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Tuesday, January 04, 2005
  Demographic Politics And Population Growth 1.1
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 7 2004, 12:58 PM
This indeed is a very important question. We must watch all places where this report will be used as a 'reason' to do XYZ. This probably deserves a thread of its own. Why was the report released NOW ?
Posted by: Krishna Sep 7 2004, 01:02 PM
Also, maybe this report is out now to prevent this reservations thing from going through. Maybe I'm wrong but this maybe reverse-vote-bank politics by Congress..........playing both sides!
Posted by: Mudy Sep 7 2004, 01:04 PM
Census authority normally release information at this time. This is first time it religion based census, one more good thing done by NDA.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 7 2004, 05:39 PM
Wrong each decade the religion based census is released about 5 years after the census
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 7 2004, 06:19 PM
Foolish hindus in Assam, Kerala , UP, West Bengal, doing too much family planning Decadal growth per state State Muslims 1991 Hindus 1991 Muslims 2001 Hindus 2001 Muslim % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Hindu % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Assam 6.373 15.047 8.24 17.296 29.3 14.9 Andhra 5.923 59.281 6.987 67.837 18.0 14.4 Gujurat 3.607 36.964 4.592 45.143 27.3 22.1 Haryana 0.764 14.687 1.223 18.656 60.1 27.0 Karnataka 5.234 38.432 6.463 44.321 23.5 15.3 Kerala 6.788 16.668 7.864 17.883 15.9 7.3 Mahara 7.629 64.033 10.27 77.859 34.6 21.6 Orissa 0.578 29.971 0.762 34.726 31.8 15.9 Rajasthan 3.525 39.201 4.788 50.151 35.8 27.9 Tamil 3.052 49.532 3.471 54.985 13.7 11.0 Uttar 24.109 113.713 30.74 133.979 27.5 17.8 West Ben 16.075 50.866 20.24 58.104 25.9 14.2 INDIA 106.6 690 138.2 827.579 29.6 19.9
Posted by: Karkala Joishy Sep 8 2004, 05:28 AM
Hey guys, check this out Is this a coverup? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/843710.cms NEW DELHI: If census statistics released on Monday on the growth of India’s Muslims seem to reinforce stereotypes about the community, a closer scrutiny of the numbers tells another story. The report suggests, while the growth rate for Hindus has fallen between 1991 and 2001 compared with 1981-91, Muslims have actually grown faster in the last decade. The truth is quite different. Both Hindus and Muslims have seen a significant fall in population growth rates. The false impression about a rising Muslim growth rate is created because the 1991 census did not include Jammu & Kashmir, the only Muslim majority state, while the 2001 census does include J&K. Adjust for this and the Muslim growth rate plunges from 36 per cent to 29.3 per cent, while that for Hindus is only marginally affected. Excluding the Muslims of J&K from the 2001 figures, the growth of the Muslim population from 1991 to 2001 was 29.3 per cent, significantly lower than the near 33 per cent growth figure of 1981-91. The adjusted Hindu growth rate comes to 19.9 per cent. The census report is a basic tool for policymakers at all levels. When contacted, Registrar General and Census Commissioner J K Banthia confirmed that the growth rates released on Monday were misleading.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 8 2004, 05:55 AM
No this is not a mistake I have corrected for this and in my last post I said that muslim growth was actually 30%, not 36%
Posted by: amarnath Sep 8 2004, 06:27 AM
I couldnt keep from asking this question. If tomorrow i get get married and give birth to five kids in order to save our 'religion' from anybody , can i err expect some help from people who advocate having 5 kids inorder to raise and feed the 5 ? An office going average hindu earns maximum 30,000 lets say.How do you really plan to raise five kids with so little money esp with the fact that the wife cannot work because she has to take care of her kids. In a country of one billion people , with so many social issues , i really dont think this idea of having 5 kids a very good one. sleepysmileyanim.gif
Posted by: Karkala Joishy Sep 8 2004, 09:03 AM
I agree with Amarnath. Not a good idea. We should enforce family planning in some way. More babies = more problems.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 8 2004, 10:43 AM
OK here goes the plight of the bengali hindu is due to family planning As late as 1800, hindus were 60% of bengal Then they over-educated their women and aped western fertility and muslims became majority only in 1881 Do family planning and have 2 kids and soon the quantity oriented muslims who have 5 kids will abduct your quality daughter, halal your quality son and grab your property as has happened to the bengali hindu More babies = de-islamised society More babies = march of islam halted When march of islam is halted, then islam starts to implode
Posted by: gangajal Sep 8 2004, 01:11 PM
More babies will only create ecological disaster. Strict enforcement of family planning is the answer. Actually it seems Govt of India was aware of the explosive muslim population growth earlier this year. NDA govt held a population conference involving NDAs and NGOs that discussed this very issue. The UPA govt unveiled an expensive population control initiative targetting the high growth states with special emphasis on controlling the muslim population just about a month before the unveling of the census reports. It is obvious to everyone that continuing run away muslim population growth is unsustainable in the long run.
Posted by: acharya Sep 8 2004, 01:12 PM
Amar Singh questions census figures By Neena Vyas NEW DELHI, SEPT. 8. The Samajwadi Party has questioned the "deliberate or accidental" release of "false" growth figures of religious communities by the Registrar-General and Census Commissioner of India and said those indulging in such mischief on "highly sensitive subjects" should be "held accountable." The party general secretary, Amar Singh, who was speaking to the press here today referred to the "apparently false figure" of a 36 per cent growth in the Muslim population in the 1991-2001 decade. While decrying the "communalisation" of the census data, he said: "We should be concerned with the increase in the total population of the country, not with the increase in the number of people belonging to a particular caste or community." `False statement' Mr. Singh said that after making a "false statement" that the Muslim population had grown by a whopping 36 per cent over the last decade, it had now come to light that this figure had been arrived at by ignoring the fact that in the 1991 census the Muslim majority State of Jammu and Kashmir had been skipped because of the prevailing militancy. This time, since the Jammu and Kashmir population had been enumerated the figure for the total number of Muslims in the country had gone up, showing a 1.5 percentage points increase in the growth rate over the previous decade. `Mischief ' Mr. Singh said he did not know whether the "mischief" done was deliberate or accidental, but in either case the person should be held accountable. He indicated that on such "sensitive subjects" one could not allow people in responsible positions to create totally false impressions. Apparently, if the religion data of the census 2001 was compared with the 1991 data minus Jammu and Kashmir, which did not figure in the 1991 census, the growth rate of Muslims worked out to about 30 per cent compared to a 34.5 per cent growth in the previous decade, a fall of 4.5 percentage points.
Posted by: acharya Sep 8 2004, 01:15 PM
Any reason for creating this confusion or is this part of a secret message to the Islamists to create an alternative political formation. The idea being that that there is enough support at the pop.
Posted by: Mudy Sep 8 2004, 01:19 PM
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message to the Islamists to create an alternative political formation
It is congress and commie agenda to create confusion so that they can stay in power. Ofcouse it will help Islamist to create pre 1947 situation and speed up Islamist agenda against kufir. It is alraming situation. Now muslim league is part of govt , foolish jaichand are doing best to destroy India and Indic civilization.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 8 2004, 04:09 PM
Gangajal, Amarnath, Karkala ---- Read my earlier postings on this thread that show India is not over populated ecologically Further Laws are unenforceable in India especially on muslims There is an old film by "Mel Brooks' "History of the world part 1" Therein in an important scene the heroine is given the choice " Hump or death" I have put it crudely but unless we cut back on lifestyle and squeeze in 4-5 kids we will face the islamic halal in a few decades Especially our 'quality' kids If you love your kids give them lots of siblings Our parents had 5 kids easily on a much lower salary Its a matter of cutting back lifestyle Its either have 5 or muslims grab your property and stab you and your kids
Posted by: amarnath Sep 8 2004, 08:13 PM
GS You know some times i feel bad at how these muslims behave. Fact is , even education doesnt change them . But , well i am not sure what to type out. Thamasoma Sathgamaya..... .........
Posted by: Sunder Sep 8 2004, 10:52 PM
I for one, do agree with G.S. that outbreeding is The only option left for Hindus. Like it or not, Hindus in Bangladesh, Pakistan and other muslim majority area are decimated. One only had to look at the gross human rights violations that are blatantly done under the garb of Islam.. Hindus DO HAVE other alternatives to protecting themselves from being slaughtered (like the nepalis in Iraq,) or having their children butchered (as it happened in Russian school in Beslan.) The alternatives are: 1) That Every Hindu be agressive in exposing anti-nationals and anti-socials who act under the Garb of Islam, and against India. 2) Actively keep the muslim population under check. (By mass reverting muslims into Hinduism.) 3) Put a stop to the massive breeding of Muslims (who do it under the garb of Islam), and implement uniform civil code, and uniformity in family planning. If you cannot do the above, or are looking for some saviour down the lane to implement this, then you have no option into doing what you can.. i.e. accept that out-breeding is the only option from being Decimated. If you can live like a Lion, do so, else start breeding like Deers. S.
Posted by: amarnath Sep 9 2004, 02:23 AM
Sunder Is option no : 2 realistic at all ? sad.gif
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 9 2004, 06:14 AM
Sunder --- 1. Reconversion is not the major part of the solution Reason being they breed much faster than can be reconverted 2. Gujurat type reprisals while useful, muslims breed it back in 6 hours 3. Even militancy has its limits The sikhs ruled over a kingdom 70% muslim, yet eventually due to demographics they got ethnic cleansed from west punjab The solution to the islam problem in correct priority 1. Match muslim fertility 2. Organise hindus 3. Militarise hindus 4. Attempt shuddi This is a multi-century program For shuddi to succeed, muslims must first lose hope of takeover Their main hope is reproduction Defeat that and you make them amenable to shuddi
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 9 2004, 07:37 AM
‘Bachche paida karo, Allah malik hai (Procreate and God will take care of the rest)’. By Reza Academy run by rich muslims http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=35927&spf=true#compstory Muslims fear misuse of Census report Express News Service Posted online: Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 0126 hours IST Updated: Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 1024 hours IST Mumbai, September 9: The recently-released 2001 Census report has added fuel to the anti-Muslim fire, with members of the minority community fearing that the data could be used as propaganda against the community in the run-up to the forthcoming Assembly elections. The 2001 Census initially pegged the decadal growth rate among the Muslim community at 36 per cent. A day later, news reports stated that the exclusion of Jammu and Kashmir—which has a high Muslim population— in the Census survey in 1991 and its inclusion in 2001 suggested that the growth rate was alarming. They don’t deny the growth rate but say that the reasons for it — poverty and illiteracy — apply to any community. Jogeshwari-based freelance writer Firoze Ashraf says that as in every community, low-income Muslim families tend to have more children. ‘‘They are always under financial pressure. Every child earns, so there is an incentive to have more kids.’’ Adds Feroze Mithiborwala, national convener of Muslim Youth of India: ‘‘Socio-economic factors affecting the community have been completely ignored. Basically, this gives politicians another non-issue.’’ Educator Rehana Undre says the report has left a bad aftertaste. ‘‘The new generation is more aware of the need to restrict the number of children they have,’’ she says. Social reformist, Asghar Ali Engineer scents a communal bias. ‘‘The Sangh Parivar has always misused this. Now it will say there is proof,’’ he rues. In addition to poverty and illiteracy, Engineer attributes a high growth rate among Muslims to minority consciousness—a factor he says that influences fertility behaviour among minorities across the world. Some Muslims argue that the Quran prohibits any form of birth-control methods or abortion. ‘‘But people should practice other forms of control like abstinence,’’ feels Ibrahim Tai, president of the Muslim Council of India. Mohammed Saeed Noori, general secretary of the Raza Academy, further explains: ‘‘We believe that children are god-given and we should not interfere with his will.’’ Another popular belief is that Allah provides for everybody. But the Shiv Sena mouthpiece Saamna on Wednesday quoted Noori as saying, ‘Bachche paida karo, Allah malik hai (Procreate and God will take care of the rest)’.
Posted by: Sunder Sep 9 2004, 08:24 AM
QUOTE (amarnath @ Sep 9 2004, 02:53 PM)
Sunder Is option no : 2 realistic at all ? sad.gif
Think about it. What makes you think it is unrealistic that a muslim cannot be reverted to a Hindu while a Hindu can be converted into islam.? Basically, tight control in Islam and indoctrination/brainwashing. Also, if you attempt to convert (or marry) a muslim girl, there will be a community up and at arms. While hindus do not have that unity and leave each hindu to deal with his or her own problem... I had knowingly put in option #2, just to show how weak the Hindu mind is. If you cannot do that, (and do not agree with breeding out) then let me know of an effective option to keep muslim viral growth under check..
Posted by: Sunder Sep 9 2004, 08:29 AM
QUOTE (G.Subramaniam @ Sep 9 2004, 06:44 PM)
The solution to the islam problem in correct priority 1. Match muslim fertility 2. Organise hindus 3. Militarise hindus 4. Attempt shuddi
G.S. ji, I agree that shuddhi is not the most effective approach as is matching the fertility (increase hindu fertility or decrease muslim fertility.) But before we can think of unifying Hindus there is one major task ahead for which the politicians themselves are the impediments... Breaking class barriers and shattering the myth of the Upper Class/Lower Class divide. This mythical divide is being agressively exploited by Christians, Muslims, Congressies, and Communists alike - in short, it's exploited by every anti-indian. Thus unifying Hindus under one Banner also needs a strategy and a beginning point.
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 9 2004, 09:03 AM
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Social reformist, Asghar Ali Engineer scents a communal bias. ‘‘The Sangh Parivar has always misused this. Now it will say there is proof,’’ he rues.
But isnt there ? This guy Engineer is a snake.. Koenraad Elst has this to say for this guy..
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These riot vultures do a lot of damage to India, among other reasons because they are so eagerly believed abroad. Yet they don’t interest me too much, if only because they pale in comparison with the past master of their art, the one who was already doing the same job long before these newcomers had discovered the uses of riot “reporting” in anti-Hindu hate-mongering. I mean Asghar Ali Engineer. Since approximately the Stone Age, Engineer has been travelling to riot spots in India (butchering of minorities in Pakistan and Bangladesh somehow doesn’t interest him as much) with prefabricated riot reports invariably showing the same ingredients: Hindu pre-planning, Muslim victimhood, anti-Muslim complicity of the police and some local politicians. With the “facts” of the matter fixed beforehand, the main purpose of his visits is to note down some local names in order to give his reports more credibility. Admittedly, Engineer is of a different calibre than his followers, in the sense that he doesn’t mix his mendaciousness in the service of the hate cause with mendaciousness for self-promotion. People like Harsh Mander and Arundhati Roy easily come across as laughable because their corrupting concern for their own image-building detracts mightily from the force of their propaganda against Hinduism: Roy posturing as an environmentalist all while setting up shop in a villa in a protected forest zone, Mander taking early retirement in peacetime from the civil service but falsely claiming that he had “resigned” (which implies loss of pension rights and other privileges) as an act of protest against the Gujarat riots, etc. Engineer won’t be an impeccable human being, but at least his human defects don’t come in the way of his effectiveness as an anti-Hindu campaigner.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 9 2004, 10:04 AM
Sundar, regarding option 2 yes it is the long term solution, but it is a very slow process By the time you convert 1, they produce 1000 Matching muslim fertility, contains the islamic toxicity, while allowing time for shuddi and assimilation Because islamic reproduction is much faster than any solution we have to match islamic breeding Yes do caste reform, yes do hindu solidarity, yes do hindu militancy All these take time And in the meantime, we have to contain islam demographically
Posted by: Mudy Sep 9 2004, 01:12 PM
Muslims' spurt on borderline -pioneer Rana Ajit/ New Delhi The state of Jammu & Kashmir and the Union Territory of Lakshdweep are not the only regions in the country where Muslims outnumber Hindus. The latest Census 2001 Report on Religion revels that the second largest minority community of the country, forming 13.4 per cent of India's population, has outnumbered the majority community in numerous districts in various states. And in several others, Muslims are likely to be greater in number than Hindus soon. But then, it's not that Hindus stand outnumbered in places solely by Muslims. In other regions, too, they have been overtaken numerically even by the third and the fourth largest religious communities - Christians and Sikhs - who otherwise account for a meagre 2.3 and 1.9 per cent of India's total population, respectively. The district-wise profile of the 2001 Census Report reveals that Hindus stand outnumbered by Muslims in at least six districts of Assam, two districts of West Bengal, one of Bihar and one of Uttar Pradesh. In many other districts, the gap between the two communities is closing fast with each passing day. And this is only a list of districts in the bordering states of the country. That these districts, where Hindus have turned into a minority community during the past decade, happen to be either on the international border or close to the border with Bangladesh, gives credence to the suspicion that the demographic profile of these regions have been distorted due to illegal infiltration from across the border. Adding to that is the generally high growth rate of the Muslim population. The six districts of Assam where the Muslims have numerically outstripped Hindus are Dhubri (4,05,065 Hindus/12,16,455 Muslims), Goalpara (3,14,157 Hindus/ 4,41,516 Muslims), Barapet (6,62,066 Hindus/9,77943 Muslims), Nagaon (11,06,354 Hindus/ 11,80,267 Muslims) Karimganj (4,70,708 Hindus/ 5,27,214 Muslims) and Hailakandi 2,23,191 Hindus / 3,12,844 Muslims). The two other districts of Assam where Muslims are closing the gap are Marigaon (4,05,302 Hindus/3,69,398 Muslims) and Cachar (8,86,761 Hindus/5,22,051 Muslims). Intelligence agencies dub a district as sensitive where the minority community forms around 30 per cent of the total population. By that scale, the whole of Assam could be dubbed sensitive as numerically, Muslims account for 30.9 per cent of the state's population.The two district in West Bengal where Hindus have been found in the minority compared to Muslims are Maldah (16,21,468 Hindus/16,36171 Muslims) and Murshidabad (31,07,469 Hindus/ 37,35,380 Muslims). Hindus, with their present strength of 12,63,001 in the Uttar Dinajpur district of the state, too, are likely to be in the minority with 11,56,503-strong Muslim community breathing down their neck. The distinction of being a Muslim-majority district in the Hindi heartland of Bihar goes to Kishanganj where a 8,76,105-strong Muslim community far outnumbers the 4,12,995-strong Hindu community. Katihar (13,63,523 Hindus/ 10,17,495 Muslims), Araria (12,63,766 Hindus/8,87,972 Muslims) and Purnea (15,84,796 Hindus/9,35,239 Muslims) are the other districts of the state where Hindus face the prospect of turning into a minority community soon. The 2001 Census report, in its demographic map for the proportion of the Muslim population in the age group of (0-6 years), which serves as an overall proxy representation of the Muslim proportion in various districts, reveals that Muslims account for more than 21 per cent of the population in 109 districts, 18 to 21 per cent of the population in 152 districts, 15 to 18 per cent of the population in 170 districts, 12 to 15 per cent of the population in 134 districts and 12 or lesser per cent of the population in 28 districts. The national average of the Muslim population in the 0-6 years age group has worked out to be 18.70 per cent. This means that in more than 261 districts of the country, Muslims account for more than their national average population
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 9 2004, 05:51 PM
Signs of BD illegals in this area but so far Bihari hindus are refusing to get ethnic cleansed Sensitive Districts Bihar Muslims 1991 Hindus 1991 Muslims 2001 Hindus 2001 Muslim % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Hindu % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Kishnganj 0.649 0.335 0.876 0.413 35.0 23.3 Katihar 0.728 1.096 1.017 1.363 39.7 24.4 Araria 0.652 0.96 0.888 1.264 36.2 31.7 Purnea 0.649 1.223 0.935 1.585 44.1 29.6
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 9 2004, 05:56 PM
Sensitive Districts West Bengal So far no sign of hindu ethnic cleansing Muslims 1991 Hindus 1991 Muslims 2001 Hindus 2001 Muslim % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Hindu % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Ethnic Cleansed Hindus Maldah 1.252 1.38 1.636 1.621 30.7 17.5 0 Murshbad 2.91 1.823 3.735 2.107 28.4 15.6 0
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 9 2004, 06:00 PM
1 Lakh hindus ethnic cleansed by low level rioting by muslims in Assam In my analysis of the 1981 census in kashmir, I had already detected ethnic cleansing of Pandits in 1971-1981 as a precursor to their final expulsion in 1989 Assam is flashing the same red light Evacuate BD hindus to de-islamise Assam I remember seeing an article in 1994 that muslims were raping hindu women in Assam to ethnic cleanse them Further Sandhya Jain wrote an article on an NCW investigation into this phenomenon a few months ago Sensitive Districts Assam Muslims 1991 Hindus 1991 Muslims 2001 Hindus 2001 Muslim % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Hindu % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Ethnic Cleansed Hindus Dhubri 0.939 0.386 1.216 0.405 29.5 4.9 38514 Goalpara 0.335 0.28 0.441 0.314 31.6 12.1 7720 Barpeta 0.777 0.605 0.978 0.662 25.9 9.4 33145 Nagaon 0.893 0.984 1.18 1.106 32.1 12.4 24616 Karimganj 0.407 0.416 0.527 0.471 29.5 13.2 6984 Halaikandi 0.246 0.197 0.313 0.223 27.2 13.2 3353 Morigaon 0.289 0.35 0.369 0.405 27.7 15.7 0 Cachar 0.419 0.773 0.522 0.887 24.6 14.7 1177
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 12 2004, 05:37 PM
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=3&theme=&usrsess=1&id=54098
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 12 2004, 08:54 PM
Meaning even educated muslim women produce lots of kids while educated hindu women blindly ape xtians and fail to do their demographic duty Dailypioneer Muslim populace: High literacy, higher growth Rana Ajit/ New Delhi The Census 2001 report on religion has exploded the myth that the high growth of Muslim population is mainly due to their low literary rate. The Census data released last week makes the startling disclosure that even high literacy rate, to the tune of 70 to 90 per cent amongst Muslims in southern and western India, has failed to curb their population growth. Despite their higher literacy rate, the country's second largest community in these regions continue to have a growth rate higher than those of other communities in their immediate vicinity. Worse, they have a "Work Participation Rate (WPR)" or economic activity lower than those around them. Take the example of Kerala in the south. The Muslims have nearly 90 per cent literacy rate here. Still their Work Participation Rate is a meagre 23 per cent, much below their their own WPR national average of 31.3 per cent and all other communities' WPR of 32.3 in the state. Despite the state restricting its population growth rate to 9.4 per cent, the Muslims have a growth rate of 16 per cent here. Of course, they deserve credit for restricting it here to nearly half of their pan-India growth rate of 29.3 per cent. Move over to Maharashtra in the west. The Muslims here have a literacy rate of 78.1 per cent, better than those of Hindus with 76.2 percent. Yet the Muslims here have a growth rate of nearly 35 per cent (their respective population in 2001 and 1991 being 10,270,485 and 7,628,755) - a whopping 12 per cent higher than the state's total population's growth rate of 23 per cent (the State's 2001 and 1991 population respectively being 96,878,627 and 78,937,187). In Maharashtra, their growth rate is nearly 6 per cent higher than their own pan-India growth rate. Yet in the state, their WPR is merely 32.4 per cent, marginally higher than their national average of WPR. In the neighbouring Gujarat, they have a literacy rate of 73.5 per cent, but are marred by a growth rate of 27.3 per cent against the state' total population growth rate of 22.6 per cent and low WPR of 32 per cent against the state's total population's WPR of 42 per cent. In Chhattisgarh, the country's second largest community has a literacy rate of 82.5 per cent, but their growth rate here is nearly 37 per cent against the state's total population growth rate of 18.27 per cent. And against a WPR of 46.5 per cent for the total population of the state, the Muslims' WPR here remains stuck at 32.3 per cent. Move over towards east to Orissa, where they again have a respectable literacy rate of 71.3 per cent, but are again marred by a high growth rate of 32 per cent and low WPR of 26.9 per cent. Back to Andhra Pradesh in the south, the Muslims have a literacy rate of 68 per cent, but a growth rate of 18 per cent, nearly 3.5 per cent higher than the state's total population growth rate of 14.5 per cent. In Andhra Pradesh, they have a WPR of 33.8 per cent against the state's total population's WPR of 46 per cent. Incidentally, Indonesia is the only country with a Muslim population which can be compared to India's. The Muslims account for 88 per cent of Indonesian total population with Hindu's forming a meagre 2 per cent. And Indonesia's total population's growth rate is just 1.54 per cent. But the Indonesia is not what India is.
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 13 2004, 01:00 PM
http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/sep/13swadas.htm
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That is small comfort to those concerned with both economic development and social harmony. In 1961, the total Muslim population was 10.69 percent and in 1971 it rose to 11.20 percent. In 2001, it has climbed to 13.44 percent. More to the point, among those who are six years of age and below, the proportion of Muslims is 18.70 percent -- which would indicate that the Muslim growth rate will be much higher in the coming decades.
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 13 2004, 01:04 PM
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/hpi/2004/9/10.shtml#3
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 13 2004, 02:09 PM
http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=403128 But worry not.. Sab changaa hai.. smile.gif
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"We are ready to work with BJP and VHP to find out solutions to the problem, as long as it does not involve murder and assassination
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Maintaining that while Muslims were "largely a leaderless community," Sadiq said if Ulemas, Maulvis and bodies like AIMPLB and All India Milli Council appealed in favour of family planning, it was likely to have some effect.
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Asked about the large number of Muslims alleged involved in militant activities, Sadiq said Islam denounced any kind of violence. "But if people are oppressed for long, they will naturally rise up in revolt," he added.
This guy is hilarious..
Posted by: Viren Sep 14 2004, 08:13 AM
http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?id=13566404
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 14 2004, 04:11 PM
" says the doctor, who herself is the mother of three daughters and a son." See muslim doctors breed 4 kids and no reason any hindu woman howsoever professional need have less than 4 kids If hindu career women cant even undergo the discomfort of having 4 kids, how can they withstand an islamic rapist when muslims reach critical mass ? G.S ----- Original Message ----- From: "mw_mod" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: [media_monitor5] Fatwa against baby sex test Fatwa against baby sex test - By Amita Verma Lucknow, Sept. 14: In a move that could have far-reaching consequences, two Muslim religious institutions in Lucknow have issued a fatwa against sex determination tests and female foeticide. The two institutions, Darul-Uloom Nadwatul Ulama and Firangi Mahal, have said in separate fatwas that carrying out sex determination tests with the intention of identifying the sex of the unborn child and then aborting the female foetus was un-Islamic. Maulana Masood Hasan Hasni of Darul Iftah in Nadwa says in his fatwa: "Islam gives equal status to the male and the female child and women are to be treated with respect and honour. Sex determination tests are, therefore, against the principles of Islam because they allow one to discover the gender of the unborn child and abort it. Children are gifts of Allah and abortion amounts to murder. If any Muslim resorts to sex determination tests then he is a sinner according to Islam, and even the doctor who carries out these tests is gunehgaar (guilty)." Similarly, Maulana Khalid Rashid Nizamuddin Firangi Mahali of Firangi Mahal says: "Daughters are a nemat (blessing) of Allah and abortion of the female foetus is an offence. Daughters should, in fact, be brought up with love and greater care because they grow up to be mothers. Islam advocates equality and one who abets the murder of the unborn girl child is an offender. In fact, anyone who learns about this fatwa and then goes ahead with sex determination tests or abortion of the female foetus will commit an unpardonable offence under Islam." The fatwas by these two institutions were issued after a newspaper report said that sex determination tests were getting increasingly popular among Muslims in various UP towns and were also leading to abortion of the female foetus. The fatwas assume significance since they come almost simultaneously with the All India Muslim Personal Law Board's proposal to encourage Muslims to restrict their family size to two children. However, the fatwas do not seem to find favour with Muslim doctors for obvious reasons. Dr Ayesha Khan (name changed on request), a leading gynaecologist, says the fatwas ignore the changing times. "It is no longer possible for couple to have eight or 10 children and fend for them. Most young couples prefer two children - a son and a daughter - and if they choose to plan their family, religion should not interfere in the matter," says the doctor, who herself is the mother of three daughters and a son. Another leading Muslim doctor, who runs a nursing home and offers the sex determination facilities as well, seemed equally upset at the fatwa. "It is better not to bring a child into this world rather than let it be born and then leave it to die. For example, last year there were two cases in my nursing home where the mothers disappeared after delivery, leaving the girl child in the cot. We had to arrange for homes for the babies. If the parents do not want a girl child, it is better that they do not let it be born," said the doctor on condition of anonymity. He then added that his clinic allowed sex determination tests only in genuine cases where the health of the mother or the unborn child was in danger.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 14 2004, 04:25 PM
Maulana Sadiq has been talking of quality while Islam talks about quantity Dailypioneer Muslim clerics shoot down Kalbe's small family call Pioneer News Service/ Lucknow/Delhi An overwhelming majority of Muslim clerics and leaders have come out against vice-president of the All-India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) Maulana Kalbe Sadiq, terming his advocacy of family planning as anti-Islamic and a gross violation of the Shariat. Reacting to Mr Sadiq's statement, Maulana Rabe Hasani Nadvi, AIMPLB president, shot down the proposal, describing it as "un-Islamic". Mohammad Abdul Rahim Quraishi, AIMPLB spokesman, said from Hyderabad: "The issue of the greater rate of growth of the Muslim population has become a non-issue after clarification by the Census Commissioner." He added that Islam did not approve of family planning methods but assured that any proposal from Maulana Sadiq will be considered "according to the rules of the Shariat". According to Ali Congress president Javed Murtaza, it has been written in Quran-Sharif not to "kill your" children for fear of starvation. "Tum bhukhmari ke darr se apni aulad ko katl mat karo, hum tumhe bhi khana dete hain aur use bhi," quoted Mr Murtaza. According to him, Maulana Sadiq has been talking of quality while Islam talks about quantity. Brushing aside the idea of putting the issue of family planning in the agenda of the next meeting of the AIMPLB, Khalid Rasheed Firang Mahli, who is among five Maulanas in the country empowered to issue a fatwa, questioned that how can an anti-Islamic issue be incorporated in the agenda. He said that family planning is not permitted in Islam and hence it cannot be imposed. Terming it "Nazayaz (illegal)", the Maulana said that in case a woman has risk of life in delivering a child, only then it can be permitted. He said that Mr Sadiq may have his own opinion on the issue but the Muslim community cannot accept something which is anti- Shariat. Another member of AIMPLB Zafaryab Jilani said Maulana Sadiq's statement is his personal view. It has nothing to do with the board or its agenda, he said. SQR Ilyas of the AIMPLB said Islam was against the permanent methods of family planning but approved of temporary methods of spacing. "Permanent methods can only be adopted if the woman is in danger of losing her life by conception," he said.
Posted by: acharya Sep 14 2004, 06:00 PM
NDF accuses BJP of communalising Census report By Our Staff Reporter KOLLAM, SEPT. 14. The general secretary of the National Development Front (NDF), Nazaruddin Elamaram, has said that the intensity of the Bhartiya Janata Party's (BJP) inherent anti-Muslim agenda can be gauged from its attempts to communalise, spread panic and make political gains out of a debatable growth index in the Muslim population of the country. He was talking to The Hindu here on Tuesday. When asked for the NDF's reaction to the BJP demand for a two-child family in the wake of the religion data report released by the Registrar General and Census Commissioner of India, Mr. Elamaram said that targeting the Muslim community appears to be the only ideology of the BJP and the Sangh Parivar bandwagon. He said that while the population figure is a social issue, population control becomes a religious issue in the Muslim community. Since the NDF does not interfere with religious aspects, the organisation does not wish to pass any comment either on the data provided by the Census Commissioner or on the demands raised by the BJP. He said that the NDF policy is to ignore such postures of the BJP. In order to keep the party afloat, the BJP leaders have no option but to target the Muslim community. They have been doing it for years and will continue doing so.
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 14 2004, 06:50 PM
http://www.hindu.com/2004/09/15/stories/2004091505181100.htm All is well in the shariah land.. I was getting worried for a while..
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In Lucknow, the AIMPLB president, Maulana Rabe Hasan Nadvi, rejected the idea saying that the family planning concept itself was " un-Islamic and cannot be accepted".
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His remarks however have sparked off a debate within the community, with some of his fellow clerics like the Jammait Ulema Hind leader, Mehmood Madani, coming out openly against it. According to Maulana Madni the move is ill timed. He is also opposed to it on two grounds. "Firstly, the figures show that the growth rate is coming down, yet this whole issue has been foisted on the community by the communalists in a manner that it puts us under pressure. If we issue an appeal at this juncture it would mean that we are accepting their view that the Muslim population is growing exponentially, while it is not. Secondly, there is no religious sanction for family planning," Maulana Madni, told The Hindu.
Oh and "The Hindu" calls this "differs on small family norm"...
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 14 2004, 07:40 PM
http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?id=13566258 by chandan mitra..
Posted by: Mudy Sep 15 2004, 09:14 AM
Speech By : Dr. Ahmed Totenji of Riyadh University Venu : Gorakhpur Organized by the Jamaet-E-Islam Date : 17 September 1982 "The so-called secular parties of India have no principles and there is nothing on earth they are not prepared to do in order to achieve some personal gains. The Indian leaders, Newspapers, and the pseudo secular parties were paid 250 crores of rupees for the purpose. This has already yielded encouraging result. They will always be fighting against the Hindu organizations from now on. Whenever the Muslim population will reach about 20 or 25 crores, we can easily wipe out these Hindu Organizations. Remember the way we had taken help and assistance from the communists in Iran and even from Russia to drive away the Shah and then wiped out the communists. We did the same in Indonesia. There is no reason that India can be any exception. Mind you, only 15 per cent of Muslims had fought against 85 per cent Hindus to found Pakistan. So I see no problem whatsoever for 30 per cent Muslims to wipe out these so-called Nationalist or pseudo-secular parties to establish an Islamic state in India.” . www.hvk.org/specialrepo/seo/
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 15 2004, 02:46 PM
http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=403386 OK here is a guess.. If these type of questions are constantly put up - guess whats going to happen by 2010 (time for next census) ??? "Census is unislamic" Mark my words.. B-)
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 15 2004, 06:18 PM
My projection census 2011 will show muslims at 14% If you recall earlier on this thread, I had said that muslims will come in at 138 million and I was correct If you cant control muslim breeding and illegal immigration, the only option is counter-breeding
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 16 2004, 05:13 PM
Telegraphindia Train from Bangladesh Curiously, the rise in Muslim population in most of south Bengal in the Nineties has been somewhat expected. In the Calcutta census district, the humungous net growth of 53.67 per cent in the Eighties quietened down to 20 per cent in the next decade. There are signs of the wave waning in Nadia and North 24 Parganas too, maybe due to the rising pressure of the resident population growth, extensive unbanization and spread of awareness ---- Reading this it is clear that preventing a demographic vacuum prevents islamisation And the way to prevent a demographic vacuum is to have 5 kids G.S
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 16 2004, 09:20 PM
Many districts such as Meerut and Moradabad have been divided and I cant do an accurate analysis Yet, in UP in the past decade, at least 5 lakh maybe even 10 lakh hindus have been ethnic cleansed by muslims This is noticeable in areas where muslims exceed 25%, such as western UP In some of western UP districts with a strong Jat presence, muslims are not successful in ethnic cleansing hindus Muslims 1991 Hindus 1991 Muslims 2001 Hindus 2001 Muslim % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Hindu % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Ethnic Cleansed Hindus Saharanpur 0.834 1.475 1.133 1.764 35.9 19.6 65000 Muzaffarnagar 0.981 1.862 1.35 2.193 37.6 17.8 115880 Bijnor 0.99 1.465 1.306 1.826 31.9 24.6 0 Rampur 0.72 0.78 0.945 0.978 31.3 25.4 0 Ghaziabad 0.572 2.13 0.783 2.507 36.9 17.7 134200 Bareilly 0.927 1.9 1.226 2.393 32.3 25.9 0 Pilibhit 0.297 0.986 0.391 1.254 31.6 27.2 0 Kheri 0.437 1.98 0.613 2.594 40.3 31.0 0
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 17 2004, 09:08 AM
Bose said that those political parties that most fear the increasing numbers of Muslims had better be prepared. "According to my estimate, Muslims will form 20 per cent or more of India's population before the population finally stabilises," he said. -0- And the only solution is counterbreeding and evacuating the BD hindus --- Any of our so called hindu women still squeamish about having 5 kids ???? G.S ----- Original Message ----- From: "mw_mod" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:56 AM Subject: [media_monitor5] Census: figuring out the truth > > The Rediff Special/Amberish K Diwanji > > September 17, 2004 > > http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/sep/17spec.htm > > > It is the kind of data that politicians love and researchers warn > against misinterpreting: the census data according to religion that > was released in New Delhi on September 6, 2004, by Professor Ashish > Bose, one of India's foremost demographers with many books on the > subject to his credit. > > There are two particular figures that have already been seized by > politicians, especially those who love to believe that in the years > to come Muslims will outnumber Hindus in India. > > The figures are stark: Hindus as a proportion of India's population > have decreased by 2.9 per cent in the last four decades from around > 83 per cent to over 80 per cent; conversely, the Muslim population > has risen by 2.7 per cent to stand at 13.4 per cent. The remaining > communities, namely Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, and others, > have more or less remained constant (it is the category listed as > Others that has shown a 0.2 per cent rise). > > The rise in the proportion of Muslims is because of a consistently > faster growth rate when compared to Hindus over the decades. The > Muslim growth rate has always been higher than that of the Hindus and > all the other communities. And this is the second aspect that might > raise concerns: even as growth rates of all the communities have been > dropping, Muslim growth rates have dropped, but much less. > > In fact, the census report initially claimed that comparing the > decades of 1981-1991 and 1991-2001, Muslim growth rates had actually > gone up from 34.5 per cent to 36 per cent. But it was later pointed > out that this rate was computed without factoring in Jammu and > Kashmir (owing to terrorist violence, no census was undertaken in > Jammu and Kashmir in 1991). > > After accounting for Jammu and Kashmir, like all the other > communities, the Muslim growth rate too has been declining, having > gone from 34.5 per cent in 1981-91 to 30 per cent in 1991-2001. This > remains substantially higher than the Hindu growth rate for the same > period, which is at the 20 per cent mark. The other communities are > lower still. > > Prof Bose admitted to rediff.com that Jammu and Kashmir had not been > factored in, which makes a major difference: that the Muslim growth > rate had not risen as was first reported. But this is a correction > that vested interests are likely to ignore. > > "It is tragic that the census reports will be misused by various > political parties when really they are inputs for researchers," > lamented Bose in a telephone interview from New Delhi. He said that > even reports that this was the first time India has undertaken a > census on the basis of religion was wrong. "We have had religious > census since 1881, when they first started. What is new is that now > we have cross-tabulated religion with literacy, work force, income > levels, etc," he said. > > So what accounts for the higher Muslim growth? > > Bose was candid. He said: "Today both Hindutva parties and the > secular parties distort the truth for their own political reasons. We > cannot deny the very simple fact that across the various socio- > economic spectrums, Muslim growth has been consistently higher than > that of other communities. And religion does play a role. Muslims > have been much less willing to adopt family planning practices as > compared to other communities." > > Bose was critical of economists and 'secularists' who only looked at > socio-economic indicators and refused to see religious factors that > also play a role. "Throughout the world, Muslim growth rates are > higher. Clearly this has a religious implication. It does not apply > to India alone. And we must accept this fact even if it is not > palatable," he insisted. > > Moreover, Muslims form a high proportion in the 'border' states of > India. The highest proportion of Muslims are in the tiny islands of > Lakshadweep in the Arabian Sea: 97 per cent of a population of around > 60,000. Then comes Jammu and Kashmir, where Muslims form 67 per cent > of the 10 million souls. Next is Assam where Muslims comprise 31 per > cent and are a majority in three districts; then comes West Bengal > where Muslims form 25 per cent of the population; followed by Uttar > Pradesh with 18.5 per cent and Bihar with 16.5 per cent. > > "No wonder the fear of Muslim increase is exploited, for there is > perhaps some worry that in future Muslim majority areas might seek to > do another Pakistan," Bose pointed out. > > But religion is simply not the only reason. Socio-economic factors > play a crucial role in growth rates across the world and certainly in > India, and the census only reinforces this condition. > > "The simple fact is that Muslims form a larger proportion of India's > poorest states like Assam, Bengal, and the BIMARU states [earlier > meaning Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Uttar Pradesh; now it > also includes Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh]. In these states, even the > Hindu growth rate is far higher than that of Hindus elsewhere and so > is the case of Muslims. But since Muslims are a much larger > proportion here compared with Muslims in the West and South (where > they average at 10 per cent or less of the state's population with > the notable exception of Kerala), it reflects in a higher overall > growth rate," he pointed out. > > He added that Muslim growth rates in the southern and western parts > are far lower than those of their co-religionists in the North. > > Bose said that those political parties that most fear the increasing > numbers of Muslims had better be prepared. "According to my estimate, > Muslims will form 20 per cent or more of India's population before > the population finally stabilises," he said. > > Different studies have different dates, but for the sake of > convenience it is believed that India's population will stabilise > only after 2050 (perhaps by 2060), by which time India would have > overtaken China as the world's most populous nation with around 1.6 > billion inhabitants! Some studies believe that Uttar Pradesh and > Bihar might see their populations stabilise only by 2100. > > Extrapolating these figures, Muslims might then number anywhere > between 320 million and 330 million, and considering that the world's > largest Muslim nation, Indonesia, is seeing its population stabilise > [currently at 180 million], India might well have the world's largest > Muslim population! > > "I would say that we should not even call the Muslims a minority. > They are in fact the second largest majority and should see > themselves as such," insisted Bose. > > He also said that despite what politicians say, large Muslim > countries like Indonesia and neighbouring Bangladesh have been > extremely successful in controlling their population growth. "It is a > question of will and of the religious leaders coming forward. If > these two Muslim countries can control their populations, there is no > reason why Muslim leaders cannot do so in > India," he said, adding that the need to control population was to > ensure a better standard of living. > > In a democracy, one might see more numbers as more voting power, but > the tragic fact for Muslims is that they are among the poorest > Indians. That poverty is correlated to high population growth rates > is a global reality to which neither the Hindus nor the Muslims of > India are an exception. > > "The Muslim growth rate is very similar to the growth rates of the > Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, the poorest segments of Hindu > society," he said. > > The high Muslim growth rate thus only shows that a vast majority of > Muslims continue to occupy the low end of the economic segment; > precisely the segment that will have many children. > > The remedy is clear, especially for those political parties that most > fear the increasing number of Muslims in India. Improve the socio- > economic status of the Indian Muslims besides propagating the > benefits of a small family. But one without the other is unlikely to > work. > > Illustrations: Uttam Ghosh | Headline Image and Graph: Uday Kuckian > > > >
Posted by: k.ram Sep 18 2004, 07:48 PM
Secularism, the last refuge of the corrupt Bulbul Roy Mishra http://www.dailypioneer.com/archives2/default12.asp? main_variable=OPED&file_name=opd4%2Etxt&counter_img=4&phy_path_it=F% 3A%5Cdailypioneer%5Carchives2%5Csep1604 Let the inferno of thy indignation consume the wrong-doer and the indolent one alike. Rabindranath Tagore's equi-contempt for the one who committed a wrong and the one who tolerated such wrong was not merely an emotional outburst but a logical deduction holding both as equally guilty. From time immemorial, there has been no dearth of attempts to justify tolerance to offences palpably wrong, on philosophical, material or political counts. The apologist while defending inaction has invariably pleaded either helplessness, like the blind Dhritarashtra in Mahabharata, or compulsion, like Mr Manmohan Singh, the honest Indian premier, has been murmuring of. There is no denying that the Cabinet of Mr Manmohan Singh comprises tainted and perceptibly dishonest politicians against whom serious charges of corruption are pending trial in courts. Given a choice, Mr Singh would certainly not have included politicians like Messrs Shibu Soren (now dropped), Lalu Prasad Yadav, Mohammad Taslimuddin, MAA Fatmi, Jayprakash Narayan Yadav, Prem Chandra Gupta, etc., in his Cabinet till at least they were cleared by the courts. But the compulsion of coalition politics has blinded him altogether of the inevitable disastrous consequences owing to their inclusion. Secularism has now been a convenient refuge for crafty and corrupt politicians, projecting communalism and not corruption as the largest issue before the country, parading themselves as saviours of the minorities. Communalism or secularism, however, was missing as an issue when India became independent after witnessing the worst ever riots followed by the Partition. When KT Shah of the Congress moved an amendment to the draft Constitution to declare India to be a "secular, socialist", sovereign, democratic republic, it was turned down by BR Ambedkar and others on two grounds. First, the Constitution having recognised separate religious entities had lost its secular character. Second, Hindus who constituted over 85 per cent were secular in their outlook and, therefore, it was redundant. Though there was no provocation or warrant for Indira Gandhi during the Emergency to amend the Constitution to incorporate the word "secular", her only raison d'etre was to gain minority support for all her wrongs. The realpolitik of Emergency still continues, rendering secularism as the refuge of the corrupt and the crooks. According to Transparency International's Corruption Perception Index, 2003, India ranks 83 in the list of 133 countries (in descending order from the least to the most corrupt) and is placed in the bottom half of even Asian countries, below Singapore (5) Hong Kong (14), Japan (21), Malaysia and UAE (37), Saudi Arabia (46), China and Sri Lanka (66). With the induction of tainted ministers in the UPA Cabinet, India's rank is likely to go down further, affecting its future economically as also on moral front. The oft-cited NDA precedence will obviously impress none as Mr Vajpayee did not patronise any corrupt minister. Even assuming he did, it does not justify the UPA Government going gaga with perceptibly corrupt ministers with the pretension to fight for secularism, supposedly in peril. Corruption in India has been spreading like a plague affecting every sphere of life. Divesting India of its spiritual past in the name of secularism destroyed the very foundation that propped up national leaders in the freedom movement like Tilak, Gandhi, Bose and several others who did not find any contradiction between secularism and Hindu spirituality as contained in the Upanishads, Vedanta and Gita. This spiritual orientation in character building, strongly advocated by Swami Vivekananda, was clearly wanting in Mr Nehru's prescription for independent India. The demonic lust, greed for power and wealth, and the desire to lord over the poor and the weak, got unleashed and uncontrolled, witnessing concentration of power and wealth in a few hands and the vast multitude languishing in poverty. This distortion in Indian economy caused by cancerous corruption is clearly detrimental to investment and growth. "No matter how much investment and trade flows into a country," wrote James Wolfensohn, President, World Bank, in his article 'A Back to Basics Anti-Corruption Strategy', "and no matter how fast the economy is growing, economic stability cannot take root in an environment subverted by corruption." To him, corruption "undermines the rule of law, strangles economic growth and hurts the poor most severely". His observation: "The perception in donor countries that corruption in recipient countries sends their aid assistance down a black hole is a threat to future aid," could not have been missed by our economist premier and his honest and competent colleague in the Finance. They surely realise that the continuation of tainted ministers in the Cabinet may administer a serious blow to the country's image and consequently the economy in near future, resulting in shrinkage of foreign exchange reserve, gradual withdrawal of direct foreign investment and unabated inflation. Wolfensohn further remarked: "Voters no longer tolerate corruption or the misappropriation of public trust. Civil society in nearly every country in the world is holding the leaders accountable." Unfortunately in India, corrupt leaders have been managing to win election after election even while in jail, allegedly by rigging through the mafia at their command. As for remedial action, drastic electoral reforms are the need of the hour so that corrupt individuals are barred ab initio from contesting in the polls. Second, the state funding of polls may seriously be considered so as to curb the influence of money in the electoral process. Third, the institution of Lokpal to try corruption charges against ministers including the prime minister and other senior public servants may be set up at the earliest. Corruption is a tool of the evil to make the rich richer, the powerful more powerful and the poor poorer. The nation should confront the evil boldly rather than turning to non-issues like secularism, aroused usually by political demagogues who are perceived to be the most corrupt.
Posted by: acharya Sep 19 2004, 11:22 AM
UP muslims analysing the election for the muslims in TSP paper How did Muslims fare in Verdict 2004? What should have been the Muslim representation as per their population? No one can figure out, as the exact Muslim presence in the nation is still not clear By Rizvi Syed Haider Abbbas in Lucknow Indian politics without innuendoes from Nicolo Machiavelli or the Indian Machiavelli-Chanakya is inconceivable, but literally both had a serious bickering and were pushed out of the political usage! Then, who would fit into? Well, the German Pastor Martin Niemoller and his (only) quote became the most referred-to symbol of agitation before India under Bhartiya Janta Party (BJP)-led National Democratic Alliance went to polls this year. 'In Germany they came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist; then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew; then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up,' Niemoller had said on the Nazis under Adolf Hitler. Every secular individual felt intimated--which in turn made secularism the rallying point--as BJP after the victory in the preparatory assembly elections in Himachal Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan, just prior to April 2004 general elections, had powered its Hindutva gun powder (although denying it officially) and retained all those who had been involved in Babri Masjid demolition on 6 December 1992. L K Advani, Swami Chinmayanand, M M Joshi, Vinay Katiyar and Ram Bilas Vedanti were fielded. Mahant Adityanath, sitting MP from Gorakhpur (UP) expressed his desire for Muslim votes but not before cleaning them in Gangajal (River Ganga's sacred water) Meanwhile, BJP made Indians (an illusion of course) 'fee good' by launching a 250-crore public money advertising campaign; but, for BJP it was 'a feel-proud factor' as put by Rashtiya Swamsevak Sangh (RSS)--the parent BJP body, in its organ Organiser in 22 February 2004 issue. Two of its consecutive issues February 15th and February 22nd carried fifteen and seven full pages of government advertisements! The April 4th issue carried an interview with Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) international secretary Ashok Singhal admitting that "BJP has Hindutva in its heart" and its national secretary Pravin Togadia calling Hindus to "cast (their) votes for (construction of) Ram Mandir." BJP then went for its international friends as about 200 RSS cadres descended from US, UK and Gulf countries to immediately engage in bolstering BJP prospects. Overseas Friends of BJP, USA president Jagdish Sewani elaborated, "USA is our Karam Bhumi and India is our Matrya Bhumi." Nevertheless, the BJP star campaigner Narandra Modi, called as 'mass murderer' by Vir Sanghvi in Hindustan Times on May 14th, was also deployed and made a whirlwind wind tour of the entire country. The Indo-Pak bonhomie soon became an inverted snobbery when A B Vajpayee and L K Advani signaled their initiative of friendship with Pakistan as a cue for better Hindu-Muslim relations in India. "By extension of logic would this imply that if hostilities broke out between the two countries, Muslims in India would suffer the consequence?" questioned a Times of India editorial on April 27th. The consequence, however, was that BJP could not even notch 150 seats--it claimed for more than 309 seats--in the House of 540. On the contrary, Muslims made their tally to slightly go above from 32 in 1999 to 36 this time. What should have been the Muslim representation as per their population? No one can figure out, as the exact Muslim presence in the nation is still not clear. But, owing to 7% growth rate and on the basis of the 1991 census it could be around 110 crore of Indians in 2004 and about 15 crore and 14 lakh Muslims in it, thereby claiming about 75 seats in the parliament. But that would be only wishful thinking, to say the least. Unofficially, Muslims are over 200m in India. Why, then, Muslims could not do? The answer lies in the fact that all the major political parties did not field Muslim candidates even in Muslim concentration constituencies. This is probably because political parties find themselves lacking in spirit for translating their non-Muslim votes, although Muslims overwhelmingly vote for non-Muslim secular candidates. Consequently, it came out that 28 Muslim candidates out of 36 seats won from Muslim concentration constituencies and eight finding their berth from other seats. Here lies the opening for the optimism for other parties to mobilise their non-Muslim vote base towards Muslim candidates in future. The Muslim winning candidates predictably were the highest from UP as eleven saw victory and as many as 16 Muslims finished as second runners-up in India. This would happen either because the third runner-up was also a Muslim or from a secular party, especially in UP. UP, therefore, hogs the limelight with the maximum Muslim representation. The reason, primarily, is because Muslims make 19% of the population of UP and 22% of all Muslims all over India live in UP. Samajwadi Party headed by Mulayam Singh Yadav got seven Muslim winners and Bahujan Samaj Party under Mayawati had four Muslims from UP in all. What have been the winning details of Muslims in UP, therefore, needs some more elaboration. It comes out now that Mohammad Afzal Ansari (SP), scion of Dr M A Ansari of Khilafat Movement, won by the biggest margin from Ghazipur, Ateeq Ahmad (SP) won from Phulpur, Allahabad, Mohammad Tahir from Sultanpur, Shahid Akhtar Quraishi from Meerut, Mohammad Muqeem from Domariaganj and Ilyas Azmi from Shahbad won as BSP candidates. In Moradabad, Shafiqur Rehman (SP) defeated BJP despite Iftiqar Ahmad (BSP) and Masood Ahmad of National Loktantrik Party splitting 2,33,000 votes. He won by a margin of 26,000 votes. Rubab Syeda (SP) won from Bahraich by defeating BJP and is the only Muslim woman parliamentarian from UP. Munawwar Husian (SP) defeated BJP from Muzaffarnagar; Salim Iqbal Sherwani (SP) defeated BJP in Badaun. In Shahanpur, Rasheed Masud (SP) polled 3,53,272 votes and defeated Nawab Mansoor Ali Khan (BSP) who got 3,26,444 votes. The list of Muslims who ended up as runners-up accounts for nine with the narrowest margin being that of Loiuse Khursheed of Congress loosing just by 2,745 votes from Farrukhabad, Mukhtar Anis (SP) in Sitapur by 5,234 votes, Daud Ahmad (BSP) in Lakhimpur Kheri by 11,760 votes, Arif Mohammad Khan (BJP) by 12,713 votes in Kaiserganj in Barabanki, Maulana Masood Madani (SP) by 17,884 in Amroha, Rizwan Zaheer (BSP) in Balrampur, Begum Noor Bano (Congress) from Rampur and Shahnawaz Khan from Kairana. Had they won, the Muslim tally would have been 20. But, this is how the tyranny of the number-game goes. The list of those who won from all over India is: Andhra Pradesh: Nizamuddin (Congress), Asaduddin Owasi (All India Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen) Assam: Anwar Husain (Congress), A F Ghulam Usmani (Congress) Bihar: Shakil Ahmad (Congress), Taslimuddin (Rashtriya Janta Dal), Ali Ashraf Fatimi (RJD), Mohammad Shabuddin (RJD) Jammu and Kashmir: Mehmooba Mufti (Peoples Democratic Party), Aftab Rashid Shaheen (National Conference), Omar Abdullah (NC) Karnataka: Iqbal Ahmad Saradgi (Congress) Kerala: A P Abdullah Kutty (Communist Party of India, Marxist), T K Hamza CPI (M), E Ahmad (India Union Muslim League) Maharshtra: Abdur Rehman Antulay (Congress) Tamil Nadu: Haroon Rasheed (Congress), Kadir Mohideen (Dramul Munnetra Kazgham) West Bengal: Mohammad Salim CPI (M), Sunil Khan CPI (M)--unconfirmed as Muslim, Mehboob Zahidi CPI (M), Ghani Khan Chowdhry (Congress), Abdul Mannan Hossian (Congress), Hannan Mollah CPI (M) Jharkhand: Furgan Ansari (Lakhshdweep), P Dookunki Koya (Janta Dal United) It may also be added that out of 35 MPs, 23 are new comers, thus indicating that only nine out of 32 of 1999 could survive this time. The post-elections scenario and the establishment of a secular government under Manmohan Singh have been finally established. The functioning of United Progressive Alliance has brought a sigh of relief and Niemoller who was almost sounding prophetic prior to elections has for sometime now taken a back seat. The first policy statement by Congress came as an announcement for 5% reservation to all Muslims in government jobs in Andhra Pradesh. The initiative was welcomed by secularists but, instead, also provoked a hue and cry as 'Muslim appeasement' by BJP. The declaration has been now stayed by the AP High Court. Elections are done away with and the analysis accomplished too, but the grave issues are still lurking. The Gujarat riots of 2002 cases are not being able to run in the state and the Apex Court has ordered some of the cases to be heard outside Gujarat, ie, in Maharashtra. Maharashtra, incidentally, holds a very dismal record as 'only five of the original 1,358 cases from the 92-93 (post-Babri Masjid demolition) riots have been re-opened,' wrote Jyoti Punwani in Indian Express on August 24th. What to talk of the status of Gujarat riots when the sluggish progress in Maharashtra has brought so fine (sic) results. Maharshtra is run by a Congress government and is to go for assembly polls very soon. How India would have undergone had BJP and allies got 309 seats--272 are for majority--is a question secularists are not interested in right now. But why stick to 309 only? Obviously, because it is in accordance with the first ever triple century scored by an Indian, ie, Virandra Sehwag on the Pakistani soil. He had scored 309, thanks to over half a dozen dropped catches! http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/sep2004-weekly/nos-05-09-2004/pol1.htm#3
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 19 2004, 11:38 AM
He seems to have heard my message I was the first hindutvawadi to openly recommend counter breeding A hindu fertility of 4 will roll back islam to 30% in south asia Meaning things will be as they are now A hindu fertility of 5 will roll back islam to 25%, same as in 1947 and then we can seriously consider Akhand Bharat instead of Akhand Islamistan G.S ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: [media_monitor5] RSS chief wants Hindus to have four children RSS chief wants Hindus to have four children http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5922_1012894,0015002100000002.htm HT Correspondent Bhopal, September 17 IN A seemingly erudite discourse, RSS chief KS Sudarshan here on Friday set an agenda for followers of all the major religions in the country. Muslims and Christians should learn to be more tolerant of others' faith and beliefs, he said, proposing that Hindu couples should have at least three children and, even better if they have four. Replying to a question from the audience following the discourse on what would happen if Hindus also gave up on family planning, he said family planning and the mantra of "we two, ours one" held little meaning since nature has its own ways to check population. Sudarshan's comments assume significance in the light of raging controversy over higher growth of Muslim population in the country. "No species on earth can violate the laws of nature. If there is uncontrolled population growth, there would be more strife and population would be automatically controlled," he said. And, if there has to be family planning, it should be uniformly applied to all, the RSS chief asserted. He, however, maintained that when he said Hindus, he was not talking of any religion but those who are part of the cultural mainstream of the country. "All those, whose faiths and beliefs have roots in this land are Hindus," he explained. At the same time, he conceded that higher growth of population of Muslims or any other groups might have its roots in a feeling of insecurity among them. While stating that 'blind' faith of Muslims and Christians in their religious scriptures and consequent intolerance has been the reason for scores of wars and thousands of deaths, Sudarshan, said Hindus also believed Vedas to be the words of God but never felt inhibited from explaining them in the context of contemporary truth. "But Muslims and Christians are stuck to the words written in their scriptures and do not wish to go beyond them," he said and added that any religion has to have two segments – one dealing with eternal truths and the other with the empirical truths. "Let the Muslims distil 10 per cent of eternal truth from the Koran and leave 90 per cent to empirical interpretation," he said. As for the Christians, he said they remain tolerant till the assumed superiority of their religion is challenged, but once that happens the tolerant cover on their skin peels off. He said that 99.9 per cent of Muslims and Christians had Hindu ancestors, Sudarshan wondered what problem they could have in assimilation in the Hindu mainstream of this nation. When the audience turn came to address their queries to the RSS chief in this assembly of 'intellectuals' at the Apex Bank auditorium, there were no uncomfortable questions but only those which allowed Sudarshan to further elaborate on his 'sectarian' agenda. Higher growth of Muslim population, family planning and its consequences were the major issues raised by the audience and the RSS chief was only too happy to reply.
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RSS reconverts 55 Dalits from Christianity September 17, 2004 Terming it a "return home," the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) reconverted 55 Dalits to Hinduism after a religious ritual in a Bihar village. Eight families of these socially marginalized sections who had earlier embraced Christianity underwent purification rites in Chandarpur village of Samastipur district Tuesday in a 'yagna' organised by RSS activists. The activists said the Dalits were lured by Christian missionaries "but realised their mistake and decided to return to the Hindu fold". They alleged that Christian missionaries were active in proselytising the poorer segments, particularly in flood-prone districts. The RSS has given a call to the locals to oppose conversions and not to allow Christian missionaries to penetrate the villages www.christreview.org
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 20 2004, 08:02 AM
In Kerala, Muslims comprised 17.9 percent of the population in 1961, but were a formidable 24.7 percent by 2001 -- In kerala hindu women foolishly did too much family planning ---- Muslims are now the majority or near-majority community in the districts of Assam and West Bengal that border Bangladesh ---- Evacuate the 15 million BD hindus to de-islamise this region G.S --- Pioneer21Sept2004 The demography of politics Sandhya Jain When the Muslim votebank frowns, politicians get into a frenzy. Reacting with alacrity to Muslim ire at Census revelations of the community’s steep growth rate, the UPA government reverted Commissioner J.K. Banthia to his parent cadre for not consulting the Union Home Ministry before releasing data on religious demography. Congress President Sonia Gandhi jumped into the fray, promising an inquiry into so-called statistical errors, and the message heard loud and clear across the country was that there is be no public space for the legitimate concerns of the Hindu community. First reports gave the Muslim growth rate as 36 percent in the decade 1991-2001. Later, adjustments factoring in the absence of data from Jammu and Kashmir in the 1991 census and from Assam in 1981, scaled this down to 29.3 percent, a decline of 3.6 percent from 32.9 percent growth in the 1991 census. Questions have legitimately been raised about the original and the “adjusted” figures politically extracted from the Census Commission. Certainly the “adjusted” figures have a higher comfort value. They show that instead of the decadal growth rate of Muslims increasing by 1.5 per cent in 2001, it actually fell by 3.6 per cent. Yet these figures surely hide the true extent of India’s Muslim population, as both Jammu & Kashmir and Assam are States with a high Muslim population. Hence, when the figures for both States are added, we will have to admit having a much higher total Muslim population in the country, and a higher percentage of Muslims to the total population. This reality cannot be evaded. Hindus have long had a latent fear that the Muslim community will exterminate it from its homeland through demographic aggression in the form of over-breeding and illegal immigration. There is a secret dread, articulated by former Director General of Police, Mr. R.K. Ohri (Long March of Islam, 2004), that Hindus in India will meet the fate of the Christians in Lebanon and parts of the Balkans, where sharp demographic changes over a span of a few decades reduced the majority community to minority status. The warning is not without merit. The population of indigenous religious groups in the country has steadily fallen in percentage terms over the past 110 years, from 1881 to 1991, and this trend has accelerated after Partition. The present controversy over Islamic injunctions against family planning has only added to Hindu discomfort. The Census 2001 statistics have attracted so much attention partly on account of the security and economic implications of illicit immigration from Bangladesh, and partly because the growth rate of most native religious groups has stagnated or declined. The Muslim community scored poorly on development indices such as literacy and employment, and virtually confined its contribution to the national kitty to demographics. This has understandably frightened the Hindu majority, especially since the Minister of State for Home, Mr. Sriprakash Jaiswal, went so far as to demand a ban on release of population figures of different religious groups. Some politicians even foolishly asked the rationale behind collecting such figures. Actually, as Dr. J.K. Bajaj of the Centre for Policy Research, Chennai, has pointed out, this is not the first time that the Census has released data on the relative population of different religious groups. Right from the first Census of 1871, data regarding religious demography has been made public and is in fact, the most keenly awaited census data. What is unique about the 2001 figures is that this is the first time since Independence that the Census has tabulated religious demography against socio-cultural factors like literacy, age distribution, employment status, female child ratio, and so on. This has enabled scholars to examine the causes of the changing demographics of different religious communities. As of now, it appears that the Muslim population in India is unlikely to stabilize at normal replacement levels. From 10.43 percent in 1951, Muslims have risen to 13.43 percent in 2001. It is relevant that even the “adjusted” figures of 29.3 percent put the Muslim rate of growth well above the national average, and also above that for other major communities such as the Hindus (20.3 percent); Christians (22.6 percent) and Sikhs (18.2 percent). It bears mentioning that the Hindu growth rate in the previous decade declined by as much as five percentage points, to 20.3 percent. Hence, the nine percent officially admitted lead enjoyed by the Muslim community has understandably sent alarm bells ringing across the nation. Since independence, Hindus as a community have been declining in percentage terms. In 1951, Hindus comprised 85 percent of the population. By 1961 itself they had fallen to 83.4 percent; they were 82.7 percent in 1971 and 80.5 percent in 2001. In sharp contrast, the Muslim community stood at 9.7 percent of partitioned India's population in 1951, but rose steadily to 10.7 percent in 1961, 11.2 percent in 1971 and 13.4 percent in 2001. The missing censuses of Jammu & Kashmir (1991) and Assam (1981) hardly detract from this trend. The situation is especially alarming when we look at particular States. In Kerala, Muslims comprised 17.9 percent of the population in 1961, but were a formidable 24.7 percent by 2001. In Assam, Muslims comprised 25 percent of the population in 1961, but were 30.9 percent in 2001. In West Bengal, Muslims rose from 20 percent in 1961 to 25 percent in 2001. In Maharashtra, they marched from 7.6 percent in 1961 to 10.6 percent in 2001. These increases in percentage are unlikely to be reversed in the coming decade. Conversely, the proportion of Hindus has declined in each state. Muslims are now the majority or near-majority community in the districts of Assam and West Bengal that border Bangladesh, several key districts in eastern Bihar, western Uttar Pradesh, and northern Kerala, and of course Kashmir. This rapidly changing population profile of Assam, West Bengal, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh is a matter of legitimate national concern. Today, with 30.7 million Muslims in a truncated Uttar Pradesh, 20.2 million in West Bengal, 13.7 million in a truncated Bihar and 10.2 million in Maharashtra, India is sitting on a demographic tinderbox. In the eight decades from 1901 and 1991, Assam witnessed a steep fall in the percentage of native religions, from 84.55 to 68.25 percent, while Muslim population nearly doubled from 15.03 percent to 28.43 percent. Dhubir, Barpeta, Hailakundi and Karimganj are reportedly Muslim majority districts. In West Bengal, Muslims are the majority in Malda and Murshidabad, with West Dinapur and Birbhum slated to follow. In Uttar Pradesh, Rampur, Bijnor, Moradabad, Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar and Bareilly are close to becoming Muslim majority districts. In Bihar, Muslims have overwhelmed Kishanganj (65.91 percent), and dramatically increased their numbers and percentage in Araria, Katihar, Sahibaganj, Darbhanga and Pashchimi Champaran. The census must also be viewed in the context of India’s neighbourhood. In 1941, Hindus and Sikhs jointly constituted 19 percent of present-day Pakistan, but fell to one percent by 2001. In 1941, Hindus were 29 percent of present-day Bangladesh, but declined to 18 percent in 1961, 14 percent in 1974, 12 percent in 1981 and 10 percent in 1991. Dhaka’s sustained ethnic cleansing of the past few years can only have accelerated this trend. The conclusion is inescapable: the region is being Islamized. This has obvious implications for national identity and security.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 20 2004, 08:03 AM
The production of large numbers of children by the Muslims appears to be correct from this perspective. Hindus should follow them. They should simplify their lifestyle and make it possible for the earth to carry human beings in larger numbers. Dailypioneer Follow the Muslims Bharat Jhunjhunwala The census report tells us that the population growth rate is higher among the Muslims in the country and will remain so in the foreseeable future. The population of Muslims has increased by 29.3 percent during the last 10 years (after ignoring the states of Assam and Jammu & Kashmir, where census has not been undertaken regularly). The corresponding growth among Hindus was 20.0 percent. It would have been expected that there would have been a steeper decline in the population growth among the Muslims because their growth rate was higher. Unfortunately that is not the case. The rate of growth of population in the four decades between 1961-71 and 1991-2001 declined by 3.4 percent for the Hindus and merely 1.9 percent for the Muslims. The growth rate of Muslims, therefore, is both high and decline is less. The mainstream view is that this high growth rate of population is due to illiteracy and poverty among the Muslims. Census figures tell that 65.1 percent persons above the age of seven are literate among the Hindus and 59.1 percent among the Muslims. It can be thus concluded that Muslims are producing more children due to lack of education. But this argument does not hold. The growth rate of other communities is high despite their having more literates. Among the Christians, 80.3 percent are literate but their population growth rate at 22.1 percent is higher than that of the Hindus. Among the Buddhists 72.7 percent are literate but their population growth rate at 23.2 percent is higher than that of the Hindus. If education were to explain the differences in growth rates of population, then the growth rate among Christians and Buddhists should have been lower than the Hindus. But that is clearly not the case. Higher rates of literacy are not leading to lower rates of population growth in these communities. How can we, then, assume that lower rates of literacy will lead to lower rates of population growth among the Muslims? Poverty could be another explanation of the high growth rate of population among Muslims. Poor women have a higher rate of work participation. The same poverty is an encouragement to have more children. Children among poor families have a greater chance of not surviving, hence couples produce larger number of children as insurance. Thus higher work participation and higher rate of population growth go hand in hand. This is indeed verified from census data on work participation. The number of persons per hundred population seeking work among the four major communities barring the Muslims was Buddhists 40.6 percent, Hindu 40.4, Christian 39.7 and Sikh 37.7. The growth rate of population of these four communities was 23.2, 20.0, 22.1 and 16.9 percent every 10 years. It can be seen that both the work participation rate and growth rate of population go together. Both show a parallel declining trend. It can be said, therefore, that economic prosperity leads to lower rate of work participation and also lower rate of growth of population. This formula, however, fails when applied to the Muslims. The census report tells us that the work participation rate at 31.3 percent among Muslims is much lower than the four communities mentioned above. It was expected, therefore, that the population growth rate would be lower among the Muslims. But that is not the case. The population growth rate at 29.3 percent in the last decade is highest among all communities. In other words, other communities are using the energy saved due to economic progress to provide better education, etc., to their children. But Muslims are using the energy saved to produce more children. The higher growth rate of population among them cannot be attributed either to illiteracy or poverty and must be associated with their cultural attitude towards population. Truly, education and prosperity are mere tools. The chisel can be used to sculpt a statue to fell a house. Similarly, education and economic prosperity can be used to either produce more children or to improve the quality of fewer children. A belief of the Muslims is that one should not unduly interfere with Allah's designs. Rather, one should mould one's life according to his instructions. God has given the reproductive capacity to human beings and one should allow that capacity to be used as per his design. Artificial obstruction should not be placed in the path of that God-given capacity. God, it is said in the Holy Bible, blessed human beings and said, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it...(Genesis 1.28)." If God's desire is to increase the number of human beings on earth then it becomes the pious duty of every believer to produce children in large numbers. Some Muslim scholars hold the view that contraception and abortion before the soul has entered the fetus are acceptable. However, that still does not define God's will. We should understand what is God's will and act accordingly. It has been accepted in the Hindu scriptures that man is the best of all living beings. Swami Shantidharmananda of Rishikesh tells that Brahma made many beings but the gods were not satisfied. So when Brahma created man, the Gods were pleased. Hindus believe that the atman wanders in the sky after death and, in due course, seeks another fetus to enter and take rebirth to fulfil the unfulfilled desires of this birth. The atman enters the fetus when it finds one that is suitable for the fulfilment of his desires. The production of more children by human beings would make available human fetuses in larger numbers to the atmans wandering in the sky. An atman will be able to get the body of a human being instead of that of a goat or a lamb. It would be appropriate, therefore, for human beings to produce children in large numbers. The caveat is that the means of livelihood should be available to children. In other words, population should be increased only till the earth has the capacity to carry them. The role of lifestyle is critical in determination of the earth's carrying capacity. The earth may be able to host three billion people living under air-conditioning or 10 billion people living under ceiling fans. If we want to make available the best fetus, that is, of a human being,then we should arrange to produce 10 billion persons living under ceiling fans. The production of large numbers of children by the Muslims appears to be correct from this perspective. Hindus should follow them. They should simplify their lifestyle and make it possible for the earth to carry human beings in larger numbers.
Posted by: Viren Sep 20 2004, 11:06 AM
Holding a mirror to society KPS Gill
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Political reactions to crucial national issues are becoming more astonishing by the day. So we find the Minister of State for Home Sriprakash Jaiswal, presumably grubbing for a few extra minority votes in the impending Maharashtra elections, demanding that data relating to various religious communities should be excluded from the Census of India reports. The demand is not isolated, and there has been a sustained attack on the Census on this ground, from certain parties claiming 'secularism' as their ideological justification, but in fact motivated by shallow electoral and political ends. It is not certain, as yet, that their fulminations will have real impact on the Census and its contents, but they are already doing untold damage to the fabric of this country and the relationship between its communities. A Census holds up a mirror to society and to its constituent communities. The clearer and more detailed the image, the better we can understand our own strengths and weaknesses. As an unbiased index of a wide range of social parameters, it is crucial for an objective assessment of our own capacities and vulnerabilities. To believe or assert that it particularly shows off the infirmities of a specific community more than it does its advantages or achievements, is to succumb to our own prejudices. I, as a Sikh, am both alarmed and deeply shamed by certain elements of the Census report. While data on education and economic profiles of the community is encouraging, the declining rate in population growth may possibly be a matter of transient concern. On the other hand, to the extent that this is, at least in part, a consequence of the high numbers of Sikhs migrating out of India, it is also testimony to the continuing dynamism of this community. However, the fact that the Sikhs, today, have the worst sex ratio in the country (893, as against 931 for Hindus, 936 for Muslims and 1009 for Christians) is a matter of utter disgrace. The low sex ratio is also part of the reason why the growth rate of population has been depressed among Sikhs-the result of selective foeticide and a declining pool of women in the reproductive age group. This single statistic demonstrates how thin the veneer of civilisation and modernity is, and how far the community has strayed from the egalitarian teachings of the Gurus. I would not, for any purported 'national interest' or transient vote bank political concern, have this data suppressed. It is a reminder to the community to take a hard look at its own abhorrent attitudes and practices, and their dangerous consequences for its own future. To take the case of the Muslims-the issue that has most agitated Mr Jaiswal and his 'secular' colleagues-the only difficulty with the release of the community wise data was, in fact, the manner in which it was projected in the initial stages, suppressing the information that the much higher apparent rates of growth among Muslims were the consequence of the fact that Kashmir had been left out of the 1991 Census. Whether this was mischievous, or simply the result of the mechanical structure of data presentation, is not clear, and may need some investigation. That misconception, however, has now been cleared, and it is useful to focus on what the Census actually says about the Muslims. The Census has, for one thing, helped clear up many popular misconceptions and negative stereotypes regarding the Muslims. The sex ratio among Muslims is certainly better than both the Sikhs and the Hindus. The female literacy rate, at 50.1 per cent, is only marginally below the female literacy rate among Hindus, at 53.2 per cent. More significantly, the gap between the male and female literacy rates among Muslims, at nine per cent, is smaller than the gap between Hindu male and female literacy rates, at 11.9 per cent, though absolute rates for both males and females are higher among the Hindus. Nevertheless, the broad thrust of this data certainly militates against the majority stereotype. It is undeniable, however, that, even at the 'adjusted' 29.3 per cent, the rate of growth of the Muslim population is well above the national average, and above that for other major communities (Hindus: 20.3 per cent; Christians: 22.6 per cent; Sikhs: 18.2 per cent). No community "is an island, entire of itself", and all are "a part of the main". India is a diverse, pluralistic culture, where all communities have lived together within a reasonable framework of accommodation and coexistence. Within such a framework, communities cannot mutually ignore or violate the spaces they respectively occupy, and there are boundaries that need to be respected. It is not only the Muslims, but also other communities-though they grow at comparatively lower rates-that need to be alarmed by the fact that their populations continue to grow at a pace that is not consistent with the prosperity and well-being of the country at large. No community can ignore the compulsions and imperatives of the age we live in, and there is urgent need for corrective action on this count. The most urgent correctives are needed, obviously, where the rates of growth are the highest-and it is, consequently, not inappropriate that some alarm is expressed at the higher growth rates among Muslims. Communalising such concerns for short term political ends-by both 'secular' and 'communal' political formations-however, is a serious disservice to the nation. But the Census did not end with a single global figure for the Muslims. It is useful to note that, despite the adverse stereotype of Muslim 'resistance' to the idea of population control, their rate of growth of population is declining- though at a pace that leaves much to be desired. More significantly-and consistently with data for all other communities worldwide-it is declining most rapidly in areas of prosperity and higher education. This is the simple reality: Muslim rates of growth of population are highest in the most backward areas of the country, where literacy rates are low, and where poverty is endemic. These trends are compounded by the relatively higher general poverty rates and lower work participation rates among the Muslims. This data is an open indictment, both of the Muslim leadership itself, and of the supposedly 'secular' parties that have treated this community as a vote bank for decades, but have done little to extract the Muslims from the backwardness and deprivation in which they remain largely mired to this day. The Census data on religions is a crucial input for each community to reconstruct and reinvent itself in conformity with the imperatives of the age. Burying our heads in the sand-as Mr Jaiswal and company recommend-is not a constructive response, though it has long been the favoured response of political parties to many a national crisis. If anything, there should be an appeal to further deepen the coverage of the Census, to the extent possible, to reflect greater detail of the social and economic profile of various communities, so that our actions and achievements can be brought into greater conformity with our own pretensions, projections and beliefs. Sustaining communal delusions, and pandering to sectarian misconceptions, is not an efficient pathway to nation-building.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 20 2004, 06:12 PM
The 2001 census shows that in many states muslim women have higher literacy than hindu women and still produce more kids. This destroys the standard psec argument about muslim backwardness causing muslim over-breeding The fault then lies with the western aping hindu woman State Muslim Female Literacy % Hindu Female Literacy % Muslim % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Hindu % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Assam 40.2 61.1 29.3 14.9 Andhra 59.1 49.2 18.0 14.4 Gujurat 63.5 56.7 27.3 22.1 Haryana 21.5 57.1 60.1 27.0 Karnataka 63.0 55.3 23.5 15.3 Kerala 85.5 86.7 15.9 7.3 Maharashtra 70.8 65.9 34.6 21.6 Orissa 62.3 50.6 31.8 15.9 Rajasthan 40.8 43.2 35.8 27.9 Tamil Nadu 76.2 62.4 13.7 11.0 UP+Uttaranchal 37.4 43.1 31.7 24.2 West Bengal 49.8 63.1 25.9 14.2 Bihar+Jharkand 31.5 33.4 36.5 23.0 MP+Chatisgarh 60.1 49.0 29.5 21.5 INDIA 50.1 53.2 29.6 19.9
Posted by: rajesh_g Sep 20 2004, 06:51 PM
WOW !! That list is unbelievable.. omg.gif Look at that list - Andhra, Gujarat, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Orissa, TN, MP+Chattisgarh. Out of this if you leave out Orissa and MP, they are all high performers ..
Posted by: Mudy Sep 20 2004, 06:54 PM
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The fault then lies with the western aping hindu woman
Freedom of selective foeticide is main problem among Hindus & Sikhs. Religion don't restrict Hindus the way Islam fatwa works for muslim.
Posted by: acharya Sep 21 2004, 02:04 PM
The demography of politics Sandhya Jain The Pioneer September 21, 2004 When the Muslim votebank frowns, politicians get into a frenzy. Reacting with alacrity to Muslim ire at Census revelations of the community’s steep growth rate, the UPA government reverted Commissioner J.K. Banthia to his parent cadre for not consulting the Union Home Ministry before releasing data on religious demography. Congress President Sonia Gandhi jumped into the fray, promising an inquiry into so-called statistical errors, and the message heard loud and clear across the country was that there is be no public space for the legitimate concerns of the Hindu community. First reports gave the Muslim growth rate as 36 percent in the decade 1991-2001. Later, adjustments factoring in the absence of data from Jammu and Kashmir in the 1991 census and from Assam in 1981, scaled this down to 29.3 percent, a decline of 3.6 percent from 32.9 percent growth in the 1991 census. Questions have legitimately been raised about the original and the “adjusted” figures politically extracted from the Census Commission. Certainly the “adjusted” figures have a higher comfort value. They show that instead of the decadal growth rate of Muslims increasing by 1.5 per cent in 2001, it actually fell by 3.6 per cent. Yet these figures surely hide the true extent of India’s Muslim population, as both Jammu & Kashmir and Assam are States with a high Muslim population. Hence, when the figures for both States are added, we will have to admit having a much higher total Muslim population in the country, and a higher percentage of Muslims to the total population. This reality cannot be evaded. Hindus have long had a latent fear that the Muslim community will exterminate it from its homeland through demographic aggression in the form of over-breeding and illegal immigration. There is a secret dread, articulated by former Director General of Police, Mr. R.K. Ohri (Long March of Islam, 2004), that Hindus in India will meet the fate of the Christians in Lebanon and parts of the Balkans, where sharp demographic changes over a span of a few decades reduced the majority community to minority status. The warning is not without merit. The population of indigenous religious groups in the country hassteadily fallen in percentage terms over the past 110 years, from 1881 to 1991, and this trend has accelerated after Partition. The present controversy over Islamic injunctions against family planning has only added to Hindu discomfort. The Census 2001 statistics have attracted so much attention partly on account of the security and economic implications of illicit immigration from Bangladesh, and partly because the growth rate of most native religious groups has stagnated or declined. The Muslim community scored poorly on development indices such as literacy and employment, and virtually confined its contribution to the national kitty to demographics. This has understandably frightened the Hindu majority, especially since the Minister of State for Home, Mr. Sriprakash Jaiswal, went so far as to demand a ban on release of population figures of different religious groups. Some politicians even foolishly asked the rationale behind collecting such figures. Actually, as Dr. J.K. Bajaj of the Centre for Policy Research, Chennai, has pointed out, this is not the first time that the Census has released data on the relative population of different religious groups. Right from the first Census of 1871, data regarding religious demography has been made public and is in fact, the most keenly awaited census data. What is unique about the 2001 figures is that this is the first time since Independence that the Census has tabulated religious demography against socio-cultural factors like literacy, age distribution, employment status, female child ratio, and so on. This has enabled scholars to examine the causes of the changing demographics of different religious communities. As of now, it appears that the Muslim population in India is unlikely to stabilize at normal replacement levels. From 10.43 percent in 1951, Muslims have risen to 13.43 percent in 2001. It is relevant that even the “adjusted” figures of 29.3 percent put the Muslim rate of growth well above the national average, and also above that for other major communities such as the Hindus (20.3 percent); Christians (22.6 percent) and Sikhs (18.2 percent). It bears mentioning that the Hindu growth rate in the previous decade declined by as much as five percentage points, to 20.3 percent. Hence, the nine percent officially admitted lead enjoyed by the Muslim community has understandably sent alarm bells ringing across the nation. Since independence, Hindus as a community have been declining in percentage terms. In 1951, Hindus comprised 85 percent of the population. By 1961 itself they had fallen to 83.4 percent; they were 82.7 percent in 1971 and 80.5 percent in 2001. In sharp contrast, the Muslim community stood at 9.7 percent of partitioned India's population in 1951, but rose steadily to 10.7 percent in 1961, 11.2 percent in 1971 and 13.4 percent in 2001. The missing censuses of Jammu & Kashmir (1991) and Assam (1981) hardly detract from this trend. The situation is especially alarming when we look at particular States. In Kerala, Muslims comprised 17.9 percent of the population in 1961, but were a formidable 24.7 percent by 2001. In Assam, Muslims comprised 25 percent of the population in 1961, but were 30.9 percent in 2001. In West Bengal, Muslims rose from 20 percent in 1961 to 25 percent in 2001. In Maharashtra, they marched from 7.6 percent in 1961 to 10.6 percent in 2001. These increases in percentage are unlikely to be reversed in the coming decade. Conversely, the proportion of Hindus has declined in each state. Muslims are now the majority or near-majority community in the districts of Assam and West Bengal that border Bangladesh, several key districts in eastern Bihar, western Uttar Pradesh, and northern Kerala, and of course Kashmir. This rapidly changing population profile of Assam, West Bengal, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh is a matter of legitimate national concern. Today, with 30.7 million Muslims in a truncated Uttar Pradesh, 20.2 million in West Bengal, 13.7 million in a truncated Bihar and 10.2 million in Maharashtra, India is sitting on a demographic tinderbox. In the eight decades from 1901 and 1991, Assam witnessed a steep fall in the percentage of native religions, from 84.55 to 68.25 percent, while Muslim population nearly doubled from 15.03 percent to 28.43 percent. Dhubir, Barpeta, Hailakundi and Karimganj are reportedly Muslim majority districts. In West Bengal, Muslims are the majority in Malda and Murshidabad, with West Dinapur and Birbhum slated to follow. In Uttar Pradesh, Rampur, Bijnor, Moradabad, Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar and Bareilly are close to becoming Muslim majority districts. In Bihar, Muslims have overwhelmed Kishanganj (65.91 percent), and dramatically increased their numbers and percentage in Araria, Katihar, Sahibaganj, Darbhanga and Pashchimi Champaran. The census must also be viewed in the context of India’s neighbourhood. In 1941, Hindus and Sikhs jointly constituted 19 percent of present-day Pakistan, but fell to one percent by 2001. In 1941, Hindus were 29 percent of present-day Bangladesh, but declined to 18 percent in 1961, 14 percent in 1974, 12 percent in 1981 and 10 percent in 1991. Dhaka’s sustained ethnic cleansing of the past few years can only have accelerated this trend.The conclusion is inescapable: the region is being Islamized. This has obvious implications for national identity and security.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 21 2004, 05:31 PM
Stopping female foeticide will reduce the muslim fertility advantage by 30% Still every hindu woman has to step up to the plate and do her duty of having 5 kids
Posted by: acharya Sep 22 2004, 01:46 PM
Increase in Muslim population in the State By Biju Govind KOZHIKODE, SEPT. 22. While the population of Hindus and Christians declined by 1.48 and 0.32 percentage points respectively, the population of Muslims increased by 1.70 percentage points in the State since the last Census in 1991, according to the First Report on Religion Data released by the Registrar General and Census Commissioner of India, J.K. Banthia, in New Delhi recently. Hindus constitute 56.20 per cent, Muslims 24.7 per cent and Christians 19 per cent of the total population of 3,18,41,374 (females — 1,63,72,760 and males — 1,54,68,614) as per Census 2001 of the State. Overall growth The Hindu population is 1,78,83,449, Muslims 78,63,342, Christians 60,57,427, Sikhs 2,762, Buddhists 2,027, Jains 4,528, others 2256 and religion not stated 25,083. The overall population growth in the decade is 27,40,101 (9.42 percentage points). Except Malappuram district, where the Muslims are a majority, Hindus constitute the majority in all other districts. While Muslims form the second largest community in Kasaragod, Kannur, Kozhikode, Wayanad, Palakkad and Kollam districts, Christians are placed second in Thrissur, Ernakulam, Idukki, Kottayam, Alappuzha, Pathanamthitta and Thiruvananthapuram. The population of Hindus is the largest in Thiruvananthapuram district and the lowest in Wayanad district. In the case of Muslims, the largest is in Malappuram district and the lowest in Pathanamthitta. The Christian population is highest in Ernakulam district and the lowest in Malappuram. Sex ratio The average sex ratio (females per 1,000 males) for all religions in the State is 1,058. For Hindus it is 1,058, Muslims 1,082 and Christians 1,031. The sex ratio for children in the age group 0 to 6 years is 961 for Hindus, 960 for Muslims and 959 for Christians. The population of children below six years for various religions also gives a different picture. The population of Hindus in this category is 19,32,504 (males — 9,85,394 and females — 9,47,110), Muslims — 11,78,880 (males — 6,01,660 and females — 5,77,220) and Christians — 6,77,878 (males — 3,45,928 and females — 3,31,950). The proportion of population in this age group among Hindus, Muslims and Christians is 10.8, 11.2 and 15 per cent respectively. Literacy The literacy rate of the three communities shows that Christians are more literate than Hindus and Muslims. The literacy percentage of these communities are: Hindus (male — 90.2 and female — 86.7 per cent), Muslims (male — 89.4 and female — 85.5 per cent) and Christians (male — 94.8 and female — 93.5 per cent). Employment data establish that 35.7 per cent of Hindus are employed. In the case of Christians and Muslims, the rates are 33.9 per cent and 23.2 per cent respectively. The low rate of employment in the Muslim community can be attributed to the highest number of unemployed women in Malappuram and Kozhikode district. Nearly 12,47,419 Muslim women in Malappuram district and 5,41,646 in Kozhikode have been placed in the category of non-workers. District-wise break-up The district-wise population of Hindus, Muslims and Christians is as follows: Kasaragod: 7,05,234 (Hindus), 4,13,063 (Muslims), 84,891 (Christians); Kannur: 14,80,748 (H), 6,65,648 (M), 2,61,090 ©; Kozhikode: 16,69,161 (H), 10,78,759 (M), 1,27,468 ©; Wayanad: 3,92,141 (H), 2,09,758 (M) 1,75,495 ©; Malappuram : 10,57,418 (H), 24,84,576 (M), 1,75,495 ©; Palakkad: 18,02,766 (H), 7,03,596 (M), 1,09,249 ©; Thrissur : 17,61,842 (H), 4,88,697 (M), 7,20,152 ©; Ernakulam: 14,44,994 (H), 4,51,764 (M), 12,04,471 ©; Idukki : 5,66,744 (H), 81,222 (M), 4,80,108 ©; Kottayam: 9,63,497 (H), 1,16,686 (M), 8,71,371 ©; Alappuzha: 14,57,188 (H), 2,08,042 (M), 4,41,643 ©; Pathanamthitta: 6,94,560 (H), 56,457 (M), 4,81,602 ©; Kollam : 16,85,044 (H), 4,74,071 (M), 4,23,745 © and Thiruvananthapuram: 22,02,112 (H), 4,31,512 (M) and 5,95,563 ©.
Posted by: acharya Sep 22 2004, 03:21 PM
Ilaiah calls for `Dalitisation' of Indian society By Our Staff Reporter KOTTAYAM, AUG. 30. Kancha Ilaiah, noted Dalit ideologue, today called for Dalitisation of Indian society to make it more competitive and enhance the scientific spirit. Inaugurating a seminar on Dalit Politics in Changing Times, organised by DC Books as part of its 30th anniversary celebrations, Mr. Ilaiah said that with Dalitisation, he meant the arrival of Dalits in leadership positions and positions of power in politics. He wanted persons of ideological ambition to rise from the productive mass to hold positions of power to transform the present political system. Education system The Dalitisation of education system is a prerequisite to make the Indian society more scientifically inclined. According to Mr Ilaiah, those from the working class would have a more developed scientific bend of mind, as evidenced by the experience of the United States. The Brahmanic minds, distanced from productive work for the past many centuries have a closed mind, he said and added that the Dalitisation of education would also produce an army of a more competitive productive force for the country. The third requirement as part of Dalitisation was spiritual democracy. He wanted elevation of the buffalo as the national animal in place of the cow. According to him, the cow came to India along with the Aryans and the one that fed the people of the sub-continent long before was the buffalo. The elevation of the buffalo to the position of national animal would unleash a political debate and the centrality of the politics would help change the society, he explained. Sunny Kapikkad, in his keynote address emphasised the need to further the Dalit-Bahujan politics in the State, under the peculiar socio-political reality prevailing here. While in other place it was the grand alliance of Dalit-Bahujan, backward and minority segments that has unleashed the political currents which has swept Dalit leaders to positions of power, in Kerala's peculiar situation, the backwards and minorities have formed their own alliances. He said that political discussions should be based on the informed premises of the realities of post-modernist society. The change in the role of the State, the withering away of welfare State and so on should be taken into account. Being an unrepresented segment in the existing order, the Dalit-Bahujan politics should concentrate on how well one could make use of the opportunities provided by the new order, he said. Representation of Dalits According to him, the issue of the death of Rajani Anand could be addressed only if the larger issues were addressed. It was not a question of reservation in self-financing stream, he said and added that the real issue was that of the representation of the Dalit segment in the banking and financial sector. M. Kunhaman and K.K. Koch spoke on the occasion. V.C. Harris chaired. http://www.hindu.com/2004/08/31/stories/2004083104610300.htm
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Sep 24 2004, 06:19 PM
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15220 Margaret Sanger: Intellectual Moron By Mike Adams Townhall.com | September 24, 2004 For months, readers have been asking me to do a profile of the life of Margaret Sanger, in order to expose the truth about an evil woman who has been protected for decades by the likes of Planned Parenthood, radical feminists, and various media elites. If you just log on to www.biography.com after reading this editorial, you will see how far some are willing to go to whitewash her reputation, perhaps merely to preserve the “credibility” of the pro-abortion movement. Contrary to the wishes of some of my readers, I will not be writing a profile of Sanger’s life now or at any time in the future. That is because my friend Dan Flynn has done it to perfection in his outstanding new book, Intellectual Morons. If the 21-page chapter on Sanger were the only chapter in the book, Flynn’s latest (published by Crown Forum) would be well worth the purchase price. Anyone interested in saving the life of the unborn simply cannot afford to miss Dan’s latest work. Flynn’s characterization of Sanger as a “world-class liar” who “embraced tenets of Nazism, terrorism-and abortion for any reason at any time” sounds harsh at first glance. Regardless, Flynn doesn’t sound harsh for long, because he provides quote after quote to substantiate his allegations. Sometimes he quotes those whose articles Sanger published in The Woman Rebel (TWR). For example, Flynn quotes a TWR article by Robert Thorpe, opining that “lower forms of life must give place to higher forms,” in the context of Thorpe’s call for the assassination of John D. Rockefeller. But, mostly, Flynn directly quotes Sanger, who, for example, advised women to avoid pregnancy by consuming quinine (a medicine used to fight malaria) and laxatives “to assist with the menstrual flow.” Apparently, in the twisted mind of Margaret Sanger, a bowel movement a day, keeps the baby away. Unfortunately for some unsuspecting women, Sanger’s advice didn’t flush out in the final analysis. Of course, laughing at Margaret Sanger becomes impossible when one gets into Sanger’s ideas about uprooting “human weeds” and establishing work camps for the “unfit.” In 1937, Sanger gave a speech on behalf of those “too inarticulate to speak for themselves.” In her speech, she said the following about blocking the procreation of so-called undesirables: “(It) makes possible the spread of scientific knowledge of the elements of sound breeding. It makes possible the creation of a new race; a new generation brought into this world consciously conceived. It makes possible the breeding out of human weeds-the defective and criminal classes-(and) the breeding in of the clean, strong and fit instruments to carry the torch of human destiny.” Margaret Sanger’s following two-step plan (which she proposed to the U.S. Congress) to establish a “Parliament of Population” is also well-documented in the pages of Intellectual Morons: 1. To “control the intake and output of morons (apparently excluding Sanger), mental defectives, epileptics.” 2. To “take an inventory of the secondary group such as illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope-fiends; classify them in special departments under government medical protection, and segregate them on farms…” Sanger then went on to summarize her plea to Congress by saying that “fifteen or twenty millions of our population would then be organized into soldiers of defense-defending the unborn against their own disabilities.” Sanger also had a pretty negative view of Australian, Jewish, and Italian families. She called aboriginal Australians “the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development.” She said the following of the “Jewish people and Italian families”: “(They) are filling the insane asylums, (they) are filling the hospitals and filling our feeble-minded institutions, (they) are the ones the tax payers have to pay for the upkeep of, and they are increasing the budget of the State, the enormous expense of the State is increasing because of the multiplication of the unfit in this country and in the State.” Is it any wonder that Sanger spoke at a KKK rally in 1926? Is it any wonder that she said that “The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it”? Dan Flynn tells the truth about Margaret Sanger. And he does it with fairness. He admits to at least one case where a quote of Sanger has been taken out of context by her enemies in order to accuse her of racism. But he uses other quotes properly and honestly to show that the accusations are indeed founded. He does not whitewash Sanger, nor does he smear her reputation unfairly because he disagrees with her politics. After you read the whitewashed account of Sanger’s life on www.biography.com, read the truth in Dan Flynn’s new book. Then call your local Planned Parenthood office and ask the following questions: Are you proud that Margarqet Sanger is your founder? How many black babies do you abort every year? Is an unborn baby a “human weed” or just a sub-human clump of cells? And, finally, how can you look yourself in the mirror every day before you go to work? Daniel J. Flynn's new book, Intellectual Morons, is available for $25.95 from the FrontPage Magazine Bookstore.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 1 2004, 05:33 PM
Indian muslims afraid of hindu counter-breeding Dailypioneer OPED Take a rational approach Akhtarul Wasey, Director, Zakir Husain Institute of Islamic Studies, Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi --- This will help us understand that population growth is not related to religion but educational and economic status of a nation. --- NFHS data from 1968 to 1999 shows muslims outbreed Dalits, Tribals, Rurals , Illiterates and Very Poor ---- Rather than holding the Muslim community guilty, we should pity their plight because the growth of their population is an index of their educational backwardness. The rational response to the situation would be to find ways of pulling them out of their backwardness instead of treating it as an alarm bell for the Hindu community. The latter course, if it instigates the Hindu majority to compete in this dubious growth, it would spell disaster for the country in the form of population explosion. --- Wont muslim breeding cause a population explosion disaster ?? This guy is afraid of hindu counter-breeding since it will block their islamisation plan -- Besides, it would give rise to prejudice and hatred against a major section of country's population that will be prejudicial to social peace and harmony that would further impede national progress. ---- Growth in muslim % is prejudicial to social peace and harmony
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 1 2004, 05:40 PM
Dailypioneer Muslims and the Census N Jamal Ansari Views on the growth rate of Muslims are coming in from and wide, each with narrow focus. Ms Sandhya Jain's article, "The demography of politics" (September 21), and Mr Bharat Junjhunwala's write-up, "Follow the Muslims", ( Bharat Jhunjhunwala called for counterbreeding muslims and living a more simple life ) in the same edition, carry similar message that Muslims are dangerous for India. I am at a loss to understand why saffronites are so fearful of rising Muslim population. Ideas and concepts rarely enjoy a sedentary existence. They travel across space and time. Their journeys are equally complex and in the best of circumstances, full of possibilities. Hence, we must objectively analyse the Census Report 2001. The Census Commission released figures without taking into account the realities of J&K and Assam. The growth rate-36 per cent-among Muslims in the decade 1991-2001 shocked saffronites and they raised slogans like "India is in danger". Subsequently, the authorities released fresh data according to which growth rate among Muslims declined up to 3.6 per cent. Therefore, one should take into account this report as well because it explodes the myth that Muslims are backward. In Kerala, the Muslims have 89.4 per cent literacy rate against overall 90.9 per cent. In Maharashtra 78.1 per cent muslims are literate against overall 76.9 per cent. In Gujarat they stood at 73.5 per cent where overall figure is 69.1 per cent. In Chhattisgarh, 82.5 per cent Muslims are literate against overall figure of 64.7 per cent. In Orissa and Andhra Pradesh, their literacy rate is 71.3 per cent and 68.0 per cent against over all 63.1 per cent and 60.5 per cent respectively. If we take figures of India as a whole, Muslims have literacy rate at 59.1 per cent against over all figure of 64.8 per cent. In fact, in several states they have left other communities far behind in literacy. Let us consider facts such as the increase in tendency to practice foeticide especially in states like Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Kerala and Maharashtra. If you add all the girls killed in this manner, the growth rate of Hindus will jump up to an unbelievable rate. Several other factors considered unimportant have influenced growth rate of Hindus. Be sure that the benefit of this negative altitude goes to the Hindu community. Third, there is a possibility that the Hindutva propagandists have convinced people to withhold real figures of children in order to raise hue and cry over growth of Muslims. Our census must hold a mirror to society. Census Commission should not have goofed up with facts and figures. Just as the slogan, "Poverty is the worst form of pollution", came to be bandied about after Stockholm, so did one regarding population gain currency after Bucharest. This mantra was first raised by Mr Karan Singh, then Family Planning Minister, who stated that, "Development in the best contraceptive". Although both slogans contain a great deal of truth, they remain rhetoric when viewed in case of Muslims of India. Those who are making noises on the growth of Muslims never worked for the socio-economic development of the community. Instead, they demolished mosques and engineered genocide. Have they any moral right to show concern for the Muslims? Any attempt to force solutions on an unwilling people in the form of compulsory family planning is doomed to failure because it does not recognise that in the ultimate analysis, it is the people who are supreme. Look after their needs and the so-called population bomb will defuse itself.
Posted by: rajesh_g Oct 2 2004, 05:26 PM
The guy says...
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Look after their needs and the so-called population bomb will defuse itself.
but then he has already stated..
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In Maharashtra 78.1 per cent muslims are literate against overall 76.9 per cent. In Gujarat they stood at 73.5 per cent where overall figure is 69.1 per cent. In Chhattisgarh, 82.5 per cent Muslims are literate against overall figure of 64.7 per cent. In Orissa and Andhra Pradesh, their literacy rate is 71.3 per cent and 68.0 per cent against over all 63.1 per cent and 60.5 per cent respectively.
blink.gif So what is he asking for - a daily blowjob for all the faithfuls ??? Flush.gif
Posted by: Bhootnath Oct 3 2004, 02:38 AM
Rajesh > So what is he asking for - a daily blowjob for all the faithfuls ??? Flush.gif But the blowjob is already being given Rajesh.., whenever anybody objectively tells anything abt ISLAM, the blowjob specialist talk abt caste injustices, majoritaria ( whatever .. -- this Majoritarianisnm blowjob guy was on the the Heathen & his Blindenss too ). They give blowjob by certifying IRAN as a SECUALR nation !! Talk abt Ills of ISLAM and its drag on nations development , intelleffectuals talk abt "Individual Rights" , ask them real question and the donot know where to "back-off" sitting where they are !! .. So blowjob is already being given .. may be while the give blowjobs they better parts are in Harams of Mullahs too .. hey its okay withme .. they have their INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS... My problem is with the Hindus who look away when these BLOWJOBERS are indulging in their phantasisies in Publib fora .. Hindus are fooling themselves, 1st they said problems are becoz of backwardness , now whne stats say they are educated comparatively .. they are new reason assigned for it .. Regards.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 3 2004, 06:45 AM
It is time to face the facts Muslims are afraid of hindu counter-breeding since it is the ONLY way islamisation can be stopped Rich muslims breed more than poor hindus Have 5 or be islamised
Posted by: Mudy Oct 5 2004, 09:21 AM
Why they are punshing this man? http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1043259,0008.htm
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A new Census Commissioner took charge on Tuesday after the Government declined another extension to JK Banthia following the release of a report that sparked a row over Muslim population growth. Devender Kumar Sikri assumed charge after Banthia proceeded on long leave
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 8 2004, 04:55 PM
2 lakh hindus ethnic cleansed in Assam, 1991-2001 Sensitive Districts Assam Muslims 1991 Hindus 1991 Muslims 2001 Hindus 2001 Muslim % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Hindu % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Ethnic Cleansed Hindus Dhubri 0.939 0.386 1.216 0.405 29.5 4.9 38514 Goalpara 0.335 0.28 0.441 0.314 31.6 12.1 7720 Barpeta 0.777 0.605 0.978 0.662 25.9 9.4 33145 Nagaon 0.893 0.984 1.18 1.106 32.1 12.4 24616 Karimganj 0.407 0.416 0.527 0.471 29.5 13.2 6984 Halaikandi 0.246 0.197 0.313 0.223 27.2 13.2 3353 Morigaon 0.289 0.35 0.369 0.405 27.7 15.7 0 Cachar 0.419 0.773 0.522 0.887 24.6 14.7 1177 Darrang 0.415 0.802 0.535 0.879 28.9 9.6 42506 158015
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 8 2004, 04:55 PM
10 lakh hindus ethnic cleansed in West Bengal 1991-2001 5 lakh in Kolkata alone Sensitive Districts West Bengal Muslims 1991 Hindus 1991 Muslims 2001 Hindus 2001 Muslim % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Hindu % Decadal Growth 1991-2001 Ethnic Cleansed Hindus Maldah 1.252 1.38 1.636 1.621 30.7 17.5 0 Murshidabad 2.91 1.823 3.735 2.107 28.4 15.6 0 24 South Parganas 1.711 3.955 2.296 4.410 34.2 11.5 138425 Kolkata 0.779 3.582 0.927 3.607 19 0.7 512226 650651
Posted by: k.ram Oct 9 2004, 09:37 AM
Alarming decline in Hindu population: Parameswaran THIRUVANANTHAPURAM:The Hindu population of India will be reduced to 73% by 2025, says P Parameswaran, Director, Bharateeya Vichara Ke ndram, quoting a publication by the Oxford University. "The Christian population in India will increase to 7.5% by 2025. Among them 2 crores will be Crypto-Christians, " said Parameswaran quoting facts and figures from the two volumes “ World Christian Encyclopedia ” Published by the Oxford University Press in the Year 2001. "In the context of the growing anxiety and the raging controversy over the alarming increase in the population of the Muslims and Christians and the perceptible decline in the growth of Hindu population in India, the “World Christian Encyclopedia (2nd Edition 2001) recently published by the Oxford University Press reveals certain grave tendencies and discloses demographic data which are thought provoking. The two-volume encyclopedia gives country-by-country analysis of the demographic situation and also future predictions, religion wise. The chapter dealing with India is of special importance to us. After giving a detailed description of the history of the Church Movement in India in general the encyclopedia concludes 'by 2025 Christians will account for 7.5% of India’s population while Hindus will decline to under 73%(down from 80% in 1900)'. "Hindus will potentially decline as a percentage of India’s population as other religions continue to win adherents over the next few decades (page No.366 Volume-1). Looking at the present trend of growth of Christian population, the above prediction might appear to be off the mark. The recorded growth rate of Christianity excluding the North Eastern region is absolutely normal. It is only in the North East region where the overall population is very small that Christianity has registered alarmingly high rate of growth. But that would not add up to 10% growth by 2050. But the encyclopedia Volume-2 discloses another aspect, which would explain the conclusion they have drawn. It is the phenomena known as “Crypto-Christians”. It says “ believers in Christ, not professing publicly, not publicly baptized, nor enumerated, nor in government Census or public opinion polls, hence unknown to the state or the public or society, but usually affiliated and known to Churches are of 7 distinct types." Though the exact number of Crypto-Christians in India is not revealed, the encyclopedia states “ Global statistics estimate that they will be above 2 crores by the year 2025 ”(page No.657, Volume-2). This means that there is an unknown segment of population enumerated and looked upon as Hindus in India, but who are really Kerala Christians by faith and profession. The encyclopedia makes a special reference to Christianity in Kerala in which they have stated, that the largest number of churches and denominations are working in this state. It explains that Indian secularism which gives equal protection for all religions and provide free scope for practice and propagation makes it possible for these large numbers of denominational churches to flourish. The data as well as the prediction of the encyclopedia lend credence to the anxiety expressed by people on the basis of the latest religious Census released by the Govt. of India. Various kinds of activities organized by a number of churches like Acts of Charity, relief work, education, media etc. though not leading to outright conversion, end up in adding to the number of Crypto-Christians who also fit into the wider scheme of churches, to evangelise. Hence it is necessary that the concern expressed should be seriously addressed and not dismissed light-heartedly as motivated by fanatics or fundamentalists, says Parameswaran. Asianet News
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 17 2004, 07:56 PM
Togadiyaji calls for hindu counter-breeding Dailypioneer Togadia again harps on Muslim population UNI / Indore VHP general secretary Praveen Togadia on Sunday warned the central government to take adequate measures to control the growing Muslim population failing which the saffron outfit would start "have-eight-sons" campaign among Hindus. Togadia, who is here to participate in a 'Bhumi-pujan' ceremony of a Swadeshi fair being orgainsed by Swadeshi Jagran Manch next month, said the VHP would travel throughout the villages to inform people about the growing Muslim population. "If the Muslim population grew at the present pace the poverty and unemployment level would remain even if the Hindus followed the 'Hum do hamare do' concept. Moreover, it would exceed the Hindu population by 2051," Togadia claimed. The VHP general secretary said that the organisation would help the Government to keep the growth of Hindu population in check if it took steps to curb the growing Muslim population by imposing measures such as restrictions on jobs and loans.
Posted by: acharya Oct 20 2004, 01:29 PM
Hindutwa's Demographic Worries By Dr T T Sreekumar 09 October, 2004 Countercurrents.org "To leave error unrefuted is to encourage intellectual immorality" - Karl Marx Organizer, the RSS mouth piece, in an article in two parts written by CI Isaac, a History Professor in Kerala (September 19 & 26, 2004) has claimed that due to a "conspiracy" by minority communities, Hindus in Kerala are fast becoming a "minority". One does not know where to begin the reply to an article replete with so many inaccuracies, half truths, lies and bland statements. Nonetheless, in this reply I attempt to do two things: 1. Examine his "data", "explanations" and fallacious arguments and 2. Make bare the political mission of this article in contemporary Kerala. The article begins by stating that Hindus are "getting to be a minority". Hindus are "getting to be a minority"? Inaccurate figures on population share of Hindus in Kerala are provided to represent their demographic strength at the time "when India became a Republic" (which was 26th January 1950)and present. Probably he is quoting the figure from the 1951 census which gives the percentage figure for Hindu population in Kerala as 61.58. Then he goes on to lament that it has come down to 55% "now". When? Today? I think by this the author meant the figure from 2001 census, which gives the figure as 56.2 and not 55. At the all India level also, where the Kerala specific dynamisms that he specifically labours to explain this decline subsequently are virtually absent, a more or less similar pattern can be found for Hindu population. But what he suitably conceals in this apocalyptical description of the fall in the Hindu population is that comparative figures for one of the villains of his story- Christians- also have shown the same demographic tendency. In fact the comparable data is between 1961 and 2001 (and not 1951 as has been pointed out by experts on census data). The percentage of Christians in Kerala has declined from 21.22 to 19.02 during the period. The only plausible explanation is that in communities where literacy rates have been comparatively higher, we see a relative decline in growth rate of population which accounts for the percentage changes. It may be noted that the growth rate is lowest for Christians followed by Hindus. In fact after "India became a Republic" growth rate of Christian population in Kerala has been less than that of other communities. And particularly after 1970, it is significantly lower than Hindus and Muslims (60% of Hindu growth and less than 50 % of Muslim growth). This clearly points to the fallacy of using data from demographic transition on major communities to establish their relative socio-economic decline. Population decline is a major threat only to the Adivasi population in Kerala. Poverty, depravation and loss of rights over their own livelihood has affected the demographic transition of Adivasis in Kerala negatively. Another interesting development is the increase in the percentage of people declaring themselves as having no religion. In Kerala it has increased from 0.4% in 1991 to 0.8% in 2001. In fact the very premise of CI Isaac's article that Hindus in terms of a numerical decline face an exclusive socio-economic threat n Kerala is thus totally unfounded. Apparently, CI Isaac has no inclination to explain the decline in Hindu population on the basis of any sociological or anthropological arguments. Instead, he seeks recourse to an unsubstantiated and unspecified remark about "the handiwork of anti-national forces" Admittedly he was not interested in using the space- i.e., pages of Organizer where his article got published- "for a detailed analysis of this U-turn in the demographic structure of Kerala". Airing unsubstantiated accusations on an unspecified "force" appear to him a superior method to discussing and analyzing facts. This decline in Hindu population (which is only similar to such decline in Christian population as we have seen), according to him, has led to a "defeat of the community as a whole from the social, economic, cultural, political, etc. Scenarios of the land". What does he mean by defeat? How is this perceived defeat related to the phenomenon of relative decline in population shares which in Kerala, is in fact not unique to Hindus? CI Isaac argues that Hindus are only technically a majority in Kerala since they are divided along caste lines and lacking the "Hindu feeling". The so called Hindu feeling is missing because Hinduism historically has been a divider. Its ideology of caste is one of the craftiest tools of oppression and domination that humanity has witnessed. Hindu unity is not only impossible, but also ahistorical since lower castes under its fold can only express themselves politically and establish their social and ritual identity by challenging Hinduism and opposing its ideology of caste. That's what the Dalits in Kerala are doing now. It is in the interest of the Ezhava community to join hands with Dalits and fight Hindu ideology rather than go in for a politically and socially degrading Hindu unification with upper castes. CI Isaac is attempting to exploit the historical situation of the failure of the communist movement in Kerala (and elsewhere in India) to fully comprehend the dynamics of caste/class politics. He is at pains to use the vexed relationship between communist parties and Dalits in the state of Kerala to create an impression that within Hindu fold they have a more peaceful and contented existence. It is true that domination of Kerala Shoodras (who have historically aligned with Nampoothiris, the upper caste Brahmins and considered as upper caste by themselves as well as by the Caste hierarchy in Kerala, being second only to Nampoothiris in most instances) in the communist movement has caused a relative or near total absence of Dalits in their leadership. Communist parties have not been able to come to terms with this reality and live in a wishful world where everything is explained away by the evasive category of class politics. But to accuse, as Isaac does in his article, that the communist movement is responsible for the low socio economic standard of Dalits in Kerala is not historically or politically accurate. Their failures to address the question of Dalits and Adivasis are legendary. No doubts about that. Their approach to the Dalit question and the Adivasi question in Kerala has been at best insensitive and at worst reactionary. But it is part of the larger Shoodra politics in Kerala. Communist party has been high jacked by Shoodras and from land reforms to Narendran commission, it could reflect only Shoodra aspirations. But to hold communists responsible for the marginalization of Dalit literature in Kerala etc, as has been attempted by Isaac, is being acutely bereft of any understanding of the history of Kerala literature and its evolution. Dalit themes were brought to the mainstream of Malayalam literature by writers who had close relations with the communist movement. If CI Isaac ever cared, as a history teacher, to look at the dramatic shifts in literary narratives in Malayalam in 1930s and decided to be honest with his own self, he would never have made this totally erroneous statement. It was caste Hindus, the Thampurans (Lords) of the Sahithya Parishads who always tried to belittle the contributions of Dalits. Moreover, it was in 1896 that the Ezhava Memorial was submitted to the Travancore Government demanding job opportunities for Ezhavas, much before SNDP was formed! And this was against what Ezhavas thought as a betrayal of the Shoodra (Nairs) dominated Malayali Memorial in 1894 for job opportunities for "Malayalis" which when practiced became job opportunities only for Nairs! Secondly as commonly believed by some scholars there wasn't much of a "conversion" from caste based politics to class based politics. Historically, all lower castes belonged to the have-nots in Kerala and Caste based movements were in that sense already class based movements. The Kantian-Marxian concept of a `class for itself' is a historically and theoretically untenable concept. Communist party emerged in Kerala in late 1930s. Immediately after that they had to follow a collaborationist politics in support of the War which limited their potential for organizing any major movement during that time. At that time they were involved in "Grow more food campaign" "increase production campaign" "defend motherland campaign" "anti-hoarding campaign" etc., and many of their workers joined the army and went to far away places such as Ireland to fight for the British. At that time, the caste based movements of Dalits in Kerala joined hands with the anti-imperialist struggle and this made a great difference in the political scenario in Kerala. Interestingly, in the caste polarization of Hindus, CI Isaac sees a "minority conspiracy". What is his evidence? As a history teacher, he brings in the "Abstention movement" as evidence to substantiate his conspiracy theory. This I should say is the only ingenious part of his article. He actually says "events that have taken place in this state since the days of the Nivarthana (abstention) agitation of 1932 to the fourteenth Lok Sabha election of 2004" testify to his theory. But the events he narrates other than the Abstention movement, have nothing to do with anybody's conspiracy to "polarize Hindus". But Abstention movement was a polarizing force. Nonetheless, what he conveniently supresses is the fact that the movement was the result of the intensification of the polarization precipitated by caste Hindus themselves. By rejecting proportional representation in Sree Moolam Praja Sabha (The Legislative Assembly of Travancore), for minorities and non Shoodras, caste Hindus reinforced a polarization that began immediately after the Malayali memorial in 1894. Abstention movement was the culmination of a series of caste struggles that challenged the upper caste domination in Travancore society in the beginning decades of the 20th century. Or perhaps from the time of the great Dalit leader Ayyankali's famous "Villuvandi Yaathra" (travel in a bullock cart through public roads) in 1893 through forbidden roads defying the ban on Dalits' access to public roads. Mannathu Padmanabhan, the Nair leader who undertook a "Padayaathra" in support of the Vaikkom Sathyagraha, (an agitation for lifting the ban on access to Temple roads for Dalits in the shanty town of Vaikom in 1920s) that attracted national attention through Gandhi's involvement, vehemently opposed proportional representation to non Shoodra Hindus, Muslims and Christians in the Assembly. NSS supported the Vaikkom Sathyagraha because the "Skhethra Thyaga Samaram" (Temple Avoidance Movement) organized by Ezhavas in Travancore during c.1820 was a huge success. This movement asked Ezhavas and other lower castes not to pay offerings in Hindu temples. This had resulted in enormous loss of revenue to the Temples. "We want your money but we won't give you any political power" was the message of the upper caste Hindus to oppressed communities. This attitude of denying political power to non-caste Hindus was what precipitated the Abstention Movement. It was not a minority conspiracy. It was a movement to assert the political identity of both minorities as well as lower castes in Kerala. CI Isaac uses information from a Malayalam periodical editorial to drive home the point that minorities are economically well off due to the fact that they form a significant proportion of the NRKs in Kerala. This is indeed a known fact. Seeking employment outside the state has traditionally a minority phenomenon due to the historical fact that the major productive asset in the pre independent Kerala, land, was virtually the monopoly of caste Hindus. In the post independent period this tendency got reinforced when land reforms failed to produce the desired economic impacts. Migration has been thus the direct result of the social and economic situation of the virtual monopoly of caste Hindus on the means of production in the colonial agrarian economy in Kerala. The economic struggle and survival strategies of minorities to escape from the rigidities of a social system that economically oppressed them cannot be brought as a testimony to their "domination". -------------------------------------------------------------------- II One of the clear examples of distortion of historical facts and/or a conscious effort to interpret them wrongly is seen in the desription of the impacts of land reforms in Kerala. The article talks about "annihilation of Hindu land ownership" through land reforms. Anyone who looks at the tenurial relations in Kerala before land reforms will invariably find that the vast majority of tenants were upper caste Nairs. If one looks at T C Verghese's study which predates land reforms or reports on agricultural conditions in the three regions of Kerala including Tampy's report on impact on fragmentation of land holdings in Travancore in the 1930s, it can easily be found that Shoodra castes/communities dominated the land holding structure as immediate tenants to landlords. The way land reforms were conceived that it was redistribution of land to the tenants and freeing them from rental exploitation of landlords, naturally benefited them. The author keeps making unsubstantiated assertions on the basis of unsubstantiated observations which are further based on shaky statistics. After drawing an untenable argument of an exclusive "demographic and socio-economic" decline of "Hindus" he goes on to identify evidence for "Christianization" and "Islamization" of Kerala society as perpetuating `Hindu defeat'. The only evidences he give are an oblique reference to inclusion of traditional minority art forms/folklore in School Youth Festivals and an alleged exclusion of non Muslims in Arabic Youth Festivals. I don't have factual information about the latter, but I can only sympathize with the inferior aesthetic sensibility of a Malayali who resents the inclusion of traditional art forms of minorities which are culturally well integrated into the aesthetic domain of Kerala over centuries and appreciated by art lovers across all castes and communities, such as `aravana muttu', `oppana', `maappila pattu' and `maargam kali' in School Youth Festival in which many non minority children also participate. But if he considers this as evidence of Christianization and Islamization, I don't even have sympathies since it is part of a calculated attempt to subvert the efforts to inculcate multiculturalism in the hearts of our children as they grow up in a pluralistic political climate. The most cynical part of his article is where he talks about beef eating in Kerala. He creates an imaginary Kerala where "a conspiracy is going on to force the younger generation of Hindus to become beef- eaters" by minorities. This is, he says, attempted "in the name of friendship". For him "All these are indications of Hindu alienation and distancing from its cultural domain". Prof. D. N. Jha, a historian from Delhi University, in his well researched work, "Holy Cow: Beef in Indian Dietary Traditions" talks about the larger scenario of beef eating traditions in India. I don't feel the need to repeat all those points here. But I am unable to comprehend the fact that CI Isaac, who explains an (unsubstantiated) increased appetite for beef among "Hindu boys" (sic) as being forced by their friends from minority communities, is a history teacher by profession. I think before making such bland statements about history of beef eating in Kerala, as a history teacher, he should at least consult the Sree Moolam Praja Sabha Proceedings when a private Bill to ban slaughter of Cows in Travancore was discussed in 1930s. He gives the statistics of ownership of schools in Kerala to argue that minorities "control" the education scene in Kerala. I don't have the data before me to verify his facts which he quotes from a "Kesari" article, a local RSS mouth piece. Even if this is true, the situation has not been the result of any conspiracy by minorities, but a direct consequence of their attempt to improve their living conditions. While the upper castes in Kerala always resented attempts to provide education to lower castes, minorities and their institutions have consistently supported universal education particularly educational opportunities for Dalits and girls. The fact is that the social and economic progress of the minority communities and lower castes is somehow linked to the opening up of new economic opportunities in the period 1850-1900 related to the development of plantation agriculture and growth in spices trade. One incident that T K Madhavan, a reformer and freedom fighter belonging to the Ezhava community, mentions in his Memoir is indicative of the mismatch between social status and economic progress that the community had made: Alummootil Channar, an Ezhava who owned a car in the 1930s was not allowed to travel in it through the roads near to any temple where as his Nair driver can ride it anywhere. So when the car approached a temple road, the owner had to get down and walk through some near by bushes. Diffusion of education was seen by OBCs, Dalits and minorities in Kerala as a major medium for attaining the social status that they lacked. It is part of post colonial Kerala history that these communities have struggled to consolidate and build on past achievements. He argues that "Hindu share in the industry, agriculture and commerce is 28, 24 and 22 per cent respectively" where as "the Muslim share is 30, 23 and 40 per cent and Christian share is 35, 40 and 36 per cent respectively" quoting a 2002 issue of Mathrubhoomi, a Malayalam daily. I haven't had an opportunity to verify this quote, but I can clearly say that the way he has presented it makes it a kind of vague and bland statistics. What does he mean by share here? Number of entrepreneurs? Share of total revenue? Profits? Capital? Investment in stocks and shares? How was it calculated? In a state where jobs were denied to minorities in the Government sector for centuries, is it thoroughly unreasonable to find their concentration in other sectors of economic activity? Ironically, most of the "facts" that CI Isaac provides on closer examination turn against his own assertions and inferences. Although he uses data and statistics giving an impression of adherence and dedication to facts-a trendy factualism- his use of statistics is doing more disservice to the discipline than most of the insulting clichés (like "there are lies, damned lies and statistics" etc.) about it has ever done. The most interesting example is on the statistics on Hindu population projection: He says: "Since Independence, for every decade, the Hindu population in Kerala has been falling at the rate of more than 1 per cent. If this trend continues, within not less than three decades Hindus will lose their majority status in the state. At present, technically the Hindus are the majority community". If the rate of growth of population of Hindus falls at 1 percent per decade, they will become a minority in "three decades"! In a state where Christian population is declining at a faster rate!! Is this how he teaches history also? Forget statistics, historical demography is an expanding discipline and I am wondering if he has ever heard of its fundamentals. `Organizer' and CI Isaac are trying to divert our attention from the fast crystallizing pressure to implement Narendran Commission recommendations which directs the Kerala Government to conduct a special recruitment drive among Dalits and OBCs for filling reservation vacancies in the government sector. The attempt to focus on Nair-Ezhava unity is a calculated move to divide the emerging political coalition of Ezhavas, Muslims and Dalits in Kerala on the issue of reservations in general and implementation of Narendran Commission Report in particular. He thinks that the Ezhava dominated SNDP's indifference to Narendran commission report based on their belief that Ezhavas by and large have not been left out of the reservation net can be used to forge an alliance of SNDP and NSS to weaken the pro-reservation coalition. Positing the idea of an imminent Christianization and Islamization of Kerala provides the much needed ideological basis for this political operation. Further, it also tries to seek ideological capital for the so called "third front" led by BJP in which a splinter group from the Kerala Congress led by P C Thomas MP has already become a prominent ally. CI Isaac is not just "more of Joseph Pulikkunnel" (a relatively better known minority-baiter and Christian author in Kerala) that we know of. He is an ideologue of a emerging Hindutva politics which wants to weaken the cause of unification of other backward castes and communities (OBCs) and Dalits in Kerala to serve the interests of caste Hindus and rich Christians. But this attempt is going to be defeated since the OBCs and Dalits are able to see through its treacherous politics and designs.
Posted by: acharya Oct 20 2004, 01:31 PM
As a representative of the RSS, whose activities have always been visible to all, Isaac is justified in exposing the conspiratorial approach of Kerala's Muslims towards attaining their goals. Sreekumar is clearly an agent of anti-national forces, seeking as he does to gloss over many self-evident matters by playing with percentage points. Let us see if he can answer some simple questions. Is it not in secret that Muslim couples decide whether or not to have more children, while Hindu couples openly discuss their reproductive plans and practices in large groups, usually dressed in khaki shorts? Is it not true that Muslims improve their living conditions by snatching public resources which belong to Hindus by right, and by then saying deviously that they have laboured to earn these resources? Is it not true that Muslim technology, which has systematically been used to squeeze the feeling out of Hindus, is what has given them their present majority status in Kerala? Is it not true that no religious group can be more deserving of pity and Rampuri Trishuls than one which is only technically a group and which has been rendered devoid of all feeling? Is it not true that Muslims, having stolen the wisdom of Hindu sages, saints and tantriks, exercised a magical influence on the past of Hindu society so malign that it caused its fragmentation along caste lines, a fragmentation which has been made to persist to this day by anti-national forces? There are several more questions which might be posed to Sreekumar, but here I shall ask him only that which is more important than all the others combined. Can there be any justification - moral, statistical, metallurgical or pulmonary - for Hindus to be reduced to a minority in a province of a Hindu Rashtra?
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 20 2004, 06:41 PM
The kerala hindu problem is simple Over-education of women, careerisation of women aping of western women A lot of this is due to commie influence and foolishly doing too much family planning and reducing hindu fertility to european levels which are below replacement The kerala hindu situation can be rescued by my favorite prescription, raise fertility to 3 at least
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Oct 29 2004, 08:29 PM
http://www.islamicvoice.com/October2004/MuslimPerspectives/ In a recent book, demographers, P. N. Mari Bhat and A J Francis Zavier pointed out that the fertility of Muslims is higher than the bottom-most groups in the caste hierarchy, namely scheduled castes and tribes.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Nov 1 2004, 06:03 PM
Shri Togadiya calls for counter-breeding to stop islam MSN.News Follow 8 sons norm, Hindus urged Source: IANS. Image Source: AFP Vadtal (Gujarat), Nov 1: Hardline Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) Sunday urged Hindus to follow the 'eight sons' norm to beat Muslims in the numbers' race because they did not care to control their population. "The options before us are clear: either let their (Muslim's) population grow and India will become an Islamic nation. Or, Hindus should actively adopt the policy of population increase taking a cue from our scriptures which bless a person with 'ashta putro bhava' (beget eight sons)," said Pravin Togadia, VHP international secretary. "There is, however, a third way, which is that the government should bring in a legislation forcing two-child norm and monogamy for all, including Muslims," Togadia told a gathering of full-time activists of the organisation. The firebrand Hindutva leader was addressing the ongoing nine-day workshop at this temple town, about 80 km from state's principal city of Ahmedabad, attended by some 600-odd full-time activists from across the country. Advertisement Try MSN Search! Get precise results on any topic under the sun! .................. Home Loans @ 7%! Festive Offer - EMI as low as Rs.776/- per lakh .................. Click and Win contest Win Diamond set, Nokia phone, VCDs and lots of exciting gifts! Togadia was referring to the recent controversy over census figures that gave the impression that the Muslim population rose by 36 percent during 1991-2001 compared to 16 percent for Hindus. Addressing the first open session of the workshop, he said the VHP's ideological ally, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), had lost the trust of the people. VHP international working president Ashok Singhal, too, did not mince his words. "We want to build temples at all the three (controversial) places, Ayodhya, Kashi and Mathura. The BJP leaders used to request us to drop the last two. We said, we can drop the BJP, but not Kashi and Mathura," he told the gathering. Naming Islam, Christianity, secularism and Marxism as four "religions" out to harm Hindus, Togadia criticised first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru and former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, while praising first home minister Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, whose 130th birth anniversary was celebrated Sunday. "Nehru created all problems. He used to talk of 'nationalist Muslim', but Sardar rightly pointed out that the only nationalist Muslim in the country was Nehru. "And, then, we have this other gentleman who wishes to become a nationalist Muslim. Vajpayee never had faith in the concept of Hindu Rashtra. He had some talents, nice orator he was, but we want the kind of leader who would have his base in the Hindu society." Among the decisions taken at the ongoing workshop is the project to celebrate across the country "Ram Mahotsava" during the first nine days of Chaitra (in April) every year on the lines of popular religious festivals after Ganesha and Durga. VHP's associate Bajarang Dal has decided to enroll two million new members in a year.
Posted by: acharya Nov 1 2004, 06:19 PM
Reservation for converts: Centre's view sought http://www.hindu.com/2004/10/29/stories/2004102901581300.htm NEW DELHI, OCT. 28. The Supreme Court has asked the Attorney-General, Milon Banerjee, to ascertain the Centre's view on a petition seeking extension of reservation benefits for the Scheduled Castes even after they convert to Christianity. A Bench, comprising the Chief Justice, R. C. Lahoti, and Justice G P Mathur, asked Mr. Banerjee, to do this within four weeks on a petition filed by the Centre for Public Interest Litigation (CPIL). It challenged the constitutional validity of paragraph 3 of the Constitution (Scheduled Castes) Orders, 1950 by which thse sections of the population professing and converting faith in religions different from Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism were deprived of the reservation benefits. The petitioner contended that the 1950 Order violated the right to equality guaranteed under Article 14 of the Constitution as the Scheduled Caste converts to Christianity were deprived of the benefit given to people from the same community belonging to other religions. It said that the social and economic liabilities of these people persisted even after their conversion. "There cannot be any distinction between the Scheduled Caste converts to Sikhism and Buddhism and the Scheduled Caste converts to Christianity," it said, seeking the reservation benefits, including job and political reservation, for them. -------------------------------------------------------------- (Fwd)Note from All India Christian Council (AICC) All India Christian Council along with other like minded organisations had constituted a high level committee of persons involved / interested in the topic at Delhi. Will have mass meetings in all the Districts of Andhra Pradesh and a Sample letter of request to the Prime Minister and a copy to The Attorney General will be mobilised from several thousands of people. One major public meeting is confirmed on the 13th November in Ravulapalem (Near Rajahmundry) West Godavari Dist. With over 50,000 people participating and with three or four Members of Parliament.
Posted by: acharya Nov 1 2004, 06:32 PM
Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines Message 5834 of 5911 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # From: Regi P George Date: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:07 am Subject: Hindutwa's Demographic Worries ADVERTISEMENT Hindutwa's Demographic Worries By Dr T T Sreekumar 09 October, 2004 Countercurrents.org "To leave error unrefuted is to encourage intellectual immorality” -Karl Marx Organizer, the RSS mouth piece, in an article in two parts written by CI Isaac, a History Professor in Kerala (September 19 & 26, 2004) has claimed that due to a “conspiracy” by minority communities, Hindus in Kerala are fast becoming a “minority”. One does not know where to begin the reply to an article replete with so many inaccuracies, half truths, lies and bland statements. Nonetheless, in this reply I attempt to do two things: 1. Examine his "data", "explanations" and fallacious arguments and 2. Make bare the political mission of this article in contemporary Kerala. The article begins by stating that Hindus are "getting to be a minority". Hindus are "getting to be a minority"? Inaccurate figures on population share of Hindus in Kerala are provided to represent their demographic strength at the time "when India became a Republic" (which was 26th January 1950)and present. Probably he is quoting the figure from the 1951 census which gives the percentage figure for Hindu population in Kerala as 61.58. Then he goes on to lament that it has come down to 55% “now”. When? Today? I think by this the author meant the figure from 2001 census, which gives the figure as 56.2 and not 55. At the all India level also, where the Kerala specific dynamisms that he specifically labours to explain this decline subsequently are virtually absent, a more or less similar pattern can be found for Hindu population. But what he suitably conceals in this apocalyptical description of the fall in the Hindu population is that comparative figures for one of the villains of his story- Christians- also have shown the same demographic tendency. In fact the comparable data is between 1961 and 2001 (and not 1951 as has been pointed out by experts on census data). The percentage of Christians in Kerala has declined from 21.22 to 19.02 during the period. The only plausible explanation is that in communities where literacy rates have been comparatively higher, we see a relative decline in growth rate of population which accounts for the percentage changes. It may be noted that the growth rate is lowest for Christians followed by Hindus. In fact after "India became a Republic" growth rate of Christian population in Kerala has been less than that of other communities. And particularly after 1970, it is significantly lower than Hindus and Muslims (60% of Hindu growth and less than 50 % of Muslim growth). This clearly points to the fallacy of using data from demographic transition on major communities to establish their relative socio-economic decline. Population decline is a major threat only to the Adivasi population in Kerala. Poverty, depravation and loss of rights over their own livelihood has affected the demographic transition of Adivasis in Kerala negatively. Another interesting development is the increase in the percentage of people declaring themselves as having no religion. In Kerala it has increased from 0.4% in 1991 to 0.8% in 2001. In fact the very premise of CI Isaac’s article that Hindus in terms of a numerical decline face an exclusive socio-economic threat n Kerala is thus totally unfounded. Apparently, CI Isaac has no inclination to explain the decline in Hindu population on the basis of any sociological or anthropological arguments. Instead, he seeks recourse to an unsubstantiated and unspecified remark about "the handiwork of anti-national forces" Admittedly he was not interested in using the space- i.e., pages of Organizer where his article got published- "for a detailed analysis of this U-turn in the demographic structure of Kerala". Airing unsubstantiated accusations on an unspecified “force” appear to him a superior method to discussing and analyzing facts. This decline in Hindu population (which is only similar to such decline in Christian population as we have seen), according to him, has led to a "defeat of the community as a whole from the social, economic, cultural, political, etc. scenarios of the land". What does he mean by defeat? How is this perceived defeat related to the phenomenon of relative decline in population shares which in Kerala, is in fact not unique to Hindus? CI Isaac argues that Hindus are only technically a majority in Kerala since they are divided along caste lines and lacking the “Hindu feeling”. The so called Hindu feeling is missing because Hinduism historically has been a divider. Its ideology of caste is one of the craftiest tools of oppression and domination that humanity has witnessed. Hindu unity is not only impossible, but also a
Posted by: acharya Nov 1 2004, 06:34 PM
Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines Message 5834 of 5911 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # From: Regi P George Date: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:07 am Subject: Hindutwa's Demographic Worries ADVERTISEMENT Hindutwa's Demographic Worries By Dr T T Sreekumar 09 October, 2004 Countercurrents.org "To leave error unrefuted is to encourage intellectual immorality” -Karl Marx Organizer, the RSS mouth piece, in an article in two parts written by CI Isaac, a History Professor in Kerala (September 19 & 26, 2004) has claimed that due to a “conspiracy” by minority communities, Hindus in Kerala are fast becoming a “minority”. One does not know where to begin the reply to an article replete with so many inaccuracies, half truths, lies and bland statements. Nonetheless, in this reply I attempt to do two things: 1. Examine his "data", "explanations" and fallacious arguments and 2. Make bare the political mission of this article in contemporary Kerala. The article begins by stating that Hindus are "getting to be a minority". Hindus are "getting to be a minority"? Inaccurate figures on population share of Hindus in Kerala are provided to represent their demographic strength at the time "when India became a Republic" (which was 26th January 1950)and present. Probably he is quoting the figure from the 1951 census which gives the percentage figure for Hindu population in Kerala as 61.58. Then he goes on to lament that it has come down to 55% “now”. When? Today? I think by this the author meant the figure from 2001 census, which gives the figure as 56.2 and not 55. At the all India level also, where the Kerala specific dynamisms that he specifically labours to explain this decline subsequently are virtually absent, a more or less similar pattern can be found for Hindu population. But what he suitably conceals in this apocalyptical description of the fall in the Hindu population is that comparative figures for one of the villains of his story- Christians- also have shown the same demographic tendency. In fact the comparable data is between 1961 and 2001 (and not 1951 as has been pointed out by experts on census data). The percentage of Christians in Kerala has declined from 21.22 to 19.02 during the period. The only plausible explanation is that in communities where literacy rates have been comparatively higher, we see a relative decline in growth rate of population which accounts for the percentage changes. It may be noted that the growth rate is lowest for Christians followed by Hindus. In fact after "India became a Republic" growth rate of Christian population in Kerala has been less than that of other communities. And particularly after 1970, it is significantly lower than Hindus and Muslims (60% of Hindu growth and less than 50 % of Muslim growth). This clearly points to the fallacy of using data from demographic transition on major communities to establish their relative socio-economic decline. Population decline is a major threat only to the Adivasi population in Kerala. Poverty, depravation and loss of rights over their own livelihood has affected the demographic transition of Adivasis in Kerala negatively. Another interesting development is the increase in the percentage of people declaring themselves as having no religion. In Kerala it has increased from 0.4% in 1991 to 0.8% in 2001. In fact the very premise of CI Isaac’s article that Hindus in terms of a numerical decline face an exclusive socio-economic threat n Kerala is thus totally unfounded. Apparently, CI Isaac has no inclination to explain the decline in Hindu population on the basis of any sociological or anthropological arguments. Instead, he seeks recourse to an unsubstantiated and unspecified remark about "the handiwork of anti-national forces" Admittedly he was not interested in using the space- i.e., pages of Organizer where his article got published- "for a detailed analysis of this U-turn in the demographic structure of Kerala". Airing unsubstantiated accusations on an unspecified “force” appear to him a superior method to discussing and analyzing facts. This decline in Hindu population (which is only similar to such decline in Christian population as we have seen), according to him, has led to a "defeat of the community as a whole from the social, economic, cultural, political, etc. scenarios of the land". What does he mean by defeat? How is this perceived defeat related to the phenomenon of relative decline in population shares which in Kerala, is in fact not unique to Hindus? CI Isaac argues that Hindus are only technically a majority in Kerala since they are divided along caste lines and lacking the “Hindu feeling”. The so called Hindu feeling is missing because Hinduism historically has been a divider. Its ideology of caste is one of the craftiest tools of oppression and domination that humanity has witnessed. Hindu unity is not only impossible, but also ahistorical since lower castes under its fold can only express themselves politically and establish their social and ritual identity by challenging Hinduism and opposing its ideology of caste. That’s what the Dalits in Kerala are doing now. It is in the interest of the Ezhava community to join hands with Dalits and fight Hindu ideology rather than go in for a politically and socially degrading Hindu unification with upper castes. CI Isaac is attempting to exploit the historical situation of the failure of the communist movement in Kerala (and elsewhere in India) to fully comprehend the dynamics of caste/class politics. He is at pains to use the vexed relationship between communist parties and Dalits in the state of Kerala to create an impression that within Hindu fold they have a more peaceful and contented existence. It is true that domination of Kerala Shoodras (who have historically aligned with Nampoothiris, the upper caste Brahmins and considered as upper caste by themselves as well as by the Caste hierarchy in Kerala, being second only to Nampoothiris in most instances) in the communist movement has caused a relative or near total absence of Dalits in their leadership. Communist parties have not been able to come to terms with this reality and live in a wishful world where everything is explained away by the evasive category of class politics. But to accuse, as Isaac does in his article, that the communist movement is responsible for the low socio economic standard of Dalits in Kerala is not historically or politically accurate. Their failures to address the question of Dalits and Adivasis are legendary. No doubts about that. Their approach to the Dalit question and the Adivasi question in Kerala has been at best insensitive and at worst reactionary. But it is part of the larger Shoodra politics in Kerala. Communist party has been high jacked by Shoodras and from land reforms to Narendran commission, it could reflect only Shoodra aspirations. But to hold communists responsible for the marginalization of Dalit literature in Kerala etc, as has been attempted by Isaac, is being acutely bereft of any understanding of the history of Kerala literature and its evolution. Dalit themes were brought to the mainstream of Malayalam literature by writers who had close relations with the communist movement. If CI Isaac ever cared, as a history teacher, to look at the dramatic shifts in literary narratives in Malayalam in 1930s and decided to be honest with his own self, he would never have made this totally erroneous statement. It was caste Hindus, the Thampurans (Lords) of the Sahithya Parishads who always tried to belittle the contributions of Dalits. Moreover, it was in 1896 that the Ezhava Memorial was submitted to the Travancore Government demanding job opportunities for Ezhavas, much before SNDP was formed! And this was against what Ezhavas thought as a betrayal of the Shoodra (Nairs) dominated Malayali Memorial in 1894 for job opportunities for "Malayalis" which when practiced became job opportunities only for Nairs! Secondly as commonly believed by some scholars there wasn’t much of a "conversion" from caste based politics to class based politics. Historically, all lower castes belonged to the have-nots in Kerala and Caste based movements were in that sense already class based movements. The Kantian-Marxian concept of a ‘class for itself’ is a historically and theoretically untenable concept. Communist party emerged in Kerala in late 1930s. Immediately after that they had to follow a collaborationist politics in support of the War which limited their potential for organizing any major movement during that time. At that time they were involved in "Grow more food campaign" "increase production campaign" "defend motherland campaign" “anti-hoarding campaign” etc., and many of their workers joined the army and went to far away places such as Ireland to fight for the British. At that time, the caste based movements of Dalits in Kerala joined hands with the anti-imperialist struggle and this made a great difference in the political scenario in Kerala. Interestingly, in the caste polarization of Hindus, CI Isaac sees a “minority conspiracy”. What is his evidence? As a history teacher, he brings in the “Abstention movement” as evidence to substantiate his conspiracy theory. This I should say is the only ingenious part of his article. He actually says “events that have taken place in this state since the days of the Nivarthana (abstention) agitation of 1932 to the fourteenth Lok Sabha election of 2004” testify to his theory. But the events he narrates other than the Abstention movement, have nothing to do with anybody’s conspiracy to “polarize Hindus”. But Abstention movement was a polarizing force. Nonetheless, what he conveniently supresses is the fact that the movement was the result of the intensification of the polarization precipitated by caste Hindus themselves. By rejecting proportional representation in Sree Moolam Praja Sabha (The Legislative Assembly of Travancore), for minorities and non Shoodras, caste Hindus reinforced a polarization that began immediately after the Malayali memorial in 1894. Abstention movement was the culmination of a series of caste struggles that challenged the upper caste domination in Travancore society in the beginning decades of the 20th century. Or perhaps from the time of the great Dalit leader Ayyankali’s famous “Villuvandi Yaathra” (travel in a bullock cart through public roads) in 1893 through forbidden roads defying the ban on Dalits’ access to public roads. Mannathu Padmanabhan, the Nair leader who undertook a “Padayaathra” in support of the Vaikkom Sathyagraha, (an agitation for lifting the ban on access to Temple roads for Dalits in the shanty town of Vaikom in 1920s) that attracted national attention through Gandhi’s involvement, vehemently opposed proportional representation to non Shoodra Hindus, Muslims and Christians in the Assembly. NSS supported the Vaikkom Sathyagraha because the “Skhethra Thyaga Samaram” (Temple Avoidance Movement) organized by Ezhavas in Travancore during c.1820 was a huge success. This movement asked Ezhavas and other lower castes not to pay offerings in Hindu temples. This had resulted in enormous loss of revenue to the Temples. “We want your money but we won’t give you any political power” was the message of the upper caste Hindus to oppressed communities. This attitude of denying political power to non-caste Hindus was what precipitated the Abstention Movement. It was not a minority conspiracy. It was a movement to assert the political identity of both minorities as well as lower castes in Kerala. CI Isaac uses information from a Malayalam periodical editorial to drive home the point that minorities are economically well off due to the fact that they form a significant proportion of the NRKs in Kerala. This is indeed a known fact. Seeking employment outside the state has traditionally a minority phenomenon due to the historical fact that the major productive asset in the pre independent Kerala, land, was virtually the monopoly of caste Hindus. In the post independent period this tendency got reinforced when land reforms failed to produce the desired economic impacts. Migration has been thus the direct result of the social and economic situation of the virtual monopoly of caste Hindus on the means of production in the colonial agrarian economy in Kerala. The economic struggle and survival strategies of minorities to escape from the rigidities of a social system that economically oppressed them cannot be brought as a testimony to their “domination”. II One of the clear examples of distortion of historical facts and/or a conscious effort to interpret them wrongly is seen in the desription of the impacts of land reforms in Kerala. The article talks about “annihilation of Hindu land ownership” through land reforms. Anyone who looks at the tenurial relations in Kerala before land reforms will invariably find that the vast majority of tenants were upper caste Nairs. If one looks at T C Verghese's study which predates land reforms or reports on agricultural conditions in the three regions of Kerala including Tampy's report on impact on fragmentation of land holdings in Travancore in the 1930s, it can easily be found that Shoodra castes/communities dominated the land holding structure as immediate tenants to landlords. The way land reforms were conceived that it was redistribution of land to the tenants and freeing them from rental exploitation of landlords, naturally benefited them. The author keeps making unsubstantiated assertions on the basis of unsubstantiated observations which are further based on shaky statistics. After drawing an untenable argument of an exclusive “demographic and socio-economic” decline of “Hindus” he goes on to identify evidence for “Christianization” and “Islamization” of Kerala society as perpetuating ‘Hindu defeat’. The only evidences he give are an oblique reference to inclusion of traditional minority art forms/folklore in School Youth Festivals and an alleged exclusion of non Muslims in Arabic Youth Festivals. I don’t have factual information about the latter, but I can only sympathize with the inferior aesthetic sensibility of a Malayali who resents the inclusion of traditional art forms of minorities which are culturally well integrated into the aesthetic domain of Kerala over centuries and appreciated by art lovers across all castes and communities, such as ‘aravana muttu’, ‘oppana’, ‘maappila pattu’ and ‘maargam kali’ in School Youth Festival in which many non minority children also participate. But if he considers this as evidence of Christianization and Islamization, I don’t even have sympathies since it is part of a calculated attempt to subvert the efforts to inculcate multiculturalism in the hearts of our children as they grow up in a pluralistic political climate. The most cynical part of his article is where he talks about beef eating in Kerala. He creates an imaginary Kerala where “a conspiracy is going on to force the younger generation of Hindus to become beef-eaters” by minorities. This is, he says, attempted “in the name of friendship”. For him “All these are indications of Hindu alienation and distancing from its cultural domain”. Prof. D. N. Jha, a historian from Delhi University, in his well researched work, “Holy Cow: Beef in Indian Dietary Traditions” talks about the larger scenario of beef eating traditions in India. I don’t feel the need to repeat all those points here. But I am unable to comprehend the fact that CI Isaac, who explains an (unsubstantiated) increased appetite for beef among “Hindu boys” (sic) as being forced by their friends from minority communities, is a history teacher by profession. I think before making such bland statements about history of beef eating in Kerala, as a history teacher, he should at least consult the Sree Moolam Praja Sabha Proceedings when a private Bill to ban slaughter of Cows in Travancore was discussed in 1930s. He gives the statistics of ownership of schools in Kerala to argue that minorities “control” the education scene in Kerala. I don’t have the data before me to verify his facts which he quotes from a “Kesari” article, a local RSS mouth piece. Even if this is true, the situation has not been the result of any conspiracy by minorities, but a direct consequence of their attempt to improve their living conditions. While the upper castes in Kerala always resented attempts to provide education to lower castes, minorities and their institutions have consistently supported universal education particularly educational opportunities for Dalits and girls. The fact is that the social and economic progress of the minority communities and lower castes is somehow linked to the opening up of new economic opportunities in the period 1850-1900 related to the development of plantation agriculture and growth in spices trade. One incident that T K Madhavan, a reformer and freedom fighter belonging to the Ezhava community, mentions in his Memoir is indicative of the mismatch between social status and economic progress that the community had made: Alummootil Channar, an Ezhava who owned a car in the 1930s was not allowed to travel in it through the roads near to any temple where as his Nair driver can ride it anywhere. So when the car approached a temple road, the owner had to get down and walk through some near by bushes. Diffusion of education was seen by OBCs, Dalits and minorities in Kerala as a major medium for attaining the social status that they lacked. It is part of post colonial Kerala history that these communities have struggled to consolidate and build on past achievements. He argues that “Hindu share in the industry, agriculture and commerce is 28, 24 and 22 per cent respectively” where as “the Muslim share is 30, 23 and 40 per cent and Christian share is 35, 40 and 36 per cent respectively” quoting a 2002 issue of Mathrubhoomi, a Malayalam daily. I haven’t had an opportunity to verify this quote, but I can clearly say that the way he has presented it makes it a kind of vague and bland statistics. What does he mean by share here? Number of entrepreneurs? Share of total revenue? Profits? Capital? Investment in stocks and shares? How was it calculated? In a state where jobs were denied to minorities in the Government sector for centuries, is it thoroughly unreasonable to find their concentration in other sectors of economic activity? Ironically, most of the “facts” that CI Isaac provides on closer examination turn against his own assertions and inferences. Although he uses data and statistics giving an impression of adherence and dedication to facts-a trendy factualism- his use of statistics is doing more disservice to the discipline than most of the insulting clichés (like “there are lies, damned lies and statistics” etc.) about it has ever done. The most interesting example is on the statistics on Hindu population projection: He says: “Since Independence, for every decade, the Hindu population in Kerala has been falling at the rate of more than 1 per cent. If this trend continues, within not less than three decades Hindus will lose their majority status in the state. At present, technically the Hindus are the majority community”. If the rate of growth of population of Hindus falls at 1 percent per decade, they will become a minority in “three decades”! In a state where Christian population is declining at a faster rate!! Is this how he teaches history also? Forget statistics, historical demography is an expanding discipline and I am wondering if he has ever heard of its fundamentals. ‘Organizer’ and CI Isaac are trying to divert our attention from the fast crystallizing pressure to implement Narendran Commission recommendations which directs the Kerala Government to conduct a special recruitment drive among Dalits and OBCs for filling reservation vacancies in the government sector. The attempt to focus on Nair-Ezhava unity is a calculated move to divide the emerging political coalition of Ezhavas, Muslims and Dalits in Kerala on the issue of reservations in general and implementation of Narendran Commission Report in particular. He thinks that the Ezhava dominated SNDP’s indifference to Narendran commission report based on their belief that Ezhavas by and large have not been left out of the reservation net can be used to forge an alliance of SNDP and NSS to weaken the pro-reservation coalition. Positing the idea of an imminent Christianization and Islamization of Kerala provides the much needed ideological basis for this political operation. Further, it also tries to seek ideological capital for the so called “third front” led by BJP in which a splinter group from the Kerala Congress led by P C Thomas MP has already become a prominent ally. CI Isaac is not just “more of Joseph Pulikkunnel” (a relatively better known minority-baiter and Christian author in Kerala) that we know of. He is an ideologue of a emerging Hindutva politics which wants to weaken the cause of unification of other backward castes and communities (OBCs) and Dalits in Kerala to serve the interests of caste Hindus and rich Christians. But this attempt is going to be defeated since the OBCs and Dalits are able to see through its treacherous politics and designs.
Posted by: rajesh_g Nov 3 2004, 12:36 PM
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FK02Aa04.html
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"One candidate tells you that he will enlist foreign allies in your crusade against us. These supposed allies are the ones who love death. In half a century the number of Europeans will fall by 50 million, because the Europeans no longer love life enough to bring new life into this world. Three hundred and twenty years ago a Muslim army stood before the gates of Vienna, and Europe barely escaped conversion to the true faith at swordpoint. During the next half-century Muslims will wander into Europe and replenish the half-empty towns with people, and the sound of children's voices once again will be heard - but in Arabic.
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"People of America, your leaders falsely tell you that jihadis love death rather than life. It is true that life to us means more than the material existence on this Earth, but also life everlasting - but did not your prophets tell you the same thing? If we hate life, why do we have more children than you? The population of the Arab world doubled during the 20 years between 1978 and 1998, and between 1998 and 2010 will have grown by yet another third. [6]
Now from the sheikh himself - weapons of mass production .. ohmy.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Nov 19 2004, 12:24 PM
http://news.indiainfo.com/2004/11/19/1911guj.html
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New Delhi: BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party)-ruled Gujarat is bringing forward a bill in the coming session of the State legislature to ban those with more than two children from contesting polls as part of population control measures, Chief Minister Narendra Modi said today (Nov 19, 2004). Modi, who had created a controversy sometime back over his reported remarks implying that population growth was more among minorities, said that he was of the considered view that unless population was controlled, no development was possible. Interacting with the media at the IITF (India International Trade Fair), he did not specify on which elections the measure would be applied. Gujarat has already set up a Commission on the issue, which has recommended several incentives and disincentives to promote small family norm, he said.
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Nov 19 2004, 02:16 PM
Modi is moronic in this 1. Muslims dont obey laws 2. This only affects politicians, less than 1 in 1000 3. This does not contain illegal immigration from pakistan or BD Have 5 or be islamised G.S
Posted by: Mudy Dec 3 2004, 04:12 PM
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=39160&headline='Hindus~will~become~a~minority~in~India~by~2061' Press Trust of India Posted online: Friday, December 03, 2004 at 1526 hours IST Deoria (UP), December 3: Criticising the Tamil Nadu government for arresting Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati, RSS chief K Sudershan has said the manner in which it was done was "condemnable". "The way the Kanchi seer was arrested merely on the statement of someone is condemnable", Sudershan said while addressing a meeting of RSS workers on Thursday. He also exhorted Hindus to rise above caste and religious feelings and work unitedly to make the country more prosperous and strong. Expressing concern over the rise in the population of Muslims and Christians and decline in that of Hindus, Sudershan said, "If this trend continues, Hindus will become a minority in their own country by 2061".
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Dec 8 2004, 09:32 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/07/opinion/07brooks.html?ex=1260162000&en=01fd7b75c4026d23&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt The New Red-Diaper Babies By DAVID BROOKS Published: December 7, 2004 here is a little-known movement sweeping across the United States. The movement is "natalism." All across the industrialized world, birthrates are falling - in Western Europe, in Canada and in many regions of the United States. People are marrying later and having fewer kids. But spread around this country, and concentrated in certain areas, the natalists defy these trends. They are having three, four or more kids. Their personal identity is defined by parenthood. They are more spiritually, emotionally and physically invested in their homes than in any other sphere of life, having concluded that parenthood is the most enriching and elevating thing they can do. Very often they have sacrificed pleasures like sophisticated movies, restaurant dining and foreign travel, let alone competitive careers and disposable income, for the sake of their parental calling. In a world that often makes it hard to raise large families, many are willing to move to find places that are congenial to natalist values. The fastest-growing regions of the country tend to have the highest concentrations of children. Young families move away from what they perceive as disorder, vulgarity and danger and move to places like Douglas County in Colorado (which is the fastest-growing county in the country and has one of the highest concentrations of kids). Some people see these exurbs as sprawling, materialistic wastelands, but many natalists see them as clean, orderly and affordable places where they can nurture children. If you wanted a one-sentence explanation for the explosive growth of far-flung suburbs, it would be that when people get money, one of the first things they do is use it to try to protect their children from bad influences. So there are significant fertility inequalities across regions. People on the Great Plains and in the Southwest are much more fertile than people in New England or on the Pacific coast. You can see surprising political correlations. As Steve Sailer pointed out in The American Conservative, George Bush carried the 19 states with the highest white fertility rates, and 25 of the top 26. John Kerry won the 16 states with the lowest rates. In The New Republic Online, Joel Kotkin and William Frey observe, "Democrats swept the largely childless cities - true blue locales like San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Boston and Manhattan have the lowest percentages of children in the nation - but generally had poor showings in those places where families are settling down, notably the Sun Belt cities, exurbs and outer suburbs of older metropolitan areas." Politicians will try to pander to this group. They should know this is a spiritual movement, not a political one. The people who are having big families are explicitly rejecting materialistic incentives and hyperindividualism. It costs a middle-class family upward of $200,000 to raise a child. These people are saying money and ambition will not be their gods. Natalists resist the declining fertility trends not because of income, education or other socioeconomic characteristics. It's attitudes. People with larger families tend to attend religious services more often, and tend to have more traditional gender roles. I draw attention to natalists because they're an important feature of our national life. Because of them, the U.S. stands out in all sorts of demographic and cultural categories. But I do it also because when we talk about the divide on values in this country, caricatured in the red and blue maps, it's important that we understand the true motive forces behind it. Natalists are associated with red America, but they're not launching a jihad. The differences between them and people on the other side of the cultural or political divide are differences of degree, not kind. Like most Americans, but perhaps more anxiously, they try to shepherd their kids through supermarket checkouts lined with screaming Cosmo or Maxim cover lines. Like most Americans, but maybe more so, they suspect that we won't solve our social problems or see improvements in our schools as long as many kids are growing up in barely functioning families. Like most Americans, and maybe more so because they tend to marry earlier, they find themselves confronting the consequences of divorce. Like most Americans, they wonder how we can be tolerant of diverse lifestyles while still preserving the family institutions that are under threat. What they cherish, like most Americans, is the self-sacrificial love shown by parents. People who have enough kids for a basketball team are too busy to fight a culture war. E-mail: dabrooks@nytimes.com
Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 20 2004, 04:07 PM
http://www.sulekha.com/news/newsitem.aspx?cid=410243
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How birthrates explain the national red/blue electoral divide Despite the endless verbiage expended trying to explain America’s remarkably stable division into Republican and Democratic regions, almost no one has mentioned the obscure demographic factor that correlated uncannily with states’ partisan splits in both 2000 and 2004. Clearly, the issues that so excite political journalists had but a meager impact on most voters. For example, the press spent the last week of the 2004 campaign in a tizzy over the looting of explosives at Iraq’s al-Qaqaa munitions dump, but, if voters even noticed al-Qaqaa, their reactions were predetermined by their party loyalty. The 2000 presidential election, held during peace and prosperity, became instantly famous for illuminating a land culturally divided into a sprawling but thinly populated “red” expanse of Republicans broken up by small but densely peopled “blue” archipelagos of Democrats. Four years of staggering events ensued, during which President Bush discarded his old “humble” foreign policy for a new one of nearly Alexandrine ambitions. Yet the geographic and demographic profiles of Bush voters in 2004 turned out almost identical to 2000, with the country as a whole simply nudged three points to the right. Only a few groups appeared to have moved more than the average. The counties within commuting distance of New York’s World Trade Center became noticeably less anti-Bush. Yet even the one purported sizable demographic change—the claim by the troubled exit poll that Bush picked up nine points among Hispanics—appears to be an exaggeration caused by small sample sizes and poor survey techniques. In the real world, Hispanic counties swung toward Bush only about as much as everybody else did. That the president launched a war under false pretenses no doubt caused a few highly-informed constituencies, such as the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, and the subscribers to this magazine, to shift many of their votes, but almost every group large enough to be measurable by exit polling was relatively stable. If they supported Bush’s foreign policy in 2000, they supported his contrary stance in 2004 and vice versa. Still, this doesn’t mean voters are choosing red or blue frivolously. Indeed, voters are picking their parties based on differing approaches to the most fundamentally important human activity: having babies. The white people in Republican-voting regions consistently have more children than the white people in Democratic-voting regions. The more kids whites have, the more pro-Bush they get. I’ll focus primarily on Caucasians, who overall voted for Bush 58-41, in part because they are doing most of the arguing over the meaning of the red-blue division. The reasons blacks vote Democratic are obvious, and other racial blocs are smaller. Whites remain the 800-pound gorilla of ethnic electoral groups, accounting for over three out of every four votes. The single most useful and understandable birthrate measure is the “total fertility rate.” This estimates, based on recent births, how many children the average woman currently in her childbearing years will have. The National Center for Health Statistics reported that in 2002 the average white woman was giving birth at a pace consistent with having 1.83 babies during her lifetime, or 13 percent below the replacement rate of 2.1 children per woman. This below-replacement level has not changed dramatically in three decades. States, however, differ significantly in white fertility. The most fecund whites are in heavily Mormon Utah, which, not coincidentally, was the only state where Bush received over 70 percent. White women average 2.45 babies in Utah compared to merely 1.11 babies in Washington, D.C., where Bush earned but 9 percent. The three New England states where Bush won less than 40 percent—Massachusetts, Vermont, and Rhode Island—are three of the four states with the lowest white birthrates, with little Rhode Island dipping below 1.5 babies per woman. Bush carried the 19 states with the highest white fertility (just as he did in 2000), and 25 out of the top 26, with highly unionized Michigan being the one blue exception to the rule. (The least prolific red states are West Virginia, North Dakota, and Florida.) In sharp contrast, Kerry won the 16 states at the bottom of the list, with the Democrats’ anchor states of California (1.65) and New York (1.72) having quite infertile whites. Among the 50 states plus Washington, D.C., white total fertility correlates at a remarkably strong 0.86 level with Bush’s percentage of the 2004 vote. (In 2000, the correlation was 0.85.) In the social sciences, a correlation of 0.2 is considered “low,” 0.4 “medium,” and 0.6 “high.” You could predict 74 percent of the variation in Bush’s shares just from knowing each state’s white fertility rate. When the average fertility goes up by a tenth of a child, Bush’s share normally goes up by 4.5 points. In a year of predictably partisan books, one lively surprise has been What’s the Matter with Kansas? by Thomas Frank, a left-wing journalist from Kansas who, after a sojourn in Chicago, now lives with his wife and single child in the Democratic stronghold of Washington, D.C. Frank is puzzled by why conservative Republicans in his home state are obsessed with cultural issues such as abortion, gay marriage, and teaching evolution in the schools instead of the leftist economic populism that Frank admires in Kansas’s past. While the Christian Right in Kansas doesn’t much hold with Darwin, they are doing well at the basic Darwinian task of reproducing themselves: pro-life Kansas has the fourth-highest white fertility in the country at 2.06 babies per woman, and the birthrate of the conservative Republicans that Frank finds so baffling is likely to be even higher. On the crucial question of whether a group can be bothered not to die out, “What’s the Matter with Massachusetts?” would be a more pertinent question. Massachusetts’s whites are failing to replace themselves, averaging only 1.6 babies per woman, and the state’s liberal Democrats are probably reproducing even less than that. So white birthrates and Republican voting are closely correlated, but what causes what? The arrow of causality seems to flow in both directions. To understand what’s driving this huge political phenomenon, you have to think like a real-estate shopper, not like an intellectual. Everybody loves to talk real estate, but the sharp insights into how the world works that you hear while shooting the breeze about houses and neighborhoods seldom work their way into prestigious discourse about public affairs. As you’ve seen on all those red-blue maps, most of America’s land is red, even though Kerry won 48 percent of the vote. Even excluding vast Alaska, Bush’s counties are only one-fourth as densely populated on average as Kerry’s counties. Lower density helps explain why red regions both attract the baby-oriented and encourage larger families among those already there. A dozen years ago, University of Chicago sociologist Edward O. Laumann and others wrote a tome with the soporific postmodern title The Social Organization of Sexuality. I wrote to them and suggested a follow-up called The Sexual Organization of Society because, in my experience with Chicago, where people lived coincided with their sexual status. In 1982, when I moved to Chicago as a young single man, I sought out detailed advice on where the greatest density of pretty girls lived and there rented a 21st-floor apartment with a stunning view of Lake Michigan. I became engaged three years later, and so, mission accomplished, I moved to a less chic neighborhood with more affordable rents. Two years later, when my bride became pregnant, we relocated to an even more unfashionable spot where we could buy ample square footage. (To my satisfaction, Laumann’s team just this year published a categorization of Chicago’s neighborhoods entitled The Sexual Organization of the City.) My experience is hardly unusual. Singles often move to cities because the density of other singles makes them good places to become unsingle. But singles, especially women, generally vote Democratic. For example, in the 2002 midterm elections, only 39 percent of unmarried women and 44 percent of unmarried men voted for a GOP candidate for the House of Representatives. In contrast, 56 percent of married women voted for the GOP, similar to their husbands’ 58 percent. The celebrated gender gap is, in truth, largely a marriage gap among women. When city couples marry, they face major decisions: do they enjoy the adult-oriented cultural amenities of the city so much that they will stick it out, or do they head for the suburbs, exurbs, or even the country to afford more space for a growing family? Couples attempting to raise children in a big blue city quickly learn the truth of what bond trader Sherman McCoy’s father told him in Tom Wolfe’s Bonfire of the Vanities: “If you want to live in New York, you’ve got to insulate, insulate, insulate.” Manhattan liberals all believe in celebrating diversity in theory but typically draw the line at subjecting their own offspring to it in the public schools. With Manhattan private K-12 school tuitions now approaching $25,000, insulating multiple children rapidly becomes too expensive for all but the filthy rich. In tempting contrast, the cost-of-living calculator provided by Realtor.com says that a $100,000 salary in liberal Manhattan buys only as much as a $38,000 salary in conservative Pinehurst, North Carolina. Likewise, a San Francisco couple earning $100,000 between them can afford just as much in Cedar City, Utah if the husband can find a $44,000-a-year job—and then the wife can stay home with their children. Moreover, the culture of Cedar City is more conducive to child rearing than San Francisco. Having insulated themselves through distance rather than money, they can now send their kids to public schools. (Among red states, the South has lower white fertility than the northern Great Plains and Great Basin, perhaps because many Southern conservatives, like many Manhattan liberals, prefer private schools, which makes children more expensive than out in Lewis & Clark Country, where the public schools are popular because they aren’t terribly diverse.) In Cedar City, the wife won’t feel as unprestigious for being a stay-at-home mom as she would in San Francisco. And mom won’t have to chauffeur the kids everywhere because traffic and crime are light enough that they can ride their bikes. With more children, the couple will have less money per child to buy insulation from America’s corrosive media culture, so they are likely to look to the government for help. Typically, red-region parents don’t ask for much, often just for quasi-symbolic endorsements of family values, the non-economic gestures that drive Thomas Frank crazy. But there’s nothing irrational about trying to protect and guide your children. As the socially conservative black comedian Chris Rock advises fathers, “Your main job is to keep your daughter off The Pole” (i.e., to keep her from becoming a stripper). That red-region parents want their politicians to endorse morality does not necessarily mean that red staters always behave more morally than blue staters. While there are well-behaved red states such as Utah and Colorado, hell-raising white Texans are 3.4 times more likely than white New Yorkers to be behind bars. Similarly, whites in conservative Mississippi and South Carolina are one-sixth as likely as blacks in those states to be imprisoned, compared to the national average of one-ninth. By contrast, in ultra-liberal Washington D.C., whites are only one-fifty-sixth as likely to be in the slammer as blacks. The late socialist historian Jim Chapin pointed out that it was perfectly rational for parents with more children than money to ask their political and cultural leaders to help them insulate their kids from bad examples, even, or perhaps especially, if the parents themselves are not perfect role models. Focusing on children, insulation, and population density reveals that blue-region white Democrats’ positions on vouchers, gun control, and environmentalism are motivated partly by fear of urban minorities. In 2001, the Wall Street Journal’s favorite mayor, Brett Schundler, ran for governor of New Jersey on a platform of vouchers to help inner-city children attend better schools in the suburbs. The now notorious Democrat Jim McGreevey beat him badly because white suburban moderates shunned this Republican who put the welfare of urban minority children ahead of their own. These homeowners were scraping together big mortgage payments precisely to get their kids into exclusive suburban school districts insulated from what they saw as the ghetto hellions that Schundler hoped to unleash on their children. They had much of their net worths tied up in their homes, and their property values depended on the local public schools’ high test scores, which they feared wouldn’t survive an onslaught of slum children. So they voted Democratic to keep minorities in their place. The endless gun-control brouhaha, which on the surface appears to be a bitter battle between liberal and conservative whites, also features a cryptic racial angle. What blue-region white liberals actually want is for the government to disarm the dangerous urban minorities that threaten their children’s safety. Red-region white conservatives, insulated by distance from the Crips and the Bloods, don’t care that white liberals’ kids are in peril. Besides, in sparsely populated Republican areas, where police response times are slow and the chances of drilling an innocent bystander are slim, guns make more sense for self-defense than in the cities and suburbs. White liberals, angered by white conservatives’ lack of racial solidarity with them, yet bereft of any vocabulary for expressing such a verboten concept, pretend that they need gun control to protect them from gun-crazy rural rednecks, such as the ones Michael Moore demonized in “Bowling for Columbine,” thus further enraging red-region Republicans. Likewise, liberals in blue areas such as Northern California pioneer environmental restrictions on development in part to keep out illegal immigrants and other poor minorities. Thinly populated Republican areas are pro-development because increasing density raises property values as once remote regions obtain roads, sewer hookups, cable television, local shopping, and nice restaurants. If poorly planned, however, overcrowding causes property values to lag, allowing poor people to move in. Conservative Southern California, home to Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, was traditionally more laissez faire than liberal Northern California, ultimately allowing itself to be inundated by poorly educated illegal aliens, wrecking the public schools. In contrast, environmentalist—and thus expensive—Northern California attracted a variety of skilled immigrants. Eventually, many Los Angeles Republicans either fled inland or decided that those San Francisco Democrats had the right idea all along. Now illegal immigrants are flocking to other pro-growth red states, such as North Carolina and Georgia, and may eventually turn those states Democratic due both to the Democratic-voting immigrants’ very high birthrates and to a California-style drift toward environmentalism among its white voters as laissez faire proves inadequate to keep out illegal aliens. Nobody noticed that the famous blue-red gap was a white baby gap because the subject of white fertility is considered disreputable. But I believe the truth is better for us than ignorance, lies, or wishful thinking. At least, it’s certainly more interesting. _________________________________________________________ Steve Sailer is TAC’s film critic. He also writes for VDARE.com and iSteve.com.
Posted by: rajesh_g Dec 27 2004, 05:04 PM
xpost.. http://www.hindu.com/2004/12/27/stories/2004122703720400.htm
Posted by: G.Subramaniam Jan 1 2005, 01:38 PM
Demographic de-xtianisation of Goa -------- In 1911, Goa was 55% xtian In 1991, Goa was 30% xtian We have a BJP CM in Goa now So what happened Did the hindus do large scale Gujurat type riots - Heck No Did the hindus of Goa do large scale Shuddi as recommended by many on this forum - Heck No Starting in 1911, the Goan Xtians caught the western xtian disease of too much women's lib, too much careerisation of women and so on and cut back on fertility Meanwhile the more traditional hindus breeded their way to victory The Goan inquisition undone by the women's lib and careerisation of Goan xtian women
Posted by: vishwas Jan 1 2005, 06:46 PM
Agreed. The Overpopualtion problem is to a great extent a myth. Here is a link that suggests that population growth does not slow the pace of human progress. http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/population.html BTW, the writer is John McCarthy, the father of Lisp, the AI programming language. Also, here is a link from a free-market web site which makes a similar point: http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?Id=1675 Infact, in the sort of society that is India, having atleast 3 children is desirable. The parents tend to live, on average, in a much more stress-free environment in their old age.
Posted by: vishwas Jan 1 2005, 07:38 PM
Actually, the more I think about families having atleast 3 children (4 is probably the ideal number), the better I like it. From among families I know, I have found that families with 3-4 children seem to be able to handle family crises much better. I mean, crises like death or hospitalization of a loved one, or sudden unemployment. In fact, having a family (with 3-4 children) like this among your relatives, is usually the best way to get help. Such a family can put "feet on the ground" quicky and come to one's aid, whether there is a death or a marriage in the household. I understand that a big family requries a big initial investment in education and children's health care, as well as food, clothing and shelter. But, the benefits of having a big family become more apparent as the children grow older. It is important to have a long-term view of why this investment is important and necessary. The children tend to form a micro-community that informs youngsters of values and priorities. This is not a function that is usually performed in Indian society by anyone else. Remember, Hindus don't have pastors making sermons. In a very important sense, our family is the community writ small. Where there exist no family to speak of (no older siblings, or sometimes, even older cousins), there is no cohesive value system that the younger generation can be informed about.
Posted by: vishwas Jan 4 2005, 01:07 AM
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