawaja is part of the "collective".
Posted by: utepian Mar 10 2005, 12:46 PM
http://www.nysun.com/article/10338 Matthews of 'Hardball' Retreats from Speech After Muslim Protest BY JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun March 10, 2005 URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/10338 A prominent talk show host has canceled a speech to a conference of Indian-American hoteliers after coming under pressure from Muslim organizations and human-rights groups, who said another speaker invited to the meeting has a record of condoning anti-Muslim violence. The host of MSNBC's "Hardball," Chris Matthews, announced yesterday that he would not appear as planned on March 24 at the Asian-American Hotel Owners Association meeting in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. "Due to a scheduling conflict, Chris Matthews has canceled this appearance," an MSNBC spokesman, Jeremy Gaines, said. He would not elaborate on the nature of the conflict. In recent days, Muslim activists and others flooded the network with calls, letters, and e-mail urging Mr. Matthews to distance himself from the group. An Indian official billed as the "chief guest" at the meeting, Narendra Modi, has been accused of tolerating anti-Muslim violence in the state of Gujarat, where he is chief minister. The president of the Indian Muslim Council-USA, Dr. Ashwini Rao blink.gif of New York, said he does not credit the official explanation for Mr. Matthews's action. "Most likely, that's not correct, because we've been talking to him for the last week and a half, at least, and they've never said it's a scheduling conflict," Dr. Rao said. "I was hoping he'd take a more moral stance." Mr. Modi has been condemned by various human rights groups for failing to rein in anti-Muslim riots in 2002 that led to the deaths of more than 1,000 Gujarat residents. The Indian governor was "directly involved in this pogrom and this hatred," Dr. Rao asserted. He said Mr. Modi espouses a supremacist philosophy known as Hindutva. "This is an ideology that was inspired by Mussolini and Hitler. They want to have the same thing in India, where India is solely for upper-caste Hindus," Dr. Rao said. Last month, 30 human-rights activists asked Secretary of State Rice to block Mr. Modi's trip to America. They labeled him an "egregious violator" of religious freedom and said he should be barred from the country under a 1998 law, the International Religious Freedom Act. Among the signatories to the letter are the director of the religious freedom program at Freedom House, Nina Shea, and the advocacy director at Human Rights Watch, Thomas Malinowski. One of those who helped draft the letter pointed out that the human rights violations in Gujarat have been documented in State Department reports. "We're not trying to tell them anything different that they don't already know," an official with the Washington-based Institute on Religion and Public Policy, Benjamin Marsh, said. Mr. Marsh said that if the 1998 law is used to bar the Indian official, it would be the first time that provision has been used. "We're trying to set a precedent here that Mr. Modi is a perfect example of someone not to let into the country," Mr. Marsh said. A spokesman for the State Department, Steven Pike, said his agency has a policy of not commenting on visa issues involving specific people. "That is an individual matter between him and the consulate," Mr. Pike said. An official at the Indian Embassy in Washington referred calls about Mr. Modi's visit to the Indian consulates in New York and Houston. Diplomats there did not respond to requests for comment. Mr. Modi is also to make a speech to an Indian-American group in the theater at Madison Square Garden on March 20 before he visits Florida. "I don't see any reason why he should be stopped to come here," an organizer of the New York event, Sunil Nayak, said in an interview. "The purpose of the trip is strictly business. Basically, he's coming here to let people know what development has taken place in the state of Gujarat." Mr. Nayak, a hotel owner from New Brunswick, N.J., said Mr. Modi is popular with Indian-Americans in the hospitality business. "Most of the Patels that you have heard of are from the same state," Mr. Nayak said. He noted that the 2002 riots are the subject of continuing litigation in India. "It's an event they are talking about that's three years old. He's innocent until proven guilty," Mr. Nayak said. "He's been elected after the event, so the people have given him the mandate." Mr. Nayak flatly rejected the claims that Mr. Modi wants to create a state modeled on the Nazi regime. "It's absolutely not true," Mr. Nayak said. "Nazism and Hitler has only been brought in to get Jewish people involved in this." Mr. Modi's critics are planning protests outside the speeches at New York and Florida. The treasurer of the hotel owners' group, Dilipkumar Patel of Atlanta, said Mr. Matthews notified the group last Friday of his decision to drop out. "We received a notice from his office: he's going to cancel," Mr. Patel said. "Why did he cancel? We have not even asked him." A person familiar with the situation said Mr. Matthews did not learn until recently about the other speakers on the conference program. Mr. Patel said he harbors no ill will toward the fast-talking television host, who was to receive between $45,000 and $50,000 for the speech. Mr. Patel did express resentment toward Mr. Modi's opponents for attempting to squelch the minister's appearances in America. "It means they are controlling me. They are telling me what to do. They are trying to control my freedom of speech," Mr. Patel said. In a bizarre and mysterious twist, some in the press corps learned of Mr. Matthews's decision from a Council on American-Islamic Relations aaskull.gif news release that was distributed to reporters yesterday via an e-mail list the Pentagon uses to circulate stories about the military. ohmy.gif The Pentagon later issued a statement calling the distribution unintentional and saying it had "taken steps to guard against a recurrence." ohmy.gif A spokesperson for the Islamic group, Rabiah Ahmed, denied that her organization sent the message out through the Pentagon list. liar.gif "We had nothing to do with it," she said. "Apparently, somebody hacked into their computer system and sent out our press release on their listserv." aaskull.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 10 2005, 01:42 PM
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Institute on Religion and Public Policy, Benjamin Marsh
Who is this dude ? Name sounds familiar..
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 10 2005, 01:49 PM
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Benjamin Marsh, Washington Director of the Dalit Freedom Network and a Resident Fellow at the Institute on Religion and Public Policy
IRPP's website.. http://www.religionandpolicy.org/programs/index.php
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Understanding Faith: A Call to Action and Responsibility * The Catholic Church in the Third Millennium * Center on Jewish Civilization * Unity and Discord in the Muslim World: The Face of Modern Islam * The Evangelical Experience in American Life * Ecumenism and Inter-religious Dialogue * Spiritual Expansion: New Religious Movements
http://www.religionandpolicy.org/programs/aap_nonproliferation.php
Posted by: narayanan Mar 10 2005, 02:48 PM
So clearly, Paki Al Qaida (a redundant phrase) have access to the Pentagon's email "circulating news about military..." Sweet.
Posted by: utepian Mar 10 2005, 03:37 PM
What you just pointed out Narayanan, not only puzzles me but worries me. CAIR has a distribution outlet in the Pentagon?
Posted by: narayanan Mar 10 2005, 06:55 PM
Don't u think people should ask their Senators and Congresspeople this question? THIS is "Homeland Security"? The Al Qaida is monitoring Pentagon email lists, and posting the occasional message when they feel like it? What IS the Pentagon's explanation for this?
Posted by: aruni Mar 10 2005, 08:15 PM
--------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:25:37 -0500 Friends, Please see the below report from a newspaper in NYC. Please look at the last 3 paragraphs. It says that someone hacked into the Pentagon computer system and used it to distribute the CAIR report about CM withdrawing from Modi event, on a Pentagon listserv. Obviously this is bad news for our campaign. I suggest the following actions ASAP. 1. Issue a press release to all media (US, Indian) saying that we have checked, and that no one associated with CAG or its affiliates had anything to do with this event. 2. We should talk to CAIR senior management and request them to do something about these kinds of things. The US/Indian media (not our friends) will blow it up into a "militant Muslim campaign against Modi". CAIR should be requested to take a low profile from now on. Thanks. Kaleem Kawaja http://www.nysun.com/article/10338 Matthews of 'Hardball' Retreats from Speech After Muslim Protest BY JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun March 10, 2005 A prominent talk show host has canceled a speech to a conference of Indian-American hoteliers after coming under pressure from Muslim organizations and human-rights groups, who said another speaker invited to the meeting has a record of condoning anti-Muslim violence.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 10 2005, 08:26 PM
WOW, This is serious. Mullahs are playing with Pentagon and militant Muslims campaigning against Modi. Now Kaleem Kawaja wants to hide. I hope FBI is not sleeping.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 10 2005, 11:42 PM
It keeps getting better and better.. ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif
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283. kaleem kawaja Beloveds! Our Mujaheddin have broken into the Pentagon computers and sent a message claiming that Talk Show Host has cancelled his appearance at Modi function. A great victory in the Jehad! Now we try to break into other computers, because we are Pakis and we an IT superpower! 278. anonyn This petition is bogus. Evidence and not propoganda/rants is what courts believe. Modi is innocent until proven guilty. Reject this petition. 277. gordon graham bar modi forever 271. Profet Murder Mahamad Modi, you are welcome. America honour you for your excellent contributions for the war on terror. USA want to closely work with you in this endaevor. 267. Prophet Mao I am Prophet Mao speaking from Heaven of Middle Kingdom. I am happy to note that most indians are still as stupid about as their leader Nehru, that running dog of emperialists was in 1962. I declare Modi is a threat to the dictatorship of Comrades and our Comardes-in-arms Mullahs. I ordain all my followers to oppse Modi. Teach him a lesson, just like I taught Nehru long back. 266. CRaj I oppose this petition. Mr. Modi should be welcomed to USA. 265. Prophet Pol Pot I am Prophet Pol Pot speaking from Communist Utopia. I urge all my supporters to sign this petition wich my low rank deciple Comrade Vijay Prashad has inspired. I love CounterPunch. 263. Arun Shetty A sham petition put together by handful shameless propagandist with dubious agenda 262. Governor Razi , Sultan of Jharkand Bismillah! Finally I find someone who UNDERSTANDS democracy. The minority here is those who oppose Modi's visit to Amreeka, so they are clearly the winners. This is what Sonia Begum told me, and she has such a gora butt, (Oooo!!!!) she must be right. Now this stupid Supreme Court and that Kufr Abdul Kalaam, namak-haraam, are being unkind to me. I WANT to be governor. BwaaaaH!!!! Bwaaaaaa!!!! 261. Javed Akthar As a Mussalman, it is my duty to oppose a Kafir, that too a Hindu activist. Modi should be banned and should be brought to books. 260. Vijay Prashad Mr. Modi should be Welcomed in US. I was wrong to make statements against him. Now I see that Christian and Islamic thugs were using me, (they did not pay me as they promised). I OPPOSE THIS PETITION. 259. Chatur Naar Karke Shringar Modiji is so cute 258. aam aadmi Ignore this stupid petition. Dept. of HomeLand Security I have news for you.Whoever is supporting this petition grab them and deport immediately. Supporters of this petition are also Supporters of Terrorism. 257. comrade stalin This guy is enemy of the people. Send him to gulag. 256. comrade stalin This guy is enemy of the people. Send him to gulag. 255. aam aadmi Ignore this stupid petition. Dept. of HomeLand Security I have news for you. However is supporting this petition grab them and deport immediately. Supporters or this petition are also Supporters of Terrorism. 254. Osama bin laden As a democratic peaceful right-minded person I oppose modi's entry into US. I want America to get this man then I will GET america. 252. Dharmayudh Singh I fully support & endorse Shri Narendra Modi's visit to the USA. He is being targeted by the Islamist-Communist nexus. He is the only one who stands & defends Hindus against the holocaust perpetrated upon them by the Islamists for a millenia. He is a crucial component on the worlds "War on Terror" against the forces of religious obscurantism (Islamists) and totalitarianism (Communists). 249. Paedophile Prophet I am Mohammad the Prophet speaking from Hell. I am enjoying the company of false prophets like Marx and Pol Pot here. I urge all I my followers to sign this petition. I hate Modi, the Kafir. 248. Chuttar Kaur Narendra Modi zindabad. Oye Ghateya tu ghar aa. 247. Ghanta Singh Narendra Modi zindabad. Balle! Balle! 246. Teesta Setalwad I notice that someone has spuriously signed my name, misspilled, here. I OBJECT and DEMAND Suprme Court intervention - my poppa owns the Supreme Court and I know too much about Sonia so the Congress is "behind" me. I did NOT sign this petition, because I was too busy drafting the Official Affidavit for Zaheera Sheikh to sign blindly, thinking it was a Petition to invite Sonia to Mumbai. Also, I am disappointed in FOIL. I paid them so much good Pakistani-printed US dollars to write a Meticulous Reseach Report, and they wasted it on drugs and group sex, and their Report was laughed off. Like this Petition will be. 245. Paedophile Prophet I am Mohammad the Prophet speaking from Hell. I am enjoying the company of false prophets like Marx and Pol Pot here. I urge all I my followers to sign this petition. I hate Modi, the Kafir. 243. Mohammed Sarfraz as an indian muslim..i am proud of sri narendra modi and his achievements in gujarat. this is a pakistani conspiracy to tarnish the image of indian muslims. all these organisations are made up of pakis and or commies. long live modi.. 242. Bikas Chakravarty Welcome to USA Mr. Modi 241. Anwar Pranaam, Modiji. And welcome. 240. Vikas Karndikar The supporter of the Modi Brigade have shown their support for Modi, but if they against the petition to rescinding modi's visit to USA, then why have they signed this petition. I know the idiotic and bramnistic thoughts still ruining the whole of India. And the visit of Modi is a threating call to the western world about the intrusion of a virus which is more dangerous than HIV+, which will destroy the whole humanity from this world. ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif 239. Woh Subah I will go with the majority here. Warm welcome to Modi, we need more like you. Why object to Modi, will be object to Bush or Mush visiting India? 238. vijay wankhede punish all the perpetrator of Gujrat violence including Modi. 234. Vikram This degraded and totally inhuman and uncivilised petition campaign is proof to the whole world about the nature of muslims. These sorry excuse for a human being called muslims are the same everywhere - India, UK, US, Thailand, Russia, even Guam. These are beasts that ALWAYS bite the hand that feeds them. Inadvertently muslims are educating the whole world about their degraded selves by spurious campaigns like the current one wherein the entire cycle of vicious hatred was started by muslims by their savage roasting of hindu women and children in a train. And when human beings around put the muslim animals in their rightful place, they are crying for civil rights which animals like them never deserve anyway. POWER TO MODI !!!
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 10 2005, 11:47 PM
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232. Vikram Singh A cursory look at the comments here will tell you that most people support Modi. Only anti-India leftists and muslims are opposed to Modi-ji. India's biggest threat comes from muslims who live in India. Most of them are Pakistani agents working to destroy India from within. All those who love India must support Modiji and fight againt those people who hate our country . 230. vicky bernard WOW. the muslims have completely forgotten that it is they who initiated the violence. hindus only reacted. so dear mulsims, how many of you are willing to condemn first your co religionists violence?? 228. vicky bernard how can anyone petition against modi?? he is democratically elected cheif minister of a progressive state. this is a silly petition. welcome Mr. Modi! ignore the rantings of all these fools who dont know the meaning of democracy. you have done nothing harm to USA. May your visit be a successful one. Amen 227. ThisPetStinks If you guys spend a part of this effort fighting islamofascism and reforming your religion, you will create a better life for your and our kids in the future. You guys cannot even smell the stench in your own backyard. Don't you guys ever do any introspection. I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PETITION 226. Marekomat Maro God bless Modi 225. Jibharke Maro Model is a development oriented CM. I hope he becomes India's PM one day. 224. Kyunateri Maru Modi rocks! 222. Rosemary Maro Narendra Modi is a model chief minister. Welcome of USA 218. Raj Mehta With all this talk about Modi being this and that , whats gone unnoticed is the planned suicide attack by LeT on Indian Military Academy and major IT companies in Bangalore......luck was on our side and the terrorists of Lashkar were caught before they could do the job....But whats interesting is that out of the 5-6 terrorists who were caught , only 2 were from Pakistan. Rest were born and bred in India - UP , Bihar, West Bengal. Including those who were to carry out the suicide attack on IMA cadets. For far too long we have been told to take pride in the fact that not a single Indian muslim worked for Al Qaeda.....HELLO!!! Indian Muslims have no interest in Al Qaeda - which has USA and Israel as its biggest enemies. Indian Muslims are more into India-specific organisations such as Lashkar-e-Toiba , Jaish-e-Mohammad and so on... Do you people understand what I am saying ? Indian muslims have declared war on India. Modi is the first Indian leader to have truly recognised that threat. 217. Venkat Subramanyam Modi is a hero ..an Indian patriot. All those opposing Modi are lovers of Pakistan. Most muslims in India are Pakistani agents. I oppose this petition. As an American citizen , I welcome Shri.Modi to the US. If India is to survive as a nation ..all muslims must be eliminated. 213. angana chatterji I am bigger liar than Comrade Shalini Gera! Be a liar like me! Join the pay of the ISI! Welcome Mr. Modi! 212. Biju Matthew I second Shalini Liar Gera. Inquilab Zindabad! I need more hashish! 210. Osammy's Mommy My Faithfools! Ban Modi! Invite Jagdish Tytler the Sikh-Murderer! Jai Sonia! 209. Shalini Liar Gera, Promise of India "Trustee" Reed mah Sabrang/FOIL Intellechul Ripport. Donate to Promise of India to Beijing Comrades 207. Abdul Wahid Osman Belal, Advocate High Court The contents of the petition speak for itself. 204. jd bond Look at the petitioner. Almost all of the muslims. Are these people going to oppose entry of Osama Bin Laden to USA??Hell No!!!! Facism at it's best. Cosigners of this petition are sympathezier of taleban!!!! And after that they talk about "what" oh ya "secularism"!!! speaks the volume. Modi ji come to USA. We peace loving Hindus welcome you with open arms. 202. nitin shekhar Let MODI come to USA. When facist Muslims (and their gang leaders like Mia Musharraf) can go anywhere why a saint like Modi who is here to protect hindus be stopped. Muslim facism at it's best!!!
Posted by: Viren Mar 11 2005, 06:16 AM
People! People! People!...minions.... WTF happened? laugh.gif
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they said that the visit has aroused so much interest that they are unable to accommodate all and are issuing entry passes.
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=43087
Posted by: acharya Mar 11 2005, 10:26 AM
We should talk to CAIR senior management and request them to do something about these kinds of things. The US/Indian media (not our friends) will blow it up into a "militant Muslim campaign against Modi". CAIR should be requested to take a low profile from now on.
Posted by: narayanan Mar 11 2005, 11:13 AM
This is Kaleem "Spare a Tear For the Taliban" Kawaja. IMC has "nothing to do" with CAIR, right? ROTFL.gif Hey, rajesh, another download may be appropriate. Score passed 300 with excellent new stroke-play tv_feliz.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 11 2005, 11:31 AM
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308. Mahender Modi should be allowed to visit . If Radavon Kharadzik is allowed why not he ? He is innocent until proven guilty . This is Islamic-Marxist conspiracy against Hindus . Wake up Indians , people who are opposing are Pakistani agents 307. Abdul Bin Kabul BELOVEDS! Kafirs! Stop this Modi. Please support AID, whose leaders SRIRAM ANANTHANARAYANAN [Johns Hopkins University] and our own Akhila Raman of ISI. Along with Kamala V. they have arranged big protest. See Kamala's email: ) 1) We aim to mobilize 10 busloads of protesters to converge on Ft. LauderdaleMarch 24-25. Massive boycott of hotels. Who is paying for all this? Same people who are renting these leaders by the hour. Very noble. We buy and use kufr wimmens and jhu fools to do our job. 306. Mahender Modi should be allowed to visit . If Radavon Kharadzik is allowed why not he ? He is innocent until proven guilty . This is Islamic-Marxist conspiracy against Hindus . Wake up Indians , people who are opposing are Pakistani agents 304. Sudhir WELCOME MODI ! He's innocent until proven guilty," Mr. Nayak said. "He's been elected after the event, so the people have given him the mandate." 303. Manoj The below's excerpt is from http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/6640_450922,001600320002.htm , All south asian groups , Indian Muslim groups , LEFTISTS groups like FOIL (Federation of Inquilabi Leftists ) , SINGH FOUNDATION (which pumps money to all Anti-India activities ) , Asha , AID are all ANTI-INDIA organizations on pay rolls of Pakistani and Western Intelligence to CONTAIN INDIA and tarnish it's image . INDIANS KEEP ALL THEIR MEMBERS UNDER CONSTANT SURVELLIENCE . THEY ARE TRAITORS , Enemies of bharat . ZINDABAD ZINDABAD PSMI ZINDABAD -- PSMI (Patriotic Sons of Mother India ) http://geocities.com/enemiesof bharat 302. Manoj Kaushik YOU SHOULD READ THIS TO UNDERSTAND WHOS PURPOSE THIS PETITION SERVES -- --- "Pakistan's strategy has been to exploit the Jammu and Kashmir issue, spread false propaganda against India, since it is assured that if India gets on board of the UNSC(United Nations Security Council) it will use the opportunity to settle the Jammu and Kashmir issue to its advantage, as Jammu and Kashmir is a key international issue that UNSC (United Nations Security Council) must decide. So in order to block India's case it has been supporting and funding NGO's [Dear Indian , You have to ask yourself Who are these NGO's ??? ] and support groups that spring up during UN General Assembly to spread anti-India propaganda. [What they Do ]- They send petitions on issues ranging from Gujarat violence to human rights violations by Indian security forces. Besides another argument is that permanent membership would be seen as a reward for India for developing nuclear weapons" 301. Harpal Singh Praaji wrote some unconstitutional stuff onlee.. 300. Sukanya Jha Where is the evidence to show that Modi was responsible ? No one is guilty until proven in the court of law , just as it is applies to your darling S. A. R. Gilani (parliament accused) . Why don't you file a case and prove that against Modi ? Circulating canards and mass hysteria creates more rift between comunities . STOP SUCH FOOLISH PETITION 299. Nagraj Modi Ji ! WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME TO USA .... ! Don't worry about these Pakistani puppets in Indian skin , their fathers are pakistani Jihadis . Now these grown ups are under supervision of mullas . See Ashwini Rao is Indian Muslim Councils PRESIDENT . A Hindu name carrying sulla is president , By the way when ashwini got converted to Islam ? 298. Jaswinder Singh Welcome to Modi , WELCOME . These morons who are opposing are such a nasty hypocrites and cowards , they don't protest for Sikh riots when congress leaders come to USA . MODI DID HIS BEST TO PREVENT RIOTS . No CM till date was implicated like this .we had 2500 riots in India , why the heck this time BJP CM's are targetted like this .These rascals should protest for all riots . SHAMLESS BAS#%#$% and BI@#$% 296. RGS http://geocities.com/enemiesofbharat , VISIT and learn about these ISI agents who posted this petition . remember anything south asian and Progressive and members listed in the website are agents of Pakistan , whos aim is to destroy image of india abroad . 295. S Chou Modi should be WELCOME to US! 294. Butcher of Anantnag This is Mufti Mohammad Sayeed, also fondly called Butcher of Anantnag by Kafirs speaking. I insist all momins should oppose Modi ,the Kafir Butcher. ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif 293. Kaleem Kawaja Brothers, while doing the holy task of destroying Modi, can you spare a tear for my beloved Talibaan. biggrin.gif 292. Liakat Syed I requist AAHOA to withdraw invetatin fron Narendar Modi Lahori egnilsh at its best 291. Justice (Buy me now) Banerjee This Sunil is a Hindutva spy here. He calls Jalianwala Bagh a massacre when my Inquiry proved that it was an Accident. Col. O'Dwyer's soldiers had empty guns when they left, proving that they did not fire. The Fundamentalists in the Bagh lit fires which caused ammunition to explode, killing them. Read my Godhra Report. Anyway, Godhra never happened - Modi planned the riots to prevent India from punishing Pakistan. Bless him - because of that, we are giving free haircuts to visiting Pakis in Amritsar, and soon Lal Kila will have Lal Nishaan flying. They promised me that. Jai Laloo! Jai Cattle-Feed Thieves! Jai Godhra murderers! ROTFL.gif my favorite.. 289. Petition Atuthors It is a shame that this petition is hijacked by Kafirs, Bourgeois, and Commanalists of all denominations. We plan to cancel this petition and start another one where comments will not be allowed. Do not forget to sign there. 285. Sunil That�s a narrow minded and hatred approach. By publishing such a stupid petition you are also spreading hate against Gujarat and Hindus. Infect there were lot of atrocities against Indians in the past, should we tie ourselves with the past ghost and start taking the revenge? Look for new hope and spread love. Learn from Gandhiji, who preached us ahimsa and love. Would you dare to hate every wrong doer? Then you should hate those too who used nuclear weapons against civilians, who butchered hundreds of innocents in Jaliyawala bagh and communists who are murdering innocents all over the world.
Posted by: utepian Mar 11 2005, 01:37 PM
There is good news guys. Mainstream groups and forums (littlegreenfootballs for example) have picked up the hacking news and are also amazed. My suggestion is for IFites to give their input in those forums as well. http://www.internet-haganah.us/harchives/003791.html http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15016_Why_is_DoD_Email_List_Used_by_CAIR#comments
Posted by: utepian Mar 11 2005, 04:34 PM
'Spoofing' blamed in Pentagon's distribution of group's press release' http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=27670
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A spokesman for CAIR, a Washington-based Muslim advocacy group, said it had nothing to do with the infiltration. “It wasn’t us,” liar.gif said Ibrahim Hooper. “We didn’t even know there was such a list.”
HE DID IT HE DID IT HE DID IT HE DID IT HE DID IT
Posted by: narayanan Mar 11 2005, 08:38 PM
The Petition is dead, Long Live the Petition. tv_feliz.gif Gotta summarize those comments. I think the final ones by Shibhu Soren, Abdul bin Kabul etc. which were there earlier today, are lost forever. Flush.gif It must be Abdul's revelation of the AID - Johns Hopkins University plans to rent 10 buses full of commie-Pakis that finally did the Petition in. sad.gif
Posted by: Mudy Mar 11 2005, 08:46 PM
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Massive boycott of hotels. Who is paying for all this?
80% hotel comes under this Umbrella. 60% are best priced motels. Well let’s see whether they can real boycott these places. 10 busloads of homeless if they can find biggrin.gif
Posted by: Viren Mar 11 2005, 09:26 PM
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Johns Hopkins University plans to rent 10 buses full of commie-Pakis
Let's hope they get those buses with bunk beds or some sleeping space. I mean if it's a overnight affair, surely they wouldn't want to check it at one of those AAOHA hotels biggrin.gif Would look mighty stupid having a nice snooze in the hotel, getting up in the morning to a free continental breakfast and standing out later in the day protesting against the same hotel association.
Posted by: narayanan Mar 11 2005, 09:32 PM
I wonder if they've checked who owns the hotel for the next IMC or AID Annual Convention and Tamasha. Maybe they'll move from the Patel-owned hotels to the Grinstein-owned hotels? ROTFL.gif
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islam-infonet@cair.biglist.com
Anything we can download to become enlightened? Looks like this is one of the lists the DoD monitors "religiously". lmaosmiley.gif
Posted by: k.ram Mar 15 2005, 05:07 PM
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(Call to Action) To: All located in U.S. Please call this American Express number thanking them for their support of sponsoring the Modi event: 212-640-3103 Commies are campaigning to Amex withdraw the sponsorship.
Posted by: k.ram Mar 16 2005, 03:44 PM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1282192,00050001.htm
Posted by: narayanan Mar 16 2005, 03:53 PM
Pitt being on the India Caucus is like me being on all the FOIL's mailing lists. tv_feliz.gif "Attentive listener". The other guy seems on par with .. (no comment). Wonder why Burton and Pakistan's premier Foreign Investor, the Congressman from Connecticut, are silent. This news doesn't mean anything. They're just saying what they are paid to say.
Posted by: Viren Mar 16 2005, 04:02 PM
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Congressman from Connecticut, are silent.
You mean New Hampshire n3.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 16 2005, 05:23 PM
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Modi asked to take party along Sanjay Singh/ New Delhi Gujarat Chief minister Narendra Modi could be asked by the central BJP leadership to expand his council of ministers, appoint BJP legislators as chairpersons of various state controlled boards and have a better interface between the Government and the party. As the dissidents' activity against Mr Modi gained fresh momentum in Gandhinagar, BJP president LK Advani had a luncheon meeting with senior Gujarat leader Keshubhai Patel, in whom the party dissidents had placed their confidence. The apparent purpose of inviting Mr Patel for lunch was to discuss the matter in a more relaxed and hospitable atmosphere. The party leadership did not want fresh trouble in Gujarat at a time when BJP was in a revival mode after assembly elections. A day ago, Mr Advani had dinner with party MPs from Gujarat at Gujarat Bhawan on Tuesday night. While Mr Advani being an MP from Gandhinagar occasionally attends dinner meetings with MPs during the Parliament session, Tuesday's dinner had a significance attached to it. Sources said though Mr Advani held that Mr Modi had governed the state well and led Gujarat on the path of development, he was not happy with his "highly individualistic" style of functioning. Politics, after all did not only mean providing better administration but it was more about taking the party along in matters of policy making. It was thus important that the party cadres felt that their voice was being heard by those in the Government on issues relating to governance in their respective areas, a senior party leader said. A senior party leader said the dissidents held a grudge against Mr Modi's "autocratic" style of functioning and did not hold any other charge against the chief minister. Therefore, if his style of functioning was rectified through intervention of central leadership, the genuine grievances of the dissidents would be addressed. Such a formula had been floated earlier also but it could not be implemented on the ground. But this time, the situation was different. With state elections being only two years away and dissident activity gaining further momentum, the central party leadership could make a decisive intervention. Mr Advani has already indicated that he was not willing to give any fillip to party dissidents' activities. In last week's parliamentary party meeting he asked the dissidents not to air their grievances through the media. After the party chief dropped clear hints that change of leadership was not under consideration, dissident leaders toned down the level of their opposition but remained firm that the central leadership would have to address the issue. Senior party leaders from the state maintain that this time the "problem" was serious and the number of dissidents had increased to over 60. The problem according to them was Mr Modi's autocratic style of functioning, where he did not take the state party unit or other senior leaders into confidence. Mr Modi has so far not expanded his cabinet and has not appointed any of his MLAs as chairpersons of various boards and state sector undertakings, which the ruling party legislators believe was a legitimate perk to them. The dissidents thus charge that Mr Modi had allowed the bureaucracy to rule over the elected representatives. The morale of the cadre, according to the dissidents, felt frustrated because they could not recommend for even "minor legitimate work" of people in their constituency.
Posted by: Nikhil Mar 16 2005, 07:52 PM
laugh.gif This is what happens when CM trys to work honestly to develop his state. Well i guess modi have to come to some middle-road here to keep the development and party both happy!!
Posted by: narayanan Mar 16 2005, 08:13 PM
Yes, true. smile.gif
Posted by: vijayk Mar 17 2005, 06:05 AM
This is why we need presidential form. First of all, MLAs can't aspire to become minsiters. They can't create problems for CM as he is directly elected. He does not need to appoint any body the party dictates. No chairmanship and no minsterships as bribes for MLAs. If we add anti-nepotism and term limits, we will have a cleaner political system.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 17 2005, 11:27 AM
In any case given the current equations Modi has to realise that such infighting is going to affect party's performance. Patel is a spent force to some extent but he is a patel and Modi cannot ignore patels in gujarat. They form a huge lobby and have lots of influence in lots of industries. Power has to be shared and not monopolised. Development is great but such idealistic goals dont help you in elections as we all know. He should make ammends.
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Saffron flutters a bit Kalyani Shankar Despite its good performance in the recent Assembly elections, the BJP faces major challenges. Mr Narendra Modi and Gujarat top the list. Two years ago when Gujarat went to polls, Mr Modi, who was under attack from all sections including his own party, was the Chief Minister. He led the party to a two-thirds majority. Analysts attributed his success to the Hindu-Muslim polarisation after the Godhra carnage, which Mr Modi is said to have turned to his advantage. He was the most successful campaigner in Gujarat and his meetings were preferred to that of star campaigner and then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. Mr Modi was a crowd puller as his strategy was to engage in Musharraf bashing. It is not known how many villagers knew about the Pakistani President, but Mr Modi made him the villain. He used to thunder, "If you want Musharraf to lose sleep, vote for me and my party," thereby linking international politics with domestic votes. The connectivity between Mr Modi and the people was tremendous and he became a hero for common Gujaratis, particularly Hindus, virtually overnight. Two years later there has been a change of guard in Delhi and the Congress-led UPA has formed the Government. The NDA is out in the wilderness, struggling to keep itself alive. There is a change of leadership in the BJP with Mr LK Advani replacing the energetic Venkaiah Naidu. The older generation of BJP leadership is on the verge of retiring, while the second rung is competing with one another to control the party. In this scenario, Mr Modi is still the Chief Minister of Gujarat. He continues with the "development" mantra, forgetting his "Mian Musharraf" theme. He goes abroad seeking investment. In the last two years, he has managed to keep the State free of communal tensions. But, he has not done anything to keep his flock together. There is discontent and disenchantment within the party, and the BJP legislators are more critical of him than even of the Opposition. Why are BJP legislators on the warpath? Mr Modi seems to have committed the mistake of not sharing power with the rest. There was simmering discontent; the legislators were being patient in the hope that they would be accommodated in ministerial and official positions. For the past two years, since Mr Modi took charge, there has been no talk of Cabinet expansion or filling up positions in corporations and other bodies. Now legislators are demanding a change of leadership in the State. However, Mr Modi has only himself to blame for the present state of affairs in Gujarat. He has always been known to be arrogant and the magnitude of his victory in the Assembly polls, his critics say, has inflated his ego. He began thinking of himself as an icon of the party and its Hindutva ideology. Added to this is his style of functioning; he is said to be inaccessible even to legislators. Anti-Modi BJP workers and leaders have not forgotten the way he put his foot down and disallowed a ticket to his bete noire Hiren Pandya (who was later murdered) despite the top party leadership persuading him to be magnanimous. The other aspect is his behaviour with senior Gujarat BJP leaders. It is well-known that Mr Modi was against Mr Keshubhai Patel when the latter was the Chief Minister. Mr Modi replaced Mr Patel and the latter has never forgiven him for this. Soon Mr Patel became the rallying point for the other disgruntled elements in the party. Former Union Minister Kashi Ram Rana is one of them. Even former Union Minister Harin Pathak, who was in charge of Mr Modi's election in Ahmedabad, has crossed over to the other camp. All these developments have added to Mr Modi's woes. Mr Modi's problems have come to visit the central leadership. A good number of Gujarat's MLAs want to meet party president Advani and demand a change of leadership in the State. However, Mr Advani has cleverly put it on Mr Patel to keep the legislators in check. Despite all this, the BJP has much to cheer as it has emerged as the single largest pre-poll alliance in Jharkhand and Bihar despite gloomy pre-poll predictions. The party has reasons to be happy after winning the confidence vote in Jharkhand. It has also been successful in putting the Congress-led UPA on the defensive on both the Goa and Jharkhand issues. When things are looking rosy for the BJP, the "Modi Hatao" demand is indeed an embarrassment for the party leadership. The only option before the central leadership is to ask him to share power. Also, Messrs Patel and Rana will have to be mollified not only by Mr Modi himself but also by the central leadership. Moreover, the BJP must choose a competent person as the new State unit chief to work with Mr Modi. Humility is what Mr Modi has to learn. Otherwise, he will go the same way as many others before him. He is one of the second generation leaders who is in line to lead the BJP. But the question is, will secular NDA allies like the JD(U) or Telugu Desam or Trinamool Congress accept Mr Modi's leadership? For his culpability in the Gujarat riots is going to haunt him for the rest of his life. It is here that other second generation leaders like Arun Jaitley, Sushma Swaraj, Pramod Mahajan, Venkaiah Naidu or Rajnath Singh may have an edge over Mr Modi. Gujarat is not the only headache for the BJP. In Madhya Pradesh too things are far from smooth for the party. Ms Uma Bharati, the firebrand leader who gave up her chief ministership in connection with the Tiranga case last year, is looming large in Bhopal these days. She is still an MLA and has started attending the Assembly; she is also attracting huge crowds and supporters besides the disgruntled elements within the party. Now that she has been absolved of the charges against her, it is only natural that she should want to have her say in the Government. Her argument is that people voted the BJP to power because of her, and that her promises have to be kept. Chief Minister Babulal Gaur is upset because Ms Bharati wants to have her way and has gone to the extent of even encouraging dissidence against him. Party leadership is in an embarrassing position as it does not know how to handle her. Top leaders agree that she should be kept busy. But with what? Mr Advani has had a taste of Ms Bharati's fury and he cannot ignore her for she is not only a leader in her own right but also a woman from the backward class. If she is not given any programme, she may prove problematic for the top BJP leadership. Goa is yet another State where the BJP needs to straighten things out. Both the Congress and the BJP are vertically divided and it is going to be tough for either party to form the Government in Goa. Elections seem to be the only answer and the party must prepare for it. The success of the BJP depends on the resolution of these issues.
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Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 17 2005, 11:55 PM
By denying visa to Modi US has dealt a serious blow to the US-India relationship. If the current bunch has any sense then should be conveyed in no uncertain terms to the USG. This will not be forgotten. http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=43432
Posted by: chandramoulee Mar 17 2005, 11:59 PM
Narendra Modi's existing Business/Tourist Visa has been revoked--Diplomatic visa denied. Waiting for his reactions, expected areound 2 PM Indian Time. So the pinkos in the US will be chortling with delight!!
Posted by: Sunder Mar 18 2005, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (rajesh_g @ Mar 18 2005, 12:25 PM)
By denying visa to Modi US has dealt a serious blow to the US-India relationship. If the current bunch has any sense then should be conveyed in no uncertain terms to the USG. This will not be forgotten. http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=43432
This is a Crying Shame. A democratically elected Chief minister of a prosperous state is denied visa on mere noise-making of the ground-smelling a$$-lifting barbarians & the commies in sheep skin. But to add insult to injury, this will not be seen as an insult to democracy in India. On the contrary it will be seen as victory for 'Secularism'.. mad.gif mad.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 01:02 AM
Everybody who deals with USINPAC and India caucus in anyway should ask them uncomfortable questions starting with -> if all u can get is more planes for pakis and not even prevent denial of visa to an Indian CM give me a good effing reason i should give you a penny ? furious.gif
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 18 2005, 01:22 AM
Would US have revoked Modi's visa without the tacit approval of the BJP leadership?
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 01:46 AM
LKA wont play games in Guj. That is where he fights his elections from. But if he is foolish enough to do that, well then he deserves what he gets.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 01:52 AM
Yes keep saying this you idiots and be prepared to be completely wiped out.. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif http://us.rediff.com/cricket/2005/mar/18mush.htm Hosting Musharraf will be an honour: Jaitley
Posted by: rama harish Mar 18 2005, 02:13 AM
Modi is denied visa : unbelievable , i suspect rice+italian sonia = made it all possible I'm shocked dear fellas: head bangs in burst of anger What's happening ??? BJP, seems will be heading towards facing the wrath of massive christian church countires + south asian groups : vomits
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US Embassy revokes visa for Modi Modi has been denied diplomatic visa under the US Immigration and Nationality Act. The US law deems any foreign government official "responsible for or has directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom" ineligible for a visa. The US Embassy has revoked a visa for Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of Gujarat, citing his role in the 2002 Godhra riots in the western state that killed hundreds of Muslims, report newswires. Modi's request for a diplomatic visa to travel to the United States was denied and his existing tourist/business visa was revoked, said an unnamed embassy spokesman. The spokesman said the decision was taken under a US law that makes any foreign government official "responsible for or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom" ineligible for a visa. Religious riots in 2002, now known as the Godhra carnage, which killed some 1,000 people and injured and traumatised thousands more- mostly Muslims - were sparked by an attack on a train car in which 60 people returning from a religious pilgrimage were burned to death. Muslim mobs were blamed for the fire. Human rights groups accused Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party-led state government of doing little to stop the violence, and the Supreme Court criticised the Modi government's lenient handling of Hindus accused of slaughtering Muslims. The embassy official also said that Modi "was denied a diplomatic visa under the US Immigration and Nationality Act because he was not coming for the purpose that qualified for a diplomatic visa." He did not elaborate, newswires report. Modi was to address a meeting organised by an association of motel owners in New York this weekend. He also planned to meet overseas Indians in Florida and in New Jersey.
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Posted by: Naresh Mar 18 2005, 04:26 AM
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By denying visa to Modi US has dealt a serious blow to the US-India relationship. If the current bunch has any sense then should be conveyed in no uncertain terms to the USG. This will not be forgotten. http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=43432
rajesh_g MODI REACTS : IF MUSH CAN GO, WHY CAN'T I? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1055653.cms Gujarat Chief Minister Modi does not realize that in terms of the USA’s Administration “Mush is Our Son-of-a-Bitch” Being the Son of Normal Parents Modi cannot reach the “Heights” Attained by Mush as MUSH GOES TO BUSH FOR A PUSH IN THE TUSH After all a day will come when Mush will have to retire to his Ranch in Tex’s Ar*e. Modi will still remain in India. The UPA must be jumping in Joy since they have seen the Wishes of their Masters in Rome and Beijing having been fulfilled
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 06:22 AM
QUOTE (vijnan_anand @ Mar 18 2005, 04:22 AM)
Would US have revoked Modi's visa without the tacit approval of the BJP leadership?
Did LKA meet Sec of State on her recent visit? Believe it's the normal protocol to meet leader of opposition. Was Modi getting too big for his shoes that he had to be clipped? Or is Modi being perceived to be too weak that he'll take this lying down? Isn't there some internal opposition within party to oust Modi? Seems like dissident group just got a shot in arm.
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 06:24 AM
Cheer up Naresh, Jagdish Tytler (of the '84 sikh carnage fame) is the Minister for NRI affairs and he's bound to visit 'NRIs' one of these days, no?
Posted by: narayanan Mar 18 2005, 06:56 AM
Guys, lay off the conspiracy theories. Modi did not become any better or worse because of this, but chances are that he is going to become vastly more popular. Chances are that Rice did NOT discuss something as minor as whether Modi should get a visa, and chances are that Rice is feeling now that half the goodwill generated by her visit has been wiped out by this. Probably the course of this is to deny the visa based on the letter from the Hon. Congressmen. The number 21 matches those who regularly sign letters to the POTUS asking for India to be dismembered, in exchange for the patronage of Gurmeet Singh Aulakh's Khalistan movement. Probable next step is to grant the visa based on request from GOI. My question is: if GOI don't have that kind of guarantee, why is GOI sticking its nose deep into the poo-poo by publicizing that they have requested GOTUS to review the decision? Who looks stupid now if GOTUS does not oblige? This is far worse than the Jharkand boo-boo if that happens. Look at the headlines and reaction on REDIFF. Flag removed from Tendulkar's and Dravid's helmets, Canadians manage to convict grand total of ZERO persons for the bombing of Air India Flight 182 after so many years of waffling.... (during the BJP regime is when they got the one conviction - against the guy who put the bomb in the baggage that exploded in Japan, killing two Japanese. ) So now we know how much the lives of Indians count. So - when Indians are killed in a terrorist bombing, that's of no consequence. "Presumed Innocent". Oooo! So wonderful! But Modi is "Presumed Guilty". GOI allows US to decide who is good or bad in India... man! this is getting to be worse than Pakistan! People in India love to kick their own leaders, but hey, I don't think they like foreigners telling them how to run democracy, and I don't think they appreciate having their leaders insulted. The commie-pakis have just managed to p*** off the wealthiest and hardest-working of American-Indians - who also happened to be about the most non-political and quietest, mind-their-own-business of Indian-Americans. The hotel-owners were telling the absolute truth when they said that Modi's visit was strictly business - how to make even more $$ and Rs. with Gujarat-US collaboration. Forget the dotcom billionaires - their $$ are virtual. I am talking about the hotel-owners, whose $$ are in real estate and cash, and who actually KNOW how to get things done when they want to get them done. When the Dork-Commentary about "Gujarat" made by the commie "Josson" (they wouldn't say who was funding it) was being shown around here, I know some people urged the Gujarati community (esp. one segment of it) to react - because they as a community were being slandered, and their safety was being endangered. True to their stay-out-if-trouble policy, they did not bother. I wonder what they think of this event - which slams the pie right in their own faces, right in their own organization - and of those who created the pressure to do this to them. Maybe some wake-up calls may occur there???
Posted by: vijayk Mar 18 2005, 07:20 AM
This is unbelievable. There are a lot of liberal people and press in the US. But they never self deprecate their own existence by calling for the ban of VISA to christian missionaries or controversial chruch leaders not even Ku Klux Klan leaders when they visit foreign countries let alone talk about this. We have this low-life SCUMS such as COMMIES, English press and CONmen led by ITALIAN b1tch who have no slef-respect, no patriotism and no shame. Modi may be inept, incomptent or even might have conspired to let the violence continue. But these anti-nationals sitting at home and abroad have such an inferiority complex that they went begging for cancelling his Visa. The US is being ruled by very hateful right-wing legislature and executive. They have been trying to pass so much legislations to support the spread of christianity all around the globe using the vast missionaries who indulge in all kinds of inducements and even threats. These gutless so called secular forces have been trying their best to score points over BJP by selling the prestige and dignity of INDIA. It is not a coincidence that this happened just after Condi Rice's visit to India and her meeting with CON woman SONIA and "Nut"Case Singh. It is a way of the US helping out SONIA and CONmen by putting BJP in a spot in view of recent Jarkhand and Goa disasters. The best thing for BJP and NDA is to retaliate by banning the entry of every western missionary leader who comes to their states for proaganda.
Posted by: Naresh Mar 18 2005, 07:22 AM
Viren, Thanks. I was under the Impression that the “Maha-Kangressiya Kriminal” (The One who Hired all the Kasaees) was Mrs. I’s lapdog H. R. Bhagat. Do I stand Corrected?
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 07:43 AM
Jagadish Tytler, Sajjan Kumar and H K L Bhagat were THE goons who committed/abetted the atrocities. HKL has croaked I believe and so as another Cong maharati whose name I forget. Tytler and Sajjan were given tickets by Congress in the very same Delhi after a verbal apology to Sikhs (something like sending Gen Tikka Khan as goodwill ambassador to Bangaldesh) and they won!
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 08:55 AM
Sonia + Rice +Muslim hand is behind this denial, no doubt. It means India's NRI minister Tytler can't visit US. Excellent. All indian President and Prime Minister should be denied Visa, they are equally responsible. Love it. Well, now Modi will become real Hero in eyes of Hindus.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 08:59 AM
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Jagadish Tytler, Sajjan Kumar and H K L Bhagat were THE goons who committed/abetted the atrocities. HKL has croaked I believe and so as another Cong maharati whose name I forget. Tytler and Sajjan were given tickets by Congress in the very same Delhi after a verbal apology to Sikhs (something like sending Gen Tikka Khan as goodwill ambassador to Bangaldesh) and they won!
This trio and Makan were directly involved in riots. They went direcly to slums and motivated congress workers for rioting. Modi was not directly involved. He was in same position as Rajeev Gandhi and Rao during 1984 riots.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 09:07 AM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1285496,000900040003.htm
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"It is definitely a discourtesy. Normally, a leader of the country, even of a State Government should not be denied a visa," CPI MP Gurudas Dasgupta said reacting to the denial of visa to Modi.
Now they know Modi will become more popular. biggrin.gif
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 09:09 AM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1284872,00080004.htm
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Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Friday hit out at the US for revoking his visa, saying it amounted to an "insult" to India and reflected Washington's effort to show this country in "poor light." He asked the Central Government to "rise above political considerations" and intervene in the matter. He would write to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in this regard, he said. Maintaining that "no court had given any decision" against his Government or himself on the Gujarat riots issue, Modi said "the one-sided US decision amounts to insult to India's constitution and self respect." He further said that he had got "political clearance" from the Prime Minister and the Central Government before applying for the visa two months ago. Modi questioned the decision to revoke his tourist and business visa existing since 1998 just two days before his travel to the US.
Posted by: Ashok Kumar Mar 18 2005, 09:15 AM
USA rolls out the red carpet for the dictators like Mushy. But a democratic leader was denied a visa. China knows how to handle such shenanigans. I am not sure whether India does.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 09:17 AM
India's reaction.
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Shortly after the US decision was made public, External Affairs Minister K Natwar Singh said the Government would take up the matter with the US Mission. Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran summoned the US Deputy Chief of Mission Robert Blake to South Block and lodged a strong protest over the decision and sought its urgent reconsideration.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 09:19 AM
In same light can India deny visa to Bush, his involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Modi said that if the President of Pakistan and the Prime Minister of Bangladesh can go to US - given that minorities have been completely wiped off from both nations - so can he. "Can the Indian government stop an American government official from visiting on the basis of what has happened in Iraq?" he asked
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 09:30 AM
IE says http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=43451&headline=US~ban~on~Modi,~he~gets~a~shot~in~the~arm
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The US has a history of denying visas to those it considers have violated or otherwise acted in a manner predisposed to harm the interests of any particular religious group. It had denied the same to Austria’s Freedom Party leader Joerg Haider who had built up his reputation by espousing hatred against foreigners in the late 1990s. In fact, US had gone further by reducing diplomatic ties with that nation when in response to Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel forming a government coalition with his party
Anyone know more about these cases?
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 09:44 AM
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Austria’s Freedom Party leader Joerg Haider
As I recall. He didn't ask for visa, so no question of denial here. In late 90s he got elected and was proposed as a PM of Austria in a coalition government. Rest of leftist Europe and US screamed and he bogged down. He is from neo-nazi party (Austrian version).
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 09:45 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1055900.cms Didn't Modi call in the army within 24 hours? In '84 Rajiv (PM) and Rao(HM) had called in army after 4 days - that too in the capital Delhi. And I remember Rajiv and Rao going to US pretty often? Dupli city?
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 09:48 AM
Lets hope India realises that it is not a 2 bit country like Austria. This is a bloody insult to a 5000 year old civilisation by a kal kaa chokraa preaching us about how to conduct our own business. I was sick reading how Modhvadia (guj cong leader) was talking about how this was all ok. The slavish indians just wont see this for what it is - this is an insult to India. No matter what - if the US doesnt reverse its decision now they have commies and BJP both baying for US blood. Whoever made this foolish decision in the State Dept has made the biggest boo-boo of his life.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 09:54 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002185310_indiapoll20.html?syndication=rss Does the US really think that such goodwill will continue if it keeps acting like this ?
Posted by: AlbertPinto Mar 18 2005, 09:55 AM
Us does not deny visas to foll: 1. Paki's Mushy and Paki generals who are currently protecting Bin Laden 2. Palestnian Leaders who have indulged in terrorism 3. All Indian Congressmen who have been involved in the anti-sikh rioting and as well are main cause of 99% of riots in india. 4. Indian Leftists and NGOs who are stridently Anti US.
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 18 2005, 09:55 AM
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Lets hope India realises that it is not a 2 bit country like Austria. This is a bloody insult to a 5000 year old civilisation by a kal kaa chokraa preaching us about how to conduct our own business. I was sick reading how Modhvadia (guj cong leader) was talking about how this was all ok. The slavish indians just wont see this for what it is - this is an insult to India. No matter what - if the US doesnt reverse its decision now they have commies and BJP both baying for US blood. Whoever made this foolish decision in the State Dept has made the biggest boo-boo of his life.
I saw Mr. Vaghela on the TV in the wee hours of the morning. In the world according to Vaghela, Modi is a criminal and the USA did the right thing. History is repeating itself, but not as a farce. We have learnt nothing from the Jaichand experience.
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 18 2005, 09:57 AM
Also, has the USA written away the BJP. Is there something they know that makes them confident that BJP will not return to power in India again? Or, are they confident that BJP will swallow this insult and move on.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 09:57 AM
Question is why they did it ? Is it - 1) US state department is filled with fools. 2) US trying to impress Mudlims all over world by telling them it is OK to kill Hindus but someone delayed to control riots will be punished. 3) Create problems in India by dividing country strongly in religious line. Prolonged instability in India. 4) Just to make Italian rioman catholic PM soon. Benny Himm permanent address will be Rashpati Bhavan. 5) Dream to make India as Christian nation by suprassing Hindus/majority population. 6) SOnia asked them to do it. 7) They are just arrogrant moron.
Posted by: shyam Mar 18 2005, 09:57 AM
Typically quid pro quo is done for diplomatic actions which are not favorable to a country. In thise case, if Indian goverment has any decency towards its elected leaders, they should do a quid pro quo.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 10:01 AM
Thats exactly what needs to be explained to the common folk. This is not bloody party politics. In fact I am not even sure this thread needs to belong in "Politics" thread. THIS IS AN INSULT TO INDIA, THE NATION AND INDIA THE CIVILIZATION. We did not fight for independence and survive for the whole of 1000 years to be insulted by goras all over again. This will not be forgotten.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 10:01 AM
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Typically quid pro quo is done for diplomatic actions which are not favorable to a country. In thise case, if Indian goverment has any decency towards its elected leaders, they should do a quid pro quo
Rubber stamp, spineless PM of india will rub his nose in front of US embassy to get his own visa. Don't expect anything from current government.
Posted by: AlbertPinto Mar 18 2005, 10:01 AM
http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story3%2Etxt&counter_img=3
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On Wednesday noon when American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met Leader of Opposition LK Advani at his residence to exchange pleasantries, there was little indication of the gathering storm between the most powerful democracy and the largest democracy. As the two leaders sat down to a one-to-one meeting, Mr Advani raised the issue of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's diplomatic visa application, which had been pending with the US authorities for some time. Based on the brief that he had got from the Gujarat Government and reports that the Islamic Society of North America and US Congressman from Pennsylvania Joe Pitts and 21 other Congressmen had written to the American Secretary of State urging her to deny visa to Mr Modi, the BJP chief had apprehensions that it could influence the US authorities. Mr Advani told Ms Rice that he was getting reports that a section in the US was opposed to Mr Modi's visit and urged her that the policy making of American authority should not be guided by such protests. Mr Modi had visited twice to America after February 2002 riots in Gujarat. He already had a tourist-business visa but this time he had applied for a diplomatic visa which was duly endorsed by the home and external affairs ministry. Ms Rice did not give any firm assurance to the Leader of Opposition on the subject. Her response to an extent was "evasive". She said such matters were dealt with by the officials concerned and there was a laid out procedure to that. It was possible that Ms Rice informed the senior leaders in the ruling camp whom she subsequently met, about the discussion she had on the issue with Mr Advani. Before Friday, BJP leaders hoped that the US would not create hurldle in Modi's visit and they even received some unconfirmed reports on Wednesday afternoon that the visa request was being processed. But later they found that this was not true and on Friday morning Mr Modi received a letter from Minister Counsular Affairs and Consul General in the US Embassy, William M Barlett that his passport and cancelled visa was being returned to him. The BJP leadership is now trying to find names of the 21 Congressmen signed a letter with Congressman Joe Pitts and whether they were related with "Pakistan caucus". In case that was the case then "India caucus" along with Overseas Friends of the BJP could be activated to pursue the matter further in Washington. Going by the series of meetings that top BJP leaders held and a strong reaction from the union Government, it is clear that the matter does not rest here
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 10:05 AM
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-18-2005/0003210182&EDATE= CAIR Applauds Denial of Visa to Narendra Modi
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 10:05 AM
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It was possible that Ms Rice informed the senior leaders in the ruling camp whom she subsequently met, about the discussion she had on the issue with Mr Advani.
SO Sonia and her buddy Ahmed Patel are involved.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 10:06 AM
Guys I have moved this thread from politics to strategic security forum..
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 10:14 AM
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http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-18-2005/0003210182&EDATE= CAIR Applauds Denial of Visa to Narendra Modi
Oh.. so the celebrations are announced via Reuters eh? What happened to CAIR/IMC hacker who used D oD website last time? "Vacationing" in Gitmo?
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 10:17 AM
http://www.aahoa.com/ site's "under maintainence" - did the CAIR/IMC get to it ohmy.gif
Posted by: AlbertPinto Mar 18 2005, 10:21 AM
Readers are expressing their feelings in IE I have never seen so many responses. http://www.expressindia.com/messages.php?newsid=43432&from=0
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In the name of religion I am a priest working as a missionary in the Gujarath state. I worked in many parts of India as a christian priest. Believe it or not the most tolerant treatement I got from Gujarath and its govt under Mr Modi. I suffered a lot in TN under the Jayalalitha. I had a worst time while working in Bengal. Even I had trouble in Bihar. But to best of my memory not a single trouble towards my work in Gujarth during the last twelve years of work. I don't know how many people are pointing fingers at a man even without they don't know what he is. Jesus save India. Jesus bless Modi. Posted by: Benedic John , United States, 18-03-2005 at 2109 hours IST
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 10:36 AM
This is just a suggestion for folks planning on writing - there is no need to hide your disgust and emotions on this. We are not diplomats and we dont have to talk the diplomatic language. Tell it the way it is. (1) US has denied visa to an Indian CM. (2) US has started messing with Indian internal affairs. (3) This is an affront to the Indian sensibilities. (4) India was ONE country where GWB was popular. This will have serious implications on that. (5) India is the star of tomorrow and if this is how it is treated as opposed to its treatment of sundry generals, mullahs and chinese communists then it has lost a very important future ally. (6) By a stupid move to appease a few rabble-rousers like CAIR a serious schism has been inflicted on India-US-Israel axis. (7) Even going by Indian local politics the only party who was a staunch ally of the US has been insulted. Communists are no friends of the US to begin with and now they have lost the goodwill of the BJP. This is a diplomatic snafu of the highest order.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 10:43 AM
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Indian Americans will rally in America to reverse American Visa decision and bring Modi to USA Sudhir Chadda Mar. 18, 2005 In a stinging snub to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the United States on Friday denied him a diplomatic visa and revoked his tourist/business visa under a law that bars such a privilege to anyone who carries out severe violations of religious freedom. Modi was scheduled to address the Asian-American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) in Fort Lauderade, Florida, a public meeting in New York and meet business leaders. But the issue does not stop here. The influential Indian American lobby will try their best to reverse the decision to bring Modi to USA. While pressure to deny visa may have come from Musharraf regime and silent support from Sonia Gandhi regime, Indian Americans in US will try to convince the US State Department, Dr. Rice and even President Bush to reverse the decision immediately. According to media release, BJP was upset at the decision. The Bharatiya Janata Party on Friday slammed the United States for not allowing its chief minister in Gujarat Narendra Modi to enter the country. The BJP said the action was ''''unwarranted'''' and had caused ''''insult'''' to the entire nation. Modi has been denied diplomatic visa and his tourist/business visa already granted has also been revoked as per the US Immigration and Nationality Act. The Act prohibits ''''any government official who was responsible for, or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom'''' from traveling to that country. "We do not need lessons in religious freedom from anyone in the world, including the US," Bharatiya Janata Party Vice-President and party spokesman Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said. He said the denial of visa to the elected head of a state government was an ''''insult to the entire nation''''. The whole world knows about India's democracy and its pluralistic culture, he told rediff.com. Another BJP leader said if religious intolerance was the criteria, the US should ban the entry of Chinese leaders. Now, the issue is likely to snowball into a political controversy, with Naqvi saying the government should disclose if it knew such a step was going to be taken. "The BJP condemns it. The government should lodge an official complaint with the Americans," he said. Senior BJP leader and former external affairs minister Yashwant Sinha said the Government of India should protest against the US decision. But apparently Sonia Gandhi and her Government were happy at the decision. Gujarat Congress on Friday said that Chief Minister Narendra Modi's "hand in Gujarat riots" and his "tainted" image following the post-Godhra violence resulted in the denial of visa by the United States to him. "Modi is the Chief Minister of Gujarat and he represents the entire cross-section of the state. People the worldover know that he has been involved in human rights violation by orchestrating the Gujarat riots of 2002," Leader of Opposition and Congress leader in state assembly, Arjun Modhvadia told the agency in Ahmedabad. "The denial of visa is the direct fallout of his tainted image," Modhvadia said. "Riot cases registered against his government have also been responsible for the denial of the visa," he added.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 10:49 AM
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/18pitts.htm Pitts is a member of Kashmir Forum
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The Honorable Dr Condoleezza Rice Secretary of State US Department of State 2201 C Street, NW Washington, DC 20520 Dear Secretary Rice: We are writing to raise our deep concern about the upcoming visit of Mr Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of the state of Gujarat, India. As you may know, Mr Modi has been invited to be the chief guest at the annual conference of the Asian American Hotel Owners Association to be held in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida from March 24-26, 2005. We respectfully request that the US government deny Mr Modi entry to the United States due to numerous reports of his involvement in horrific human rights violations in India. As you may know, Mr Modi was the Chief Minister of Gujarat during the 2002 riots in which over 2,000 Indian Muslims and non-Hindus lost their lives. Since that time, reports suggest that over 100,000 people remain displaced and are unable to return to their homes or communities. Numerous inquiries by Indian officials and non-government organisations have determined that the state government in Gujarat, led by Chief Minister Modi, provided leadership and material support for the rape and murder of over 2,000 people, including women and young children, and the destruction of homes, businesses and resources primarily belonging to Indian Muslims. Mr Modi made public statements and directed official actions seemingly calculated at justifying his orders to increase attacks on and kill religious minorities while ordering the police not to interfere. After an extensive investigation of the violence in Gujarat, Human Rights Watch stated that the "attacks against Muslims (and other religious minorities) in Gujarat have been actively supported by state (BJP) government officials and by the police." In addition, The Citizens Tribunal in India, led by retired Supreme Court Justice V R Krishna Iyer, concluded that the state government of Gujarat under the leadership of Chief Minister Narendra Modi was responsible for the violence perpetrated against religious minorities in Gujarat in 2002. Furthermore, the US Department of State reported that in "Gujarat, there continued to be credible evidence of prejudice in favor of Hindus and an unwritten policy of impunity against the perpetrators of the 2002 religious violence." Chief Minister Narendra Modi and his government have obstructed attempts to bring the perpetrators of the 2002 violence to justice. Mr Modi and his administration closed the files on over 2,000 police cases where the non-Hindu victims filed reports of rapes, killings and destruction of their property. The Gujarat state administration claimed there was no evidence to prosecute those cases. However, most of the people named in cases against the police are associated with Mr Modi's political party. In a recent unprecedented order, the Supreme Court of India ordered the reopening of all those cases to be tried in a neighbouring state by a special bench of judges. The Supreme Court of India called Mr Modi a "modern day Nero" and warned him not to meddle with the proceeding of the trials. Furthermore, the US State Department has discussed in one of its reports the role of Chief Minister Narendra Modi and his government in promoting attitudes of racial supremacy, racial hatred and the legacy of Nazism through his government's support of school textbooks in which Nazism is condoned. For example, in a high school social studies textbook, the "charismatic personality" of "Hitler the Supremo" and the "achievements" of Nazism are described at length. The textbook does not even acknowledge Nazi extermination policies or concentration camps except for a passing reference to "a policy of opposition towards the Jewish people and [advocacy for] the supremacy of the German race." In addition to his reported culpability in the Gujarat riots and his promotion of racist ideology, there are widespread reports of Mr Modi's leadership of the harassment of Christian religious and educational organizations over a number of years. Further, on a daily basis Chief Minister Modi and his government actively harass Christian leaders and Christian religious organizations who are involved in the relief and rehabilitation work of the victims of violence by extremist Hindus. Even further, Mr Modi ordered a census, ruled illegal by the Gujarat High Court, of the Christian community -- the same action he took prior to the orchestrated attacks on Muslims in 2002. Even Indian Hindus who oppose Modi's violent tactics against the religious minorities are harassed and intimidated by state authorities. And, under his leadership, the state of Gujarat passed an anti-conversion law in strong violation of the Indian Constitution and international human rights norms to which India is a party. We are deeply concerned that a visit to the United States by Chief Minister Modi is in violation of the International Religious Freedom Act and will provide tacit approval of his reprehensible statements, policies and actions that violate the core of the fundamental human rights upon which our nation is founded. We respectfully request your leadership in publicly condemning his actions and policies by denying Chief Minister Narendra Modi the right to enter our country. Thank you for your attention to this serious matter. We look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Congressman Joe Pitts
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 11:11 AM
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Swabhiman rally on March 20 Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi For once the opposition BJP and the Congress-led ruling UPA stood together on an issue concerning Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. The US Government's decision to deny him a diplomatic visa gave an opportunity to the Hindutava mascot to invoke Gujarati or Indian pride and he has decided to hold a Swabhiman rally in Ahmedabad on Sunday. Though the rally is being held at short notice, the rally date of March 20 is important. It is the date on which Mr Modi was to leave for the USA. The BJP president who is going to Nagpur on Sunday will fly from there to Ahmedabad to attend the rally.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 11:15 AM
More than half of Gujarat riots died in plane crash in 1985 and Canadian Govt let criminals free and no reaction from US government and of course Indian government is useless. When weak government rule nation and some section of society are more than Jaichands, end result is country rot.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 11:33 AM
This is a fair question. If this decision is not revoked BJP needs to rethink its US policy. Jaswant Singh and Yashwant Sinha better have the answer to this question. http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=43491
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'Why this has happened to US-friendly BJP?' Press Trust Of India Posted online: Friday, March 18, 2005 at 1708 hours IST Updated: Friday, March 18, 2005 at 1715 hours IST New Delhi, March 18: In a snide remark on denial of a US visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the CPI-M on Friday said the BJP leaders were more equipped to say why this had happened as their relations with Washington were very good. "BJP leaders have very good relations with the US. So, people like Jaswant Singh and Yashwant Sinha should have a better knowledge as to why this has happened. They are better equipped to answer this question," CPI-M leader Nilotpal Basu told reporters here. Replying to questions on the episode, he said the denial of visa to Modi has "nothing to do with India's foreign policy. I don’t know the circumstances in which the visa has been denied".
Posted by: Dev Mar 18 2005, 11:43 AM
The decision could have taken after rice came. As you may expect the it was made public *after* rice left India.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 11:50 AM
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The decision could have taken after rice came. As you may expect the it was made public *after* rice left India
After meeting Ahmed Patel and Sonia.
Posted by: Dev Mar 18 2005, 11:58 AM
It is quite possible Congress is playing good-cop bad-cop routine here with MEA lodging protest etc. and Sonia & Co. on the other hand asking for revoke of visa. But US will make a martyr out of Narendra Modi.
Posted by: Sudhir Mar 18 2005, 12:06 PM
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made public *after* rice left India
MuNNA bomb was dropped **after** Powell (SoS then) left India.
Posted by: Dev Mar 18 2005, 12:08 PM
US has essentially prosecuted him and is trying to create schisms on religious grounds. US is clearly trying to butt in to our internal politics. They clearly this was highly divisive issue. It will give a lot of fodder and encouragement to assorted anti-India, anti-Hindu leftists, communists, arnarchists, Islamists etc. US has appeased Muslims at India's expense. And they know it that the backlash is manageable. US will not dare do this to Chinese.
Posted by: AlbertPinto Mar 18 2005, 12:12 PM
Do Sonia and Congress have the power to make US revoke or deny visas to other Indian citizens or do we think that some of the christians groups are behind this.. Maybe Mushy told US he will hand over Bin Laden if US denies visa to Modi.
Posted by: Dev Mar 18 2005, 12:14 PM
Hope BJP becomes wise vis-a-vis US next time when it comes to power.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 12:19 PM
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Maybe Mushy told US he will hand over Bin Laden if US denies visa to Modi.
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Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 12:22 PM
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/18modi6.htm
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'Visa denial a courageous stand' Suman Guha Mozumder in New York | March 18, 2005 21:44 IST The denial of visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi is "a principled and courageous action" by US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and the State Department, a noted Indian American academic said in New York on Friday. Arjun Appadurai, provost and senior vice-president of New School University, who co-signed a letter of protest sent to Dr Rice urging the US not to permit Modi to come on a private visit, said he believed the denial of visa is a recognition by the US of the controversy surrounding Modi. "It indicates to the world that the United States retains a deep commitment to human rights and a deep commitment to the rights of the minorities and to democratic inclusion across the world," Appadurai told rediff.com. Asked to comment on Modi's assertion that the denial of visa is an insult to the Indian Constitution and gives a lie to US claim of respect for democracy since no court has indicted him in connection with the Godhra massacre, Appadurai said this is "a twisting" of facts. "The fact that he has not been indicted by court of law is a critique of our judicial institutions," Appadurai said. Appadurai said Modi had been indicted by many independent judicial and citizens' bodies and that the Indian state and Indian judiciary should now confirm these findings. "I believe to say that he has not been indicted by law and therefore the denial amounts to a stifling of democratic rights is not the correct estimate of this case. In fact, this on the other hand is upholding of democratic rights," he said. Appadurai said in any case the rights of a chief minister to come to the US on a private invitation does not raise any constitutional issues at all. "As far as Modi's claim of "insult to the Indian Constitution" is concerned, it is entirely a red herring which should not even arrive," Appadurai said. "And if it arrives at all, it should arrive in the context of Modi's own activities in Gujarat in 2002 and how his government violated the rights of the minorities. That is a real constitutional issue and not this denial of visa."
Posted by: acharya Mar 18 2005, 12:25 PM
Watch CAIR and IMC and what they say
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 12:25 PM
O BL is a goose that lays golden eggs for Mush; this Mushy bargain angle is dead end one.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 12:29 PM
Time to revisit this old article from that creep d'souza. Would we rather have Vibhishanas or Indrajits ?
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My country, right or wrong? - Dsouza May 03, 2003 On July 20, 1944, a briefcase exploded under a conference table in Rastenburg, Germany. At the table, holding a war meeting, were Adolf Hitler and several officers. The explosion wounded Hitler, but did not kill him. Joseph Goebbels, his propaganda minister, moved swiftly against the men who had plotted this assassination attempt. By evening, most of them had been shot, including Claus von Stauffenberg, leader of the conspiracy and the man who actually left the briefcase bomb under the table. Hitler also believed that his finest war officer, Erwin Rommel, was part of the July 20 plot and later drove him to suicide. The conspirators were executed as traitors; shot by men defending their fatherland and leader against these traitors. In other words, men who believed they were doing their duty as German patriots. No matter that well before 1944, Hitler's crimes were apparent to anyone -- including German patriots -- who cared to look. But that didn't matter, because wasn't Hitler simultaneously chanting 'Deutschland �ber alles', or whatever is the German equivalent of 'my country, right or wrong'? Wasn't he also restoring, or claiming to restore, German pride and honour after the disgrace of the First World War? Doing those things, and Hitler and Goebbels were masters at this charade of German pride, they were hailed as staunch German patriots. After all, in 1935 -- before Hitler wreaked his worst destruction, true, but he had already shown evidence of his intent -- even Winston Churchill described him as charged with 'patriotic ardour' and 'a passionate love of Germany' (from 'Hitler and his Choice', in Great Contemporaries). Did Churchill still call it love, I wonder, when the man went on to slaughter millions of his fellow citizens and destroy Germany? But today, we can ask: Who were the patriots? Those who rallied to the defence of a murderous madman who, less than a year after the plot, had completed the job of leading his country into devastation? The madman himself? Or were the patriots the men like Stauffenberg, who tried to rid their country of the disease of Nazism and died trying? What about Rommel, who fought hard and with immense distinction in North Africa even as he grew disillusioned with Hitler? Was he a patriot? Sixty years on, another war has come and gone. As wars do, this one has left in its wake many of the same questions about patriotism that Stauffenberg raised when he slipped that briefcase under that table. During the weeks of war in Iraq, we heard a lot about Iraqis -- not just soldiers, but ordinary citizens -- fighting hard for Saddam and country. Some had even returned to Iraq from abroad, leaving behind jobs and family to 'defend the fatherland'. Many hated Saddam, but nevertheless believed that their duty as Iraqis was to battle the invaders from Britain and the US: 'my country, right or wrong', haven't we heard that before? Patriots all: in various Indian corners, what these warriors -- particularly the men who came back to fight -- felt for Iraq was hailed as patriotism distilled to its purest. There was much wistful yearning for India to be filled with such patriotism. Again. But juxtapose that patriotism with the scenes as Saddam's regime finally crumbled. Euphoric Iraqis poured into the streets to kick at his fallen statue, to celebrate in myriad other ways. You need not support George Bush in what George McGovern called a senseless and immoral campaign in Iraq -- and I was repulsed by it -- to recognise that euphoria for what it was: the joyful relief of release from the grip of another murderous tyrant. So let's ask again: who are the Iraqi patriots? The men who fought to defend a regime like Saddam's? Or the ecstatic hordes who dragged his bullet-ridden bust through Baghdad's streets? The non-resident Iraqis who rode into battle for God and Saddam and country? Or the grateful Iraqis who welcomed victorious foreign troops with hugs and kisses? Or let's ask variations on those questions: is it patriotic to support a tyrant and killer solely because your country is under attack and he rules it? Is it traitorous to long for your country to be rid of that killer by whatever means: yes, including Bush's 'senseless and immoral' invasion across your borders? Back in India, many were appalled by Bush for this reason more than most: what if he decided on a similar venture into India? But if he did, how should a patriotic Indian react? Stand and fight, of course! Naturally. But let's make the questions a little harder to answer. Leave aside the hypocrisy Bush and his cronies have flaunted. Let's build a hypothesis instead: that, like Iraq, India is ruled by a despotic regime. Suppose it has ignored -- and by ignoring, aggravated -- the suffering of millions of miserably poor Indians, many of whom go to sleep hungry and sick every single night. It has stoked hatreds among Indians, hatreds that have led to regular massacres all over the country. Too often, state machinery has participated in these great crimes. It has paid no attention to the need to punish the perpetrators of such massacres. Too often, it has rewarded them with power and protection, status and wealth. It has snuffed out any public faith in the rule of law -- not just by perverting the courts and police, but by installing criminals as the makers and keepers of the law. And, in this thought experiment, the greatest criminal of all heads the regime. Remember: just a hypothesis. But now, still in this hypothesis, how must a patriotic Indian react? Does she defend this ghastly junta to the world, because after all and always, it's 'my country, right or wrong'? Does he take up arms to fight its wars, to defend it to the death against foreign aggression, because of his love for India? (Does this love mean you must die for criminals?) Then what do we say about those who might plot against the obscenity that blights their land, as Stauffenberg did, who fight to free India of it? Are they patriots? If so, what if they welcomed a force from abroad that toppled this hypothetical regime, as many Iraqis did? Are they still patriots? In his superb history of the Second World War, John Keegan writes that Stauffenberg recognised the mortal danger of defeat into which the F�hrer had led the fatherland and anticipated the disgrace and punishment that the iniquity of Nazism would bring to his countrymen in its wake. Stauffenberg's motives, in short, were patriotic. Churchill called Hitler a patriot. Keegan calls Stauffenberg a patriot. You can make your own call. But think of this: If Stauffenberg had succeeded that July day, he would have saved Germany from the ruin Hitler left in 1945. From the crumbling wasteland of 'my country, right or wrong'. That's why he was a German patriot. That's why he died.
Posted by: aruni Mar 18 2005, 12:55 PM
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/03/19/stories/2005031902410700.htm Modi goes ballistic as US denies visa — Centre lodges strong protest over the issue Gaurav Raghuvanshi
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WHAT has the number of kidnappings, murders, rapes and thefts in different States of the US got to do with the denial of visa by the American Government to the Chief Minister of Gujarat, Mr Narendra Modi? After a press conference to lodge a strong protest over the denial of a visit to the US, copies of a document comparing the low crime rate in Gujarat vis-à-vis different States in the US were handed out. The reasons for passing around the document were not explained, but it was obviously to underline Mr Modi's contention that the visa denial on account of violence under his governance was unfair, given the much higher crime rate in the US. Mr Modi went ballistic against the US Government's decision to decline a diplomatic visa to him and cancel his earlier tourist/business visa that was valid for another three years. Terming the denial of visa an insult of the Indian Constitution and the people of India, Mr Modi said that he would soon work out an adequate response to the "humiliation" of the people of Gujarat at the hands of the US. He, however, did not spell out what the response would be. "I have recently visited other democratic countries such as the UK, Australia and Singapore. Mine is a democratically elected Government and we have not been indicted by any court of law, in India or abroad, for the violence that occurred in Gujarat in the aftermath of the Godhra train burning. What is the US trying to prove?" he said. Mr Modi wondered how the US could impose its rules and perceptions on another country. "Tomorrow if the American army chief wants to visit India, should we look at the US track record in Iraq and deny him a visa," he asked. Mr Modi was to leave for the US with a nine-member delegation comprising Government officials and businessmen on March 20. The entire trip now stands cancelled. Meanwhile, the Government has lodged a strong protest with the US on the issue. The Ministry and the Prime Minister's Office had cleared Mr Modi's trip and issued a note verbale to the US Embassy regarding the Gujarat Chief Minister's itinerary. The Leader of Opposition in the Gujarat Assembly, Mr Arjun Modhwadia, termed the US decision as unfair, but stressed that he had earlier advised Mr Modi not to travel himself. "I had told Mr Modi that he should not travel himself in view of the perceptions about him and send a senior Cabinet colleague instead. That would have taken care of the business interests behind the trip. But trying to link it with national and Gujarati pride to derive political mileage is not proper," Mr Modhwadia said.
Posted by: vijayk Mar 18 2005, 12:56 PM
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Time to revisit this old article. 03dilip.htm
Please remove the link to that bast*rd's article. No need to give give him any more hits. Just post the article if you need to.
Posted by: acharya Mar 18 2005, 12:59 PM
Dear friends: We share with you the news that a Resolution has been moved in the US Congress condeming Narendra Modi. Sharing with you (1) a link to the actual resolution. (2) a press release by Congressmen Conyers and Pitts - who introduced the resolution, and (3) a press release by the Coalition Against Genocide. ALSO, A NEWS FLASH: March 17th 2005, New York, NY: The Coalition Against Genocide (CAG) today applauded Congressman Kendrick Meekís (D-FL 17th) decision not to go forward with hosting the dinner reception for Narendra Modi at the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) annual convention in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. THE CAMPAIGN GOES ON .... STAY TUNED. Hari sharma for SANSAD An Affiliate of Coaltion Against Genocide 1. [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z? c109: H.RES.156:] Condemning the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for his actions to incite religious persecution and urging the United States to condemn all violations of religious freedom in... (Introduced in House) ------ 2. Washington DC March 16, 2005 Media Contacts: Derek Karchner (Pitts), 202 225-2411; Michelle Persaud (Conyers), 202 225-6906 Cong. Conyers, Cong. Pitts legislation condemns persecution by Indian official Washington-Congressmen John Conyers (D, MI-14) and Joe Pitts (R, PA-16) today will introduce legislation condemning the actions of Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of Gujarat, India, and calling on the United States government to do the same. The legislation cites repeated attacks by Mr. Modi against Christian, Muslim, and tribal populations in Gujarat. "Mr. Modi has not been shy about proudly professing his anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, and anti-tribal stances. He has repeatedly dehumanized the Muslim population of his state by accusing them of treachery; he has actively sought to interfere in the practice of the Christian faith in Gujarat, and he has caused wide-scale displacement of indigenous populations in the State in the face of stiff popular resistance," said Congressman Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee and the Dean of the Congressional Black Caucus. "The evidence is clear. Mr. Modi persecutes religious minorities in Gujarat. Our government should speak with one voice in condemning these policies and the actions of the Modi administration that has led to the death, torture, and imprisonment of thousands in Gujarat," said Congressman Pitts, a member of the India Caucus and the Congressional Human Rights Caucus. Introduced just days before Mr. Modi is scheduled to speak at several events in the United States, the legislation - (1) Condemns the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra for condoning or inciting bigotry and intolerance against any religious group in India, including people of the Christian and Islamic faiths; and (2) Urges the United States to condemn violations of religious freedom, and to promote and assist other governments in the promotion of, the fundamental right to freedom of religion in India. Mr. Modi's administration has, according to both India's highest court and many international human rights groups, condoned terrible, violent crimes against religious minorities. This includes the 2002 riots in which 2,000 Indian Muslims and non-Hindus were killed by Hindu mobs. According to the Hindustan Times, minorities in Gujarat are threatened with questions like, "Would you like to live as Hindus or die! like Christians?" "India is too strong an ally for us to stand idly by while extremists undermine its commitment to democracy, the rule of law, and human rights. This resolution is the least we can do to support India's efforts to protect religious and ethnic minorities within its borders," said Congressman Pitts. Congressman Conyers concluded, "Mr. Modi has attacked Muslims and Christians with vile venom, and according to both India's highest court and many international human rights groups, has condoned terrible, violent religious hate crimes, all the while, shielding those said to have committed them. Such actions by high ranking government officials of any religion are unacceptable and must not be tolerated. The United States has a duty to set an example for other new democracies by condemning religious intolerance and promoting religious freedom, so that others may see what our great democracy stands for." *** 3. Coalition Against Genocide commends Congressmen Conyers and Pitts for condemning Narendra Modi Contact: Dr. Ashwini Rao Zeeshan Farees Tel/fax: 443 927 9039 Tel: 516-567-0783 mailto: media@c...@coalitionagainstgenocide.org For Immediate Release March 16th 2005, New York, NY: The Coalition Against Genocide (CAG) commends Congressmen John Conyers (D-MI 14th) and Joseph Pitts (R-PA 16th) for introducing a joint resolution condemning human rights abuses perpetrated by Chief Minister Narendra Modi on the occasion of his impending visit to the United States. Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of the western state of Gujarat, India, has been accused by Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch of complicity in the massacre of over 2,000 Muslims in February and March of 2002. He has also been accused by the US Commission on International religious Freedom (USCIRF) of inciting hatred and violence against Christians and other vulnerable minorities in Gujarat. The Resolution, which was introduced in the Congress on March 16, 2005 and referred to the House International Relations committee, condemns Modi and his state government for ìpromoting attitudes of racial supremacy, racial hatred, and the legacy of Nazism through his government's support of school textbooks in which Nazism is glorifiedî. The Resolution also cites ìhundreds of attacks on Christian leaders, worshipers, and churches throughout India, including killings, torture, rape and harassment of church staff, destruction of church property, and disruption of church eventsî among other human rights violations and ìcondemns the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for condoning or inciting bigotry and intolerance against any religious group in India, including people of the Christian and Islamic faithsî. Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee and the Dean of the Congressional Black Caucus, representing all the Black members in Congress, charged: "Mr Modi has not been shy about proudly professing his anti-Christian, anti-Muslim and anti-tribal stances. He has repeatedly dehumanized the Muslim population of his state by accusing them of treachery; he has actively sought to interfere in the practice of the Christian faith in Gujarat, and he has caused wide-scale displacement of indigenous populations in the State in the face of stiff popular resistanceî. Pitts, a member of the India Caucus and the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, said, "Our Government should speak with one voice in condemning these policies and the actions of the Modi administration that have led to the death, torture and imprisonment of thousands in Gujaratî. He further added, ìIndia is too strong an ally for us to stand idly by while extremists undermine its commitment to democracy, the rule of law, and human rights. This resolution is the least we can do to support India's efforts to protect religious and ethnic minorities within its bordersî. Coalition Against Genocide is a coalition of over 35 organizations that have come together to promote pluralism and tolerance and voice their opinion against sectarian politics in India. Members of CAG include organizations representing a diversity of faiths, ethnicities and ideologies. It includes womenís groups, human rights organizations, and representatives of Hindu, Christian, Muslim and Sikh communities as well as organizations of secular persuasion.
Posted by: acharya Mar 18 2005, 01:01 PM
SANSAD (Canada), March 16, 2005, Wednesday Do not let Narendra Modi get away with it We are sure you have by now heard of Narendra Modi's impending visit to the USA. Yes, it is the same Narendra Modi under whose Chief Minsitership the State of Gujarat was turned into the laboratory of "Hindu Rashtra", who tried to emulate his Nazi hero Hitler in trying to look for the "final solution" - by promoting and executing a most horrendous genocidal pogrom against the Muslims and Christians of the province. The man who should be in the docks and charged for Crimes Against Humanity, and Crimes of Genocide, is to be "honored" by his Hindutava Brigade based in the USA. Modi has been invited to be the "Guest of Honour" at the Annual Convention of Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA), to be held later this month at Fort Lauderdale in Florida. With over 8000 hotel-motel owners as members, AAHOA seems to be largely controlled by Hindutavawadis, originally from Gujarat. Modi is also supposed to be the main speaker at a public meeting at Madison Square Garden in New York city, again organized by some Sangh Parivar outfit. A man who cannot even travel freely in his own country (he was holed up at the Kolkata airport last week for over two hours since protesters blocked his entry into the city, and had to be escorted out by police) is coming to the USA to get some kind of a face-lift. But dear friends, it does not matter whether Modi comes to the USA or not, or whether or not his US-based safronized brigade manages to give him a new make-up. The sheer news of his planned arrival on these shores has done what no event in the past could do. The brutal demotion of Babri Masjid in 1992 could not do it. Modi's own genocidal pogrom of 2002 could not do it. His planned visit to the USA has enormously contributed to galvanize the real "soul" of India - specifically its pluralistic, syncretic ethos; and its contemporary commitments to uphold secular and democratic values as enshrined in the Constitution. Transcending the confines of city-based or regional groupings, transcending also the confines of religously-defined organizational structures, members of Indian Diaspora across the North American continent reached out to each other, and gave themselves a NEW organizational vehicle: COALITION AGAINST GENOCIDE (CAG). It is an enormous, a totally unprecedented achievement. You can access CAG by clicking the following link, and get to know its mission and its many activities. http://www.coalitionagainstgenocide.org/index.php We in SANSAD appeal to our friends everywhere in Canada and the USA, and also in England, to join the thirty-five+ organizations that have already become a part of the Coalition (see the list on the Homepage of the Website, under section "About CAG"). You can do so by directly contacting the Coaltion, through its website, or by writing to us in SANSAD. Within a matter of a few short days since it was was launched, over 2600 people have already signed a petition addressed to the AAOHA leaership to withdraw its invitation to Narendra Modi. If you have not done so, we request you to take a moment or two and add your name to it. Click the link to sign the petition. http://www.coalitionagainstgenocide.org/petition/modi.protest.php Some HIGHLIGHTS OF THE "COALITION AGAINST GENOCIDE" CAMPAIGNS Mr. Chris Matthews withdraws himself: Living in Canada, we are not much exposed to Chris Matthews. But as the host of the Hard Ball talk show on MSNBC, he is supposedly a media celebrity. For a "modest" fee of $50,000.00-(US), he was to share the stage with Narendra Modi at the AAHOA Convention at Fort Lauderdale. The Coalition members simply flooded his office with e-mails, faxes and scores of phone-calls each day. Maybe Chris Matthews has a good conscience. But he will be poorer by 50 grand green bucks. We are happy that he has formally declined the invitation. Targetting American Express: The American Express Corporation is one of the key sponsors of the AAHOA Convention. For the last many days, its Corporate Headquarters are practically under "siege" - with a big flood of e-mails, faxes, and phone massages from the Coaliton members, demanding, urging that AE withdraws its soponsorship. If you can, please add your voice to this flood. Check the Action Alerts on the website and you can find ways to do so. If you need help in this, write to us, and we will send you appropriate phone numbers, etc. Targetting Madison Square Garden in NYC: A lot of pressure has been put upon the managers of the MSG to cancel the event. The heat is still on. Realistically we do not think that they could cancel the event at this stage; but the Coaliton is trying. Targetting the AAHOA membership: The 8,000 hotel-motel owners, as members of AAHOA, could not all be the supporters of the Hindutava agenda of Narendra Modi, and its supporters in the USA. Many of them most likely are petty motel-owners on the highways and by-ways of America. The Coalition is making an all-out effort to go after each one of the eight thousand members of AAOHA with its message. Targetting the Diaspora: The Coaliton is in the process of taking out advertisements in many newspapers in the Diasporic communty, including in the Gujarati language. It has also been on very many radio shows. Targetting non-Indian people/organizations for support: A fight against fascism has no national borders; it being a universal issue. The Coalition is trying and succeeding in getting support from very many Non-Indian people and organizations. US Congress people: We have learnt that upto twenty+ Congress members in the US would boycott anything to do with Modi, or are willing to demand that he be not allowed in the USA. Diplomatic Visa to N. Modi: There are possibilities that the State Department of the USA may not grant the diplomatic visa Modi has applied for to enter the country. Modi in Long Beach, LA: ; The Coalition has just learnt that Modi might be in the LA area to inaugurate some "academic program" set up by the Hindutava forces, at Cal. State, Long Beach. The Coaltion is getting ready to come up with protest activities on this, mainly through the involvement of the "academic" community. We will post you about it more, as things develop. CONCRETE HELP NEEDED: ***** If you live in Florida, or are in a commutable distance, we urge you to join the Coalition forces in protest activities planned at the AAHOA Convention around March 23-24. Check the details at the website, or get back to us for more details. ***** If you live in and around New York City, and are willing to join the protest activities against N. Modi's visit at the Madison Square Garden on March 20, check the details at the Coalition website, or get back to us. ***** If you can spare some money to contribute to the efforts for containing the Hindutava Agenda, please do so, and do so generously. Again contact us for details. As a final note, we must say that we are grateful to the Asian American Hotel Owners Association, espcially its leadership, for its stupidity of inviting the architect of Gujarat genocide, guided by his commitment to Nazism/fascism/Hindutava. Their action has given the energy, the urgency, and the need, for all of us to come together. Whether Modi comes or not, and even after he goes back if he comes, the COALTION AGAINST GENOCIDE will stay as an energized, committed body to counter the poisonous influece of the Hindutava Bridgae in North America. This way we will be better able to strengthen the real struggles against fascism, and for secular and democratic India, going on in our beloved country, undertaken by our heroic people back home. Respectfully yours Hari Sharma president SANSAD (a proud Affiliate of Coalition Agaist Genocide) sansad@s... Confederation of Human Rights Organizations (CHRO)
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 01:02 PM
Iran pipe line issue may be another reason, only way to twist UPA arm. US knows it will create anti govt. movement. Main reason whu UPA is coming out with full force. One should not forget 10 Janpath and rest of government work without talking to each other. PM and government can deny any involvement, even 10 Janpath may be force behind this.
Posted by: acharya Mar 18 2005, 01:03 PM
Check this PDF file SACW/Coalition Against Genocide, March 12-16, 2005 Genocide in Gujarat : The Sangh Parivar, Narendra Modi, and the Government of Gujarat This report was compiled by Angana Chatterji, Associate Professor, Anthropology, California Institute of Integral Studies; Lise McKean, Deputy Director, Center for Impact Research, Chicago; and Abha Sur, Lecturer, Program in Women's Studies, Massachusetts Institute of Technology; with the support of various members of the Coalition Against Genocide. We acknowledge the critical assistance provided by certain graduate students, who played a substantial role in shaping this report through research and writing. In writing this, we are indebted to the courage and painstaking work of various individuals, commissions, groups and organizations. Relevant records and documents are referenced, as necessary, in the text and in footnotes. Genocide in Gujarat The Sangh Parivar, Narendra Modi, and the Government of Gujarat www.coalitionagainstgenocide.org Contents Gujarat: Narendra Modi and State Complicity in Genocide----------3 * Under Narendra Modi’s leadership, between February 28 and March 02, 2002, more than 2,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed in Gujarat, aided and abetted by the state, following which 200,000 were internally displaced. * The National Human Rights Commission of India held that Narendra Modi, as the chief executive of the state of Gujarat, had complete command over the police and other law enforcement machinery, and is such responsible for the role of the Government of Gujarat in providing leadership and material support in the politically motivated attacks on minorities in Gujarat. * Former President of India, K. R. Narayanan, stated that there was a “conspiracy” between the Bharatiya Janata Party governments at the Centre and in the State of Gujarat behind the riots of 2002. * According to independent human rights observers, the events in Gujarat meet the legal definition of genocide. The Sangh Parivar: Narendra Modi’s Inspiration----7 * Narendra Modi was a functionary of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a Hindu nationalist organization. * Nazi and fascistic ideologies motivated founding ideologues of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a Hindu nationalist organization. * Modi has incorporated the teachings of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh in his governance of Gujarat. Gujarat: Continuing Violence ------------------------8 * Following the events of February 27-March 02, 2002, the Government of Gujarat was grossly and willfully negligent in providing necessary support, security, relief, resettlement and rehabilitation measures to the victims. Narendra Modi ordered that all relief camps be shut down as of October 30, 2002. * Under Narendra Modi's leadership, more than 2,000 of the 4,000 and more cases filed by the victims of the violence were never investigated or dismissed, leading the Supreme Court of India to rebuke both the Gujarat judiciary and the Gujarat State Government for its handling of the cases, and transfer several cases out of the state for trial. There are two civil suits against Narendra Modi for crimes against humanity and genocide. * There has been widespread anti-Christian violence in Gujarat. * Narendra Modi’s actions have adversely impacted adivasis (tribals) and dalits (erstwhile ‘untouchable’ castes). * In Gujarat, after 2002, 240 people were held under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 239 Muslims and one Sikh. Gujarat: Hindutva Politics and Narendra Modi-----12 * The Citizens Tribunal recorded that Hindu nationalist organizations undertook a series of preparatory actions in Gujarat prior to 2002. * On February 14, 1999, a Hindu Nationalist-controlled "religious parliament" in Ahmedabad, the city where some of the most extreme anti-Muslim violence took place in 2002, declared "Christianity and Islam as alien religions and therefore against Indian ethos." * Narendra Modi was nominated Chief Minister of Gujarat in October 2001. Subsequently, in the next elections in December 2002, he was elected Chief Minister, and remains in office. United States: Narendra Modi and Sangh Parivar Organizations----------------------------------------13 * There has been non-partisan support in the United States for human rights in Gujarat. * In 2003 and 2004, the Commission on International Religious Freedom of the United States State Department has recommended that India be designated a Country of Particular Concern. * Narendra Modi is preparing for his first post-2002 visit to the United States, endorsed by Hindu nationalist organizations and supporters there, many among which undertake fund raising for Hindu nationalism in India. In Closing---------------------------------------------14 * Narendra Modi is in violation of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, and other international laws. * The Modi government in Gujarat is responsible for the deaths of thousands of its citizens, organized violence, large-scale displacement of minority populations, and continuing denial of justice. * A climate of terror permeates civil society in Gujarat even today. READ COMPLETE REPORT: http://www.sacw.net/Gujarat2002/GujaratReportCAG0305%202.pdf ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Confederation of Human Rights Organizations (CHRO) 3, Rams' Cottage Ambalathumukku Pettah Thiruvananthapuram-695024 Kerala South India Ph.: 0471-2476262 www.humanrightsindia.com www.humanrightskerala.com
Posted by: k.ram Mar 18 2005, 01:57 PM
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Forwarded message Subject: [BREAKING NEWS] CAIR APPLAUDS DENIAL OF VISA TO NARENDRA MODI From: "Enzo Picadilly" enzo@picadillycircus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.156.30.200 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:34:42 -0500 In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CAIR APPLAUDS DENIAL OF VISA TO NARENDRA MODI U.S. cites Indian official's role in Gujarat massacre (WASHINGTON, D.C., 3/18/05) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today applauded a decision by the United States to deny a visa to an Indian official accused of complicity in the massacre of Muslim civilians. CAIR said U.S. officials cited the role of Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, in 2002 anti-Muslim riots that left more than 1000 dead. Modi was scheduled to be the keynote speaker at the annual convention of the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA) to be held later this month in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. SEE: "U.S. Cancels Narendra Modi's Visa" http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7942917 In recent weeks, CAIR and other groups joined forces to block Modi's entry to the United States. CAIR urged the Bush administration to deny Modi a visa based on a section (Sec. 604) of the International Religious Freedom Act that makes any foreign official who has engaged in "particularly severe violations of religious freedom" inadmissible to the United States. Media reports indicate that U.S. officials used that provision to revoke his visa. Earlier this week, CAIR called on American Express to withdraw its sponsorship from the Florida convention. CAIR also lobbied Congress to urge a denial of Modi's visa and CAIR offices in New York and Georgia hosted or planned events designed to heighten awareness of the issue. SEE: "U.S. Muslims Seek to Block Entry of Gujarat Massacre Figure" http://cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1451&theType=NR "Muslims Ask AmEx to Withdraw Sponsorship of FL Event" http://cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1492&theType=NR "This case demonstrates what can be accomplished when Muslim, human rights and minority groups work together for a common purpose," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. "We would like to thank those groups and the thousands of people worldwide who took action by contacting the State Department, the White House, Congress, and the media in defense of the victims of Gujarat." CAIR, America's largest Muslim civil liberties group, has 31 offices and chapters nationwide and in Canada. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding. To read CAIR's Mission, Vision Statement and Core Principles, go to: http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=About End of forwarded message
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 18 2005, 02:18 PM
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=418780
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Modi visa: Muslim bodies hail US move George Joseph in New York | March 19, 2005 00:00 IST "The United States is sending a subtle message by cancelling the visa of Narendra Modi. The message is that the US does not approve of the sectarian strife and communal violence in India," Kalim Kawaja, a leader of the Indian Muslim Council-USA, said. "Frankly we did not expect such a move from the State Department. It was quite a surprise for us too. We welcome it and we are happy that the US has taken a clear stand on the communal issue," he said. 'Visa denial a courageous stand' "The State Department did not condemn or issue a statement when the Gujarat riots killed many people. Only the annual human rights report of the state department mentioned the killings. So this is a major change in the attitude of the State Department," he said. But he was cautious in his reaction. "Supporters of Modi may unleash their anger on his opponents," he said. "What happened in Gujarat was very similar to Kosovo. There were large scale violations of human rights," he said. "As soon as Modi came to power, the attacks began. First it was against Christians and later Muslims," he said. Kawaja said he did not expect the State Department revoke the decision. "They took the decision after carefully considering several factors. It was a very conscious decision. So chances of a revocation are not high." "This decision may not change many things. But it will evince discussion on the issue. In a sense this decision is good for India and the US," he said. "It was not taken to appease the Muslims, but it was aimed at the sectarian agendas of some," he said. The Council on American-Islamic Relations applauded the decision. "This case demonstrates what can be accomplished when Muslim, human rights and minority groups work together for a common purpose," said CAIR executive director Nihad Awad. "We would like to thank those groups and thousands of people worldwide who took action by contacting the State Department, the White House, Congress, and the media in defense of the victims of Gujarat." IMC-USA president Dr Shaik Ubaid, said: "It is a great victory for pluralism, justice and rule of law. Celebrate we must and celebrate we will. We will continue our struggle till the victims of pogroms in India get justice and the supporters of Hindutva ideology are thoroughly defeated in the US and India." "The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh was launching Modi as their next Vajpayee, their next Prime Minister. The launch site has now become the burial ground of this sinister plan. I congratulate the members of Coalition Against Genocide for their historic achievement." The Coalition Against Genocide was planning a rally on Friday evening as a dress rehearsal for the proposed protest on March 20 in front of the Madison Square Garden in New York, where Modi was supposed to speak. "The rally is changed to a victory rally," secretary of CAG George Abraham said.
Posted by: AlbertPinto Mar 18 2005, 02:24 PM
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March 19, 2005 Dr Akshay Desai is one of the hosts for an event in Florida featuring Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. He is also close to Florida Governor Jeb Bush, US President George W Bush's younger brother. He was recently appointed a Commissioner, White House Commission on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, a tribute to his proximity to the Bush family and his prominence in the Indian-American community. This is the letter Dr Desai wrote on Friday to Karl Rove, President Bush's closest political adviser and his deputy chief of staff, to protest against the denial of a US visa to Modi, which we reproduce verbatim. March 18, 2005 Mr Karl Rove Deputy Chief of Staff Senior Political Advisor 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20502 RE: Denial of Diplomatic Visa and Revocation of Visitor's Visa for the Honorable Chief Minister of Gujarat (one of the largest and richest state in India), Mr Narendra Modi Dear Karl, I am writing this to request your prompt attention on this issue for a timely remedy to avoid significant political and diplomatic damage concerning US-India relations. It is my understanding that a routine request for a diplomatic visa for Mr Narendra Modi, the Honorable Chief Minister of Gujarat, has been denied on the basis of section 212 (a)(2)(G) which 'requires to find the applicant ineligible for admission to the United States any foreign government official who has at any time been responsible for a particularly serious violation of another's religious freedom'. I have been contacted by many shocked Indian American community leaders from all across the USA, and on their behalf I am bringing the following facts to your attention. Mr Modi is a democratically elected head of Gujarat state and has never been convicted of any crimes in any court. There was a systematic 'smear campaign' carried out by his opponents. Mr Modi is a Hindu by religion and has been accused by some Muslim organizations of being anti-Muslim. As you know, India has over 800 millions practicing Hindus and the previous Hindu-dominated BJP government of India and its leaders were and are very close to our administration. The Indian American community in the USA is also predominantly Hindu and would feel humiliated. Mr Modi was coming to the USA to address the convention of Indian American hotel/motel owners, and they all feel saddened by this decision. In America, we have a tradition of not acting on just 'wild accusations' but only on hard facts, and 'innocent until proven guilty in court', for our proper course of action on any matter. There are examples of several other currently serving world leaders who have been accused of more egregious crimes, war crimes, and violations of human rights; but were allowed to visit the USA and have been welcome at the White House also. I request you to look into this, review the facts, and then our administration should arrive at the right decision to avoid any potential setback in US-India relations. Thanking you for your prompt attention. Sincerely, Akshay M Desai, MD MPH President & CEO Universal Health Care Commissioner, White House Commission on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders
Posted by: rama harish Mar 18 2005, 02:42 PM
AlbertPinto , I thank you for sharing that letter with us. Another slime garbage loittering article on times of india titled 'Modi's rhetoric finds no takers this time'
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AHMEDABAD: For once, Narendra Modi's fabled magic touch seems to be failing him. In the past, with his unique brand of rabble-rousing, he could instantly get Gujarat's urban middle class to buy his line of thinking. But this time seems different. Even as the BJP dissident camp and the NGO circuit are in celebratory mode wearing an "I said so" attitude,more and more common people are refusing to accept that the US move is an affront to India and Gujarat.Whilst most people on Friday were indifferent to the matter, some actually wondered whether the socalled "Gujarat ka sher" had become a liability for the state. "If he can't even manage a visa for himself to the US, what good can he be to 5 crore Gujaratis?" asks Aasish Patel, a businessman who voted for the BJP in the last elections. "In fact, he has become an embarrassment for all Gujaratis. We have a chief who has to be rapped by the most powerful nation in the world; what a shame," Patel, who has got relatives in the US, adds. "We are living in an interdependent world. Modi can't think that he will do anything in his backyard and nobody will ask him what he was doing," says the chief executive officer (CEO) of a top Gujarat company, which is staunchly pro-Modi, at least in public posturing. This CEO, one of whose company representatives was to accompany Modi on his now cancelled US trip, says: "Thank God, the trip has been cancelled. It is not out of love that our man is accompanying Modi on his jaunts." But there are some who have fallen for the Modi bait. "You may not agree with Modi's policies but have to accept that rejection of visa to an elected representative of Gujarat is an insult to the state.After all, he is not a common man," says Girish Dani, a businessman-cum-politician. However,well-known riot victim JS Bandukwala said: "Modi and his men are spreading falsehood by trying to project his visa rejection as a national issue. I must announce that I am one of the 5 crore Gujaratis who opposed his visa to the US. So he can't say this is an international conspiracy!" In similar vein, Congress's bestknown face in Gujarat, Shankersinh Vaghela said: "A criminal is in the CM's chair. The US administration must have had good reasons for rejecting his visa." NGOs operating in Gujarat, which are fuming because on Friday Modi labelled them "terrorist-sponsored", could not agree more with Vaghela. Though joyous, BJP dissidents felt that they would have to hold on for around 10 days before firing the next salvo. "Our fight has now reached a decisive round. We do not want Modi to convert the visa rejection into an opportunity.We will let the dust settle and then go on," said a dissident leader. "Modi has to go and within weeks, come what may," the leader added with an air of finality.
hXXp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1056146.cms [B] I'm damn sure the names mentioned in article are rigged ones.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 03:35 PM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1285967,00050001.htm
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The US on Friday described its decision to deny a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as a purely legal matter and not a reflection on India's political or judicial system. This was the first time the US law under which Modi was denied the visa had been used, said State Department official Len Scensny. "The law is relatively new. Our job is to carry out the US law," Scensny said.
Posted by: Dev Mar 18 2005, 03:38 PM
Yeah, and did ya know Len pigs have started to fly circa 2005?
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 03:41 PM
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However, Scensny emphasised: "This is not an attempt by the US to intervene in India's justice system. This is only about (Modi's) coming into the US. "It is not any kind of sanction, or any American commentary on the Indian system. The Indian system has been doing something about it. This is just a very narrow issue."
narrow issue, my ar$e. this is not the end of it. you will have to hear lots of baloney from lefties and this time the only guys who were in your favor will let you face the music.
Posted by: acharya Mar 18 2005, 03:43 PM
Modi's visa to US This is the age-old tradition which the Western world has followed of "divide and rule". First, the British did it and now it is the US. Why did C. Rice visit only the Humayun Tomb and not any other place? This shows the US policy of dividing Hindus and Muslims. Now by talking about the riots, they are refuelling problems in India between Hindus and Muslims. If they cannot create problems through Kashmir issue, they will at least try to create problems between Hindus and Muslims by opening the wounds of a problem of the past. The main aim is to keep problems in India active so that we cannot concentrate on progress and development, which is a thing of envy to the Western world. Posted by Pradeep Chellappan on 18-MAR-05
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 04:09 PM
http://www.indiapress.org/gen/news.php/The_Telegraph/400x60/0
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March 18: A month-long campaign by Muslim and Christian organisations in the US against Narendra Modi’s visit forms the backdrop to today’s decision by the Bush administration to deny the Gujarat chief minister a visa. The Council on American-Islamic Relations has spearheaded sustained lobbying of the US government and Congress members to prevent Modi from visiting the country to attend a conference of hotel owners of India origin, most of whom are Gujaratis. Separately, but adding substantial religious-political muscle, the Federation of Indian-American Christian Organisations of North America has been running an anti-Modi campaign. ........... The US Commission on International Religious Freedom prepared a series of reports on Gujarat. At a hearing held at its initiative, many representatives from India testified. One of them was Teesta Setelvad, whose organisation Communalism Combat has been working among riot victims. The daughter and son-in-law of Ehsan Jafri, who was burnt to death during the riots, had also testified
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“During my visit to India, Muslims, Buddhists, Dalits and tribals indicated that the BJP government officials and police supported these activities (riots),” Pitts said in the interview.
divide country on these lines creating Dalit and tribals as a seperate entity. These people can't recall what they have done to Native American.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 04:13 PM
it means US can deny visa to Communist also, they support naxalites directly.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 04:16 PM
http://news.newkerala.com/india-news/?action=fullnews&id=87468
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Gujarat government quotes US crime rates: [India News]: Ahmedabad, March 18 : Accused by the US of a questionable record in human rights, the Narendra Modi government in Gujarat Friday hit back by highlighting America's crime records. "What kind of human rights is the US administration talking about? Human rights of African-Americans are violated day in and day out in the US," it said in a statement distributed at a news conference here by Modi. Modi addressed the press shortly after the US publicly denied him a visa to visit that country for his alleged role in the 2002 sectarian violence in Gujarat. "India has a population of over 1,000 million compared to the US population of less than 300 million. India's police force is not as well equipped as the US law enforcement authorities. And yet, India's crime rate has been far lower than that in the US," the statement said. It compared crime rates for one million of the population in Gujarat, India and the US, recording 2.2, 3.1 and 4.1 murders, respectively. "Washington sees about 2,000 murders a year, which is more than the number of murders that take place in the whole of Gujarat. The US needs to first look at the plight of its own citizens, who constantly live in the shadow of fear, rather than teach India humanity and human rights," the statement said. "Is the US the sole guardian of religious minorities all over the world? A fairly large number of hate crimes took place in the US after 9/11. Some of them have been sorted out and some have not been. Should President Bush be held responsible for those crimes? "In the US, hate crimes have risen steadily from 2001 onwards, that is, post-9/11. Should India stop issuing visas to visiting US officials?" it said. --Indo-Asian News Service
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 04:44 PM
http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?id=13696629
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Modi questions US' stand on Kashmir Saturday, 19 March , 2005, 00:19 Ahmedabad: Hitting back at the decision of the US's denial of visa, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi on Friday questioned America' s stand on Kashmir. "Why was the President of Pakistan Pervez Musharraf welcomed in America knowing that he was responsible for state sponsored terrorism against India"? Modi said. "I want to ask US what is their relation with government of Bangladesh where in the last 30 years minorities were being killed and human rights were being violated"? he added. Modi asked whether the US government has surrendered itself to the anti-India lobby and said the ground on which that country has denied him visa was untenable. Asked whether this decision will have diplomatic implications, he said "this question should be addressed to Indian government". Modi said it was by virtue of his being a representative of a democraticallly-elected government that he had earlier visited Great Britain, Australia, Singapore and Switzerland and other countries and no country had reacted like America. Modi said Pakistan had sheltered Mumbai bomb blast accused Dawood Ibrahim and yet the US welcomes leaders from Pakistan. Asked whether he would travel to the US again, he told Star News that a decision would be taken after studying the US administration's response to India's plea for reconsidering the denial of visa to Modi. The Chief Minister commended the Centre for its stand on the issue of denial of American visa to him and said the Ministry of External Affairs has "risen above party politics and "given voice to the feelings of thousands of Indians."
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 04:52 PM
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Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:47 pm Subject: Congrss Pitts Campaigns to liberate Dalits of India -----Original Message----- From: Finkler, Karin Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:41 AM To: IR - All Rep & Dem Staff; IR - Rep Mbr LAs; HIRC - Dem LA's Subject: Attend Briefing on Human Rights Violations in India March 15, 2005 Attend Briefing on Human Rights Violations in India Dear Colleague: By now you may have received an invitation from the Dalit Freedom Network, the Institute on Religion and Public Policy, and the Wilberforce Forum regarding a briefing on Thursday, March 17, 2005, at 3:30 pm in HC-8. The briefing will focus on human rights violations in India, particularly against the Dalit people. I would encourage you and your staff to attend this briefing to learn about the plight of the Dalit people and other religious and ethnic minorities. Dr. Joseph D'Souza, President of the Dalit Freedom Network and the All India Christian Council, and Professor Kancha Ilaiah, a renowned writer and activist and Head of the Political Science Department at Osmania Univiersity in Hyderabad, India, will address the issues facing the Dalit peoples in India as well as current concerns facing religious minorities throughout India. As you may know, approximately 250 million Dalits live in India today. The Dalit people are considered the lowest sector of society under the caste system and as such are not even accorded their own caste. Sadly, the people formerly known as the "untouchables" often are treated worse than animals and are denied access to water, food, health care, housing, and at times even clothing simply because these people are deemed unworthy of the services. India, a strong ally of the United States, is a nation of great history and culture, as well as great diversity. In addition, India is the world's largest democracy and it is vital that our nation supports those who are working to ensure that fundamental human rights are protected for all peoples in India. Should you wish to attend this event, please RSVP to the Dalit Freedom Network at (303) 221-1333 or info@d.... Also, please note that the sponsoring organizations will be providing refreshments for attendees at the event. Sincerely, Joseph R. Pitts Member of Congress
Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 18 2005, 05:04 PM
I has the opportunity to further understand the work of the Dalit Freedom Network, a ministry committed to empowering India's "untouchables" in their quest for social freedom and human dignity by networking human, financial and informational resources. http://www.24-7prayer.com/cm/lodown/514]
Posted by: acharya Mar 18 2005, 05:14 PM
http://www.dalitnetwork.org/about.html
Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 18 2005, 05:46 PM
from the above url "A central office in the Denver, Colorado area will act as the hub to connect the people and finances to the areas of need in India. DFN will primarily work with the All India Christian Council to decide the best place to utilize these resources."
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 05:47 PM
http://nation.com.pk/daily/oct-2004/12/latest.php
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US lawmaker wants special envoy to settle Kashmir issue ISLAMABAD (APP)- A United States lawmaker has introduced a Bill in the Congress urging the State Department to appoint a special envoy to settle the Kashmir issue between India and Pakistan. The bill to this effect was moved in the House of Representatives by Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania Joe Pitts, who is a member of both Pakistan and India Caucus groups in the Congress, PTI reported. A 51-member Congressional group was launched in June to promote Pakistan's interests in the US Congress and the Senate.
both caucuses ? how does this work ?
Posted by: k.ram Mar 18 2005, 06:01 PM
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from the above url "A central office in the Denver, Colorado area will act as the hub to connect the people and finances to the areas of need in India. DFN will primarily work with the All India Christian Council to decide the best place to utilize these resources."
How come some of our own home grown Hindu Reformers who bray their throats dry for invasion of India, are missing in action? rolleyes.gif laugh.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 06:03 PM
http://www.rediff.com/us/2002/feb/13ny.htm
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On the House side was congressman Joe Pitts, a Pennsylvania Republican who recently visited Afghanistan and Pakistan and has become one of Musharraf's cheerleaders in the US. Pitts introduced a resolution welcoming Musharraf and praised him for helping the US in its war in Afghanistan. Pitts, whose resolution was referred to the House International Relations Committee, said the US-led anti-terrorism campaign "underscores the importance of strengthening the historic bilateral relationship between the US and Pakistan". The lawmaker, who is a member of the International Relations Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia, said Musharraf had sought to return Pakistan "to democracy and civil society and has adhered to the timetable for restoring democratic elections to Pakistan".
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 06:12 PM
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040922/world.htm
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Overlap between India, Pak caucuses raises concern Ashish Kumar Sen writes from Washington Twelve members of the Congressional Caucus on India and Indian-Americans are also members of the Congressional Caucus on Pakistan. This overlap has raised concern in some quarters about a “conflict of interest,” and that dual responsibilities could result in members “tempering” their stand on some important issues. A list of members of the Pakistan Caucus made available to The Tribune, includes Sheila Jackson-Lee (Texas Democrat), Jan Schakowsky (Illinois Democrat), Danny K. Davis (Illinois Democrat), Pete Sessions (Texas Republican), Fred Upton (Michigan Republican), Dale E. Kildee (Michigan Democrat), Linda T. Sanchez (California Democrat), Kay Granger (Texas Republican), Gregory W. Meeks (New York Democrat), Michael M. Honda (California Democrat), Joe Pitts (Pennsylvania Republican) and Peter T. King (New York Republican), all of whom are also members of the India caucus. Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf will officially inaugurate the Pakistan Caucus in Washington on Wednesday. Co-chairman of the India Caucus, Congressman Joseph Crowley, New York Democrat, said he did not see overlapping membership as “conflicting, because of the movement in peace talks between the two nations.” In his role as Co-Chairman, Mr Crowley has been a vocal critic of the Bush administration’s decision naming Pakistan a major non-NATO ally. Incidentally, he is also the founder and chairman of the Congressional Caucus on Bangladesh. He was confident that the presence of members in both the India and Pakistan caucuses would not undermine the work of the India Caucus. “The [India] caucus advocates many different issues, and supporting both India and Pakistan should not be viewed as a conflict. In addition the caucus focuses on Indian-Americans and their concerns of better education, healthcare, hate crimes legislation, many issues which Pakistani Americans and other new Americans are also concerned about.” Mr Crowley said the Pakistan Caucus was “another avenue for members to support the war on terrorism and ensuring the growth of a civil society in Pakistan.” A key player on the Pakistan Caucus, Congressman Dan Burton, Indiana Republican, is an ardent supporter of the dwindling Khalistan lobby in Washington and a vitriolic critic of India’s record in Kashmir. Besides Mr Burton, other members of the Pakistan Caucus are: Major R. Owens (New York Democrat), John Conyers, Jr (Michigan Democrat), Rick Renzi (Arizona Republican), Jim Turner (Texas Democrat), Joe L. Barton (Texas Republican), Jeb Bradley (New Hampshire Republican), Rod Simmons (Connecticut Republican), Elijah E. Cummings (Maryland Democrat), John B Larson (Connecticut Democrat), Thomas M. Davis III (Virginia Republican) and Peter Hoekstra (Michigan Republican). A September 9 invitation from Mr Burton and Ms Jackson-Lee to Wednesday reception states the Pakistan Caucus was created on July 9, this year “in an effort to foster mutual respect and cooperation between the USA and the Nation of Pakistan while improving and further developing long-term political and security relations between the two nations.” “(President) Musharraf has made great strides to engage the Indian Government in establishing a sustained peace dialogue through confidence-building measures. The goal of which is to create a safe and peaceful South-Asian community to foster socio-economic growth,” the letter notes. Officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the caucus members who were also involved with the India Caucus would serve the Pakistan Caucus well if they “communicate India’s concerns to Pakistani officials and let them know that some of these are real.” Explaining Mr Pitts’ involvement in both the India and Pakistan caucuses, the Congressman’s spokesman Derek Karzhner said: “Our nation is a close ally of both countries (India and Pakistan). The Congressman sees his role as a partner working for peace and reconciliation between the two countries. In his view there is no conflict of interest.” The presence of the Pakistan Caucus on Capitol Hill, Mr Karzhner said, would help create a “level playing field, help raise issues Pakistan deals with and improve Pakistan’s profile.” Confirming Mr Honda’s involvement in both the Pakistan and the India caucuses and his plan to attend the reception for Gen Musharraf, Jay Staunton, the Congressman’s Communications Director and counsel, said: “He sees this as an opportunity to foster mutual respect and cooperation between the USA and Pakistan while improving and developing long term political and security relations between the countries and the South Asia region as a whole.” Mr Staunton dismissed concern about a conflict of interest. Acknowledging that there are “historical tensions between the two countries,” Mr Staunton said this was “all the more reason to have representatives who are able to discuss solutions. The Congressman doesn’t see it as undermining his efforts to work with each group. It would be more problematic to be a member of one and not the other. He is not interested in playing favourites.” Many times, Mr Crowley said, members join caucuses based on their constituencies. “Many (lawmakers) represent both active Pakistani and Indian communities.” Ms Granger’s spokeswoman also allayed concerns about a conflict of interest. “Relations with both India and Pakistan are important for international trade and global security. The congresswoman understands that both countries are our strategic partners,” she said, on condition of anonymity. Various lobby groups with deep pockets regularly use members of Congress to further their agenda on Capitol Hill. In the past, Mr Burton has tabled resolutions in Congress aimed at censuring and cutting aid to India. At that time, members of the India Caucus successfully thwarted those attempts. In future, caucus members with twin loyalties may find it difficult to act with such conviction.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 06:49 PM
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=66728
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Modi, martyr! The US government has achieved the impossible: Modi can now play the persecuted Send Feedback E-mail this story Print this story Posted online: Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 0000 hours IST When Narendra Modi talks democracy and human rights, even ‘‘violation of judicial norms’’ and ‘‘religious freedom’’, and he gets away with it, you know the plot has gone terribly astray somewhere. The US government accomplished a marvellous feat on Friday. It denied the Gujarat chief minister a diplomatic visa and revoked an already granted tourist visa, for being a government official who was ‘‘responsible for or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom’’. In the process, it allowed Modi not only to affect the genuine outrage of the persecuted but also to legitimately divert the spotlight from his own earned notoriety to US hypocrisies on issues of religious freedom. The revoking of visa to Modi is objectionable because it harks back to US double standards and because it is simply bad in principle. On the first count, the evidence is long and compelling. The US has memorably played hospitable host to, among others, the armed conspirators of Khalistan. Among its best friends, it counts the Saudi regime that continues to deny religious freedom to its people as a matter of course. In the visa rejection’s aftermath, the spurned Modi himself has made bold to question the US record in Iraq. Clearly, the US is not always, nor nearly equally, agitated about violations of people’s religious freedoms. But even if it had been so, the barring of Modi from US soil on these grounds is highly problematic, if not self-defeating. Banning and proscribing always ends up by lending more power to the politics of those who are banned and proscribed. If the purpose was to register its censure of Modi’s brand of hate politics, which propelled his government’s criminal abdication during the communal violence of 2002, the US would have done far better to let Modi travel to the country and then face protest groups and demonstrations of the kind that so embarrassingly greeted him in the UK not very long ago, instead of gifting him this opportunity to pose as martyr. Democracies have ways of enforcing accountability from those like Modi and India is a mature democracy. Political and institutional mechanisms are at work. They are slow and tortuous, and they don’t always deliver unmixed results, but they will hopefully ensure that justice is done for Gujarat 2002 and its ghosts are fully laid to rest. As is well known, the Supreme Court has shown a remarkable commitment to this process, so has a fearless and independent media. India’s government has done well to register its protest at the US decision. The US government must rest assured that India can deal with its Narendra Modi.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 18 2005, 08:03 PM
http://aopp.org/kashmir.htm From Association of Pakistani Professionals website
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hree members of Congress established the Kashmir Forum Rep. Joe Pitts (R, PA-16), Rep. Kevin Brady (R, TX-8), Rep. David Bonior (D,MI-10). Kashmir Forum website: http://www.house.gov/pitts/kashmir.htm The mission of the forum is to "educate Members [of Congress] about all sides of the conflict over Kashmir and encourage the establishment of a healthy dialogue among all parties." Thank the three congressmen who have taken the initiative to establish the Kashmir Forum. As of yet, Congressmen Bonior, Brady, and Pitts are the forum's only members. Ask your representative in Washington to join the Kashmir Forum. Encourage current congressional candidates - particularly those who have tight races - to join the forum if elected to office. Whenever you hear media talking about the disputed territory without mentioning "Kashmiris" call and write to them and insist they include the Kashmiri voice.
Posted by: acharya Mar 18 2005, 08:49 PM
I called this number and left my protest message. I think we should ask as many people to leave messages on the following number. I was told by an employee over there that they have received many calls to that effect and so they have made specific arrangements on that number for people to leave messages. Similarly you can Fax a letter also. The Fax number to Fax our letters is (202) 647-2283 Public Communication Division: PA/PL, Rm. 2206 U.S. Department of State 2201 C Street NW Washington, D.C. 20520 202-647-6575 RE: Denial of Diplomatic Visa and Revocation of Visitor’s Visa for the Honorable Chief Minister of Gujarat (one of the largest and richest state in India), Mr.Narendra Modi Dear I am writing this to request your prompt attention on this issue for a timely remedy to avoid significant political and diplomatic damage concerning US-India relations. It is my understanding that a routine request for a diplomatic visa for Mr.Narendra Modi, the Honorable Chief Minister of Gujarat, has been denied on the basis of section 212 (a)(2)(G) which ‘requires to find the applicant ineligible for admission to the United States any foreign government official who has at any time been responsible for a particularly serious violation of another’s religious freedom’. I have been contacted by many shocked Indian American community leaders from all across the USA, and on their behalf I am bringing the following facts to your attention. Mr. Modi is a democratically elected head of Gujarat state and has never been convicted of any crimes in any court. There was a systematic ‘smear campaign’ carried out by his opponents. Mr. Modi is a Hindu by religion and has been accused by some Muslim organizations of being anti-Muslim. As you know, India has over 800 millions practicing Hindus and the previous Hindu dominated BJP government of India and its leaders were and are very close to our administration. The Indian American community in the USA is also predominantly Hindu and would feel humiliated. Mr. Modi was coming to the USA to address the convention of Indian American hotel/motel owners, and they all feel saddened by this decision. In America, we have a tradition of not acting on just ‘wild accusations’ but only on hard facts, and ‘innocent until proven guilty in court’, for our proper course of action on any matter. There are examples of several other currently serving world leaders who have been accused of more egregious crimes, war crimes, and violations of human rights; but were allowed to visit the USA and have been welcome at the White House also. I request you to look into this, review the facts, and then our administration should arrive at the right decision to avoid any potential setback in US-India relations. Thanking you for your prompt attention. Sincerely,
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 18 2005, 09:53 PM
PRESS RELEASE RE: NARENDRA MODI In view of denial of visa to democratically elected Chief Minister of Gujarat by US government, a meeting was hurriedly summoned in New Jersey by Association of Indian Americans of North America (AIANA) in which prominent Indian community leaders participated. The leaders deplored the action of US government and expressed shock, bewilderment and anger. After due deliberation for three hours or so, it was unanimously decided, in the words of Raj Kapoor, the famous Indian movie star, “THAT THE SHOW MUST GO ON”. In the meeting, it was announced that due to changed circumstances, Narendra Modi will address the audience at Madison Square Garden, in the heart of New York City, via Satellite. on a big screen. His speech will be telecast live from Gandhi Nagar, Gujarat. The leaders also ppealed to the India community to attend this public meeting in a big number to show their support and solidarity with Narendra Modi. Narain Kataria Event Coordinator
Posted by: Viren Mar 18 2005, 10:11 PM
Oh, oh..Paki-Marxists cabal won't be getting refunds on buses and hotel bookings sad.gif protest rally -->to--> victory rally -->back to--> protest rally. "Spare a tear" for Khawaja guys wink.gif
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 18 2005, 10:50 PM
Confirmed Confirmed Confirmed Confirmed Confirmed Confirmed Shri Narendra Modi *****LIVE***** Via VIDEO CONFERENCING In spite of the uncalled for and unfair decision of the US Government to deny the Visa to a democratically elected official of the Indian Government by 60 million Indians, we are proud to present Shri Narendra Modiji LIVE from India! Come and support the Indian American Community at a public meeting in Madison Square Garden! Date: Sunday March 20th, 2005 Time: 4:30PM Hear the leader and statesman of Vibrant Gujarat LIVE!
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 18 2005, 10:53 PM
Some rich NRI donor must have put the bite on this congressman Sulekha US Congressman says he is not opposed to Modi's US visit Mar 17, 2005 04:44:00 PM Washington, Mar 17 (PTI) An American Congressman today said that he "condemned" policies and actions of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's administration, but was not opposed to the BJP leader's visit to the US as attributed to him. Democrat Congressman John Conyer's office said that he was being misquoted by the media on his statement on Modi. While the Congressman "condemned" policies and actions of Modi's administration, he did not oppose his coming to the US, Conyer's office said. PTI
Posted by: Mudy Mar 18 2005, 11:11 PM
Excellent, hit where it hurts, PURSE!!!! biggrin.gif
Posted by: ashyam Mar 19 2005, 01:36 AM
Next time when BJP comes to power, make Narendra Modi the external affairs minister. A sweet revenge to the nut cases.
Posted by: SSridhar Mar 19 2005, 01:54 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1056494.cms Of course...of course. He was also a stmbling block in the fraudulent conversion to Christianity. No wonder these cabals are rejoicing.
Posted by: Viren Mar 19 2005, 05:29 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1056484.cms?headline=Modi~has~a~way~to~beat~US~ban
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NEW YORK: Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, whose visa has been revoked by the US, is now expected to address the scheduled public meeting in the city via satellite on Sunday. The Association of Indians of North America (AINA), the organiser of the public meeting in the Madison Square Garden in New York, said they plan to put up a huge screen in the hall to telecast Modi's speech live from Gandhinagar. Deploring the US decision to deny diplomatic visa to and revoke tourist/business visa of Modi, its officials said at a hurriedly convened press conference on Friday that the association was "shocked and bewildered" by the denial of visa to a democratically elected Chief Minister. An AINA spokesperson claimed that the organisation represented the point of view of the majority of Indian-Americans in the United States. But the Coalition Against Genocide, which had planned to hold a protest outside the Madison Square Garden, too claimed that it represented the majority of the Indian-Americans and praised the decision to revoke Modi's visa, saying his effort to put up a moderate face have failed. AINA said it was expecting about 10,000 people for the meeting but the cancellation of Modi's visa would mean a loss of 100,000 dollars to individuals and community organisations which had contributed for organising the function. AINA also welcomed Indian government's strong reaction asking the US to urgently review its "uncalled for" decision. Modi's visit was billed as business trip at which, the organisers said, he planned to showcase India in general and Gujarat in particular as a business destination.
Posted by: SSridhar Mar 19 2005, 05:34 AM
I suspect the hand of Ms. Antonio Maino in this. Like what happened in Jharkand and Goa where Ms. Maino behaved unscrupulously in removing/preventing democratically elected Governments, she also probably hinted approval to Condi of such an action against Modi, without really understanding the implications of her action. This Italian woman is becoming dangerous to the security, integrity and the harmony of our nation.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 19 2005, 05:50 AM
But American Express withdrew its advertisement because we had invited our beloved leader Narendra Modi for the Convention. In retaliation, our association has decided not to accept American Express Card PRESS RELEASE RE: NARENDRA MODI In view of denial of visa to democratically elected Chief Minister of Gujarat by US government, a meeting was hurriedly summoned in New Jersey by Association of Indian Americans of North America (AIANA) in which prominent Indian community leaders participated. The leaders deplored the action of US government and expressed shock, bewilderment and anger. After due deliberation for three hours or so, it was unanimously decided, in the words of Raj Kapoor, the famous Indian movie star, â?oTHAT THE SHOW MUST GO ONâ?. In the meeting, it was announced that due to changed circumstances, Narendra Modi will address the audience at Madison Square Garden, right in the heart of New York City, via Satellite. on a big screen. His speech will be telecast live from Gandhi Nagar, Gujarat. The leaders also appealed to the India community to attend this public meeting in a big number to show their support and solidarity with Narendra Modi. A representative of American Association of Hotel and Motel Owners Association mentioned in the meeting that American Express Company had pledged $150,000 for their Convention. But American Express withdrew its advertisement because we had invited our beloved leader Narendra Modi for the Convention. In retaliation, our association has decided not to accept American Express Card. Due to this decision, American Express could lose more than $5 million in commissions. To express their angst and grief, the association will cut into pieces or burn American Express Card at Madison Square Garden on March 20th. The association has also decided to appeal to Indian Americans to boycott American Express card. Future course of action will be charted after the public meeting on March 20th in New York. Narain Kataria Event Coordinator
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 19 2005, 05:53 AM
A note regarding these Gujju hoteliers Circa 1984, Diane Feinstein, the Mayor of San Francisco launched an anti-Patel motel campaign In retaliation, the Patels refused to accept welfare cases for lodging in their low rent motels Within 2 weeks Diane Feinstein came crawling back with an apology We dont need these 'corporate sponsors' They need our money
Posted by: Nalwa Mar 19 2005, 07:51 AM
Normally I am pro american, given that we have the same enemy - militant islam But this act of the US has left no room for "understanding" In ne samajh kya rakha hai. Modi is not a convict. No court has said he is guilty. Only commi and kangressi kutta's and kuttia's have been barking about him. All true Indian's in USA should fuk AMEX and boycott AMEX. We have to learn to be ruthless with our enemies.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 08:23 AM
Good move by AINA. They should stop accepting Amex at their hotels too. That will really teach the b@stards. And if small shop-owners get p1ssed we are talking lots of money.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 08:25 AM
BTW AINA should think about streaming video over the internet too. That way people from all over (not just NY) can watch.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 08:31 AM
I am happy parties are going beyond their local politics to protest this. http://www.deepikaglobal.com/latestnews.asp?ncode=26496
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Modi visa: US flag burnt in MP Indore, Mar 19 (UNI) BJP workers burnt the US flag today as leaders cut across party lines in Madhya Pradesh to unanimously condemn the United States' move to deny a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. Madhya Pradesh's ruling BJP and minority leaders of the main opposition Congress flayed the US action. ''The American action is an insult to India's 100 crore citizens and also global democracy. The US, which infringes on human rights across the world, has no right to speak of these very rights,'' state Congress Minorities Cell Vice-Chairman Akhtar Baig said in a statement. Pointing out that no Indian court had held Mr Modi guilty of instigating the Gujarat riots, he said the move amounted to intervention in the nation's internal affairs and the Centre should deliver a fitting reply.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 08:36 AM
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/19modi9.htm
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Congressman Joe Pitts, the Pennsylvania Republican who led the Congressional charge to deny Modi entry to the US with 21 other lawmakers, lauded the State Department for the decision, saying, "When I joined 21 of my colleagues earlier this month in requesting that President Bush bar Mr Modi from the country, I hoped that our government would send a clear message that we care about justice and rule of law. Today the administration did just that." "This decision tells people still suffering in Gujarat that we believe they all deserve the right to equal treatment under the law and we are willing to stand up to people who deny it to them. And it tells foreign leaders that we will stand for religious freedom."
Look at the psyops - he thinks gujarat is his baap ki jaagir. He is the badshah of gujarat and it is just the leaders who are foreign. We care about justice and rule of law ? Which justice ? Which law ? Indias law or the US law ? These goras cant get rid of their itch to rule the dirty heathens i guess... furious.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 08:41 AM
http://www.sulekha.com/news/ThreadComment.aspx?cid=557535
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Diplomatic Fallout Follows Rice"s India Visit New Delhi, Mar 18 The US decision to deny visas to Indian government Minister Narendra Modi, Major of Gujarat state, unleashed a diplomatic conflict with India. The incident follows the visit here of State Secretary Condoleezza Rice two days ago. Indian Foreign Minister Natwar Singh urged explanations from US Ambassador David Mulford whose actions a spokesperson described as "unwarranted", and demonstrating a lack of courtesy and sensitivity to a constitutionally elected representative of the country. Modi was invited to attend a hotel convention in Florida and a business meeting in New York. But in addition his tourist and business visas were also annulled on charges of violating freedom of religion. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) called the decision an insult to the nation and asked the US to reconsider its position. Present differences of opinion between the countries stem from US opposition to India"s building the gas pipeline to Iran, and India"s opposition to US sales of combat aircraft to Pakistan. During her visit, Rice tried to pressure India to suspend the gas pipeline construction but the hosts were determined to go ahead with the project to meet their domestic fuel needs. India also questioned sales 40 F-16 aircraft to Pakistan, with whom there have had three wars, since in its view that would bring about a military imbalance in Southern Asia.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 08:58 AM
Its failure of Indian Embassy, I still believe they have intentionally did it, instructed by Sonia Christian and Muslim lobby. Hindus are not united in US. We failed to change outcome. These Indian Muslim and Christian groups are lying for so long and they are able to change outcome. We are always defensive. We have to change this trend. Hindus need to be shed biased secularism these Christian and Muslim preach to Hindus. We have to be proactive.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 10:08 AM
I think this is a psyops by TOI to curtail any bipartisan action in this case. The issue is clear. It is not about hindus or muslims or BJP or congress. An Indian CM has been denied diplomatic visa and is a clear interference in India's internal affairs. India is not Ukraine or Austria. This needs to be made clear. Just as Powell screwed India after his visit (munna status), Rice has screwed India by taking this action. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1056458.cms
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Now Modi may emerge stronger in Gujarat AHMEDABAD: The US snub to Chief Minister Narendra Modi could end up strengthening his hands at a time when dissidence against him in the Gujarat Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was beginning to raise its head again. While the US move to deny him a visa Friday on the grounds of "serious violation of religious freedom" was hailed by rights groups, it also generated support and sympathy for him. "The US decision can actually give a handle to Modi's critics within the party as well as in the opposition. However, it is difficult to predict how things will shape up in the near future," said political analyst Dinesh Shukla. Even as state Congress leaders tried to justify the basis of the US decision, External Affairs Minister K. Natwar Singh, a Congress veteran himself, had to take up Modi's case with the US government. Also swept aside were dissident legislators in his BJP, who were attempting another round of rebellion. "The party leadership needs to resolve our grievances. But who'll listen to us now? He may well become even more autocratic in the days to come," a source close to the rebel camp told IANS on condition of anonymity. Known as the "poster boy of hardcore Hindutva" for his pro-majority bias and popular among sections of the Hindu community worldwide, Modi has been repeatedly targeted by his own party's legislators who call him authoritarian. The rebels, supported by Modi's archrivals in the state, had become vocal once again in the past few weeks and were to meet party president L.K. Advani over the weekend to voice their grievances. But Advani is now expected to support Modi's cause by addressing a rally Sunday to protest the US decision. This is not the first time Modi has recovered ground. Modi first faced rebellion last June following the party's debacle in the state during the general election. Rebels had found support from top leaders too. But then an alleged plot to kill Modi was revealed along with a controversial police encounter that left four alleged terrorists dead. The headline-grabbing case generated sympathy for Modi in many quarters and silenced dissidents. Later last year, political observers had again started the countdown to Modi's fall, when former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee criticised him on secular grounds and the criticism provoked the Hindutva fraternity to rush to Modi's aid.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 10:09 AM
SD liars are exposed.. http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=88042
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NHRC says no susbstance in US charge against Narendra Modi [India News]: New Delhi, Mar. 19 : There seems to be no substance in US Administration's ground that they acted on the basis of the recommendation of the National Human Rights Commission, while denying a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. US State Department deputy spokesman Adam Ereli said, the US government "responding to a finding by the Indian National Human Rights Commission," took the decision to deny visa to Modi. Highly placed sources in the Commission, who had made detailed investigation into the Gujarat riots after the Godhra train carnage of February 2002, however, said, "No individual had been personally held responsible for the riots by the Commission."
Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 19 2005, 10:13 AM
user posted image see the image, SANSAD is part of leftist coalition againg Hindu Dharma
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 10:14 AM
BJP statement. http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050319&fname=modi&sid=4
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'Vile, Vicious And Sustained Propaganda' A meeting of the CMs of five BJP-ruled states evokes 1984 and appeals 'all sections of Indian society and polity to sink their internal differences to defend our national honour and self-respect by unequivocally condemning the US action' BHARTIYA JANATA PARTY A meeting of the Chief Ministers of five BJP-rule states (Gujarat, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand) was held in New Delhi on March 19, 2005. It was chaired by Shri L.K. Advani, President of the BJP. The states were represented by Smt. Vasundhara Raje (CM Rajasthan), Dr. Raman Singh (CM Chhattisgarh), Shri Babulal Gaur (CM, Madhya Pradesh), Shri Arjun Munda (CM Jharkhand) and Shri Vajubhai Vala (Finance Minister, Gujarat). Shri M. Venkaiah Naidu, former Party President, Shri Jaswant Singh, Leader of the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha, Shri Yashwant Sinha, former Finance Minister, and several senior functionaries of the Party were also present. The meeting adopted the following resolution: We deplore the decision of the US government to deny diplomatic visa to Shri Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of Gujarat, who was scheduled to visit the United States on a five-day tour beginning March 20. This action is a slur on our Constitution, legal systems, democracy and the entire Indian diaspora worldwide. Shri Modi is the head of a democratically elected government of one of the states of India. Denying him visa is an act of diplomatic discourtesy of an unprecedented and most indefensible kind. There can be no place for such insolence in the relationship between any two countries, least of all between two democracies. We hold the US administration guilty of embittering the relations between the friendly people of India and America. India will resolve all internal issues internally and accepts neither international referees nor overview. The US is not an international guardian or the sole repository of human rights, morality or freedom of faith. We believe that pseudo-secular parties and organizations in our country have, wittingly or unwittingly, contributed to this denouement. After all, the US government's action must be seen in the overall context of the vile, vicious and sustained propaganda carried on by these organizations against the BJP in general, and Shri Narendra Modi in particular. As our Party had repeatedly stated in the past, this propaganda was not only against the BJP but it also besmirched the image of India globally. Let us not forget the gory happenings in Delhi in 1984 in the wake of Smt. Indira Gandhi's tragic assassination. However, no one ever sought to use the killings to tarnish the reputation of the then ruling party at international fora, as has been done in the case of Gujarat. It is a matter of satisfaction that the government of India has protested against the US administration's action and urged Washington to reconsider its decision. We appeal to all sections of Indian society and polity to sink their internal differences to defend our national honour and self-respect by unequivocally condemning the US action.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 10:18 AM
CAG statement.. http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050319&fname=modi&sid=2
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'A Clear Victory For All Indians' It is unfortunate that the issue had to come down to the U.S. revoking his visa, when the UPA government itself should have acted against Mr. Modi's criminal misrule after it came to power on behalf of the Indian people almost a full year ago. COALITION AGAINST GENOCIDE An Open Letter to the Prime Minister of India Shri Manmohan Singh Prime Minister Government of India South Block, Raisina Hill New Delhi - 110 011 Dear Prime Minister, We at the Coalition Against Genocide, representing a wide spectrum of over 35 organizations representing thousands of NRIs, urge you to not contest the U.S. State's denial of a diplomatic visa to Mr. Narendra Modi and the cancellation of his existing tourist/business visa. CAG considers the denial of visa to Mr. Modi as a clear victory for all Indians and for supporters of human rights and justice in the U.S. and in India. Claims made by Mr. Modi and the Sangh Parivar that this represents an "insult to India and the [Indian] Constitution" are laughable, coming as it does from people who have stained the Indian constitution with the blood of thousands of its citizens. Given that your government had recommended to the American embassy that Mr. Modi be given a multi-entry visa, we can understand your discomfiture at the new turn of events. However, we urge you to look at this not through a nationalistic lens or as a violation of protocol, but to consider the larger issues involved. Is nationalism not important ? The complicity of Mr. Modi's government in the February-March 2002 Gujarat pogrom is now public knowledge. Not only was Mr. Modi delinquent in his duties as Chief Minister of Gujarat, but he also effectively demobilized the state apparatus and gave a free hand to his ideological brethren (from the Sangh Parivar) to carry out the killings. This has been affirmed by numerous national and international civil rights organizations and women's groups. It is also known that Mr. Modi unleashed a virulent campaign against Muslims even after the pogroms and particularly during the campaigning for the December 2002 assembly elections. That the Sangh Parivar's campaign of hate contributed to a stark polarization of the Gujarati civil society along communal lines and eventually resulted in Mr. Modi's electoral victory is also well accepted. (We will be glad to share with you video footage of the divisive ideology of the Sangh at work before the December 2002 assembly elections.) One newspaper aptly called Mr. Modi's victory a "harvest of hatred." In short, we assert that while accepting that Mr. Modi was elected to power, we also need to remind ourselves of the willful flouting of constitutional and election commission norms in the run up to the assembly elections, the circumstances under which the elections were held, and the human costs of Mr. Modi's electoral victory. The issue is not simply of Mr. Modi's devious rise to power. After storming back to power in December 2002, his government has played an active role in shielding the culprits and harassing the survivors, witnesses and social justice groups. In a scathing indictment of Mr. Modi, the Indian Supreme Court pronounced: "The modern day Neros (a reference to the Gujarat Government) were looking elsewhere when Best Bakery and innocent children and women were burning, and were probably deliberating how the perpetrators of the crime can be saved or protected." The Supreme Court also castigated the Gujarat government for shielding the guilty and ordered the re-opening of 2,000-odd riot cases that had been closed in a hurry. Perceiving danger to the victims and witnesses, the Court -- in an unprecedented move also shifted some cases outside Gujarat. The Supreme Court's not-so-implicit message was that Mr. Modi cannot be relied upon to discharge his duties. Mr. Modi has time and again revealed his utter incapability for discharging his constitutional duties, but that hasn't stopped him from loudly proclaiming his constitutional rights as head of state. We aren't the least bit surprised at Mr.Modi's reaction to his visa snub, but we're appalled that the Indian government has lodged a strong protest to the American embassy and asked for an "urgent reconsideration." At this moment, we urge you to think of the valiant struggle for justice waged by the pogrom survivors and human rights activists in Gujarat, and the constant harassment they have faced from Mr. Modi's government and his swayamsevak friends. Mr. Modi's criminal conduct in India ought to have been the real basis for censure and legal redress. It is unfortunate that the issue had to come down to the U.S. revoking his visa, when the UPA government itself should have acted against Mr. Modi's criminal misrule after it came to power on behalf of the Indian people almost a full year ago. Yes if problem cant be solved in India we will run to our mai-baaps elsewhere.. furious.gif In keeping with your common minimum program, we urge you to take immediate action to ensure speedy justice for the victims of the Gujarat pogrom, and bring the perpetrators to book. We also urge you to curtail the fund-raising activities in the US of hate groups such as the one Mr. Modi belongs to. On our part, we hope to build on the long tradition of human rights activism in India and the U.S. particularly the awe-inspiring legacies of Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and seek to continue working towards a truly secular and harmonious India - a country without hatred, where people are not persecuted because of their faith or political beliefs, but where (in the immortal words of the great Rabindranath Tagore) the mind is without fear and the head held high. Yours Sincerely, Mr. George Abraham, Non Resident Indians for a Secular and Harmonious India Dr. Angana Chatterji, Professor of Anthropology, California Institute of Integral Studies, San Francisco Ms. Sapna Gupta, South Asian Progressive Action Collective Dr. Ashwini Rao, Campaign to Stop Funding Hate Dr. Shaik Ubaid, Indian Muslim Council Dr. Usha Zacharias, Professor of Communications, Westfield State College, Massachusetts
Posted by: Amber G. Mar 19 2005, 11:31 AM
http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=87920
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ndia American led-commission had advised against Modi visit [World News]: Washington, March 19 : The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), chaired by Indian American Preeta Bansal, had advised the State Department to prevent Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi from visiting this country. The commission said it was gratified by the State Department's denial of a visa to Modi. "The commission communicated with the State Department about the matter some time ago. We urge the department to act with appropriate Indian officials to forestall or prevent the planned visit," Bansal said on the commission's statement posted on its website March 17. Bansal said she did not wish to give any more comments than have been already put in the USCIRF's statement but added that the organisation had worked with the State Department "on getting this done". The State Department Friday announced it was denying Modi a diplomatic visa and also revoking his business visa on grounds that his government had in some way allegedly been linked to the deaths of some 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat nearly three years ago. Modi's visa was denied under the Immigration and Nationality Act that says any foreign government official that is linked to incidents of severe persecutions in religious freedom would not be allowed to visit this country. Patricia Carley, Associate Director of Policy at USCIRF, said the State Department's decision was "in keeping with what the Commission called for yesterday." "The Commission is gratified by the State Department's decision. In fact, we have been in consultation with the State department and alerted them on the issue in January." She conceded that it took the State Department so much time to come to this decision, "... and I don't think it was an easy decision for them. This sort of thing is not done often. But I guess in the case of Mr. Modi, I think we were looking at a person who had been implicated in the events of Gujarat by India's own government investigative bodies as well as human rights organizations." For Washington, Carley said, "Obviously, I don't' think that this decision was taken lightly." In its statement the USCIRF, after expressing "deep concern" notes that "Three years ago, after a fire on a train resulted in the death of 58 Hindus, hundreds of Muslims were killed across Gujarat by Hindu mobs. Hundreds of mosques and Muslim-owned businesses and other kinds of infrastructure were looted or destroyed and, in the end, as many as 2,000 Muslims were killed. "India's National Human Rights Commission, an official body, as well as numerous domestic and international human rights investigators, found evidence of complicity in the attacks by officials of the Gujarat state government, headed then and still by State Minister Modi." In the months following the violence, the Modi government in Gujarat "was widely accused in India of being reluctant to bring the perpetrators of the killings of Muslims to justice," the USCIRF notes, adding, "In response to the alleged failures of the Gujarat government, India's Supreme Court declared in October 2003 that it had "no faith left" in the state's handling of the investigations and instructed the Gujarat state government to appoint new prosecutors to examine the religious violence of 2002." Following that, "In April 2004, in what was seen as an additional indictment of Modi's Gujarat government, the Supreme Court stepped in once more and ordered a transfer of a trial of perpetrators to a neighboring state," it adds. "At a time when the newly elected Indian government and courts have initiated a number of actions to address the tragic Gujarat massacres in which Gujarat state officials were found by India's own investigative bodies to be complicit, the Commission has been concerned that Modi's private visit will only serve inappropriately to give a platform in the United States to someone who has been implicated in grave violations of religious freedom," said Bansal.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 11:55 AM
Why Preeta Bansal doesn’t see ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangla Desh? Why atrocity against Seer is no concern to her? Every day murder of Hindus in Kerala and AP is no concern. http://www.pluralism.org/events/interfaculty/guestbios/bansal.php http://www.imc-usa.org/cgi-bin/cfm/PressRelease.cfm?PRID=52
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Dr. Ubaid pointed out that Indians in the United States are worried about the increasing influence of extremist Hindutva groups. “The Hindutva groups are following a two-pronged approach in implementing their divisive and hate-based agenda. On the one hand, they are systematically destroying India’s pluralistic and tolerant ethos by targeting minorities, and on the other hand they are infiltrating institutions in the United States to whitewash these crimes and stifle international criticism,” he said
Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 19 2005, 12:20 PM
It is good to recapture the effort of similar organizations during advani ji's visit. I'm compiling a list of these organizations and the contacts. Many of these organizations are one man show, some time one many is starting multiple organizations (seva international, vaishnava center for enlightenment, india unity group ....more all trace to shri kumar poddar and address in east lansing michigan) some times one organization is an umbrella of other orgazations and this is part of other umbrella.... and so on (building bridges is one such one, many more) but they list each organization separately some organizations have seemingly secular name institute for policy and research--- our and out christian organization some times the religion name is left out-- justice and peace commision is actually catholic justice and peace commission. ALso please see that CSDI uses IRPP address and was started to for this purpose of blocking advani ji's visit. Now for modi it is CAG,... more analysis to come. ----------------------------------------------------- Letter to President Bush on Visit of Indian Prime Minister L.K. Advani Washington, DC, June 12, 2003 Coalition to Support Democracy and Pluralism in India C/O 110 Maryland Ave, NE Suite 510 Washington DC 20002 Phone: 202 547 4700 Fax: 202 547 6228 June 9, 2003 TO: The President, The Vice- President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Secretary of Homeland Security, The Attorney General, The National Security Advisor, Congressional Leaders FOR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION We, the undersigned belonging to various organizations, including those representing Americans of Indian origin are writing to you about your possible meeting with the visiting Deputy Prime Minister of India Mr. L.K. Advani, today. Mr. Advani has indicated that he intends to discuss, how India and the United States can co-operate to fight global terrorism. We welcome such cooperation. Terrorism has become a global menace, necessitating coordination across countries. We also believe India and the U.S. should come together to promote trade and strategic partnership. However, we are not comfortable with the fact that such discussions should take place with people like Mr. Advani. His actions in the past and currently undermine the American interests and values:  He has been held directly responsible for criminal activities against religious minorities and gross violations of human rights. India's lead intelligence agency, the Central Bureau of Investigations (CBI) has filed criminal charges against Mr. Advani as recently as last week for masterminding the religious riots.  His actions have undermined the global war on terror by encouraging religious extremism in India which in turn fuels the religious extremism in Pakistan. His positions and rhetoric are causing more damage in South Asia.  His religious politics is causing uncertainties and unrest in India which is bad for business. It also damages economic stability besides causing strains in U.S.-India trade. CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS Since late 1980s, Mr. Advani has succeeded in spreading hatred against India’s religious minority communities, particularly Christian and Muslim populations. He has organized numerous rallies across India that have led to violent riots, thousands of deaths, and the illegal destruction of private, commercial and religious property. The most flagrant instance occurred in December 1992, when the 16th century Babri mosque was demolished in Ayodhya, India by several thousand extremist Hindu ‘volunteers’ belonging to the BJP and its sister organizations, under the guidance of Mr. Advani. The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), filed several charges against Mr. Advani in connection with this incident. These activities have also been highlighted by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF). The May 2003 USCIRF report refers to BJP capitalizing on the religious intolerance and hatred against minorities for electoral gains. Under Mr. Advani’s leadership, the Ministry of Home Affairs has consistently refused to take action against Hindu extremists who have been responsible for destroying Christian churches, schools and hospitals, and for killing pastors and raping nuns. He has similarly protected the perpetrators of organized large scale violence against the Muslim community. Mr. Advani has used the influence of his office to scuttle many official inquiries into these acts of violence, and has even made public statements declaring the accused as innocent. The Government is now dragging its feet in investigating the riots against the Muslim minority in Gujarat in February-March 2002 which resulted in over 2000 Muslim deaths. It is shocking to note that Mr. Advani and other BJP members have publicly lauded Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, who has been indicted by a range of Indian and international human rights groups of conniving with and supporting the mobs who attacked the religious minorities in Gujarat. CREATING INSTABILITY AND UNDERMINING WAR ON TERROR We urge you to seriously consider whether Mr. Advani and the BJP are trustworthy allies in the war on terrorism. Mr. Advani's actions have directly made the Indian subcontinent more unstable. He has polarized religious communities within India, leading to religious violence among different religious communities. Hindu fundamentalism promoted by his party has encouraged greater Islamic militancy in South Asia, further destabilizing the Indian subcontinent undermining the war on terrorism globally. This should be of utmost concern for the U.S., particularly given Pakistan's past history and its direct/indirect involvement in Kashmir. The US support to BJP leaders and its government would be considered very short sighted and has the potential to cause long term damage to the progress and partnerships. We urge the United States to reconsider its support to a religious fundamentalist party such as BJP which will cause permanent damage to the civil society in India. HURTING BUSINESS AND U.S. – INDIA TRADE Mr. Advani’s religious politics is not creating a suitable environment for growth in business. As India has become a vital hub in industries such as software and outsourcing, increasing instability and unrest in the society could undermine the ability of US companies for doing business there. We would respectfully ask the US Government to strongly address with Mr. Advani the abovementioned areas of concern. We request that Mr. Advani be asked: 1. To take full cognizance of the USCIRF report of May 1, 2003. 2. What the Government of India, and the office of the Deputy Prime Minister in particular, is doing to counteract the prevailing climate of hostility against religious minorities in many parts of India. 3. What specific steps have been taken and how many people have been prosecuted for the carnage against minorities in Gujarat, and what steps have been taken to protect these minorities from continuing attacks by BJP’s political affiliates. 4. Whether US-based contributions to Hindu fundamentalist groups in India are being monitored as closely as overseas funds received by Christian and Muslim institutions. It is well documented that funds raised by some groups in the US are being used to strengthen Hindu extremist groups in India that have committed violence against religious minorities. It is our belief that the friendship, generous support and goodwill being extended to India by our Government and the people of the United States should not be allowed to be misused by the extremist Hindus among the leadership in the Indian Government. Your attention and understanding of this matter is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Partial list of signatory organizations and offices: Ambedkar Memorial Trust Association of Indian Muslims of America, The (AIM) Ahsan Jafri Foundation Bharatiya Educational Foundation, Educational Subscription Service, Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC) Federation of Indian American Christian Organizations of North America (FIAOCONA), Federation of Indian Christians (Chicago) India Development Society, India Foundation, India Unity Group, Indian American Catholic Association (IACA) Indian Catholic Society of Baltimore Indian Christian Forum, New York ICF(NY), Indian Muslim Council (IMC), Institute on Religion and Public Policy (IRPP) International Service Society, Justice and Peace Commission M.K.Gandhi Institute for Non-Violence, Memphis, TN SE Ministries International, Inc. Seva International, South Asia Forum, St.Thomas Syro-Malabar Catholic Diocese of Chicago Vaishnava Center for Enlightenment, MI.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 12:44 PM
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Anti-US wrath Sporadic incidents of violence in Ahmedabad and Surat and protests at all district centres in Gujarat marked the reaction to the denial of an American visa to Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Saturday. While godowns of prominent American soft drink companies were targeted by Bajrang Dal volunteers in Surat, VHP workers smashed the signboard of the visa felicitation Centre in Ahmedabad even as BJP workers burnt the American flag at the income-tax crossroad while shouting slogans against President George W Bush. Dal volunteers attacked the Pepsi and Coca Cola godowns on Varachha Road in Surat and smashed cold drink bottles before they were chased away by the police. The loss has been estimated at Rs 80,000. In Ahmedabad, the visa facilitation centre was targeted but with the police out in strength as a precautionary measure and the centre being closed for the weekend, there was not much damage. No arrests have been made so far. Meanwhile, as part of the Statewide programme, protest demonstrations were held at all district headquarters in the State. Protesting BJP workers presented a memorandum to the district collector castigating the American Government for denying a visa to a duly elected constitutional entity of the State. A swabhiman rally has been planned in Ahmedabad on Sunday wherein BJP president L K Advani, NDA convenor George Fernandes and other BJP leaders as well as Chief Ministers of BJP-ruled States are slated to attend.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 12:48 PM
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Has US not Modi-fied the law? Kanchan Gupta/ New Delhi The US State Department's claim that its decision to deny Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi entry into US because he does "not qualify for a visa under Section 212(a)(2)(G) of the US Immigration and Nationality Act which prohibits the admission to the US of any foreign Government official responsible for serious violations of religion freedom" hides more than it reveals. The specific section of the Immigration and Nationality Act that has been cited actually says: "Any alien who, while serving as a foreign Government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time during the preceding 24-month period, particularly severe violations of religious freedom, as defined in Section 3 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, and the spouse and children, if any, are inadmissible." Even if Mr Modi were to be guilty as charged by the US, American law does not debar him from securing a visa because more than 24 months have lapsed since the Godhra massacre and subsequent riots in Gujarat which occurred during the last days of February and early March 2002. In any event, Mr Modi has neither been charged with nor found guilty of being "responsible for or (having) directly carried out particularly severe violations of religious freedom" by any court of law in India. The Justices Nanavati-Shah Commission of Inquiry is yet to submit its report. Earlier in the day, PTI quoted State Department deputy spokesman Adam Ereli as saying that the US had taken cognisance of the NHRC report on Gujarat riots in making the case for denial. "It's a matter of US responding to NHRC finding pointing to a comprehensive failure of the Gujarat Government to control persistent violations of rights," Mr Ereli said. "It was the Indians who investigated the riots and it was the Indian Government who determined that State institutions failed to act in a way that would prevent violence and would prevent religious persecution," he said. He added, US officials made two determinations based on the NHRC's findings. "Number one, we determined that (on) an application for a diplomatic visa to come to the US, the terms for issuing that visa under US law had not been met, so we decided not to issue the visa, based on US law and based on findings of fact by the Indian NHRC. Number two, we determined that an existing visa that Mr Modi had - an existing tourist/ business visa - should be revoked under Section 212(a)(2)(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act." Asked why the existing visa, which was cancelled, was given in the first place, Mr Ereli said it was granted to Modi "before the events of 2002 (Gujarat riots); that is my understanding." On its part, the NHRC has refused to comment on the issue. In any case, NHRC reports are not legally binding. Its reports on countries promoting cross-border terrorism that violates human rights of Indians have been ignored by the US State Department. Findings of NGOs are not beyond judicial scrutiny (one NGO has been found to have passed off printed pamphlets as "signed affidavits") and wild allegations by groups and individuals based in the US cannot be the substitute for truth. For instance, one of the highlights of the "Stop Modi" campaign in the US is his alleged partiality towards Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. As evidence, stray sentences from a school textbook used in Gujarat have been cited. The fact, on the other hand, is that the book was prepared, published and enlisted as a prescribed textbook in 1992 when neither Mr Modi nor the BJP was anywhere near power in Gujarat which was then ruled by the Congress. Mr Modi, on becoming Chief Minister, had this particular textbook removed from the list of prescribed schoolbooks. Rather Goebbelsian, this dumb charade against Mr Modi.
Lie thousand times and change into truth. Liar i think in every religion are called SINNER.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 12:50 PM
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US treats India as pushover Regardless of how the UPA Government in New Delhi actually perceives him, it is reassuring that the Ministry of External Affairs has made all the right noises in protesting against the US Administration's denial of a visa to Narendra Modi. The Gujarat Chief Minister may not be everyone's cup of tea, but, he is the democratically elected, constitutional functionary of a major Indian State. Consequently, declaring him persona non grata in the US on the strength of an abhorrence of his Government's political record is unquestionably an affront to Indian sovereignty. Modi was not being facetious when he compared the action to a possible denial of an Indian visa to a US Government functionary for the violation of human rights by the multinational force in Iraq. Of course, the US Government has a complete and unfettered right to determine who can and who cannot visit its shores. That is the prerogative of all sovereign nation-states. Each year, thousands of Indian students are routinely denied visas to pursue higher studies in the US on the basis of very subjective risk assessments by the consular staff. Some of these decisions are patently unfair but we cannot deny the US Government's right to pick and choose its visitors and potential immigrants. Modi, however, does not fall into this category. The US, it can be safely said, has nothing personal against him. Not very long ago he had toured the US extensively as part of its distinguished visitors programme. In 2003, after becoming Chief Minister, he visited the UK and earlier this year, he was hosted by Australia. Yes, during his London visit, some over-zealous Left-wing activists did try to have him arrested, but the Bow Street Magistrates court threw out the plea. His US visit may have been marked by demonstrations and protests. However, that is an occupational hazard of all controversial politicians - Indian, Israeli and Irish. The US did not prevent Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams from being hosted by Irish-Americans at last week's€ St Patrick's Day celebrations. And Adams, it would be fair to say, isn't exactly a shining epitome of religious freedom. The US is being patently disingenuous when it argues that Modi has been kept out because he has fallen foul of the International Religious Freedom Act, 1998. It is patently obvious that for the US the definition of religious intolerance is based on political expediency. It is unlikely that the opulent financers of Wahabi Islam in Saudi Arabia or the fire-breathing Christian evangelists, the bulk of whom support President George W Bush, will fall foul of the Act. Nor will the more extreme Zionists in Israel. That is because all these groups have either considerable domestic clout in the US or enjoy a strategic importance in the State Department. For the US, religious freedom is not an absolute ethical imperative; it is a foreign policy lever. The Gujarati hoteliers have lost out not because they personify UN-American tendencies. You couldn't, after all, get a more law-abiding and industrious ethnic group in the US. They have been singled out for opprobrium because, for whatever reason, they do not have the requisite political clout. The Modi affair sums up the predicament of the entire Indian-American predicament. Here is a community of more than a million that equals the per capita income of American Jews but which lacks any significant political influence. This is not because the community does not want to get involved but because it lacks articulate voices. Those Indian-Americans like Bobby Jindal who have made a mark have done so as individuals, not as representatives of a vibrant ethnic group. Yet others, mainly academics, mirror the ant-Hindu self-flagellation of India's own secularists. Consequently, confronted by pressure from influential Christian evangelists who have been made unwelcome in Gujarat, the US political establishment made Modi the fall guy. The US hasn't insulted Modi. It has signalled that Indians are a pushover.
Posted by: acharya Mar 19 2005, 12:54 PM
''The American action is an insult to India's 100 crore citizens and also global democracy. The US, which infringes on human rights across the world, has no right to speak of these very rights,'' state Congress Minorities Cell Vice-Chairman Akhtar Baig said in a statement. Such statement will change the perspective completely with the US public and they will wonder what happened.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 01:09 PM
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state Congress Minorities Cell Vice-Chairman Akhtar Baig said in a statement
Which state?
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Modi's village invokes divine power PRAMOD PANWAR TIMES NEWS NETWORK "An insult to Modi is an insult to Vadnagar. We cannot take it lying down. But, we are simple village folk and it is through fast and the strength of our prayers that we can send a strong message to the US," says Bhadresh Rabari, chairman of the standing committee of Vadnagar Nagarpalika. So, people thronged the Ranchhodji temple on Saturday morning. "We are praying that God gives the Americans some wisdom," adds Rabari. If mornings are for prayers, villagers have decided to hold bhajan sessions every evening. "Every evening, the whole village will join the bhajan from 7.30 pm that will go on till late in the night," said Trivedi. "The Friday namaaz was special as we prayed that good sense prevails among the Americans and Modi is given the visa. We will continue with our peaceful protests till he is given the visa," says Hamat Khan, a village youth. "We are also planning to write letters to President Bush. We will flood him with letters, making our displeasure clear. All villagers have been asked to send letters to the US President and those who can write English have been told to draft them. We hope this makes an impact," says Jasubhai Patel.
Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 19 2005, 01:32 PM
Not directly related to Modi ji's visit. But shows connection between kleft and christian church (in UK) Don't hand religion to the Right By Giles Fraser and William Whyte In the United Kingdom, the secular Left must stop sniping and realise it has Christian allies. FOR DECADES, the political class in the United Kingdom has prided itself on the absence of religious culture wars. The obsession with abortion, gay marriage and obscenity, the alliance between the secular and religious Right — these are peculiarly American pathologies. It could not happen in Britain. Except it does seem to be happening here too. In making abortion an election issue, the Conservative Opposition leader, Michael Howard, has prompted the Archbishop of Westminster, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, pointedly to warn against assuming "that Catholics would be more in support of the Labour party." Elsewhere, the Christian Right targets the BBC, and the Church of England is being colonised by homophobic evangelicals with broad smiles and loads of PR savvy. In contrast, the Left continues to push religion away. They "don't do God," according to one former spin-doctor. Even those politicians of the Left who "do God" privately have to be effectively outed, as the Education Secretary, Ruth Kelly, was over her membership of Opus Dei. It never used to be like this. There has long been an affinity between the Church and the Left. The Liberal party was sustained by the so-called non-conformist conscience and the Labour party famously derived more from Methodism than Marx — Keir Hardie once describing socialism as "the embodiment of Christianity in our industrial system." Later both CND and the anti-apartheid movement were inspired by Christian socialism. Even comparatively recently, things were looking up for the religious Left. Tony Blair is a member of the Christian socialist movement and in Rowan Williams the Church of England has a self-confessed "bearded lefty" at the top. Yet instead of a renaissance there has been a decline. The Archbishop of Canterbury is now a virtual prisoner of the religious Right. And Labour Christians seem silent and impotent. How did it come to this?In the first place, the religious Left has found itself constantly challenged by the secular Left. Whilst the religious Right and neo-conservatives have worked together, the progressives have split and split again. Mr. Blair is too embarrassed to talk the language of faith because he knows it would alienate his allies. Some object to religion on principle. Others insist that a Christian response is inevitably intolerant, exclusive, even racist. So Left secularists welcomed the Jubilee 2000 third world debt cancellation campaign but ignored the fact that the Jubilee is a biblical concept. But progressive Christians also seem incapable of confronting the religious Right on its own terms. The irony is that the religious Right and the secular Left have effectively joined forces to promote the idea that the Bible is reactionary. For the secular Left, the more the Bible can be described in this way, the easier it is to rubbish. Thus the religious Right is free to claim a monopoly on Christianity. And the Christian Left, hounded from both sides, finds itself shouted into silence. Does this matter? Well, yes. Religion is not going away; if anything, it is making a comeback. Nearly three-quarters of the U.K. population declared themselves Christian in the 2001 census. The old belief that religion would wither and die has been exposed as simplistic. In this environment, the secular Left needs to suspend worn-out hostilities and realise that many people of faith are fellow travellers in the fight for social justice. Otherwise, the coalition of Christian and secular conservatives will grow stronger. That will further damage the church, turning it into an intolerant sect. But it will also undermine progressive politics. All of which requires a new courage from the Christian Left. They need to toughen up, get organised and invoke the spirit of millions of Christians, from St. Francis to Donald Soper, who have fought against injustice throughout the ages. The present situation also demands a reassessment by the secular Left of the religious Left. Because only the religious Left is capable of challenging the religious Right with the language of faith. The secular Left, in short, needs to stop sniping and start making new friends. In America, the Christian Right and the neocons have grown strong by working together. Now so must the British. (Dr. Giles Fraser is the vicar of Putney in southwest London; Dr. William Whyte is Fellow in History at St. John's College at Oxford University.) http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=418859
Posted by: Viren Mar 19 2005, 01:47 PM
Text of the Prime Minister's statement in the Rajya Sabha on the US denial of visa to the Gujarat Chief Minister. http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050319&fname=modi&sid=1
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I share the concern that has been expressed in this matter on all sides of the House. When I came to know of the denial of visa to Shri Modi, yesterday, I immediately instructed our external affairs minister to call the US ambassador and explain to them that we are greatly concerned and we greatly regret the decision that has been taken by the United States government. The government has taken note of developments arising from the decision of the government of the United States of America to deny the request of the Chief Minister of Gujarat , Shri Narendra Modi, for a government visa. The government is also greatly concerned by the further decision of the United States to revoke other categories of visas already issued to Shri Modi. Hon. Members of this August house would be aware of the fact that our foreign secretary , yesterday summoned the deputy chief of the U.S. mission in New Delhi to convey strong demarche on the decision of the U.S. government . Our government has clearly pointed out our very deep concern and regret over the U.S. decision to deny a visa to a constitutionally elected Chief Minister of a state of our union. We have observed that this uncalled for decision betrays a lack of sensitivity and due courtesy to an elected authority. The U.S. government has been clearly told of our concern at this development. We have also called for the urgent re-consideration of this decision by the United States government. The American government has also been clearly informed that while we respect their sovereign right to grant or refuse visas to any person, we do not believe that it is appropriate to use allegations or anything less than due process to make a subjective judgment to question a constitutional authority in India. We agree that this is not a matter of partisan politics, but rather a matter of concern over a point of principle. I think , the government’s prompt and firm response clearly shows our principled stand in this matter.
Posted by: acharya Mar 19 2005, 01:56 PM
Another one "The Friday namaaz was special as we prayed that good sense prevails among the Americans and Modi is given the visa. We will continue with our peaceful protests till he is given the visa," says Hamat Khan, a village youth.
Posted by: Viren Mar 19 2005, 02:10 PM
And guess who folded faster than a $3 suit-case dry.gif http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/20modi.htm
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Asian American Hotel Owners Association in the United States has decided to cancel invitation to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi following the decision of the Bush administration to deny him visa to travel to the country. This was stated by Mike Patel, founder chairman of the association and advisor on minorities to the US President George W Bush while talking to PTI over the phone from America on Saturday night. Patel said Gujaratis settled in USA have decided to stand by the decision of the US administration on the visa issue. He said, "We support the decision of the American government on this issue''. Patel pleaded with Modi to expedite the process of justice for the riot victims in the state and should help in removing whatever obstacles come in the way of giving speedy justice. (Err..thought that was Laloo's job) He said Modi should try to sort out all the problems and issues as early as possible. He also pleaded with the people of Gujarat not to boycott the goods of American companies because lot of Gujaratis are also settled in America and many are in queue for getting visas to US. Modi was scheduled to address the AAHOA in Fort Lauderada, Florida, during his five-day visit to US.
Posted by: acharya Mar 19 2005, 02:13 PM
When Coke and Pepsi is attcked this is what happens Keep the US business seperate from this in India and this can go on forever
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 02:28 PM
Main problem with India is State of West Bengal. Commies are churning out anti -Indians and traitors on minute basis. Whole generation is brain washed with no attachment to its long history. I don’t see anyone can change lost generation of West Bengal. We will see more problem on every issues from all these Roys, Chatterjies, Banerjies, Bose and others etc.
Posted by: acharya Mar 19 2005, 02:41 PM
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state Congress Minorities Cell Vice-Chairman Akhtar Baig said in a statement
Which state?
It is MP state. read the TOI article
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 02:55 PM
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Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 02:59 PM
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/mar202005/i10.asp
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DH NEWS SERVICE LONDON: London civil rights activists are lobbying the British government to withdraw a UK visa for Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi who is expected here on a three-day visit at the end of next week. The campaign to revoke his UK visa follows the American State Department’s decision last Friday to ban him from the US because of his alleged role in abetting the 2002 Gujarat riots. New Delhi has described the US decision as “uncalled for” and lacking in courtesy and sensitivity, but Mr Modi’s critics in India and other parts of the world are delighted at the new opportunity that has been provided to hold him accountable for the tragic events of 2002. In London, Mr Modi is being billed the chief guest at the Gujarat Festival, a musical extravaganza at the British capital’s prestigious Albert Hall, for which 5,500 tickets priced at between £ 5 and £ 50 have been sold out. Some 70 UK and India-based performers, including Harish Bhimani, Sandeep Raval, Trilok Gurtu and Praful Dave, are expected to perform at the festival which has so far cost organisers from the London-based Asian Music Circuit more than £ 1,20,000. Although Gujarat music and culture are the reasons for the sell-out event, Mr Modi’s presence is another reason why Gujaratis are expected to flock to the Albert Hall to express their solidarity with their controversial chief minister. Opposition to Mr Modi’s visit is being spearheaded by Suresh Grover of the UK National Civil Rights Movement, who said if the chief minister is allowed into the UK, he will apply for an arrest warrant against him. “I was told he was speaking at the Royal Albert Hall. The issue is that he is very likely to be coming here,” Mr Grover said. “We are going to make representations to the British parliament not to allow him here. If he is allowed here, we will take court action for a warrant of arrest to be issued against him.” ..................... “People are not very pleased at the US decision because at least the right of travel should be maintained,” he said. “What will happen if India decides tomorrow to refuse a visa to Bush because of whatever he has done in Iraq,” he asks.
Posted by: k.ram Mar 19 2005, 03:24 PM
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March 19, 2005 <>For more information contact: Dr. Ashwini Rao: ash@insaf.net Ms. Sapna Gupta: sapna_m_g@yahoo.com AN OPEN LETTER TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA <>Shri Manmohan Singh Prime Minister Government of India South Block, Raisina Hill, New Delhi - 110 011 Dear Prime Minister, We at the Coalition Against Genocide, representing a wide spectrum of over 35 organizations representing thousands of NRIs, urge you to not contest the U.S. State's denial of a diplomatic visa to Mr. Narendra Modi and the cancellation of his existing tourist/business visa. CAG considers the denial of visa to Mr. Modi as a clear victory for all Indians and for supporters of human rights and justice in the U.S. and in India. Claims made by Mr. Modi and the Sangh Parivar that this represents an "insult to India and the [Indian] Constitution" are laughable, coming as it does from people who have stained the Indian constitution with the blood of thousands of its citizens. Given that your government had recommended to the American embassy that Mr. Modi be given a multi-entry visa, we can understand your discomfiture at the new turn of events. However, we urge you to look at this not through a nationalistic lens or as a violation of protocol, but to consider the larger issues involved. The complicity of Mr. Modi's government in the February-March 2002 Gujarat pogrom is now public knowledge. Not only was Mr. Modi delinquent in his duties as Chief Minister of Gujarat, but he also effectively de-mobilized the state apparatus and gave a free hand to his ideological brethren (from the Sangh Parivar) to carry out the killings. This has been affirmed by numerous national and international civil rights organizations and women's groups. It is also known that Mr. Modi unleashed a virulent campaign against Muslims even after the pogroms and particularly during the campaigning for the December 2002 assembly elections. That the Sangh Parivar's campaign of hate contributed to a stark polarization of the Gujarati civil society along communal lines and eventually resulted in Mr. Modi's electoral victory is also well accepted. (We will be glad to share with you video footage of the divisive ideology of the Sangh at work before the December 2002 assembly elections.) One newspaper aptly called Mr. Modi's victory a "harvest of hatred." In short, we assert that while accepting that Mr. Modi was elected to power, we also need to remind ourselves of the willful flouting of constitutional and election commission norms in the run up to the assembly elections, the circumstances under which the elections were held, and the human costs of Mr. Modi's electoral victory. The issue is not simply of Mr. Modi's devious rise to power. After storming back to power in December 2002, his government has played an active role in shielding the culprits and harassing the survivors, witnesses and social justice groups. In a scathing indictment of Mr. Modi, the Indian Supreme Court pronounced: "The modern day Neros (a reference to the Gujarat Government) were looking elsewhere when Best Bakery and innocent children and women were burning, and were probably deliberating how the perpetrators of the crime can be saved or protected." The Supreme Court also castigated the Gujarat government for shielding the guilty and ordered the re-opening of 2,000-odd riot cases that had been closed in a hurry. Perceiving danger to the victims and witnesses, the Court -- in an unprecedented move - also shifted some cases outside Gujarat. The Supreme Court's not-so-implicit message was that Mr. Modi cannot be relied upon to discharge his duties. Mr. Modi has time and again revealed his utter incapability for discharging his constitutional duties, but that hasn't stopped him from loudly proclaiming his constitutional rights as head of state. We aren't the least bit surprised at Mr. Modi's reaction to his visa snub, but we're appalled that the Indian government has lodged a strong protest to the American embassy and asked for an "urgent reconsideration." At this moment, we urge you to think of the valiant struggle for justice waged by the pogrom survivors and human rights activists in Gujarat, and the constant harassment they have faced from Mr. Modi's government and his swayamsevak friends. Mr. Modi's criminal conduct in India ought to have been the real basis for censure and legal redress. It is unfortunate that the issue had to come down to the U.S. revoking his visa, when the UPA government itself should have acted against Mr. Modi's criminal misrule after it came to power on behalf of the Indian people almost a full year ago. In keeping with your common minimum program, we urge you to take immediate action to ensure speedy justice for the victims of the Gujarat pogrom, and bring the perpetrators to book. We also urge you to curtail the fund-raising activities in the US of hate groups such as the one Mr. Modi belongs to. On our part, we hope to build on the long tradition of human rights activism in India and the U.S. particularly the awe-inspiring legacies of Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and seek to continue working towards a truly secular and harmonious India - a country without hatred, where people are not persecuted because of their faith or political beliefs, but where (in the immortal words of the great Rabindranath Tagore) the mind is without fear and the head held high. Yours Sincerely, <>Mr. George Abraham, Non Resident Indians for a Secular and Harmonious India Dr. Angana Chatterji, Professor of Anthropology, California Institute of Integral Studies, San Francisco Ms. Sapna Gupta, South Asian Progressive Action Collective Dr. Ashwini Rao, Campaign to Stop Funding Hate Dr. Shaik Ubaid, Indian Muslim Council Dr. Usha Zacharias, Professor of Communications, Westfield State College, Massachusetts
Posted by: k.ram Mar 19 2005, 03:25 PM
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! Call to Action ! Send e-mails, faxes and letters to U.S. Lawmakers Please act on this and circulate widely. Either fax a letter or leave e-mail message. Sample letter and fax number of Condoleezza Rice is enclosed. Link to state department to leave e-mail message is also enclosed. Thank you. ===================================================== March 19, 2005 Dear Friends: In order to make any meaningful impact on the U.S. Government so that it would reconsider its decision and prevent recurrence of such insult to India in future, we need to flood, as soon as possible, the mail box of Dr. Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State with faxes and emails. We need at least 200,000 emails/faxes protesting this decision. The e-mail/fax should include only the following points. * Mr. Narendra Modi is a democratically elected head of the Gujarat state in India * He is not even charged, let alone be convicted of any crimes in any court * In USA the person is innocent until proven guilty in court Dr Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State: Fax # 202-647-2283 E-mail: Go to http://contact-us.state.gov/ask_form_cat/ask_form_secretary.html and follow simple instructions. Leave your name, telephone number and e-mail address. ===================================================== A sample letter could be like this: Dr. Condoleeza Rice Secretary of State, United States Government Washington, D.C. RE: Denial of Diplomatic Visa and Revocation of Visitor's Visa for the Honorable Chief Minister of Gujarat, Mr. Narendra Modi Dear Dr. Rice: As a person of Indian origin, I am shocked and deeply disturbed by U.S. Government's denial of diplomatic visa to, and revocation of existing business/tourist visa of Mr. Narendra Modi, Hon. Chief Minister of State of Gujarat, India. Mr. Modi is the Chief minister of a state with 60 million people who has been elected with thumping majority in a democratic election, which was observed by U.S. observers along with observers from other countries. Mr. Modi has been denied diplomatic visa on the basis of section 212 (a)(2)(G) which 'requires to find the applicant ineligible for admission to the United States any foreign government official who has at any time been responsible for a particularly serious violation of another's religious freedom'. I must bring to your attention that Mr. Modi has not even been charged by any court of law anywhere in the world, let alone be tried and convicted. In America, we have a tradition of not acting on just 'wild accusations' but only on hard facts, and 'innocent until proven guilty in court', for our proper course of action on any matter. Therefore to do justice to two million strong Indian community in the USA, I request you to reverse the decision regarding Mr. Modi's visa and assure the Indian community of fairness and justice, now and in the future, under your leadership at the State Department. Thank you, Your Name phone number
Posted by: acharya Mar 19 2005, 06:00 PM
Visa issue: US 'assessing' India's request The US is assessing India's request for reconsideration of the decision to deny a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. "The request has been forwarded to the State Department. It is being assessed," said David Kennedy, spokesperson of the US Embassy in New Delhi. The United States had revoked Modi's visa on grounds that he had used his position in the government to violate religious freedom. Modi, who was scheduled to go to the US this Sunday to attend a conference, was also denied a diplomatic visa. Strong reaction Earlier today, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh reacted strongly to the denial of the visa to Modi, saying it was an "uncalled for decision" which "lacked sensitivity." He said the United States cannot take a subjective decision to revoke and not issue Modi a visa on the basis of mere allegations. "We do not believe it is appropriate to use allegations or anything less than a due process of law to make a subjective judgment to question a constitutional authority in India," he said. In a clear reference to the known anti-Modi stand of the Congress, Singh also said the matter was one of principle, not partisan politics. "It is not a matter of partisan politics, it is a matter of principles. The government of India's immediate and urgent response equally shows our principled stand in this matter," he told the Rajya Sabha. BJP stand The BJP too passed a strong resolution condemning the US action, saying it should have sought clarifications from the Indian political establishment before such a move. "It is a diplomatic discourtesy of the highest order," said BJP leader Yashwant Sinha. "If the US authorities knew they were going to take this step they should have had the courtesy to inform the Indian authorities," he added. Bilateral ties Even as the US Embassy in the capital has said the Centre's request will be reassessed, former diplomats believe that denying Modi a visa could dent Indo-US relations. "In the short term it will be a blow to Indo-US relations if the US doesn't consider a review of its decision," said former Foreign Secretary Shashank. Violent lashback Meanwhile, in Modi's home turf Ahmedabad, several incidents of violence have been reported with his supporters attacking the American visa application centre. The protestors tore down display boards, burnt flags, smashed Coke and Pepsi bottles, and blocked traffic. Elsewhere in the state, properties linked to American MNCs like Pepsi and Coke were also targeted. With the exception of some voices in the Gujarat Congress and BJP, everyone appears to be rallying around Modi. This has not only given him a breather from the growing opposition within his party, but has also forced the Congress to support a man they have targetted since the Gujarat riots.
Posted by: acharya Mar 19 2005, 06:02 PM
Christians 'pleased' at denial of visa to Modi Press Trust Of India Posted online: Saturday, March 19, 2005 Washington, March 19: The Federation of Indian American Christian Organizations of North America (FIACONA) has said that it is "pleased" at the US government's decision of denying a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. In a statement the FIACONA said that the US State Department has made a "strong and right" decision on the issue of denying a visa to Modi. "This action by the US administration is a recognition of Modi's involvement in February 2002 killings and his continued policies of harassment of religious minorities in Gujarat," the statement said. John Prabhudoss, the Chairman of the Governmental Affairs Committee of FIACONA, said, "I applaud the decision of the State Department and I thank the US Congress for standing with us in the effort." "Those who invited Modi to honour him in the US has done so in total neglect for the pain and suffering he has caused to hundreds of thousands of people in Gujarat and elsewhere," he said. The National President of FIACONA, Rev. Bernard Malik said, "The pain and suffering of the people in Gujarat caused by Modi directly and indirectly have been taken note by the international community. In the free world one should not be allowed to get away with such brutal abuse of state power against vulnerable innocent people." The national vice president, Abraham Mammen, thanked those members of Parliament in India and those members of US Congress who had supported strongly in this effort. http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=43534
Posted by: acharya Mar 19 2005, 06:04 PM
US interference in hindu affairs:' human rights' bandwagon is a camouflage for proselytization ADVERTISEMENT Appended below are some excerpts from the US Dept. of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor. Through these reports referred to as "Country Reports on Human Rights Practices" and " International Religious Freedom Report for 2004, United States Dept. of State and US Congress blatantly interfere in the internal affairs of other soveign states. Included in the excerpts is the statement conceding recent, direct US interference in the affairs of Tamilnadu: "U.S. officials have continued to engage state officials on the implementation and reversal of anti-conversion laws." Is it mere coincidence that Sankararaman arose immediately thereafter? If Hindustan waffles in regard to the interference by US government in hindu affairs, and does not take a cue from the firm stand that China takes on such interference by Uncle Sam, the country will be in for more Benny Hinn shows and more attacks on Hindu institutions of the type which occurred following the repeal of the anti-conversion law in Tamilnadu. It is for all Hindus to take a stand on the issue and affirm that religious freedoms are not the prerogative of Uncle Sam and Uncle Sam has no business to assume the role of world cop for such dubious freedoms, used as a smokescreen to promote proselytization activities. It is clear that US government is openly and actively promoting proselytization using 'human rights' bandwagon as a camouflage. Dhanyavaadah. K. http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/index.htm This webpage is maintained by Dept. of State, USA, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor. On February 28, 2005, Under Secretary for Global Affairs Paula Dobriansky held an On-the-Record briefing to announce the release of the 2004 Human Rights Reports. Acting Assistant Secretary for Democracy Human Rights and Labor Michael Kozak also gave remarks and answered questions. The report entitled "Country Reports on Human Rights Practices" is submitted to the Congress by the Department of State in compliance with sections 116(d) and 502B(b) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (FAA), as amended, and section 504 of the Trade Act of 1974, as amended. The International Religious Freedom Report for 2004 was released on September 15, 2004. http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/c12797.htm The International Religious Freedom Report for 2004 is submitted to the Congress by the Department of State in compliance with Section 102(b) of the International Religious Freedom Act (IRFA) of 1998. The law provides that the Secretary of State shall transmit to Congress each year "an Annual Report on International Religious Freedom supplementing the most recent Human Rights Reports by providing additional detailed information with respect to matters involving international religious freedom." This Annual Report includes individual country chapters on the status of religious freedom worldwide. Anti-conversion laws have been in effect in Madhya Pradesh and Orissa since the 1960s, and laws against forcible conversions exist also in Andhra Pradesh and Arunachal Pradesh. In 2002-03 the states of Tamil Nadu and Gujarat passed "anti-conversion" laws, and after facilitating the passage of the law in Tamil Nadu, the Chief Minister threatened to visit Kerala to press for a similar law there. Under both laws, those "forcing" or "alluring" individuals to convert are subject to criminal action. However, the Gujarat state government did not promulgate the rules and regulations necessary for implementation until May. As of the end of the period covered by this report, the law had not yet been used. In September 2003, the National Commission for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes proposed legislation to regulate forcible conversion. Under the proposed law, those wishing to convert to a new faith must request permission from a local government authority. A proposal to introduce a national anti-conversion law lapsed in 2002, and the new UPA Government has not promoted such a law. During the period covered by this report, no new anti-conversion laws were passed, and Tamil Nadu announced its decision to repeal the law; although it took no action in this regard during the period of this report... There is no national law that bars a citizen or foreigner from professing or propagating religious beliefs; however, speaking publicly against other beliefs is considered dangerous to public order and is prohibited by India's Foreigners Act. This act strictly prohibits visitors who are in the country on tourist visas from engaging in religious preaching without first obtaining permission from the Ministry of Home Affairs... As of May, no cases had been filed under the law, and following the poor performance of the governing party in the state in national parliamentary elections, the Chief Minister(of Tamilnadu) announced in Mayher intention to repeal the act;however, there had been no action by the end of the period covered by this report. In March 2003, the state assembly of Gujarat passed the Gujarat Freedom of Religion Act. The act requires those involved with a conversion to seek the permission, both before and after the conversion ceremony, of the district collector, who is the sole arbiter of the validity of each conversion. This act also requires the police to investigate cases of forced or induced religious conversions. As with the Tamil Nadu anti-conversion law, punishments are greater for women, scheduled castes, and "tribals." In April 2003, one Christian and one Buddhist organization filed a case in Ahmedabad High Court against the act; the court dismissed the petition as premature, since the rules and regulations for the act had not yet been published. The rules stillhad not been published by the end of the period covered by this report. In April 2003, a contingent of Dalits asked permission of the Vadodara Collector to convert to Buddhism under the new act; the collector had not given permission by the end of the period covered by this report. At the end of the period covered by this report, the law could not be implemented because the rules and regulations had not been drafted. State officials made no attempts to implement it in the absence of formal regulations... In its 2002 report on Gujarat, the NHRC held the Gujarat government responsible for the riots and accused it of "a complicity that was tacit if not explicit." It concluded that "there is no doubt, in the opinion of this Commission, that there was a comprehensive failure on the part of the state government to control the persistent violation of rights of life, liberty, equality, and dignity of the people of the state." The report recommended a Central Bureau of Investigation inquiry into the communal riots, which the state government refused to allow. The Government of Gujarat never requested a Central Bureau of Investigation Inquiry; it formed the Nanavati Commission instead... Officials from the Consulate in Chennai were active in assisting missionary Joseph Cooper following the attack on him by Hindu extremists in 2003. The Consulate in Chennai also organized a roundtable on June 23, 2003, to promote better understanding between the Hindu, Muslim, Christian, and Buddhist communities. The Chennai Consulate also continued to reach out to the Muslim community through Iftar parties and the International Visitor/Madrassa programs. Finally, U.S. officials have continued to engage state officials on the implementation and reversal of anti-conversion laws. Released on September 15, 2004 http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35516.htm
Posted by: keshto patel Mar 19 2005, 06:15 PM
United States of Arrogants? * * As if the headlines like Iraq War, Pakistani Nuclear Wal-Mart, Iran’s uranium enrichment was not enough (subject wise), here comes a new irritant to state department in the form of Mr. Modi aka lion of Gujarat. * * Just as Dr. Rice was trying to fit in the Indian Briyani plate, (to disuade indians on smoking peace pipe with Iranians) the timing of decision making on Mr. Modi’s Visa got collided with it. And the decision was taken forth with at Washington against the visa of Mr. Modi, which was revoked unjustfuly. Modi's boat was rocked. * Indians are fully cognizant of the fact that, USA as a sovereign nation has all the rights to deny entry to any foreigner. But when this happens due to bias on the part of US administration, rest of the world citizens maintain their rights to question and criticize such a move too, particularly when we live among the comity of nations. * * Shri Modi’s case, as it stands, is totally flawless when it comes to the criteria as set forth by US state department who are maintaining double standards with sheer hypocrisy, noting the following facts: * The stalwarts of state department are never shy when caught under paints down, as was the case after tiananmen square murder where Sr. Bush secretly dispatched his National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft with a secret message, who, then raised a champagn toast with killers of Tiananmen square premier at Beijing. * US of A is already engaged in dirty yet illegal war (no UN blessings) with iraq accounting for thousands of deaths and bleeding itself in the process, which is begging a genocide stamp from world watchers with binoculars. * It is the biggest democracy in western hemsphere which kills heads of other states with wink n nod, Fidel castro was lucky, el chileno (allende) was not. This is the rogue nation with **my way or the highway** policy which also smuggles in heads of state into united states for mug shots a la Antonio noriega. * Knock knock senior chavez de la venezuela, its your turn, the henchmen are loose at langley, Virginia. * Against this, Mr. Modi is just a toddler who does not have any FIR filed against him in any country, neither he is on the record ordering killings. It seems that, once again ISI has its way as always and US is doing*its bidding with conduits like kaleem kwaja * US of A has a habit of betting on a wrong horse which would bankrupt this nation in the long run, while India has always behaved as a gentleman, it is pakistan which is playing a role of a call girl with condomn in the hand and yankees fall for her. * United Staes can flex its muscles in any which way it wants as long as it does not hurt peoples around, and this is where Mr. Modi got hurt by being just one more spectator standing near Mr. USA. * It seems like US has decided to atract more enemies (global list is growing come every sunshine) and this time its poor India without a rhyme or reason who got subdued. I think Bush has a penchant for those annoying placards and hecklers. Let us promise him a thousands, if not millions when he visits India in el proximo ano. * * Keshto Patel
Posted by: agnivayu Mar 19 2005, 07:47 PM
Things are working as planned. This proves that democratically elected leaders mean nothing, a terrorist dictator loaded with oil money will be welcomed with open arms. The best revenge for this is for the Hindu Natinalists to seize power in India again. We must work towards that goal, nothing like seeing pissed off commi's and muslims. For the glory of vedic civilization, we must develop economically and military. Only 30 more years, and all the little monkeys who are jumping with joy at this little victory of theirs will pay. Meanwhile Muslim terrorists are getting shot everyday under Bush's orders, keep up the good work!
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 08:04 PM
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The best revenge for this is for the Hindu Natinalists to seize power in India again. We must work towards that goal, nothing like seeing pissed off commi's and muslims. For the glory of vedic civilization, we must develop economically and military. Only 30 more years, and all the little monkeys who are jumping with joy at this little victory of theirs will pay
Let me say again to achieve above and long term security and safety of India, Someone have to fix problem called West Bengal (Commie). They are churning out anti -Indians and traitors on minute basis. Whole generation is brain washed with no attachment to its long history. They are encouraging all type fanatics from BD and Pakistan, they are in bed with China, destroying Nepal. We will see more problem on every issues from all these Roys, Chatterjies, Banerjies, Bose and others etc. Who will control these losers is a big question?
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 19 2005, 08:44 PM
Mudy, Stop blasting Indian communities. VA
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 19 2005, 08:58 PM
Gujjus back off. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/20modi.htm
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Patel said Gujaratis settled in USA have decided to stand by the decision of the US administration on the visa issue. He said, "We support the decision of the American government on this issue''. Patel pleaded with Modi to expedite the process of justice for the riot victims in the state and� should help in removing whatever obstacles come in the way of giving speedy justice.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 09:40 PM
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Mudy, Stop blasting Indian communities. VA
Should we start praising commies and its mentor? Should we congratulate Commies for destroying West Bengal education system and brain washed new generation? Should we celebrate West Bengal 30 years of setback? Should we welcome brainwashed commies in US from west Bengal whoes agenda are against Hindus and India.
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 19 2005, 10:33 PM
Anyone here have any idea what forced Gujjus to back off. I suspect threats of harassment of some sort.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 10:34 PM
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Gujju's back off. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/20modi.htm
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Patel said Gujaratis settled in USA have decided to stand by the decision of the US administration on the visa issue. He said, "We support the decision of the American government on this issue''. Patel pleaded with Modi to expedite the process of justice for the riot victims in the state and� should help in removing whatever obstacles come in the way of giving speedy justice.
I am ashamed to be a gujarati.. mad.gif
Posted by: Mudy Mar 19 2005, 10:41 PM
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http://www.indiapress.org/gen/news.php/The_Telegraph/400x60/0 More than the BJP, its Sangh parivar allies, the RSS and the VHP, are galvanising the crowds for tomorrow’s rally, the sources said. Barring Fernandes, no senior NDA leader is expected to attend the meeting and “enhance” Modi’s “legitimacy”, Janata Dal (United) sources said. In Delhi, opinion was divided even within the BJP on the “extent” to which the leadership should go to defend Modi each time he lands himself in a spot. Those seen as close to Advani and Modi felt that their “Hindutva mascot” should be “preserved and projected appropriately”. But others thought the issue should be de-linked from Modi’s persona.
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I am ashamed to be a gujarati..
IRS scare here. Sponsors may be creating problem or pressure from government. They know how to hit back. biggrin.gif
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 19 2005, 10:48 PM
Just a note : The Telegraph is a Sonia Congress mouthpiece.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 19 2005, 10:58 PM
Asian American Hotel Owners Association in the United States has decided to cancel invitation to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi following the decision of the Bush administration to deny him visa to travel to the country. This was stated by Mike Patel, founder chairman of the association and advisor on minorities to the US President George W Bush while talking to PTI over the phone from America on Saturday night. -------- This guy did not want to risk his kursi, unlike the other Indian who wrote an open letter protesting the cancelling of Modi's visa to Rowe ---- The correct payback is to identify the 22 congressmen and many of them are in India caucus and dont fund them next time At Gujurat Modi should legally harass all the missionaries and NGOs
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 10:59 PM
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IRS scare here. Sponsors may be creating problem or pressure from government. They know how to hit back. biggrin.gif
I know. I consider this on par with kandahar sellout by GOI and more so by gujaratis. Shame on us.. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 11:00 PM
Is there a list of those 21 congressmen ? India caucus has a lot to answer..
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 11:02 PM
VA check PM.
Posted by: ashyam Mar 19 2005, 11:16 PM
I would say that the decision of Gujarati association is correct. In US, they are americans and they should respect US government decision. If they don't they will be labelled anti-american will be targetted by many (may be including government)only to see their money power and influence draining. What they should do is to work within US legal framework, lobby against this decision and target the senators who lobbied against Modi and finance their rivals. It is going to be a long shot. OFBJP should see this as a blessing in disguise and start organizing all rich Gujjus under one umbrella and start seriously lobbying. With that money they should be able to hire a lobbying firm (should be more effective than one used by Indian Government since they can certainly arrange more than $50,000) for a favourable result.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 11:36 PM
This is not a blessing. This is a SHAME. India has been proven to be pushovers. Meanwhile khalistanis rejoice.. http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=88058
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Sikh bodies hail denial of visa to Narender Modi [India News]: Amritsar, Mar.19 : Various Sikh organizations have hailed the decision of the denial of visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi by US Consulate in India, terming it as "a principled and courageous action". While talking to ANI over phone, Dr. Pritpal Singh, the convener of the American Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee, said on Saturday that Sikhs in America were against Modi getting the visa because of his alleged venomous speeches against the minorities. "We in U.S. had been demanding for not granting visa to Modi as his presence could have created tension among minorities in U.S. We appreciated the step taken by the Consulate in India. The step taken by the US consulate indicates that the United States retains a deep commitment to human rights and the rights of the minorities. across the world," Pritpal Singh said. The president of the All India Sikh Students Association, Manjit Singh Bhoma ,said that that other countries should also follow the path of the U.S. Bhoma also criticized the Indian Government for backing Modi on the issue. He alleged that both the Congress and the BJP were hand in glove in their machinations against the minorities. (ANI)
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 19 2005, 11:39 PM
It is one thing to respect the US govt decision but if you read the letter, it sounds like a lot of ass kissing which is unnecessary There was a letter to karl Rowe by another Indian official of the US govt which while accepting the decision did not ass kiss like this guy Look at this other letter and see how he kept his self respect March 19, 2005 Dr Akshay Desai is one of the hosts for an event in Florida featuring Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. He is also close to Florida Governor Jeb Bush, US President George W Bush's younger brother. He was recently appointed a Commissioner, White House Commission on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, a tribute to his proximity to the Bush family and his prominence in the Indian-American community. This is the letter Dr Desai wrote on Friday to Karl Rove, President Bush's closest political adviser and his deputy chief of staff, to protest against the denial of a US visa to Modi, which we reproduce verbatim. March 18, 2005 Mr Karl Rove Deputy Chief of Staff Senior Political Advisor 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20502 RE: Denial of Diplomatic Visa and Revocation of Visitor's Visa for the Honorable Chief Minister of Gujarat (one of the largest and richest state in India), Mr Narendra Modi Dear Karl, I am writing this to request your prompt attention on this issue for a timely remedy to avoid significant political and diplomatic damage concerning US-India relations
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 11:41 PM
And the pakis rejoice.. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-3-2005_pg3_1
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EDITORIAL: US action against Mr Modi is welcome In a very significant move last Thursday, and one that can rightly be claimed as a major victory by human rights groups, the United States State Department revoked the visa of Narendra Modi, chief minister of India’s state of Gujarat. Not only has Mr Modi’s diplomatic visa been cancelled but his tourist/business visa, issued in 1998, has also been revoked. Mr Modi was planning to visit the US for five days to attend a conference organised by the Asian-American Hotel Owners’ Association. At the news of his visit, some Indian-American groups had threatened to organise protests against him. The US actions follow Mr Modi’s well-publicised and known complicity in engineering the 2002 anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat that left over 2,000 people dead. A spokesman for the US embassy in New Delhi told the media that the action against Mr Modi was taken under Section 214 (b) of the US Immigration and Nationality Act, which prohibits anybody “responsible for or directly involved in severe violations of religious freedom” from visiting the US. The spokesman also said that Mr Modi was not going to the US for a purpose that qualified for a diplomatic visa. “His tourist/business visa issued in 1998 was revoked under Section 212 (a) (2) (g) of the Act which makes any government official who was responsible for, or directly carried out at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom, ineligible for a visa.” For its part, the Indian government has reacted sharply to the US action, with the opposition Bhartiya Janata Party calling it an “insult to India”. But it does not seem like Washington is about to retract its decision, which, incidentally, must be hailed by all those who cannot accept religious violence. We would be remiss if we did not laud the role played in this victory by Indian citizens and non-resident Indians themselves. Even when Mr Modi and his men went on the rampage in Gujarat, many Indians rose against him and the views and beliefs of his supporters. However, at the time the US ambassador to India, Robert Blackwill, refused to follow the example of ambassadors from the European Union and refrained from publicly condemning Mr Modi. This is why an action that should have come much earlier has come only now. Meanwhile, inquiry reports have made clear the fact that the fire in the train at Godhra, which presumably caused the onslaught against the Muslims of the state, was not started from outside but was likely caused from inside by a burning stove or some other inflammable material. Given this finding, and the fact that the communal killing started at a massive scale and in a highly organised manner, it becomes clear that Mr Modi had a plan all along to use some incident to massacre the Muslims. The Godhra train tragedy gave him just the kind of handle he was looking for. Indeed, it would not be surprising if it could be proved that even that incident was stage-managed. That it was a political ploy became clear when Mr Modi went into early elections and won them. The US action must be hailed for two reasons: one, it establishes the fact that the world will not tolerate gratuitous violence; two, that even big countries can be brought to task when they change course from what is considered a normative framework. New Delhi’s official reaction is understandable because for good or bad Mr Modi is still part of the government, being a chief minister. So, even for the sake of form, New Delhi has to say things and show its annoyance. But if it is genuinely angered then we have an interesting situation. What is the value of sovereignty in a world that moves towards international norms and how would New Delhi reconcile its official indignation with the reaction of a majority of its own citizens who consider Mr Modi to be no less than a criminal? These are some of the questions that New Delhi needs to ask itself. *
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 19 2005, 11:43 PM
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It is one thing to respect the US govt decision but if you read the letter, it sounds like a lot of ass kissing which is unnecessary There was a letter to karl Rowe by another Indian official of the US govt which while accepting the decision did not ass kiss like this guy
I agree with GS. No need to gloss over facts saying how chankian this is. This is a SHAME for Indians and India loving folks.
Posted by: ashyam Mar 19 2005, 11:54 PM
I didn't mean it is real blessing, and I agree that India has been pushed over. If Sonia is involved then we have ourselves to blame. But see an opportunity in the shameful incident. There will be many frustrated Gujjus with the decision who can not or will not express their displeasure in public. The prime reason is that these people may not be well educated to know their rights nor very articulative to project their point of view. If OFBJP mobilise their resources, then can organise these people with an objective. I strongly believe that they need to have a lobbying firm to work for them. They should also start cultivating second generation Indians into American politics sympathetic towards India (not like Bobby Jindal). Added later: It is one thing to send a letter to Carl Rove about the incident, and another thing for the event organizer to change according to US Government's decision. If they go ahead with Modi as Chief Guest, you might consider that they have outsmarted the decision, but actually they will be providing another long stick to communist propagandists. Consider this as losing the battle(I'm talking specifically about event organizers' decision) to ensure victory in the longer war.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 20 2005, 12:00 AM
Hindustan Times Psec Vir Singhvi partially wakes up from psecism and notes the anti-Indian nature of Indian xtians
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Give This Man A Visa COUNTERPOINT | Vir Sanghvi March 19, 2005|10:45 IST I doubt if there’s anybody in the mainstream of the national press who has called Narendra Modi a “mass murderer” as often as I have on this page. And though most columnists have moved on, I keep bringing up Gujarat again and again as an example of how venal some of India’s politicians can be and a symptom of the communal hatred at the core of the Sangh Parivar. So, why am I so unhappy that the US government has revoked Modi’s tourist visa and denied him a diplomatic visa? If you use my preferred descriptions of Modi — perpetrator of genocide or mass murderer — then the American response is entirely justified. The United States has a law that prevents the government from issuing visas to any individual who has violated religious freedom. By definition, a man who encourages a pogrom against Muslims falls in that category. Even if you take the line — as some of Modi’s defenders do — that he did not condone the massacres of Muslims (let alone encourage them or allow the police to collaborate with the murderers), you are still left with his speeches during the election campaign that followed the riots. This was possibly the single-most disgraceful campaign conducted by a major political party in the history of India. Attempts were made to link Indian Muslims to Pakistan with repeated references to Mian Musharraf; it was suggested that Muslims reproduced too fast; and far from reassuring the Muslim victims of the pogrom, Modi milked the Godhra massacre to squeeze as much Hindu anger as he could get out of it. Given all this, it is impossible to deny that Narendra Modi has violated religious freedom. And the US has a perfect right to deny him a visa. Even so, when I heard about Washington’s refusal to admit Modi, a part of me was deeply unhappy. I conceded that the US has logic, law and morality on its side. But I still felt that the visa should have been granted. I was puzzled by my response. Why should I, who had been so critical of Modi on so many occasions, object if the US used exactly the same arguments that I had put forward so often to exercise its legal right not to admit a mass murderer into its territory? As I tried to understand my gut reaction, I came up with a variety of arguments. Well, I said, it is not as though Modi is in the same league (legally, at least) as Slobodan Milosovic. He’s not been convicted in any court of law of war crimes or mass murder. So how can the US deny him a visa? But I had to admit that this was not the basis of my objection. If I’m happy enough to call Modi a mass murderer without waiting for the verdict of a court of law, then how can I object if Washington reaches the same conclusion? What about the democracy angle, I thought. Modi might have encouraged the killing of Muslims but he won a massive electoral mandate after the massacres. Shouldn’t that entitle him to a visa? Well, once again, no, not really. Most ethnic violence consists of situations where a majority persecutes a minority. The leader of the majority will always win any election because the numbers are on his side. Democracy may be a great system of government but it is not always an accurate guide to morality. Adolf Hitler was among the most popular leaders Germany had ever seen but that did not excuse the Holocaust. Could it be, I wondered, that I was unhappy because of my views about America’s attitude to visas? While most Western countries will grant tourist visas to just about anybody (except perhaps to potential illegal immigrants), the US has always used ideological considerations to determine whether a visitor should be allowed in. For instance, Graham Greene was routinely denied a visitor’s visa. Or, to take a personal example, for all of the 1950s and much of the 1960s, America denied my father a tourist visa on the grounds that he had been a communist in his youth. (Washington relented in the mid-Sixties making family vacations to the US possible.) In the post-9/11 environment, the US has become even stricter. The singer Cat Stevens, now known as Yusuf Islam, was recently denied entry to the US on some unspecified grounds (connected, I suspect, with his Islamic activities, not with the crappy quality of his post-Tea for the Tillerman output). Perhaps I was just upset about the denial of a visa to Modi because I resented Washington’s supercilious and judgmental approach to deciding who is good enough to step on US soil? But no, that wasn’t it either. Every country has the right to decide who it will let in and though none of us likes queuing up for hours to be fingerprinted for a US visa we concede that this is Washington’s prerogative. So, why in God’s name, was I unhappy with the visa denial? I’m still not 100 per cent certain — can one ever logically explain away an entirely emotional reaction? — but I suspect that at the core of my response was a sense of injured national pride. Patriotism is a funny thing. I still get unreasonably agitated when Indians go abroad to seek solutions to problems that we are perfectly equipped to deal with at home. I was outraged in the 1980s when various Khalistanis lobbied the US and British governments or demanded political asylum from what they claimed was the repressive Indian state. Why, I demanded, didn’t they simply go back and fight elections at home? I’m only marginally more understanding when Hurriyat delegations meet visiting foreigners to complain about India. Who appointed the Hurriyat as the spokespeople of the Kashmiris anyway? How many seats would the Hurriyat win if it dared take part in an election? And given that we have electoral democracy in Kashmir, why don’t they just exercise the same democratic rights as you and me? Why do they need to go whining to foreigners? All right, I admit that none of this is entirely rational. But, for better or worse, this is how I feel. Take another instance. When the lunatic fringe of the Sangh Parivar started attacking churches, burning Bibles and persecuting Christians, I was one of the strongest critics of its behaviour. Then, one day, while I was in Washington, I discovered that some Indian Christian activists were also in town, telling their tales of woe to a committee of the US Congress. I felt unreasonably betrayed. What, I wondered, was the point of writing so many columns and of trying to influence opinion in India if these guys were going to fly off to Washington and run our country down before a foreign committee? Why couldn’t we fight our battle against intolerance at home? Why did we need to weep on the shoulders of foreigners? At some level, I suppose, there is a slightly jingoistic streak to my personality; a kind of crude patriotism. As much as we talk about internationalism, the global village and world media, I still get annoyed if I see an Indian going on foreign TV to run down our country. My suspicion is that many Indians share the same jingoistic streak. That’s why we get so annoyed by the slightest criticism in the foreign media, are so determined to fight third party involvement in the sub-continent and get extraordinarily defensive if any foreign country comments on our affairs. How does all this relate to Narendra Modi and the American visa he did not get? Well, I guess that my unhappiness over the visa denial stems from the same sort of jingoism and crude patriotism. I believe that Narendra Modi is a mass murderer but as long as he’s Chief Minister of an Indian state, I believe that the US should grant him a visa. When it refuses the visa, it might intend to insult Modi (over which I shed no tears) but it also ends up insulting India by suggesting that our elected officials are not good enough to enter the US. Crudely put, my position is this: he may be a mass murderer, but he’s our mass murderer. And as long as he holds an elected office, he represents India, for better or for worse. Is this a logical position? Probably not. But logic and patriotism don’t always go hand in hand
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 12:02 AM
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Meanwhile khalistanis rejoice..
Well, political asylum path should continue. Kanada, Amreika and Vilayat di gaddi chaley. Pakistani and Asi bhai bhai.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 12:18 AM
If denying visa will end pinkoos, christians and muslim anti-India activities in US, it is okay. Any self-respecting person will not come after this insult. But now these pathetic will target IDRF, SEWA or India Nuclear policy or Kashmir issue. Angana Chatterji is Paki mouthpiece, what will be her next target? Kashmir. Should be start saying Good bye to Kashmir, Nepal and later Assam?
Posted by: Kumar Mar 20 2005, 12:29 AM
An enemy needs to be eliminated. Period. Whether he is an internal enemy or external does not matter. Higher the number of our enemies, higher is the risk to our well being. We are faced with many enemies Islam, China, USA, Pinkos (Indian Commies) and many more. When I was in high school, my math teacher used to say, tackle the easier problems first then move on to harder ones to avoid wasting time and therefore improving the chances of acquiring higher marks. It is very important for us to do a cold blooded analysis. In keeping with that let us make a list of India’s enemies. The formula or protocol I am using is the same one prescribed by my math teacher. Tackle the easiest problem first and then move on towards the hardest problem. Ok so here I go: 1) DDM (Desi Dork Media) 2) Pinkos (commies who were born in India and do not feel any sense of duty towards India) 3) Separatist Morons 4) Bangladesh 5) Pakistan 6) China 7) Western Countries which may hurt India one day {Feel free to modify my list as long as you understand the protocol I am using.} If you can look at my list you will see there is long list of internal enemies India is facing. When a country faces a long list of internal trouble makers such as DDM and Pinkos in India, this is a tale tale sign of lack of strong confident majority. In India, we lack strong confident Hindu majority. As a result, we have long list of trouble makers who are propping up out of sheer confusion. First thing that we need to do is work towards building a strong confident Hindu majority in India. Why? Because strong confident Hindu majority is in the best interest of all Indians whether they belong to one of the Indic religions such as Hinduism, Sikhism andBuddhism or foreign based religions such as Christianity, Islam and Mormonism. Once we have strong confident Hindu majority in India we are ready to elimiante our enemies one by one. When we embark on this mission, we have to be cold blooded and ruthless just like our enemies are. 1) Shut down all the stupid english language media such as Outlook India or whatever the name for that $hit rag is. If Indian media can not act responsibly then they do not deserve their freedom. 2) Dissolve current commie government of West Bengal immediately. They have done some serious damage to the cerebral cortex of people of West Bengal. We need to institutionalize serious education that would teach people of West Bengal some basic human concepts such as sense of duty to one’s nation. I think after 10 years of forced education, these people will be ready to carry out their responsibility as Indians. Keep in mind all the people in West Bengal are not Pinkos. So, the task is not as difficult as it may seem at the beginning. We can also do the same to places like Bihar. 3) Hunt and kill the separatist bastards in the north-east. Institute draft if that is necessary. Indians need to know that we are at war. Our survival is at stake. It is not a joke. 4) After that, invade Bangladesh turn it into dump zone. We seem to not value Bangladesh but folks this can be a valuable dump zone where we can dump anti nationals like Bidwais. It has full potential to be our Gitmo. 5) After that it is time to hump Pakistan non stop. Keep initiating constant conflicts with Packees for prolonged years. You will be surprised how quickly they will turn defensive. Ofcouse, it will cost us. As I said, it is our survival at stake here. It is not a joke. 6) Develop more nuke tipped IRBMs modernize our armed forces geared to take on China. We should prepare to fight both China and Pakistan simultaneously. We may just have to do it one day. If it comes to nuke, take as many mofos with us as we can before we go down. Remember we find value in our life only when we accept death. 7) If we take care of six steps that I mentioned no Western behenchods will mess with us. Pardon my French. I am tired of this pussy footing. I do not believe in shooting from someone else’s shoulder. So, I say bring in the draft. We all need to do our duty.
Posted by: ashyam Mar 20 2005, 12:41 AM
Actually by denying visa US Govt. has provided another ammunition in the hands of communists for propaganda. Only way to undo this is to lobby hard to change this decision. Denial of US visa may only be an opportunity for Modi, in terms of getting more domestic support. But it is important for IDRF and other organizations to get him visa issued. Surely we will see more commie articles linking IDRF with Modi now. If we can undo this denial of visa, it actually will be a bigger shot in our arm. That will be a better tool to campaign that commies were really spreading lies and they even lied to US government. It is important to ensure that anti-US protests by BJP doesn't turn violent. They should avoid burning US flag or attacking US visitors. Let me hope that doesn't happen. Let us not look for smaller victories, we need to win the longer war. People who can, should focus on to get visa issued to Modi.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 12:48 AM
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1) DDM (Desi Dork Media) 2) Pinkos (commies who were born in India and do not feel any sense of duty towards India) 3) Separatist Morons
Hit there credibility. All three are well funded groups and strong support from Unkil and other nations. Continuous and well organized campaign is needed. They are tool used against India as and when required by big power to twist India's arm.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 12:53 AM
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They should avoid burning US flag or attacking US visitors
Difficult to control this small level emotion. But this strategy helped Pakistan, why not with India. Today anti-war protestor expressed there emotion in San Francisco and last month same happened in Paris but in larger scale. It is a common practice. Physically harming anyone is wrong and should be avoided in any case.
Posted by: vijnan_anand Mar 20 2005, 12:56 AM
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2) Dissolve current commie government of West Bengal immediately. They have done some serious damage to the cerebral cortex of people of West Bengal. We need to institutionalize serious education that would teach people of West Bengal some basic human concepts such as sense of duty to one’s nation
Bengalis don't need lessons in patriotism from anybody. Anybody questioning the patriotism of Bengalis based on the antics of a few ba$tards in colleges need to have their heads checked.
Posted by: Kumar Mar 20 2005, 12:59 AM
Mudy, I wanted to include secular nerds in the list but I realized nerds are not worth the title ‘enemy’. I could be wrong though, some secular nerds are quite hyper.
Posted by: Kumar Mar 20 2005, 01:09 AM
Vijnan, I acknowledged in my post that the all Indians living in West Bengal are not Pinkos. I have met some great RSS/BJP leaders who happened to be Bengalis and I could not hold candle to their sense of Patriotism. I was lamenting on the fact that Pinkos have seriously damaged the thought process of people of West Bengal, especially younger generations. Therefore, they need institutionalization where they can learn basic human concepts such as ‘patriotism’. I further added correctly that if we let them, they will continue to create massive number of misguided Indians who will work against India therefore becoming enemy of India. We need to avoid that. And to do that we need to kill current West Bengal government ASAP. They are detrimental to the well being of India.
Posted by: ashyam Mar 20 2005, 01:19 AM
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But this strategy helped Pakistan, why not with India. Today anti-war protestor expressed there emotion in San Francisco and last month same happened in Paris but in larger scale. It is a common practice.
It worked for Pakistan because OBL is there and Musharaff made the master U turn in policy. If that was not the condition I'm sure we would see Pakistan being treated like dirt. Keep in mind that we do not have any of those advantages. Inorder to tackle the commies in US we should be able to project BJP as most US friendly party in India, in spite of a gori as head of Congress. Any image of BJP workers burning US flag will do serious damage to it.
Posted by: k.ram Mar 20 2005, 04:58 AM
Oops.. Thanks Chandramoulee
Posted by: vijayk Mar 20 2005, 05:57 AM
It is very strange suddenly the SCUM bag Vir Sanghvi confesses how he felt betrayed by people testifying against India in Washington. This SCUM bag and COMMIE SCUM bags have no idea why they do this. First, it is a strategy for concerned individuals to get some political and religious leverage in their local places or churches or missionaries. Second, it is a strategy by these guys to keep pressurising India to allow missionaries, conversions and propaganda. They work in collusion with the white guys to keep on pushing bad news about India to the news papers thereby giving them leverage to push missionary work. The idea is to put pressure on thrild world countries to push conversions world wide. With Dubya as president and Replublican Congress, the right-wing task has become easier in the US. Vir Sanghvi kind of SCUM bags don't understand why these people go and complain in foreign countries. It is because the hatred they have for Hinduism is unbelievable. When I was in my Engineering College, we had a christian professor who used to call us to his staff room and argue with us that Lord Krishna is not God with no provocation. No one wanted to argue with him, but he would start it with every student. Once he played a Gita casette and started telling us that in that Lord Krishna says he is not a God. So he says, how can you Hindus believe that he is a God. Till then, I have been brought up as in a loyal CONgress family with heavy dose of secularism. I was shocked to see the hatred in this Professor's heart against the Hindu religion. He hated it so much that he heard Gita on cassette to ridicule and score points over Hinduism. The US is filled with such kind of pompous, self-absorbed and sycophant Indians who would do anything to promote themselves. Vir Sangvi and and his ilk simply don't get it.
Posted by: chandramoulee Mar 20 2005, 08:34 AM
The petition recommended by K.Ram is actually an endorsement of the denial of the Visa to Shri Narendra Modi and is NOT a petition for ACCORDING him one. I therefore request our friends to READ the petition before signing it!
Posted by: LSrini Mar 20 2005, 08:52 AM
It is not an endorsement of the visa denial... but the wording could have been better. I dont think words like "even if he were guilty " reflects the hypocrisy and the arbitrariness of the US decision.
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Dear President Bush and Dr. Rice: I am writing this to request your prompt attention on this issue for a timely remedy to avoid significant political and diplomatic damage concerning US-India relations. As a person of Indian origin, I am shocked and deeply disturbed by U.S. Government's denial of diplomatic visa to, and revocation of existing business/tourist visa of Mr. Narendra Modi, Hon. Chief Minister of State of Gujarat, India. Mr. Modi has been denied diplomatic visa on the basis of section 212 (a)(2)(G) which requires to find the applicant ineligible for admission to the United States any foreign government official who has at any time been responsible for a particularly serious violation of another's religious freedom'. Section 212(a)(2)(G) of the Immigration and Nationality Act that has been cited actually says "Any alien who, while serving as a foreign Government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time during the preceding 24-month period, particularly severe violations of religious freedom, as defined in Section 3 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, and the spouse and children, if any, are inadmissible" Even if Mr Modi were to be guilty as charged by the US, American law does not debar him from securing a visa because more than 24 months have lapsed since the Godhra massacre and subsequent riots in Gujarat which occurred during the last days of February and early March 2002. In any event, Mr Modi has neither been charged with nor found guilty of being "responsible for or (having) directly carried out particularly severe violations of religious freedom" by any court of law in India or anywhere in the world, let alone be tried and convicted. In America, we have a tradition of not acting on just ‘wild accusations’ but only on hard facts, and ‘innocent until proven guilty in court’, for our proper course of action on any matter. There are examples of several other currently serving world leaders who have been accused of more egregious crimes, war crimes, and violations of human rights; but were allowed to visit the USA and have been welcome at the White House also. Mr. Modi is the Chief minister of a state with 60 million people who has been elected with thumping majority in a democratic election, which was observed by U.S. observers along with observers from other countries. There was a systematic ‘smear campaign’ carried out by his opponents. Mr. Modi is a Hindu by religion and has been accused by some Muslim organizations of being anti-Muslim. As you know, India has over 800 millions practicing Hindus and the previous Hindu dominated BJP government of India and its leaders were and are very close to your administration Therefore to do justice to two million strong Indian community in the USA, I request you to reverse the decision regarding Mr. Modi's visa and assure the Indian community of fairness and justice, now and in the future, under your leadership at the State Department. I request you to look into this, review the facts, and then our administration should arrive at the right decision to avoid any potential setback in US-India relations. Thanking you for your prompt attention
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 09:53 AM
More of this will continue. India should get ready to get more slaps delivered. If India cannot prevent one of its elected leaders from such insults what can an aam-desi expect ? http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/mar202005/i10.asp
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Plea to revoke visa to Modi Rights activists plan to move court for an arrest warrant against Modi and claim to have the support of people who were affected by the Gujarat riots. FROM SHYAM BHATIA DH NEWS SERVICE LONDON: London civil rights activists are lobbying the British government to withdraw a UK visa for Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi who is expected here on a three-day visit at the end of next week. The campaign to revoke his UK visa follows the American State Department’s decision last Friday to ban him from the US because of his alleged role in abetting the 2002 Gujarat riots. New Delhi has described the US decision as “uncalled for” and lacking in courtesy and sensitivity, but Mr Modi’s critics in India and other parts of the world are delighted at the new opportunity that has been provided to hold him accountable for the tragic events of 2002. In London, Mr Modi is being billed the chief guest at the Gujarat Festival, a musical extravaganza at the British capital’s prestigious Albert Hall, for which 5,500 tickets priced at between £ 5 and £ 50 have been sold out. Some 70 UK and India-based performers, including Harish Bhimani, Sandeep Raval, Trilok Gurtu and Praful Dave, are expected to perform at the festival which has so far cost organisers from the London-based Asian Music Circuit more than £ 1,20,000. Although Gujarat music and culture are the reasons for the sell-out event, Mr Modi’s presence is another reason why Gujaratis are expected to flock to the Albert Hall to express their solidarity with their controversial chief minister. Opposition to Mr Modi’s visit is being spearheaded by Suresh Grover of the UK National Civil Rights Movement, who said if the chief minister is allowed into the UK, he will apply for an arrest warrant against him. “I was told he was speaking at the Royal Albert Hall. The issue is that he is very likely to be coming here,” Mr Grover said. “We are going to make representations to the British parliament not to allow him here. If he is allowed here, we will take court action for a warrant of arrest to be issued against him.” Demonstrations Mr Grover led demonstrations against Mr Modi when he last visited the UK a year ago, but failed to have an arrest warrant issued against him. This time, he says, he has sworn statements from claimants, who say they were directly affected by the 2002 riots. “At last year’s hearing the judge said it may be possible to issue a warrant of arrest for him if we can show the command structure which links some of the killings or murder, or torture, specifically torture, to Modi. “In other words, if we were able to get a specific number of individuals who were affected by the Gujarat incidents three years ago. “We are planning all sorts of actions, including strong representations with other NGOs and also planning action if he is allowed in. “I think the action in America has spurred people in this country with regard to his arrival in the UK. It’s much stronger objections now than they used to be.” NRIs in favour of Mr Modi have been telephoning the London office of the overseas friends of BJP to express their support. The BJP’s Anil Pota told Deccan Herald: “I’ve had about 20 calls from people who want a rally here or a meeting there, all that sort of thing. “But the Indian stand is very good, even Manmohan Singh today spoke out.” Ramesh Kaldai of the UK’s Hindu Forum, predicted a big turn-out for Mr Modi when he arrives in London. “People are not very pleased at the US decision because at least the right of travel should be maintained,” he said. “What will happen if India decides tomorrow to refuse a visa to Bush because of whatever he has done in Iraq,” he asks.
Posted by: k.ram Mar 20 2005, 10:01 AM
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Title: Left caught in the cleft of Condoliza Author: Swati Kulkarni Publication : Mumbai Tarun Bharat Date : March 20, 2005 By refusing to give Visa to the CM of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, America has slapped the foreign policy of the Manmohan Singh government. Lovers of Modi, supporters and party workers think that this is a conspiracy of personal revenge or they are telling that the insult of Modi is an insult to the nation. Although it is necessary for them to interpret and describe this action in the language understandable to the common people, in reality, America has hit this blow to the ruling adventurist Congress people. This statement may be apparently thought to be strange. But the contrast in the statement must be understood. Basically, if US had not delivered this slap to the Central Government, the latter would not have been forced to approach the US to request for reconsideration taking the side of Modi. This is the first axe on the Manmohan Singh Government and its foreign policy. In future, through which pits and falls, the mutual relations will have to go depends on how much understanding the Manmohan Government shows. As soon as we got wind of this calamity, we had published in Mumbai Tarun Bharat, during August 2004 a detailed news regarding the Gas Pipe line. Two proposals for bringing the Gas available in the Central Asia to India have been gathering dust for last many years. There were differences of opinion about whether such pipe line should be brought via Afghanistan-Pak to India or via Iran-Pak route. While accepting any proposal, it was necessary to establish sufficiently cordial relations. As they did not exist, the proposals were about to be aborted. But in 2005, immediately as he became the Petroleum Minister, Manishankar Aiyar decided to be active on that issue. Other ministries also supported his shallow, controversial and wild action. During the six years of its tenure, Vajpayee government had so skillfully nurtured the sweet and sour relations with US that as a nation, we could get a number of advantages from them. As soon as elections in India were declared in February 2004, Bush announced cooperation in high technology and thereby supported Vajpayee. In this manner, we saw the peak of cordial relations between two nations. But the current Congress has thoroughly watered these relations achieved with incessant efforts within its last two months. Its signs were visible in the Gas Pipeline decision nearly 7 months earlier. As soon as coming in power, the shallow and leftist Aiyar who displays his title of Anti-America attitude adopted the policy of stepping on the tail of America. The decision of taking gas from Iran was a part of this policy only. Europe and America both have expressed their disapproval of Iran's ambition of having nuclear weapons. With the leadership of Europe, if Iran is coming down, it is all right, but if not , it appears, the US will not go back, but use force to make Iran surrender. At this time, Russia is firmly backing Iran and publicly declaring that it is committed to give nuclear technology to Iran. In such critical condition, the decision of India to adopt a policy hurting US and taking India to the door of Russia is indeed surprising. What was the need to bring out this decaying wet blanket of gas pipeline to wash at this time only? But how it can be Mani Shankar Aiyar if he misses the opportunity of proving to be anti-America? He did not stop there only. From an International dais he started calling American Oil companies as beggarly western companies. He even roared that under any circumstances, he will not allow any place in Indian Oil industry to them. In addition, Central cabinet gave all rights of negotiations about Gas pipeline to Aiyar and immediately, Aiyar announced his visit to go to Iran. As soon as this news was published, American ambassador Robert Blake met Aiyar and apprised him of the dangers of having an agreement with Iran. In spite of this, Aiyar did not change his position neither his views. If Sonia herself was blessing him, why he should surrender to anybody? As if all this was not sufficient, Indian Government invited the president Hugo Shavez of Venezuela which is in Russian camp to visit New Delhi and gave a grand reception to him. A number of experts have expressed suspicion that Shavez had helped the terrorists in 11 Sept. attack. Shavez had defeated all the efforts made by America to depose him. Before reaching Delhi, Shavez visited a number countries and throughout his travails, he kept up his tirades against America. The Central Government passed a number of resolutions of cooperation in the Oil sector with him. The leftists here had already called him in their Joint in Jawaharlal Nehru University. In this way, by playing honeymoon with two bitter enemies of America, Mani Shankar Aiyar unfurled the flag of revolt. Just to add fuel to fire, Hillary Clinton who is touring the world to record her opposition to the Foreign policy of Bush, was accorded a grand reception. We have read the descriptions of the parties sponsored by Pawar. In this manner, by giving a grand reception to Hillary who is opposing the policy of Bush, there was no judgement as to what we are achieving or losing. But if there was an appropriate judgement, the entire drama would not have taken place. What a common reader far away like me understands, will not the all powerful US understand it? While giving a 'No' to Rice, Narwarsingh-Aiyar-Manmohan were not able to hide the smile on their cheeks. But the same smiling cheeks have been a delivered powerful slap by Rice as soon as she had stepped out of India. She is supposed to be an expert in Oil Industry. The waves in the air are sufficient for her to understand the twisted steps of Aiyar. Even regret for America having become the only power centre was expressed in the very presence of Rice. In the fantasy of thinking that the world will be divided in two poles like early days, the leftists in the world are acting as it they have gone crazy. The Schroeder of Germany, Chirac of France are also among them. But surpassing all these powerful nations, the Manishankar Aiyar is acting as it is his work of lifting the Palanquin of making Russia another centre of power like earlier days. The people like Natwar who is encouraging him in his adventurism, are immediately echoing their yes to his every say. Seeing the heavenly scene of all these people getting lost in the Brahmanand, Condoliza Rice was not surprised. Till she was in Delhi, she maintained her smile and talked the American side in sweet words. By refusing Visa to Modi, Condo has cornered the Central Government in an unprecedented position. It is appearing to take the side of Modi so far hated as worst and greatest villain. In Jharkhand episode, the leftists were accusing the SC of interfering with the rights of the legislature. Now who will criticize Aiyar and Natwarsingh of going wrong? These people should make it clear, what do they want to do, run the government or run the leftist movement. It is the question of discernment/judgement whether to say good-bye to the suicidal foreign policy or not. Manmohan Singh was successful in covering the congress exposure at the last moment in the Jharkhand episode. Now, it is his turn to cover the exposure about foreign policy re America. If he is not successful in this, he will have to rub his cheeks often in the future.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 10:52 AM
I agree with Swapan. US has shown how important Indians are in its view and in a show of raw power put India in its place.. http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?id=13697627
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US treats India as pushover By Swapan Dasgupta Sunday, 20 March , 2005, 09:55 Regardless of how the UPA Government in New Delhi actually perceives him, it is reassuring that the Ministry of External Affairs has made all the right noises in protesting against the US Administration's denial of a visa to Narendra Modi. The Gujarat Chief Minister may not be everyone's cup of tea, but, he is the democratically elected, constitutional functionary of a major Indian State. Consequently, declaring him persona non grata in the US on the strength of an abhorrence of his Government's political record is unquestionably an affront to Indian sovereignty. Modi was not being facetious when he compared the action to a possible denial of an Indian visa to a US Government functionary for the violation of human rights by the multinational force in Iraq. Of course, the US Government has a complete and unfettered right to determine who can and who cannot visit its shores. That is the prerogative of all sovereign nation-states. Each year, thousands of Indian students are routinely denied visas to pursue higher studies in the US on the basis of very subjective risk assessments by the consular staff. Some of these decisions are patently unfair but we cannot deny the US Government's right to pick and choose its visitors and potential immigrants. Modi, however, does not fall into this category. The US, it can be safely said, has nothing personal against him. Not very long ago he had toured the US extensively as part of its distinguished visitors programme. In 2003, after becoming Chief Minister, he visited the UK and earlier this year, he was hosted by Australia. Yes, during his London visit, some over-zealous Left-wing activists did try to have him arrested, but the Bow Street Magistrates court threw out the plea. His US visit may have been marked by demonstrations and protests. However, that is an occupational hazard of all controversial politicians - Indian, Israeli and Irish. The US did not prevent Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams from being hosted by Irish-Americans at last week's St Patrick's Day celebrations. And Adams, it would be fair to say, isn't exactly a shining epitome of religious freedom. The US is being patently disingenuous when it argues that Modi has been kept out because he has fallen foul of the International Religious Freedom Act, 1998. It is patently obvious that for the US the definition of religious intolerance is based on political expediency. It is unlikely that the opulent financers of Wahabi Islam in Saudi Arabia or the fire-breathing Christian evangelists, the bulk of whom support President George W Bush, will fall foul of the Act. Nor will the more extreme Zionists in Israel. That is because all these groups have either considerable domestic clout in the US or enjoy a strategic importance in the State Department. For the US, religious freedom is not an absolute ethical imperative; it is a foreign policy lever. The Gujarati hoteliers have lost out not because they personify UN-American tendencies. You couldn't, after all, get a more law-abiding and industrious ethnic group in the US. They have been singled out for opprobrium because, for whatever reason, they do not have the requisite political clout. The Modi affair sums up the predicament of the entire Indian-American predicament. Here is a community of more than a million that equals the per capita income of American Jews but which lacks any significant political influence. This is not because the community does not want to get involved but because it lacks articulate voices. Those Indian-Americans like Bobby Jindal who have made a mark have done so as individuals, not as representatives of a vibrant ethnic group. Yet others, mainly academics, mirror the anti-Hindu self-flagellation of India's own secularists. Consequently, confronted by pressure from influential Christian evangelists who have been made unwelcome in Gujarat, the US political establishment made Modi the fall guy. The US hasn't insulted Modi. It has signalled that Indians are a pushover. The views expressed in the article are the writer's and not that of Sify.com's.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 10:59 AM
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050320/asp/opinion/story_4513611.asp
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IN A GLASS HOUSE Ideological fervour and principles grounded in reason are always at loggerheads. Most haters of Mr Narendra Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat, will find an occasion to rejoice at the fact that the government of the United States of America has denied him a visa. Congenital critics of the US government are suddenly applauding one of its decisions. The denial of the visa and the revoking of a previous one are both based on legal grounds. US law declares that any government official who was responsible for the violation of religious freedom is ineligible for a visa. Mr Modi thus stands condemned by the US government for his involvement in the Gujarat pogrom in 2002. This might warm the cockles of secular hearts but the matter needs to be looked at without ideological blinkers and without condoning Mr Modi’s responsibility for the killing of Muslims in Gujarat. Indeed, it is necessary to separate the moral outrage against Mr Modi and the moral approval of the US government’s decision. Mr Modi, for good or for bad, is an elected chief minister of an Indian state. Despite what he did or did not do, he won a democratic mandate. He also wanted to visit the US as the chief minister of Gujarat. The function that he was invited to attend is dominated by people from the state of Gujarat. The US government chose to ignore the verdict of Indian democracy. Large sections of educated Indians, including eminent people in the corridors of power, believe that the president of the US, Mr George W. Bush, has violated democratic norms and has, without reason, killed thousands of innocent people in Iraq. Under Mr Bush’s leadership, US intelligence agencies produced false evidence about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and unleashed an unprovoked war on that country. What does this make Mr Bush? Some would suggest that he should be charged with crimes against humanity. Yet, he is the elected president of the people of the US and this status has to be respected despite moral and ideological opposition to his policies and actions. Similarly, presidents like John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, despite their killing of tens of thousands of Vietnamese, were allowed to travel because of the official position they had acquired through a democratic process. The US government, because of its military superiority, has fashioned itself as the lord of the world and as its moral head prefect. But its moral righteousness is never turned to the violations US presidents perpetrate. Mr Modi’s name will forever be implicated with the worst pogrom carried out in independent India. What is equally undeniable is that he is the elected chief minister of Gujarat. Nobody demands that the US government should respect Mr Modi as a person. The elected office Mr Modi holds is worthy of respect. Is that too much to expect from holier-than-thou Uncle Sam?
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 11:02 AM
http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=88026
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Text of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's statement in Rajya Sabha [India News]: New Delhi, March 19 : The following is the text of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's statement in Rajya Sabha Saturday on denial of a US visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi: "Mr. Chairman, Sir, I share the concern that has been expressed in this matter on all sides of the House. "When I came to know of the denial of visa to Shri Modi, yesterday, I immediately instructed our External Affairs Minister to call the US Ambassador and explain to them that we are greatly concerned and we greatly regret the decision that has been taken by the United States government. "Sir, the government has taken note of developments arising from the decision of the government of the United States of America to deny the request of the Chief Minister of Gujarat, Shri Narendra Modi, for a government visa. "The government is also greatly concerned at the further decision of the United States to revoke other categories of US visas already issued to Shri Modi. Honourable members of this august House would be aware of the fact that our foreign secretary yesterday summoned the deputy chief of the US mission in New Delhi to convey strong demarche on the decision of the US government. "Our government has clearly pointed out our very deep concern and regret over the US decision to deny a visa to a constitutionally elected chief minister of a state of our union. We have observed that this uncalled for decision be traced to a lack of sensitivity and due courtesy to an elected authority. "The US government has been clearly told of our concern at this development. We have also called for the urgent reconsideration of this decision by the US government. Mr. Chairman, Sir, the American Government has also been clearly informed that while we respect their sovereign right to grant or refuse visas to any person, we do not believe that it is appropriate to use allegations or anything less than due legal process to make a subjective judgement to question a constitutional authority in India. "Sir, we agree that this is not a matter of partisan politics, but rather a matter of concern of over a point of principle. I think, the Government's prompt and firm response clearly shows our principle stand in this matter. Thank you."
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 11:06 AM
http://www.indiaexpress.com/news/regional/maharashtra/20050320-0.html
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Denial of visa to Modi a blow to Indo-US relations: Advani 22.51 IST 20th Mar 2005 By Agencies BJP President L K Advani today said denial of diplomatic visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi was a "severe blow" to the relationship between the world's two powerful democracies. The diplomatic relations between India and the United States improved over the time with people from the two sides working to restore normalcy in relationship but denial of visa to Modi is a "severe blow" to the relationship, he told reporters in Nagpur after a function. Calling upon Washington to review its decision, Advani said "the Prime Minister (Manmohan Singh) in Parliament on Saturday appealed to the US administration to review its decision and they are expected to respect the appeal".
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 11:08 AM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1287630,0008.htm
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Invitation to Modi very much on: NRI hoteliers S Rajagopalan Washington, March 20, 2005|22:38 IST The Gujarati-dominated Asian American Hotel Owners Association AAHOA has categorically denied reports that it has cancelled the invitation to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi to be the chief guest at its convention in Florida this week. "The invitation is very much on. The news that has been circulated is completely wrong and baseless," AAHOA treasurer Danny Patel told the Hindustan Times on Sunday from Georgia, where he runs 14 hotels. If the US authorities fail to resolve the visa denial issue by March 24, when the hoteliers' three-day convention begins at Fort Lauderdale, Modi will address this meeting as well by video-conferencing, subject to technical feasibility. Refuting an agency report quoting hotelier Mike Patel as saying that the invitation to Modi has been cancelled, AAHOA vice-chairman Manhar P Rama said: "We have not withdrawn the invitation. We will like to have him here and address our members on investment opportunities in Gujarat and elsewhere in India." AAHOA office-bearers were emphatic that Mike Patel, a past chairman but an ordinary member, is not authorised to make statements on behalf of the 8,700-member body, 95 per cent of whom are of Gujarati stock. An adviser to the Bush administration on religious minorities, Mike Patel had reportedly claimed that the Gujaratis settled in the US had decided to stand by the administration on the visa issue. Modi, meanwhile, will partially beat the ban imposed on his travel by addressing an Indian American gathering in New York's Madison Square Garden via satellite. A giant screen at the 5,600 seat hall will enable the audience to "see and hear" Modi. The Association of Indians of North America (AINA), which is organising the event, said it still expects a good crowd this evening. The US action continues to draw mixed reaction from Indian American groups. Bodies like the AINA want the Bush administration to review its "shocking decision of denying visa to a democratically-elected Chief Minister". But other groups, like the Coalition Against Genocide, which had campaigned to bar Modi's entry, want the authorities to remain firm and resolute with their decision.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 11:28 AM
rajesh_g ,
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Invitation to Modi very much on: NRI hoteliers
For a minute I was also ashamed as an Indian origin and my great respect for Gujjus, but hey they are the BEST. They can never be anti-India. specool.gif
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 11:44 AM
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1057297.cmsAHMEDABAD: In a stinging attack on the US on Sunday, Gujarat CM Narendra Modi claimed that the Bush administration revoked his visa because it was perturbed about economic reasons like the fact that the "oil pipeline from Iran would pass through Gujarat" and because he had signed an MoU with gas-rich Astrakhan, a part of the erstwhile USSR. He said that the US was afraid all this would lead to Gujarat, and in turn India, becoming an economic power. Comparing himself to the Mahatma, Modi, in a thinly disguised attempt warned the US government by saying: "A man from Gujarat was thrown out of a train in South Africa. This led to a movement that overthrew the British empire. Modi added, let us pledge to work for such a day that an American would have to stand in line for entry into Gujarat. ROTFL.gif Modi's statement caused consternation in Ahmedabad, with analysts pointing out that five lakh Gujaratis lived and did business in the US. "The US is the mecca for a lot of Gujaratis. Baiting the US is not a good idea at all," said a top state industrialist. He wondered what PM Manmohan Singh would have to say to all this. Casting aspersions on the Bush administration, Modi said that the US' intelligence gathering skills were rather poor. "The WTC attack was a glaring example. The country was caught napping. The US is weilding the stick on selective information gathered by its network. It seems the same yardstick has been applied in my case," biggrin.gif said Modi.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 11:56 AM
Without commenting on other points raised by Shri Bose I would only like to comment on one aspect. When Shri Bose says ..
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The fact of the matter is that it is difficult to take seriously either the Bush Administration's pieties about the rights of religious minorities or Mr Modi's protestations about an insult to India and Gujarat. Both sides have little credibility or genuine claim to morality.
I think he fails to understand what nationalism is. This aint about politics, for better or for worse. While politics may have led to such position by different parties the issue is not about politics anymore. What is the US's position on international criminal courts ? Thats not morality - thats a nation protecting its citizens and trusting its own judicial processes to do what is right and not letting anybody else to lecture it on what is right and what is wrong.
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Not even a Modi-cum of sense Ajoy Bose The ironies of history never cease. The denial of a diplomatic visa by the Bush Administration to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on grounds of the latter's role in anti-Muslim pogroms some years ago is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. Indeed, the current pique between the two most hated figures in the Muslim world underlines the unpredictable and even absurd manner with which national and global events unfold. Consider the delightful paradox of the situation. United States President George Bush (junior) is widely despised by millions of Muslims across the world as a power crazed maniac bent on waging a crusade against Islam and Islamic countries. Most Muslims in this country see Mr Narendra Modi as the Indian incarnation of the US President sharing the latter's prejudice against Islam and its votaries. Both leaders have had outstanding success in using a lethal combine of religious evangelism and local chauvinism to score impressive electoral victories. In the aftermath of the Godhra carnage and the communal bloodbath that followed, Mr Modi managed to polarise Gujarat through Hindu jingoism paving the way for a sweeping triumph in the state Assembly polls. More recently, President Bush used similar tactics to get a second term in the White House. Yet, we now find the Bush Administration lecturing Mr Modi about violating religious freedom. It has used a clause in the US Immigration and Nationality Act to not only deny the Gujarat Chief Minister a diplomatic visa but also to cancel his existing tourist/business visa. Earlier, a resolution introduced in the US Congress lambasting him for "promoting attitudes of racial supremacy, racial hatred and the legacy of Nazism" accompanied by a vociferous campaign by local NGOs and pressure groups had built the case against Mr Narendra Modi. The Gujarat Chief Minister and the BJP are up in arms against the US decision. But not so long ago, it was the BJP and Hindu fundamentalist leaders like Mr Modi who were all praise for the Bush Administration as it turned American military might against Islamic countries and organisations in the aftermath of the jihadi attack on New York and Washington. There were many in the Sangh Parivar who were convinced that the toppling of the Taliban in Afghanistan followed by the dismantling of the Sadaam regime in Iraq were a logical outcome of the Samuel Huntington thesis of a global clash with the forces of Islam. Not surprisingly, the BJP and most leaders, more out of wishful thinking than anything else, had swiftly discovered an ideological bond with the George W Bush Administration. They lost no time in jumping on what was perceived as a global bandwagon against Islam. The previous Vajpayee Government moved closer and closer to Washington and even indicated a special relationship with Israel - quite a bit of these new power equations hinged on the perceived bias by these powers against Islam. The open snub to Mr Modi by the Bush Administration this week, therefore, has come as a rude awakening for the BJP. Even after being disappointed by Washington's steadfast refusal to antagonise Pakistan and its military regime, the BJP had nurtured hopes that this was just short-term tactics and there would be still scope in the future to make common cause against Islam. Unfortunately for the party, the move to blacklist one its most prominent leaders on the grounds of persecuting Muslims is far more difficult to stomach and should really provoke Sangh ideologues to reconsider their past theories. As for the Congress and the UPA Government, the US decision has placed them in a piquant situation. Despite portraying Mr Modi as a communal demon over the past several years, both the Government and party spokesmen have been forced to condemn the American action against him on the plea of injured national pride. Clearly, this is a transparent ploy to prevent the Gujarat Chief Minister and the BJP from seizing the moral high ground and making the controversy into a political issue concerning the prestige of the nation. Meanwhile, secularists are frankly dumbfounded at the turn of events. Having tarred both President Bush and Mr Modi with the same communal brush, they are now at a loss to take sides or positions. Although they have taken shelter behind mocking the BJP's past declared bias for the United States, they too are the victims of the same simplistic ideological assumptions about leaders and trends in the world. The fact of the matter is that it is difficult to take seriously either the Bush Administration's pieties about the rights of religious minorities or Mr Modi's protestations about an insult to India and Gujarat. Both sides have little credibility or genuine claim to morality. There has been enough evidence over the past few years to suggest the complete absence of principles in President Bush or Chief Minister Modi. The US Administration under President Bush and his predecessors have been known not only to open American shores to the worst kind of religious fundamentalists, dictators and those who have perpetrated genocide but actively nurture them. America's own track record of racial persecution and discrimination has been a dark stain on its history. It is also doubly ironic that Mr Modi has been blacklisted for persecuting Muslims by a nation where the same community has been consistently harassed after the jihadi attacks of 9/11 often with the thinly veiled support of local authorities. As for Mr Modi, the present controversy may come in handy in the short term if nothing else but to defuse the dissidence within the Gujarat unit of the BJP. It has also obviously allowed him the public limelight to spout of some of his favourite propaganda about discrimination against Hindus and the cussedness of Muslim pressure groups and NGOs. But this may well be a temporary advantage and Mr Narendra Modi's attempts to whip up jingoistic frenzy for a second time could come a cropper. After all, Gujaratis are a practical and money-minded people, quite a few of whom have financial stakes in the United States. The Gujarat Chief Minister may find his local support diminishing instead of increasing as realisation spreads about his inability to visit the land of plenty regardless of perceived injuries to national and local pride. In any case, it is difficult not to be cynical when the kettle and the pot get into a fight about who is brighter.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 12:03 PM
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Ugly America The Pioneer Edit Desk When Iraq's 'liberators' got post-invasion bad press throughout the globe, Americans asked why the US was "hated" in many parts of the world. Their well-wishers could have given them a clue. America carries a big stick; much of the planet has felt it. And it doesn't speak softly: It pontificates, but thinks it needn't practise what it preaches. Hyperpowerdom breeds arrogance (and dual standards). Arrogance breeds ignorance or, at best, half-baked ideas of how much of the world functions. America-from Woodrow Wilson to George Bush Jr-has told others about right conduct. But it doesn't let international norms and moral niceties stand in the way of its own interests. Is it any surprise Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi-whose business/tourist visa has been annulled and diplomatic visa denied by the US-has a good case against Uncle Sam? Thanks to the post-Godhra riots, he has been painted the devil incarnate by the world's most powerful nation. Ironically, that nation's rulers are dubbed 'war criminals' by critics of the Iraq conflict. America doesn't want to host a popularly elected leader and constitutional post-holder in the world's largest democracy. Yet it has propped and business-partnered brutal dictators-from Cuba's Fulgencio Batista and Chile's Augusto Pinochet to, wonder of wonders, the Butcher of Baghdad. Where the eagle landed, it didn't exactly spread democracy and human rights -think El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, the list goes on. It trained many a friendly regime's secret services in the third degree-think the Shah's Iran. When Indonesia butchered the East Timorese, the West armed it and the US looked the other away. When America rapped Saddam or the Taliban or Osama, people asked: Who created them? When it now leads the anti-terror war, terror victims often wonder why Pakistan and Saudi Arabia aren't part of the 'axis of evil'. Mr Modi may even demand total recall. 1968's My Lai massacre in Vietnam makes Iraq's Abu Ghraib shine-and the Gujarat riots pale-by comparison. Telling others not to pat the bomb, the US is the only country to ever nuke innocents, and to turn Hiroshima-Nagasaki into a moral argument! Yet the US's record isn't Mr Modi's best defence. It is that his own country's judicial processes have not indicted him. It appears the US doesn't respect its own laws-the one cited to justify Mr Modi's demonisation says anyone guilty of religious 'oppression' in the preceding 24 months is persona non grata. Since Godhra occurred in February 2002, the Modi ban would be thrown out by US law itself! And, given his popularity survives controversy, America has yet again shown contempt for public sentiments in other countries-in this case, Gujarat's decisive pro-Modi mandate. The US turns deaf to NGOs and activists championing Iraq, Kyoto, disarmament or grassroots struggles against the world's rich-poor divide. Yet it listens to shrill 'global citizens' of the Arundhati Roy-type, when Modi-bashing on purely subjective grounds. India may be politically divided over the Modi issue, but it stands united in saying that this debate is its own business: Leaders across the board spoke in one voice in the Rajya Sabha last week. Full marks to the UPA regime for lodging a strong protest against the US's no-entry to Mr Modi, and to the Prime Minister for urging the White House to reconsider. One hopes the political class will continue to display solidarity in future, against any external agency that insults this country's Constitution and passes unsolicited judgements on its elected representatives. India is a self-respecting democracy. Even the sole superpower cannot presume to overlook the fact.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 12:04 PM
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I think he fails to understand what nationalism is
Indoctrination which suggest them to be a part of global agend not towards its homeland.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 12:07 PM
http://www.sulekha.com/news/newsitem.aspx?cid=418925
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Sulekha -AID-ASHA trio welcomes US decision to revoke visa for Modi Mar 20, 2005 Sulekha Petitions Posted by Deaf Leopard The long suspected nexus between Sulekha,ASHA,AID and the maoists has once again come to the fore.Blindfolded by their newfound love for communist ideology and to please the large section of Indian American psec community Sulekha has posted a link on their home page welcoming the US decision to deny visa to Modiji.
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Modi denied US Visa. All Indians Welcome it. Do you?
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 12:20 PM
Rajesh_g, Any idea did Pitts met SD personally or he had just sent letter? No where in media we can find list of supporters. SD never make letter public.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 12:53 PM
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Mr. Modi’s administration has, according to both India ’s highest court and many international human rights groups, condoned terrible, violent crimes against religious minorities. This includes the 2002 riots in which 2,000 Indian Muslims and non-Hindus were killed by Hindu mobs. According to the Hindustan Times, minorities in Gujarat are threatened with questions like, "Would you like to live as Hindus or die like Christians?"
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 01:28 PM
Mudy I think Conyers and Pitts have tabled a legislation. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r109:FLD001:H01621
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By Mr. CONYERS (for himself and Mr. PITTS): H. Res. 160. A resolution condemning the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for his actions to incite religious persecution and urging the United States to condemn all violations of religious freedom in India; to the Committee on International Relations.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:58:./temp/~bdDbU6:: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:57:./temp/~bdhpa0:: from which the text is..
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Condemning the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for his actions to incite religious persecution and urging the United States to condemn all violations of religious freedom in... (Introduced in House) HRES 156 IH 109th CONGRESS 1st Session H. RES. 156 Condemning the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for his actions to incite religious persecution and urging the United States to condemn all violations of religious freedom in India. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES March 15, 2005 Mr. CONYERS submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations RESOLUTION Condemning the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for his actions to incite religious persecution and urging the United States to condemn all violations of religious freedom in India. Whereas India is the largest democracy in the world, with a Constitution that protects religious freedom and the fundamental rights of all citizens; Whereas the United States appreciates the commitment of India's present government to preserving pluralism and religious diversity in India; Whereas Narendra Modi is the Chief Minister of Gujarat, a Western Indian state, and a member of a Hindu religious party known as the `Baratiya Janata Party' (BJP), who is responsible for the law and order and all administrative work within the Gujarat state; Whereas the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) has confirmed in its May 2004 report that since the political party of Chief Minister Modi took office in 1998, there have been `hundreds of attacks on Christian leaders, worshipers, and churches throughout India,' including killings, torture, rape and harassment of church staff, destruction of church property, and disruption of church events; Whereas the USCIRF has confirmed in its May 2004 report that the state government in Gujarat led by Chief Minister Modi has been widely accused of being reluctant to bring the perpetrators of the killings of Muslims and non-Hindus to justice; Whereas the Supreme Court of India has reported that those arrested in connection with the bombings and retaliatory attacks on Hindus in India have claimed that they carried out their actions `in revenge for the state-assisted killings of Muslims in Gujarat'; Whereas the Supreme Court of India has admonished Chief Minister Modi and other government authorities in the State of Gujarat for their complacency and actions in connection with the attacks on non-Hindu groups; Whereas India's National Human Rights Commission, an official body, found evidence of premeditation in the killings of non-Hindu groups, complicity by Gujarat state government officials, and police inaction in the midst of attacks on Muslims and Christians in India; Whereas the United States Department of State has discussed in one of its reports the role of Chief Minister Modi and his government in promoting attitudes of racial supremacy, racial hatred, and the legacy of Nazism through his government's support of school textbooks in which Nazism is glorified; Whereas the United States Department of State has found that Chief Minister Modi revised the text of high school social studies textbooks in Gujarat schools to describe the `charismatic personality' of `Hitler the Supremo', and the `achievements' of Nazism at great length, while failing to acknowledge the Nazi extermination policies, the concentration camps, and the religious persecution that occurred under the Nazi regime; Whereas in section 2(2) of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 (22 U.S.C. 6401(2)), Congress made the following finding: `Freedom of religious belief and practice is a universal human right and fundamental freedom articulated in numerous international instruments, including the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Helsinki Accords, the Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief, the United Nations Charter, and the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms'; and Whereas such conduct by such a high ranking foreign official undermines internationally recognized fundamental human rights and the directives of Congress under the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998: Now therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives-- (1) condemns the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for condoning or inciting bigotry and intolerance against any religious group in India, including people of the Christian and Islamic faiths; and (2) urges the United States-- (A) to condemn violations of religious freedom; and (B) to promote and assist other governments in the promotion of the fundamental right to freedom of religion.
Thats all I have been able to find so far. I am new at this so dont know who those 21 congressmen are - paki caucus ? india caucus ? both ?
Posted by: k.ram Mar 20 2005, 01:45 PM
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/002/11.66.html
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Opportunity of a Generation Five issues will test the strength and unity of Christian conservatives in the new term. By Tony Carnes | posted 01/20/2005 09:00 a.m. Record ticket sales by the Traditional Values Coalition and other Christian groups to their January presidential inaugural ball reflect the enthusiasm and resolve of Christian conservatives to claim their piece of Washington, D.C. They want to know: What has victory wrought? Conservative Christian leaders say their winning role in the November elections means that they have the most clout in a generation. Rep. Joe Pitts, R-Penn., co-head of a congressional caucus promoting values legislation, says, "We have an opportunity like we have never had before in my lifetime." blink.gif Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, surveys the political map and sees "the best convergence of forces at least in a generation." "We're on a roll," says Richard Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals.
Posted by: acharya Mar 20 2005, 02:59 PM
http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.com/2005/03/modi-affair-sums-up-predicament-of.html The Modi affair sums up the predicament of the entire Indian-American predicament Contents: =========================================== * The Modi affair sums up the predicament of the entire Indian-American predicament * Indian American led-commission had advised against Modi visit * ‘It is an insult to the Indian Constitution’ * 'US wants religious freedom, so denied visa to Modi'
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 03:28 PM
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/03/21/stories/2005032100650800.htm
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US insensitivity B. S. Raghavan I AM not going into the diplomatic contretemps over the refusal of visa by the US to the Chief Minister of Gujarat, Mr Narendra Modi. We can safely leave it to the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, to handle that with firmness and finesse. It is paradoxical, however, that a country like the US, with its commitment to democracy, bill of rights and due process, and such great achievements to its credit in a variety of fields, should also suffer from insensitivity and intolerance, fouling up relations with other countries. Its bad-mouthing of France and Germany and the boycott of French fries and German lager simply because those two countries had expressed themselves against the illegal invasion of Iraq still rankles in the memory of the people of those countries. There is no explanation — other than that of a casual and insouciant approach to the susceptibilities of even friendly countries — for the previous Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, while on an official visit to India, keeping the Indian Government in the dark about conferring the status of putative NATO-member on Pakistan. Another such episode that has faded from public consciousness dates back to the late 1960s. The American aggression against Viet Nam was at its height, with the US military ruthlessly committing unspeakable horrors against the people, including the use of napalm bombs. The then Prime Minister, Lal Bahadur Shastri, who had earlier been invited by the US President, Lyndon Johnson, could not contain himself and spoke out against the war. Johnson not only promptly cancelled the invitation but imposed an embargo on shipments of wheat to India which was in the throes of a famine. The habit of the US Administration and lawmakers to incorporate in their domestic laws provisions unilaterally binding other countries to its own preferred policies on pain of reprisals of various kinds is also a manifestation of the arrogance of power. The itch at a pinch to throw its weight about has always been America's weakness. This has become worse in the absence of the restraining effect exercised by the now defunct Soviet Union. The governing class in the US needs to remind itself that the really strong do not need to keep flailing their arms or flexing their muscles to demonstrate it.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 03:29 PM
http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=03215
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Not America’s Business EDITORIAL EVEN while Phase II of the Next Steps in Strategic Partnership (NSSP) for improving bilateral relations between India and America is yet to unfold, the US state department’s decision to deny diplomatic visa to the Gujarat Chief Minister, Mr Narendra Modi, has come as a sad development. It is still not clear what persuaded the Bush administration to violate the diplomatic norms and not allow Mr Modi to go to the US for participating at the meetings of Association of Indians of North America (AINA). The deputy spokesman of the US state department has come out with a clarification that the visa was denied on the basis of the findings of the National Human Rights Commission which had charged him with violation of religious freedom and failure to control violation of rights. But the clarification is not plausible, as Mr Modi was not convicted for those charges.Moreover he got elected to the Gujarat assembly. He is a people’s representative and has been holding the post of the Chief Minister, a constitutional office. The entire episode speaks volumes of the hypocrisy of the United States foreign policy. Though the persons and organisations lobbying for refusal of visa to Mr Modi might feel elated at the development, there is no denying the fact that this move of the Bush administration is a direct interference in the internal affairs of India, and nothing less than that. In fact when the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh said in the Rajya Sabha that “The US decision to deny visa to the Gujarat Chief Minister was uncalled for and a subjective judgment on allegations against a constitutional authority,” he was not only speaking the mind of the government of India but ventilating the feelings of the average Indian. As Dr Singh said, it was not appropriate to use allegations or anything less than due legal process to make a subjective judgment to question a constitutional authority in India. The normal courtesy demanded that the US state department, at least for the sake of diplomatic norms, should have contacted and consulted the government of India and sounded them on the grounds on which they thought they could not grant Mr Modi the visa. The Bush administration has in fact helped Mr Modi by denying him the visa; the denial has turned India’s most controversial politician into a martyr; it has put Mr Modi in the limelight and put the Congress-led UPA government in a humiliating situation. Obviously after this incident, which is being opposed by every party, including the left parties, Mr Modi would stand to gain politically. The Bush administration has questioned the integrity of Mr Modi. But the US state department must know that they are not the conscience-keepers of the world; they have no right to judge others on human rights when the US itself did not have an exemplary record. If Mr Modi has been responsible for Gujarat pogrom, what about Gen Pervez Musharraf? Is it not a fact that Gen Musharraf is responsible for killing of thousands of innocent persons in Kashmir? The international fraternity knows it and the Bush administration has also accepted the fact that Pakistan under Gen Musharraf had been encouraging insurgency in Kashmir. Why was then a man, who sponsored terrorism against India, welcomed in the USA? It is possible that the US state department is sending another message to government of India: in the recent months, India has voiced independent stances on tsunami relief and India-Iran oil pipeline. The Bush administration might be using the Modi issue to humiliate India at the instance of the anti-India lobby. This cannot be called a fair game if Mr Bush is interested in improving the bilateral relations. What is however more significant is that after the Gujarat pogrom, Mr Modi had visited some of the countries which are allies of America but no country ever raised this issue. There is yet another aspect of the controversy: the US state department could not have come to know of Mr Modi’s visit only after he applied for visa. AINA is a well-organised forum having deep interest in American politics. If at all the Bush administration was not inclined to grant him the visa, the officials of the Bush administration should have cautioned the AINA. But it did not do so. The role of the State during the Gujarat riots, and the role of Mr Modi in particular as Chief Minister, will remain under the scanner of the democratic institutions, like the judiciary, legislature and the media in the country. Crimes against one section of people by another section of people, who were allegedly encouraged by the State, cannot be condoned. Yet, that part of the Modi affair is none of America’s business. The US must at once reconsider its decision and allow Mr Modi to visit the country.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 03:31 PM
While all pro-india people, irrespective of the difference of opinion with Modi or party affiliations have flayed the unilateral degradation of relations initiated by the US it is becoming more and more obvious that the only people who are welcoming this decision have been anti-India rascals. Khalistanis cant hide their glee. http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=287218
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MODI-MANN Mann hails US denial of visa to Modi PHAGWARA, MAR 19 (PTI) Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) President and former MP Simranjit Singh Mann today hailed as "historic and laudable" the denial by the US Embassy of diplomatic visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. In a statement issued here today, Mann declared that his party would write an "appreciation letter" to American government soon for taking this "appropriate step". He flayed UPA government for raising unnecessary hue and cry over the issue to "save its own skin". "The government has Ministers and MPs who are also responsible for genocide of Sikhs in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in Delhi. Thus UPA was apprehensive lest Modi's yardastick should be applied to them", he claimed. Mann alleged that the BJP and Sangh Parivar pursued policies of "wiping out religious minorities including Muslims and Sikhs". "USA's denial of visa to a rabid communalist like Modi has put an international stamp over his misdeeds", the statement issued from the party office here said quoting Mann.
Posted by: Viren Mar 20 2005, 03:55 PM
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Invitation to Modi very much on: NRI hoteliers
Then who's the Mike Patel quoted in the Rediff article from Saturday? dry.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 03:56 PM
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AAHOA office-bearers were emphatic that Mike Patel, a past chairman but an ordinary member, is not authorised to make statements on behalf of the 8,700-member body, 95 per cent of whom are of Gujarati stock.
Posted by: agnivayu Mar 20 2005, 04:36 PM
Although it may not seem like it, this whole process is a good thing. Denying him a visa has stirred the pot and brought out lot's of things into the open. This might be a rallying cry for the Hindu Nationalists to regroup. Modi should be elected Prime Minister of India soon, it will make these happy monkeys look like morons. Modi is a democratically elected leader, a visa denial is tantamount to spitting on the Indian Race.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 04:52 PM
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more obvious that the only people who are welcoming this decision have been anti-India rascals. Khalistanis cant hide their glee.
They are Pakis mouthpiece and greedy about Green Card, rest India goes to hell. These statements bring funds from Kanada and Vilayat-south hall.
Posted by: shyam Mar 20 2005, 06:36 PM
Indian govt ought to set a deadline for waiting for the reconsideration of visa. If there is no or negative response, it ought to do a diplomatic quid pro quo. Only then we can say Congree/Commie govt is serious about tackling negative diplomatic actions by countries. What stops other silly countries from doing similar snubs at elected Indian officials or Indian diplomats. From the angle of other countries following similar actions, there are long-term implications should the India govt is seen as lame-duck on this issue.
Posted by: k.ram Mar 20 2005, 07:10 PM
http://www.indiacause.com/columns/OL_050320.htm
Posted by: Hauma Hamiddha Mar 20 2005, 07:43 PM
One cannot rule out a complex ploy by the US decision-makers (the inner circle). Note the following carefully: 1) Many of the people on these "human rights" organizations have ties with neocons (ironic but true). 2) The core neocons have this remarkable love for Pakistan as evidenced by their deft use of 9-11 to prop up TSP ignore its blazing role and go Eye-raq. 3) The neocons are closely allied with or plainly cthe major media outlets, which have revved-up a concerted anti-Hindu campaign in the past year or so with sepoys or their own hachetmen. 4) They say that the cold war is over, but Russia is persistantly target for down-sizing by the US. Note the consistent pro-Chechen despite their atrocities. 5) Given that the cold war is not really over India is treated exactly the way it was during the cold war. Hindus have a problem- they are very gullible and talk in terms of "friends" rather than interests while refering to international politics. Hindus have low level of unity in addition. The only thing that can counter this negatives is the might force of Hindu nationalism: 1) It is the true and only unifying spirit of the entity called India. 2) If it expresses itself it can transform India into potent competitor for the Anglsphere and the Leukosphere nations. 3) Its religious and ideological constructs are more ancient, more consistent and more robust than the ideological props of the west. It is a real alternative to all western models and can challenge them seriously. Given that the older intellectual layers of the west- ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt were ideological very close to India, it is possible for Indic thought to cleanse the west of the current ideological cobwebs. I suspect that the guardians of current ideological constructs in the Leukosphere (who disguise it in words like democracy) have seen the real nature of the Indian threat and are acting preemptively. They need a good handle to demonize the Hindus and make them targets for preemptive action. So, they will incite Hindus through deviced like the Modi incident into acts of "anti-Americanism". This will give them a good excuse then to get down to serious action against the Hindus. As I see it there are only two paths that can play out in the ultimate future: 1) India continues to remain inconsequential and thereby easily trod over by the Leukosphere: we remain meek as grass. 2) India develops further and has a direct confrontation with the Leukosphere. as they say: " Just as there can be only one sword in a scabbard, there can only be either indra or vR^itra"
Posted by: k.ram Mar 20 2005, 07:53 PM
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The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate PRESS RELEASE Date/Time: Sunday, March 20, 2005 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Modi Visa not India's Pride! Stop RSS Mission to Regain Lost Political Ground! The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate Calls for Popular Resistance to the Funding of Violent, Sectarian Hindutva India Must Probe Moneys Flowing into India Under the Guise of Charity, says CSFH NEW YORK and SAN FRANCISCO: The Campaign to Stop Funding Hate (CSFH), part of the network of 38 organizations that came together as the Coalition Against Genocide (CAG) to carry on a sustained, month-long resistance to Narendra Modi's visit to the U.S., calls on all Americans, especially those tracing their ancestry to India, to respond to the new awareness against funding the politics of hate and ethnic/communal violence. CSFH denounces attempts by politicians in India to characterize the revocation of Mr. Modi's visa by the U.S. as a blow to India's national pride. Instead, CSFH considers the action of the U.S. State Department in declaring Mr. Modi inadmissible to the U.S. as a show of support for groups working for social justice in India, as well as for those in the United States who were appalled by the anti-minority carnage engineered by the forces of Hindutva ("Hindutva" is a fascism-inspired worldview advocated by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a violent, sectarian organization dedicated to overthrowing the secular, democratic state and establishing a Hindu theocracy in India) in Gujarat in early 2002, and have since organized and campaigned against Hindutva's fund- raising networks and political alliances in the United States. The cancellation of Mr. Modi’s visit is a serious blow to the attempts by the Sangh Parivar (the Sangh Parivar, usually just called the "Sangh," is the family of Hindutva organizations spawned and controlled by the RSS in India, and has a widespread network of supporters and front organizations operating in the United States and United Kingdom. The BJP, Mr. Modi's political party, is the parliamentary front of the Sangh Parivar) to regain the political, ideological and monetary support it lost in the U.S. after engineering the anti-minority pogroms in Gujarat in early 2002. Mr. Modi, as a leader of the Sangh Parivar and the Chief Minister of Gujarat then and now, provided active support to the Sangh Parivar mobs, and has since used the machinery of the state not only to obstruct attempts to rehabilitate the victims and to bring the perpetrators to justice, but also to continually harass and threaten the Christian and Muslim minorities in Gujarat. Hence, the recognition by the Bush administration of Mr. Modi's culpability for his crimes against humanity is heartening to those who love India. CSFH calls on the Indian government to not lag behind human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, who have all pointed to the funds raised by the Sangh Parivar from the Indian diaspora as a major source of funding for the criminal activities of Mr. Modi and his Sangh Parivar brethren, and to begin its own inquiry into their fund-raising pipelines from the U.S. to India. Extensive documentation on the Sangh’s fund-raising activities in the U.S. has been made available by CSFH on its website . In the last few weeks, CSFH has coordinated and organized multiple forms of resistance against the corporate sponsors of Mr. Modi. In the wake of the U.S. state department’s dual-action of denying a diplomatic visa to Mr. Modi and simultaneously revoking the tourist & business visa originally granted to him in 1998, CSFH calls for a larger movement to weed out Hindutva and to expose its infiltration of educational institutions, ethno-social groups, religious organizations and corporations in America. "The Sangh may have been politically marginalized for the moment in the U.S. and in India, but its capacity for hatred is unbounded and we cannot slacken our efforts to challenge, expose and terminate their funding flows," said CSFH spokesperson Girish Agrawal, and added that "This is a unique moment to hold the Sangh responsible for its devious methods of garnering ideological support and raising funds in the U.S." CSFH notes that in revoking Narendra Modi's permission to visit the U.S., the state department cited a section of U.S. laws that are gathered together as "Criminal Grounds of Inadmissibility" under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). This should be a powerful warning, of their own potential culpability, to all organizations and individuals who invited Mr. Modi and were planning on sponsoring events or hosting him or providing him a venue to speak. This list includes not only the Asian American Hotel Owners Association (AAHOA), whose members collectively represent a plurality of hotel properties in the U.S., the primary movers behind Mr. Modi's planned visit, but also American Express, which is a sponsor of the AAHOA forum where Mr. Modi was to speak. CSFH is appalled to see that a respected university in California had also planned on honoring Narendra Modi, by having him inaugurate, of all things, a centre for India studies. This act by the California State University, Long Beach, is akin to inviting a Nazi to inaugurate a Jewish studies center. Mr. Modi's now cancelled visit to the U.S. was planned by the Sangh Parivar as part of its strategy to rehabilitate Hindutva in the U.S. following its rejection by the electorate in India, and to oil its funding pipelines from the Indian diaspora in the United States. To tests the waters, the RSS had earlier sent out its spokesman Ram Madhav on a tour of the U.S. CSFH had mounted a campaign of protests against that visit, resulting in a serious ideological setback for the Sangh in the U.S. Mr. Madhav spent his time in the U.S. trying to paint a rosy picture of the Sangh and touting its strong connections on Capitol Hill, but in the wake of the revocation of Mr. Modi’s visa, both he and Mr. Modi seem to have forgotten all their professions of friendship towards the U.S. Reacting to the revocation of Mr. Modi's visa, Mr. Madhav questioned the right of the United States to talk about human rights violations: "Who is the US to talk about human rights violations? What is happening in Iraq? What is happening in Afghanistan?" Mr. Modi and Mr. Madhav have spent the last two days giving incendiary anti-American speeches, resulting in Sangh Parivar mobs attacking American businesses and consular offices in Gujarat. Where basic moral and ethical considerations did not move them, the leadership of AAHOA has now withdrawn its invitation to Mr. Modi, frightened by the potential fall-out of the Sangh Parivar's violent display of anti-Americanism, including burning the American flag and burning President Bush in effigy, on their members' usinesses, most of whom operate small hotel properties, and on the immigration prospects of their family members in Gujarat. CSFH urges the AAHOA membership to ask its leadership to either publicly renounce their financial and ideological support of the Sangh Parivar, or failing that, to step down and let the organization return to its function of representing the business interests of its membership. CSFH also asks that the AAHOA find a way to apologize for having dishonored the memory of the victims of the 2002 pogroms by inviting one of the chief architects of the massacre to be its guest of honor. CSFH considers the determination by the state department that Mr. Modi is inadmissible to the U.S. on grounds of criminality as a clear victory for supporters of human rights and justice in the U.S. and in India. It sends a clear message that perpetrators of religious and political persecution can be held accountable for their actions through dedicated work and through international alliances for social justice. Indian and U.S. groups share a long, common tradition of battling for human rights, and securing justice for the oppressed that CSFH and its partners in the Coalition Against Genocide will continue to build on.
Posted by: k.ram Mar 20 2005, 07:55 PM
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BJP informed beforehand By Our Diplomatic Correspondent NEW DELHI, MARCH 19. It is learnt that the U.S. Embassy had conveyed to the BJP president, L.K. Advani, its decision to deny a visa to the Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, two or three days ago. Since then, the former External Affairs Minister, Yashwant Sinha, is reported to have been in touch with the Embassy on the issue. Given that the BJP had advance information, its silence until after the visa denial became public knowledge today would appear to be an attempt to make political capital out of the issue. Addressing a press conference on Friday, Mr. Sinha admitted that the Americans had conveyed their decision to deny Mr. Modi a visa separately to the BJP. He did not, however, say when this had been conveyed to the party.
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We are not concerned, says CPI(M) By Our Special Correspondent NEW DELHI, MARCH 19. The U.S. move to refuse diplomatic visa to the Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi has evoked a mixed response among political parties. The Communist Party of India (Marxist) said: "We are not concerned. As for Narendra Modi, everybody in India was aware that as the Chief Minister, he had initiated a State-sponsored pogrom in Gujarat and today the world knows it." The CPI(M) Polit Bureau member, Prakash Karat, said the BJP has been the greatest pro-American party and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad leader, Praveen Togadia, had hailed the U.S. President, George Bush as "our hero." The Revolutionary Socialist Party was of the view that while the "genocide" in Gujarat during Mr. Modi's regime is known, Washington had no business to interfere in India's domestic issues. It said the Bush administration could not talk of human rights violations considering its own track record in Iraq. The party MP, Abani Roy, was critical of the BJP stating that when it headed the Government at the Centre, both the then Prime Minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, and the Deputy Prime Minister, L.K. Advani, kept quiet when their Cabinet colleague and National Democratic Alliance convener, George Fernandes, was strip searched in the United States. On the other hand, the All-India Forward Bloc secretary, G. Devarajan, said the manner in which the U.S. acted was not acceptable to the party. At the same time, he said, the BJP leadership should learn a lesson from the incident and see how the United States was maligning the image of the country. The All-India Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat was of the view that the refusal of visa to Mr. Modi did not constitute any insult to the Government or the people of India. In a statement, the Mushawarat president, Syed Shahabuddin, expressed satisfaction over the refusal of diplomatic visa to Mr. Modi and said the move shows that the world "has not forgotten the Gujarat genocide." "The secular and liberal forces in India and abroad hold Mr. Modi personally guilty of complicity in the carnage organised by the forces close to his party with the direct support of his Government, its bureaucracy and police... the refusal does not make Modi a martyr to India's honour but shows how grievously he has tarnished the world image of our country," it said. http://www.hindu.com
Posted by: Viren Mar 20 2005, 08:26 PM
From the CSFH report
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What is happening in Afghanistan?" Mr. Modi and Mr. Madhav have spent the last two days giving incendiary anti-American speeches, resulting in Sangh Parivar mobs attacking American businesses and consular offices in Gujarat.
Are there US consular offices in Gujarat or as usual the liars are doing what they are good at? I thought Mumbai Consular office covered Gujarat. Anyone?
Posted by: acharya Mar 20 2005, 08:39 PM
Rhis paper puts together various details to outline how this deplorable decision by the State Department came about and builds a long-term approach to dealing with Islamic fascism that is at the root of this. Muslims from India, the usual villains! A picture is emerging about the coalitions that have been working to bar Modi from entering the United States. At the centre of this lies the prominent American groups representing the Muslims from India. The groups are sponsored and aided by Pakistan and its expatriates within America and likely bankrolled by Saudi Arabia. They all see it as a must to discredit and dethrone Modi. They realize that only a visionary leader such as Modi can stop and reverse the ongoing jihad sponsored by them that is geared towards destroying India and extend Islam’s fascist frontiers. While realizing that Muslim groups in America have lost considerable credibility after 9/11 attacks, they have worked to develop a false and fraudulent portrayal of Christians being systematically attacked and marginalized in Modi’s Gujarat in the minds of evangelical American Christians, with strong links to the corridors of American power. Few years ago, an Indian Muslim fundamentalist group with links to Pakistan, Deedar Anjuman, even bombed some Churches in India and tried to unsuccessfully blame Hindus.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 20 2005, 08:52 PM
From a high level attendee ---------- The Full capacity at the Madison Square Gardens was 5600 Despite the last minute confusion 5000 showed up This 5000 included hindus and sikhs and jains from all parts of India This was a pan-hindu event rather than a Gujurati Event As against the 5000 hindu attendees, there were 50 commies and islamists with protest banners outside Local Indian news media was present, but probably they will put a negative spin on it Based on the American Express withdrawal, many members of AAHOA decided to cancel American Express and have a public card cutting at Madison Square Gardens When American Express heard this, they swiftly apologised abjectly Overall the meeting went off excellently with an overall hindu ethos There will be a similar Videoconference at the AAHOA meeting in a few days and we expect that it will also be a grand success Shri Modi came through in flying colors and made an excellent presentation and an excellent Question Answer Session G.S
Posted by: narayanan Mar 20 2005, 08:52 PM
Acharya, pls reduce the font of these rants. This came in the email: contains some interesting points of fact.
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INDIA AWARENESS FOUNDATION .... March 20, 2005 Dear Mr. President, As US citizens of Indian origin, we are outraged and appalled by the US government’s decision on March 17, 2005 to not only deny Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi a diplomatic visa, but also to revoke his pre-existing tourist/business visa. Mr. Modi was denied/(cancelled) by the US State Department US Visa under “the section 212(a)(2))(G) of the US Immigration and Nationality Act which prohibits the admission to the US of any foreign Government official responsible to serious violations of the religion freedom”. The specific section cited actually states: “Any alien who, while serving as a foreign Government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time during the preceding 24-month period, particularly severe violations of religious freedom, as defined in Section 3 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, and the spouse and children, if any, are inadmissible.” The premeditated and provocative Godhra massacre of gruesomely killing and burning alive 58 innocent Hindu pilgrims, mainly women and children, by more than 2000 fundamentalist Islamists by setting a train compartment on fire in the early morning and the subsequent riots happened during the last days of February and early March of 2002, almost 36 months ago. This means that the State Department has violated the above stated American Law for not allowing Mr. Modi the entry into US because not 24 months but 36 months have lapsed since the above event. Notwithstanding the wrongful application of this US Law by the State Department, Mr. Modi, constitutionally elected in the world’s largest democracy, has neither been charged with nor found guilty of being “responsible for or (having) directly carried out particularly severe violations of religious freedom” by any court of law in India. Even the Justices Nanavati-Shah Commission of inquiry has not yet submitted its report. Under the circumstances, we respectfully demand a thorough investigation of this diplomatic snafu and request you to grant Mr. Modi a diplomatic visa and return his tourist/business visa immediately. In this connection, we also like to bring to your attention that several organizations linked to fundamentalist Islamists, Jihadis and the Marxists/leftists operating in USA have launched a virulent and malicious hateful campaign against Mr. Modi. Needlessly, US Congressman Joe Pitts added fuel to fire by asking the State Department to deny visa to Mr. Modi. His letter is filled with innuendoes, half truths, and epitomizes blatant disregard for facts on the 2002 Gujarat riots and Mr. Modi’s actions in response to those riots. While we condemn violence of any kind, we are irate at the gross misrepresentation of facts presented in Congressman Pitts’ letter. Congressman Pitts has undermined the healthy growth of friendly relations between USA and India. Some of the wild allegations made by Congressman Pitts cannot stand to scrutiny. Congressman Pitts repeatedly accuses Mr. Modi of permitting violence. The results of The Council of International Affairs and Human Rights investigation exonerate Mr. Modi of this accusation and clearly demonstrate that Mr. Modi acted quickly and effectively to stop the violence. The riots flared up on February 27 and it became apparent that the police were outnumbered by the mobs. The following day, Mr. Modi urgently requested the assistance of the Indian army, which was stationed at the India-Pakistan border. Despite the border tensions, one brigade of the Indian army landed in Gujarat in less than 24 hours. A second brigade was deployed by March 1. Historically, it is a well known fact that once the mob frenzy starts, it takes some time for the executive authorities to control such riots. The LA riots were brought under control only after several days even though entire state machinery was used to put them down. Furthermore, contrary to Congressman Pitts’ allegations that Mr. Modi incited additional violence against Muslims, the Gujarat state police rescued nearly 10,000 Muslims within the first few days and the government made arrangements for Muslim prayers on Friday. Nearly 6,000 Muslim pilgrims who were returning to Gujarat from Haj were provided full protection on their journey for 12 days. More Hindus, not Muslims, died in the first few days of the riot from police firing. Moreover, it is necessary to once again correct Congressman Pitts’ fact regarding the Indian Supreme Court’s order to reopen of all 2000 riot cases. The Supreme Court has only ordered the reopening of only a few cases. As a matter of fact, in Best Bakery case, the main witness “ Zaheera was declared hostile on December 21 last year by a special court after she went back on her statement given to the police. This followed her statements given in Vadodara that she had been threatened by her mentor and activist Teesta Setalvad” (head of two anti-Hindu communist organizations, Sabrang and Communalism Combat). “Zaheera said she was asked by Ms Setalvad to make allegations of pressure while deposing during the trial in Vadodara.” (The Economic Times, March 12, 2005) (Http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/997129.cms) Congressman Pitt’s allegations about promotion of ‘racial supremacy, racial hatred and legacy of Nazism’ through a high school text book by Narendra Modi and his government are factually incorrect and highly misleading. “The fact, on the other hand, is that the book was prepared, published and enlisted as a prescribed textbook in 1992 when neither Mr Modi nor the BJP was anywhere near power in Gujarat which was then ruled by the Congress. Mr Modi, on becoming Chief Minister, had this particular textbook removed from the list of prescribed schoolbooks”(Kanchan Gupta, Pioneer, 3/20/05). Another wild allegation of Congressman Pitts about harassment of the Christian community in the state by Mr. Modi does not stand to scrutiny. The truth is that many of these Christian organizations are involved in proselytizing of peace loving tribal Hindus by deceptive practices not only in Gujarat but in other Indian states which create conflicts between them and the Christians. No sovereign state can allow such blatant misuse of freedom by external disruptive forces supported and financed from abroad. The State Department has used the findings of fact by the Indian NHRC (National Human Rights Commission) as authority in rejecting the diplomatic visa and canceling the existing tourist/business visa of Mr. Modi. NHRC reports are not legally binding and are subject to judicial scrutiny. Surprisingly, the same State Department has ignored NHRC’s reports on countries promoting cross-border terrorism that violets human rights of Indians. How is that the State Department does not take into consideration the Human Rights Watch’s denunciation of countries such as Saudi Arabia and China while granting diplomatic visas to these countries’ leaders? Human Rights Watch clearly states that “human rights violations are pervasive in Saudi Arabia…arbitrary detention, mistreatment and torture of detainees, restrictions on freedom of movement, and lack of official accountability remain serious concerns”. In regards to China, Human Rights Watch writes that China “remains a highly repressive state” and continuously violates “rights to free expression, association and assembly, religion and belief [and] repress[es] minorities in Tibet, Xinjiang, and Inner Mongolia.” How, then, did the State Department justify denying the democratically elected chief minister, Mr. Modi a visa while permitting Saudi Princes and Chinese ministers to enter the US? President Clinton’s autobiography has clearly recorded that President Mushraff of Pakistan was responsible for starting the brutal Kargill war in Jammu & Kashmir region which could have resulted in a nuclear holocaust on the Indian subcontinent. Besides, there are still a quarter million Kashmiri Hindus rendered homeless and living in refugee camps in India due to proxy terrorism conducted by the Pakistani government across the border and yet President Musharaff travels back and forth to USA as US State guest. The great nationalist leader of Israel, Mr. Arial Sharon was branded several years ago by the world media as a ‘butcher of Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon’ and yet the State Department has never denied him US Visa. How come the State Department has not used the same law against Mr. Gary Adams of IRA, a known persecutor of a religious people of Ireland, in granting US visa? We consider the highhanded erroneous decision of the Sate Department in denying entry to Mr. Modi into US smacks of hypocrisy and double standards by USA which will seriously effect the US-Indo relations for a long time to come. There are approximately 2 million Indian Americans who have made outstanding and significant contributions towards the progress of America. They have excelled in space, information technology, medicine, science, engineering, finance, education, business and many other fields. This senseless action by the US State Department has angered this important component of US citizenry. Such wounds take a long to heel and thus it is imperative that corrective and redemptive actions are set in place immediately. We the American citizens of the Indian origin once again urge you to immediately reinstate his visa so that he can travel in USA with respect and dignity. Thanking you, Sincerely, xxxxxx President, India Awareness Foundation CC: Dr. Condoleezza Rice, US State Department Mr. Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 08:57 PM
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From the CSFH report
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What is happening in Afghanistan?" Mr. Modi and Mr. Madhav have spent the last two days giving incendiary anti-American speeches, resulting in Sangh Parivar mobs attacking American businesses and consular offices in Gujarat.
Are there US consular offices in Gujarat or as usual the liars are doing what they are good at? I thought Mumbai Consular office covered Gujarat. Anyone?
There isnt.. From http://www.house.gov/pitts/press/releases/050318r-modi.htm
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“On March 18, 2005 the Government of the United States revoked a visa held by the Chief Minister of Gujarat pursuant to section 212(a)(2)(G) of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act which prohibits the admission to the United States of any foreign government official believed to have responsibility for serious violations of religious freedom. Although the U.S. Government has no information regarding any specific activity that may be directed toward the U.S. Government or American citizens as a result of this decision, there is the possibility of an increase in anti-American sentiment, potentially resulting in demonstrations or other actions expressing hostility to U.S. Government policy or to American citizens. Such demonstrations could occur spontaneously and pose risks to travelers' personal safety as well as disrupt transportation systems and city services. In response to such events, Indian authorities occasionally impose curfews and/or restrict travel. As a precaution, the U.S. Foreign Commercial Service office in Ahmedabad, Gujarat has temporarily closed. U.S. citizens traveling in or residing in India are urged to keep abreast of news reports regarding reaction to the U.S. Government's decision and to avoid any area in which demonstrations may arise.”
In short they dont have a consulate in Abad. And I have never heard about "commercial service office" which is also just psyops by SD guys - prob 1 or 2 guys etc if even that. There is an office where you go and make appts for visa but IIRC that is outsourced, so in short they dont have any considerable presence on ground in guj so this release is pure psyops to create the "effect".
Posted by: acharya Mar 20 2005, 09:07 PM
NARENDRA MODI IS THE FUTURE OF HINDUSTAN. We prayed for six decades for a Hindu who could defy the Will of Devil and be proud of his Faith and Land. God listened to our prayers and now we have Narendra Modi in Gujarat, the genuine Rashtrapita. That honour did not go to any sword bearing Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh ji, whose top political leader, while being confined to UNION Territory of Chandigarh, is looking forward to a smile from the Italian born White Elephant of Bharat. Some regard Narendra Modi as the reincarnation of Maharana Pratap, even Chatrapati Shivaji. But the hue & cry against him expose the Powers that hold India in their suffocating grip, and the vulnerability of the Hindus on their own territory. In our view an individual like Shri Modi should really be the PRESIDENT of India and not hounded in international wilderness. His noble wife deserves to be the First Lady of Hindustan. But who do we have, instead? The Daughter of POPE and MAFIA, holding irrevocable dual nationality by right of birth, who is an insult to India’s NATIVE womanhood. What she thinks of Hinduism, Sri Harimandir Sahib in Amritsar and Sri Ram Temple in Ayodhya, is unprintable. Let us do a REALITY check on “mera desh mahaan”, Bharatvarsha. When a nondescript CATHOLIC member of British Parliament, born in Yemen but claiming his roots in Portuguese Goa, demands to be seen as the “Voice of India” in Parliament in London, we need to sit up. He was especially invited to India as State Guest by the then Prime Minister LOAFER Rajiv Khan, and given a hero’s welcome. Then, like some monarch, he was invited to address both Houses of Parliament in New Delhi. Our BOFORS CHOR made the second rate man from England seem like a VVIP to the intellectually impoverished “GOATS & BABOO(N)S” of Indian Parliament. The “native niggers”, listened to his secular TRASH with rapt attention. None had any clue to his dishonest dealings in UK for which he was SACKED from office by Tony Blair soon afterwards. Catholic Keith Vaz is also said to have given advice to Her Majesty the Queen on her proposed visit to Golden Temple in Amritsar. She didn’t ask a Sikh- so LOW was the Sikhs’ sanding in East Punjab and United Kingdom. Our REALITY check then takes us to the unwritten directive from the anti Hindu rulers to their HINDU/SIKH flock: It commands, “YOU follow your Bapu Gandhi in letter and spirit and stick to non violence and surrender (AHIMSA and TYAAG) while WE go for plunder and loot, and bashing your heads, throwing your turbans in gutter and giving a “bloody nose” to those who once were the masters of LAHORE. “We shall widen the Hindu Sikh DIVIDE while projecting the Muslims as patriots and the Catholics as secular.” Continuing with our REALITY check we now find so many top key posts such as President, Supreme Commander of (demoralised and misused) Armed Forces, Governors, Ambassadors, Directors and Chairmen of departments at central and provincial level in the hands of NON HINDUS. The REALITY check now reveals the reason why we ourselves call the most horrendous defeat and surrender of our history “INDEPENDENCE” in order NOT to learn any lesson from history. It is primarily to save Bandit Nehru from any aspersion of HIGH TREASON that would call for his death by firing squad and confiscation of all property and assets of his Dirty Dynasty. History does not respect the coward and the blind. And when we Hindus all voluntarily go under the command of a MUSLIM Supreme Commander, and dare not set up 20 HINDU (and two SIKH) HOLOCAUST MUSEUMS in PARTITIONED INDIA, then we are BOTH. The doomed Red Indians who had vast lands and power did not know what kind of background Columbus had and what kind of Bible he had read before arriving in North America. In their traditional way of life and IGNORANCE of the world, they welcomed their enemy who saw their land and wealth, and immediately set about enslaving, exploiting, plundering and decimating them. Centuries later we see one George Bush in command of their vast territories while their great grandchildren are confined to reservations as tourist attraction. Let us ask a Red Indian (Native American) as to what he thinks of his kind and hospitable ancestors. In the same way the Hindus of future will ABUSE our leaders who negotiated Independence for all but accepted PARTITION (the UNCONDTIONAL surrender of five provinces to MOHAMMED). We can hurl the filthiest abuse at them but it is no use. India is ONE THIRD LESS today and the few surviving Hindus in West Punjab, North Kashmir and East Bengal are like the Red Indians on reservations, a tourist attraction, acting as the most visible Stamp of Superiority of the barbarians and the final collapse of our great Hindu nation. Narendra Modi comes from THIS background even if we call 1947 the “Year of Independence. In India we tolerated the Muslim invaders and kept them in our land when we could have thrown them out, lock, stock and the “ball of fire and violence” called KORAN. That collective stupidity cost us the loss of FIVE PROVINCES outright and also plagued us with a vicious eternally mischievous minority who do not let us raise our heads in Ayodhya or breathe in Srinagar. Those so-called Indian Muslims (Broken Bharat’s biggest FIFTH COLUMN) have now found a new and powerful ally, George Bush- who won his last election on RELIGIOUS ticket. What a contrast to Bharat. The Hindus, like those DOOMED Red Indians, do not know what powers the Pope enjoys and what manipulations they do and what Sonia Khan (called Gandhi by fools) has in store for them. She dreams of the Hindus impoverished, and then converted, killed or confined to reservations. She wields enormous power over the natives who think she is the most gifted and intelligent female on earth, far superior to their own kind and will give them Roti Kapda (food, clothing and shelter). Under her command and authority, we Hindus are perishing slowly but surely. Bharat's decomposing body is showing ugly festering scars and wounds in many ways. The Constitution had to be totally different in the wake of savage Muslim attack at PARTITION. We deleted the word, and called it INDEPENDENCE in order not to cast aspersion on the HIGH TREASON committed by our cowardly leaders, foremost Bandit Jawaharlal Nehru, not to demand his execution by firing squad. We retained the MUSLIMS when they slaughtered us by the million and chased us out in rags and three clothes from our own territory that became ISLAMIC Pakistan. We went along with Rajiv Khans invasion of Northern Sri Lanka to kill the Tamils of INDIAN origin and we went along with his mother Indira KHAN when she badly distorted the politics in East Punjab to find an excuse to decimate the Sikhs. We have been silently watching and tolerating the key top posts going to NON Hindus, not only that of the Supreme Commander of our Armed Forces. And we now see that a democratically elected Chief Minister is refused visa to enter the USA while every dictator and general (Musharraf) and absolute monarch (Saudi Arabia) is America's closest ally. America is listening to those whose democracy is the KORAN and to the powerful Catholic lobby within Bharat who are enjoying freedoms that the Hindus do not have in Italy, Germany and Portugal. The Hindus are most certainly on the path to extinction like the Red Indians. We have no guts to look back at PARTITION and no eyes to see our FUTURE in the Islamic Republic of Hindustan. White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) RULING America are, after all, the descendants of Columbus, not only in Faith and Fundamentalism that produced the KU KLUX KLAN. The Hindus have to start a new tradition, of coming out in their hundreds of thousands in streets to show COLLECTIVE power, something that the Muslims and the Christians are expert at. At present a million Gandhian Hindus are visualised by the world, following silently an emaciated lean old tottering man in loin cloth and wooden sandals, leaning over his walking stick while leading the “salt march”, like well behaved obedient SLAVES. George Bush's ancestors, on the other hand, rode chargers into battle, flags flying, and fired guns, grenades and missiles and dropping bombs on the enemy in two World Wars. The inspiration and spirit that he has inherited from his conquering ancestors, is totally opposite of what we Indians claim to be ours. Hindu leaders failed to see PEOPLE POWER in Dresden, Leipzig and Prague that brought down the mighty Soviet Empire, and more recently, in Kiev that changed the government in Ukraine. When will we put Shri Modi in front, and see a MILLION HINDUS marching together behind him through the streets of Delhi, passing in front of Rashtrapati Bhawan, Lok Sabha and No. 10 JANPATH? When will we see Hindu police and army Jawans refuse to obey orders to fire on the Hindus in Hindustan? The reality check is not in favour of the Hindus at present. Some of the States in India are larger than France and Germany and in a world where even Czech Republic has her Man in UNO, Mr. Modi, despite his democracy and popular mandate, has no international standing. Sonia Khan at Centre has the power to topple him and even put him before court while the whole country cannot get the final verdict on BOFORS CHOR delivered by any court. The REALITY check says, America is not interested in Hindus but in their future economic potential as a rival of the US. The genius of Hindus will flourish only when we get rid of scheming Hindu bashing devils of Delhi. That potential is tremendous and seen as life threatening by the West. Already we see jitters about China's rapid rise. What if India takes off in the same way? The only way to stop her is to boost her INTERNAL Fifth Column. That is why if the whole Hindu population is degraded or wiped out under State design (an Islamic Constitution kills or degrades the non Muslims by STATE Design) or wiped out in North Kashmir and East Bengal, it would NOT trouble America in the least, and Mr. Modi is a Hindu. A few years back one hundred Hindu pilgrims, on their way to Amarnath Yatra, were massacred near Jammu in one night, and on the eve of Bill Clinton's visit to India 36 Sikhs were stood against the wall and shot dead in cold blood. Was there a voice raised on their behalf in Amerirca? The worst FEAR of the West, America included, is the possibiltity that after India wipes out her Congress (Italy and Islam) the Hindus will go out to embrace their first cousins in Buddhist China and Japan. The whole world knows that Nehru was a haraami. Hence his slogan Hindu Chini Bhai Bhai was a grand deception while he was planning for the conflict, NOT peace. When India becomes HINDU RASHTRA the Hindu Muslim Bhai Bhai will become deception and fraud. After Hindustan acquires her own brain and perceptions, India-China alliance will be formidable like the alliance of EU and USA. Hindu India will create a climate in which thousands of tourists and pilgrims will come from the East, not Mohammedans from the Middle East who come to pick up girls. The two great Asian civilisations will meet, thus keeping the plunderers, looters, CHORS and Hindu-haters AWAY. The REALITY check finally shows a way forward. To raise awareness of the ordinary Indians to the level of people of South Korea where 60% of citizens are on Broadband Internet connection. It means all hands together. This is a challenge for Mr Modi now and there are numerous computer engineers and technicians at home to do so. This may be a forward looking idea but be prepared to face bullets from two sides, front and rear. There is deep frozen fear of modern communications among Hindus on one side and the Wrath of Sarkar on the other. We hope Mr. Modi will rise above the storm and make Gujarat the leading State with regard to computers in classrooms. Hopefully his good deed will catch on with the chief ministers of Maharashtra and EAST Punjab. The latter will be liberated by his people from Union Territory. By Internet one can reach out to the masses DIRECT without Sonia and her RAW coming in between. Rejoice, dear Hindus. A silent REVOLUTION is brewing in Bharat to sweep away the ideological filth gathered over centuries. A new era is dawning, the Era of the proud HINDU. Narendra Modi may well have initiated it. KURU partitionofindia.com
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 09:10 PM
http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/in1/wwwhacswardmes.html
Posted by: Mudy Mar 20 2005, 09:20 PM
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His noble wife deserves to be the First Lady of Hindustan.
Modi is single. What a article and anger? I wish he use his energy against pinkoos and anti india/hindu scums in US.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 20 2005, 10:05 PM
The author is kuru, an-over-emotional victim of partition who saw first hand muslim massacres of his family in Lahore 1947 For example he advocates reunification, forgetting that muslims have breeded from 25% in Akhand Bharat / Islamistan to 30% today and heading for 36% by 2050
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 10:09 PM
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His noble wife deserves to be the First Lady of Hindustan.
Modi is single. What a article and anger? I wish he use his energy against pinkoos and anti india/hindu scums in US.
IIRC I think he was married but has never really lived a married life -> dedicated his life to sangh.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 20 2005, 10:50 PM
http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=Modi+addresses+gathering+in+US+via+webcast&id=16514
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Modi addresses gathering in US via webcast NDTV Correspondent Monday, March 21, 2005 (Gandhinagar): After being denied a visa for a business visit to the US, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi addressed a rally in New York's Madison Square via webcast from Gandhinagar. Speaking to an Indian-Americans audience, Modi told them that a "disinformation campaign" was being launched to malign India. "I have no grievance against the US or the people of that country over the visa denial issue," he said. 'Motivated groups' He however, criticized all those who rallied against his US tour. Modi asked Indians living in that country to act as ambassadors to counter the propaganda by those having vested interests in defaming India. "I have no regrets over what transpired. Gujarat has the most heritage sites per square kilometer in India. So, if you all encourage at least five non-Indian families to visit every year, you will be doing a great service. As it is foreigners take a keen interest in India's heritage," said Modi. Appealing to the NRIs to make India an "investment locale and global hot spot", Modi tried to sell the concept of a "robust and developed" Gujarat. "Gujarat is a state with "robust and world class infrastructure, effective water management policy and a gas-based economy", he said. There is sufficient scope of investments in the state with several Special Economic Zones, apparel parks, marine biotechnology parks and pharmaceuticals and agro-product industries. (With PTI inputs)
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 12:50 AM
http://www.newindpress.com/news.asp?id=IE620050320233329
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Modi issue: Yudhistra is still relevant Monday March 21 2005 09:59 IST S Gurumurthy Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has been denied visa by the Bush administration. He had been invited by the Asian-American Hotel Owners Association. Had the US permitted his visit, it would have gone unnoticed. The US could have quietly allowed Modi to spend a few days in a more tolerable climate. Instead it chose to deny diplomatic visa to Modi. They even cancelled the normal visa, which had already been granted to Modi some seven years ago. They did it so resoundingly that it hardly seemed a simple visa denial. Why? To know the truth we have to go behind the facade of religious freedom issues the US has raised. The US supports and takes the support of jihadi regimes the world over. So the issue of religious freedom as the reason to keep Modi out is a lie. Obviously, the Bush administration has used the Modi visa issue to convey a message to global Islamists. The geo-political think tanks of the US thought, thanks to Modi, that they got a chance to tell the Islamic world how even-handed they are. Look at it from the US perspective. They are engaged in a war with Islam itself, not just Islamic terrorism. They are under pressure to show that they are not against Islam or Muslims. Here they got a golden opportunity to humiliate Modi-who is projected as anti-Muslim-to demonstrate that they are friends of Islam too. “See how we are treating an elected Chief Minister of a State of India whose population is more than the population of many nations in Europe.” “Believe us, we are sensitive to Islamic world” – this is their message to the Islamists. This is the American version of pseudo-secularism. So denial of visa to Modi is part of American geo-politics. That is why they wanted it done, and they did, in the most celebrated way, dragged it till the last moment and made it an issue. But why did the US choose to risk a scrap with the Indian Government? This is perhaps where they miscalculated. They never expected the split Indian polity to come together on the issue. They never anticipated the ‘secular’ Indian Government to join the protest, much less lead it. They did not provide for the unified Indian reaction, with the state of India leading the protest, against the US action. They had enough reasons to believe it will not happen. The secular Indian polity had made Modi a symbol of hate. It suited secular India’s political needs to blacken Modi. So he became the Indian version of Hitler, the Hindu version of Islamic terror. So the US was perhaps right in expecting that the Hindu polity in India would be isolated, that there would be a ‘Secular’-Hindu clash in India on the issue. But that did not happen, even accounting for the marginally different views of the CPM and the RJD. So, by standing together, the Indian polity has stood up to an attempt to humiliate India. It has surprised the US. Indian polity has demonstrated total unity on this issue, something which we have seen only in times of war. So the US is in a fix. It cannot hang on to its decision without causing a setback in its relations with India. It cannot change it without a setback to its geo-political message to the Islamic world. As of now, the US is the loser and Modi the gainer. In the process, the US has put Modi on the global map. But look at the impact of the Modi visa issue on the Indian polity and its working norms. For the first time the Indian polity has followed the dictum of Yudhistra in Mahabharata. The story goes that the Gandharvas defeated the Kauravas and arrested Duryodana and all his 99 brothers who had planned to humiliate the Pandavas living in the forest. Bhima and Arjuna were extremely pleased at Kauravas’ humiliation. But Yudhistra chided them and told them, ‘vayam panchadikam shatam’ – meaning, when difficulty comes, we are not five and they are not hundred, but “we are five plus hundred” – and asked them to get the Kauravas released. This was despite all the harm that Kauravas had caused to the Pandavas. One might dismiss his as the ethical norm of Dwapara Yuga inapplicable to the dark age of Kali Yuga. But one great man, who inspired many leaders of India like Vajpayee, Advani and even Modi, dared to give the same advice to Indian polity. He was M S Golwalkar, the man who built the RSS into a powerful organisation. A well-known Indian political leader, who was on a visit to the UK, chose to criticise the then Indian prime minister Pandit Nehru on foreign soil. It was common knowledge that Nehru had visceral hatred for the RSS and Golwalkar. Yet Golwalkar quoted Yudhistra and said that outside our nation, despite all our differences, “we are all one” and condemned the criticism of our prime minister outside India. He cited how Winston Churchill owned the British Prime Minister Atlee as ‘our Prime Minister’ on US soil despite their well-known mutual hostility. This is how national spirit works beyond borders. The moral is: Yudhistra is relevant even in today’s global politics. It is difficult to follow great men. But it is even more difficult to ignore them. The Indian polity can be proud today for acting as counselled by Yudhistra.
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 12:54 AM
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/21modi1.htm
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'US Indians should create a lobby' Sheela Bhatt in New Delhi | March 21, 2005 13:03 IST Mike Patel, founder member of Asian American Hotel Owners Association in the United States, told rediff.com that he was misquoted on the issue of denial of visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. Patel said he never said that AAHOA has cancelled the invitation. In a telephonic conversation, Mike Patel said, "Indian Americans are torn on the issue." "It's not easy to take a stand because I believe since we live in US we have to live with the decisions the American government takes. Whether you like it or not, this is the American stand. Take or leave it. We must understand that we can't do much about it except launching protests." He added, "At same time I believe that it's not a right assessment of the State Department. It has been taken under pressure from certain religious organisations." When asked to be specific, Patel said, "The decision is influenced by Christian organisations and I think when they came under pressure, officials took the decision hastily." Patel also said that sooner or later the ban would have to go because "it is very trivial." "But it can do real damage. The US is usually not like this. This is out of its context," he said. When asked about the options before the Indian American community Patel said, "Indian Americans should create a strong lobby. When Christian organisations were lobbying, we were not very much aware of it. We should change the wrong perception. We must highlight that Modi is an elected leader. And until the charge is proven against him one can't formulate a final opinion about it."
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 01:06 AM
So how does Khaleej Times conclude that *most* indians back denial of US visa to Modi ? Some say they do and some say they dont. Morons.. http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2005/March/theuae_March574.xml§ion=theuae
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Most Indians back US denial of visa to Modi By a staff reporter 20 March 2005 DUBAI — The recent decision by the US government to deny a visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has pleased many Indian nationals living in the UAE. Modi, one of the main architects behind India's worst genocides ever witnessed in 2002, was planning to visit the US for a social event and was scheduled to make a five-day visit beginning from today. The US embassy in New Delhi revoked Modi's tourist/business visa on Thursday and denied him a diplomatic visa apparently over his role in the Gujarat riots which saw 2000 Muslims being systematically targeted in retaliation of the Godhra train incident. Kahleej Times spoke to a cross-section of Indians about the decision and a majority of them agreed with America's decision to bar Modi from entering the country. R. Naushad, Estimation Manager, said: "The action taken by the US administration is significant in the light that the global community has recognised the role played by Modi in flaming anti-Muslim sentiments in Gujarat. “India's reputation as a secular, democratic country was damaged by this individual and under his leadership, we witnessed one of the worst genocides against minorities ever. What the courts in India couldn't do, the US government has done — and that is to punish Modi publicly for his reprehensible actions." Narendra S. Pujji, retired oversees development manager, Emirates Airlines, said: "Although, I personally do not support Modi and condemn his role in the riots, I feel that the US government has no right to judge our politicians. “Modi is an elected representative of the people of Gujarat and whether he is a good or a bad person, the US has no right to revoke his visa. They have to realise that they are dealing with a country when they take such action as opposed to an individual and have made a diplomatic error in their judgement this time around." Rahul Singh, businessman, said: "I am completely in favour of what the US did as I feel that Modi should be punished for what he did in Gujarat. Instead of bringing peace and stability to his state, he insulted the very conventions of the Indian constitution by persecuting people based on the religion they practised. He has been a very bad role model for the youth of our country and I'm happy that the US have made their feelings very clear about his proposed visit." Sanjay Kumar, Commercial Manager, said: "Modi should have been punished by the law of the land. Instead, he went scot-free and is even managing an important political portfolio now. This is appalling. “To prevent another Gujarat from happening, we should discourage his every move in the international community. I am happy that the US government has recognised this fact and has taken this step of letting their displeasure known." S.A. Ahsan, Sales Engineer, Delta Paints (Sharjah): It's a mixed feeling really. On the one hand it seems appropriate that someone with Narendra Modi's record was treated the way he deserved, while on the other it reflects on America's high-handedness in dealing with our elected representatives. “This incident will spark off a national debate giving Modi more political mileage, and in a way it will further divide our society, if not one community against another then certainly one opinion against a mindset. “The biggest mistake at this juncture would be to turn this thing into a sectarian issue, because it certainly isn't. We have to remember that above all else, and certainly above mere opinions, is the interest of our nation, which does not lie in petty-minded one-upmanship. “India and Indians cannot afford to be bogged down by such insignificant, politicised incidents, at a time when the world watches us march ahead as the emerging economic global giant.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 21 2005, 06:16 AM
Uncle Tom Mike Patel reverses himself ------ Mike Patel, founder member of Asian American Hotel Owners Association in the United States, told rediff.com that he was misquoted on the issue of denial of visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. Patel said he never said that AAHOA has cancelled the invitation. In a telephonic conversation, Mike Patel said, "Indian Americans are torn on the issue." "It's not easy to take a stand because I believe since we live in US we have to live with the decisions the American government takes. Whether you like it or not, this is the American stand. Take or leave it. We must understand that we can't do much about it except launching protests." He added, "At same time I believe that it's not a right assessment of the State Department. It has been taken under pressure from certain religious organisations." When asked to be specific, Patel said, "The decision is influenced by Christian organisations and I think when they came under pressure, officials took the decision hastily."
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Mar 21 2005, 06:24 AM
http://specials.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/21sld1.htm Ignoring rain, cold weather and protests, more than 4000 people turned up at Madison Square Garden in New York City to listen to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi address them via satellite. The largely successful event also turned out to be a protest against the United States government for denying a visa to Modi. Most people said it was an insult to India and Hindus. Congressman Frank Pallone, New Jersey assemblyman Upendra Chivukula, and New Jersey ratepayer advocate Seema Singh were among the speakers who deplored the denial of visa to a democratically elected leader from a friendly country A chair on the podium intended for the chief guest was left vacant, in a mark of protest. "Five thousand years ago a chair was kept vacant for Sri Ramchandraji," said Sunil Nayak, co-chairman of the Association of Indian Americans of North America, alluding to Lord Ram's exile from Ayodhya. Modi was beamed live at about 7 pm local time. "My heart is there even though I could not come," he said. He thanked the people for their affection. He said Gujarat represented the very best of India. "Motivated people and vested interests worked to deny a visa to me. But it will not affect our enthusiasm," he said. "There will be a day when people from other nations stand in queue for a visa to India." Outside the MSG, activists numbering less than 200 and associated with the Coalition Against Genocide stood in the cold, shouting slogans and holding placards against Modi. Smita Narula, director of the Centre for Human Rights and Global Justice, New York University, said Modi's role during the Gujarat riots was recorded by many independent agencies. "Modi cannot wash his hands of what happened during those days," she said. CAG president Ranjit Singh said, "Pluralism is the cornerstone of India and nobody has any right to do away with it." "This was just a token protest as our main demand was met," George Abraham, CAG general secretary, said about the low turnout Denying the visa to Modi was a serious misstep in foreign policy, New Jersey ratepayer advocate Seema Singh said. "Gujarat and Gujaratis have a special relation with the US. A chief minister in India is like the governor of a state in the US and denying a visa to such an official is not justified." She asked the people to persuade State Department and the White House to reverse the decision. She also saluted the spirit and enthusiasm of the people in attending the event. "I am proud the government of India is standing behind Modi in this issue," she added. New Jersey assemblyman Chivukula also expressed similar sentiments and said the denial of a visa was an extreme step. The organisers asked the people to flood State Department with requests to reconsider the decision. In his speech, Congressman Pallone (in the picture) said what happened two years ago in Gujarat was a blot on India. "But that is not the issue here. India is a friend and a democratically elected official from there deserves a visa," he said. "I will do whatever I can to reverse the decision and will also try that such things don't happen in future," he added. "Denial of visa was a real insult," Dr Sudhir Parekh, president of the Federation of Indian Associations said. "It is not something that affects Modi alone." Chetana Shah, an activist with the Vishwa Hindu Parishad from the Bronx in New York said the community should emulate Jews in countering the attacks by various groups. "We should also lobby the power centres and the media to get what is rightfully ours. After all, Indians are the second richest group in the US," she said. The organisers also vowed that they will not allow visa denial to happen in future, and to effectively counter propaganda by various groups. ---- Mike Patel and American Express back down ----------------- AAHOA treasurer Danny Patel told the gathering that they have not withdrawn the invitation to Modi. It was an announcement made by one official, Mike Patel, and was later withdrawn. "The invitation to the chief minister is still there and there is no question of cancelling it," he said. Nor has American Express withdrawn its sponsorship of the AAHOA convention in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, for which Modi had been invited, he added. G.S
Posted by: narayanan Mar 21 2005, 06:35 AM
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They mean Commercial Interests Association, perhaps? omg.gif Looks like we need an icon to show Furious BackPedalling With Pie In Face, to accurately depict Shri "U. T. Mike" Patel.... Flush.gif This is simply not accurate enough. Well... I hope by the Florida event there will be more rather than less enthu for this "unite, organize" etc. noble sentiments. I mean - that's all of 2.5 days away - can this community maintain such grand aspirations THAT LONG? This is what comes of sitting around asking:
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Phor whom da bell is tolling, onlee yaar? Nat me so I will go back to watching Soap Opera, yaar
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Based on the American Express withdrawal, many members of AAHOA decided to cancel American Express and have a public card cutting at Madison Square Gardens. When American Express heard this, they swiftly apologised abjectly
That should be given the widest possible publicity. Officially, AMEX came crawling back with their sponsorship and "never withdrew it". I am soooo glad to hear of the rapid Change of Heart and Mind of American Express when they realized that one "Potel" owner (term from FOIL email, not mine!!! ) cuts up his family's Amex Card, that's faaaaar worse than the ENTIRE FOIL and the FOIL Faculty and all their offspring for two generations cancelling their Amex card applications... The ONLY language that corporations understand, unfortunately. Now if the newly-awakened Poojya Desi Billionaires will pls realize that there are other database products, not ORACLE to use in their own businesses... we may be off to a good start here. The cost of knuckling under to the Communist- Taliban FOIL gang must be shown and seen to be unacceptably high, long-term. The other major loser is Chris Matthews of Hardball, now shown to be a fluffballl. He lost $50K in speaking fees by chickening out of the Florida event due to commie-paki pressure.
Posted by: bharathpremi Mar 21 2005, 07:35 AM
TIme to celebrate!!?? mad.gif in asian age How we made u.s. deny visa to Modi - By Angana Chatterji Nishrin Hussain lives in the United States. She is the daughter of Ahsanhusain A. Jafri of Gujarat, former Member of Parliament, who was tortured, decapitated, and murdered in 2002. The events of Gujarat 2002 have placed Nishrin in exile. Zaheera Sheik, who experienced the trauma of her family’s murder and was present for the Best Bakery ordeal, was coerced and intimidated by the Sangh Parivar. Bilkis Yakoob Rasool (Bilkis Bano) of Randhikpur village was gang-raped. She was five months pregnant at the time of her rape and lost 14 family members, including her three-year-old child, mother, and two sisters. Since then, she has been forced to move 20 times due to threats against her. These and other women of Gujarat live and relive the violence of 2002, their families and futures devastated. Such realities compelled the formation of the Coalition Against Genocide (CAG). CAG was formed in February 2005 to protest the planned business visit to the US in March 2005 of Narendra Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat, and demand accountability and justice in response to the Gujarat genocide. CAG is a spectrum of 38 organisations and 10 supporting groups, and individuals, across the US and Canada (www.coalitionagainstgenocide.org). CAG utilises several avenues, including grassroots mobilisation, e-mail, phone and fax campaigns, public demonstrations, and draws from various constituencies — students, those self-employed, professionals, academics, artists, people of/from India, and allies. CAG is comprised of Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and those who profess other faiths or none. CAG challenges Modi supporters, primarily upper-caste Hindus, in the US who claim to represent Hindus and India, and others guided into buttressing Hindutva, "Hindu Tatva" — "Hindu principles," Nazi inspired, advocated by Hindu extremist groups dedicated to promoting a Hindu rashtra (theocracy) in India. The Association of Indian Americans of North America (AINA) invited Narendra Modi to New York on March 20. Sangh members in the US formed AINA for this purpose. The Asian American Hotel Owner’s Association (AAHOA) invited Modi as chief guest for their annual convention in Florida on March 24-26. CAG called on Chris Matthews, host of Hardball, MSNBC, to decline the invitation to speak at the AAHOA Convention, and American Express to rescind its sponsorship of AAHOA. On March 8, Chris Matthews withdrew from the AAHOA event, giving up an estimated professional fee of thousands. The Institute on Religion and Public Policy wrote to secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, some CAG members lobbied with Capitol Hill, and 125 South Asia Studies and other faculty in the US wrote to the state department, the House and Senate Foreign Relations Committees, and the United Nations, to decline Modi’s visa. Disturbingly, Modi was also invited to inaugurate the Yadunandan Centre for India Studies at the Asian and Asian American Studies Department of California State University at Long Beach on March 22, demonstrating once again the infiltration of Hindu nationalists into the academy. Again, 135 faculty wrote to the university asking it to rescind Modi’s invitation. Uka Solanki, a Gujarati businessman and recipient of the 2005 Global Organisation of People of Indian Origin’s Pravasi Bharatiya Community Service Award, has given a large donation to the Asian American Studies Department and to the Centre for India Studies. University spokespersons so far have commented only that the request for Modi to inaugurate the Centre came from some donors. Former President of India, K.R. Narayanan, recently testified to a "conspiracy" between the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) governments in New Delhi and Gujarat, where between February 28 and March 2, 2002, under Narendra Modi’s leadership, Hindu nationalists perpetrated an event distinctive in the movement’s malevolent reach for a Hindu state. In 16 of Gujarat’s 24 districts, 2,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed, 200,000 were internally displaced. In many districts, the violence continued beyond those three unimaginable days into April and May. Over 100,000 homes, thousands of hotels and establishments were damaged or destroyed. Relief camps were attacked at night. Narendra Modi and the Gujarat government enabled the genocidal violence. Appointed in 2001, Modi contested election as chief minister in December 2002, and won, in the climate of terror that prevailed in Hindu nationalist ruled Gujarat. An economic boycott against the Muslim community continues; 239 Muslims and one Sikh remain detained under Prevention Of Terrorism Act (Pota) even as the Indian Parliament repealed Pota in December 2004. The events of February 28-March 2, 2002 constitute genocide under the United Nations Genocide Convention. Modi and the Gujarat government face charges for crimes against humanity and genocide. Inquiries and commissions, including the Indian National Human Rights Commission, have condemned Modi’s role in the politically motivated attacks on minorities. The interim report from the Justice U.C. Banerjee Commission has concluded that the fire in coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express on February 27, resulting in the deaths of 59 people, was an accident and not a "terrorist" attack on Hindu pilgrims as claimed by those who organised the carnage that followed. Three years later, the survivors still await justice and reparations. Even as Muslims were the primary targets of violence in 2002, Christians were attacked and robbed during the post-Godhra riots. For those targeted, including dalits and adivasis, Narendra Modi, the architect of the state organised pogrom, is a monster whose words and deeds have endorsed rapes, the forced abortion of foetuses and their display on trishuls — brutalities that irrevocably scar the present. More than 2,000 of 4,000 cases filed by the victims were never investigated or dismissed, leading the Supreme Court of India to transfer several out of the state. On February 23, 2005, an Ahmedabad court sentenced three persons to four years’ imprisonment for stabbing to death Naseembibi Safar Ali, a pregnant woman, on February 28, 2002, in Madhavpura, Ahmedabad. To find the male perpetrators guilty of murder and punish them with four-year sentences makes a mockery of justice and aligns the state, once again, with the sexualised violence that was Gujarat in 2002. Modi is a pracharak (proselytiser) for the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the xenophobic Hindu fundamentalist organisation, which, along with other Hindu extremist groups, receives funds from the US and UK. Modi’s current trip to the US would have been a fundraising event. Sudhir Parikh, a prominent Indian and Sangh Parivar affiliate living in the US, invited Modi in 2004. Parikh is on the board of the Indian American National Foundation, an umbrella organisation of AAHOA, American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin, National Federation of Indian American Associations, and Indian American Forum for Political Education. Other Hindu nationalists associated with hosting Modi’s New York visit include Suresh Jani, former secretary, Overseas Friends of the BJP (OFBJP); Ved Nanda, Sanghchalak (chief), Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, the overseas wing of the RSS, and former president of Friends of India Society International; and Mukund Mody, founder and former President of the OFBJP (www.narendramodi.net/agenda.htm). Research undertaken by two independent groups, the Campaign to Stop Funding Hate and South Asia Watch Limited, demonstrate the linkages between money raised in the US and UK and Hindu fundamentalism in India, yet little has been done to curtail fundraising for hate. There has been bi-partisan support in the US for human rights in Gujarat. Former President Clinton condemned the events in Gujarat. In 2002, Congressman Joseph Pitts (Republican-Pennsylvania) condemned the premeditated brutality and cited insufficient action on the part of the US. Congressman Pitts also conveyed that Hindu extremist groups receive some of their funds from charities in the US. In 2003 and 2004, the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom recommended that India be designated a "Country of Particular Concern." On March 15, 2005, House Resolution 156 was introduced in the United States Congress by Congressperson John Conyers, ranking Democrat (Michigan), House Judiciary Committee, and Dean, Congressional Black Caucus, and Congressperson Pitts, member, India Caucus and the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, "condemning the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra Modi for his actions to incite religious persecution and urging the United States to condemn all violations of religious freedom in India." On March 18, Modi was denied a diplomatic visa under Section 214(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) by the US embassy in New Delhi, as this was not a diplomatic visit, and his tourist and business visa was revoked under INA Section 212(a)(2)(G), "as an official responsible for carrying out severe violations of religious freedom," under Section 3 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998. Following this, AAHOA has withdrawn Modi’s invitation, and American Express has cancelled $150,000 in sponsorship money. In response, militant workers of the Bajrang Dal set fire to a PepsiCo warehouse in Surat. Other acts of arson and aggression will likely follow. The Indian government must stop the cycle of violence and refuse to be held captive by Hindu nationalists. The Congress government has elected to interpret Washington’s decision as "anti-India." How is upholding religious freedom, rule of law, and accountability in governance contrary to the interests of the nation? While the US continues to violate the rights of citizens in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, in this instance, Washington’s decision is supportive of human rights. Indian jurist L.M. Singhvi has alleged that the US denied and revoked Narendra Modi’s visa without due process of law. It should be incumbent on the government of India to initiate due process of law investigating Modi’s role in executing the Gujarat massacre, as individual and chief minister of Gujarat. That Narendra Modi was denied a visa, that his active involvement in crimes against humanity has been officially noted, is something to celebrate. The larger task remains to hold accountable Narendra Modi, who has committed genocide. Angana Chatterji is associate professor of Anthropology at California Institute of Integral Studies, and member, Coalition Against Genocide
Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 08:06 AM
CAG seems to more like Coalition Against Gujarat rather than Genocide mad.gif If some extra terristrial landed was surfing the web and landed on the CAG website they'll infer that the only 'Genocide' on this planet earth occured Gujarat when a Modi was at helm! Any refereces to China, Pakistan, Rwanada, Old Europe? Gujarat has a long history of communal riots. The first such riot has been reported in 1714. After independence major riots broke out on several occasions since 1969. Jagmohan Reddy Commission of Inquiry of 1969 and Dave Commission of Inquiry of 1985 analysed the causes and consequences of communal tensions in great details. Serious rioting occurred in 1970 and also in 1992-93. According to official data, Gujarat witnessed 443 major communal incidents between 1970 and 2002. Another characteristic of the communal frenzy in Gujarat is that it has always taken a long time to return to normalcy. For instance in Godhra itself in 1985 curfew remained imposed for about a year. Communal disturbance in 1985 continued for more than five months from February to July 1985. After 1985, communal riots have also occurred in every year from 1986 to 1995, and in 1997, 2002 (besides Gujarat), and 2003. How many of the Gujarat Cheif Ministers have been barred from coming to US? How many have these FOILers protested against? Zero, zilch thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif Let's see as to what's genocide? per in the non FOILer world? According to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 'genocide' refers to 'acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group' In Gujarat 2002, however, of the total deaths (as per the home ministry's official annual report for 2002-2003, page 6), about a third were Hindus (including 59 charred in a train compartment) and 200 in all were killed in police firing. If, at one stage, 100,000 Muslims were struggling in relief camps, so were 40,000 Hindus http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/28arvind.htm Out of 31,000 arrests made throughout the State in connection of riots, 80 per cent are Hindus. Out of approximately 800 killed in Gujarat, one-fourth are Hindus. Out of 140 killed in police firing, 80 were Hindus. Also, out of 100 killed in police firing in the first three days, more than 70 were Hindus. http://www.indiafirstfoundation.org/archives/articles/arc_bkp/2002/april2502.htm In this same Gujarat, in Akashdharam temple, a 4 year old kid was shot between the eyes by these very same Islamists for whom the likes of http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01032002/0103200254.htm. Who cries for this kid, Argentina ? mad.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Mar 21 2005, 08:32 AM
That report from Chatterji is so full of inaccuracies its unbelievable. However what is really hurting is the mention that Godhra-was-an-accident. I dont know what to say to these b@stards who would go to such an extent to malign and treat hindus like sh1t.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 08:43 AM
I am very much sure, they have backing of Congress(Sonia), Commies Political parties, Pakistan and Saudis. No statement from Indian Embassy which is pathetic. Ronen Sen is here for vacation. New strategy is needed to beat these moron, liar commies.
Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 08:44 AM
Rajesh, Little things like facts or truth haven't dettered the likes of Angana so as the AIDiees likes to say 'judge them by their record'. After 5 years of mud slinging on IDRF and being thoroughly discredited in every independent forum, she keeps proping up now and then peddling her crap. Heard last week as the Modi's visa was being revoked, she was speaking in a university in south charging about $15 a pop.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 08:46 AM
only $15 or $15K
Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 08:48 AM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Mar 21 2005, 11:43 AM)
I am very much sure, they have backing of Congress(Sonia), Commies Political parties, Pakistan and Saudis.
Mudy, George Abraham one of the signatory is the General Secretary of Overseas wing of Indian National Congress - http://www.inoc.org/php/contactus.php?linkid=8 Commie, Paki+Saudi connection via the likes of Angana Chaterjee, Akhila Raman, Kaleem Kajawa, Ra(t) Ravishankar was proved couple years ago by N-saar in the IDRF episode. I truly hope the AOOHA hotliers will start dontaing to IDRF if they already haven't.
Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 08:50 AM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Mar 21 2005, 11:46 AM)
only $15 or $15K
ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif ROTFL.gif even a Paki with all the ill-gotten moolah in Swiss accounts won't pay $15K to hear A C speak Believe fifteen dollars were being collected at the gate - reports an observer who was counting the number of people paying. Believe the guy started counting using his toes and still had his one hand free to hold his coffee biggrin.gif which means less than $225 collected. So who pitched in for A C to fly from coast to coast?
Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 08:54 AM
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Dr. Surinder Malhotra. President ( 718-762-4155) Zacharia Thomas (Babu), V.President (914) 966 0450 Dr. Shakir Mukhi, V.President ( 718-523-8600) George Abraham, General Secretary (718-291-1567) Jose George, Treasurer (914-282-0422)
Only one Hindu (Punjabi) rest all are Muslim and Christian. Clearly shows Indians choice for a political party.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 21 2005, 08:59 AM
Okay she is charging entry fee, no per lecture basis fee. Any info on her family background?
Posted by: Viren Mar 21 2005, 09:05 AM
http://specials.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/21sld1.htm
Posted by: AlbertPinto Mar 21 2005, 09:09 AM
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/21raman.htm
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I agree with Mr Raman that the Indians who complain about other Indians to the oficials in US are anti-nationalists. I look upon him as a Hyde Park orator, like many of his partymen whose Achilles Heel lies in their mouth. He is unnecessarily confrontational and often insensitive in his public remarks. He is India's Donald Rumsfeld, who has made more enemies through his mouth than through his actions. I have been strongly critical of Modi after the widespread anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat in 2002 and warned that the failure of the Gujarat police to effectively deal with the rioters could drive aggrieved Muslims into the welcoming arms of the likes of Osama bin Laden. One has to see the riot, which was provoked by the gruesome killing of a large number of Hindus at the Godhra railway station in Gujarat, in the proper perspective, without trying to rationalise the incidents. India and every Indian, whatever be his or her religion, ought to feel ashamed of what happened in Gujarat, but unfortunately periodic eruptions of such riots have been a dark feature of Indian history ever since the country became independent. We have had riots involving not only Hindus and Muslims, but also different castes among Hindus. When I was working as a sub-editor in the Madurai edition of the Indian Express in the late 1950s, hundreds of Harijans were massacred by their co-religionists belonging to the so-called upper castes. Many were burnt alive by the upper caste Hindus, with the police watching helplessly. The late K Kamaraj, one of the most distinguished leaders produced by the Congress party, was then the chief minister of Tamil Nadu. He came in for strong criticism initially for failing to protect the Harijans and subsequently for permitting the police to use ruthless force to put down the rioters. Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, who is projected by the so-called secularists as an icon of secularism, did not demand Kamaraj's resignation. Many of us were unhappy over and ashamed of what happened in Tamil Nadu, but we did not seek the assistance of a foreign power to teach a lesson to one of our own leaders because our prime minister had refused to act against him. Such a thought would not have even occurred to us. We would have considered it anti-national. In the early 1960s, following rumours of the molestation of a Hindu girl by a Muslim boy in Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh, violent Hindu-Muslim riots broke out in the city that lasted days. Hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims were killed by rioting Hindu mobs. I joined the state as a young assistant superintendent of police a few months after the riots and was posted in Jabalpur for training. My junior police officers, who took me round the town, told me it took them days to remove the dead bodies of Muslims which had clogged the town's drainage system. When the police could not control the violence Nehru himself flew to Jabalpur and camped there to supervise the handling of the situation. He as well as the chief minister of Madhya Pradesh, Dwarka Prasad Mishra, came in for criticism for failing to prevent the riots and for their ineffective handling of the situation. But it would not have occurred to any of us to seek the assistance of a foreign power to teach them a lesson. We would have considered such an attitude anti-national. In the mid-1960s there were widespread anti-Hindu riots in then East Pakistan. Hundreds of Hindus were massacred, young girls were raped and their breasts cut off by rioting Muslims. This led to an exodus of Hindus into West Bengal. Nehru decided to re-settle the refugees in a special camp called Dandakaranya created for them in the Bastar district of Madhya Pradesh. The refugees were moved by special trains from Kolkata to Raipur in Madhya Pradesh and transported by bus to Bastar. Wherever the trains stopped and the refugees narrated what happened to Hindus in East Pakistan, anti-Muslim riots broke out. Nehru and the chief minister came in for criticism for failing to anticipate the situation and to prevent the anti-Muslim riots. But it would not have occurred to any of us to seek the assistance of a foreign power to teach them a lesson. We would have considered it anti-national. In 1984, after the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by her Sikh bodyguards, there was an outbreak of anti-Sikh riots in Delhi which continued for two or three days before the police acted against the rioters, many of them belonging to the Congress party. Dozens of Sikhs were killed and many were humiliated, their turbans removed and their beards cut off. Rajiv Gandhi, who succeeded his mother as prime minister, did not act in time and subsequently tried to rationalise the violence. He and his officers came in for strong criticism for failing to protect the Sikhs, but it would not have occurred to any of us to seek the assistance of a foreign power to teach him a lesson.We would have considered it anti-national. The destruction of the Babri Masjid in Uttar Pradesh by a Hindu mob in December 1992 led to widespread riots by Muslims in and around Delhi and in Mumbai. Prime Minister P V Narasimha Rao of the Congress party was strongly criticised for failing to protect the mosque and not preventing the subsequent riots. But, it would not have occurred to any of us to seek the assistance of a foreign power to teach him a lesson. We would have considered it anti-national. Ever since the Gujarat riots of 2002, Modi has been the target of a campaign of criticism and condemnation by many sections of Indian civil society for failing to protect the Muslims and for exacerbating the situation through his oratory. No one can deny that initially the Gujarat authorities failed to deal with the rioters firmly. But subsequently, the police acted ruthlessly against the Hindu mobs. How does one judge whether the police acted firmly or not in riots between members of two religious communities? From the number of people killed in police firing. It was reported that more Hindus died from police bullets during the anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat in 2002 than during the anti-Sikh riots in Delhi in 1994 and during the anti-Muslim riots in Madhya Pradesh in the 1960s. Does this show culpability on the part of the Gujarat administration? If Modi is guilty of violation of human rights of religious minorities, as alleged by the US, so were Narasimha Rao, Rajiv Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, D P Mishra, and Kamaraj. Why did the US, in its hypocrisy, choose to act against Modi, and never in the past against the others? There are several reasons for this. One of them is that the Christian influence on US policy-making and its political leadership was not as strong in the past as it is today. Another is that no Indian, whether living in India or in the US, would have ever thought of seeking the intervention of the US to teach a lesson to another Indian whom they disliked strongly. Who were the people who ganged up against Modi to humiliate him and teach him a lesson? Sections of the so-called secularists in India and the US, many of them Hindus, who cannot stand the sight of any party which seeks to articulate the feelings of Hindus and give them a sense of pride in their identity as Hindus. These secularists vie with one another in visiting Islamabad and getting themselves photographed with President General Pervez Musharraf as a certificate of their secularism. Has any one of them ever condemned Musharraf for his murder of democracy or for the continuing massacre of Shias and Balochis under his rule? Never. For them, Musharraf, or for that matter a Muslim or a Christian can do no wrong. All the wrongs in this part of the world are done only by the Hindus. The Christian fundamentalist organisations in the US played an important role in ensuring the re-election of President Bush and he owes them a political debt. They have made it appear that their action in demanding that Modi be barred from entry into the US was motivated by their outrage at the plight of Muslims in Gujarat. The real reason is their anger at his alleged action to prevent foreign Christian missionaries from indulging in proselytisation. For the so-called secularists of India and of Indian origin in the US, Christian or Muslim fundamentalism is all right but Hindu assertiveness is a sin. Who are the people in the US whose help they sought to humiliate Modi and to teach him a lesson? Those who supported the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. Those who strongly opposed any action or even an inquiry against Rumsfeld and his senior officers for the gross violation of human rights of Iraqis. Those who justified or rationalised the inhuman treatment of Muslims by the US in the detention centre at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Those who are supporting the call for a regime change in Iran. These are the elements which are closest to the US administration, and their intervention against Modi at the urging of the so-called secularists, led to the humiliation of an Indian by the US at the instance of other Indians. They have not so far been able to succeed in their attempts to drive him out of power in Gujarat. So they sought America's intervention. In the US, large sections of the population have been calling for action against Rumsfeld for the human rights violations in Iraq. They have not succeeded. Have they taken their case to a foreign government or court to teach him a lesson? No. And they never will. They would consider it unpatriotic. Not in India and among sections of Indians abroad. If one Indian stabs another Indian in the back with the help of a foreign power, he is considered a progressive, a liberal, a secularist. Cry, the beloved country!
 




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