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  Indian Movies Thread II
Posted by: Krishna Dec 24 2003, 01:04 PM
Post away! Old thread in the trash can. &
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla Dec 24 2003, 06:40 PM
Just finished watching movie and a must see for people who like thriller with twists and turns.
Posted by: Krishna Dec 25 2003, 09:46 AM
On my way to see LOC........... c-ya'll later! biggrin.gif
Posted by: Viren Dec 25 2003, 10:54 AM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Dec 25 2003, 12:46 PM)
On my way to see LOC...........
You lucky rest of us are stuck watching 24 hour marathon of A Christmas Story on TNT blink.gif
Posted by: vishal Dec 25 2003, 12:09 PM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Dec 25 2003, 10:16 PM)
On my way to see LOC........... c-ya'll later! biggrin.gif
ohmy.gif come back soon and tell me how it was. i am stuck in home. sad.gif someone throw AK-47 at meeeeeeee furious.gif
Posted by: Mudy Dec 25 2003, 12:09 PM
Oh I am watching Sapranos, just completed first season. LOC- I will wait for DVD. I don't want to add revenue to Paki owned theatre.
Posted by: muddur Dec 25 2003, 06:48 PM
Krishna, I will wait for your review. BTW, I don't watch movies at this Paki owned naz cinema (self imposed ban) .... I will have to wait for the DVD or the casette ...
Posted by: muddur Dec 25 2003, 06:56 PM
More on LOC .... Why we can never forget Kargil
Posted by: Nalwa Dec 25 2003, 06:56 PM
Saw LOC. Here is a brief synopsis. Good movie, with authentic feel of the Army. The firepower shown is great, and the action is amazing in parts. Many key battles and regiments/battallions are shown. The liberal use of madar-ch**ods and bhaincho#*s while addressing the Puki's is beeped out - by the censors. I wish they had not tongue.gif I think JP Dutta would have been better of by focussing on one battailion, and 1 or 2 key battles - rather than attempting to chronocile several key battles. This leaves little room for developing cinematic content and emoting . Of the actors Ajay Devgan, Saif , Manoj Bajpai and Ashutosh Rana do well. Sunjay Dutt and Raj Babbar are poor. Others are OK. All in all a must see for all lovers of India, war movies and the mighty Indian Army. Seeing this movie underlines why Sunny Deol is India's best actor when it comes to War movies, or anti-Pukistan passion/fury. None can match him . and he is sorely missed
Posted by: muddur Dec 25 2003, 07:02 PM
Indian war movie without Sunny is like a summer day with no Sun outside. smile.gif After seeing Zameen, I expect Ajay Devgan to fill in some gap. Hope he doesn't dissapoint.
Posted by: Krishna Dec 25 2003, 09:41 PM
My take on LOC - Kargil: First of all, Let me get one of the most imp. question out of my way. Does JP Dutta succeed in making a great war-film in the form of LOC?? My answer: Only two words, You bet! Now about the movie itself: Positives:
  • JP Dutta did his homework right. Great attention to details, well-researched, well-made movie. Dutta pour his heart out in this one. The chronological order in which the battles were fought were followed to the every possible details. Same goes for the characters of all the soldiers.
  • Keeping the original names of the soldiers gives the movie a/an real / emotional touch. Dutta immortalised these great men, forever.
  • The emotions / sacrfices / sufferings of the family members / wives / GFs of the soldiers were as real as it can get. You do not feel you are not a part of the family. It seems as if you are sending your own brother / son / hubby to the front.
  • The depiction of the actual fighting: Only one word: Awesome.
Now the Negetives:
  • IAF was involved bigtime in the Kargil War. Even though IAF wasn't in the picture initially, it got involved, later, in the same way as artillery / Bofors guns were involved. There is a glimpse of a Jag getting readied for a sortie, but that's about it. I was looking forward to IAF's role in THIS MOVIE. But I guess Agnee Pankh is probably being made to show IAF's part.....and keep the focus seperate.
  • At the beginning a good 10/15 mins should have been spent to show the cunningness of the General / Army across the border. A glimpse of Musharraf discussing Kargil with his Commanders while ABVji was in lahore would have been nice.
  • At the end, a good 5/10 mins to show the awarding ceremony, with B&W footage of the actual battles at the top right corner - In a split screen format, could have had a long lasting effect.
  • The length of the movie. Even though I don't mind it, I think it slowed down the movie towards the second half a bit. The song Pyar Bhara Geet...... in the latter part could have been done away with.
Now about some of the characters I would not do a p-sec type act here, and say it out the way I see it. Ajay Devgan, Abhishek, Saif Ali Khan, Manoj Bajpai (In order of their performances) are the guys who shines. Akshay Khanna, Sunil Shetty, Puru Raaj Kumar, Ashutosh Rana, Sanjay Kapoor, Himanshu Malik, Amar Upadhyaya are pretty good (in the above order.) Sanjay Dutt (Lt. Col. Y.K. Joshi) doesn't get much scope. He was Ok, but more was expected from him. While he was addressing his soldiers, for the final battle there was only one character coming in my mind Sunny Paaji from Border. But I think Lt. Col. Y.K. Joshi's character was much different from Major Kuldeep Singh's so I would give Dutt some leeway on that one. Now something for our friends across the Border: LOC is no way an anti-pak flick as it was made out to be. Yes, it is a very very Pro-Indian movie but the last time I checked some dictionary Pro-India doesn't necessarily translate into anti-paki. Some of the scenes pakis would like, in this movie:
  • When Dutt orders one of his men to quit kicking one of the dead pakis, as he's also a soldier of his country and we should not disrespect them.
  • When Dutt orders a bunch of his men (chasing a bunch of paki soldiers running away across) not to cross the LOC (as per instructions from Higher-ups) to kill them.......thus saving their lives.
  • When Akshaye Khanna informs his C.O. about the victory on Tiger Hills he mentions how bravely the pakis fought.
  • When one of the COs ( I don't remember who it was) orders his men to give proper burials to paki soldiers with full honor.
In conclusion: Overall a great movie. A true tribute to our Heros, a must-see for all Indians anywhere in the world. I specifically say all Indians as we all should know what these great men sacrificed to protect our motherland. I'll rate this movie a 8½/10. ½ points deducted for each of the 3 negetives. The last one, I'll let it of the hook as it's understandable why it's so long. If someone goes and shoots the censor board folks, I would be the last one to complain. These mofos had the guts to force a Director to mute some of the most important words in the movie?? Those aren't mere curse words but great energiser / moral-booster when someone's standing in front of death. BTW: Comparison of LOC with Border is inevitable, however, please do keep in mind that both these movies show 2 different wars. One fought 38 years ago, and another just 4 years back. One fought in the desert, and the other at one of the highest battle-fields in the world, under different terrain and circumstances.
Posted by: muddur Dec 25 2003, 11:51 PM
Krishna, that is one hell of a review. I feel like going to the movie theatre now, but I can't since the movie theatre in my place is a Paki owned. I look forward to seeing the movie myself on DVD or video Casette and I will post my comments.
Posted by: Krishna Dec 26 2003, 12:12 AM
Thanks Muddur. And I admire your self-restrain on visting theatres owned by TSPians. It's unfortunate that Loews Cineplax / IMAX aren't showing this movie in the Bay Area. Considering the number of Indians in that neighborhood it would have been on my Hit-List had I been the CEO of Loews theatres. Anyway, had it not been a Loews theatre I would have given a paki-owned theatre the finger too!
Posted by: Mudy Dec 26 2003, 09:29 AM
muddur, Is IMC 6, San Jose is also owned by Paki? They are showing LOC. As usual HT came with negative review.,001100030009.htm
Posted by: rhytha Dec 26 2003, 10:02 AM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Dec 26 2003, 09:59 PM)
muddur, Is IMC 6, San Jose is also owned by Paki? They are showing LOC. As usual HT came with negative review.,001100030009.htm
i think u guys have add theatres to john's website.
Posted by: muddur Dec 26 2003, 10:34 AM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Dec 26 2003, 09:59 PM)
muddur, Is IMC 6, San Jose is also owned by Paki? They are showing LOC. As usual HT came with negative review.,001100030009.htm
Sunnyvale theaters, I heard was owned by a Indian (possibly Tamil). I'm not sre though. But it is too far for me!
Posted by: muddur Dec 26 2003, 10:42 AM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Dec 26 2003, 09:59 PM)
As usual HT came with negative review.,001100030009.htm
Everyone knows about the heroes of the Kargil War. This was the first time that Indo-Pak conflict came into our drawing rooms, the first time that this generation was witness to loss of so many lives, the first time that each time a coffin brought home a hero - people mourned like he was one of their own. This was about us and we knew about Kargil and Capt Vikram Batra, Capt Anuj Nayyar, Lt. Vijayant Thapar. Major Padmapani Acharya, Major Rajesh Adhikari and scores of others who met the same fate.
From the HT article, the bold part. How many stories did HT publish on these martyrs ? WHY do the come to the conclusion that EVERYONE knows about the heroes of KARGIL War?
Unfortunately, J P in his desire to create a multi-starrer forgot that he didn't need to put together heroes from reel life - that Col. Vishwanathan, Lt. Col. Y.K. Joshi and Rifleman Sanjay Kumar were heroes in real life and their stories didn't need external support (in the form of Sanjay Dutts, Abhishek Bachchans, Saif Ali Khans, Manoj Bajpai and Ajay Devgans among lots of others) to bring in the crowds.
WHY do they think that making of Saleem Anarkali was essential and LOC not ? Was the star cast essential to draw people ?
Much like the war that could have been fought and won in seven days flat (but took 80 days instead) had our soldiers crossed the LOC, JP's film of the same name could have been shorter too - for greater imapct. But in the former case the restraint and the length paid off. In this case, it most likely won't.
HT knows conducting war better than the GOI and the Indian armed forces, and they forget the Paki nukes and its thresh hold. HT is a actually a PT with complete nonsense, stuffed within.
Posted by: Sunder Dec 26 2003, 12:03 PM Once in a blue moon, maybe longer, there comes along a film that has the inner strength and conviction and the power to change our lives. "LOC" is one such rarity. It isn't a smooth-sailing feel good film with captivating romance, humour and songs like "Kal Ho Naa Ho" or "Munnabhai MBBS". Nor is it a self-consciously told slice of reality. The story of what happened to our soldiers in Kargil, when they combated Pakistani invaders and pushed them back with superhuman force, could cover at least seven or eight major motion pictures. They never will. Hindi cinema shies away from history. J.P. Dutta can stare historical facts straight into the eye. clap.gif Just like those Pakistani bullets, which hit Indian soldiers straight in their eyes, Dutta's film is a sharp-shooting piece of art. A tale of inhuman resilience with a cast of characters that would make Cecil B. DeMille throw his hands up in the air, "LOC" is quite simply the finest war epic ever produced in India. The stunning visual aesthetics of war's gruesome repercussions, the forbidding hinterland where some of our most charismatic stars transform into those real-life soldiers who fought to their death, and the sheer strength of Dutta's narrative temperament sweep us into a world where we've never been before. And probably never will again. In terms of the panoramic sweep in the battle zone, and the sheer volume of aggression achieved in the frames, "LOC" is comparable with the best war epics from the west -- from David Lean's "The Bridge On The River Kwai" to Steven Spielberg's "Saving Private Ryan". Cynical sections of cineasts believe Bollywood has neither the talent nor the staying power to equal the technical excellence of Hollywood. Here's ample evidence to the contrary. The battle scenes are shot with an epic sublimity and an electric immediacy. When the soldiers run down those impossible heights, charging against the unseen enemy, we feel their patriotic energy and their sheer survival instinct run down our spine. The film lodges itself in an infallible place in our hearts. The mammoth mastery of Karim Khatri's cinematography gallops across the lengthy narrative, tearing through every frame with splendour. To be sure, this is one of the best mounted, photographed and edited films in living memory. Unlike well-known war films from Hollywood, which look at the battleground completely from the male point of view, J.P. Dutta infuses an intimate poignancy into the rugged soldiers' tale. As in his (inferior-in-every-detail) "Border", the battle-weary soldier-heroes stop long enough to rejuvenate themselves with thoughts of their loved ones. The vast cast of female stars swish across the film in fleeting frames... almost like scenes glimpsed from a speeding train. Only Kareena Kapoor as Saif Ali Khan's (playing Captain Anuj Nayyar) Significant Other manages to make a significant space for herself. Her disbelieving self-denial at the end when her lover's coffin is brought home is one of the many everlasting moments from this passionate pastiche of tragic patriotism. For all practical purposes, "LOC" is the boys' film. (Not surprising that the HT reviewer is Manjula - not a mard, a namard.) Dutta has extracted astoundingly credible performance from all the actors, big and small. From Sanjay Dutt as Colonel Y.K. Joe to Bikram Saluja as one of the soldiers in Dutt's regiment, every actor slips into his role with consummate skill. More for the way their roles are etched into the freewheeling but never unwieldy screenplay, Ajay Devgan, Saif Ali Khan, Ashutosh Rana and Akshaye Khanna make a larger impression than the others. Abhishek Bachchan's death scene after he strikes his enemies with the words, "from Madhuri, with love" (immediately after he's challenged by a Pakistani soldier to send Madhuri Dixit across to Pakistan) is a moment of great cinema. Hold it close to your heart. Cinema doesn't get any purer -- or more powerful -- than this. With each soldier's death, we the audience die a thousand deaths. The film's pain-lashed and choleric recreation of history assumes a bludgeoning impact in the hands of the master creator. The guns are real. And so are the tears that the soldiers and their wives shed each time a colleague dies. We're apart from and yet a part of the processes of history that drive two countries into postures of mutual mutilation. Through the bullets and smoking guns, Dutta succeeds in creating a sense of regret and tragedy about the invaluable losses that we suffer in our quest for supremacy. A great deal of the belligerent poignancy achieved in the narration comes through in Dutta's explosive yet thought provoking dialogues (though every soldier translating his English utterances into Hindi does seem odd) and Aadesh Shrivastava's evocative and understated background score (comparable with Maurice Jarre's background scores for David Lean's cinema). Anu Malik's songs are achingly sweet, like a moaning melody heard during a dirge. In communicating a crisp contemporariness to recent history and in supervising the gigantic canvas without losing even the smallest tendrils in the narrative (even 'soldier' Himanshu Malik leaves an impression in one-and-a-half scenes), J.P Dutta proves himself the lord of the ranks. His visual propriety compounded by a concern for high aesthetics makes him one of the most significant modern voices in today's mainstream cinema. "LOC" must be seen by every Indian, every fan of war epics and relevant cinema. It must be seen for its extraordinary war scenes and for its emphatic portrayal of the ravages of human aggression. Finally, it must be watched to see how our stars transform themselves given the right opportunity.
Posted by: kautilaya Dec 26 2003, 05:55 PM
all of my friends who saw it say it is an awesome movie, but they saia that they missed Sunny --punjab the puttar which would have made the movie even better.
Posted by: Nalwa Dec 26 2003, 07:34 PM
It is not that Sunny is Punjab da Sher that he is missed. Afterall even Sunjay Dutt and Akshay Khanna (and fricking 90% of all bollywood MALE stars) are Punjabi!! it is becos he brings a UNIQUE raw energy, raw passion to his anger while mouthing anti-jehadi scum dialogue. Its almost like he is an anti-jehadi like us!! To wit, even an average kind of movie like Indian, had its magical moment when Sunny RANTS at the main Puki Jehadi, eyes flashing fire - before using his 18 inch pythons and big fists to beat him to a pulp clap.gif Like wise in Border, the "abusing match" between Sunny and the Puki tank commander is just awesome because Sunny's anger shines thru thumbup.gif I agree with Krishna's excellent review - substantially. I still maintain that if JP had stuck to 1 battallion, and 2 main battles, he would have had a more coherent cinematic exposition. He would have been able to etch more complete characters, developed their story better - and finished the movie in 3 hours. Finally if he had done this, he might have had a chance to hire Sunny to play a lead role - which would just have burnt the jhaant's of the Paakis (all the Pakis I have ever spoken to HATE Sunny D) pakee.gif
Posted by: Krishna Dec 26 2003, 10:46 PM
Censor Board at it again! furious.gif Interview: Furious Adeep Singh spits fire! By Vickey Lalwani ©2003 If you are one of those who thinks that censorship in India is applied uniformly and non-partially on all films, this one is for you. You can only expect a filmmaker to be heartbroken when he has been given 40 cuts to his film by the Censor Board. This is the tale of first time director and producer Adeep Singh, ex-assisatant to Vidhu Vinod Chopra and Mansoor Khan. His 2-crore film 'Adharm' (in the making since 2000) was denied the censor certificate 4 times! "I had anticipated objection and I was game to implementing few cuts. But initially, the Censors refused to give me any cuts. They wanted me to revise the film on my own! Shockingly, their objections were quite stupid. Surely, I didn't even dream that they would take objections on 40 points. It was only at the fifth trial that they told me about the 40 objections, they wanted 33 sound cuts and 7 visual cuts. On top of that, they have certified it 'A'." Singh's flick is based on the ever-controversial subject of Hindu-Muslim, India-Pakistan conflict. He informs that including Pakistan, Muslim, M F Husain, Wankhede, among many others, have been muted from full sentences. "As a result, when the film releases you will hear dialogues like '_ _ ______ ne Saraswati ki nangi tasveer utari.' Or 'Jab dekho ______ se sadak tak namaz padhte hai. One guy tells another that they are playing Maulana Azadf college which is tantamount to India playing Pakistan. I only wanted to express that the match had to be played to the fullest potential and highest competitiveness. Failing to understand this perspective, the Censors said that since the colleges playing the match had been shown in Mumbai, there was no need for me to even mention Pakistan," he informs dejectedly. Could he elaborate? Singh says, "The film is set in Mumbai and showcases a Maharashtrian, Hindu fundamentalist called Dadasaheb Kulkarni (played by Sayaji Shinde) who belongs to the political party called Bhartiya Hindu Sangh (the board has got rid of this name from the film as well). He bears no resemblance to any politician or party. Yet they have drawn comparisons and said that it will cause trouble. What weight do assumptions have? Believe me, there is a great message at every stage of the film. That, every religion preaches peace." More dope on the film? Says Singh, "Kuldeep (Rahul Dev) and his younger brother Jaideep (Rocky Khanna) migrate to the metropolis following the killing of their Sikh parents. Only the starting point of the film, Singh says, is taken from a real-life incident. Apparently, he is referring to the massacre of 37 Sikhs in Chattisinghpora, in Jammu and Kashmir on March 20, 2000, by terrorists. Of all places, the two brothers settle in Mumbai's Maharashtrian locality, Lalbaug. Here, the politician Kulkarni finds in Kuldeep a tool for his political games centred around Hindutva. He brainwashes the Sikh boy into killing a Muslim, who then lands in jail. In there, and on reading the sacred texts of all religions, he realises that he has been used by Kulkarni. But then, it's too late. His brother has also been brainwashed by now." Explaining his film, Singh says: "My message in this film is that everyone should love their country. The film is against such Indians who celebrate India's loss to Pakistan in a cricket match. And against those politicians who exploit the young by brainwashing them against other religions." He adds, "The audience is mature enough to get the message. The Censor Board, however, needs to change its laws. They have killed my film. How can a four-member jury decide what the rest of India is ready to watch? How are the Censor guys selected? What are their qualifications? Are they cinema literate? Have they done even a small workshop on films or filmmaking? I distinctly remember Censor guys walking out to the loo and loitering about outside, when the film was being actually screened inside. Why don't the film screenings for the Censors have an interval? And pray, how can I forget that lady from the Censor Committee who was talking on her mobile for half-an-hour?" "I have no choice but to compromise," he says in absolute despair. The film also features Namrata Shirodkar, Sayaji Shinde, Sonali Kulkarni and Seema Biswas. Singh has assisted directors Ketan Mehta and John Matthew Mathan prior to making Adharm. But he is nervous. "Anybody who sees the film will say that I have not done my job properly. Imagine 40 jerks! I might not get sufficient films in future. Who knows how producers will see it? Besides, the film got consequently delayed by nearly 7 months." What next? "My next directorial venture will be a musical thriller titled 'Gaffil' directed by newcomer Malik Maredia (M & M Productions). I have Rahul Dev in mind for one of the roles. Also, I am doing an English film 'A Positive Man' based on the true life on an AIDS activist from India. The protagonist has to lose 30 kg during the making of this one. It's not easy to find the actor who would play this role. The film traces the entire weight-loss transition," he divulges. Arvind Trivedi was heading the Censor Board when Singh's films got embroiled in problems. The new Censor Chief Anupam Kher brings with him the experience and exposure of contemporary cinema all over the world, we say. If anybody is qualified to bring about a critical change, many people expect it will be Kher. But Singh almost writes off Kher initially, "It has been an old practice that the Censor Chief does not come for the screening," he says, but recovers to add, "I will be grateful to him if he does something good by changing the laws and bringing in some right people into the committee." Have you tuned in, Kher? Source:
Posted by: kautilaya Dec 26 2003, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (Nalwa @ Dec 27 2003, 08:04 AM)
Finally if he had done this, he might have had a chance to hire Sunny to play a lead role - which would just have burnt the jhaant's of the Paakis
you put it so nicely ROTFL.gif clap.gif ROTFL.gif
Posted by: Mudy Dec 27 2003, 03:12 PM
Vajpayee's eyes moisten on seeing 'LOC: Kargil' View the 2003 Entertainment Retrospective New Delhi: Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani and other Cabinet members watched the year's biggest Bollywood venture 'LOC-Kargil' at a special screening as the J P Dutta directed multi-starrer opened to a thunderous response all over the India. A special screening of the over four-hour long film was organised for Vajpayee at his 7, Race Course residence yesterday and the Prime Minister was so moved by the film that his eyes were moist during a number of sequences. Film's lyricist Javed Akhtar, who was present during the special screening, said Vajpayee was visibly impressed by the presentation of the acts of Kargil war heroes in the film, starring about 40 top names of Bollywood including Sanjay Dutt, Ajay Devgan, Manoj Bajpai, Saif Ali Khan, Abhishek Bachchan, Akshaye Khanna, Ashutosh Rana, Raj Babbar, Sunil Shetty, Sanjay Kapoor, Kareena Kapoor, Rani Mukherjee, Raveena Tandon, Isha Kopikar and Preeti Jhangiani. Another special screening organised at the Films Division auditorium was watched by the Deputy Prime Minister and other Cabinet members today. Director J P Dutta, his father and dialogue writer O P Dutta, music director Anu Malik, singer Sonu Nigam and a large number of actors were present during the screening. Besides, a charity premiere in the honour of the Kargil martyrs was organised at Priya cinema hall in the capital which was attended by the entire star cast and crew of the film. Answering questions about the inordinately long film, Dutta told a press conference this afternoon that it was impossible to cover the entire spectrum of the Kargil war within three hours. "In fact I was short of about one and a half hours to cover the deeds of the other five battalions. I could portray the bravery of only five of the ten battalions which fought 'Operation Vijay' in 1999." Dutta did not share the view that the huge star cast reduced the intensity of the subject. "Considering that the scope of a war film is huge, I would have had about 200 actors to cover the deeds of 10 battalions. The starcast of 40 was much less. Because I was making a film and not a tele serial, I had to limit a lot of things," he added. Asked if the timing of the film was wrong considering that the relations between India and Pakistan were moving towards improvement[moron always remain moron- DDM at its best], the Director shot back, "Just because the relations are improving, should we forget the war heroes who laid down their lives to ensure our safety?" He cited the instances of the European film industries which give their war heroes their due by highlighting their acts. "If a film could be made in the United States justifying the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, what is wrong in making a film on Kargil in India. We haven't attacked any body or did any thing unjustified. We have been attacked and just want to highlight the contribution of these heroes." Dutta said when the Prime Minister went to Lahore to talk peace with the then Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif what was happening behind the scenes was not befitting. "If Kargil could be planned at that time, we should not be complacent now. We should not forget history. Why should we feel shy to talk about Kargil and the army? The Kargil war affected me personally. The sight of the coffins of the Army personnel should remind us of the sacrifice they make to ensure our safety," he said. "We must respect our heroes and this should not depend on the prevailing scenario between India and Pakistan. We should not be insensitive towards our soldiers. LOC-Kargil is our attempt to pay tribute to the martyrs of Operation Vijay," he pointed out. thumbup.gif Preeti Jhangiani and Isha Kopikar disclosed that they decided to do the film despite being offered short roles because of their desire to be associated with the J P Dutta film. Playback singer Sonu Nigam, who shot to fame with J P Dutta's earlier blockbuster "Border', and Anu Malik felt that the music of LOC-Kargil was better than the previous Dutta films.
Posted by: muddur Dec 28 2003, 03:46 AM
Asked if the timing of the film was wrong considering that the relations between India and Pakistan were moving towards improvement thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif Obviously he is a moron, as rightly pointed out. One should ask the same journalist / animal (IMO, they are not human beings) as to what is the right time to remember and give respect to his dead mother. BA$$$^@!%^%#!#&^s. should be Flush.gif (Sorry for the harsh words, but these scums deserve woerse than this, yet they don't realise anything for better) No nations waits for the correct timings to pay tributes to the war heroes, who paid the highest price for our safety by giving their life. I don't know where and how our journalists gets educated from. They neither have ethics nor the pride of being Indians. Even when the relationships between Germany and US are at their best in recent times, the US / UK media still showed the evil HITLER and the Germans accepted the facts. Similarly even if Pakistan becomes part of United India, the miserable acts of these miserable creatures should be shown in public and those acts should be condemned by all. Most Indians have very LOW memory retentivity and they never learn a lesson out of anything, especially the DDM guys. furious.gif
Posted by: vishal Dec 28 2003, 03:58 AM
anyone have links for songs in LOC? biggrin.gif
Posted by: Viren Dec 29 2003, 08:57 AM
It's time of the year where we list Best 10 of year 2003 or Worst 10 of 2003 here it goes: If there's a Worst 10 flicks of 2003 list being compiled somewhere - my vote goes to BOOM - watched it against a better advice from a friend just because it had Amitabh in it Flush.gif
Posted by: Viren Dec 29 2003, 10:37 AM (though I don't think this list is complete)
Posted by: udayan Dec 29 2003, 11:37 AM
QUOTE (vishal @ Dec 28 2003, 04:28 PM)
anyone have links for songs in LOC? biggrin.gif Here you go. Enjoy Sonu, Shreya, Alka and many more singing their hearts out.
Posted by: Krishna Dec 29 2003, 12:15 PM
QUOTE (Viren @ Dec 29 2003, 09:57 AM)
...........BOOM - watched it against a better advice from a friend just because it had Amitabh in it Flush.gif
I watched it only for Katrina Kaif & Padma Laxmi! Bahoot kamina hoon main! biggrin.gif laugh.gif devilsmiley.gif
Posted by: muddur Dec 29 2003, 12:19 PM
I saw Tehajeeb recently. A nice movie well directed one. I can recommend everyone seeing the movie once. It is good. It appears that Urmila and Shabana are playing their roles again as daughter and mom after their first one a hit movie called 'Masoom'. All the actors the hero(Arjun Rampal), heroine (Urmila) and the Mom(Shabana) and Dad (Rishi kapoor) all have done thrir roles pretty much good. The story is also good with surprise twists and turns. I will not tell the story for the sake of maintaining the surprises, for those who like them while watching the movies. But I do have problems with the sensor board or I don't understand if they are paid to allow the promotion of smoking and drinking alcohol in using the movie media. For example in this movie, the Hero who is all but a good husband does smoke. But when asked about his smoking habits, his justification is "Well nobody is perfect!" I mean the movie industry should not be teaching the young generation about how to justify smoking and drinking alcohol. Smart dialogs like these are on the increase in the Bollywood movies. I can only feel the Pakistani drug culture invading here. This is wrong and the movie makers should stay away from such things ore atleast the censor board should be smart enough about these things and should catch them early and deny U certificate and give the movie 'A' certificate to the movies with such useless dialogs.
Posted by: rhytha Dec 29 2003, 12:20 PM
my take on good movies of the year 2003 kaakka kaakka (watched) pithamagan(no) kathal kondain(watched half) thiruda thirudi(watched half) can't think of anything else right now graduated.gif
Posted by: muddur Dec 29 2003, 12:24 PM
I am a big fan of Lamboo, but I would advise that for doing "boom", any one of the film fare award that has been given to the Lamboo be taken back. I could not watch the movie more than the first 15 minutes. Utter rubbish. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif That one movie should be Flush.gif out from A's movie list.
Posted by: Viren Dec 29 2003, 12:35 PM
Heard from a friend in India that "Munna bhai MBBS" is a comedy riot - anyone?
Posted by: Krishna Dec 29 2003, 12:36 PM
QUOTE (Viren @ Dec 29 2003, 01:35 PM)
Heard from a friend in India that "Munna bhai MBBS" is a comedy riot - anyone?
Hopefully gonna get a chance to watch this weekend! It should go on to become one of the biggest surprise Hits of the year!
Posted by: Mudy Dec 29 2003, 12:39 PM
"Munna bhai MBBS" recommened by my brother. I will keep my resolution of 2003, not to watch Bollywood movie in 2003. LOC DVD will arrive in 2 weeks so may watch LOC.
Posted by: Gill Dec 29 2003, 01:11 PM
Had the oppurtunity to see LOC in New York, Bombay theater [owned by Bangladeshi friend of mine] on Friday 26, 2003 2130 hrs EST. I am so proud and thankful to JP Dutta, he did not forget LATE LT. SAURAB KALIA and his men. The movie begins by paying tribute to these men. As for the movie, one of the best action sequences I have seen since BlackHawak Down. JP Dutta stuck with reality as to the conflict, by showing small bunkers manned by few Pakis on hills etc. The negative aspect was not showing much actions taken by enemy. For example, he showed Pakis firing illum rounds to see Jawans at night, Pakis had night visions. There was no planning or anything shown by Pakis knowing their death awaits them just few yards away. Anyway, I though I would be yelling and screaming during the movie, but just imagining the real heros and what they had gone through, made me emotional as I sat and absorbed. A must see. Jai Bharat tomcat.gif
Posted by: vishal Dec 29 2003, 01:20 PM
muddur, problem with smoking,drinking are not sourced from bollywood.i think bollywood i taking inspiration from hollywood now.u see lot of skin,nri type films,foreign location,bloody fool love-mohabbat films. realistic movies are absent! i found no movie about any social matter.Bollywood people keep giving suggestion to our netas but what bollywood is teaching and showing to people? it seems they have lost good film makers thats why importing everything from hollywood. Recently there was conference about how quality of bollywood movies can be ELEVATED to hollywood LEVEL! i mean WTF?! bollywood movies....specially old ones have better subject than hollywood what they want to mix? amd more lust? old bollywood was far more better than todays. blink.gif
Posted by: muddur Dec 30 2003, 11:53 AM
But Vishal, We have our sensor board, which is indeepndent to cut these scenes. I wish they do their job neatly, no mater where the bollywood gets inspiration from.
Posted by: muddur Dec 30 2003, 07:27 PM
I watched this movie yesterday.... Those who like Paki baching should watch this movie as well.. smile.gif 'Dil Pardesi Ho Gayaa'
Posted by: Krishna Dec 30 2003, 07:32 PM
Muddur, I saw it a couple of weeks back........forgot all about it to post it here. I liked the movie but found the ending too p-sec thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif They should had the paki Brigadier inform our Major Ram who in turn could have order 555 to launch a few Prithivis right at the time 'the nikah' was goin' on. biggrin.gif Some Air support from MKIs would have been nice too! thumbup.gif
Posted by: muddur Dec 30 2003, 07:35 PM
I watched the new movie '3 Deewarein ' It is different, well directed with surprises and twists. Naseeruddin Shah and Juhi comes out very good in acting.
Posted by: muddur Dec 30 2003, 07:37 PM
Krishna, I didn't like the ending either, the dierctor could have tried hard to save the bride-grooms. But Paki bashing was good, something I felt, was with much more daring dialogues. For example the way the Mujahiddeeni pigs identify the boy as a Muslim.
Posted by: Krishna Dec 30 2003, 10:36 PM
Folks, Someone's reading IF/BR! ´Mogambo ´ Amrish Puri Becomes ´ Shriman Chanakya ´ Amrish Puri who like the late Amjad Khan´s ´Gabbar Singh´ can boast of giving Bollywood , the legendary villain´Mogambo´ in Shekhar Kapoor´s , Mr. India Now we will see Amrish Puri in Robin Ghai´s recently announced period venture , ´Shriman Chanakya´ , playing the title role. The film has been written by Anwar Khan and will be directed by Sikander Bharti .
Posted by: SSRamachandran Dec 31 2003, 01:39 PM
I watched the LOC kargil here in San Antonio yesterday. With extreme respect to our men and wemen , I would like to say that the movie was abig let down. What is the deal with those out of place lengthy songs ?!!! furious.gif . That just spoiled the momentum of the movie. Also the constant theme of the soldiers missing their wemen , was taking away time from telling the events. Just once or twice would have been enough. I would have also liked to see some captured Pukei charecters. It is not every day that the Indian Army helps some one make a movie , I thought that the director did not take full advantage of it . What did you all think ?
Posted by: Krishna Dec 31 2003, 02:02 PM
QUOTE (SSRamachandran @ Dec 31 2003, 02:39 PM)
I would have also liked to see some captured Pukei charecters.
SSR, During Kargil-War IA wasn't taking any prisoners. It was basically 'Shoot-to-kill.' From that POV Dutta did fairly well in LOC. Even though LOC had a few minor errors, I must says I still admire Dutta's gutts. At least we have one man here who can say this is how it went down.........Take it or leave it..........unlike some Super-hit makers who know only one to rip off NRIs.
Posted by: SSRamachandran Dec 31 2003, 02:17 PM
I could not agree with you more...Atleast this guy had the guts to do a movie like this But I thought without the songs , the movie would have been more intense . It was very moving to see the soldier with the wireless set on his back lying face down in the snow. It is more a constructive criticisim than any thing. I saw a VCD called KARGIL made by Kaleidondia , and they interviewed some captured Pukes. There was a Tamil move called "kurudhi Punal" (Blood spring) made by Kamal Hassan and Arjun. It was Intense.
Posted by: Krishna Dec 31 2003, 02:20 PM
QUOTE (SSRamachandran @ Dec 31 2003, 03:17 PM)
There was a Tamil move called "kurudhi Punal" (Blood spring) made by Kamal Hassan and Arjun. It was Intense.
Is it about the Kargil war?? blink.gif (I just wanna see it if it is!)
Posted by: SSRamachandran Dec 31 2003, 03:11 PM
Yes It is about kargil . Check this link out
Posted by: SSRamachandran Dec 31 2003, 03:29 PM
No ...Kurudhi Punal was not about kargil . It was about PWG in Andhra
Posted by: muddur Dec 31 2003, 06:42 PM
I think Bollywood has a long way to cover to produce any movies with no songs. The reason is that most movie makers generate more than 50 % of the movie's revenue by selling the audio tracks. But I agree that most movies will look better with no songs. The recent release of '3 Deewarein' is a good example of making movies with no songs. But anyway at the time when most Indian politicians, movie makers, reporters and dnews media try to shy away from the facts and the truth, be it the past history or the current issues, I believe LoC should be a welcome move in the right direction. India has fought many wars with Pakistan, but only few people would have dared to make war movies like LoC. One should not forget the fact that most Indians and more precisely the Indian politicians, media and the bollywood would always like to live in the past and to be precise, 1947. Their thoughts have hardly moved any further than 1947 and I believe they are stuck in that year 1947 for many decades now. Most of these people live in the delusions that Pakis are our brotherns and no bad should be talked about them no matter what they do to us the common Indians. So in effect The FACTS and the TRUTH are hidden from the general people of India. More and more movies like LoC should come for public viewing. May be LoC is a good begining in the right direction. Bollywood has missed opportunities to show the sacrifices made by Indian soldiers ands their families in 1948, 1965, 1971 for no fault of their. Hopefully LoC will break that kind of delusionary behaviour from the movie makers and encourage them to bring in more and more movies that speak and pay tributes to the deserved men of India, the soldiers of all the three armed forces, the IN, IA and the IAF.
Posted by: muddur Jan 2 2004, 01:46 AM
It appears that people who have seen the movie in the theatres will have to watch the DVD as well....,0008.htm I'm done with critics: JP Dutta JP Dutta's LOC Kargil has impressed many with its gritty realism but the film also has its fair share of critics who have slammed it for being too long, too tedious and unfair to the other side. In this interview, the director defends his film, a tribute to the Indian soldiers who fought Pakistan-backed infiltrators in Kargil, against charges of self indulgence. Q: Did you edit a lot of scenes? A: Even before the film hit theatres I cut 52 scenes. A day after the release, I voluntarily cut 15 minutes of the film. And now I've reduced the length by a total of about 45 minutes to make the film accessible to a wider audience. It was extremely painful. I had to cut out parts of history. Hopefully, I'll put it all back in the satellite and DVD editions. For practical reasons, like winter weather conditions up north, I've deleted 45 minutes from the released version. I think that should make it all right. Even Lagaan and Mohabbatein were that long. Q: Did the cuts hurt you? A: They did. It hurts to see my best song Pyar bhara geet koi go. But all my well-wishers, including my wife Bindiya, felt the severe cold wave in north India made the four-hour format unacceptable to family audiences. The exhibitors too were suffering since they had to either reduce the number of shows per day, or hold the night show very late. I regretfully made the 45-minute cut Tuesday to make the film more viewer-friendly. If exhibitors are still hell-bent on making their own cuts like they did in Bihar, then I'll have to take strong action against them. It upsets me greatly that they should work this way. Q: Are you disturbed by the critical backlash in Mumbai? A: Some writers have taken this opportunity to attack me personally. I don't know why. I'm really done with these critics. Q: Did you think the length of LOC would be held against you? A: See, when you try to pay a cinematic tribute to the men who fought a war in Kargil you can't keep a certain time frame in mind. Had I done so, I'd have never made "LOC". It isn't meant to be a commercially motivated project. For me, to take on such a tough project where the budget, cast and locations were all prohibitive was emotionally and physically challenging. If I could live with such stress for months, why can't the audience live with it for four hours? Q: Some people think the battle scenes get tedious to watch. A: I was conscious of this problem. When the Kargil war happened, all the soldiers did basically the same thing. They were in a bunker and they climbed a hill. What variations could I bring into the war scenes? I was being true to the historic details. I couldn't bring in a MIG 21 or a Jaguar plane just to liven up the battle scenes. Q: The Pakistani side is very poorly represented. A: Well, all I can say to that is, even today the Pakistani government hasn't accepted that their men had infiltrated into Kargil (laughs). I'm sure my film will disclose a lot of details about the war to Pakistanis, which have been withheld from them. When our Deputy Prime Minister LK Advani saw LOC, the first question he asked was if the war scenes were filmed in collaboration with foreign technicians. I stretched my own abilities as a technician and made a film at a reasonable budget. No matter how grand my films look, they're not exorbitant in budget. Q: Are you saddened by the backlash? A: I'm not saddened. I'm shocked. You do expect a certain amount of criticism. But the quality of work is there for everyone to see. How much can these detractors lie to themselves? By any yardstick you can't dismiss my work as trivial. The critical reaction to me is incredibly violent. How can they deny what they see on screen? That's what shocks me. Why are they looking at JP Dutta instead of his film? They're running it down without viewing it properly. Don't they have a conscience about our country and the men who died trying to protect it? When Abhishek Bachchan's character dies saying, "From Madhuri Dixit, with love" it isn't a gimmick. It isn't something I cooked up in my own damn brain. That's exactly how Captain Vikram Batra died. Q: Five years ago, when you made Border, a section of the critics tried to dismiss it as a fiasco? A: But it hurts even though I've gone through it before. You expect a certain kind of objective appraisal even from your enemies. At the end of "LOC", Akshaye Khanna says to his senior, "Sir, the Pakistanis fought bravely." Likewise, those who're bitter about me could say, "All said and done JP Dutta made a good film."(laughs). I'm facing a dilemma right now. I want to dismiss the backlash. But I've to constantly listen to the voices that want to say LOC isn't an important film.
Posted by: Krishna Jan 2 2004, 11:52 AM
Ash out to seduce Hollywood NEW DELHI: Aishwarya Rai, hailed as Bollywood's first global star , has said she wants to put Indian women on the international pulpit through the roles that she would play in Hollywood movies. "There are a lot of seniors (Indians) who have worked internationally... if I can contribute to that movement... that means putting Indian women in the international pulpit," Aishwarya told BBC's Asia Today programme. After her much-hyped role in Gurinder Chadha's Bride and Prejudice due to hit international screens in September, she has now signed up with a French director for film Chaos . However, Aishwarya - who was a member of the jury at Cannes film-fest - said she would carefully select her international roles so as not to let down Indian fans across the globe. "Since I have achieved a certain position here, it doesn't mean I can accept any kind of role. It means I have to reinstate the faith that my people, Indians, all over the world have in me. So, on that basis, I choose my roles internationally," said Aishwarya, whose photograph Time magazine carried on its cover recently. Queried about her "not-so-Cinderella-like" personal life, Aishwarya, whose break-up with Salman Khan hogged the headlines in 2003, said, "I look at every experience as karmic , an experience to learn from. It strengthens you." Referred to rumours that she was currently in a "very strong relationship", Aishwarya said, "you will keep hearing all kinds of things. If I ever need announcements to be made, they will be made". Disagreeing with criticism that her first few films "confirmed that she was not so good ", she said for a person as untrained as her, it was an experience which only taught her to grow up. "People are quick to judge on the potential of a person depending on box-office success. But it is not at all the defining factor of potential or ability," she said. On the turning point in her career as an actor, Aishwarya, who has a number of box-office hits to her credit, said it was "impossible" to single out any. "Lot of critics said my first film Iruvar , directed by Mani Ratnam, was the finest... There are different reasons why people appreciate performances. Sometimes it is the film, sometimes it is the role. But I thank God who has been nice so far," she said. Aishwarya said audience and directors were the best to explain if her "pretty face" was a drawback or an asset to films. "Initially, as I was a model, people had preconceived notions. It (pretty face) was one big hurdle, the director and the audience had to overcome. Once that veil was set aside, that is when people would really see what I could do or what one could perceive me in," she said. Aish, Our user posted image just increased by the power of 5.......only for you wub.gif
Posted by: Mudy Jan 2 2004, 06:53 PM
After reading HT and TOI comments, my family in India was double minded to view movie on theatre. On my advise they kept their schedule and enjoy it or i can say loved it. My dad now want to watch again on DVD. It is more important to remember people who sacrifice everything for us and this movie is "Shardanjali" to them. - my mom words.
Posted by: Krishna Jan 2 2004, 08:24 PM
Folks, so far I've watched it a couple of times in the theatres and have been able to 'encourage' another 15/20 people to go see it. All confirmed! biggrin.gif tongue.gif Krishna khush hoo aa! biggrin.gif PS. Please don't watch it on pirated videos / VCDs / DVDs. Please watch it fair!
Posted by: Viren Jan 2 2004, 11:29 PM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Jan 2 2004, 11:24 PM)
PS. Please don't watch it on pirated videos / VCDs / DVDs. Please watch it fair!
Any good place online (read non-pirated) to buy Hindi movie DVDs in US? Know of - any other sites?
Posted by: Krishna Jan 2 2004, 11:43 PM
U can buy it at Note. I don't think that the LOC DVD is out yet, though!
Posted by: Viren Jan 3 2004, 12:05 AM
Thanks Krishna. Found that they are taking back-orders for it biggrin.gif
Posted by: muddur Jan 3 2004, 02:16 AM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Jan 3 2004, 12:13 PM)
U can buy it at Note. I don't think that the LOC DVD is out yet, though!
I might rent one soon. I know the DVD is out in the store where I rent.
Posted by: Mudy Jan 4 2004, 07:23 PM
I am waiting for DVD and these jokers are already watching pirated copies argue.gif Gandasa culture Danish Abbasi After watching the movie ‘LoC’ one can really understand the extent of propaganda which the director has done against the Pakistani army and how he has manipulated the events of kargil and as expected has presented Pakistan army as a villain in the movie and at the same time tries to show the patriotism of Indian army. But when we watch the role of Pakistani industry where they are going we are consistently watching our directors promoting the gandasa culture in our country and sending a message to the ordinary people of the country to get their right through illegal means rather than giving the message which is productive and realistic. Our directors say that Indian movies are against the morality. I have a question ‘what you are showing in your movies is morality?’ i feel its time to be practical. You have to give them a befitting answer for their films. LoC its not the matte of banning them. if you want to compete with them you have to be innovative in your approach towards movie making. I hope our directors will see the writing on the wall.
Posted by: Viren Jan 4 2004, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Jan 4 2004, 10:23 PM)
Gandasa culture
What is a gandasa? blink.gif Mudy - when observing any conversation instead of the sound watch for the metasound that's not heard. Read the letter and you'll see the jihadi fool screaming - our movie industry sucks, why can't we come up with a half decent film, why is our army getting a bad rap... boss, flood the paki market with copies of LOC thumbup.gif - the message conveyed will more than offset the cost of the movie every fool in pakiland should see it - I INSIST! wink.gif
Posted by: Gill Jan 4 2004, 08:37 PM
"how he has manipulated the events of kargil and as expected has presented Pakistan army as a villain in the movie..." hahahahaha I dont know last time I checked, a Pakistani army soldier firing on Indian soldiers is not called a hero, he is the villan. Are these Pakistanians in their right mind? cool.gif
Posted by: Viren Jan 4 2004, 08:55 PM
QUOTE (Gill @ Jan 4 2004, 11:37 PM)
Are these Pakistanians in their right mind?
Gill: He's a Pakistani - your question contains the answer pakee.gif There should be a sequel to LOC - kinda all that behind the scenes of Kargil such as {a} Mushy against the Tainamen backdrop chating with his sidekick in a hut near Khyber pass - conversation caught on tape by RAW agent (played by Mukri or Keshto) {b} Angry old man ABV (played by Om Prakash or Asit Sen) giving a finger to rest of the free world and saying he won't make the trip to DC {c} Sharif (played by Jani Lever) invited to a mujhra at Blair House only to get his provebials kicked by Billu (who else but our firang Tom Alter?).... {d} NLI jihadis fantasizing all those 72 beloved he's about to meet as the Indian bullets are racing towards him in slow motion - a la Matrix. Helloooo.....any producers/directors lurking around IF? We can cook up the next best seller laugh.gif (Movie-wallas, please no stealing of ideas from this website, everything copyrighted,patented,trademarked and legalized wahegra wahegra etc, etc cheers.gif )
Posted by: Krishna Jan 4 2004, 10:51 PM
QUOTE (Viren @ Jan 4 2004, 09:55 PM)
NLI jihadis fantasizing all those 72 beloved he's about to meet as the Indian bullets are racing towards him in slow motion - a la Matrix.
That's one of the greatest ideas I have heard in a long time - I can clearly see this scene in my head! Maybe Mr. Butt should give it a try.........Pakis won't be able to complain that we always show them in bad light! laugh.gif laugh.gif
Posted by: Gill Jan 4 2004, 11:25 PM
Posted by: Krishna Jan 5 2004, 09:56 PM
For all the Dutta - LOC whinners! J.P. Dutta ka 'Kasoor' J.P. Dutta is going through a delicate phase in his career. Never before in his entire career has any film of his received such a backlash from people within the film industry. The loose talk indulged in by several producers/directors/stars in the industry would startle anyone. “I really don't understand what wrong have I committed to invite the wrath. Why are people targeting me and my film? I've not cheated anyone, I've no liability on my head, I've used up the Fixed Deposits of my kids to make my film. They should encourage producers who break the norms of masala cinema and try to come up with daringly different stuff. Mera kasoor kya hain?” he asks me. Your kasoor, in this writer's opinion, is, you've assembled a mammoth star cast, which many just dream of achieving but can't assemble. Your kasoor is, you've managed to complete the film in a stipulated timeframe [starting in December 2001 and releasing in December 2003] without hiccups. With a cast like the one in L.O.C. and the genre of the film [war film], it would've been next to impossible to complete a film of epic proportions in such a short span. And, most importantly, within a fixed budget. Your kasoor is, you've managed to sell the film at a record price, despite the fact that the film does not star the Khans or the Roshans. Your kasoor is, you care two hoots for a P.R. exercise to remain in the news. Your kasoor is, despite the loose talk, you're not retaliating or trying to blow your trumpet. Nor are you issuing any advertisements in trade mags, congratulating yourself on the overall business of the film. You kasoor is, irrespective of the fate of your films, every actor wants to work with you. In an industry where you're known by your last film, your failures [YATEEM, KSHATRIYA, BATWARA] have had no effect on actors. Just one call from you and the actors walk in on the sets of your film without asking questions. Your kasoor is, every time you make a film, you don't find problems selling it. The distribution fraternity picks up your film at your price. Clearly, you call the shots! Obviously, this has upset people and it doesn't come as a surprise to know that more than half the industry is trying to pull you down. Like they say, a tree which bears fruits is always stoned! Anyways, the latest on L.O.C. is – J.P. has trimmed approx. 35 minutes of the film voluntarily. “There were two vital reasons for doing so,” J.P. tells me, “One, with theatres performing three shows a day, the ticket rates had been hiked to such a level that the common man was finding it difficult to enter the cinema hall screening the film. If the tickets are priced at Rs. 200 per person, a family of four will find it tough to shell out Rs. 800 to Rs. 1000 to watch a film.” The second reason is that the length is affecting the show timings, mainly the night shows. “In Mumbai, the last show has been ending much after the last train moves away from the platforms, while in North India, the cold wave is keeping people away from staying awake till 1.30 or 2 a.m. [the last show ends at this time].” However, what J.P. does find strange is that none of the distributors commented or complained on the excessive length of the film [4 hours, 8 minutes] when he told them about it before the release of the film. “But the same people have been talking about it after the release of the film. Why didn't they voice their reservations before?,” he thunders. However, J.P. adds that despite the ill-talk, the distributors are ordering for additional prints of the film [additional prints are ordered only if there's a demand for the film]. “The distributors of C.I., Orissa and Nizam have already placed an order of 2 extra prints each,” he divulges. So, what next? “Kuch bhi nahin! Am just trying to come to terms and gauge the situation before I start my next film,” he says.
Posted by: Gill Jan 6 2004, 07:46 AM
mad.gif It seems LOC has created some ripples in Pakistan High Command. Can you imagine a govt making a comment on another country's movie industry? The pinkos and red chillies must now do rounds in every daily and magazine to continue on this latest peace bid by Pakistan. ladies and gentlemen get ready for Pakistani Bhai Chara to take over the elite of elite. Mr. Katubi or kasuri, please stick to your Lahore movie industry, and besides how can you make comments on Indian movies when you cannot see them? Or are you violating your own country's laws? blink.gif
Posted by: Viren Jan 6 2004, 08:36 AM
QUOTE (Gill @ Jan 6 2004, 10:46 AM)
Or are you violating your own country's laws? blink.gif
Paki elite have always been above law. I had read somewhere (maybe that Ikram Seghal's duffer's journal) howls and rants complaining as to why the Paki top brass always screen Bollywood movies in the army cantonments of Pindi/Quetta while cable operators in TSP are fined for doing the same. Can't blame them yaar - our Bollywood exports is so addictive onlee biggrin.gif kinda like their exports drool.gif no? laugh.gif Let's see their Lahore counter Dutta's LOC pakee.gif J P Dutta - may your tribe increase. specool.gif Guys, any ideas if the LOC DVD is being shipped - I've already back-ordered it. They said this week and it's Tue already frusty.gif
Posted by: Krishna Jan 6 2004, 11:38 AM
QUOTE (Viren @ Jan 6 2004, 09:36 AM)
Guys, any ideas if the LOC DVD is being shipped - I've already back-ordered it. They said this week and it's Tue already frusty.gif
Hey Viren, I'm looking for the DVD too, the uncut version - Full 5 hours! What are you getting user posted image
Posted by: Viren Jan 6 2004, 11:56 AM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Jan 6 2004, 02:38 PM)
What are you getting user posted image
Not sure - ordered whatever they had from the Eros place that you had recommended.
Posted by: Krishna Jan 7 2004, 11:04 PM
'Sheen' – On Kashmiri Pandits 'Sheen' in Kashmiri means snow. Terrorism has stained the vast stretches of Kashmir's white snow with the blood of the innocents. There is blazing heat beneath the snow and that heat is the pain. That sums up Ashok Pandit's new venture SHEEN, starring Sheen, top notch model Tarun Arora, Raj Babbar, Kiran Juneja, Samay and Anoop Soni in pivotal roles. Produced-directed by Ashok Pandit and funded by Subroto Roy, the head honcho of Sahara Group, the film brings to light not just the Kashmir issue or the neighbouring country's hand in spreading terror in the valley, “but it looks at the issue of Kashmiri Pandits, which no Hindi film has delved into so far,” the film-maker states. SHEEN tells the story of Sheen [Sheen], daughter of Pandit Amarnath [Raj Babbar]. Despite terrorism at its peak, she is adamant of not leaving Kashmir. But something drastic happens… Pandit Amarnath and his family are made to live a life of a refugee in their own country. A symbol of constant struggle, Pandit Amarnath travels from the refugee camps of Jammu to Geneva to make the world aware of the atrocities inflicted upon the Kashmiri Pandits. “My film is a tribute to all the victims of terrorism,” Ashok states, adding that he has drawn instances from his life and incorporated them in the film, “SHEEN is a film solely from the victim's point of view.” He elaborates, “My film drives home the point that terrorists do not discriminate between a Hindu, Muslim or a Sikh. A bullet, before killing a victim, never asks him of his religion or the community he belongs to. That's what has been projected in SHEEN.” Putting the project together was a daunting task for Ashok. “I've been doing the rounds of producers' offices for years now,” Ashok tells me, “But all they were interested in was who'd head the cast, not what the story was all about.” But when Subroto Roy heard the script, he gave the go-ahead within 15 minutes itself. “I remember him telling me that we ought to make the film for the sheer message it intends to convey,” he states. While the promos of the film will go on air in the next ten days, Ashok plans to release SHEEN on January 19, 2004. A screening of some exclusive footage from the film was screened specially for this writer. ******************************************** I hope it's not a DDM type flick! unsure.gif
Posted by: rhytha Jan 8 2004, 02:21 AM
Manirathnam’s Ayudha Ezhuthu After recovering from cardiac arrest, far-famed Maniratnam is engaged with ebullience on his bi-lingual movie. After completing the schedule at Kovalam, the unit is now at Mumbai harbour. • A.R.Rehman’s Music is expected to be a highlight as usual, as it is Maniratnam, A.R.Rehman and Vairamuthu combination. Vairamuthu has written only two songs! • The movie casts three heroes and three heroines. Surya – Meera Jasmine Siddharth (‘Boys’ fame) – Trisha Madhavan – Isha Deol. • Aishwarya Rai was first asked to play the role of Isha Deol, for which she demanded a salary, which could have taken Mani to hospital again. Hence, Ishadeol was chosen. • Director Bharathiraja is acting as villain.(Wow!) • Reports say that the movie script is based upon Love and Terrorism (‘Uyire’, ‘Roja’ Formulae) and hence it is called ‘Ayudha Ezhuthu’. (Ayudha - weapon) • Ravi.K.Chandran is handling the Camera. • Mani is eliminating the Dubbing part, as it is ‘Live Sound Recording’ on the shooting spot itself. Previously, for ‘Hey Ram’ Kamal did the same. • Dialogues to the respective artists are issued before 35 days and there was a rehearsal for 15 days thereby perfecting the delivery of dialogues, as there is no dubbing. • ‘Yuva’ is the name of the movie in Hindi version. Vivek oberoi and Ajay Devgan are the main lead. • Whenever they get an opportunity to meet a reporter, Madhavan and Meera Jasmine talk as if they alone are acting in the movie. • Another hot news is Maniratnam is planning for a movie with Kamalhassan. The story is not ready, however, the movie is sold for 20 crores! (Who is real ‘Nayagan’ here?)
Posted by: Krishna Jan 8 2004, 07:58 PM
Folks, The first few trailors of AGNI PANKH are out, and here they are:,, This would be India's response to TOPGUN. I just hope they better it! smile.gif
Posted by: Mudy Jan 8 2004, 08:31 PM
trailors look good thumbup.gif
Posted by: Krishna Jan 8 2004, 10:09 PM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Jan 8 2004, 09:31 PM)
trailors look good thumbup.gif
Noooooooooooooo Mudy!!!!!!! mad.gif No they don't look good....they look awesome. clap.gif I just can't get that Mig29 taking off outta my head! wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif Even the song (Trailor #2) is kinda nice! specool.gif
Posted by: Viren Jan 9 2004, 02:26 PM
QUOTE (Viren @ Jan 6 2004, 11:36 AM)
Paki elite have always been above law. I had read somewhere (maybe that Ikram Seghal's duffer's journal) howls and rants complaining as to why the Paki top brass always screen Bollywood movies in the army cantonments of Pindi/Quetta while cable operators in TSP are fined for doing the same. Can't blame them yaar - our Bollywood exports is so addictive onlee biggrin.gif kinda like their exports drool.gif no? laugh.gif
Is that pagal seghal a lurker around here at IF! Barely within days of my post on his earlier rant about Bollywood, he's back with another time:
It also psyches up the masses of the two countries against each other, for starters why not give whoever made "LOC Kargil" six months rigorous hanging? One must accept that India has a better talent for propaganda than Pakistan, the result has been quite adverse for Pakistan and Pakistanis abroad. thumbup.gif
Posted by: Krishna Jan 9 2004, 02:36 PM
May the numbers of JP Dutta rise exponentially! smile.gif
Posted by: Reggie Jan 10 2004, 12:27 AM
British racial stereotype, circa 1929. 1929: Heat vs Talking motion pictures, the latest screen invention, may not prove so successfull in India as in the other countries. Pictures houses here are equipped with high-speed ventilating fans to tone down the terrific heat, but the noise made it impossible for the voices from the loud-speakers to be heard and the fans had to be stopped in consequence. Whether the cinemagoers prefer the silent pictures with the cooling fans or the sizzling heat with the talking pictures remains to be seen.
Posted by: Pradeep Jan 10 2004, 08:37 AM
ANyone knows if the LOC DVD is released yet? I wanted to see this movie in the theater but while I was away, it has come and gone from the NY area. I saw it on sale at this site but I am not sure if it is a pirated copy. I DO NOT want to pay the pirates for this (would like to see JP Dutta get his money). Interestingly, the link above indicated the DVD is made by Eros but on their website there is no mention of LOC at all. BTW, why is it that all Indian websites suck so badly? Thanks. PS, the trailers for agnipankh, are these for real player?
Posted by: Viren Jan 10 2004, 08:51 AM
Pradeep: I'm yet to receive my copy that I had back-ordered from Eros Entertainment. Haven't heard from them even after several voicemails and emails. Next step - I call my credit card company and Better Business Bureau. mad.gif Guys suck - just impossible to get in touch with a human being either on phone/email. I had do a search (keyword Kargil) at the Eros site to place an order. Maybe I'll just wait for it to come in the desi stores and buy it retail from there sad.gif
Posted by: Pradeep Jan 10 2004, 02:30 PM
Viren: Just got back from my local desi store where I get my DVDs. He showed me an "Indian copy" of LOC made by somebody in India, Not Eros, and obviously a pirated copy. The original apparently is coming out on Jan 27th. I have decided to wait. Must say I was tempted to get the copy and then the original later to assuage my guilt but I don't know in whose pocket the money would end up. My feeling is that a lot of the pirating is done in Pakiland or elsewhere in the middle east. Any ideas?
Posted by: Pradeep Jan 10 2004, 02:41 PM
PROPOSAL - Movie rating sytem Admins, please can we have a running ticker or something always on top, like the list of top new Indian movies so anyone can instantly refer to it as needed? Going through the entire movies thread to pick out good ones is painful. Having just visited my local desi outlet, I was overwhelmed with the sheer number of new (to me) movies out there. Earlier I had talked about classifying desi movies into genres but to make things much simpler, I would say we should just have everyone who cares to, rate the movies they have seen lately and again for simplicity's sake, give a movie between 1-5 stars (ala Amazon). If you could come up with a cumulative scoring system, it would make it so much easier for all of us to just look at the list and say OK that's what I'm going to watch today. If enough people participate, we could have a pretty good thing going. Planet Bollywood has long had a review process, but unfortunately, it is biased towards a single person's opinion. For example, Sarfarosh was reviewd by a Paki (why they have THEM on a bollywood site, I cannot fathom) and obviously got the rough treatment. What says you?
Posted by: Mudy Jan 10 2004, 03:07 PM
Pradeep, Report to authorites regarding your desi store, who is selling these pirated copies. You will get paid $200 and these type of stores will be punished.
Posted by: Pradeep Jan 10 2004, 06:33 PM
Mudy, thanks for the suggestion. However, every store I have visited, except perhaps for the big ones like "Raga", sell ONLY pirated movies. Last year I bought a copy of K3G for some $20 with the assurance that it was "original". It did not play in my DVD player (a vintage one). Needless to say I went back to the store three times for a replacement and none of them worked. It was only after I bought a newer DVD player capable of playing DVD R/RW etc that the K3G copy worked. Obviously it was a very good pirate copy, down to the holographic logo of Eros! I suppose I should order all movies directly from Eros, but how do you then satisfy the sudden urge to see a movie today?
Posted by: Pradeep Jan 11 2004, 08:13 AM
Munna Bhai MBBS Let me be the first to start the ratings process. Saw this movie last night. Must say against my own expectations I was very pleasantly surprised. Despite the name, it is quite a sophisticated production. The movie is incredibly funny in places and also bitter-sweet at times. Melodramatic too, but then what Indian movie isn't? The title song is refreshing. Over all, I would say it's a must see and give it 4 stars out of 5.
Posted by: agasthiyan Jan 12 2004, 07:56 PM
just watched "munna bhai MBBS" extremely watchable and good humor content (especially when Dr.Asthana practices laughter therapy ...) i would rate 4 / 5 . Probably inspired by Patch Adams , but very well made and a good watch even for somebody who is not so fluent in hindi (like me smile.gif )
Posted by: Gill Jan 13 2004, 08:11 PM
Munnah Bhai MBBS...very nice movie...laughed off the sofa cool.gif "Probably inspired by Patch Adams..." Inspired by "Going Back To School" with Rodney Dangerfield cool.gif
Posted by: Krishna Jan 13 2004, 10:50 PM
Folks, watch this trailor of the upcoming movie Sheen. In 8 mins flat you would the atrocities comitted on Kashmiri Pandits. Seems to me, it's gonna be a hard-hitting movie. Here: ->
Posted by: Gill Jan 16 2004, 02:08 AM
I need help. I need more information on accurate names of units and number of people involved in Indian army's operation in Jaffan [University]. Require this data for a friend of mine who is writing a script. He saw Loc and has been caught by the movie bug. According to him, the nation has forgotten this war and Indian warriors who fought and died for peace in Sri Lanka. You may email me at Thanks in advance. india.gif
Posted by: murali Jan 16 2004, 02:06 PM
Mr.Gill, Hope these websites might help.
Posted by: muddur Jan 24 2004, 04:10 PM
Finally I get to see the movie LOC ... A W E S O M E .....! smile.gif It's a damn good movie. Critics of the movie are probably couch potato's, who perhaps don't know how the wars are fought. But all in all here is what I felt ... 1: Songs were unnecessary .. 2: Lack of professionalism at times (or should I call it as lack of attentions to details) ... example... All Hero's needed a perfect military hair cut ... I don't think IA will let long hairs on their men... Its a matter of decipline in the force. Dutta should have asked them to get a military hair cut, or get lost. India is not short of HERO"s, they could have been filled in better. 3: Sunny paji is missing... I read somewhere that JPDutta had differences of opinion with Sunny. That can only make Dutta as the looser. Differences should have been worked out on the set. 4: Use of Hinglish more than what the army men do, perhaps .... 5: IA should be clearly trained to believe that they are there at the borders to kill the enemies, not to give their life to protect our borders. Times have changed. Although I felt the the message was there in some of the dialogues, it should have come up more often than it is there. 6: Also I felt that Dutta attached a lot of sentiments in the movie. Perhaps he should have concentrated more on the war stories.... 7: Most of the times I felt that Indian Army didn't get the weaponary of their choice even while at war. Like Bofors was given only during the Tiger hill battle. Come on, they should get what ever they want. If they want Bofors or Bofors ka baap, get them and give it to IA. 8: Another thing that haunted me was that, IA was shown to have operated with no communication with the IAF. Both IA and IAF fought the war with some co-ordination. Both units fought with one goal, of evicting the Pigs out. Although I know that AGNIPANKH is waiting to come, there should have been references to IAF activities some where, at least when the higher army officials meet. Perhaps time has come for IA to get some wings of its own. All in all a great movie! ================ I felt that the army men spent more time talking about their families, than the war tactics. We need to show more professionalism in the war movies like these. I mean sentiments will be there, but they should not be part of the movie at least. IA should be projected as the force that only means business while at war. Action was tolerable. Photography was good and so was the sound effects. In the end the myth the Pakis boasted after the Kargil, that with only a few thousand force, they were able to draw the whole of IA, was proved wrong. liar.gif Paki army or the mujahiddeens weren't as brave as they think. They only used CHEATING and hiding as their weapons. Definitely they cheated, deceived Indian army to infiltrate and occupy the strategic posts and hills. If Pakis were to defend from India's position, I doubt they would have ever been successful in achieving success. Sure they were aptly called as rats, CHUVEY log ... pakee.gif All in all, we have come a long way... There were times when we shy'ed away from making a decent war movies against the Pakistan, this one is a great step. Conclusion after the movie: ==================== Indians have greatly erred in identifying the threat on the western borders. India should not rest until Pakistan is destroyed. Our men at borders are not the scape goats who can be sacrificed for no real cause. Before it is too late, GOI should unite to fight the Pakistani menace, with no mercy shown at them. We have already made our biggest mistake with Bhai - Bhai sentiments, in 1962. NOT AGAIN with Pakis or with Chinese, not again. I am angry and furious ... mad.gif furious.gif
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla Jan 24 2004, 08:30 PM
Saw Khakhi today in the local desi hall.Its one of the better Hindi movies made in a long time.Seems like somebody spent time on the story.Its tight and throws a few surprises at you, one could find a few holes in the plot but not big enough that can't be overlookde.Overall a good film go see it.
Posted by: Krishna Jan 24 2004, 11:01 PM
Siddhartha, I read some good reviews about Khakee, and lokkin forward to see it whenever time permits. But I have a question though: From whatever reviews I read, it mentions a bit about the twists regarding the villain in a hush-hush tone. My question is: Who's the villain? Aishwarya, Ajay Devgan (I don't think it's him as he has already been projected as the bad guy,) Bachchan (I don't think it's him either,) Tushar or Akshay?? blink.gif Don't say it, just give me a hint or something? wink.gif
Posted by: Krishna Jan 24 2004, 11:41 PM Move over Bryan Singer's X-Men, Rudraksh is here. If X-Men was about mutants possessing extraordinary powers, Rudraksh is about a man capable of healing people with inherent supernatural strength. Mani Shankar's mystical SFX thriller Rudraksh, featuring Sanjay Dutt, Suniel Shetty, Bipasha Basu and Isha Koppikar presents its actors in an unusual avatar. Bipasha Basu plays Gayatri, a scientist who comes down the from United States to research paranormal activity. She bumps into Varun (Dutt), who holds mysterious powers. The clairvoyant Varun is attracted to the legendary rudraksh, which is known to bestow remarkable energy to its owner. But Bhuria (Shetty) and Lali (Koppikar) discover the rudraksh before anyone else. Shankar made his debut as a director with 16 December starring Milind Soman, Dippanita Sharma and Sushant Singh in 2002. Like his previous film, Shankar is at the helm of the special effects in Rudraksh as well. The film is set for a February 6 release. ****************************************************** Check out the trailor here: ****************************************************** This mani Shankar guy is the same who made December 16. Lets see what he does here!
Posted by: rajesh_g Jan 25 2004, 02:36 AM
Tho Khakhee is really a good movie and is really fun to watch (watched it yesterday) its got this weird spin .. 1. Indians blame ISI for wrong (and every) reason(s).. 2. Indian politicians are cause of ALL problems(read communal riots) .. Anything more and I will give away some movie "surprises". But some of the spins were dangerous - just like the legend of bhagat singh - u come out admiring the man - ur heart beating twice as fast - with tears in your eyes and yet there is this lingering doubt about this subtle spin that the story writer has put in about socialism and everything - but atleast in that case the director has some excuse -> thats how it was - but in this movie the story is fictional and yet there is this subtle spin. Watch it and you will know what I am saying.. sad.gif And then I watched trailor for some sohail khan movie that shows Ind-Pak fight shoulder to shoulder with brit skinheads.. Totally put me off thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla Jan 25 2004, 06:32 AM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Jan 25 2004, 11:31 AM)
Siddhartha, I read some good reviews about Khakee, and lokkin forward to see it whenever time permits. But I have a question though: From whatever reviews I read, it mentions a bit about the twists regarding the villain in a hush-hush tone. My question is: Who's the villain? Aishwarya, Ajay Devgan (I don't think it's him as he has already been projected as the bad guy,) Bachchan (I don't think it's him either,) Tushar or Akshay?? blink.gif Don't say it, just give me a hint or something? wink.gif
Krishna, Ajay Devgan is the bad guy who works for an evil politician Sabyasachi Chakrawarti.Now don't ask no more question or else I would end up telling the whole plot. A habit I have gotten under control with lot of efforts and pains. During my college days I used to make sure that I saw the first show of any suspense/mystery movie and then putting up the "relevant" information on notice boards and mess halls.
Posted by: Viren Jan 25 2004, 06:44 AM
A habit I have gotten under control with lot of efforts and pains.
Siddhartha: Good laugh.gif .... couple years ago, local loudmouth radio DJ was stupid to give away the suspense of the Fifth Sense (the Night Shyamalam thriller with Bruce Willis) on air during prime time commute hours of the morning. Needless to say he had to get his phone number delisted.
Posted by: Mudy Jan 25 2004, 10:39 PM
Bond, Demi Moore for Kumbh Hardwar, Jan. 25: Hollywood superstars Pierce Brosnan and Demi Moore will arrive in Rishikesh on April 14 to take a holy dip in the river Ganga for the Kumbh. April 13, 14 and 19 are the most auspicious days for the holy dip. They will then proceed to Ujjain, which is one of the four centres of the mela. Even though the visit is being kept under wraps, sources revealed the two stars will put up either at Dayanand Ashram or Paramat Niketan in Rishikesh. The Simhastha Kumbh Mela will take place at Ujjain after a gap of 12 years. The entire period, spanning from April 5 to May 5, is considered auspicious with five main bathing dates. Kumbh has always been a favourite with Hollywood stars. Madonna, Sharon Stone and Richard Gere have earlier visited the Mela. Meanwhile, Hardwar is currently hosting the Ardh Kumbh Mela and the first auspicious date for a holy dip is January 26. Leaving nothing to chance, the district administration is geared up for the rush. Several development works, amounting to Rs 135 crores, have already been undertaken
Posted by: Pradeep Jan 26 2004, 03:26 PM
Looking for the original DVD of L.O.C. Kargil. Viren, did you get yours yet? Anybody knows?
Posted by: Viren Jan 26 2004, 04:05 PM
Sorry Pardeep. It's been on back order for a while now. Somewhere I had read that the DVD was to be released by this month end. I'll have to wait I guess. Interestingly, a local desi store had a video cassette of the movie, supposedly "DVD quality" print. Rented it about a week ago, could barely watch it beyond first 2 minutes. The print was bad - clearly someone had walked into a theatre with camcorder and made a bootleg copy of it furious.gif On a side note, saw "Samay" - good thriller though didn't like the ending. Another one, "Pinjar" - couple thumbs up from me.
Posted by: Pradeep Jan 26 2004, 05:04 PM
Viren, my video store (desi) told me it was releasing Jan 27th. He too had a DVD of the movie that he said was a copy from India. needless to say I decided to wait. I don't know if he will come through with the original movie tomorrow. We shall see. Can't wait much longer.
Posted by: Viren Jan 26 2004, 09:33 PM
QUOTE (Pradeep @ Jan 26 2004, 08:04 PM)
Can't wait much longer.
Sabar ka phal meeta hota hai Pradeep. I only hope the DVD that comes out has all those scenes that Dutta had to cut to shorten the movie.
Posted by: Viren Jan 30 2004, 03:26 AM
QUOTE (Pradeep @ Jan 26 2004, 06:26 PM)
Looking for the original DVD of L.O.C. Kargil. Viren, did you get yours yet? Anybody knows?
Have an email from Eros that the DVD was shipped yesterday! clap.gif Looks like the DVD is out thumbup.gif
Posted by: Krishna Jan 30 2004, 11:12 AM
V, how much $$s did they charge ya? I'm lookin' for an uncut version, can't seem to find it! unsure.gif sad.gif
Posted by: Viren Jan 30 2004, 11:19 AM
It was about $20 for DVD and about $3 for shipping. Not sure it's cut/un-cut version. Will let you know soon.
Posted by: Rudra Singha Jan 30 2004, 06:49 PM
has anyone watched 'Dhoop' - based on true story of late capt anuj nayyar in kargil. the bereaved family goes through the corrupt system to get a petrol pump. I found it impressive. Om puri as usual plays the principled role well.
Posted by: Viren Jan 30 2004, 09:29 PM
Dhoop was pretty good - one of the better movies by Bollywood. I seem to have missed all the news worthy articles on this topic.
Posted by: Viren Jan 30 2004, 09:40 PM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Jan 30 2004, 02:12 PM)
V, how much $$s did they charge ya? I'm lookin' for an uncut version, can't seem to find it! unsure.gif sad.gif
Krishna: Received the DVD today (haven't seen yet though - have to hook up the home-theatre that I had removed sometime back). The packaging is absolutely great - haven't seen anything like this before even with Hollywood movies. Comes in a kind of binder - a collector's version. Has a small binder with all the some stories, essay by Dutta, pictures etc. Sadly there's no pics of the real heros of Kargil only reel heros. I think it's cut version (based on what little I saw in the main menu). There's a trailer of Waqt in that rolleyes.gif . Wish they had captured something from the real life of the soldiers such as inteviews with the parents/loved ones.
Posted by: Krishna Jan 30 2004, 09:46 PM
Thanks for the info, Viren. I hope JP Dutta releases the uncut 5 hour version. Censorboard be damned!
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla Jan 31 2004, 06:56 AM
Posted by: Pradeep Feb 1 2004, 09:26 AM
Viren, thanks for your message. I too just bought my copy of LOC yesterday from the desi store. Relieved to say that it is the original package. He charged me around $25 for it, so I am happy. Wil see it later next week with a friend who is also passionate about the Kargil issue. BTW, any opinions on Plan or Ek Din 24 Ghante? Just bought these too.
Posted by: Krishna Feb 1 2004, 02:01 PM
QUOTE (Pradeep @ Feb 1 2004, 10:26 AM)
any opinions on Plan or Ek Din 24 Ghante? Just bought these too.
Plan is ok for one time viewing. Ek din 24 ghante is waste of your 2 ½ hours.
Posted by: Rudra Singha Feb 1 2004, 03:24 PM
I have partially seen a movie named "Shhhhhhhh....." . if anyone has seen it fully was it good ?
Posted by: Krishna Feb 1 2004, 03:32 PM
QUOTE (Rudra Singha @ Feb 1 2004, 04:24 PM)
I have partially seen a movie named "Shhhhhhhh....." . if anyone has seen it fully was it good ?
No, total time waste!
Posted by: Rudra Singha Feb 1 2004, 03:35 PM
GangaJal was real good imo. any such "gritty" movies out recently ?
Posted by: Pradeep Feb 1 2004, 05:59 PM
I too thought Gangajal was good, a slightly different take on Shool. I liked the twist in the second half. All in all, a good movie, albeit I still think Shool was a masterpiece.
Posted by: Viren Feb 4 2004, 09:20 PM Nominees for the 49th Manikchand Filmfare Awards BEST FILM BEST DIRECTOR Baghban Kal Ho Naa Ho Koi. Mil Gaya Munna Bhai M.B.B.S. Tere Naam J P Dutta Film: LoC - Kargil Nikhil Advani Film: Kal Ho Naa Ho Rajkumar Hirani Film: Munna Bhai M.B.B.S Rakesh Roshan Film: Koi... Mil Gaya Ram Gopal Varma Film: Bhoot Satish Kaushik Film: Tere Naam BEST ACTOR BEST ACTRESS Ajay Devgan Film: GangaaJal Amitabh Bachchan Film: Baghban Hrithik Roshan Film: Koi... Mil Gaya Salman Khan Film: Tere Naam Shah Rukh Khan Film: Kal Ho Naa Ho Bhoomika Chawla Film: Tere Naam Hema Malini Film: Baghban Preity Zinta Film: Kal Ho Naa Ho Preity Zinta Film: Koi... Mil Gaya Rani Mukerji Film: Chalte Chalte Urmila Matondkar Film: Bhoot BEST ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE BEST ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE Abhishek Bachchan Film: Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon Arshad Warsi Film: Munna Bhai M.B.B.S Manoj Bajpai Film: LoC-Kargil Saif Ali Khan Film: Kal Ho Naa Ho Salman Khan Film: Baghban Jaya Bachchan Film: Kal Ho Naa Ho Priyanka Chopra Film: Andaaz Rekha Film: Koi... Mil Gaya Shabana Azmi Film: Tehzeeb Shehnaz Treasurywala Film: Ishq Vishk BEST ACTOR IN A COMIC ROLE BEST MUSIC Boman Irani Film: Munna Bhai M.B.B.S Johny Lever Film: Koi... Mil Gaya Paresh Rawal Film: Fun2ssh Paresh Rawal Film: Hungama Sanjay Dutt Film: Munna Bhai M.B.B.S Anu Malik Film: LoC Himesh Reshammiya Film: Tere Naam Jatin-Lalit Film: Chalte Chalte Rajesh Roshan Film: Koi... Mil Gaya Shankar Ehsaan Loy Film: Kal Ho Naa Ho BEST LYRICS BEST PLAYBACK (MALE) Javed Akhtar Ek saathi (LoC) Javed Akhtar Kal ho na ho (Kal Ho Naa Ho) Javed Akhtar Tauba tumhare (Chalte Chalte) Sameer Kissi se tum pyar karo (Andaaz) Sameer Tere naam (Tere Naam) Abhijeet Suno na (Chalte Chalte) Kumar Sanu Kissi se tum pyar karo (Andaaz) Sonu Nigam Kal ho na ho (Kal Ho Naa Ho) Udit Narayan Idhar Chala (Koi... Mil Gaya) Udit Narayan Tere naam (Tere Naam) BEST PLAYBACK (FEMALE) BEST ACTOR IN A VILLAINOUS ROLE Alisha Chinai Chot dil pe lagi (Ishq Vishk) Alka Yagnik Odhni odhke (Tere Naam) Alka Yagnik Tauba tumhare (Chalte Chalte) Chitra Koi mil gaya (Koi... Mil Gaya) Shreya Ghoshal Jadoo hai nasha hai (Jism) Bipasha Basu Film: Jism Feroz Khan Film: Janasheen Irfan Khan Film: Haasil Preity Zinta Film: Armaan Yashpal Sharma Film: GangaaJal
Posted by: Viren Feb 4 2004, 09:32 PM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Jan 25 2004, 02:01 AM)
I read some good reviews about Khakee, and lokkin forward to see it whenever time permits.
As others have pointed, Khakee is pretty good. It remined me of a English movie by yet another angry young man (can't give more details without giving away the plot). Big B is specool.gif Was a refreshing change to watch the Big B back in Khakee after sleepysmileyanim.gif Boom.
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla Feb 6 2004, 06:04 AM
Rajasthan CM takes MLAs out for movie, dinner February 06, 2004 16:02 IST Last Updated: February 06, 2004 16:10 IST Deputy Prime Minister Lal Kishenchand Advani is turning out to be an unofficial ambassador for the Indian film industry. Recently, his party colleague and Rajasthan Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje took some time out of managing the affairs of her state to watch Khakee after the assembly was adjourned sine die. But rather than enjoy it alone, she invited all the state's legislators to the special screening of the Amitabh Bachchan starrer in a multiplex in capital Jaipur followed by dinner. "Advaniji had recommended the movie and I decided that it should be a group outing. It is a movie about politicians, cops and scribes, and I had invited all of them for the show," she told reporters. She is now planning to organise screenings of other movies like The legend of Bhagat Singh, Border and LoC for the legislators. What more can the film industry ask for?
Posted by: rhytha Feb 9 2004, 09:34 AM
i saw virumandi this weekend, the film is quite good, a must see for all. Kamal has as usual excelled, but the surprise was the performance by co-actors which was very good, the villian, actress(abhirami) etc. Also the narrative is very intresting, diffrent from the usually sundry forumlas. 2 songs should be a hit, "vir vir virumanid" and "one polla" by IR. A must see for all. graduated.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Feb 9 2004, 10:51 AM
Thanks for recommending Gangajal. Loved it.
Posted by: Mudy Feb 9 2004, 08:40 PM
Paki trade mark at work biggrin.gif BOMBAY: A Pakistani who claims to be the cousin of a top Bollywood actress of the 1940s has popped up in Bombay to stake a claim to the late actress’s $11 million property, a report said on Monday. Suraiyya, who was single and died last month at the age of 75, left no will to determine the ownership of her two houses and a bungalow in Bombay and a fruit plantation in the nearby hill station Lonavala. The Mid Day newspaper said the actress’ lawyer, Dhimant Thakar claimed one of the houses on Bombay’s posh Marine Drive, where Suraiyya lived for the last few years. Mehfooz Ahmed, a Pakistani who works in Saudi Arabia, has told local authorities he is Suraiyya’s cousin and entitled to the properties valued at a total of Rs 500 million ($11.03 million). Suraiyya was born in Lahore. But Mehfooz said he had not been in touch with the actress for 25 years. "Her telephone numbers kept changing and I could not keep in touch with her, but I have more right to her property than her legal adviser as I am a blood relation," Mehfooz was quoted saying by Mid Day. He said he would like to sell the property - but to keep the her jewellery. "I would definitely want to take back her jewellery, which I might give my daughter as something to remember her aunt by," he said. Suraiyya made her Bollywood debut in 1946 and from 1948 to 1951 was the industry’s top paid female star, playing in hits such as "Pyaar ki Jeet" "Badi Bahen" and "Dillagi". She quit films in 1951 after her grandmother broke up her romance with Bollywood’s leading man of the time, Dev Anand. Mehfooz left Mumbai for Pakistan in 1963.
Posted by: Viren Feb 9 2004, 09:07 PM
Let's add this to pakee.gif to our Paki shinning list biggrin.gif I'm still waiting on a pakee.gif to claim the Jinnah House in Mumbai - though the pakee.gif govt has tried several times.
Posted by: Krishna Feb 15 2004, 12:38 PM
Saw Rudraksh yesterday. Pretty good movie! Ved + Sci-Fi flick. Some neat animted stuff too, probably the best we have seen so far in an Indian film. Later!!
Posted by: Viren Feb 16 2004, 11:18 AM
Bimbo alert biggrin.gif
Posted by: Viren Feb 17 2004, 09:22 AM
Any ideas as to when "Aab Tak Chappan" (starring Nana Patekar) is releasing. It's supposed to be true story based on life of a Mumbai encounter specialist cop.
Posted by: rhytha Feb 17 2004, 09:29 AM
QUOTE (Viren @ Feb 17 2004, 09:52 PM)
Any ideas as to when "Aab Tak Chappan" (starring Nana Patekar) is releasing. It's supposed to be true story based on life of a Mumbai encounter specialist cop.
Its a remake of tamil super hit "Kakka Kakka" by surya and jothika. The movie was fine graduated.gif
Posted by: Mudy Feb 19 2004, 10:21 AM
Raveena, fiancé arrive in Udaipur to tie nuptial knot Thursday February 19 2004 18:33 IST Agencies UDAIPUR: Bollywood actress Raveena Tandon and her film distributor fiancé Anil Thadani arrived at Dabok airport in Udaipur on Wednesday evening amidst brisk preparations for the arranged wedding on February 22. Ceremonies like ladies sangeet and mehandi will be held on February 20 and 21 respectively in Shiv Niwas Palace hotel where both the bride and the groom are staying. And the arrangements are certainly no less than that befitting a princess. She will tie the nuptial knot at Jagmandir, an island temple and palace in Lake Pichola. Crockery is being flown in from France while special wedding chairs are being prepared for the couple. Silver stools on which the marriage ceremony will be performed are being given the final touches. Boats to carry people from the groom's side to the wedding venue will be decked up and decorated with flowers. The marriage, a complete non-alcoholic affair, will have a touch of traditional Punjabi culture - as Raveena is a Punjabi - but with a Rajasthani backdrop. Film and political glitterati, including actors Amitabh Bachchan, Salman Khan, Govinda and industrialist-turned- politician Vijay Malaya, Amar Singh and Rajasthan Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje are expected to attend the Punjabi style wedding. Speaking to mediapersons earlier this week, Raveena's brother Rajeev and sister-in-law Rakhi informed that the actress wanted to marry here as she believed she was a Rajasthani princess in her previous birth. ROTFL.gif ''We thus wanted to marry her off in royal style''. The wedding venue, Jagmandir, was built by Maharana Karan Singh in the early 1600s. The late king Maharana Jagat Singh completed its magnificent construction and lent it his name. In 1623, Prince Khurram, who later became Emperor Shahjahan, sought refuge there. His stay at Jagmandir is said to have inspired the Mughal ruler to build the Taj Mahal. Today Jagmandir, owned by the HRH group of hotels of the erstwhile Udaipur royalty, is continuing the tradition of hospitality and serves as a venue for mega weddings.
Posted by: Krishna Feb 19 2004, 09:18 PM
Take a looksie at Agni Pankh trailors, here: "Bachey kuchey Kashmir ke saath......La-Ho bhi dahej mein le jayenge!" cheers.gif "Chappan saal se Hindustani Insaaniyat kee jhootan pey to pal raha hain tumhara mulk.........warna Delhi se Islamabad tak tiranga le jayenge.....bahttar (72) ghantey ke andar!" guitar.gif specool.gif Sabbash Jimmy Sabbash!! specool.gif clap.gif clap.gif So it's Sunny Paaji + Ajay Devgan + Jimmy Shergil now! devilsmiley.gif
Posted by: muddur Feb 20 2004, 07:31 PM
I saw Rudraaksh yesterday... Pretty impressive for Bollywood standards. One thing I didn't like was that the heroine (scientist) comes to India from USA on a research project. Why can't the Indian movie makers show it as an Indian research team from say, IISC, IIT or from some secret defense labs ???
Posted by: Krishna Feb 20 2004, 09:05 PM
Boss, It's the 'gora-saheb aaya' hangover! I hated the scene where Bipasha (the scientist) bribes that doc to get access to the handicapped man, her 'experiment!' I admire Mani Shankar for doing something like Rudraksh specool.gif , but hated those few scenes! mad.gif
Posted by: amarnath Feb 21 2004, 05:20 AM
Well Rudraksh is Cool for except what you people point out ! Atleast the bribing the doctor for something that happens on a daily basis in India , lets not deny those things to ourselves happens and it was shown ....lets try if we can end those... After 2000 years this country is awakening to a feeling of 1-ness and greatness, perhaps the future awaits our work.Lets not deny the wrongs here, but work to correct it. As Swami Vivekananda said , hate the sin not the sinner and work to remove their ignorance.
Posted by: Krishna Feb 21 2004, 01:32 PM
QUOTE (amarnath @ Feb 21 2004, 06:20 AM)
Atleast the bribing the doctor for something that happens on a daily basis in India , lets not deny those things to ourselves happens and it was shown ....lets try if we can end those...
Amarnath, A lot of things happens in India, and a lot doesn't. My point was, when you r making a movie on Fiction, blending it with the vedas why the hell you put something in that potrays out people as bad or cheap. Just because something happens doesn't mean it has to be said at every chance u get to speak. There is a time and place for everything.
Posted by: amarnath Feb 21 2004, 09:26 PM
krishna Ok , yes the director could have avoided it....perhaps he thought as the whole movie was a fiction , let there be atleast one true event happening biggrin.gif Lets leave it at that
Posted by: Viren Feb 21 2004, 10:24 PM
Saw "Kal Ho Na Ho" starring Shahrukh, Saif, Preity Z, Jaya B. Was a light movie - few good songs and some great performances from all. Story somewhat along the lines of Rajesh Khanna's "Safar".
Posted by: Krishna Feb 22 2004, 02:15 PM
Amarnath, You are pushing it........... But lets just leave it at that! biggrin.gif
Posted by: Viren Feb 23 2004, 07:33 AM
Producer Ismail Merchant says pop diva Tina Turner's two-week tour of India has prepared her for her role as a singing, dancing Indian goddess unsure.gif in a new Merchant-Ivory film.
Posted by: vasu Feb 23 2004, 09:16 PM
Death of a legend Dev speaks on the death of his elder brother, Vijay Anand. Haqeeqat (1964): Directed by Chetan Anand, the eldest brother of the three Anands, starring Dharmendra and Vijay Anand. One of the greatest movies made by Bombay. I always avoided watching it as a kid because i would cry all the time i watched it.
Posted by: Viren Feb 24 2004, 02:24 AM
Posted by: Harshavardhan Feb 29 2004, 02:39 PM
I came across two interesting Thai movies with Indian themes: user posted image Angulimala user posted image The of the film. Also, a trailer: And user posted image Garuda The website's synopsis is in Thai, so I'm not sure what it is about. There is a section on 'the legend of garuda' with depictions, so I am sure the story has some mythological grounding. From the trailer (, it looks like some kind of horror/action movie similar to Jurassic park. Also, on another note, does anyone know the progress on the film "Maryada Purushottam"?
Posted by: madhu Mar 2 2004, 07:25 PM
Did agnipankh release already? I saw the dvd on sale, but couldn't find any news about its release or reviews anywhere.
Posted by: madhu Mar 2 2004, 07:26 PM
Oops found it.
Posted by: murali Mar 4 2004, 07:44 PM
Hello Harshavardhan, Do you know if one can get the "Angulimala" (Thai movie you posted) movie in the US ? Either DVD or VCD. Thanks in advance. Murali
Posted by: thalapathi Mar 4 2004, 11:18 PM Radaan's big leap Actress Radhika's Radaan Media Works (P) Ltd, which made a mark producing successful teleserials including Chithi and Annamalai is foraying into film-making. The company has roped in Theja, a noted Telugu director for the maiden silver screen venture. Speaking about the maiden venture Jairam, Radhika Sarath Kumar said, 'We are happy to bring director Theja to Tamil. When he narrated the story to me, I was thrilled with the storyline and decided to go ahead with the film'. Theja said, 'Jairam is the name of the hero in the film. It is a cross-border Hindu-Muslim love story with a touch of real life violence. I have introduced 55 new faces. Earlier we had given advertisements in newspapers inviting new faces. We received 1,76,000 applications and out of which 12,000 were filtered in the first stage, 110 at the second stage and finally it came down to 55'. A debutant Navdeep plays the lead while Santhoshi is paired opposite him. Anup, a debutant has scored the music. Ravi Varman has cranked the camera. 'We have planned to shoot a few scenes in Lahore and Karachi. We have sought the approval of both the governments and hope to complete shooting soon', Theja said. For one of the songsVande Matharam, five prominent artistes including Radhika and Sarath Kumar make a guest appearance. The film is expected for release by the end of March. Now a cross border tamil movie. Radaan with its close contacts in Sun TV will for sure generate a lot of positive reports about the movie to make it a hit.
Posted by: Viren Mar 5 2004, 02:05 PM
Remember reading a Amar Chitra Katha on Angulimala long ago. Is it a Thai or Indian story?
Posted by: murali Mar 5 2004, 06:16 PM
Viren, It is an Indian story. But this movie was made in Thailand. IIR, an old Hindi movie was also made on the same theme. Murali Posted by Viren: Remember reading a Amar Chitra Katha on Angulimala long ago. Is it a Thai or Indian story?
Posted by: raj Mar 6 2004, 06:09 AM
QUOTE (murali @ Mar 5 2004, 08:14 AM)
Hello Harshavardhan, Do you know if one can get the "Angulimala" (Thai movie you posted) movie in the US ? Either DVD or VCD. Thanks in advance. Murali Why doesn't bollywood make such movies? Oh well they are too busy licking feet of Pakistanis or the mafia lords.
Posted by: Krishna Mar 6 2004, 01:22 PM
QUOTE (raj @ Mar 6 2004, 07:09 AM)
Why doesn't bollywood make such movies? Oh well they are too busy licking feet of Pakistanis or the mafia lords.
It's not that there aren't any good directors in India who can't make a good movie based on some Hindu cultural stuff, ancient or contemporary. It's just even before u can say, 'We are proud to follow Sanatan Dharma' people would label ya, "There we gotta a bunch of Hindutvavadis out to get the all so innocent minorities. rolleyes.gif " I dare folks like Yash Chopra, Karan Johar to make some cultural stuff than the usual BS movies with haqla..... rolleyes.gif An anti-Hindu movie like Hey Ram can pass the censor, without any cuts but an upcoming movie, Adharm - not a politically correct movie, gets pretty much all the controversial parts chopped off. Secularism ki jai ho! rolleyes.gif
Posted by: Pradeep Mar 8 2004, 01:59 PM
I dare folks like Yash Chopra, Karan Johar to make some cultural stuff than the usual BS movies with haqla.....
Like I've said before, we need our own Spielberg to tell our story. Hey Ram was very disappointing in its conclusions. Pakis couldn't have done it better. I think all the big movie houses are in cahoots with the mafia, which as I understand it is anti-hindu. There is not going to be any movie like "The Passion...." coming out of India, depicting the carnage visited upon us by Mahmud Ghazni or Aurangzeb. Truth is something completely unpalatable to most Indians, Hindus included. And that, sadly is our story.
Posted by: Krishna Mar 14 2004, 03:47 PM
Don't act in anti-Pakistan films: Musharraf's plea to Aishwarya
"I would like to request a leading star like Aishwarya Rai not to act in such films because they will be most unrealistic," pakee.gif
About some of the Bollywood war films, Musharraf said, "I don't think they are realistic at all. You try to ridicule our forces. You overdo it in your movies. I find it to be absurd," he said. sleepysmileyanim.gif
Asked if he would rather see an India-Pakistan "love movie," he responded: "It is absolutely all right as long as you are realistic." sleepysmileyanim.gif rolleyes.gif
"I am very glad to be asked a question by a leading player from the film world of India, drool.gif " a beaming Musharraf said. To her question about prospect of peace between India and Pakistan, Musharraf assured Aishwarya that all sections of Pakistani society wanted peace rolleyes.gif , liar.gif interaction and harmonious relations with India. "There are some extremists in Pakistan and India rolleyes.gif who are against it. But they are a very small minority." he said.
Posted by: Mudy Mar 14 2004, 05:52 PM
Mushy is asking Bollywood to show NLI as Paki War Hero, Gen Nazi as war Hero. Commando Mushy as Sly. What a fool he is? I am surprised why he is still telling DDM, they are doing this job, How they thrashed LOC is recent example. Damn Indian Media and movie stars. Complete jokers and true SOB.
Posted by: Krishna Mar 14 2004, 06:54 PM
Damn Indian Media and movie stars. Complete jokers and true SOB.
Not all of them. Avoid movies that has any of the Khans (except Aamir) + Akshay Kumar. Encourage movies *in Paaji / Devgan // Jimmy Shergil if Aishwarya listens to mushy, avoid her too! mad.gif sad.gif
Posted by: Viren Mar 14 2004, 09:10 PM
QUOTE (rhytha @ Feb 17 2004, 12:29 PM)
QUOTE (Viren @ Feb 17 2004, 09:52 PM)
Any ideas as to when "Aab Tak Chappan" (starring Nana Patekar) is releasing. It's supposed to be true story based on life of a Mumbai encounter specialist cop.
Its a remake of tamil super hit "Kakka Kakka" by surya and jothika. The movie was fine graduated.gif
Saw 'Ab tak 56' - good movie. Nana the great as usual. But he movie has a serious logical flaw flex.gif - can't mention it here as it'll give away the story. Anyone who's seen it can PM me biggrin.gif
Posted by: Viren Mar 14 2004, 09:19 PM
"I would like to request a leading star like Aishwarya Rai not to act in such films because they will be most unrealistic,"
Aaree pakee.gif Gola, if Aishwarya stopped acting in all movies that were 'unrealistic', she might as well quit Bollywood. Pssst.......... I think Gola thinks all that song and dance in remote mountains with full band-baja is 'realistic' pakee.gif pakee.gif
Posted by: rhytha Mar 19 2004, 12:23 PM
user posted image maniratnams new flick, waiting eagerly thumbup.gif tv_feliz.gif
Posted by: Krishna Mar 20 2004, 02:56 AM
Saw Agni Pankh today. A good movie, a darn good be to be honest.......however I wasn't too happy with it. This is not because I didn't like it or what they show........but because it is not what they portrayed it to be. Agni Pankh is not Top Gun - It's the story of Fighter pilots behing the enemy lines. Normally, I let things go, but Agni Pankh director really pissed me off. Why lie? if it's a movie of POWs just say so - We know what to expect, so that we can better appreciate it......n' don't feel cheated! mad.gif
Posted by: Pramodmohan Mar 26 2004, 04:45 PM The Reel Savarkar Movie Review [March 23, 2004] In the early years of the 20th century, a young Maharashtrian Brahmin from Ratnagiri goes to London to study law. Coming from a nationalist family, he is soon in contact with some of the other Indian patriots in London. The young student, Vinayak Damodar Savarkar (1883-1966), jumps into this small group of dissenters. Far away from their country, yet nobly drawn to do something for its freedom, raging at what Britain has done to India but impotent to punish her, these young men and their academician mentor, Shyamaji Krisnavarma (another newfound icon of the BJP's effort to recast history and find freedom struggle heroes with a Saffronite bent - slim pickings, unfortunately) revel in little, largely inconsequential, conspiratorial eddies (usually attempted assassination), whose purpose (unrealized) is to assuage their own egos. It is at this stage that we first encounter Savarkar in director Ved Rahi's film about his life, now doing the rounds in North America. Savarkar comes across as an intense person who is able to inspire others to commit acts of violence. In 1908, one of his acolytes, Madanlal Dhingra, shoots an English official, for which he is hanged. Gandhi condemned the act unequivocally. Savarkar's response is unclear -- he is shown disrupting a meeting of Indians to condemn Dhingra's action, but never says anything definitive to outline his philosophy. Two kinds of revolutionaries fought for India's freedom. One was of the Gandhian kind, who suffered and courted imprisonment, all peacefully. The other was of the Bhagat Singh and Bagha Jatin variety, who fought the British with arms, and had the courage to go to the gallows for his acts. Savarkar, who fit neither category, was unique. He instigated and incited others to die for his beliefs, quite happy to avoid the gallows himself. "No one, in our time, believes in any sanction greater than military power; no one believes that it is possible to overcome force except by greater force", wrote George Orwell once. While Orwell was speaking of post World War I consciousness, defining this as the central tenet of fascism, Savarkar believed in it reflexively, long before Orwell's words were written. Throughout his life he was fascinated with violence. His political career began with sending guns to India in ones and twos, packed inside hollowed out books, sending bomb-making instructions to India, gleaned from Russian Revolutionaries -- things which when our enemies do today we call 'terrorism'. It ended with the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi. Savarkar is soon arrested by the British authorities, who had also banned his book on the 1857 revolt. While being transported to India by ship, he jumps into the sea and escapes to the shore in Marseilles, France, only to be chased and caught by the British and taken to India (spending the rest of the journey in irons). After a trial in Bombay, during which he remains curiously silent (no "History will vindicate me" speech), he is banished to the Andamans (Kala Pani), the Gulag of British India. It is at this point, it would appear, that director Rahi decided to not let any more facts stand in the way of a stirring hagiography. Where do we start? Savarkar is shown as a leader of Indian prisoners in the Andamans. This is not quite how other Andaman prisoners remember it. Some have recalled that the Savarkar brothers refused to join them (other Indian prisoners) in their protests, because (in Savarkar's words), "Why should we lose our hard earned special privileges?". Contrary to the picture drawn by the film, the archival records reveal that Savarkar appealed for clemency in rather dulcet tones within a year of his reaching the Andamans. Indeed, in one of his communications, he says, "...if the government in their manifold beneficence and mercy release me, I for one cannot but be the staunchest advocate of constitutional progress and loyalty to the English government which is the foremost condition of that progress ... Moreover, my conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those misled young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide." The film does not mention the appeal. It does introduce a new element, however. Contradicting everything we've read about the freedom struggle, of how the years in jail united Hindus and Muslims (indeed, this is a pretty good rule of thumb -- those leaders, Hindus or Muslims, who spent time in British jails in the Freedom Struggle, were generally secularists; men like Jinnah and Golwalkar, who never did, were generally communalists), one the first issues Savarkar is shown raising (after first having sought permission to meet his brother), is Hindu conversions to Islam in the Andaman prison. This is news indeed. The film seeks to indicate that this is what started Savarkar along on his rabid anti-Muslim path. If so, it points to rather cloistered thinking. After a decade in the Andamans, he is released, on condition that he not leave his district of Ratnagiri, and that he not engage in political activity, conditions he accepts without demur. No one can deny Savarkar's privations in prison, but he surely wasn't the only one to undergo them, and many others suffered even more without seeking clemency. But back to the film. We next see Savarkar as a great Hindu reformer, with a scene showing him leading untouchables into a Hindu temple in the teeth of upper caste opposition. However, this seems to be a one-scene fascination, for the film shows no more involvement with the dalit movement -- indeed, the inveterate antagonism Savarkar's organizations engendered among Ambedkar and others continues till today. Whatever the film may like to pretend, Savarkar was no Jyotiba Phule (the well known Maharashtrian social reformer). No, Savarkar's preoccupation, from the time he came to Ratnagiri to the time he managed to accomplish Gandhi's assassination, was plain and simple; it was his fascination with violence. The film shows a meeting between Gandhi and Savarkar at Savarkar's home in Ratnagiri. Savarkar berates the caste system without suggesting how he would dismantle it. The film depicts Gandhi as advocating for the caste system, a half-truth at best. Gandhi's associates came from all castes and communities; Savarkar's were strictly Chitpavan Brahmins, but don't expect the film to dwell on these small details. More interesting is the brief conversation about violence. Savarkar challenges Gandhi on his advocacy of non-violence. This is an interesting argument. Savarkar's point is that Britain is such a strong power that she can only be dislodged by violence. Gandhi is shown as implying that the reason for using non-violence is because we could never muster enough arms to confront Britain. This is plain falsehood, as his approach to Chauri Chaura would show. But the film needs to decry Gandhi to show Savarkar as an equal. (A quick peep into factland -- at the time the meeting took place, Gandhi had mobilized hundreds of thousands of people, both in India and South Africa, and electrified the whole country, as Savarkar and his revolvers-tucked-into-books never would. Many charismatic leaders in India felt their place usurped by Mahatma Gandhi's advent, Jinnah and Savarkar among them. Each would take his revenge in his own way.) In Ratnagiri, Savarkar is shown as being harrassed constantly by the secret police. One wonders why, for both the Hindu Mahasabha and the Muslim League were doing exactly what the British wanted -- dividing the country on communal lines and acting as a couterweight to the national movement. In the film, Subhas Chandra Bose visits Savarkar (at the suggestion of no less a personage than Jinnah!) to seek his advice. Before Netaji arrives, Savarkar tells his aide that no one else, including the aide, should be present at the meeting. Very convenient. Since Bose has never mentioned it, we have only Savarkar's word for what took place. The movie contends that it was on Savarkar's instance that Netaji raised the Indian National Army (talk of Al Gore inventing the Internet)! The movie later says that Bose, in one of his radio broadcasts from Singapore, praised Savarkar as the only Indian leader with a vision. If so, it was different vision from Bose's own. Netaji did not distinguish at all between Hindus and Muslims in the INA. Freedom comes, and Savarkar is shown to be deeply troubled by the country's partition. Not surprisingly, the film omits the fact that it was Savarkar who propounded the Two-Nation Theory -- at least 3 years before Jinnah did. For all his anguish, what did he do to oppose partition? The film does not answer. One perversely wonders, since the Swatantrayaveer did not want partition and believed fervently in assassinations, why didn't he try to bump off Jinnah, who wanted partition instead of Gandhi, who opposed it? The tart answer is that Jinnah had bodyguards. Therein lies a kernel of truth. Savarkar, and his inheritors in the Hindutva Brigade today, are primarily raucous bullies, active against unarmed victims, mumbling conformers in the face of stronger opponents. Savarkar's life is testimony to the validity of Gandhi's admonition about hatred. Hate will morph. Savarkar's hatred of the British is palpable in the scene where he stands before the English parliament shortly after he reaches England. Soon England is left behind but the hatred stays -- first of the British, then of the Muslims, and finally, of Gandhi. The movie tells an interesting story, and is generally well cast. The best actor, incidentally, is the Irish jailor (Tom Alter). Savarkar's character is a close second, displaying an almost clinical coldness which was central to Savarkar's psychology. Savarkar' brother Babu Rao's is more human. The other characters do not register. One wishes Rahi had used Englishmen for some of the English roles to make the dialogs more realistic. The film ends with Freedom, with Savarkar enigmatically carrying two flags, one the Indian tricolor, and the other showing a Swastika. It does not deal with two vital aspects -- one, as mentioned earlier, Savarkar's indictment and near conviction (a later inquiry found more evidence which would have surely convicted him) in the Gandhi murder. The second, and equally important aspect, is his treatise on Hindutva, the bedrock of the current ruling party's philosophy in India. This would have made for an interesting, and indeed, educational viewing. The only time the movie touches upon this is when Savarkar talks to some muslims about the Khilafat movement. Gandhi's participation in, and encouragement of, the Khilafat movement was controversial at the time. Savarkar, with many others, rightly saw in it a Pan-Islamism which was at least orthogonal, if not exactly opposed, to the concept of Indian nationhood. But Gandhi saw in it an opportunity for Hindus in India to make common cause with their brothers the Muslims of India, at a time when the latter were suffering an emotional hurt. But Gandhi was not so wrong as it might seem. The same groups that are bringing Savarkar's movie to theaters in America, who get agitated by what goes on in India, could similarly be told by Americans that their interests represent a Pan-Indianism or Pan-Hinduism which is incompatible with being an American. In the end, whatever he did, Gandhi promoted friendship and the culture of non-violence. Savarkar preached hatred of minorities and fostered assassination. Nor does the film highlight Savarkar's skills as a writer or poet (except for one excruciatingly long poem shown being recited by the hero, with the Sanskrit text clashing with the English subtitle making it all the more difficult), which are said to be considerable. When visited by a police officer, he hands him a pen, saying that the pen is mightier than the sword. Apparently that cliche was only for others. Judging by his life, he applied exactly the opposite dictum to his own conduct. For all its faults, this film should be mandatory viewing for every Indian for one simple reason. So strong an indictment of VD Savarkar and what he represents would be hard to make by any critic -- the director has inadvertantly managed it. The Swatantrayaveer comes out as an egotist, a self-involved if precocious man-child who never outgrows the stage of pre-adolescent score-settling.
Posted by: Pradeep Mar 26 2004, 10:07 PM
Pramod, welcome to the forum. Interesting that you have C&P'd a review of a movie from elsewhere as your first post here (as you may have noticed, most of us want to know what the individual forumites think of a movie - if we want reviews from journos, plenty of sources for that). Nevertheless, what is YOUR opinion of a)the movie itself, if you have seen it, or b)the review of the movie. Or was it your intent to troll? No flames intended. Just curious.
Posted by: Pramodmohan Mar 27 2004, 12:57 AM
I actually posted this to Indian History forum. Could the moderator move it there please? Thanks. Pramodmohan
Posted by: Pradeep Mar 27 2004, 06:14 AM
Pradeep, I had not posted it on the movie forum. I actually posted it to Indian Politics/History because I thought ite was where it belonged. But since you ask, I do agree for the most part with the article. The movie is totally complimentary, and never even mentions Savarkar's involvement in Gandhiji's killing! Pramodmohan PS. Perhaps the moderator can crosspost it to the Indian History forum, or even move it there...
Okay. Usually when someone pastes an article with no commentary/editorial, it is assumed he agrees with the views expressed therein, your answer just confirms it. I am pasting your entire reply to me as I believe everyone should read it. You are perhaps correct that it should be in the politics/history threads, since it appears that your intent was not a review of the movie but the politics and history associated with Savarkar. Gandhi's life and times and his assasination do generate a lot of emotion on both sides of the debate. Perhaps we could start another thread on this very issue. My own belief is that our history has been so distorted that it is almost as if we have been programmed to respond in a set fashion on certain issues. BUT, again, this is my own thinking.
Posted by: Viren Mar 27 2004, 09:57 AM
My $0.02 (i) Movie reviews can be pasted here giving the due credit to the original author and the website. Personally would rather read a some good reviews recommended by a fellow IF member than go trolling along on cyberspace for one. (ii) My pet peeve has been that script writers/producers/directors of movie distorting history to, either cut corners or promote their own agenda. Let's keep that in mind when we shift the discussion to the history forum.
Posted by: Kaushal Mar 28 2004, 05:24 AM
The movie is totally complimentary, and never even mentions Savarkar's involvement in Gandhiji's killing! What involvement ? I did not know that Savarkar was involved in Gandhiji's killing. My recollection is that he was completely acquitted in the Gandhi trial. Am i wrong in believing that a person is innocent until proven guilty ?
Posted by: Krishna Mar 28 2004, 09:41 AM
I just read somewhere (!,) that Shilpa Shetty kissed a paki flag in pakistan under -good will - lovey doveyness? Well, I know one thing for sure. She just lost at least one fan........FOR LIFE! Can we ask her to just stay there for the sake of better relations with pakistan. I bet the @#$*&( there would be drool.gif
Posted by: Krishna Mar 28 2004, 10:00 AM
This is what I'm gonna do from now on, before watching any hindi movie. #1. Find out if Shilpa Shetty is in the movie or not. furious.gif #2. Not watch it if she is in it. mad.gif
Posted by: Krishna Mar 28 2004, 10:09 AM
What a w**re! We have people like these for whom our boys are laying down their lives wonder we are not that of a SuperPower we used to be, once upon a time. I can't believe someone would go to this extent for some cheap publicity.........what's next? give a bj to Mushrat for friendship sake? We need some Hitler kind of guy who would line up all these traitors and shoot 'em with just one bullet. Even an extra bullet wasted on these traitors is one bullet less to protect our boys. Really, this b!t** just messed up my Sunday morning.......... furious.gif
Posted by: rhytha Mar 28 2004, 10:33 AM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Mar 28 2004, 10:11 PM)
I just read somewhere (!,) that Shilpa Shetty kissed a paki flag in pakistan under -good will - lovey doveyness? Well, I know one thing for sure. She just lost at least one fan........FOR LIFE! Can we ask her to just stay there for the sake of better relations with pakistan. I bet the @#$*&( there would be drool.gif
tongue.gif cool it kris, anyway she is dead star
Posted by: Krishna Mar 28 2004, 11:14 AM
Sorry, sorry! I lost it a bit there...... sad.gif It's just that I have started to really dislike all these self-hating / self-destructive Indians. No respect for those dead Indians who came wrapped in the tri-color from the hills of Kashmir..........but no...........kissin' the paki flag is a must for friendship sake! rolleyes.gif PS. Once again my apologies for the foul language used. I can delete it.......but that would be I would let it stay.
Posted by: muddur Mar 30 2004, 08:38 AM
Know your traitors ... As usual reported in ToI ... Traitor #1 .... Akshay says no to anti-Pak movies,curpg-2.cms
Posted by: Viren Apr 9 2004, 07:39 AM
Has anyone in US seen My local desi store guy still hasn't been able to get this. mad.gif Verdicts on these two films that I saw in recent past.....less said the better dry.gif
Posted by: Gargi Apr 9 2004, 08:31 AM
Agnipankh Kismat
Average or bad or worse ?????
Posted by: Viren Apr 9 2004, 08:55 AM
Gargi: Both are pretty average. Agnipankh was too hyped up (think Krishan had mentioned it in a earlier post) - miles away from LOC or Border. Can we need to standardize on a rating system for this forum?
Posted by: Viren Apr 9 2004, 08:56 AM
Any TV fans of show? Yeah, yeah go ahead and have a good .... ROTFL.gif dry.gif
Posted by: Harshavardhan Apr 11 2004, 09:22 PM One of the trippiest sites I've seen. A Russian-language site devoted to screencapping Indian films. Stumbled on it while trying to find caps of "Sholay" tv_feliz.gif
Posted by: Krishna Apr 13 2004, 09:15 AM
Saw Bollywood/Hollywood a couple of days back. Good movie, a part of the stroy was picked from Julia Roberts 'Pretty Woman.' but overall, pretty good movie. Lisa Ray was ummmmm.....hmmmmmmm lookin' ohmy.gif blink.gif
Posted by: Viren Apr 13 2004, 09:28 AM
QUOTE (Krishna @ Apr 13 2004, 12:15 PM)
Saw Bollywood/Hollywood a couple of days back. Good movie, a part of the stroy was picked from Julia Roberts 'Pretty Woman.' but overall, pretty good movie.
What's the name of this movie Krishna? Have you seen Amitabh's "Aetbaar"? Will give two thumbs up Sieskel Ebert style, big B as usual is specool.gif even the newcomer John Abhram is good. Some other movies to comment on: thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif for "Mission Mumbai" - the video had a label stating "Story of Mumbai Bomb blasts". They should sued for false advertising. Had rented a a NRI kind of Indian English movie from desi store called 'Let's Talk' - had to see only the first 10 minutes to know it's a waste of time.
Posted by: Krishna Apr 13 2004, 09:41 AM
QUOTE (Viren @ Apr 13 2004, 11:28 AM)
QUOTE (Krishna @ Apr 13 2004, 12:15 PM)
Saw Bollywood/Hollywood a couple of days back. Good movie, a part of the stroy was picked from Julia Roberts 'Pretty Woman.' but overall, pretty good movie.
What's the name of this movie Krishna?
Arey Bhai, the name of the movie is: Bollywood/Hollywood user posted image Lisa Ray was ohmy.gif (did I menion that already?? blink.gif ) Aetbaar was good, but I'm really gettting sick of this psycho-guy-trying-to-get-the-gal-good-guy-terminates-him type flicks. We need some new paki-ass-kickin'-in-sci-fi-style. Watch out for a movie called Tango Charlie, its directed by the same guy who made 16th December n' Rudraksh.
Posted by: Viren Apr 13 2004, 09:47 AM
Oops..didn't know Bollywood/Hollywood was actually the name of the movie biggrin.gif
We need some new paki-ass-kickin'-in-sci-fi-style
What's Dutta or Sunny or Devgan upto these days? We really don't Agnipankh type flicks. If you prediction in Ind/Pak III test thread comes true, we can look forward to Lagaan II wink.gif
Posted by: Krishna Apr 13 2004, 09:55 AM
QUOTE (Viren @ Apr 13 2004, 11:47 AM)
What's Dutta or Sunny or Devgan upto these days? We really don't Agnipankh type flicks.
Well! The last I have heard off, or read about, here's a listy to look out for: Jo Bole So Nihaal : Sunny Paaji Tango Charlie : Devgan, Bobby Deol, Abhishek bachchan, (Sanjay Dutt & Suniel Shetty - Both sp. appearences.) Sarhaad Paar : Sanjay Dutt Deewar: Big B, Sanjay Dutt, Akhsaye Khanna Lakshya : Hrithik Roshan, Big B Just Punjaabi : Sanjay Dutt Gandhi: Sunny Paaji (Not about MKGandhi though! It's his name in the movie.) Then there is one more, Sunny Paaji and Bobby are working together in.....can't recall right now. unsure.gif Don't know much about what Dutta is upto these days, he must be pretty hurt by all the LOC-bashing that went on in the media. sad.gif mad.gif
Posted by: Krishna Apr 13 2004, 10:02 AM
BTW, I don't have anything against AgniPankh. As a matter of fact I liked the movie. What I disliked was that it was portrayed to be Top Gun whereas it was more on the lines of Behind the Enemy Lines. Now look at this guy Farhan Akhtar, he clearly says don't expect Laskhya to be an LOC / Border type war film. It's a fiction story based on a college kid becoming a soldier. With this u know what to expect, and don't feel cheated because the director has misguided you.
Posted by: Viren Apr 19 2004, 02:40 PM
Posted by: Krishna Apr 19 2004, 03:40 PM
Anyone seen Tabu *er Meenaxi? How is it?
Posted by: Sudhir Apr 21 2004, 03:18 PM Some Bollywood films have everything going for them - the best banners, talent, intentions and integrity. But still they fail. Here's a list of 10 films that deserved the sky but were stomped and razed to the ground in the history of Hindi cinema: a. "Teesri Kasam" (1966) - Director Basu Bhattacharya's first film was a masterpiece. Set in Purnea district of Bihar it was a gentle and elegiac parable about a bullock cart driver Raj Kapoor and a village dancer Waheeda Rehman. Told mostly through the two brilliant actors' interactive encounters, the wordy film had great moments of insight into the bonds that bind the downtrodden. Award-winning performances by Kapoor and Rehman and a brilliant music score by Shankar-Jaikishan, striking cinematography by Satyajit Ray's cameraman Bimal Mitra, plus the authentic locales - the film was shot on location in Bihar - made this adaptation of eminent litterateur Phanishwarnath Renu's novel a tour de force. And yet "Teesri Kasam" wiped out its producer, the lyricist Shailendra, while his songs in the film are hummed to this day. b. "Kaagaz Ke Phool" (1959) - Apparently when poet Kaifi Azmi saw the film at its first trial he point blank told director Guru Dutt it would bomb. A treatise on celluloid defeatism, "Kaagaz Ke Phool" told the semi-autobiographical story of a director who falls in love with his protégé (Waheeda Rehman), loses his family and career and dies as a junior artiste on the sets of his discovery's film. The autobiographical elements were so pronounced that the audience felt uncomfortable watching Guru Dutt achieve a creative catharsis on screen. In retrospect, "Kaagaz Ke Phool" became one of the biggest creative successes of the director's oeuvre. Today it is accepted as an epic in every sense. And the song "Waqt ne kiya kya" seems to epitomise the ephemeral glory of showbiz and life. c. "Mera Naam Joker" (1968) - Are autobiographical films doomed? Raj Kapoor's three-part magnum opus, again containing perceptible elements of the self in the presentation, was declared a thundering flop after a massive opening. In hindsight many see Raj Kapoor's "Mera Naam Joker" as his finest work ever. Going into the three crucial chapters of the protagonist's life, "Mera Naam Joker" constructed the most unusual spiral of sound and light ever. Perhaps the newness of the format really hit the audience hard. In hindsight it became one of the most viewed and discussed films. d. "Bemisaal" (1982) - The Hrishikesh Mukherjee-Amitabh Bachchan combination came up with many winning films, including "Abhimaan" and this grossly neglected film, based on a Bengali novel about an orphan who dedicates his life and energy to looking after his guardian's son. Amitabh Bachchan's performance conveyed that clenched conviction that makes him the biggest star of our times. Though "Bemisaal" was partially flawed, the Bachchan magic was in full flow. e. "Shakti" (1982) - Another unsung Bachchan classic released during the same year as "Bemisaal", the father-son conflict has never been charted out with such enchanting lucidity in any film. Between Dilip Kumar as the self-righteous law-abiding father and Bachchan as the obdurate, rebellious son, there existed a chemistry that was never again visible in any Bachchan film. Writers Salim-Javed and director Ramesh Sippy went beyond "Sholay" in search of a more intimate study of human relationships. The film was seen to be too taut for mass appeal. f. "Namkeen" (1982) - Gulzar's most lyrical film somehow failed to find the audience that it deserved. Never mind. It's his favourite from his oeuvre, and mine. The Brechtian story of three sisters and their mother whose desolate existence in a scenic wilderness was shattered by a stranger in their midst was elevated to unparalleled excellence by the performances. The film saw Sharmila Tagore in a role that Rekha walked out of, Shabana Azmi and Kiran Vairale as the other sisters and Waheeda Rehman as their senile mother. Sanjeev Kumar played the stranger. It all added up to a classic for all times. And who can forget Shabana singing "Phir se aiyo badra" in the misty mystique of Himachal Pradesh? Delicate and delicious. g. "Khamoshi: The Musical" (1996) - Sanjay Leela Bhansali says the title was his tribute to one of his favourite films - Asit Sen's Waheeda Rehman-Rajesh Khanna starrer "Khamoshi". But Bhansali's film about a normal girl with normal desires trying to cope with the over-possessiveness of her deaf-and-mute father was an emotionally shattering experience. So emotionally depleting was the film that it was rejected outright across the country. But no amount of rejection can take away the power and glory of Nana Patekar and Manisha Koirala's performances. As father and daughter they raged and protested each other's emotional tyranny. One of the most underrated films in the history of cinema. h. "Hathyar" (1989) - Though J.P. Dutta is celebrated for his war trilogy, he made one of India's best gangster films. "Hathyar" is the earliest proof of what Sanjay Dutt could do when given a chance. As the innocent in Mumbai who gets sucked into the underworld he's vulnerable, tough and heartbreaking. Dharmendra and Rishi Kapoor were also exceptional and so was the films violence-begets-violence thesis. i. "Lajja" (2001) - Raj Kumar Santoshi's film took feminist cinema into totally uncharted territory. Formatted as a picaresque journey, it presented a gallery of brave and unforgettable women, played by Manisha Koirala, Madhuri Dixit, Rekha and Mahima Chowdhary, who represent various facets of middleclass womanhood. j. "LOC" (2003) ohmy.gif ohmy.gif - The critics went at it with hammers and tongs. But what was "LOC" guilty of, apart from recreating the Kargil war realistically? The war footage, which many found repetitive, was actually a documentation of the real-life battle. Director J.P. Dutta created an epic of war and peace that is destined to get its due recognition in times to come. Just like "Kaagaz Ke Phool".
Posted by: acharya Apr 21 2004, 04:25 PM
user posted image Author Salman Rushdie, right, kisses his wife, Padma Lakshmi, during a reception at the 2004 PEN Literary Gala Tuesday, April 20, 2004 in New York. The couple was married Saturday in Manhattan. (AP Photo/Diane Bondareff)
Posted by: Viren Apr 29 2004, 03:02 PM
acharya: Please post a warning in future please ohmy.gif Meanwhile, the reason I stopped by here is:
Husain, however, is holding talks with the Muslim groups and the film is expected to be released again in May, after some cuts.
How nice of him to take into account the feelings, sentiments of one community. rocker.gif Guess when it comes to drawing nude Goddess of other community it's a free for all dry.gif I guess we won't here from any psec fighting for the poetic/creative rights of artists like MFH in regards to this movie. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Apr 29 2004, 03:08 PM
QUOTE (Viren @ Apr 30 2004, 03:32 AM)
acharya: Please post a warning in future please ohmy.gif
oh dear... why oh why ... omg.gif
Posted by: Viren Apr 29 2004, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (rajesh_g @ Apr 29 2004, 06:08 PM)
QUOTE (Viren @ Apr 30 2004, 03:32 AM)
acharya: Please post a warning in future please ohmy.gif
oh dear... why oh why ... omg.gif
We have four year olds around on this forum biggrin.gif
Posted by: varava Apr 30 2004, 08:57 AM
As expected, the secular press is dying to make the movie a big hit since the movie calls for peace with Pakistan even though we continue to see terror killings in J&K and continued support of Musharaaf to these terrorists. Anytime Bollywood releases a movie showing Pakistan in true colors, it was instantly declared a flop by the media even though people support such movies. Please spread the word in boycotting the movie and also boycott that bast*** Shah Rukh Khan who was seen taking Pakistani side lately, though discreetly.,001100030009.htm
Posted by: Krishna Apr 30 2004, 10:27 PM
Can anyone confirm what's written on that locket? user posted image
Posted by: Mudy Apr 30 2004, 10:32 PM
Posted by: Mudy May 2 2004, 06:21 PM
Ashok Pandit set to release `Sheen` Saturday, 01 May , 2004, 10:26 New Delhi: Filmmaker Ashok Pandit is all set to release his latest film "Sheen", a mammoth 400 million rupees venture on the plight of the displaced Hindus in Kashmir. "Sheen" is the story of thousands of Hindus who had to flee Kashmir after a bloody revolt against Indian rule broke out in 1989. The film explores the issue through the eyes of the Kashmiri youth, who get caught in the violence and the course of their lives. According to the National Human Rights Commission, about 300,000 Kashmiri Hindus or Pandits have been forced to leave Kashmir because of the separatist rebellion roiling the region. Ashok Pandit, a member of the Panun Kashmir organisation, signed model-turned-actress Sheen for the lead role of the film, alongwith Tarun Arora and television star Anup Soni. Pandit said he wanted to use cinema as a medium to open people's eyes to terrorism. "The best way to answer terrorism of any kind would be through my profession, to present a movie and through it tell the world about the tragedy. Even after 56 years of independence our people are relegated to the status of refugees in our own country," Pandit said at a news conference in New Delhi. Pandit who has shot 80 percent of his film in Gulmarg, Tangmarg and Baramulla districts of the valley is one of the few Bollywood film makers who have dared to get back to Kashmir, dubbed as paradise on earth or Switzerland of the East. Generations of Indians grew up watching their favourite stars singing and dancing in meadows, cavorting in the Himalayan snows or snuggling in `shikaras'. Anup Soni, lead actor of the film said it was high time people gave up their complacency to the long-standing dispute. "This situation has been dragging for long time, we have become immune to it. People know that terrorism is going on in Kashmir, but none of us know the reasons behind it. This movie has helped me know about them," he said. "Sheen" is expected to hit theatres across the country anytime in June. ANI
Posted by: Viren May 2 2004, 08:24 PM
Amitabh's "Bhagban" seems to be copy of some Rajesh Khanna movie - can't place the name. Movie watchable and Big B as usual specool.gif
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla May 3 2004, 04:10 AM
QUOTE (Viren @ May 3 2004, 08:54 AM)
Amitabh's "Bhagban" seems to be copy of some Rajesh Khanna movie - can't place the name. Movie watchable and Big B as usual specool.gif
That would be Avtaar. Saw Main hoon na today.I didnt like the movie but my wife found it OK.The film doesnt have anything that you have not seen before .The highlight of the movie is its songs which are pleasant on ears with smart lyrics to support and very well choreographed.The film can be described as a Manmohan Desai film with a Karan Johar touch.
Posted by: Krishna May 3 2004, 06:58 PM
N' what's the deal with all this Indo-porki bhai-chara in MHN? N' did Sunil Shetty (Raghavan) play a terrorist in the movie?
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla May 4 2004, 05:01 AM
QUOTE (Krishna @ May 4 2004, 07:28 AM)
N' what's the deal with all this Indo-porki bhai-chara in MHN? N' did Sunil Shetty (Raghavan) play a terrorist in the movie?
Yeah Kabir Bedi is chief of Indian army who plans on releasing 50 Paki prisioners.Sunil Shetty is an ex army commondo who was court martialed for killing some pakis during interrogation.He forms his own army and is against the peace move and threatens to harm general's daughter.Shahrukh is send out to protect her. In summary a load of bull crap.No apparent logic and far away reality.
Posted by: Krishna May 4 2004, 03:13 PM
What else can you expect from the ch**t!y@ SRK? furious.gif Khata India ka, aur goon gata kahi aur ka! furious.gif Disgusting man, disgusting! furious.gif
Posted by: Krishna May 7 2004, 01:22 PM
Posted by: Krishna May 7 2004, 01:40 PM
Akram rejects Hindi film offer:
An effort to have Pakistan bowling great Wasim Akram sing and dance in a Bollywood film has fallen through after he declined to take up an offer from top director Mahesh Bhatt.................
Does that name ring a bell? rolleyes.gif user posted image<-Bhatt
Posted by: Viren May 9 2004, 08:45 PM
Masti - a time pass movie. A few scenes are really laugh.gif Ajay D as usual makes his entry taking a swipe at TSP comparing their neeyat or intentions with that of a dog's tail - can't be ever straightened rock.gif though I resent at insulting mutts tail thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g May 11 2004, 11:01 PM
Sorry to report that I went to see Main-Hoon-Naa. Supreme-HQ wont hear a word. argue.gif And the verdict ? Supreme-HQ slept thru the entire movie.. ROTFL.gif The saving grace of the movie is Sushmita Sen lmaosmiley.gif omg.gif
Posted by: Krishna May 11 2004, 11:12 PM
For the record, I'll not watch a SRK / Akshay / Urmila / Shilpa Shetty movie in my life ever again! BTW. Did Suniel Shetty kicked SRK's butt or what?
Posted by: Krishna May 11 2004, 11:26 PM
Right now what we need is a political movie that shows the evil design of pakis under the disguise of people-2-people contacts and peace-BS. No action-packed flick on the lines of Border, Gadar, Indian, The Hero, Zameen, 16th December or LOC but a cold-blood-political drama on the lines of HollyWood flick Thirteen Days, in which India looses to paki lies. It'll do what all the above-mentioned movies together couldn't do. From BoxOffice POV it's gonna be a big hit among the pakis, BDees and the Indian mullahs!!
Posted by: Mudy May 12 2004, 07:25 AM
After Devdas, I haven't seen any new Hindi movie. Can't see Hindi movies anymore. My favorite are old movies. I want to see LOC but Devdas is not yet out of my system. biggrin.gif
Posted by: Viren May 12 2004, 10:52 AM
Now Salman has made a request to the Bandra court to return his car. The reason, according to his counsel, is that the car has been "rotting" in police custody, even as the case continues to drag on.
Instead of being grateful that he's not rotting in custody, he has a cheek to complain about his SUV in custody.
Posted by: rajesh_g May 12 2004, 02:44 PM
OK... OK... I m sorry.. Man what a tough crowd.. blink.gif Yes Krishna, Sunil Shetty beats the crap out of SRK - one of the stunt is pretty cool he kicks SRK -> SRK is flat&horizontal in the air in slow-motion which Sunil bhai comes around in normal motion (not slow) cracks his wrist or something and delivers a big elbow in his groin taking SRK speedily to the ground .. Some Matrix style stunts.. In one other scene SRK dodges Satishbhai Shah's saliva like Neo dodges bullets in Matrix. Best part of movie ? Sushmita Sen .. Did I mention this ?????? whistle.gif whistle.gif Worst part of the movie ? SRK says the people who killed Sunil Shetty's kid were terrorists and not Pakis.. Flush.gif thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
Posted by: Krishna May 12 2004, 08:50 PM
QUOTE (rajesh_g @ May 12 2004, 04:44 PM)
OK... OK... I m sorry.. Man what a tough crowd.. blink.gif
Rajesh, Please don't take it personally. It's just that I'm trying to discourage people from encouraging these taritors. These treachorous leeches needs to be boycotted, no ifs n' buts. Only then they would understand that they have 'to pay for it.'
Posted by: Krishna May 19 2004, 11:44 PM
Watched the movie SHEEN today, starring Raj Babbar who plays a Kashmiri Pandit. This movie lays it out the way it is i.e. how the Kashmiri Pandits were forced to leave the valley at gun point. Please watch the movie and encourage others to do the same.
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla May 21 2004, 04:17 PM
Anybody seen Yuva yet ?
Posted by: Krishna May 21 2004, 07:23 PM
Anybody seen Yuva yet ?
Arey Bhaiyya, Puch rahe ho yah agya le rahe ho? b_cowboy.gif b_evil.gif b_woot.gif
Posted by: sridhar k May 21 2004, 09:54 PM
Saw Agni Pankh and LOC on DVD. Krishna has been right on the button with the reviews. LOC was Great even though i saw only the second half. My first DVD was unreadable. Go JP Dutta go. Loved the dialogues! Battle scenes were terrific. Loved the INSAS india.gif . Bofors. As Krishna said, where was IAF? Our bollywood heroes looked like real soldiers. Agni Pankh>> Well, story of behind enemy lines, with characters of Top gun thrown around. The film was average, with loose script. But should appreciate that somebody makes a movie with a IAF background. Great thing was the footage of the birds. Mig21 and Rambhas thumbup.gif . They could have done better.Wish JP Dutta made Agni Pankh. Krishna, I will target Sheen next.
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla May 22 2004, 04:31 AM
QUOTE (Krishna @ May 22 2004, 07:53 AM)
Anybody seen Yuva yet ?
Arey Bhaiyya, Puch rahe ho yah agya le rahe ho? b_cowboy.gif b_evil.gif b_woot.gif
Sarkar, poochane ki himakat kar di. maafi ki darkaar hai.
Posted by: Krishna May 26 2004, 01:39 PM
Now Sheen Director Ashok Pandit is getting all sorts of threatening calls because he exposed the paki sponsored terrorists! furious.gif Terrorists threatening me: 'Sheen' director Ashok Pandit Director Ashok Pandit says he has been receiving threatening calls from terrorists after the release of his film "Sheen" on the plight of Kashmiri Pandits. "The movie has raised a lot of eyebrows. I have been getting threatening calls for making this film," Pandit told IANS. "My family, especially my wife, has got used to getting such calls, so much so that the day when we don't receive a call we feel a bit odd," Pandit added. ************************ Sheen maker gets threatening calls Manjulaa Negi New Delhi, May 25,00110003.htm Ashok Pandit's debut feature Sheen is making news again, only this time for less celebratory reasons than before. The film may not have collected much at the box-office, but it certainly has caught the eyes of the terrorists in the Valley. Allegedly, they have been threatening Pandit with dire consequences for having exposed them frame-by-frame in his film. Pandit, for his part, remains unfazed and laughs it off, "We feel our day has lost out on something if my wife and I don't get a call or two from them. They've become part of our routine." The feeling of rootlessness and of being a refugee in one's own country is an experience that Pandit can well describe - for he has been through it, back in 1990 when the mass exodus took place under terrorist threat. "I did feel very drained out as I went back to the past while shooting. Reliving the entire trauma was taxing but that's a small price to pay for bringing out the truth of our lives." (But Sheen has had the desired impact, with its 'real'ity bites.) Our purpose was to create awareness. Nobody was talking about the issue - about Kashmiri pandits and their plight. The fact that terrorists feel exposed after the film and are responding to it means that there is truth in what the film shows. Their response itself has meant that they're feeling the pinch somewhere. They cannot deny what has happened in the Valley - each frame is based on facts."
Posted by: rajesh_g May 26 2004, 02:44 PM
Watched Sheen last week. I had mixed feelings about it. The story could have been a lot better. Story jumps directly from 1989 to 2000 without warning. The hero who was captured by an area commander in 89 somehow runs away after (?) 2000, etc. Altho Pandit very rightly wants to show the plight of pandits the movie didnt do a good enough job towards it. The repeated reference to 'militants' rather then plain and simple "terrorist pigs" spoils the fun. Very oddly the movie starts with acknowledging Mahesh Bhatt. Cant figure that out.. Dont remember the exact line but even in the end they show some dorky politically correct line. Wish someone more competent at making movies takes another shot at making a movie on Kashmiri Pandits.
Posted by: Krishna May 27 2004, 04:56 PM
Rajesh, There are definitely some problems with the story/script of the movie, but the heart pf the director is at the right place. I wish Gadar director Anil Sharma or VVChopra had handled this story.
Posted by: Krishna May 27 2004, 05:01 PM
For the time being, something to munch on....for the IF jingos: *ing Shetty, Dutt, Devgan n' Deol Jr. The director is Mani (16th December, Rudraksh) Shankar. But for some reason it looks p-sec to me. rolleyes.gif
Posted by: Rajita Rajvasishth May 27 2004, 05:59 PM
QUOTE (Krishna @ May 28 2004, 05:31 AM)
The director is Mani (16th December, Rudraksh) Shankar. But for some reason it looks p-sec to me. rolleyes.gif
Is'nt Mani Ratanm also PSec though he tries to present his stuff as patriotism? .... Talking of Psecs in movies there was an interview of Shankar and Gingger (composers of Indian origin) who composed for the Passion of Mel Gibson. I always thought they were Hindus but they were all praise for Jesu vaghaira vaghaira. Are they really Hindus?
Posted by: Rajita Rajvasishth May 27 2004, 06:02 PM
[Please watch the movie and encourage others to do the same.
Pretty Psec and not really fair to the situation in Kashmir. Hindus should ask how many of their religious traditions they owe to Kashmir for their preservation and how many are now practiced in Kashmir before falling to all this Kashmiriyat nonsense.
Posted by: muddur May 28 2004, 11:04 PM
QUOTE (Krishna @ May 20 2004, 12:14 PM)
Watched the movie SHEEN today, starring Raj Babbar who plays a Kashmiri Pandit. This movie lays it out the way it is i.e. how the Kashmiri Pandits were forced to leave the valley at gun point. Please watch the movie and encourage others to do the same.
I watched it last weekend. Regardless od some flaws, the movie, the theme was great. More and more Secular people should watch it. In the end at Geneva convention, what Raj Babbar says makes a lot of sense. Our politicians really do weigh their support to the Pundits in terms of VOTES !!! The so called pseudo secularists should hate this movie for exposing the truth. While the story is about the Pundits of the valley, most part of hindu oppression using the secular terminology applies to the rest of the part of India as well. One thing is certain. Our politicians should be ashamed of themselves. They work based on their vote bank, not by human values. pakis definitely will not like the movie.
Posted by: Krishna Jun 4 2004, 01:43 AM
Jo Bole So Nihaaal! user posted image user posted image cheers.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Jun 7 2004, 01:02 PM
Watched "Dil Pardesi Ho Gaya". Made by Saawan Kumar. Some highlights.. - Masala love story with paki angle. - it is shown that one mulla type makes decisions and are followed by army types. - army types in touch with and coordinate jehadi camps. - usual mazhab nahin sikhataa, aapas main bair rakhnaa dialogs - some solid blows to paki H&D. one scene in which the hero is shown inflitrating pak and getting caught, the mulla suspects he is traitor and asks some jehadi chamcha to "check whether hero is muslim or not" blink.gif - jehadi chamcha takes hero to corner - hero shown with his back to camera - chamcha opens hero's pajama - drops down to his knees and then his face is hidden - emerges and says - yes yes he is muslim - then hero (who is born muslim but raised by evil hindus) jubiliantly delivers a lecture - "is this what determines a true muslim ? if that is the case then everybody is born a hindu first and some fanatics turn a hindu into muslim" - something like that. It was hilarious. ROTFL.gif pakee.gif - one touching scene in end - heroine's army dad is about to shoot hero/heroine - asks for last wish - heroine says wanna get married to hero while hero demands jana-gana-mana be played india.gif
Posted by: Krishna Jun 8 2004, 05:39 PM
Folks, saw Yuva a couple of days back. A really good movie about the youth, and what they can do if they really want to change the system. The movie may have gotten some bad reviews, bad this, bad that and blah blah blah but most of the folks here gonna like it----take it from me. I also liked mani Ratnam's style of showing one incident from 3 different perspectives---clearly inspired from the likes of Quentin Terentino, but applied well in the hindi film perspective. It's after a long time that i liked a Hindi movie so much, a well made movie with a good story and lots of style. Go watch it when you get a chance!
Posted by: Mudy Jun 8 2004, 05:42 PM
Starring ?????
Posted by: Krishna Jun 8 2004, 05:46 PM
NYT review: Portraits From the Class Struggle in Modern India By DAVE KEHR Published: May 21, 2004 Mani Ratnam's "Yuva," a Bollywood feature that opens today nationwide, has a sharp political edge that is rare in Hindi-language films, celebrated as they are for their wildly exuberant production numbers and sugary love stories. These elements are certainly present in "Yuva," which features a bouncy score by India's leading pop composer, A R Rahman (whose music is also the basis of the current Broadway musical "Bombay Dreams"), and no fewer than three star-crossed couples. Their romantic ups-and-downs are patiently chronicled over the course of the film's 160 minutes. But Mr. Ratnam, a prolific filmmaker who usually works in the Tamil-language cinema of southern India rather than the Hindi cinema centered in Mumbai (the former Bombay), uses the Bollywood conventions to get at a social reality. The title translates as "Youth," and Mr. Ratnam means to provide a generational portrait through his three male protagonists, each drawn from a different stratum of Indian society in contemporary Calcutta. The middle-class Michael (Ajay Devgan) is a brilliant student who turns down an opportunity to study in America to lead a local revolt against a corrupt establishment politician played by Om Puri, in a role refreshingly removed from the cuddly patriarchs he has played in English-language films like "East Is East." The upper-class Arjun (Vivek Oberoi) is a charming wastrel looking forward to emigrating to America, whose life is transformed when he falls under Michael's reformist spell. The most interesting character is Lallan (played, in a simmering, charismatic performance, by Abhishek Bachchan), a street thug who becomes an enforcer for the party in power. Left out of India's economic miracle, he is an unpredictable, violent man who believes in self-preservation above all, in stark and pointed contrast to his coddled counterparts. Mr. Ratnam is a dynamic, natural filmmaker who happily uses every device at his disposal, from rapid-fire MTV editing to sped-up action scenes that recall silent serials, to keep his lengthy film moving at a brisk pace. The film flags only when Mr. Ratnam must turn his attention to the soggy romantic subplots, in which each of the men must deal with the demands for domesticity made by their adoring but subtly domineering female companions. YUVA Written and directed by Mani Ratnam; in Hindi, with English subtitles; director of photography, Ravi K. Chandran; edited by Sreekar Prasad; music by AR Rahman, lyrics by Mehboob; choreography, Brinda and Shanthi; produced by Mr. Ratnam and G. Srinivasan; released by Net Effect Media. At the Loews State Theater, 1540 Broadway at 45th Street, Manhattan. Running time: 160 minutes. This film is not rated. WITH: Ajay Devgan (Michael), Vivek Oberoi (Arjun), Abhishek Bachchan (Lallan) and Om Puri (corrupt politician).
Posted by: rajesh_g Jun 8 2004, 06:14 PM
The words "class struggle" raise alarm bells .. ohmy.gif
Posted by: muddur Jun 13 2004, 11:37 AM
How does it feel to be an Indian Muslim?
Posted by: Bhootnath Jun 14 2004, 12:49 AM
Anybody saw/remember "Do Aankhain Barah Haath" , "Diya aur Tufaan" smile.gif)
Posted by: Bhootnath Jun 14 2004, 03:40 AM
>> How does it feel to be an Indian Muslim? >> How does it feel , may be like this. "You can have you cake & eat it too" ------------------------------------------------- My last good Hindi movie was "Satya" , where is Bhikhu Mahatre ?? Last Hindi Movie I actually saw was "Devdas" , wish I had carried a bottle myself, whole movie had a Ajit Joke affect on me .... sound didnt let me sleep and movie didnt let my eyes open. What guys nobody loves Aakrosh, Shool, Pratighat, Drohkaal... Yuva came & went, nobody noticed it in India. Hindi movie scene reminds me of "Lajpat Rai Market" opposite Lal Kilaa ( Red Fort -Delhi ) as in 5th rate stuff , with ghastly looking getup .. but still selling ... And any Punjabi movie watchers here ...( Indian and not Paki ) I think last good movie was "Udikaan" ..
Posted by: kautilya Jun 14 2004, 03:47 AM
QUOTE (Bhootnath @ Jun 14 2004, 04:10 PM)
And any Punjabi movie watchers here ...( Indian and not Paki ) I think last good movie was "Udikaan" ..
I haven't seen this. I will check this out. By the way if you are a punjabi you will love this -- P.S. Warning: This link has audio with very foul language in Punjabi, but will have you in splits. No video, so if you have headphones, you may listen to it anywhere.
Posted by: Bhootnath Jun 14 2004, 06:07 AM
>> I haven't seen this. Mitra it a movie of early 80's .. >> I will check this out. By the way if you are a punjabi you will love this -- I am INTERNET DALIT ... no money for for long dialup connections .. btw.. I was to be "ragged" in my first year by Tamil ( oops Tamizh ) seniors, only condition of no ragging was I shld make them happy with Punjabi fame abuses .. and amen .. I was only ragged for precisely 1 minutes in my lifetime. so I guess I know what there smile.gif)
Posted by: Viren Jun 14 2004, 08:25 AM
QUOTE (muddur @ May 29 2004, 02:04 AM)
pakis definitely will not like the movie.
They showed a kid stomping a Paki flag whistle.gif
Posted by: Krishna Jun 14 2004, 02:01 PM
Anybody watched Dev yet? I heard it's made with the Gujarat riots as the backdrop.
Posted by: kautilya Jun 14 2004, 02:12 PM
QUOTE (Bhootnath @ Jun 14 2004, 06:37 PM)
>> I haven't seen this. Mitra it a movie of early 80's .. >> I will check this out. By the way if you are a punjabi you will love this -- I am INTERNET DALIT ... no money for for long dialup connections .. btw.. I was to be "ragged" in my first year by Tamil ( oops Tamizh ) seniors, only condition of no ragging was I shld make them happy with Punjabi fame abuses .. and amen .. I was only ragged for precisely 1 minutes in my lifetime. so I guess I know what there smile.gif)
As a Punjabi myself, I know that it is easy to get into a non-stop flow of gaalis. But, this guy is a class apart in the way he takes out his frustrations on the cellphone company. He needs an oscar award for this one....
Posted by: Krishna Jun 14 2004, 03:10 PM
Folks, I have a lot of hopes for Lakshya. Lets see if Farhan Akhtar can stand up to it. From what I'm hearing about Lakshya, first half of the movie is about the boy Hrithik plays. N' the second half about military operations (background Kargil) where our main character becomes a man. Let's see............. PS. Pakis definitely not gonna like it........considering the kissie-wissie goin on between bollywood n' lotastan!
Posted by: rajesh_g Jun 14 2004, 06:16 PM
Visited grand canyon this weekend. As part of the usual desi grand canyon package watched the movie at the IMAX theater. In general it was a great movie with gr8 photography and music and effects and all. One thing was really odd though. In the movie they show some red indians (of one tribe) were basically cannibal types and raided other tribes ravaging wimmen/children etc. Has anybody else seen this movie ? What was the significance of this in the movie ? Or am I just reading too much into this ?
Posted by: Divya Jun 17 2004, 12:24 PM
i recently watched a film called "dhoop." its a good film. and because it presents all the greys it hasnt got any support from the army, media or people. they like to live in a bubble where everything is white and black. its was so powerful to see Mr. Nayyar (capt. Anuj's father) fighting the system to get the compensation that he was forced to take to begin with. If you contrast it with Vikram Batra's family, its even more amazing. Because Batra' family exploited the dead guy to the extreme. His brother "exploited" women asking for sympathy in the name of dead brother, while his parents went of bride shopping asking for dowry in the dead guy's name. Even when a bank cashier in Mohali expressed her gratitutde to the dead soldier's twin brother he exploded that he didnt want any gratitude or respect. Rather he wanted at least a petrol pump that too because Anuj's family got one! there is another example- a soldier who lost a limb in kargil war, returned to his village in bihar. the govt gave him agricultural land. within two months of getting it his relatives killed him for the land. the irnoy is that i dont even remember this soldier's name. simply because no one tried to make a film/news report/documentary out of it. it wasnt saleable! It would be remarkable to make a film on these different families, but then, I guess in India we like to see things and black and white, missing all other hues.
Posted by: Krishna Jun 17 2004, 08:01 PM
Listen to Bachchan speaking about his upcoming movie Deewar, about Indian POWs in LotaLand. Notice the p-sec reporter b!tch!n' about 'what's the need for makin a film like this in this enviornment?' mad.gif Low speed: High Speed:
Posted by: Mudy Jun 17 2004, 08:40 PM
Notice the p-sec reporter b!tch!n' about 'what's the need for makin a film like this in this enviornment
Pakis are still killing Indian why these DDM don't get it.
Posted by: Krishna Jun 17 2004, 10:34 PM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Jun 17 2004, 10:40 PM)
Notice the p-sec reporter b!tch!n' about 'what's the need for makin a film like this in this enviornment
Pakis are still killing Indian why these DDM don't get it.
Amitabh gave a similar answer, 'Why are guys looking at the movies. There are other things that should stop to.' He wasn't explicit but the message was clear. N' I like that.
Posted by: Krishna Jun 17 2004, 10:36 PM
Another POW flick, n' what the soldiers family has to go through. user posted image
Posted by: Mudy Jun 17 2004, 10:43 PM
AB gave good answers, atleast he is still sane.
Posted by: Krishna Jun 17 2004, 10:49 PM
QUOTE (Mudy @ Jun 18 2004, 12:43 AM)
AB gave good answers, atleast he is still sane.
If the pakis are listening, the icing was at the end. "Ek lakir hain dono mulko ko bich mein.........humey ees lakir ko hata dena chahiye." I don't like it.......but I do! biggrin.gif
Posted by: Bhootnath Jun 18 2004, 10:54 AM
> Folks, I have a lot of hopes for Lakshya In an interview to Zee , the interviewer used the phrase "war movie" for Laksya, Javed Akhatr said "no its not a war movie , its a movie abt a person who's purposeless and found purpose" then went to say its aby life abt army ppl.. yadaa yadda .. I had gone to J&K durng that period and went to hospitals ...etc etc "collar-up stuff". Name of program was titled "Bollywood War something" smile.gif BTW according to channel Movie has recieved tepid response..
Posted by: sridhar k Jun 18 2004, 08:17 PM
Posted by: Kumar Jun 19 2004, 12:07 AM
I purchased LOC on a DVD. That was the best $20.00 I ever spent. Some of the scenes from the movie have gotten burnt into my brain. The last attack of 1/11 GR lead by Lt. Manoj Pandey and Bhim Bahadur will always be with me. I would have dismissed those scenes if it were not a true story. Their bravery was amazing. The attack sequence in which Lt. Pandey approaches the bunker during attack on Khalubar was masterpiece of direction and acting. Another scene that got burned on my brain is. When Cpt. Vikram Batra came to rescue Nagappa and his men. After Cpt. was done rescuing, he lifted the corpse of a dead Pakistani and approached the machine gun bunker taking cover behind the dead corpse. He cleared that bunker, shooting those mother f****r Pakistanis. Amazing display of bravery. Another scene that I cannot seem to forget is Lt. Anuj Niar’s last charge. Once again amazing display of bravery. Also, Major Rajesh Singh Adhikari’s solitary charge towards machine gun bunker was once again amazing. Unbelievable. Grenedier Yogender Singh Yadav took 15 bullets and finished all the Pakistani mother f****rs and survived. Rifleman Sanjay Kumar grabbed the barrels of two machine guns with his hands and pulled them off from the hands of Pakistanis as they were firing it. Can you believe it? Truth is indeed stranger than fiction. I want to thank J.P. Dutta for his honesty. He stuck to the truth. Although he could have turned it into a money making gimmick but that would have been a betrayal to the souls of Lt Pandey, Cpt Batra, Lt. Niar, Cpt. Thapar, Havaldar Bhim Bahadur and so on. Do you think a joker like Sharuh Khan could have played the role of Lt. Manoj Pandey? J.P. Dutta did a brilliant job in picking the right cast. Ajay Devgan did a superb job in depicting a tough ice-man – Lt. Pandey. Sunil Shetty was outstanding. Akshaye Khanna did excellent job as Cpt Balwan. Abhishek Bachchan did a superb job as joking loving man (Cpt Batra) who showed the nerve of steel when Pakistani dogs needed to be put to sleep. Now all we need is one more man with the nerves of steel, who could silence the DDM swines and we will be a happy healthy country. biggrin.gif God bless those brothers who gave up their today in the mountains of Kargil for the tomorrow of ungrateful swines like Purefool Bidwai and Arundhoti Roy.
Posted by: siddhartha_shukla Jun 19 2004, 06:08 AM
Just did a google on "Lakshya review" and read the first five reviews they all seem to agree that its a good,cool,different movie. But If you make a movie which shows pukis in bad light rest assured their agents in India will try their best to discredit the attempt.Remember LOC. The usual suspect Parul Gupta of Tabloid of Islamabad thinks that Farhan misses the target because he dared to show patriotic Indian soldiers,an Indian soldier saying that he is Indian first and muslim later. Jai ho Jai ho Aisi sati ki jai ho
At 18,000 feet, overtly patriotic soldiers go for a battle lip syncing, dancing, back slapping. Among them are a Sikh and a Muslim, who you know will die before the end. But before he succumbs, the Muslim gets to tell the Pakistanis, “I am an Indian first, a Muslim later.”
Posted by: rajesh_g Jun 19 2004, 05:48 PM
Just watched Lakshya. Awesome movie. Great acting by Hrithik and even better by supporting cast. specool.gif Parul Gupta of TOI -> go get laid f*(k.gif
Posted by: Bhootnath Jun 19 2004, 11:36 PM
> Awesome movie. Great acting by Hrithik and even better by supporting cast. specool.gif Hmm I think this is NRI thing talking , even Aaj-Tak Channel says it is doing not exactly good in India.
Posted by: Krishna Jun 19 2004, 11:50 PM
Bhoot, Did you forget what the media said after LOC released? Make this a point to remember before you watch any movie: If the movie is about India-TSP, and the media dislikes it--IT'S A MUST-WATCH FLICK.
Posted by: Krishna Jun 20 2004, 01:08 AM
Rajesh, what did the soldiers say when Preity asks, "Why can't we have peace, why we need war n' stuff........................." Just curious!! unsure.gif
Posted by: rajesh_g Jun 20 2004, 01:22 AM
Krishna, Watch it man.. tongue.gif An officer who has just lost his best buddy gets really angry and screams .. "shut up, just shut up - jis jageh per yeh log baithe hain vo hindustan ki hai - kyaa hum gaye hain unkee zameen per ?" Its a cool dialogue and a few sentences long - dont remember the whole thing but it shuts up Zinta (she looks old). Although later they show another dorky/softy dialogue between Om Puri and Hrithik. Uper vale ne ek hee dhartee banai aur insaan ne use baant liyaa - yeh to achchaa hai chand dhartee per nahin hai nahin to uske bhee tukde ker lete yeh log. Some weird stuff like that.. rolleyes.gif Bhootnath, the only downside is the movie gets slow at times - but my verdict is still thumbup.gif not just for war scenes but its a nice coming of age story - some of the scenes reminded me of myself. I tell you man, Hrithik can now act - he has grown up. Bottomline dont expect Sholay or Saving Private Ryan but if you wanna see good Bollywood movie this is specool.gif

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